Not right now (since this would still require a power supply too) but I do have lots more stuff coming in this field but it's going in phases kind of. In the end I'd love to have a QuinLED-Diff-Power Receiver-Nano or something like that which would receive data+power and convert it to 5v/12v in a very small form factor and then that could be waterproofed. It would make deploying small things around the house/yard very easy! But those are future plans for now, everything needs to come out in a certain order to make sense. :)
Thanks for improving and making them compatible with everything I am already using . You are the best vendor for these kind of LED boards . Long time user of QuinLED .
Question, I have a roll of CAT-6 cable and some connectors. I am going to make my own length for what I need. The only thing is the cat 6 RJ- 45 connectors won't go in all the way on the new Diff boards that came today. Is there different sizes? They are feed through. Thanks Quin @@IntermitTech
And that's just the longest I was able to test (around 600m with couple blocks in between actually) during the livestreams! I have no clue how far it will actually reach because I keep running out of cable. 😅🤣
Thank you for what you do for this community, this diff solo boards and the other two diff boards are definitely going to change the way we as a community plan our projects. It will only make things easier and that’s a great thing!
And that's exactly what I'm trying to do, give you options on how to do things easier. I'm all for the DIY approach but if I can simply things for people who don't have the time to do it fully DIY, I will certainly try!
ohhhh.. super excited about the concept for a power delivery over cat5 as well.. house LED's will get a lot simpler when i just have to run multiple Cat5 lines out to the eves, and I can put the controller and power box in the basement instead of the side of the house.
Excellent idea, coming from an industrial environment, this technique is common. Thanks for bringing it to the hands of enthusiast and pro communities.
Oh yes, RS485 or differential signaling is already a quite old (and often used technique) fully agree! I just tried to design it into a form factor that's easier to use and you don't have to think about it so much to use it. :)
Thanks for always looking for ways to improve leds usage! Ever consider being able to have a photo preview feature, so you can see what the leds can actually look like on a home or building 🤔? Just a thought, since many use Quinled & WLED on business instead.
My order is placed for two diff-solo’s so far. This will work great for my new house being built. If we could have one board with multiple ports that would be great. But you do amazing work. Keep it up.
this is fantastic and what a gerat additional to your line. Now I can install anywhere for anyone at anytime......thanks made installation easier...can't wait till the other designs are out
Yes, getting a product actually made, documentented and then for sale takes quite some period. Happy to hear you were there for the livestreams, I love doing those and taking you guys along. Then you also already know a bit of what's coming. ;)
Absolutely the best quality, and I keep finding more reasons to buy ever more Quinled products. I have been waiting for this one so eagerly, and immediately put in an order for 4. I just had to gulp hard when I saw the cost for delivery to Europe. I am sure I would buy 50% more product if the shipping was not so expensive.
Yes, I'm continuously working on getting shipping cheaper for us EU people. First step was having full IOSS integration now for all payment methods and all shipping methods, no more nasty bill after receiving everything. Now getting shipping down somehow!
That's a great idea. I've been using sender/receivers for VGA and HDMI for years and they are great, hadn't thought about the idea for running LED setups in a similar way.
This is great. I'm definitely looking forward to using the diffpower over my patch panel into each room. Keeping power supplies etc in one central location for multiple strips.
Very very cool! Could have used this in my existing setup to make things much simpler. Interested to know how much power you can push over the "power diff" version. Will be staying tuned to find out
I make a living out of installing lights in nightclubs, venues etc. Ive used dig-uno etc for a long time and had no probs with it. The solution at hand here is a blessing coming. So many times have i run into signal length issues. With this product here i will solve many challenges and on the long run, save money. Question: When running up to 100m length between, how is the lagging?
Whats the max length data can go, without data loss? This is awesome. Is there any chance a 36v or 48v will be made? For the next versions, will they be able to be used for data and power injection?
Awesome product! I’m still waiting for you to start manufacturing your own line of led strips to fill the gaps in the market. Think all in 1 WLED strip with analog quality, high cri, warm and cool white in 5, 12, and 24v. Then you would need to design a Anadig-Octa board to handle your own led strips.
For a while I've been looking at putting permanent Christmas lights on the exterior of my house. Would the future power-diff be an option for that? It seems like they would be hard to hide and perhaps pretty susceptible to moisture.
Yes but also yes. There will be a receiver component to them which will need weather shielding and depending on the version of the receiver they can take up some space because of the buck converter that's attached. So it really depends in that sense.
Just getting into this and I’d like to run some LED’s near the ceiling. I’ll have to run an extension cable 14ft through a wall between the LED strip WS2815 and controller. Can the data make it this far without issue? Sounds like the PowerDiff board will definitely solve my problem but wondering if I could also go with a DigUno (when it’s back in stock)???
