As a Saffa, I am truly excited to see NZ team getting new coach and new blood. These guys are roaring to go and have a point to prove. Their rugby style is awesome and who ever want to say rhey can beat the AB, good luck.Go AB
Anyone who has been watching Super Rugby knows the AB's will have a large pack, 915kgs+. They will be more than capable of handling the English forwards. And the talent they have in the backs is superior to the relatively inexperienced English three-quarter combinations. New coaching set-up? New squad? Don't be fooled.
Not writing off….debating whether they could win a match in a 2 horse race. Anyone that says England have no chance is a complete fool. I agree they’re not favourites. But any NZ fan assuming England have absolutely no chance is just arrogant.
England is a very dangerous team for the ABs However..... The ABs at home is a massive task for any team to over come, England pushed the world champs in the world cup and played well against France n Ireland so I'm excited to see where the ABs stack up to one of the dominant teams in the Northern hemisphere, 😁😁 go the ABs
What has history got to do with it? This is now. France have won 7 times in NZ including a series win. They are a young side no doubt, but I reckon they can win a test. 2 might be asking a bit too much !
"Ted Hill is too similar to the Curry boys" WTF? Do you mean besides the fact he's 4 inches taller (more similar to Chessum and Martin) and 6 kilos heavier? Or that he's a lineout jumper, has real gas, and can bang close to the ruck.
Dont believe for a second NZ are vulnerable. I took XV from final and added players to replace those not available. No.4 is only area i'm not sure about, rest still quality. Excluded new caps because who the hell know what Razor is thinking 15 Beauden Barrett 14 Will Jordan (Sevu Reece) 13 Rieko Ioane 12 Jordie Barrett 11 Mark Telea 10 Richie Mo'unga (Damian McKenzie) 9 Aaron Smith (Finlay Christie) 8 Ardie Savea 7 Sam Cane (Dalton Papalii) 6 Shannon Frizell (Akira Ioane) 5 Scott Barrett 4 Brodie Retallick (Tupou vaa'i) 3 Tyrel Lommax 2 Codie Taylor 1 Ethan de Groot
Everyone knows that if you're playing against the All Blacks and your team doesn't have an antelope/marsupial emblem, your chance of winning is incredibly low. Yes, they've lost to unlikely opponents in recent times, but I think Razor is cooking and they're going to come out blazing hot in this new chapter.
@@SolarMumuns I mentioned that they've lost to unlikely opponents, I was including Ireland, Wales, Argentina..Only the Sprigboks and Australia have a reasonable chance against the All Blacks when they're in form.
"No Better time "... ha. We always say that and it's right because we have not lost it yet, but we will. Big strong pack ha ha. The AB pack is way way stronger; they dominated the Boks but Bok offensive defensive undid them, only just. England scrum lineout breakdown will be dominated and players like Furbank and Smith will be trampled and swatted aside if they survive Japan.
Another deluded AB fan 😃The Boks forwards dominated the ABs forwards last year. I mean how many maul tries did the Boks score against the ABs last year🙂 thats all the proof you need🙂
@@Canvashed As world champions we reserve the right to talk ish...talk to me in 4 years when your team maybe does something significant. And it wasn't meant to be a Saffa thing...I am just over NH fans and pundits trying to talk themselves up. Aren't you tired of this narrative? It's the same thing every year.
If England continue where they left off in the 6 Nations, I think they could win the Dunedin game. I don’t think they’ll win the game in Auckland, because nobody wins in Auckland apart from New Zealand. So long as we don’t get smashed and continue to play like we did against Ireland and France, I’ll be happy.
@@davidwalker2402 I didn’t say they WILL win, I said the COULD win. And the reason I think they could win a game is because they demonstrated some promising signs that their game plan is starting to click. There is still some ways to go but if they have a good game and factor in that the All Blacks have a new coach with some big names unavailable through retirement, being overseas or injury, I don’t see why a win is a stretch. Also, France beat us with a 79 min penalty. Why is that more significant than a 80 min drop goal against Ireland?
@@somanytakennames its not significant what’s more significant is Scotland hammered England. Don’t get carried away i think NZ will be strong favorites and Don’t expect them to lose.
Seriously,no one watching super rugby?DMak,Barrett,Proctor,Telea,Reece,Stevenson backline with toast England with sheer speed,power and precision passing.40-12 game 1😅
@@davidwalker2402 Saying I think England MIGHT win one game isn’t “getting carried away”. What relevance is the Scotland game? You were referring to the last two games. Also Scotland lost more games than England overall.
@@rob.1 You might want to do a little research and compare their winning record since Inception to other sports teams in ANY code. No other team in any sports comes even close thus making them the GREATEST as stats don't lie. 😉
Always love watching England play the ABs in NZ Historically England have a poor record winning in NZ bit in fairness do most other teams. With a new exciting coach in Razor and with the quality of NZ rugby am really looking forward to seeing how they go .Both teams are in development, no idea what either will be like. If England can come away with a win from the 2 tests that will be a great result. Shame there are not 3 tests. Either way really looking forward to the games
England will be coming to New Zealand with lots of hope, especially of the back of their RWC campaign and rightfully so, they deserve the recognition. But keep in mind that the All Blacks made the RWC final, and were one point away from winning after the worst four years in their history under Ian Foster. If anyone thinks that the All Blacks are vulnerable, then you really need to think again. If England want to win, they will need to score 25+.
Haha, you are full of yourself. The last 4 years you can claim as your worst year but your worst years really are yet to come. You play in the most uncompetitive league in the world how are the kiwis going to keep up. All Blacks rugby in on the decline and won’t be coming back.
@@ThePrince24012 imagine Razors loses to England at Eden park. Foster will be seen as a god to the kiwis 🤣. Razor won’t do much with a country that plays in the worst rugby competition
@@mitch2924 no not really first game just taken over can't expect them to gel immediately as you saw with your underwhelming performance against Wales.
@@ThePrince24012 a 30 points gap despite the underwhelming performance is enough for us Saffa’s…debutants, players just coming back from injuries, a large portion of that team haven’t played together, missing players. Don’t lose at your fortress.
You're right that the ABs have lost a lot of IP. They will be a new look team, but they still have fire power all over the park; strong & mobile front row, loose forwards that hit as hard as Jerry Collins used to, a 1st 5/8 that can do things that no other player can, solid midfield, and a back 3 that can shred any team on the break. Underestimate at your peril.
