I halved my energy bill, not with a heat pump but with insulation, under floor heating, and a change to LED lighting. I did my homework, worked out the benefit that various insulation strategies would give me, designed my own heating system and got on with it. No grants for the sort of refurb I did, but I'm happy to have a lower energy house that is more pleasant to live in.
@@m4inline I live in a conservation area and the council won't let me replace all of the windows so we've got some controlled draught, enough to keep the place healthy. We're also not shy about opening the sash windows to vent steam from the bathroom. I did look at mechanical ventilation with heat recovery but that requires a totally sealed house and that's not going to happen with us. We're in the UK and get moderate weather anyway.
@@davidquirk8097 ah ok i was just curious. Mechanical venting does not need airtight envelope by the way. Thats kind of a myth. Its for passive design.
@@m4inline I was thinking that, when I finally get round to refurbing the bathroom, I'd put heat recovery on that room. I may end up with passive ventilation on our bedrooms because we live on a busy road and traffic noise means that we can't have the bedroom windows open over night. The recent heat wave we had was uncomfortable for my partner and passive vents pulling air through the house from the back rooms may help. I guess what im saying is that I've got some homework to do with regard to ventilation if I want to drive my energy costs down further.
@@davidquirk8097 i am pretty happy with the mechanical vent i have. No mould and no mosquitoes. Where i live its like up to 40C in summer and minus 20 winter. I open a window in winter and my balls freeze off.
There’s a little National trust house called A La Ronde, in Devon, UK. It was designed by two retired sisters many years ago, it’s unique feature is it’s circular shape, allowing them to use different rooms depending on the sunlight coming through the windows, to warm or cool it. Recon they were on to something there 😜 What if heat from our cooker ovens could be captured, to heat water to do the washing up, and have a hot shower before bed? It’s similar to the old stoves with a back boiler behind it. My Nan used to cook, boil a kettle, sit next to it, and dry the laundry above it too, she’d even heat the iron on it. She dried our shoes next to it, and heated up an old bed warming pan too, all this from one appliance giving out the same amount of heat. it was the heart of the house. Technology comes up with individual ideas, but we waste a lot of energy/heat because each appliance only has one function.
What you are describing is the micro air source heat pump I have in my home. It takes hot damp air from the kitchen, bathroom or high ceilings and turn it into hot water at 4:1 efficiency.
@@charleslyster1681 ah interesting, thanks 👍 Would it be as efficient if we have the doors and windows open a lot? We’re like the authors wife, fresh air and plenty of air flow. I’ve lived in a house with heat pump / air circulation, it didn’t feel nice despite high ceilings, under floor heating and insulation, but it did keep the temp fairly constant.
@@FHRider-o1m if you let the warm air out then of course it won’t work as well, though in warm weather it will still function getting heat from the air. If you have well placed ducts in the bathroom and kitchen though it will capture plenty of waste heat. We also like open doors and windows but have enjoyed our ASHP underfloor heating for the last year. We have a downstairs bedroom so we can have the window open at night with a closed door and not cool the entire house. Obviously you will lose heat whatever the source when you open a window.
Brilliant... It's about being resourceful with what we have and making the most out of and being smart with what is already there. All of these miracle cures are just poor attempts to mask issues that won't change. There is a British architect whose name is can't remember but he not long ago completed a house which requires no heating at all. It's brilliant and is here on TH-cam if only I can remember his name. But why are the gov not supporting things like this. Smart designs or whatever they could be called. I made my heating more efficient by simply adjusting the front door which turned out to be poorly installed. Now with far less cold seeping in, the heating is on less and thus I have reduced my carbon footprint. There's not point putting in a slightly more efficient boiler if the house itself isn't doing its part.
I think half the issue is that in the UK you go from air sourced heat pump into heating water, which is pumped through radiators, that then heat the house - an unnecessary extra step. Just go air sourced heat pump and then heat/cool the inside air, get rid of that heating water step. Oh, and by doing so the air starts getting heated within a minute or so - food for thought.
Good idea, but that would require ducting to be fitted throughout the house. Then you would have to heat water with electricity. This could be done during the day with solar panels, but that would not work at night of course. Houses in the UK are very small due to land limits, so wet system heating has been the way ahead up till now, as ducting and other systems take up space.
The problem is, that heat pumps should be used with underfloor heating or a lot bigger rads as they heat water to only 50-55 C. there for you need bigger radiator (nothing is bigger the floor it self) . If you connect heat pump to normal uk rads of regular house they will not work
@@neziniukas86 the problem is you do not need to transfer heat into water, nor into a hydronic slab system, just transfer it directly to the room air. Simples :)
And where exactly are we putting these air vents and ducting in our solidly built brick and stone houses which have no crawl spaces and little space under the floorboards. The reason we use wet central heating is it takes up little space and was more efficient at the time to retrofit and use. Pipes take up a small amount and radiators of the time heated wonderfully with 65-70°c water. Oh and it also warms up our hot water too. We have some of the oldest housing stock in Europe and probably the world dating back to before central heating it’s difficult to retrofit such a system
I don’t normally add my own comments but on this occasion I felt quite compelled. So I watched a number of Rogers clips on plumbing and found them a no nonsense advice, and clearly explained. Now I’ve watched this clip and thoroughly enjoyed the plain talking and yes some will possibly disagree but truth sometimes hurts but we do need to get out of our own personal boxes and look out for our beautiful planet and help it now! So well done Roger.
Those fuckers will destroy us all ! Electric cars, heat pumps, artificial meat, etc etc etc....even that t**t featured in the video telling us what to do...everything is a conspiracy ! I dont mean covid or others, but this new shit they force us to accept is unacceptable ( i dont even live in UK)
@@daveansell1970 first get that Co2 scare out of your mind, they really really planted it in there. Planet has its warming and cooling cycles for hundreds of millions of years, when they only drove chariots and dinosaurs farted. Leave petrol engines, hamburgers etc and plant more trees, and invent another fuel that burns clean, if you believe that sort of thing, like alcohool , instead of changing the world and its people and their habits and everything.
@@MrAlpinab7 You strategy would be wonderful if it would work. Firstly you are underestimating the rate at which we are changing the climate. It has changed in the past, but we are changing the climate much faster than it would normally change, and even the normal changes would cause issues for our civilisation. Broadly fixing the problem is cheaper than adjusting to it (eg sea level rise will mean moving 80% of the population, and rebuilding all those cities). Planting trees wouldn't fix the problem, there isn't enough land. There are things we can do to take carbon out of the atmosphere (like biochar) and that might be the right solution for long distance air travel, and steel production, but we still need to reduce our use of fossil fuels drastically, and we should do the easy things first. Technology on its own might fix the problem, but it might make it worse. If someone finds a way of digging oil out of the ground at 20% of the current cost it would overwhelm any increases in efficiency and green energy everyone else is doing, unless we dis-incentivise the release of CO2. Personally I think the right solution is just to tax fossil fuels and transfer this money back to people in proportion to how much they use now, then everything would sort itself out, and if you want a petrol SUV you won't be able to afford to fly to minorca for your holiday, but you won't have to feel guilty about it. But that would piss off the fossil fuel lobby, so everything is half arsed.
@@daveansell1970 out of all these possible solutions what are they leaning towards ? Instead of finding a "cleaner" burning fuel, which basically means putting together 10 chemists in a lab, what do they do ? Change the entire technology, from internal combustion to electric. Scrapping hundreds of millions of cars in the world, demolishing industries. Why ? It's PROFIT driven. To make an EV probably costs 40% of what it would cost to manufacture an ICE, driving their profit margins up. Then comes the replacement of car batteries every 3 or 4 years. Another cost, but for us, they make even more money). It's all smoke in our eyes. These heat pumps are just another gimmick, a " saviour for our heating" which are pretty much an air conditioner in disguise, but triple the price for them to make more money. That'll all there is to it. More money for them. What's more expensive ? Growing a cow or growing cells in a lab ? More profit for them, the rest is just a story ! Not even a good one, just a sales pitch. Come on, people like this eco shit, i like it too, im not for throwing plastic into the ocean or terrible things like that, but i want to keep what makes me happy, a delicious hamburger, a good rev of a V8, a leather coat, etc. And WE all liked this stuff at some point in time. They changed us. Plant more trees, stop deforestation, clean the oceans, whatever, use eco shit electric technology for big polluters, industrial, not take my joy of driving a v8.
I used to work in a repairs contact centre for a housing association. They fitted a load of their properties with these systems and we were bombarded with problem calls from tenants daily. One of our call out contractors told me this was the worst thing anyone could ruin their property with.
I was selling heat pumps in one part of my life. I was also responsible for service. You need 10 years to properly train service ppl to be able to service chillers/heat pumps properly. Small systems you don't service, you just replace it, it is way cheaper. Bigger systems it is very costly and difficult to do overall. For example, if you have a leak (which is common) you need to replace all refrigerant, find a leak (very difficult) and you have a chance it will happen again, 1kg of refrigerant can be a couple of hundred Euro, without work and small heat pumps easily carry 3-4 kg, bigger ones can be hundreds of kg. If water enters the refrigerant system it is a nightmare, can be days of vacuuming the system, replacing the compressor, changing the oil, get rid of contamination in the system. A repair can easily be thousands of Euros. Some repairs we did are literally tens of thousands of Euro.
I agree they are crap.installed these for over 40yrs in shops and office's repairs are mega cost and so complicated.I love mine but I can fix it ! Public are been coned
I've worked with GSHP and ASHP... Roger, I love your videos, your findings are exactly what I am experiencing and to watch this video is a relief for me! Thank you for sharing
Addressing insulation is always the first step to energy efficiency. Once that is done we found a mini-split heat a very efficient way to provide heating and cooling while reducing air pollution. That was important to us and our heat pump is doing that very well.
Here is an other idea: eat things can be grown locally and in seasons, like we did in 70's so we have not got to fly foods from overseas to cater for out of season demand.