As I mention in the video, up to 5m/16ft and a QuinLED Dig board you should be fine without the Diff option. But you do have to calculate your power wires too, depending on amount of LEDs and such.
@@IntermitTech Thanks for clarifying! I’m an IT person not an electrical engineer so I was recently wondering why we can’t have power and data over Cat6 for LED’s like we have POE for data/power in networking. So I’m really excited to try out the new PowerDiff when it’s available. You’ve broken ground into new territory and I could see this method becoming a new standard for LED strip lights. Keep up the awesome work!
In theory yes, I haven't gone into DMX too much myself but in theory it also also just an RS485 signal. You'd have to get something to split it out of the RJ45 connector though but maybe this would do that: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DlnuF9j . I'll experiment with it myself sometime too and then it would be fairly easy to design having all this in place already!
Interesting, i was just going to DIY a PoE adapter for my esp32 so the LED data doesnt have to travel the distance, and i wont have to rely on wifi either. There are surely some applications to your solution, but id rather use a well documented ethernet PoE protocol 🤷♂️
Using passive poe to reduce complexity and cost, I can get up to 65 watts using a compatible injector and splitter for around $30 total. Even less if I DIY a circuit. I won't need gigabit, which also reduces cost quite a bit. Normal cat 5e otherwise. I chose it because it's the cheapest option I can find, even the cheapest copper for direct burial / UV safe. I could not find any less expensive of a solution... tho I am def open to ideas if you have any. I was going to just open-up and pot the splitter for weather resistance , and goop up the eth port with electrical grease . But You are right that using it at scale, w multiple poe endpoints, at that wattage, will get expensive, especially if you use active poe / a real PoE+ switch. That's not my plan, I only have one little pine tree I'd like to light up at the edge of my property about 280ft away. If I'm using passive PoE I can even overdrive voltage and compensate for loss at distance. But I don't think my two 40pc bead strand ws2811 plans will need it. Should be max around 50w. Can you do it cheaper?
@@IntermitTechI am standing-by for your powerdiff version because I don't have any power to use at my end point.... Please hurry up and release the info and the pricing LOL!! I would probably buy immediately if it's around the price point of the passive PoE options I've found.
Hehe, sure, I think it will be comparable to that pricing to be honest, because it's a structure which involves buck coverters and such (to mitigate the voltage drop) those are a bit expensive components though. So it's not meant to be the cheapest way possible but will certainly be the easiest way of doing it basically. We'll see what it ends up costing, like my other products, I try to not make them too expensive.
I wonder how long until someone plugs it into a switch. :D Put a big yellow sticker over the RJ45 port that has a "this is not ethernet" sort of warning. "this will damage network hardware" Basicly, if they remove the label they have to have read it and its on them if they fry something.
I'm sorry? If you are talking about the delay these boards would causing adding them in between, we tested this during one of the livestreams of building them and it was imperceivable, even with 500m+ of cable in between vs directly attached to the controller.
This in an IP65 enclosure would be amazing. Can't wait for the diff-power option
This is really exciting! And the fact that the voltage at the receiver end is independent is awesome!
This is awesome! Waiting extremely impatiently for that PowerDiff board. What a game changer! Great work, Quindor.
oh man again you have added QOL for LED light setups. Bravo Quindor!
incredible,your mind doesn't rest,thank you for your creations and for this great community you geathered
Very kind, thank you! I am really appreciative of the community for sure!
Excellent product and priced right. Here in far left Massachusetts a cheeseburger cost more.
prachtig, dit maakt het leven van de xlighters weer een stuk makkelijker.
"makkelijk" is such a beautiful word, somehow fully different yet at the same time very similar to the German "bequem" :)
Looks great, any plans to have a waterproof/water resistant case for it?
Not right now (since this would still require a power supply too) but I do have lots more stuff coming in this field but it's going in phases kind of. In the end I'd love to have a QuinLED-Diff-Power Receiver-Nano or something like that which would receive data+power and convert it to 5v/12v in a very small form factor and then that could be waterproofed. It would make deploying small things around the house/yard very easy! But those are future plans for now, everything needs to come out in a certain order to make sense. :)
Thanks for improving and making them compatible with everything I am already using . You are the best vendor for these kind of LED boards . Long time user of QuinLED .
I appreciate that!
Question, I have a roll of CAT-6 cable and some connectors. I am going to make my own length for what I need. The only thing is the cat 6 RJ- 45 connectors won't go in all the way on the new Diff boards that came today. Is there different sizes? They are feed through.
Thanks Quin
@@IntermitTech
Another fantastic product at a really good price
Another amazing innovative product solution. Thank you Quindor! 🙏
Oh man, this is huge! This is really a game changer, especially the power diff!
500 meters!!! Nice! Got a couple applications where I can use this. Excited to get a few.