Here we go again heard it all before it doesn't matter how good england are or that NZ have a new team new coach your in NZ playing the All Blacks,the ABs legacy is more intimidating then any opposition nothing has suggested to me England's gonna win at all they're always up against it wen the face the ABs in NZ ✊️
I am puzzled by the comment that these guys would struggle to name the current All Blacks. 14 of the 23 man squad that played in the rugby world cup final are in the squad to play England. Big losses are Sam Whitelock (retired), Arron Smith (retired) Will Jordan (injured), Mo''unga (playing in Japan). The coaching team incudes Wayne Smith so he can hardly be called new.
It is a different Steve Hanson lol. Wayne Smith is a specialist part timer. There is a new coaching panel and they sound positive about their goals and the player objectively. They have talked the talk and we are looking forward to team naming on Thursday and then walk the walk on Saturday. Boys are itching to play. This is going to be a humdinger.
Razor built an intimidating legacy of physicality speed and skill at the Saders. I think that he's looking for players that can tick these boxes. You know that the AB's will attack you. If England don't have an attitude or plan of attack they will get hammered.
We’ll get the Eden Park treatment in the second test but I think the Dunedin test could be close with it being the All Blacks’ first game of the year and some new combinations bedding in. I just hope we actually pick a team to keep the ball in hand and attack them. Trying to just negate NZ won’t work. If you want to win a game over there, I think you have to score 25 points at a minimum.
Possibly but there does appear to be a shift away from the kick chase game. England chucked the ball around a fair bit against Ireland and France. England’s pack is good, but I would say New Zealand have a clear advantage in the back line.
Kiwi fan here. I watched the game against Japan. I expect the new England side needs time to gel yet, and although they won comfortably in the end, I believe the ABs would have put another 20 points on them. I think 'old style' England for the first test, and see how that works. If you win that one, then absolutely Borthwick should try an open game. But based on what I saw, if you don't get forward dominance quickly (and keep it), the ABs will win 2-0. Game one will porbably be within 15 points, but game two? It will be at Eden Park, in front of a rabid bunch of kiwi fanatics, at a test venue the Abs have not been beaten at since 1994 (nearly 50 tests)....but if you do win I will be the first to congratulate you on what will be an outstanding achievement...
It could go either way. Either Razor will pull the team together really quickly and get the best out of the D-Mack/Jordie Barratt axis (who's had a brilliant season in Super Rugby) and they will smash us OR we will grind them down. This is a new England team and without Ford, we won't have the control we had during the 6Ns. Marcus will start for sure but who in our backline will manage it? I am not sure Smith is there quite yet, he hasn't had many starts in recent times. My guess is that both our 10s will get a start. Saying that, Marcus is the right player to play NZ at their own game and without Mo'unga, NZ don't have any really established, control-focussed 10s either. Both teams are new but I think in NZs backyard, they will shade both tests unfortunately. I don't think we can compare the Ireland test wins, we are way behind in our development. Either way, amazing experience for all our young players. Just the sort of tour to build a team towards 2027.
@@mahenocapital5007 that's what makes us great...when we actually start winning :-) I think New Zealanders have a special attitude in their backyard as well though. Definitely new teams on both sides. New combinations certainly.
"are we crazy to believe.....", ....YES we are. Apart from once in a blue moon, it's the same every time we go there. We have a chance, but it's a changed team from the 6nations, club performances never show up on the international stage, and it will take them a whole lot longer to gel. Last win in NZ, back in 2002 it was a settled side, perhaps too settled, this one is not and few will have experienced the NZ style of play. Happy to be proved wrong mind 😀.
Crazy to believe anyone would have the confidence of beating the greatest sports team in the history or sports in their own back yard. Even crazier to think the Poms could do it. 😂
@@mahenocapital5007 yeah that's how I see it. It was the same with football every time a world cup or European cup came along. Too many people wearing blinkers, and it's not the horses
I called it before the world cup that Sam Cane was going to be NZs downfall they should of made Ardie the Captain and left out Sam Cane ... I feel the same scenario with England and Tom Curry he is a hazard. Anyways that's just my 2c I'm just a couch coach 🤣 but really excited for these tests coming up NZ v England and SA v Ireland mouth watering
Ardie has leadership qualities, but I think Sam was a better Captain. Ardie is the people's Captain, but to get the job done, you need to be the team Captain, which means you are not going to be popular.
Like the squad nice to see new face's win or lose they have to try new face's we can't keep no disrset to the older players but we have to blood new players
U don't go ANYWHERE to lose.GO AND WRITE YOUR OWN STORIES!! If England continues to build.. and picks up the pace(!!) there is no question there are the players on hand to really create strength in depth...and really be serious contenders .for next RWC....
There’s a decent chance of catching the AB’s on the hop. IMO there’s a far greater chance now than after Razor has 20 odd tests worth of gelling everything. ABs will be a bunch of quality individuals but a bit unco as a first hit out with new structure.
Hearing all the flannel from AB fans that England will get beat by 30 points, dont expect to win series but will give the ABs a decent go. Havent beaten England since 2019, and not put a big score on England since the Hamilton test way back when.
Good to see the arrogant commentators believing England have no chance. They’re certainly not favourites. But NZ team are far too smart to not to take them seriously.
23 of the ABs were in last year's RWC Team. I think you are pretty naive if you think you are going to compete with them in NZ. ENG have won about 8 out of 40 tests against NZ. Stats don't look too good. ABs lost the RWC Final by 1 point after some dubious officiating playing one man short for about 60 mins and having 1 try disallowed. My prediction? 2 nil to ABs, 13+ margin in both.
Boy I honestly think ENGLAND gonna get smacked!!...... Theres some thing about RAZOR (AB Coach).....he manages to bring the best out of team in any situation The start of a new era begins now........
Blah! blah! blah! blah! blah!...too many negative responses won't get us anywhere...just wait until they win or loose, before making your comments "dudes" and fan supporter's.
I Think it will be a Fantastic Test Match from The All Blacks and England also. Very Physical and Fierce definitely. But i Will put my Money on The All Blacks. As long as they Stick to there Game plan, and play with Motivation. Score 38 to 18 All Blacks Win.