I walk to the shops,a mile away,my bin is hardly used each fortnight but next doors is overflowing and they even use mine at times,I won’t mention their weight.Roger your spot on.🥴
I am a homeowner in Huntington NY USA. My house was built in 1978. The house is 2400 square feet and is made of frame construction with exterior cedar shakes. The house has top of the line thermapane windows. My first Heat Pump was a Carrier Unit. I replace the original unit about 15 years ago with a Lennox heat pump. I would also like to mention that I have 65 solar panels on my roof which faces Southwest. The Heat Pump is a 5 Ton Lennox Unit with a Lennox Air Handler in the basement. During heating season I set the thermostat at 74F (23.3C) and in cooling season it is set to 78F (25.5C). Depending on how much snow there has been during the winter my total cost for electric for a full year will run a low of $150 to a high of $450. The reason for the difference is that in a snowy winter the panels are covered for several weeks and produce little electric. I have compared notes with my next door neighbor who has the virtually identical house to mine and he spends between $5,000 to $6,000 on oil PLUS an electric bill for the year of $2,000. I have another friend who lives nearby in a home with GAS heat and while his costs are marginally better for the gas, his electric bill is also in the $2,000 range. I have had 42 years of experience in a Cold in the winter/Hot in the summer climate and the heat pump works great. I have saved well over $150,000 during this time. Skill Builder is ill informed and is putting out Phony information. He should work for Mike Lindell of My Pillow fame.
@@raycooke2510 This is the trouble - you're all blaming the HP tech when it's Roger and his builder mates that are out there creating housing stock in the UK that is a pile of shit.
Roger I have a heat pump. Ground source, via two 50mt bore holes in my lawn. Had it for 7 years now and no complaints other than it is mechanical and has had a couple of issues. I fully insulated my home and put in underfloor heating. I was advised by the guy who sold it to me to do this, so no shark selling. It's much cheaper to run and you have to get your head around it doesn't give hot water but warm water, takes longer to heat the house so you have it running a couple of hours before you need the heat. It is the way forward but wont suit every property due to the insulation issues.
Hi Dave I have not argument with ground source if there is the room. I have no argument with air source if you are not on the gas grid. What I object to is the use of a bribe to move people away from mains gas. It is not going to do much to cut CO2 and it creates a false market that will go bust when the grants stop. They think they will prime the pumps but look at all the other stuff they chuck money at.
@@SkillBuilder I actually cut off my gas supply when I did this as I could see the price increasing. They will have to get very techy if they want to replace all the gas boilers There is room to improve the design of the pumps just no initiative but with new money things may well improve.
Hi Roger, I have a gas boiler and radiators in my three-bedroom house, there used to be three of us using the house but now it is just my cat and me. Like your wife I like a cool bedroom (my cat doesn’t) but she hasn’t a vote so I win, in fact I have triple glazed windows, closed foam on the roof interior, and fifteen inches of insulation as well, my walls are brick with a three inch cavity that has been filled with insulation and apart from getting hot water for showers, washing up and shaving I have not needed to have the boiler going for over three years now, it is even cool in the summer and it has been red hot outside just lately. I will change over when they can promise me the same benefits as I have now. I am seventy years old and last year my power supplier gave me a rebate of twelve pounds because I get the warm house payment from the government ad had not used it all before I was eligible for the next years payment. And by the way, I paid for my triple glazing when everyone else was installing double glazing, I paid for all the insulation and cavity fill myself and now I am reaping the rewards
Hi John. Firstly congrats on reaching 70 years old 👏🏻. Why don’t you add another unit of triple glazing on the inside of the house so you have 6’ll glazing then open the window and add a window pane sized sheet of insulation for when you go out to the shops or the doctors? Might save a few quid ?
@@Steveuploads Hi Steve, you seem to have taken my comment as an insult, if so I am very sorry it was not meant to upset anyone, I was merely saying how I have kept my house warm. I did a lot of things in my seventy years on this planet and I spent some time in Norway, they are so far advanced and all the houses had triple glassing and that is way I got in installed when I came home. I was not trying to upset anyone or insult them with the lockdown due to Covid in the UK I have spent most of my time watching my favourite channels on my computer and I only watch channels that I find interesting and informative and I sometimes leave a comment but never an insult.
@@johnfithian-franks8276 John, I see nothing offensive or insulting in what you said. I too visited Norway in 1990 and was shocked to see how little they spent on heating. I was amazed at their building technology. I’m sure they could better afford to heat their houses in winter and cool them in summer being a rich country but they chose to be less wasteful and more pragmatic even back then. Good for you.👏
Don't let someone's sarcastic comments bother you. What I took from your description is that it's perfectly possible to make our homes very energy efficient by practical, sensible means. Triple glazing is something I'd consider, but with many large and/or picture windows and patio doors the cost to me is likely to be prohibitive - bit of a Catch-22 as they're all still in very good condition so it's not worth doing yet. My cat gets over the cold bedroom thing by sleeping on me every night!
@@johnfithian-franks8276 John, pay no attention. There are arseholes leaving comments all over utube and he's one of em. Congrats, I was only commenting yesterday that it's nearly November and I've just put the heating on. My costs are very low so why would I spend 1000s on a system that's useless.
The only people that ever benefit from subsidized heating etc are those on benefits or people with a disposable income who get the grants and RHI from installations with a big upfront cost. Most of us working to live are left to pay increased utility bills with nothing to show for it.
@@HeatGeek 5% of total Planetary Carbon from mankind, less than 1% of 5% from UK. Even less than minuscule, thems the numbers, bud, that's how it works.
I had a conservatory added about 7 years ago, made sure floor was insulated, dwarf walls insulated to max. I fitted a heat pump and never regretted the decision, it’s been invaluable in the summer not only to cool the conservatory but the dinning room and sitting room too. Obviously struggles for a bit on start up if sunny but works fine, as sun looses its power temp plummets. Biggest bonus is the dehumidifier effect, makes it so much better to breath in. In the winter it’s so convenient to warm same area downstairs without heating the whole house, we have warm well insulated house and rarely have the main heating on in the morning even when temp out side is below zero. We get maximum use from conservatory being able to sit in the warm. Cost to run which I did research on before installation very low, because of intermittent use barely noticed on bill.
@@totherarf not true you still have a fuel and and oxidiser he referred to getting two fuels after electrolysis that's factually incorrect you get a fuel and an oxydiser it's like saying bread will cook itself then saying well it does in an oven it's the fuel oxygen and heat mixed that makes fire although with a concentration of oxygen in the mix it will most certainly intensify the combustion process in the same way N20 works in a petrol engine
Stationary idling is an offence under section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988. The Act enforces rule 123 of the Highway Code, which states: "You must not leave a vehicle’s engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road."
OK, but how to enforce it? Almost never see the police around to catch people out. Some of those rules will probably only work if can send in a video/etc. and expect a result (noise problems would be nice as well, it isn't just heat pumps). And how much surveillance is ok?
@@SyncViews here is one, make start/stop in cars none optional and add extra controls into it, like checking if car is moving. How about the gov put a few bob into that and make it part of MOT requirements.
@@matthewgladwell1026 Then the cars are more complex, and expensive to buy and maintain. Their likely lifespan as an economic proposition will be reduced, and they'll end up at the scrapyard all the earlier. All that for some questionable gain in efficiency. An idling car uses very little fuel. The added complexity you propose would likely be less environmentally friendly, not more. The subtext of Roger's rant is, in my opinion, that government shits on everything it touches! A bunch of political chancers will not be the planet's salvation!
A mix of valid points and some that don’t really make any sense to me. The key point I disagree with is the attack on subsidies. In my view subsidies are not about paying for someone else’s heat pump but accelerating the development and reduction in cost of heat pumps to a point that subsidies are no longer required. This works, just look at electric vehicles. Subsidies in many countries are reducing because the technology has rapidly improved and costs have plummeted. Would this have happened without subsidies? Not nearly as quickly. So if we want to slow down heat pump developments and keep costs high then removing subsidies will do that. Another key area of disagreement is on hydrogen. I just don’t see it competing on cost once heat pump technology goes mainstream and other options like distributed heating are fully exploited. Overall I think this video is unbalanced, he shows plenty of examples of bad heat pumps but no examples of good ones. Anyone can find a poorly installed or maintained heat pump with a noisy compressor, but is this representative of all heat pumps installed? I doubt it. I do like to see some critical thinking about heat pumps but this feels too much like showmanship and creating some drama for clicks. Integrity should be more important than clicks.
I believe princess nut nut is behind his extreme view on these things, I am absolutely scared out of my whits for what the future will look like. The so called global warming problem is fabricated, human activity does NOT incease the temperature on this planet with anything more than microscopic values, still this lie is used to introduce a nightmare communist future, "you will own nothing and you will be happy", all for the "enviroment". Maybe we have to move to China or Russia as they are not going to force this as they had enough of extreme communism the last century.
One of the best I’ve seen from you Roger, only this morning I watched a short you tube interview with Lord Anthony Bamford regards the problems with going electric etc, his and his teams response has been to develop existing combustion engines to run off Hydrogen, utterly brilliant and fantastically well thought out, if you ever need an additional voice, let me know, keep it up Ben 👍
If only we had more pragmatic and truthful people like Roger in a position of power and able to make policy changes !! Great clip mate and all technically correct .Bang on !!
My 8 year old boy asked me today what he could invent to sell for a million pounds. I told him that a good energy source could be that thing. Great rant, Sir 👍
"invent ... good energy source" There is no need to invent anything for heating buildings. You can make your home so energy efficient, that you don't have to worry much about heating.
As a low income house in a rural area. I need a heat pump to replace expensive oil, I have at cost to my self installed UFH and installed Dimplex Smart Rads, now I need the grant for my heat pump so I can finally have a heating system. I need the grant! Also good on you for telling off polluters!
@@EatingMachine23 are you in the industry? Watch he's other videos if you want to see the pros back when these were first introduced. You need to be in the industry to understand these videos. But if you want to give your opinion then go ahead. I'm listening
Yes it’s all a scam, overpriced, under performing, cost an absolute fortune to run if you take away the rhi. The same chancers who sold solar panels then biomass are now selling heat pumps.
I have never understood why large residual areas are not heated with communal combined heat & power boiler houses. Also why are diy insulating products not zero rated for VAT?
under today's technology to produce nitrogen oxide sensor fo the cars is cost no more than 20 dollars lets ad the 20 profit and you got 40. They sell it for 300+VAT. People deactivating the entire SCR system not to pay such a horrible price and continuou polluting, and thats only nox where are the rest parts of SCR? No one cares. Green energy is as green as a dollar bill.
This is how many of the former Soviet countries heat their houses. There are pipes everywhere transporting hot water. So hot you need to open the windows!!