And that's just the longest I was able to test (around 600m with couple blocks in between actually) during the livestreams! I have no clue how far it will actually reach because I keep running out of cable. 😅🤣
Thank you for what you do for this community, this diff solo boards and the other two diff boards are definitely going to change the way we as a community plan our projects. It will only make things easier and that’s a great thing!
And that's exactly what I'm trying to do, give you options on how to do things easier. I'm all for the DIY approach but if I can simply things for people who don't have the time to do it fully DIY, I will certainly try!
ohhhh.. super excited about the concept for a power delivery over cat5 as well.. house LED's will get a lot simpler when i just have to run multiple Cat5 lines out to the eves, and I can put the controller and power box in the basement instead of the side of the house.
That's exactly the idea, it's a little while out but so far prototypes have been looking good!
This is cutting edge innovation. I discovered your channel recently, and have become a huge fan and a proud DigQuad owner…
Sorry but I think the US guys did this 10 years ago (without a fuse)
Excellent idea, coming from an industrial environment, this technique is common. Thanks for bringing it to the hands of enthusiast and pro communities.
Oh yes, RS485 or differential signaling is already a quite old (and often used technique) fully agree! I just tried to design it into a form factor that's easier to use and you don't have to think about it so much to use it. :)
Thanks for always looking for ways to improve leds usage!
Ever consider being able to have a photo preview feature, so you can see what the leds can actually look like on a home or building 🤔? Just a thought, since many use Quinled & WLED on business instead.
I cant wait for the rest to be released. Nice job Quin.!!
My order is placed for two diff-solo’s so far. This will work great for my new house being built. If we could have one board with multiple ports that would be great. But you do amazing work. Keep it up.
Thnx! For the more functionality, wait for Diff-Adv, it'll probably do what you want. ;)
Amazing. Thanks so much.
I thought of something like that and lo and behold, you saved the day.
Great mind think alike! :D
this is fantastic and what a gerat additional to your line. Now I can install anywhere for anyone at anytime......thanks made installation easier...can't wait till the other designs are out
Ordered ! Thx after so long live stream, they came alive
Yes, getting a product actually made, documentented and then for sale takes quite some period. Happy to hear you were there for the livestreams, I love doing those and taking you guys along. Then you also already know a bit of what's coming. ;)
Absolutely the best quality, and I keep finding more reasons to buy ever more Quinled products. I have been waiting for this one so eagerly, and immediately put in an order for 4. I just had to gulp hard when I saw the cost for delivery to Europe. I am sure I would buy 50% more product if the shipping was not so expensive.
Yes, I'm continuously working on getting shipping cheaper for us EU people. First step was having full IOSS integration now for all payment methods and all shipping methods, no more nasty bill after receiving everything. Now getting shipping down somehow!
That's a great idea. I've been using sender/receivers for VGA and HDMI for years and they are great, hadn't thought about the idea for running LED setups in a similar way.
Yup, if you have the ability to patch stuff it makes things very convenient!
This is great. I'm definitely looking forward to using the diffpower over my patch panel into each room. Keeping power supplies etc in one central location for multiple strips.
That is exactly the idea! I'll try to make it a reality and then for much lower cost as going a true POE route!
Such a cool product! Definitely something I wanna play with now!
Great products and amazing cost. Helps people like me enjoy this hobby. Thank you for not complicating things.
That is very kind, thank you! :)
Very very cool! Could have used this in my existing setup to make things much simpler. Interested to know how much power you can push over the "power diff" version. Will be staying tuned to find out
Glad to have you here! Target is between 80w~100w at the endpoint, will also depend on distance of course.
Oh diff power. I will be ordering that the second I see it announced.
Yeah it's going to be awesome I think!
Man I think a diff power will be exactly what i need! What is the timeline on those things? lol you do great work!
I make a living out of installing lights in nightclubs, venues etc. Ive used dig-uno etc for a long time and had no probs with it. The solution at hand here is a blessing coming. So many times have i run into signal length issues. With this product here i will solve many challenges and on the long run, save money.
Question: When running up to 100m length between, how is the lagging?
Basically there is 0 lag. We did some tests on a livestream with Diff-Adv having 4 strips spaced out by 100m each or so and there was no lag at all.
Great addon to the series!
Thank you, glad you like it! :D
Whats the max length data can go, without data loss?
This is awesome. Is there any chance a 36v or 48v will be made?
For the next versions, will they be able to be used for data and power injection?
Awesome product! I’m still waiting for you to start manufacturing your own line of led strips to fill the gaps in the market. Think all in 1 WLED strip with analog quality, high cri, warm and cool white in 5, 12, and 24v. Then you would need to design a Anadig-Octa board to handle your own led strips.