‘How often do you have a chance as an England team to go to NZ and think you can beat the All Blacks?’. About the same number of times England soccer think they will win a Tournament. I love that people think the ABs have ‘lost the aura’ every 10 years or so, and immediately after the ABs were 2 points from a World Cup with 14 men. If that’s losing the aura these guys are delusional.
Wow pommys dream its an easy winn about new coach stuff? 😜 Good luck. Springboks was winning two titles about kicker and line outs. Of course rest of team was high good playing anotherways u never winn. If AB had an kicker like springboks hade or have last decade.... Kiwis lost about TMO and kicks where hard to kick. Sadly boks kicker would making it😜🙉.
"attacking rugby can''t win against the All Blacks", Jim? really? because when we last played them, we started Ford and Farrell and played safe and got spanked for 60 minutes, then Marcus got brought on, created breaks and got us a draw (and was arguably giving us the ability to go fo the win), before Eddie and Owen told him to kick the ball off and run the clock down. Given some support, he can find holes in any squad - that was a better kiwi team than this new unproven one and we have a real chance of tearing holes in their defence at pace.
No one wins at Eden Park except the All blacks 48 straight test wins since 1994 and aintblikelybto change, Dunedin test under the roof running rugby be on your toes. Only win will be Japan.
Mmm, an Englishman who is starting to sound alot like an Australian. We've heard it all before. This is New Zealand, our weather, our pitch, our game, lights out England, no chance.
There is no coincidence that england tend to tour when they beLIEve there is a good chance of beating nz at home. Loss of a lot of caps and experience, players retired, new coach untested with the mighty blackness. The bait is laid and the trap is set, welcome to dunedin engurlund , try and keep up on Saturday it is going to be a humdinger.😂
England will front up and put in a massive effort and it will be close for 55min in one test but will lose by 15-20 points in both. Just because you dont know the abs doesn’t mean they are an unknown.
As an outsider if England want to win at least 1 test in nz fin smith has to start I am sorry but Marcus smith doesn’t fill me with joy if he has to manage a kicking game great attacking game but I think fin smith is a more rounded player for me but if you want to gung ho all out attack then it’s Marcus more kicking and territorial game than fin smith
I dont think its impossible for England. Will be hard but it doable. Anyone can beat them, the AB’s has never been untouchable, it was just the narrative
Dont know what andy is going on about with the all blacks having a new coach. Scott Robertson is the best coach in world rugby and hes gonna find that out real soon. 3-0 all blacks
FARK!! This Super comp this year is the most exciting its been for a loooong while. Its no fluke the Crusaders being just 10% off their norm is out of the finals while same time the Oz teams generally have lifted their competitiveness and mongrel but maaan that Canes front row is scary as f$%k. So long as Razor picks on form and not on relationship as Taylor and Barrett aside, no other forwards from ChCh should come anywhere near a black jersey this season. Gotta be the Canes front row and Taylor and the rest from the Chiefs and Blues and Barrett
New Zealand club games are 6 Nations level for intensity. No chance even for Ireland at present. Only France with Dupont and Ntamak could squeeze a draw. NZ 2-0 with points positive of 20 each game
How many years now is that being said, truth is on the international stage he has shown very little promise and if he has a bad summer I don’t know where he goes from that. On the wing Fiji flattened him like a bug and so did France …
I have the same sentiments when I see the England squad. Just know a handful of them. So, that argument of not knowing who the new ABs players are is irrelevant. I believe it will be a great series, yet the ABs will surely make a statement.
This is a great chance for England, keep in mind our last coach was the second worst coach in All Black history. So it's going to be interesting, really looking forward to it.
Well apart from the first 4 years of Eddie Jones England have not had a decent coach since 2003. My jury is still out on Borthwick (mainly because hes English), but the semi in RWC `23 and 2 very useful performances in the 6 Nations. There has been a bit more dross interspersed amongst these, but Im a bit more optimistic now.
Alot of new players in key positions will make all blacks very vulnerable in the first couple of months.New 9,7,10,15,4,5....alot of 100+ tests match players gone at once. So this will be englands best oppertunity to stun the Abs in NZ. Crusaders not making playoffs will be a blessing for Razor. Blues,Canes and chiefs player can test their BMT for finals. Crusaders lads had plenty of that the past 7 years under Razor.
Oh they absolutely can. Whether they will is an entirely different question. This will be probably the rawest, most unsettled and untested All Blacks team in a generation, with rookie coaches and number of single-digit capped players. England by comparison are playing a settled (if uninspired) game based on the core strengths of English rugby, which match neatly against the core weaknesses in the NZ competition. That said, it's NZ at home, England's past record on tour there is dreadful, several key players are missing or injured, and the lack of attacking ambition they've demonstrated under Borthwick may conspire with the ABs home advantage to limit England's success.
For MHO, I think both teams have strengths over each other in a few facets, NZ front row is better than Englands (I'm assuming SB is picking Cole Marler and George who are good defensive scrumagers but won't take it to the bigger kiwi 1-3) England have better locks now whitelock has retired, both teams back rows are very strong, coin toss. Weirdly I think England have three better nines than NZ now roigard is injured and smith has retired, BB is a better 10 than the smiths, NZ have bigger stronger centers, both sets of wingers are very good and england might hage the better FB. A few points of difference, Englands domestic comp and the ECC is generally of a better standard and more competitive week on week that SR, the kiwi derbies are always good but there's too many awful Aussie and samoan teams. England have also had five test matches and a longer season to gel. Gonna be close, can't wait
ABs need time to gel but are certainly not "vulnerable" or "fractured" as some of the NH pundits are suggesting. The front row is sorted they can go toe to toe with any nation and provide a solid platform, plenty of depth in the props, hooker is abit weaker with taukeaho out but they have decent cover, aumua is a freight train hopefully he gets a shot. Second row is questionable but scott barrett and tupou vaai as the starters are no pushovers whatsoever. The backup has potential but unproven at test level, Tuipolotu will add some much needed experience when he comes back from injury. The depth in the backrow is absolutely stacked we could easily have a list of 10 players fighting for these positions. 9 is questionable with smith gone and roigard injured but theirs decent cover certainly no lack in raw talent. 10 is fine with Dmac has matured and is absolutely devastating when in form which he currently is, a backup is needed we have BB for now but hes not a long term option in my opinion. Some solid young ones coming through but no "eye catchers," just yet. Centers are world class with barret and Ioane, plenty of depth and players to choose, I hope they give the wrecking ball Levi Amua a shot but it's been hard for him to shine at the crusaders this year for obvious reasons. Outside backs are absolutely stacked even with jordan out. The depth in the outside backs superb, even with jordan gone at fullback they have 2 young superstars in Shaun Stevenson and Ruben Love who can play fullback. And the wingers are absolutely lethal with Reece, Talea, Narawa and the now inform beast of a winger that is Caleb Clarke
Always got a chance but they should massively target the first game Vs the All Blacks because the second will be the tallest of orders. I think the All Blacks are going stronger in midfield and the forwards are looking full of pace and power. The NZ back three will be excellent as well. I think it will be 2:0 to All Blacks best case 1:1. Borthwick won’t be able to adjust he’ll play boring kicking game and that won’t be good enough against the All Blacks.