Southampton is not on Geothermal any more due to Water Regsits CHP and does indeed provide a large area with heating and subsequently hot water at 75C temps
Be careful what you wish for. My wifes' family are from Eastern Europe and have central community heating. It is horrible! It is baking hot to the point of being oppressive in the winter months. There doesn't seem to be any mechanism to temperature adjust either. My Father in Law is absolutely obsessed with our combi-boiler and thinks we are incredibly lucky to have it.
Installed one my self cost about 500 quid. what's wrong with using air blown heating cooling, mine is still working after 5 years, right next to block of flats and no complaints
8:15 that's not a modern heat pump. That's a clapped out old air conditioner. My mini-split heat pump is extremely quiet. You have to size it for the application, or you won't have a good result.
They're digging up the fields a couple of miles up the road for HS2, it looks like a nightmare. Roads closed, traffic lights, queues, I couldn't even get back home on my bike the way I wanted along a bridlepath because the plant machinery had completely desecrated the path. Added another 7 miles to a long ride 🙄 and they've had to close the little farm shop up that way because apparently the side of the road belongs to the railway now.
Hs2 is a load of shite and expensive and noisy it's for southerners to come up north and buy our property on weekends. Oh I have an air source heat pump and no fossil fuel in my house only the wife
If people understood the real cost of owning a heat pump even the subsidies would not be enough. Nobody talks about how much it will cost to professionally clean them every 2 to 3 years and what about the cost of repairing and replacing parts if you can find someone who knows enough to do it. There may be 6 to10 year parts warranty available but most don't cover the cost of labor. Again, if you can find someone to come out to your home on a cold winters night and then it's not going to be cheap.
Hi Roger, I live in Sweden. You are correct. 1 - Most houses are very well insulated. 2 - Most houses have triple glazing. 3 - Heat pumps are used as a last resort. However - District Heating is common - Hot water pumped through the town heats your home and provides piping hot water. It is not expensive and IS very efficient! That is, in my own opinion, the way forward. I hear you ask - what is District heating - basically a centralised set of water boilers fuelled by burning waste plus the by product of factories - heat, as in paper, cardboard factories. You then have super insulated large bore pipe work throughout neighborhoods that supply heat/hot water to each home - I think it is superb - please check it out- it is called, in Swedish - Fjärrvärme - good luck with that - 😂😂😂
Went to a nice house in Scotland for a valentines weekend break 4 years ago. They had a heat pump the radiators were like warm to say the least. We asked the owner to have a look at the heating and he said it's on its maximum setting. The log burner was perfect but he spent about an hour explaining how the Scottish government gave him a big grant for it. Worse thing he ever did he said and was considering going back to his oil heating.
I run an Air Conditioning Company in the UK. What I cant get my head around is why they arent looking at putting ducted AC in lofts with ducting throughout the house, then just using heat pumps for hot water. Surely theres a heck of a lot of waste converting electricity to refrigerant, to water, to air.. Rather then cutting out water completely and just going electricity to refrigerant to air
I think it's because you need very big ductwork to move the same amount of air that A/C blows-and keep it quiet. However all these folk in their properties with the period features that they love so much, could consider using the chimneys as a route for ductwork. I'm quite happy with insulation and a couple of little minisplits.
Great piece Roger, I 100% agree about tax payers money not being handed to cowboy “heating engineering” companies that will probably turn out to be partly owned by mp’s or their family & friends. People tend to forget the government doesn’t possess money it’s our money their gambling with. I’m always amused when an mp says “we need to regain the public’s trust” thus implying that at some point in time ordinary people trusted members of parliament.
PS: The main thing that needs to be weeded out is predatory companies who provide th wrong type of heat pump, or over-inflate heat pump prices while delivering deflated engineering specification systems that are incapable over the full external temperature range of usage. They want to make a killing by providing inadequate systems at the highest possible price. This needs to be stopped.
What you describe was going on in the wet heating systems industry for years. Where the system was under designed and sold high.When minus winter temperatures struck ,the systems couldnt heat the building adaquately.
Great video! I work for the national gas network. Hydrogen is the way forward and we are not that far from it! Few small changes to any domestic boiler to accept it. Already built a small hydrogen network for a new housing development. Good clean facts in this video, well done. 👍🏻
I'll just repeat my comment in case you missed it: Hydrogen is produced using electricity and that's always going to be less than 100% efficient - possibly a LOT less. Heat Pumps are everywhere in other countries - they work great and are 3-500% efficient. How can you claim hydrogen is the future? At best it's a short term energy store for excess renewables.
Guess how I stumbled onto this video. My piece of shit heat pump that I just had fixed last winter is now broken again. Not that I can tell much difference in the house, it was cold before it broke. If you want electric heat, don't get a heat pump, get an electric furnace and central air conditioning. Your electric bills will be cheaper and you'll actually be warm in the winter and cool in the summer.
Hi mate, i am extremely pleased you are putting your neck on the line by simply explaining the obvious truth. I am a pipefitter welder by trade who has worked within the commercial & domestic heating industry for the last 39 years & have experienced many similar heating problems, like you i would never advise the installation of any renewable heating/ hot water system. In my experience geothermal generates the majority of its heat from friction the pump creates because in many cases the pump is at the highest point and is full of air.
Yet a whole Norwegian town is heated by heat pump as are the new 3x24 floor tower blocks in Vienna. I have a reversible air con unit. Works perfectly. If you are installing get a professional installation with a guarantee of performance.
The systems you mention would be bespoke semi-industrial systems. With equipment selections and system design and configuration being undertaken by an Engineering team. Heat pump systems do work, but they extremely difficult to achieve effective results with a domestic, commercially viable, off the shelf, solution. Even with Government subsidies.
I first heard about heat pumps 40 years ago, plenty of time for them to catch on. Now if governments had pushed for Nordic standards of insulation it would be different, but I remember at the time the claim that gas was so cheap.
Despite the many issues and risks, Roger's conclusions (from 6:48) are that heat pump systems do work when properly designed, sized and installed by qualified heating engineers. That's certainly my experience with my own heat pump based system.
Hi Phil Absolutely and the government's intended scheme will do nothing to enhance the reputation of heat pumps because they are never going to give you the same flexibility and output as a gas boiler. Once they do the game will change.
1:40 he obviously live in a fairy tale. If so lets try with the magic stick and invent such a perfect machine meanwhile the others will use a real thing like a heat pumps are, which thriving in most of european countries as PART of a heatring/coooling SYSTEM of a course I get it old school master like he is, is terrified of new technologies. The same as old school mechanic is terrified of electric cars, can't work on them that's why must be bad.
@@altergreenhorn he's just been around long enough to know junk when he sees it. How long do the cells in an electric car last for? Five years? Then that's it? I've had cars that haven't even needed a trip to the garage in five years.
Hey Roger. Your videos are excellent, thanks and congrats. Few seem to understand that if heat is taken out the ground ( by pipework of heat pump) then it’ll be cooling that surrounding sub ground space. Accordingly the heat recovered by heat pump becomes diminishingly effective equals disappointment.
Hi Drew You are so right, there is this popular misconecption that this is geothermal heat but groundsource heat at that level is solar gain and a lot depends on the geology. If the ground has a high conductivity then the heat comes in from around and might keep up with the rate of removal but it is hit and miss and freezing can be an issue. There are cases where mounds appeared in the lawn of driveway.
The companies that sell and install these, are most likely owned by friends and relatives of people in govt. It's probably just ANOTHER way to syphon of public money to make them and their friends rich.
In years to come I can see a PPI type claim coming from this, companies will promise you everything, people will end up with low temperatures and high cost for topping up to get warm.
Roger - spot on again - heat pumps don't work in most houses no insulation fitted in old houses in uk - change the gas network to hydrogen and we stand a chance of going green and heat all the old houses then try and upgrade old stock of houses will take years and years to do this but at least we won't have to do it in the next few years
Well said! Heat pumps have been available for over 70 years now and haven’t taken off of their own accord. Their lack of popularity in the U.K. and the requirement for subsidies and reduced electricity tariffs as an incentive speaks volumes.
Like a lot of things, I believe it's more complicated than you can explain in a short video and without having a lot of spreadsheets with real-world data to hand. I believe there is a place for heat pumps but only if combined with other measures, insulation, ventilation, night rate electricity, mass thermal storage in structure, large water tanks or efficient storage heaters, solar panels etc. I definitely agree with you that the "hard sell" by the governments and various interested parties is blatantly dishonest, they sell the quick fix solution for everyone. I've had many friends telling me they are being promised the world by various people to change to air source heat pumps and being told they are essentially ground source in a box by, plumbers, estate agents! (why would you trust them?), builders etc.
3:32 Factually incorrect. Modern condensing boilers are designed to run at 60°C. They can run hotter but don't need to and don't function efficiently at higher temperatures.
I love a good Rant Roger ! You have just hit the nail on the head so to speak. Keep up the good work I waiting for your next epistle How about Solar Panels that should get you going !
2 Points I think are relevant: 1. We are already over-taxed for GREEN taxes and currently these green taxes are mostly NOT fed back to us. So a heat pump grant is the CORRECT use of this GREEN tax money. The justification for these green taxes are exactly to assist our society to move to a greener forms of energy collection/generation. 2. In my view airsource heat pumps should never be generally used (from your video it is these fan driven outdoor heat exchanges which are the source of the "noisey" heat pump comments). Also airsource heat pumps quit exactly when you need them most, at around 5DegC. Heat pumps for homes should always be ground source. The system must be designed correctly with sufficient in-ground capacity and placed at the correct depth. So in summary I fully agree with you, when you say that a PROPERLY designed groundsource heat pump, that is decently installed (This includes DIY installations, which are some times better than so-called professionals) will deliver a warm and comfortable house all year round at relatively low cost.
Roger, thank you for this video. I fully agree that government subsidising is pointless especially for older existing homes. Most of them are not built to work together with a low temperature heating system. However, for new builds which from the first go are designed with low temperature heating systems there is no better solution. I designed my newly built home to include a 10kW heatpump which heats my 2600 sq ft home which is 100% powered with electricity. Paired with the 10 kWp photovoltaic system I pay peanuts for for my fuel bill (only admin fees) The house is warm in the winter and cool in the summer and I am very happy with the result. The entire investment was sponsored by the hard earned money which I earned. Never, ever, once have I asked for a handout. Thank you and keep up the great videos!