Ha, who knows, maybe in the future! For now, lots of plans already for this year, including Analog, Digital and.... a Hybrid board. ;)
This solves all the issues with my upcoming build. Amazing. Now, a Dig-Octa with onboard Diff-Power would be so cool!
It's in the works actually! Stay tuned, it's a while out (say half a year) but it's coming!
@@IntermitTechYou're going to completely rewrite the book on outdoor led lighting with this one. Well done.
@@IntermitTechwonders never cease, in a good way
Amazing work!
Thank you.
Fantastic Job. Thx
For a while I've been looking at putting permanent Christmas lights on the exterior of my house. Would the future power-diff be an option for that? It seems like they would be hard to hide and perhaps pretty susceptible to moisture.
Yes but also yes. There will be a receiver component to them which will need weather shielding and depending on the version of the receiver they can take up some space because of the buck converter that's attached. So it really depends in that sense.
Just getting into this and I’d like to run some LED’s near the ceiling. I’ll have to run an extension cable 14ft through a wall between the LED strip WS2815 and controller. Can the data make it this far without issue? Sounds like the PowerDiff board will definitely solve my problem but wondering if I could also go with a DigUno (when it’s back in stock)???
As I mention in the video, up to 5m/16ft and a QuinLED Dig board you should be fine without the Diff option. But you do have to calculate your power wires too, depending on amount of LEDs and such.
@@IntermitTech Thanks for clarifying! I’m an IT person not an electrical engineer so I was recently wondering why we can’t have power and data over Cat6 for LED’s like we have POE for data/power in networking. So I’m really excited to try out the new PowerDiff when it’s available. You’ve broken ground into new territory and I could see this method becoming a new standard for LED strip lights. Keep up the awesome work!
This. Is. Awesome. !!!
I think you forget to mention does it need straight/cross and a or b cable? Or it isn't matter?
It just uses a straight UTP cable like any other out there. So normal T568B wiring. Checkout this page too: quinled.info/quinled-diff-rs-485-pinout/
So, besides, LED strips, theoretically itwould be able to use this on other DMX driven units right?
In theory yes, I haven't gone into DMX too much myself but in theory it also also just an RS485 signal. You'd have to get something to split it out of the RJ45 connector though but maybe this would do that: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DlnuF9j . I'll experiment with it myself sometime too and then it would be fairly easy to design having all this in place already!
Interesting, i was just going to DIY a PoE adapter for my esp32 so the LED data doesnt have to travel the distance, and i wont have to rely on wifi either. There are surely some applications to your solution, but id rather use a well documented ethernet PoE protocol 🤷♂️
Sure, certainly nothing against that but if you require more then a few watts, it's going to cost you. Still, that can be a choice ofcourse.
Using passive poe to reduce complexity and cost, I can get up to 65 watts using a compatible injector and splitter for around $30 total. Even less if I DIY a circuit. I won't need gigabit, which also reduces cost quite a bit. Normal cat 5e otherwise. I chose it because it's the cheapest option I can find, even the cheapest copper for direct burial / UV safe. I could not find any less expensive of a solution... tho I am def open to ideas if you have any. I was going to just open-up and pot the splitter for weather resistance , and goop up the eth port with electrical grease . But You are right that using it at scale, w multiple poe endpoints, at that wattage, will get expensive, especially if you use active poe / a real PoE+ switch. That's not my plan, I only have one little pine tree I'd like to light up at the edge of my property about 280ft away. If I'm using passive PoE I can even overdrive voltage and compensate for loss at distance. But I don't think my two 40pc bead strand ws2811 plans will need it. Should be max around 50w. Can you do it cheaper?
@@IntermitTechI am standing-by for your powerdiff version because I don't have any power to use at my end point.... Please hurry up and release the info and the pricing LOL!! I would probably buy immediately if it's around the price point of the passive PoE options I've found.
Hehe, sure, I think it will be comparable to that pricing to be honest, because it's a structure which involves buck coverters and such (to mitigate the voltage drop) those are a bit expensive components though. So it's not meant to be the cheapest way possible but will certainly be the easiest way of doing it basically. We'll see what it ends up costing, like my other products, I try to not make them too expensive.
SO COOL
OMG THIS IS SO COOL!!!!!!
So the first batch is actually rare Collector's edition.
In this case yes it turned out like that, wasn't fully intended but sometimes stuff goes differently then planned. ;)
I wonder how long until someone plugs it into a switch. :D
Put a big yellow sticker over the RJ45 port that has a "this is not ethernet" sort of warning. "this will damage network hardware"
Basicly, if they remove the label they have to have read it and its on them if they fry something.
Lag, or ping?
I'm sorry? If you are talking about the delay these boards would causing adding them in between, we tested this during one of the livestreams of building them and it was imperceivable, even with 500m+ of cable in between vs directly attached to the controller.
DUDE GOT WOBBLE HEAD
Lol an LSD strip you say 🤣