If England can play like they did against both Ireland and France then I'd say they can win down there. As an Irishman I was more impressed by England than I was by the AB's beating us. The ABS deserved it that day but I thought England forwards dominated the Irish more than the AB"s did. Winning the breakdown battle will be crucial.
You guys should watch more southern hemisphere. Razor is going to have NZ buzzing and flying. Ardie Savea, Mounga and Beauden Barrett all getting ample downtime before the tour. I hate to say it but I see a 2-0 home win down there.
England fans will be able to watch three NZ teams play in the Super Rugby semi finals this weekend. The All Blacks in the Crusaders and Highlanders will have already received Robertsons game plan. Exciting times.
As a kiwi and abs fan obviously, I watched england beat nz in japan at the stadium. Gutted. From that point on and all through fosters reign it was such a feeling of doom and gloom and poor selections and no planning for the future and playing guys out of position. So So So mortal under foster. The world cup been was by all means a good result for us. But now under razor, a great super rugby comp, Ill be at the eden park vs eng game coming up and there is a real sense of something special brewing under razors guidance. I think this abs squad will dominate and peak in 2 years.
My only question is hand on heart how many England players would make an ABs 23. I would say maybe 3 or 4 perhaps Itoje, Earl, Curry, Freddie S at a pinch. Says it all really
As a Saffa, I am truly excited to see NZ team getting new coach and new blood. These guys are roaring to go and have a point to prove. Their rugby style is awesome and who ever want to say rhey can beat the AB, good luck.Go AB
Anyone who has been watching Super Rugby knows the AB's will have a large pack, 915kgs+. They will be more than capable of handling the English forwards. And the talent they have in the backs is superior to the relatively inexperienced English three-quarter combinations. New coaching set-up? New squad? Don't be fooled.
England no chance. Don’t know why people write off the All Blacks
Not writing off….debating whether they could win a match in a 2 horse race. Anyone that says England have no chance is a complete fool. I agree they’re not favourites. But any NZ fan assuming England have absolutely no chance is just arrogant.
England is a very dangerous team for the ABs
However..... The ABs at home is a massive task for any team to over come, England pushed the world champs in the world cup and played well against France n Ireland so I'm excited to see where the ABs stack up to one of the dominant teams in the Northern hemisphere, 😁😁 go the ABs
I have also seen a huge decline in skills and standards
England don’t match up wel anywhere in this series. NZ depth with razor is going to be dangerous
England have only won twice on NZ soil, history isn't on their side, but it's their first tour to NZ in a decade, good to see them come back here.
history is nothing on the pitch
What has history got to do with it? This is now. France have won 7 times in NZ including a series win. They are a young side no doubt, but I reckon they can win a test. 2 might be asking a bit too much !
@timmo491 that's what lovers would say
@@timmo491 reminds me of that Split Enz song - "History never repeats, that's what I tell myself as I go to sleep."
I don't put much stock in the past, nothing good comes of it,
"Ted Hill is too similar to the Curry boys" WTF?
Do you mean besides the fact he's 4 inches taller (more similar to Chessum and Martin) and 6 kilos heavier? Or that he's a lineout jumper, has real gas, and can bang close to the ruck.
Gutted he's not going
Mad comment by Goode
I think you will be surprised with the power of New Zealand’s foward pack once they are up and going.
They outweighed the English pack today
Dont believe for a second NZ are vulnerable. I took XV from final and added players to replace those not available. No.4 is only area i'm not sure about, rest still quality. Excluded new caps because who the hell know what Razor is thinking
15 Beauden Barrett
14 Will Jordan (Sevu Reece)
13 Rieko Ioane
12 Jordie Barrett
11 Mark Telea
10 Richie Mo'unga (Damian McKenzie)
9 Aaron Smith (Finlay Christie)
8 Ardie Savea
7 Sam Cane (Dalton Papalii)
6 Shannon Frizell (Akira Ioane)
5 Scott Barrett
4 Brodie Retallick (Tupou vaa'i)
3 Tyrel Lommax
2 Codie Taylor
1 Ethan de Groot
If England can play like Ireland under Farrell - then anything is possible.
Of course they can win. But WILL they win is another question altogether. 🙃
England can barely beat Wales and Italy, and lost to Scotland, let alone new zealand 😂
Everyone knows that if you're playing against the All Blacks and your team doesn't have an antelope/marsupial emblem, your chance of winning is incredibly low. Yes, they've lost to unlikely opponents in recent times, but I think Razor is cooking and they're going to come out blazing hot in this new chapter.
Erm, Ireland?
@@SolarMumuns Ireland doesn't count in New Zeeland. The All Blacks only care about us, The Springboks and we only care about them. ❤
Ireland gave them a good doing.
@@SolarMumuns I mentioned that they've lost to unlikely opponents, I was including Ireland, Wales, Argentina..Only the Sprigboks and Australia have a reasonable chance against the All Blacks when they're in form.
"No Better time "... ha. We always say that and it's right because we have not lost it yet, but we will. Big strong pack ha ha. The AB pack is way way stronger; they dominated the Boks but Bok offensive defensive undid them, only just. England scrum lineout breakdown will be dominated and players like Furbank and Smith will be trampled and swatted aside if they survive Japan.