Great rant Roger! You have drawn attention to how the system works. Pay for one thing, then tell you that you can't have it and must pay for something else which does the same thing for example diesel cars replaced by electric. The list goes on. By the way - about 50% of electricity in UK is generated at gas powered stations ... duur isn't that a fossil fuel? So, ditch your gas boiler for an electric air source system using electricity generated from GAS. Bloody brilliant.
imo the government want to get rid of gas boilers in homes so that they can hog it all for the power stations, all this air source heating is just smoking mirrors for the public to think it's greener, I bet some big wigs are getting back handers.
Yeah except we only get 38% from gas actually and gas power stations are far more efficient then petrol cars at getting usable energy out of fossil fuels even when you factor in transmission loses and charging loses an ev charged on just gas source electricity is far cheaper in terms of fuel cost and co2 production. Btw 56% of our energy comes from renewables and nuclear energy. Check your facts before spouting nonsense.
Except heat pumps are multiplicative technology. You feed it 1kW of power and it gives you 3kW of heat. Rather than burn gas directly (call that 100%), you use electricity, which is only 50% gas (and as mentioned above, it's not even 50%), and then figure in the COP of the heat pump and suddenly only 17% of the energy going into the water is from gas. It's not 1:1, it's 1:6.
35 years in the heating trade and I have just found this video! You need to be in Westminster! I'll vote for you and not because there's no one else!!! Hats off for talking sense buddy 👍👍👍
"Saving the planet" - George Carlin? Anyone? God, I'm a miserable, nihilistic old git! Save the bees, save the trees. Save the whales, save those snails!
@@bigjd2k Vive La France! "Americans will eat anything. If you were selling sautéed raccoon's assholes on a stick, Americans would buy them and eat them." - George Carlin. Don't know if Roger allows links. th-cam.com/video/7W33HRc1A6c/w-d-xo.html
I know I’m gonna get some people commenting on this but my wife and I have had solid fuel heating for years. I know it’s a fossil fuel but I use anthracite, fantastic heat, loads of hot water also. I know you have to de-ash every day and put anthracite in every night, but, that’s it for 24 hours just ticking over and the house sits At between 21 to 22 degrees. We have cavity wall insulation, loft double insulated and led lights, I have heard nothing but crap about heat pumps. Fantastic video, thanks for telling the truth about them. Kind regards from a small village in Scotland. Johnny
Wow! Such a fiery presentation.. I am impressed.. Not that I fully agree with you, but the way you talk makes me envious. I live in southern Ontario in Canada. I have a house built in 1924 with forced air gas heating and a heat pump used mostly as an air conditioner. However, my heat pump supplies me with heat during whole weekends and then week days between 7PM and 7AM, because the electricity rates are lowest during that period. And that seems to work well.
Roger: Stationary idling is an offence under Section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988. The act enforces Rule 123 of the Highway Code, which states: "You must not leave a vehicle's engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road."
Great video. One thing i am always surprised about is no one in the media challenges the environmental damage caused by the race for space tourism! is it because the owners are billionares?
"Space may be the final frontier but it's made in a Hollywood basement" But still they shoot some aluminium cans into the ocean so small rocket fireworks polute.
Gas energy is 3-4p per kWh but only 70-90% efficient due to heat escaping up the flue. Electricity is 18p per kWh but 100% efficient. Divide by the COP if you use heat pumps. Gas still looks good economically, and with less technology risk.
The trick becomes easier than one think of: Increasing CO2 Taxes for Gas are just one Sign-off by your local government and your calculations are flipped over to heat pumps.
Honestly, all of the problems and issues are due to poor advice and system design on the part of the installer/engineer. And yes, there are a lot of old school installers that don't know heat pumps and don't spend the time to learn a new trade.
It's more than that the the heat pumps do not work will you need them most in the bloody depth of winter. You are not being honest Rodger is calling it how it is l do hope the thought Police don't cancel him. These government runs games have a terrible track record look at what the warm front scheme did to people I have seen it done once on a ground source system new build new insulation huge field for the pipe coils in performed absolutely wonderfully try doing that in semi detached or terraced house idiot. There are plenty of unscrupulous companies going up to get their hands on money it wouldn't surprise me if something didn't people of influence investing in said companies if you to go invest in a beer cooler torture your neighbours with noise and get mugged off your choice
I'm not going to argue Roger's ability and knowledge, but we do know that; Every new technology starts with problems, but then the problems are solved one by one and integrated into the system. In the heat pump, all the problems mentioned in this video will be solved over time.
Hi Ron This technology works and it has been around long enough to make it work well but the problem is simply that the houses need to be up to the standard. You have to replace heat at least as fast as the house loses it. If you do that you can use a heat pump but at 40 deg celcius flow temperature you need a very well insulated house. That is the crux
Your right the heat pump system has to be designed to work with the house it's installed in. That means you may need bigger replacement radiators and plumbing. To me they make sense if they are installed beside the heating system you have now. They are great for supplemental heat or use on mild days but unless you tear out the entire existing heating system you are likely to be disappointed.
Saw a question "it is a matter who pays for net zero, the consumer or the taxpayer?" In my book they are the same thing. Another one " we need to tax the big polluter" My book there are big polluters only because us consumers consuming whatever they make, hence the word consumer.
Would be good to see a video on scenarios where Heat Pumps DO WORK. For example, Ground Source heat pumps with a large garden. Or Air Source with solar panels.
I have a house heated by an Air Source System! It is very efficient, cheaper to run than any other equivalent fuel source and provides constant supplies of hot water! Why? Because my house was designed to take this system not retrofitted! I have underfloor heating downstairs, appropriate radiators upstairs and a thermally sealed and very well insulated house! High spec glazing ( could be improved) no letterboxes, loft and wall insulation. At first the noise of the external unit was annoying but you get used to it. The big downside, finding a service engineer who wont gouge your eyes out on maintenance costs and in a power cut you’re stuffed!
Excellent balanced factual presentation. Perhaps you could speak with our clueless Welsh Ministers who do not have any idea about energy provision and use.
i would prefer , a greta in a giant wheel attached to my house running inside it like a hamster, to generate electric for a kettle , shes happy im happy , save the world ,LOL
Heatpumps work great. I heard in your last rant that they work great in scandinavia because we insulate our homes. Don't know if that is the reason they work here. But i see that all the ranting is about hestpumps to get warm water. I guess most ppl in scandinavia use air to air heat pumps, and they don't heat water with them.
Paulus, how do you get hot water? Another factor is how much do you pay for your electricty; running a heat pumps in the U.K is about four times the cost of running a gas boiler due to the relative costs..
@@iareid8255 we have electric water heaters. Electricity is about 8p per kw/h including gridfees and taxes. But price v/gas isn't really the issue of the rant. It's that heat pumps don't work. All i can say is that they work very well here, but as i mentioned, we mostly don't use air heat pumps to heat water. Also the heat pumps sold here are somewhat modified compared to those used on the continent.
Paulus, Of course they work, but in my view not very well and the coefficient of performance is particularly misleading and flattering. The price is relevant as the government intended to take peoples freedom of choice from them, as they are doing with electric vehicles, and force a more expensive device, and in most U.K. cases a less effective one. What do you use to heat your water?.
Heat geek did two reviews of your heat pump video’s. Can you review their video’s? ..Or could you take them to one of your heat pump installs that didn’t work efficiënt ..It would be very entertaining i think
Roger, you've got it mate , think you should be prime minister, great rant, thanks mate, I'm lucky where I am living 100 % off grid, NO BILLS! it can be done! Keep 'em coming
I halved my energy bill, not with a heat pump but with insulation, under floor heating, and a change to LED lighting.
I did my homework, worked out the benefit that various insulation strategies would give me, designed my own heating system and got on with it.
No grants for the sort of refurb I did, but I'm happy to have a lower energy house that is more pleasant to live in.
How do you ventilate?
@@m4inline I live in a conservation area and the council won't let me replace all of the windows so we've got some controlled draught, enough to keep the place healthy. We're also not shy about opening the sash windows to vent steam from the bathroom.
I did look at mechanical ventilation with heat recovery but that requires a totally sealed house and that's not going to happen with us.
We're in the UK and get moderate weather anyway.
@@davidquirk8097 ah ok i was just curious. Mechanical venting does not need airtight envelope by the way. Thats kind of a myth. Its for passive design.
@@m4inline I was thinking that, when I finally get round to refurbing the bathroom, I'd put heat recovery on that room. I may end up with passive ventilation on our bedrooms because we live on a busy road and traffic noise means that we can't have the bedroom windows open over night. The recent heat wave we had was uncomfortable for my partner and passive vents pulling air through the house from the back rooms may help.
I guess what im saying is that I've got some homework to do with regard to ventilation if I want to drive my energy costs down further.
@@davidquirk8097 i am pretty happy with the mechanical vent i have. No mould and no mosquitoes. Where i live its like up to 40C in summer and minus 20 winter. I open a window in winter and my balls freeze off.
There’s a little National trust house called A La Ronde, in Devon, UK. It was designed by two retired sisters many years ago, it’s unique feature is it’s circular shape, allowing them to use different rooms depending on the sunlight coming through the windows, to warm or cool it. Recon they were on to something there 😜 What if heat from our cooker ovens could be captured, to heat water to do the washing up, and have a hot shower before bed? It’s similar to the old stoves with a back boiler behind it. My Nan used to cook, boil a kettle, sit next to it, and dry the laundry above it too, she’d even heat the iron on it. She dried our shoes next to it, and heated up an old bed warming pan too, all this from one appliance giving out the same amount of heat. it was the heart of the house. Technology comes up with individual ideas, but we waste a lot of energy/heat because each appliance only has one function.
What you are describing is the micro air source heat pump I have in my home. It takes hot damp air from the kitchen, bathroom or high ceilings and turn it into hot water at 4:1 efficiency.
@@charleslyster1681 ah interesting, thanks 👍 Would it be as efficient if we have the doors and windows open a lot? We’re like the authors wife, fresh air and plenty of air flow. I’ve lived in a house with heat pump / air circulation, it didn’t feel nice despite high ceilings, under floor heating and insulation, but it did keep the temp fairly constant.