Another deluded AB fan 😃The Boks forwards dominated the ABs forwards last year. I mean how many maul tries did the Boks score against the ABs last year🙂 thats all the proof you need🙂
Needs to puck new players,win,lose or draw,plan for the next few years, marler,george,cole out, thay had there time,
The same way the NH were gonna win the WC😏.
You northerners need to stop this. By northerners I mean Goodey
Is this about SA? Bounce Baffana Baffana.
@@Canvashed As world champions we reserve the right to talk ish...talk to me in 4 years when your team maybe does something significant.
And it wasn't meant to be a Saffa thing...I am just over NH fans and pundits trying to talk themselves up. Aren't you tired of this narrative? It's the same thing every year.
@@hlangaful Issshh. This topic has nothing to do with SA rugby! Ishhhh
How load shedding today? 😎
Razor has been waiting a long time for this...AB's will make a statement.
Good luck
Razor . What a toss. Watch him loose more than he wins
England can't win anything significant with the bouncing hair @10. To much pumped up air punching not enough line breaking threat.
Winning in NZ is still the hardest thing to do in World Rugby
SA at altitude probably
@@jormundgandr88 All Blacks do alright in SA , SA not as well in NZ . Boks last win at Eden Park?
1937
@@jormundgandr88 all blacks do it enough to suggest that not the hardest place. Also, Loftus isn’t the fortress that it should be
@@itistrue101 the AB’ are a couple of wins away from having a winning record in SA 😮
@@GBH001 Boks are 24 wins away from having a winning record in NZ
If England continue where they left off in the 6 Nations, I think they could win the Dunedin game. I don’t think they’ll win the game in Auckland, because nobody wins in Auckland apart from New Zealand.
So long as we don’t get smashed and continue to play like we did against Ireland and France, I’ll be happy.
You lost the last game in the 6 nations and beat Ireland drop goal 80 minutes how does this tell you they will win in Dunedin
@@davidwalker2402
I didn’t say they WILL win, I said the COULD win.
And the reason I think they could win a game is because they demonstrated some promising signs that their game plan is starting to click. There is still some ways to go but if they have a good game and factor in that the All Blacks have a new coach with some big names unavailable through retirement, being overseas or injury, I don’t see why a win is a stretch.
Also, France beat us with a 79 min penalty. Why is that more significant than a 80 min drop goal against Ireland?
@@somanytakennames its not significant what’s more significant is Scotland hammered England. Don’t get carried away i think NZ will be strong favorites and Don’t expect them to lose.
Seriously,no one watching super rugby?DMak,Barrett,Proctor,Telea,Reece,Stevenson backline with toast England with sheer speed,power and precision passing.40-12 game 1😅
@@davidwalker2402
Saying I think England MIGHT win one game isn’t “getting carried away”.
What relevance is the Scotland game? You were referring to the last two games. Also Scotland lost more games than England overall.
I'd love to see England come down here and play a more expansive style. Win or lose it will be a great spectacle.
Will they bring there own referees from the northern hemisphere
Struggle to name an All Black 15? And you are a rugby commentator. Do you not watch any NZ rugby?
my thoughts exactly
Can the channel please put up a trigger warning that the video contains a clip where a man suggests one team could play another team and win.
😂
Mate, it's the AB's the GREATEST sports team in the history of sports. A parody disclaimer would be more appropriate.
Remarkable how many times the greatest sports team in the history of sports loses.
@@rob.1 You might want to do a little research and compare their winning record since Inception to other sports teams in ANY code. No other team in any sports comes even close thus making them the GREATEST as stats don't lie. 😉
Good luck besting the ABs. They are always fantastic
Always love watching England play the ABs in NZ
Historically England have a poor record winning in NZ bit in fairness do most other teams.
With a new exciting coach in Razor and with the quality of NZ rugby am really looking forward to seeing how they go .Both teams are in development, no idea what either will be like. If England can come away with a win from the 2 tests that will be a great result. Shame there are not 3 tests. Either way really looking forward to the games
England will be coming to New Zealand with lots of hope, especially of the back of their RWC campaign and rightfully so, they deserve the recognition.
But keep in mind that the All Blacks made the RWC final, and were one point away from winning after the worst four years in their history under Ian Foster. If anyone thinks that the All Blacks are vulnerable, then you really need to think again.
If England want to win, they will need to score 25+.
Haha, you are full of yourself. The last 4 years you can claim as your worst year but your worst years really are yet to come. You play in the most uncompetitive league in the world how are the kiwis going to keep up. All Blacks rugby in on the decline and won’t be coming back.
yes if they can make a final and nearly win it with the worst coach in history imagine what Razor will do.
@@ThePrince24012 imagine Razors loses to England at Eden park. Foster will be seen as a god to the kiwis 🤣.
Razor won’t do much with a country that plays in the worst rugby competition
@@mitch2924 no not really first game just taken over can't expect them to gel immediately as you saw with your underwhelming performance against Wales.
@@ThePrince24012 a 30 points gap despite the underwhelming performance is enough for us Saffa’s…debutants, players just coming back from injuries, a large portion of that team haven’t played together, missing players. Don’t lose at your fortress.
You're right that the ABs have lost a lot of IP. They will be a new look team, but they still have fire power all over the park; strong & mobile front row, loose forwards that hit as hard as Jerry Collins used to, a 1st 5/8 that can do things that no other player can, solid midfield, and a back 3 that can shred any team on the break. Underestimate at your peril.
Good luck England. AllBlacks will definitely be ready. No matter what, we will be seeing some great rugby
All this chat reminds me of the Northern Hemisphere lock out for the 2023 RWC !!! Ooops ..lol
Oh you mean the one point wins everywhere? Margins are very fine my friend.
Here we go again heard it all before it doesn't matter how good england are or that NZ have a new team new coach your in NZ playing the All Blacks,the ABs legacy is more intimidating then any opposition nothing has suggested to me England's gonna win at all they're always up against it wen the face the ABs in NZ ✊️
England will get battered in both games. They're no match for NZ in NZ.
Absolutely. England are as likely to win in NZ as Ireland are to get passed a QF at a World Cup.
@@christopherdarby1043*get past. Learn the language or you just come across as thick as mince.
So looking forward to this tour. I’m picking that the ABs are going to be back to their best. Sorry England.
It's the same story every bloody year. England ain't winning shit down under unless NZ throw the last game to introduce new players
I am puzzled by the comment that these guys would struggle to name the current All Blacks. 14 of the 23 man squad that played in the rugby world cup final are in the squad to play England. Big losses are Sam Whitelock (retired), Arron Smith (retired) Will Jordan (injured), Mo''unga (playing in Japan). The coaching team incudes Wayne Smith so he can hardly be called new.
It is a different Steve Hanson lol. Wayne Smith is a specialist part timer. There is a new coaching panel and they sound positive about their goals and the player objectively. They have talked the talk and we are looking forward to team naming on Thursday and then walk the walk on Saturday. Boys are itching to play. This is going to be a humdinger.
Not sure why you say NZ team is unknown. Most positions pretty clear id have thought
it is only the NH that ramble on about the abs "aura" no one else talks about that imaginary aura that the NH teams are so worried about
Razor built an intimidating legacy of physicality speed and skill at the Saders. I think that he's looking for players that can tick these boxes. You know that the AB's will attack you. If England don't have an attitude or plan of attack they will get hammered.
We’ll get the Eden Park treatment in the second test but I think the Dunedin test could be close with it being the All Blacks’ first game of the year and some new combinations bedding in. I just hope we actually pick a team to keep the ball in hand and attack them. Trying to just negate NZ won’t work. If you want to win a game over there, I think you have to score 25 points at a minimum.
Haven't been following the English team. Will they bore the All Blacks into submission?
Possibly but there does appear to be a shift away from the kick chase game. England chucked the ball around a fair bit against Ireland and France. England’s pack is good, but I would say New Zealand have a clear advantage in the back line.
Kiwi fan here. I watched the game against Japan. I expect the new England side needs time to gel yet, and although they won comfortably in the end, I believe the ABs would have put another 20 points on them. I think 'old style' England for the first test, and see how that works. If you win that one, then absolutely Borthwick should try an open game. But based on what I saw, if you don't get forward dominance quickly (and keep it), the ABs will win 2-0. Game one will porbably be within 15 points, but game two? It will be at Eden Park, in front of a rabid bunch of kiwi fanatics, at a test venue the Abs have not been beaten at since 1994 (nearly 50 tests)....but if you do win I will be the first to congratulate you on what will be an outstanding achievement...
It could go either way. Either Razor will pull the team together really quickly and get the best out of the D-Mack/Jordie Barratt axis (who's had a brilliant season in Super Rugby) and they will smash us OR we will grind them down. This is a new England team and without Ford, we won't have the control we had during the 6Ns. Marcus will start for sure but who in our backline will manage it? I am not sure Smith is there quite yet, he hasn't had many starts in recent times. My guess is that both our 10s will get a start. Saying that, Marcus is the right player to play NZ at their own game and without Mo'unga, NZ don't have any really established, control-focussed 10s either. Both teams are new but I think in NZs backyard, they will shade both tests unfortunately. I don't think we can compare the Ireland test wins, we are way behind in our development. Either way, amazing experience for all our young players. Just the sort of tour to build a team towards 2027.
A new team ? Irrespective of whose in or whose out you still retain Pommy characteristics..... Winging & arrogant delusion. 😉😂
@@mahenocapital5007 that's what makes us great...when we actually start winning :-) I think New Zealanders have a special attitude in their backyard as well though. Definitely new teams on both sides. New combinations certainly.
@@EdLo3 fair enough. 😉
"are we crazy to believe.....", ....YES we are. Apart from once in a blue moon, it's the same every time we go there. We have a chance, but it's a changed team from the 6nations, club performances never show up on the international stage, and it will take them a whole lot longer to gel. Last win in NZ, back in 2002 it was a settled side, perhaps too settled, this one is not and few will have experienced the NZ style of play. Happy to be proved wrong mind 😀.
Crazy to believe anyone would have the confidence of beating the greatest sports team in the history or sports in their own back yard. Even crazier to think the Poms could do it. 😂
@@mahenocapital5007 yeah that's how I see it. It was the same with football every time a world cup or European cup came along. Too many people wearing blinkers, and it's not the horses
the series will be 1-1 with Eng winning the 1st test, all these are just talk
I called it before the world cup that Sam Cane was going to be NZs downfall they should of made Ardie the Captain and left out Sam Cane ... I feel the same scenario with England and Tom Curry he is a hazard. Anyways that's just my 2c I'm just a couch coach 🤣 but really excited for these tests coming up NZ v England and SA v Ireland mouth watering
Just curious, why do you think TC is a problem?
Ardie has leadership qualities, but I think Sam was a better Captain. Ardie is the people's Captain, but to get the job done, you need to be the team Captain, which means you are not going to be popular.
@@dougsaunders8109he targets lower limbs in rucks and he’s a Wit Kant 😂
Like the squad nice to see new face's win or lose they have to try new face's we can't keep no disrset to the older players but we have to blood new players
"Can England Beat the All Blacks?" yes. "any team can beat any team on the day."
" *WILL* England Beat the All Blacks?" no.
U don't go ANYWHERE to lose.GO AND WRITE YOUR OWN STORIES!! If England continues to build.. and picks up the pace(!!) there is no question there are the players on hand to really create strength in depth...and really be serious contenders .for next RWC....
I expect England to be strong, and I am not understanding them at all.
Given the players available to both teams I’d say it only comes down to how well the team and tactics click on the day.
I reckon England can win, but won’t
There’s a decent chance of catching the AB’s on the hop. IMO there’s a far greater chance now than after Razor has 20 odd tests worth of gelling everything.
ABs will be a bunch of quality individuals but a bit unco as a first hit out with new structure.
Hearing all the flannel from AB fans that England will get beat by 30 points, dont expect to win series but will give the ABs a decent go. Havent beaten England since 2019, and not put a big score on England since the Hamilton test way back when.
30 points?! More like 40 plus 😉😂
@@mahenocapital5007 just be a typical IWI. Never changes mate
@@Canvashed Mate. You thumbed up your own comment. Typical bloody pom 🤣😂
Reminds me of the SA supporters I spoke to before the semi final last year. SA was going to win by 30.
@@martinluke9470 true
Good to see the arrogant commentators believing England have no chance. They’re certainly not favourites. But NZ team are far too smart to not to take them seriously.