@@FHRider-o1m if you let the warm air out then of course it won’t work as well, though in warm weather it will still function getting heat from the air. If you have well placed ducts in the bathroom and kitchen though it will capture plenty of waste heat. We also like open doors and windows but have enjoyed our ASHP underfloor heating for the last year. We have a downstairs bedroom so we can have the window open at night with a closed door and not cool the entire house. Obviously you will lose heat whatever the source when you open a window.
Brilliant... It's about being resourceful with what we have and making the most out of and being smart with what is already there. All of these miracle cures are just poor attempts to mask issues that won't change. There is a British architect whose name is can't remember but he not long ago completed a house which requires no heating at all. It's brilliant and is here on TH-cam if only I can remember his name. But why are the gov not supporting things like this. Smart designs or whatever they could be called. I made my heating more efficient by simply adjusting the front door which turned out to be poorly installed. Now with far less cold seeping in, the heating is on less and thus I have reduced my carbon footprint. There's not point putting in a slightly more efficient boiler if the house itself isn't doing its part.
The govt has banned back boilers. There you go.
I think half the issue is that in the UK you go from air sourced heat pump into heating water, which is pumped through radiators, that then heat the house - an unnecessary extra step. Just go air sourced heat pump and then heat/cool the inside air, get rid of that heating water step. Oh, and by doing so the air starts getting heated within a minute or so - food for thought.
Good idea, but that would require ducting to be fitted throughout the house. Then you would have to heat water with electricity. This could be done during the day with solar panels, but that would not work at night of course. Houses in the UK are very small due to land limits, so wet system heating has been the way ahead up till now, as ducting and other systems take up space.
Mini splits air to air heating.
The problem is, that heat pumps should be used with underfloor heating or a lot bigger rads as they heat water to only 50-55 C. there for you need bigger radiator (nothing is bigger the floor it self) . If you connect heat pump to normal uk rads of regular house they will not work
@@neziniukas86 the problem is you do not need to transfer heat into water, nor into a hydronic slab system, just transfer it directly to the room air. Simples :)
And where exactly are we putting these air vents and ducting in our solidly built brick and stone houses which have no crawl spaces and little space under the floorboards. The reason we use wet central heating is it takes up little space and was more efficient at the time to retrofit and use. Pipes take up a small amount and radiators of the time heated wonderfully with 65-70°c water. Oh and it also warms up our hot water too. We have some of the oldest housing stock in Europe and probably the world dating back to before central heating it’s difficult to retrofit such a system
nothing calms an annoyed human quite as much as hearing a kindred spirit ranting. bravo Roger
@@gpw203 its terrible how something can be so painfull, funny and true all at once
Very informative. Thank you. Insulate Britain are bang on. Why did the Tory remove insulation and solar panel grants...makes no sense
I don’t normally add my own comments but on this occasion I felt quite compelled. So I watched a number of Rogers clips on plumbing and found them a no nonsense advice, and clearly explained. Now I’ve watched this clip and thoroughly enjoyed the plain talking and yes some will possibly disagree but truth sometimes hurts but we do need to get out of our own personal boxes and look out for our beautiful planet and help it now! So well done Roger.
Roger, good to see you in the papers today. Please help lead the charge against crazy government policies that will make the UK poor and cold.
Those fuckers will destroy us all ! Electric cars, heat pumps, artificial meat, etc etc etc....even that t**t featured in the video telling us what to do...everything is a conspiracy ! I dont mean covid or others, but this new shit they force us to accept is unacceptable ( i dont even live in UK)
@@MrAlpinab7 so how are you suggesting we should hear our houses without releasing CO2?
@@daveansell1970 first get that Co2 scare out of your mind, they really really planted it in there. Planet has its warming and cooling cycles for hundreds of millions of years, when they only drove chariots and dinosaurs farted. Leave petrol engines, hamburgers etc and plant more trees, and invent another fuel that burns clean, if you believe that sort of thing, like alcohool , instead of changing the world and its people and their habits and everything.
@@MrAlpinab7 You strategy would be wonderful if it would work.
Firstly you are underestimating the rate at which we are changing the climate. It has changed in the past, but we are changing the climate much faster than it would normally change, and even the normal changes would cause issues for our civilisation. Broadly fixing the problem is cheaper than adjusting to it (eg sea level rise will mean moving 80% of the population, and rebuilding all those cities).
Planting trees wouldn't fix the problem, there isn't enough land. There are things we can do to take carbon out of the atmosphere (like biochar) and that might be the right solution for long distance air travel, and steel production, but we still need to reduce our use of fossil fuels drastically, and we should do the easy things first.
Technology on its own might fix the problem, but it might make it worse. If someone finds a way of digging oil out of the ground at 20% of the current cost it would overwhelm any increases in efficiency and green energy everyone else is doing, unless we dis-incentivise the release of CO2.
Personally I think the right solution is just to tax fossil fuels and transfer this money back to people in proportion to how much they use now, then everything would sort itself out, and if you want a petrol SUV you won't be able to afford to fly to minorca for your holiday, but you won't have to feel guilty about it. But that would piss off the fossil fuel lobby, so everything is half arsed.
@@daveansell1970 out of all these possible solutions what are they leaning towards ? Instead of finding a "cleaner" burning fuel, which basically means putting together 10 chemists in a lab, what do they do ? Change the entire technology, from internal combustion to electric. Scrapping hundreds of millions of cars in the world, demolishing industries. Why ? It's PROFIT driven. To make an EV probably costs 40% of what it would cost to manufacture an ICE, driving their profit margins up. Then comes the replacement of car batteries every 3 or 4 years. Another cost, but for us, they make even more money). It's all smoke in our eyes. These heat pumps are just another gimmick, a " saviour for our heating" which are pretty much an air conditioner in disguise, but triple the price for them to make more money. That'll all there is to it. More money for them. What's more expensive ? Growing a cow or growing cells in a lab ? More profit for them, the rest is just a story ! Not even a good one, just a sales pitch. Come on, people like this eco shit, i like it too, im not for throwing plastic into the ocean or terrible things like that, but i want to keep what makes me happy, a delicious hamburger, a good rev of a V8, a leather coat, etc. And WE all liked this stuff at some point in time. They changed us. Plant more trees, stop deforestation, clean the oceans, whatever, use eco shit electric technology for big polluters, industrial, not take my joy of driving a v8.
I used to work in a repairs contact centre for a housing association. They fitted a load of their properties with these systems and we were bombarded with problem calls from tenants daily. One of our call out contractors told me this was the worst thing anyone could ruin their property with.
This is what we are hearing
I was selling heat pumps in one part of my life. I was also responsible for service. You need 10 years to properly train service ppl to be able to service chillers/heat pumps properly. Small systems you don't service, you just replace it, it is way cheaper. Bigger systems it is very costly and difficult to do overall. For example, if you have a leak (which is common) you need to replace all refrigerant, find a leak (very difficult) and you have a chance it will happen again, 1kg of refrigerant can be a couple of hundred Euro, without work and small heat pumps easily carry 3-4 kg, bigger ones can be hundreds of kg. If water enters the refrigerant system it is a nightmare, can be days of vacuuming the system, replacing the compressor, changing the oil, get rid of contamination in the system. A repair can easily be thousands of Euros. Some repairs we did are literally tens of thousands of Euro.
I agree they are crap.installed these for over 40yrs in shops and office's repairs are mega cost and so complicated.I love mine but I can fix it ! Public are been coned
I've worked with GSHP and ASHP... Roger, I love your videos, your findings are exactly what I am experiencing and to watch this video is a relief for me! Thank you for sharing
Addressing insulation is always the first step to energy efficiency. Once that is done we found a mini-split heat a very efficient way to provide heating and cooling while reducing air pollution. That was important to us and our heat pump is doing that very well.
Here is an other idea: eat things can be grown locally and in seasons, like we did in 70's so we have not got to fly foods from overseas to cater for out of season demand.
Only tomatoes in summer and cherries for 6 weeks.
Aye, right
@@julianshepherd2038 We managed to grow things in greenhouses...
You are so spoilt Man!
@landyman33 There is enough land. Most of it is not put to the plough though.
In the 70s we ate things all year around as we do now. I think you are refering to an earlier time than the 70s.
@@rossbuchanan7632 cobblars, think of the war years.
Lower population than now,
Extra land given over to agriculture and still there was rationing.
I walk to the shops,a mile away,my bin is hardly used each fortnight but next doors is overflowing and they even use mine at times,I won’t mention their weight.Roger your spot on.🥴
Great video Roger! It's not often that you see the facts presented so clearly.
There not facts! He is so wrong on so many points
@@ryanandrews397 Such as?.
I am a homeowner in Huntington NY USA. My house was built in 1978. The house is 2400 square feet and is made of frame construction with exterior cedar shakes. The house has top of the line thermapane windows. My first Heat Pump was a Carrier Unit. I replace the original unit about 15 years ago with a Lennox heat pump. I would also like to mention that I have 65 solar panels on my roof which faces Southwest. The Heat Pump is a 5 Ton Lennox Unit with a Lennox Air Handler in the basement. During heating season I set the thermostat at 74F (23.3C) and in cooling season it is set to 78F (25.5C). Depending on how much snow there has been during the winter my total cost for electric for a full year will run a low of $150 to a high of $450. The reason for the difference is that in a snowy winter the panels are covered for several weeks and produce little electric. I have compared notes with my next door neighbor who has the virtually identical house to mine and he spends between $5,000 to $6,000 on oil PLUS an electric bill for the year of $2,000. I have another friend who lives nearby in a home with GAS heat and while his costs are marginally better for the gas, his electric bill is also in the $2,000 range. I have had 42 years of experience in a Cold in the winter/Hot in the summer climate and the heat pump works great. I have saved well over $150,000 during this time. Skill Builder is ill informed and is putting out Phony information. He should work for Mike Lindell of My Pillow fame.
A 5 Tonne Lennox unit for a domestic dwelling in the UK. Most would not be able to accommodate such a unit.
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@@raycooke2510 This is the trouble - you're all blaming the HP tech when it's Roger and his builder mates that are out there creating housing stock in the UK that is a pile of shit.
Roger I have a heat pump. Ground source, via two 50mt bore holes in my lawn. Had it for 7 years now and no complaints other than it is mechanical and has had a couple of issues. I fully insulated my home and put in underfloor heating. I was advised by the guy who sold it to me to do this, so no shark selling. It's much cheaper to run and you have to get your head around it doesn't give hot water but warm water, takes longer to heat the house so you have it running a couple of hours before you need the heat. It is the way forward but wont suit every property due to the insulation issues.