No chance, will struggle with Japan
England are always good, but their backline simply can't match NZ.
I'd imagine, if the ABs play to their potential, England will struggle.
32-15
England will have the edge having played a test match, All Blacks will be rusty, but hopefully be a good match, all the best.
England have the edge . 🤣🤣🤣.. AB is rusty.. 🤣🤣🤣.
@@chrisdutoit8843 careful you could be crying after the match 😂😂😭😭😭
@@jamestoaifolia8609 🤣🤣in rugby anything is possible. But good luck to any and all who play NZ on NZ home soil.
23 of the ABs were in last year's RWC Team. I think you are pretty naive if you think you are going to compete with them in NZ. ENG have won about 8 out of 40 tests against NZ. Stats don't look too good. ABs lost the RWC Final by 1 point after some dubious officiating playing one man short for about 60 mins and having 1 try disallowed. My prediction? 2 nil to ABs, 13+ margin in both.
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I honestly think ENGLAND gonna get smacked!!......
Theres some thing about RAZOR (AB Coach).....he manages to bring the best out of team in any situation
The start of a new era begins now........
Blah! blah! blah! blah! blah!...too many negative responses won't get us anywhere...just wait until they win or loose, before making your comments "dudes" and fan supporter's.
I Think it will be a Fantastic Test Match from The All Blacks and England also. Very Physical and Fierce definitely. But i Will put my Money on The All Blacks. As long as they Stick to there Game plan, and play with Motivation. Score 38 to 18 All Blacks Win.
‘How often do you have a chance as an England team to go to NZ and think you can beat the All Blacks?’. About the same number of times England soccer think they will win a Tournament.
I love that people think the ABs have ‘lost the aura’ every 10 years or so, and immediately after the ABs were 2 points from a World Cup with 14 men. If that’s losing the aura these guys are delusional.
Wow pommys dream its an easy winn about new coach stuff? 😜
Good luck.
Springboks was winning two titles about kicker and line outs.
Of course rest of team was high good playing anotherways u never winn.
If AB had an kicker like springboks hade or have last decade....
Kiwis lost about TMO and kicks where hard to kick.
Sadly boks kicker would making it😜🙉.
"attacking rugby can''t win against the All Blacks", Jim? really? because when we last played them, we started Ford and Farrell and played safe and got spanked for 60 minutes, then Marcus got brought on, created breaks and got us a draw (and was arguably giving us the ability to go fo the win), before Eddie and Owen told him to kick the ball off and run the clock down. Given some support, he can find holes in any squad - that was a better kiwi team than this new unproven one and we have a real chance of tearing holes in their defence at pace.
No one wins at Eden Park except the All blacks 48 straight test wins since 1994 and aintblikelybto change, Dunedin test under the roof running rugby be on your toes. Only win will be Japan.
Mmm, an Englishman who is starting to sound alot like an Australian. We've heard it all before. This is New Zealand, our weather, our pitch, our game, lights out England, no chance.
There is no coincidence that england tend to tour when they beLIEve there is a good chance of beating nz at home. Loss of a lot of caps and experience, players retired, new coach untested with the mighty blackness. The bait is laid and the trap is set, welcome to dunedin engurlund , try and keep up on Saturday it is going to be a humdinger.😂
England will front up and put in a massive effort and it will be close for 55min in one test but will lose by 15-20 points in both.
Just because you dont know the abs doesn’t mean they are an unknown.
As an outsider if England want to win at least 1 test in nz fin smith has to start I am sorry but Marcus smith doesn’t fill me with joy if he has to manage a kicking game great attacking game but I think fin smith is a more rounded player for me but if you want to gung ho all out attack then it’s Marcus more kicking and territorial game than fin smith
I dont think its impossible for England. Will be hard but it doable. Anyone can beat them, the AB’s has never been untouchable, it was just the narrative
I think AB will win if England can dominate the set piece and territory they can definitely win, AB thrive on counterattacking and punishing mistakes
You guys gotta slowwww down. The cheifs hurricane and blues only player are going to smack England.
Dont know what andy is going on about with the all blacks having a new coach. Scott Robertson is the best coach in world rugby and hes gonna find that out real soon. 3-0 all blacks
I am a kiwi All Blacks fan and my only opinion is that England are going to get smashed, goodluck England because you will need it.
In NEW ZEALAND,WE HAV BASICALLY THREE ALL BLACK TEAMS TO CHOOSE FROM TO MAKE UP THE PLAYING 15 ON THE DAY
The pommies will easily beat the aotearoa,s easy walk in the park.the aotearoa,s kiwi,s are rubbish falling fast.😂😂😂😂
England 2-0 is a bold prediction, either a draw or 2-0 to the AB's
FARK!! This Super comp this year is the most exciting its been for a loooong while. Its no fluke the Crusaders being just 10% off their norm is out of the finals while same time the Oz teams generally have lifted their competitiveness and mongrel but maaan that Canes front row is scary as f$%k.
So long as Razor picks on form and not on relationship as Taylor and Barrett aside, no other forwards from ChCh should come anywhere near a black jersey this season. Gotta be the Canes front row and Taylor and the rest from the Chiefs and Blues and Barrett
England beats Ireland and they think yiu can go to NZ and beat the all blacks. 😂😂 at least dreaming is free
This is pundits view not that of grounded England fans.
And you think NZ are just going to win comfortably
Hypocritical much?
Says the guy who said England wouldn't get out of the pools at RWC 😂😂😂 that aged well
We have a good chance to win one of the tests
@@jormundgandr88 I'm afraid that's a short sharp ... Yes. 😉
And will have a good team and Razor the new coach is a breath of fresh air.
Don't bring that drop kick tripe down here and you might be alright.
A lot of questions will be asked of both teams
I think England will beat the All Blacks in the first one and lose the second.
New Zealand club games are 6 Nations level for intensity. No chance even for Ireland at present. Only France with Dupont and Ntamak could squeeze a draw. NZ 2-0 with points positive of 20 each game
Last time NZ done that to England?? 🤣🤣🤣
French battered kiwi,s last two occasions mate😂😂😂
😮Nonsense its Premiership which has the same intensity!