Hi Dave
I have not argument with ground source if there is the room. I have no argument with air source if you are not on the gas grid. What I object to is the use of a bribe to move people away from mains gas. It is not going to do much to cut CO2 and it creates a false market that will go bust when the grants stop. They think they will prime the pumps but look at all the other stuff they chuck money at.
@@SkillBuilder I actually cut off my gas supply when I did this as I could see the price increasing. They will have to get very techy if they want to replace all the gas boilers There is room to improve the design of the pumps just no initiative but with new money things may well improve.
Hi Roger, I have a gas boiler and radiators in my three-bedroom house, there used to be three of us using the house but now it is just my cat and me. Like your wife I like a cool bedroom (my cat doesn’t) but she hasn’t a vote so I win, in fact I have triple glazed windows, closed foam on the roof interior, and fifteen inches of insulation as well, my walls are brick with a three inch cavity that has been filled with insulation and apart from getting hot water for showers, washing up and shaving I have not needed to have the boiler going for over three years now, it is even cool in the summer and it has been red hot outside just lately. I will change over when they can promise me the same benefits as I have now. I am seventy years old and last year my power supplier gave me a rebate of twelve pounds because I get the warm house payment from the government ad had not used it all before I was eligible for the next years payment. And by the way, I paid for my triple glazing when everyone else was installing double glazing, I paid for all the insulation and cavity fill myself and now I am reaping the rewards
Hi John. Firstly congrats on reaching 70 years old 👏🏻. Why don’t you add another unit of triple glazing on the inside of the house so you have 6’ll glazing then open the window and add a window pane sized sheet of insulation for when you go out to the shops or the doctors? Might save a few quid ?
@@Steveuploads Hi Steve, you seem to have taken my comment as an insult, if so I am very sorry it was not meant to upset anyone, I was merely saying how I have kept my house warm. I did a lot of things in my seventy years on this planet and I spent some time in Norway, they are so far advanced and all the houses had triple glassing and that is way I got in installed when I came home. I was not trying to upset anyone or insult them with the lockdown due to Covid in the UK I have spent most of my time watching my favourite channels on my computer and I only watch channels that I find interesting and informative and I sometimes leave a comment but never an insult.
@@johnfithian-franks8276 John, I see nothing offensive or insulting in what you said. I too visited Norway in 1990 and was shocked to see how little they spent on heating. I was amazed at their building technology. I’m sure they could better afford to heat their houses in winter and cool them in summer being a rich country but they chose to be less wasteful and more pragmatic even back then. Good for you.👏
Don't let someone's sarcastic comments bother you. What I took from your description is that it's perfectly possible to make our homes very energy efficient by practical, sensible means. Triple glazing is something I'd consider, but with many large and/or picture windows and patio doors the cost to me is likely to be prohibitive - bit of a Catch-22 as they're all still in very good condition so it's not worth doing yet. My cat gets over the cold bedroom thing by sleeping on me every night!
@@johnfithian-franks8276 John, pay no attention. There are arseholes leaving comments all over utube and he's one of em.
Congrats, I was only commenting yesterday that it's nearly November and I've just put the heating on. My costs are very low so why would I spend 1000s on a system that's useless.
The only people that ever benefit from subsidized heating etc are those on benefits or people with a disposable income who get the grants and RHI from installations with a big upfront cost. Most of us working to live are left to pay increased utility bills with nothing to show for it.
ignoring the fact that the world is benefiting from lowered CO2... sure
@@HeatGeek Yes that minuscule amount of CO2 that we contribute to the Carbon cycle, sure.
@@nigelduffy6628 all the carbon released is made up of miniscule amounts bud. That's how it works... its everywhere!
To be more accurate though.. 40% comes from homes.. 40% of homes is heating and hot water... so not really miniscule
@@HeatGeek 5% of total Planetary Carbon from mankind, less than 1% of 5% from UK. Even less than minuscule, thems the numbers, bud, that's how it works.
I had a conservatory added about 7 years ago, made sure floor was insulated, dwarf walls insulated to max. I fitted a heat pump and never regretted the decision, it’s been invaluable in the summer not only to cool the conservatory but the dinning room and sitting room too. Obviously struggles for a bit on start up if sunny but works fine, as sun looses its power temp plummets. Biggest bonus is the dehumidifier effect, makes it so much better to breath in.
In the winter it’s so convenient to warm same area downstairs without heating the whole house, we have warm well insulated house and rarely have the main heating on in the morning even when temp out side is below zero. We get maximum use from conservatory being able to sit in the warm. Cost to run which I did research on before installation very low, because of intermittent use barely noticed on bill.
BUT, you are now tied to ONE, GREEDY CAP-HAPPY energy cartel.
Brilliant, you hit the nail on the head again Roger.
I've had a heat pump for 17 years and it was brilliant.
Oxygen is non flammable it just helps other fuels oxidise (burn)
It is flammable in a Hydrogen environment! ;o)
@@totherarf not true you still have a fuel and and oxidiser he referred to getting two fuels after electrolysis that's factually incorrect you get a fuel and an oxydiser it's like saying bread will cook itself then saying well it does in an oven it's the fuel oxygen and heat mixed that makes fire although with a concentration of oxygen in the mix it will most certainly intensify the combustion process in the same way N20 works in a petrol engine
@@totherarf trust me I'm addicted to the stuff
Oxygen is flammable.
@@kevinkearney9179 ok show me the hazardous data sheet for oxygen pretty sure it's non flammable compressed gas
Stationary idling is an offence under section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988.
The Act enforces rule 123 of the Highway Code, which states: "You must not leave a vehicle’s engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road."
I'd forgotten this was a rule! Thanks for the reference
OK, but how to enforce it? Almost never see the police around to catch people out. Some of those rules will probably only work if can send in a video/etc. and expect a result (noise problems would be nice as well, it isn't just heat pumps).
And how much surveillance is ok?
@@SyncViews here is one, make start/stop in cars none optional and add extra controls into it, like checking if car is moving. How about the gov put a few bob into that and make it part of MOT requirements.
If we didn't have so many road works clogging up the road, we wouldn't need to idle.
@@matthewgladwell1026 Then the cars are more complex, and expensive to buy and maintain. Their likely lifespan as an economic proposition will be reduced, and they'll end up at the scrapyard all the earlier. All that for some questionable gain in efficiency. An idling car uses very little fuel. The added complexity you propose would likely be less environmentally friendly, not more. The subtext of Roger's rant is, in my opinion, that government shits on everything it touches! A bunch of political chancers will not be the planet's salvation!
A mix of valid points and some that don’t really make any sense to me. The key point I disagree with is the attack on subsidies. In my view subsidies are not about paying for someone else’s heat pump but accelerating the development and reduction in cost of heat pumps to a point that subsidies are no longer required. This works, just look at electric vehicles. Subsidies in many countries are reducing because the technology has rapidly improved and costs have plummeted. Would this have happened without subsidies? Not nearly as quickly. So if we want to slow down heat pump developments and keep costs high then removing subsidies will do that. Another key area of disagreement is on hydrogen. I just don’t see it competing on cost once heat pump technology goes mainstream and other options like distributed heating are fully exploited. Overall I think this video is unbalanced, he shows plenty of examples of bad heat pumps but no examples of good ones. Anyone can find a poorly installed or maintained heat pump with a noisy compressor, but is this representative of all heat pumps installed? I doubt it. I do like to see some critical thinking about heat pumps but this feels too much like showmanship and creating some drama for clicks. Integrity should be more important than clicks.
War that speeds development up just look at air travel just a thought guns there’s another one it’s COVID haha tv is crap
Well said Roger. You made it very clear but unfortunately no one is listening mate.
Barmy Boris is scaring the shit out of me.
@@sunnyjim1355 Not really much difference Jim tbh...where’s jay Rose gone?!
@@sunnyjim1355 they're exactly the same.
I believe princess nut nut is behind his extreme view on these things, I am absolutely scared out of my whits for what the future will look like. The so called global warming problem is fabricated, human activity does NOT incease the temperature on this planet with anything more than microscopic values, still this lie is used to introduce a nightmare communist future, "you will own nothing and you will be happy", all for the "enviroment". Maybe we have to move to China or Russia as they are not going to force this as they had enough of extreme communism the last century.
Because he’s really working for the (world economic forum) United Nations agenda 21. Check out the Georgia Guidestones.
@@Andy-go7dk If what WEF is working for becomes a reality we can just as well commit suicide right now, as that agenda is insane.
One of the best I’ve seen from you Roger, only this morning I watched a short you tube interview with Lord Anthony Bamford regards the problems with going electric etc, his and his teams response has been to develop existing combustion engines to run off Hydrogen, utterly brilliant and fantastically well thought out, if you ever need an additional voice, let me know, keep it up Ben 👍
If only we had more pragmatic and truthful people like Roger in a position of power and able to make policy changes !! Great clip mate and all technically correct .Bang on !!
My 8 year old boy asked me today what he could invent to sell for a million pounds. I told him that a good energy source could be that thing.
Great rant, Sir 👍
Learn to code/program, design his own cryptocurrency, buy ferrari, retire. 👍
"invent ... good energy source"
There is no need to invent anything for heating buildings. You can make your home so energy efficient, that you don't have to worry much about heating.
As a low income house in a rural area. I need a heat pump to replace expensive oil, I have at cost to my self installed UFH and installed Dimplex Smart Rads, now I need the grant for my heat pump so I can finally have a heating system. I need the grant! Also good on you for telling off polluters!
Straight to the point. No biased BS. Nice work Roger👍. You've got my respect for sure
"No biased BS". So he provided only one side of an argument and that makes it unbiased?
@@EatingMachine23 are you in the industry? Watch he's other videos if you want to see the pros back when these were first introduced. You need to be in the industry to understand these videos. But if you want to give your opinion then go ahead. I'm listening
@@EatingMachine23 Yup he is full of shit!
They're utter sh*te. Give me a highly efficient gas/oil boiler anyday!
You clearly haven't used a good one. They are great.
@@guringai Clearly you are a snake oil salesman ... I install them, then come back to add a gas boiler later.
I'll keep my solid fuel all day thanks. Costs next to nothing to install compared to heat pumps and runs for virtually free
The experts have spoken.