They'll have to play the perfect game to even get close - will be a blowout
ENGLAND HAVE A ( BYE ) THIS WEEKEND AGAINST THE ALL BLACKS SO THEY GET THE WIN. LOL
I still don't think Marcus Smith has what it takes to be a world-beating flyhalf.
Can't mix it physically with the best just has no power
How many years now is that being said, truth is on the international stage he has shown very little promise and if he has a bad summer I don’t know where he goes from that. On the wing Fiji flattened him like a bug and so did France …
LOL - yeah - sorry about this one, but he reminds me of Mike Catt when facing Jonah Lomu storming towards him.
Quins did great this year, to get to the semi-final v Toulouse! Marcus played well
He's too dumb, too selfish
I have the same sentiments when I see the England squad. Just know a handful of them. So, that argument of not knowing who the new ABs players are is irrelevant. I believe it will be a great series, yet the ABs will surely make a statement.
Can England beat the All Blacks😂😂😂😂😂
In a word NO!
langdon is a big ommision, at least he has left daly at home and taken some northhampton back line
Langdon was injured unfortunately in the final
England have a chance but I doubt they will win.
England will get threashed, in both games too.
This is a great chance for England, keep in mind our last coach was the second worst coach in All Black history. So it's going to be interesting, really looking forward to it.
Well apart from the first 4 years of Eddie Jones England have not had a decent coach since 2003. My jury is still out on Borthwick (mainly because hes English), but the semi in RWC `23 and 2 very useful performances in the 6 Nations. There has been a bit more dross interspersed amongst these, but Im a bit more optimistic now.
NZ will beat England. Then lose to SA.
I think Felix is Razors headache 😮
Alot of new players in key positions will make all blacks very vulnerable in the first couple of months.New 9,7,10,15,4,5....alot of 100+ tests match players gone at once. So this will be englands best oppertunity to stun the Abs in NZ.
Crusaders not making playoffs will be a blessing for Razor. Blues,Canes and chiefs player can test their BMT for finals. Crusaders lads had plenty of that the past 7 years under Razor.
Oh they absolutely can. Whether they will is an entirely different question.
This will be probably the rawest, most unsettled and untested All Blacks team in a generation, with rookie coaches and number of single-digit capped players. England by comparison are playing a settled (if uninspired) game based on the core strengths of English rugby, which match neatly against the core weaknesses in the NZ competition.
That said, it's NZ at home, England's past record on tour there is dreadful, several key players are missing or injured, and the lack of attacking ambition they've demonstrated under Borthwick may conspire with the ABs home advantage to limit England's success.
For MHO, I think both teams have strengths over each other in a few facets, NZ front row is better than Englands (I'm assuming SB is picking Cole Marler and George who are good defensive scrumagers but won't take it to the bigger kiwi 1-3) England have better locks now whitelock has retired, both teams back rows are very strong, coin toss. Weirdly I think England have three better nines than NZ now roigard is injured and smith has retired, BB is a better 10 than the smiths, NZ have bigger stronger centers, both sets of wingers are very good and england might hage the better FB. A few points of difference, Englands domestic comp and the ECC is generally of a better standard and more competitive week on week that SR, the kiwi derbies are always good but there's too many awful Aussie and samoan teams. England have also had five test matches and a longer season to gel. Gonna be close, can't wait
ABs need time to gel but are certainly not "vulnerable" or "fractured" as some of the NH pundits are suggesting.
The front row is sorted they can go toe to toe with any nation and provide a solid platform, plenty of depth in the props, hooker is abit weaker with taukeaho out but they have decent cover, aumua is a freight train hopefully he gets a shot.
Second row is questionable but scott barrett and tupou vaai as the starters are no pushovers whatsoever. The backup has potential but unproven at test level, Tuipolotu will add some much needed experience when he comes back from injury.
The depth in the backrow is absolutely stacked we could easily have a list of 10 players fighting for these positions.
9 is questionable with smith gone and roigard injured but theirs decent cover certainly no lack in raw talent.
10 is fine with Dmac has matured and is absolutely devastating when in form which he currently is,
a backup is needed we have BB for now but hes not a long term option in my opinion. Some solid young ones coming through but no "eye catchers," just yet.
Centers are world class with barret and Ioane, plenty of depth and players to choose, I hope they give the wrecking ball Levi Amua a shot but it's been hard for him to shine at the crusaders this year for obvious reasons.
Outside backs are absolutely stacked even with jordan out.
The depth in the outside backs superb, even with jordan gone at fullback they have 2 young superstars in Shaun Stevenson and Ruben Love who can play fullback.
And the wingers are absolutely lethal with Reece, Talea, Narawa and the now inform beast of a winger that is Caleb Clarke
Always got a chance but they should massively target the first game Vs the All Blacks because the second will be the tallest of orders. I think the All Blacks are going stronger in midfield and the forwards are looking full of pace and power. The NZ back three will be excellent as well. I think it will be 2:0 to All Blacks best case 1:1. Borthwick won’t be able to adjust he’ll play boring kicking game and that won’t be good enough against the All Blacks.
If England can play like they did against both Ireland and France then I'd say they can win down there. As an Irishman I was more impressed by England than I was by the AB's beating us. The ABS deserved it that day but I thought England forwards dominated the Irish more than the AB"s did. Winning the breakdown battle will be crucial.
You guys should watch more southern hemisphere. Razor is going to have NZ buzzing and flying. Ardie Savea, Mounga and Beauden Barrett all getting ample downtime before the tour.
I hate to say it but I see a 2-0 home win down there.
England fans will be able to watch three NZ teams play in the Super Rugby semi finals this weekend. The All Blacks in the Crusaders and Highlanders will have already received Robertsons game plan. Exciting times.
As a kiwi and abs fan obviously, I watched england beat nz in japan at the stadium. Gutted. From that point on and all through fosters reign it was such a feeling of doom and gloom and poor selections and no planning for the future and playing guys out of position. So So So mortal under foster. The world cup been was by all means a good result for us. But now under razor, a great super rugby comp, Ill be at the eden park vs eng game coming up and there is a real sense of something special brewing under razors guidance. I think this abs squad will dominate and peak in 2 years.
My only question is hand on heart how many England players would make an ABs 23. I would say maybe 3 or 4 perhaps Itoje, Earl, Curry, Freddie S at a pinch. Says it all really