Yes it’s all a scam, overpriced, under performing, cost an absolute fortune to run if you take away the rhi. The same chancers who sold solar panels then biomass are now selling heat pumps.
I have never understood why large residual areas are not heated with communal combined heat & power boiler houses. Also why are diy insulating products not zero rated for VAT?
under today's technology to produce nitrogen oxide sensor fo the cars is cost no more than 20 dollars lets ad the 20 profit and you got 40. They sell it for 300+VAT. People deactivating the entire SCR system not to pay such a horrible price and continuou polluting, and thats only nox where are the rest parts of SCR? No one cares. Green energy is as green as a dollar bill.
Or Geothermal like Southampton City Center? The system feeds the civic centrer swimming pool complex, hotels and I believe the shopping center.
This is how many of the former Soviet countries heat their houses. There are pipes everywhere transporting hot water. So hot you need to open the windows!!
Southampton is not on Geothermal any more due to Water Regsits CHP and does indeed provide a large area with heating and subsequently hot water at 75C temps
Be careful what you wish for. My wifes' family are from Eastern Europe and have central community heating. It is horrible!
It is baking hot to the point of being oppressive in the winter months. There doesn't seem to be any mechanism to temperature adjust either.
My Father in Law is absolutely obsessed with our combi-boiler and thinks we are incredibly lucky to have it.
Installed one my self cost about 500 quid. what's wrong with using air blown heating cooling, mine is still working after 5 years, right next to block of flats and no complaints
8:15 that's not a modern heat pump. That's a clapped out old air conditioner. My mini-split heat pump is extremely quiet. You have to size it for the application, or you won't have a good result.
Totally CORRECT. I have now installed a Wood Pellet stove. EXCELLENT! My old Heat Pump only produced about 15 c in winter!
Thank God, the voice of reason speaks the truth
All I can point to is the most inept, bent, lazy gubbermint we’ve ever had. BoJo and his umbrella has a bright future in the circus though.
£307 million 'per mile' for HS2. Get your head round that Roger lol
Trains are expensive, land is expensive, signalling systems are expensive, tunnelling is expensive? Who would have thought it.
They're digging up the fields a couple of miles up the road for HS2, it looks like a nightmare. Roads closed, traffic lights, queues, I couldn't even get back home on my bike the way I wanted along a bridlepath because the plant machinery had completely desecrated the path. Added another 7 miles to a long ride 🙄 and they've had to close the little farm shop up that way because apparently the side of the road belongs to the railway now.
Train lines are hundred year + projects upfront it costs but we have had our money’s worth out of the old lines
Hs2 is a load of shite and expensive and noisy it's for southerners to come up north and buy our property on weekends.
Oh I have an air source heat pump and no fossil fuel in my house only the wife
@@jtthe3rd634 The average human generates 330 BTUs every hour, so if you get a few more wives your house will become toasty warm.
If people understood the real cost of owning a heat pump even the subsidies would not be enough. Nobody talks about how much it will cost to professionally clean them every 2 to 3 years and what about the cost of repairing and replacing parts if you can find someone who knows enough to do it. There may be 6 to10 year parts warranty available but most don't cover the cost of labor. Again, if you can find someone to come out to your home on a cold winters night and then it's not going to be cheap.
Hi Roger, I live in Sweden.
You are correct.
1 - Most houses are very well insulated.
2 - Most houses have triple glazing.
3 - Heat pumps are used as a last resort.
However - District Heating is common - Hot water pumped through the town heats your home and provides piping hot water.
It is not expensive and IS very efficient!
That is, in my own opinion, the way forward.
I hear you ask - what is District heating - basically a centralised set of water boilers fuelled by burning waste plus the by product of factories - heat, as in paper, cardboard factories. You then have super insulated large bore pipe work throughout neighborhoods that supply heat/hot water to each home - I think it is superb - please check it out- it is called, in Swedish - Fjärrvärme - good luck with that - 😂😂😂
One of the greatest and most sensible rants I have ever seen! :)
Top man I thoroughly enjoyed your rant you talk so much sense. 10 out of 10 from a sceptical gas engineer,bring on hydrogen boilers!
Recent posts from the government admit that blue hydrogen gas boilers emit on CH4 than natural gas boilers
Went to a nice house in Scotland for a valentines weekend break 4 years ago. They had a heat pump the radiators were like warm to say the least. We asked the owner to have a look at the heating and he said it's on its maximum setting. The log burner was perfect but he spent about an hour explaining how the Scottish government gave him a big grant for it. Worse thing he ever did he said and was considering going back to his oil heating.
I run an Air Conditioning Company in the UK. What I cant get my head around is why they arent looking at putting ducted AC in lofts with ducting throughout the house, then just using heat pumps for hot water. Surely theres a heck of a lot of waste converting electricity to refrigerant, to water, to air.. Rather then cutting out water completely and just going electricity to refrigerant to air
Very true... Most houses in the U.S are ducted and always have been. Normally only the old brick buildings in NY have radiators.
I think it's because you need very big ductwork to move the same amount of air that A/C blows-and keep it quiet. However all these folk in their properties with the period features that they love so much, could consider using the chimneys as a route for ductwork. I'm quite happy with insulation and a couple of little minisplits.
Great piece Roger, I 100% agree about tax payers money not being handed to cowboy “heating engineering” companies that will probably turn out to be partly owned by mp’s or their family & friends. People tend to forget the government doesn’t possess money it’s our money their gambling with. I’m always amused when an mp says “we need to regain the public’s trust” thus implying that at some point in time ordinary people trusted members of parliament.
PS: The main thing that needs to be weeded out is predatory companies who provide th wrong type of heat pump, or over-inflate heat pump prices while delivering deflated engineering specification systems that are incapable over the full external temperature range of usage. They want to make a killing by providing inadequate systems at the highest possible price. This needs to be stopped.
What you describe was going on in the wet heating systems industry for years. Where the system was under designed and sold high.When minus winter temperatures struck ,the systems couldnt heat the building adaquately.
Great video! I work for the national gas network. Hydrogen is the way forward and we are not that far from it! Few small changes to any domestic boiler to accept it. Already built a small hydrogen network for a new housing development. Good clean facts in this video, well done. 👍🏻
I'll just repeat my comment in case you missed it: Hydrogen is produced using electricity and that's always going to be less than 100% efficient - possibly a LOT less. Heat Pumps are everywhere in other countries - they work great and are 3-500% efficient. How can you claim hydrogen is the future? At best it's a short term energy store for excess renewables.
One of the very best Rogers rants ever. Well done that man.👍👍
Guess how I stumbled onto this video. My piece of shit heat pump that I just had fixed last winter is now broken again. Not that I can tell much difference in the house, it was cold before it broke. If you want electric heat, don't get a heat pump, get an electric furnace and central air conditioning. Your electric bills will be cheaper and you'll actually be warm in the winter and cool in the summer.
Hi mate, i am extremely pleased you are putting your neck on the line by simply explaining the obvious truth. I am a pipefitter welder by trade who has worked within the commercial & domestic heating industry for the last 39 years & have experienced many similar heating problems, like you i would never advise the installation of any renewable heating/ hot water system. In my experience geothermal generates the majority of its heat from friction the pump creates because in many cases the pump is at the highest point and is full of air.
Love your rants Roger. Sensible and logical yet interesting and amusing. Keep it up
Yet a whole Norwegian town is heated by heat pump as are the new 3x24 floor tower blocks in Vienna. I have a reversible air con unit. Works perfectly. If you are installing get a professional installation with a guarantee of performance.
The systems you mention would be bespoke semi-industrial systems. With equipment selections and system design and configuration being undertaken by an Engineering team.
Heat pump systems do work, but they extremely difficult to achieve effective results with a domestic, commercially viable, off the shelf, solution. Even with Government subsidies.
I first heard about heat pumps 40 years ago, plenty of time for them to catch on. Now if governments had pushed for Nordic standards of insulation it would be different, but I remember at the time the claim that gas was so cheap.
Its easy when you create a massive surplus of wealth selling oil to fund it. We better start fracking if we want to afford that.
Despite the many issues and risks, Roger's conclusions (from 6:48) are that heat pump systems do work when properly designed, sized and installed by qualified heating engineers. That's certainly my experience with my own heat pump based system.
Hi Phil
Absolutely and the government's intended scheme will do nothing to enhance the reputation of heat pumps because they are never going to give you the same flexibility and output as a gas boiler. Once they do the game will change.
Lol, excellent Roger, maybe one day when the technology proves itself heat pumps may be a runner, but they’re certainly not there, Yet!
Great rant!! And someone's having a field day with the stock footage!!!
it was comedy gold! particularly liked 11:26 😂
preferred 8:55 myself, I'd keep her awake at night too. 😂👍
1:40 he obviously live in a fairy tale. If so lets try with the magic stick and invent such a perfect machine meanwhile the others will use a real thing like a heat pumps are, which thriving in most of european countries as PART of a heatring/coooling SYSTEM of a course
I get it old school master like he is, is terrified of new technologies. The same as old school mechanic is terrified of electric cars, can't work on them that's why must be bad.
@@altergreenhorn he's just been around long enough to know junk when he sees it. How long do the cells in an electric car last for? Five years? Then that's it? I've had cars that haven't even needed a trip to the garage in five years.
Hey Roger. Your videos are excellent, thanks and congrats.
Few seem to understand that if heat is taken out the ground ( by pipework of heat pump) then it’ll be cooling that surrounding sub ground space. Accordingly the heat recovered by heat pump becomes diminishingly effective equals disappointment.
Hi Drew
You are so right, there is this popular misconecption that this is geothermal heat but groundsource heat at that level is solar gain and a lot depends on the geology. If the ground has a high conductivity then the heat comes in from around and might keep up with the rate of removal but it is hit and miss and freezing can be an issue. There are cases where mounds appeared in the lawn of driveway.
@@SkillBuilder You are full of it, ground temps are area wide!
The companies that sell and install these, are most likely owned by friends and relatives of people in govt.
It's probably just ANOTHER way to syphon of public money to make them and their friends rich.
This is why there's money to be given out for this, but not for the NHS staff.
Is Dido Harding involved? I bet she's there somewhere.
In years to come I can see a PPI type claim coming from this, companies will promise you everything, people will end up with low temperatures and high cost for topping up to get warm.
Roger - spot on again - heat pumps don't work in most houses no insulation fitted in old houses in uk - change the gas network to hydrogen and we stand a chance of going green and heat all the old houses then try and upgrade old stock of houses will take years and years to do this but at least we won't have to do it in the next few years
Well said!
Heat pumps have been available for over 70 years now and haven’t taken off of their own accord.
Their lack of popularity in the U.K. and the requirement for subsidies and reduced electricity tariffs as an incentive speaks volumes.
Yes that is a great point. Why have they not seen gas boilers off in all this time?
Like a lot of things, I believe it's more complicated than you can explain in a short video and without having a lot of spreadsheets with real-world data to hand.
I believe there is a place for heat pumps but only if combined with other measures, insulation, ventilation, night rate electricity, mass thermal storage in structure, large water tanks or efficient storage heaters, solar panels etc. I definitely agree with you that the "hard sell" by the governments and various interested parties is blatantly dishonest, they sell the quick fix solution for everyone. I've had many friends telling me they are being promised the world by various people to change to air source heat pumps and being told they are essentially ground source in a box by, plumbers, estate agents! (why would you trust them?), builders etc.
3:32 Factually incorrect. Modern condensing boilers are designed to run at 60°C. They can run hotter but don't need to and don't function efficiently at higher temperatures.
Well it’s the return temperature that’s most important if you want them to condense and recover that lovely latent heat.
@@edc1569 AS I understand it, if the boiler is running much above 60 the flue gasses don't condense.
I love a good Rant Roger !
You have just hit the nail on the head so to speak.
Keep up the good work
I waiting for your next epistle
How about Solar Panels that should get you going !
Solar in the UK ! ... You couldn't make it up, these salesmen could sell flipflops to Eskimos
@@cuckingfunt9353 Thermodynamic panels...
2 Points I think are relevant:
1. We are already over-taxed for GREEN taxes and currently these green taxes are mostly NOT fed back to us. So a heat pump grant is the CORRECT use of this GREEN tax money. The justification for these green taxes are exactly to assist our society to move to a greener forms of energy collection/generation.
2. In my view airsource heat pumps should never be generally used (from your video it is these fan driven outdoor heat exchanges which are the source of the "noisey" heat pump comments). Also airsource heat pumps quit exactly when you need them most, at around 5DegC. Heat pumps for homes should always be ground source. The system must be designed correctly with sufficient in-ground capacity and placed at the correct depth.
So in summary I fully agree with you, when you say that a PROPERLY designed groundsource heat pump, that is decently installed (This includes DIY installations, which are some times better than so-called professionals) will deliver a warm and comfortable house all year round at relatively low cost.
Roger, thank you for this video. I fully agree that government subsidising is pointless especially for older existing homes. Most of them are not built to work together with a low temperature heating system. However, for new builds which from the first go are designed with low temperature heating systems there is no better solution. I designed my newly built home to include a 10kW heatpump which heats my 2600 sq ft home which is 100% powered with electricity. Paired with the 10 kWp photovoltaic system I pay peanuts for for my fuel bill (only admin fees) The house is warm in the winter and cool in the summer and I am very happy with the result. The entire investment was sponsored by the hard earned money which I earned. Never, ever, once have I asked for a handout. Thank you and keep up the great videos!
Love you rant Roger. Absolutely brilliant.
Love the rants Roger. Technology Connections has done a couple of excellent vids on heat pumps.
Great rant Roger! You have drawn attention to how the system works. Pay for one thing, then tell you that you can't have it and must pay for something else which does the same thing for example diesel cars replaced by electric. The list goes on. By the way - about 50% of electricity in UK is generated at gas powered stations ... duur isn't that a fossil fuel? So, ditch your gas boiler for an electric air source system using electricity generated from GAS. Bloody brilliant.
Absolutely
imo the government want to get rid of gas boilers in homes so that they can hog it all for the power stations, all this air source heating is just smoking mirrors for the public to think it's greener, I bet some big wigs are getting back handers.
Yeah except we only get 38% from gas actually and gas power stations are far more efficient then petrol cars at getting usable energy out of fossil fuels even when you factor in transmission loses and charging loses an ev charged on just gas source electricity is far cheaper in terms of fuel cost and co2 production. Btw 56% of our energy comes from renewables and nuclear energy. Check your facts before spouting nonsense.
Except heat pumps are multiplicative technology. You feed it 1kW of power and it gives you 3kW of heat. Rather than burn gas directly (call that 100%), you use electricity, which is only 50% gas (and as mentioned above, it's not even 50%), and then figure in the COP of the heat pump and suddenly only 17% of the energy going into the water is from gas. It's not 1:1, it's 1:6.
Hi amazing entertaining and well explained video. It was very easy to digest and Gain knowledge. Keep up the hard work. Many thanks.
35 years in the heating trade and I have just found this video! You need to be in Westminster! I'll vote for you and not because there's no one else!!! Hats off for talking sense buddy 👍👍👍
So refreshing to see someone speak some sense these days! 👍👍👍👍
Great rant, I really do not know what to do when my gas boiler fails
"Saving the planet" - George Carlin? Anyone? God, I'm a miserable, nihilistic old git!
Save the bees, save the trees. Save the whales, save those snails!
Eat those snails 🐌 😋
@@bigjd2k Vive La France! "Americans will eat anything. If you were selling sautéed raccoon's assholes on a stick, Americans would buy them and eat them." - George Carlin. Don't know if Roger allows links.
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Miss the old ‘goat’ (greatest of them all) George Carlin
"Pack you bags folks, we're going away!" ;-:
Save the mosquitoes !!! Save the cockroaches !!! Save the viruses !!!
Was impressed by the historical reference to the Sale of Indulgences. This guy knows loads more than he lets on.
I know I’m gonna get some people commenting on this but my wife and I have had solid fuel heating for years. I know it’s a fossil fuel but I use anthracite, fantastic heat, loads of hot water also. I know you have to de-ash every day and put anthracite in every night, but, that’s it for 24 hours just ticking over and the house sits At between 21 to 22 degrees. We have cavity wall insulation, loft double insulated and led lights, I have heard nothing but crap about heat pumps.
Fantastic video, thanks for telling the truth about them.
Kind regards from a small village in Scotland.
Johnny
Go get 'em Roger!!!! You legend you!!!
You're a good man, Roger!
Deep breaths Roger, deep breaths! Breath in, breath out, repeat as necessary!!!
Wow! Such a fiery presentation..
I am impressed..
Not that I fully agree with you, but the way you talk makes me envious.
I live in southern Ontario in Canada. I have a house built in 1924 with forced air gas heating and a heat pump used mostly as an air conditioner. However, my heat pump supplies me with heat during whole weekends and then week days between 7PM and 7AM, because the electricity rates are lowest during that period. And that seems to work well.
Roger: Stationary idling is an offence under Section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988. The act enforces Rule 123 of the Highway Code, which states: "You must not leave a vehicle's engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road."
You are right not alot of people know this just like most other things in the highway code aswell, unfortunately.
Great video. One thing i am always surprised about is no one in the media challenges the environmental damage caused by the race for space tourism! is it because the owners are billionares?
"Space may be the final frontier but it's made in a Hollywood basement" But still they shoot some aluminium cans into the ocean so small rocket fireworks polute.
Gas energy is 3-4p per kWh but only 70-90% efficient due to heat escaping up the flue. Electricity is 18p per kWh but 100% efficient. Divide by the COP if you use heat pumps. Gas still looks good economically, and with less technology risk.
The trick becomes easier than one think of: Increasing CO2 Taxes for Gas are just one Sign-off by your local government and your calculations are flipped over to heat pumps.
Nice Bird Rodger!!! Love the fishnets ;-)
Great video, some very sensible thoughts there, but not fashionable, so many won't listen! Love the channel.
Ime a HVAC engineer Roger and I am in total agreement with everything you said mate.
Well said Roger, I agree with you completely, but calm down a bit you'll have a stroke,
Can you please clarify that you are talking about Air Source heat pump. Ground Source heat pumps have less issues during the colder months.
Honestly, all of the problems and issues are due to poor advice and system design on the part of the installer/engineer. And yes, there are a lot of old school installers that don't know heat pumps and don't spend the time to learn a new trade.
It's more than that the the heat pumps do not work will you need them most in the bloody depth of winter. You are not being honest Rodger is calling it how it is l do hope the thought Police don't cancel him. These government runs games have a terrible track record look at what the warm front scheme did to people I have seen it done once on a ground source system new build new insulation huge field for the pipe coils in performed absolutely wonderfully try doing that in semi detached or terraced house idiot. There are plenty of unscrupulous companies going up to get their hands on money it wouldn't surprise me if something didn't people of influence investing in said companies if you to go invest in a beer cooler torture your neighbours with noise and get mugged off your choice
all of their heat pumps are being scrapped, right now
I'm not going to argue Roger's ability and knowledge, but we do know that; Every new technology starts with problems, but then the problems are solved one by one and integrated into the system. In the heat pump, all the problems mentioned in this video will be solved over time.
Hi Ron
This technology works and it has been around long enough to make it work well but the problem is simply that the houses need to be up to the standard. You have to replace heat at least as fast as the house loses it. If you do that you can use a heat pump but at 40 deg celcius flow temperature you need a very well insulated house. That is the crux
Your right the heat pump system has to be designed to work with the house it's installed in. That means you may need bigger replacement radiators and plumbing.
To me they make sense if they are installed beside the heating system you have now. They are great for supplemental heat or use on mild days but unless you tear out the entire existing heating system you are likely to be disappointed.
Saw a question "it is a matter who pays for net zero, the consumer or the taxpayer?" In my book they are the same thing. Another one " we need to tax the big polluter" My book there are big polluters only because us consumers consuming whatever they make, hence the word consumer.
This policy is the biggest con ever and I for one will not be falling for it even if my Gas Bill doubles.
Would be good to see a video on scenarios where Heat Pumps DO WORK. For example, Ground Source heat pumps with a large garden. Or Air Source with solar panels.
I have a house heated by an Air Source System! It is very efficient, cheaper to run than any other equivalent fuel source and provides constant supplies of hot water! Why? Because my house was designed to take this system not retrofitted! I have underfloor heating downstairs, appropriate radiators upstairs and a thermally sealed and very well insulated house! High spec glazing ( could be improved) no letterboxes, loft and wall insulation. At first the noise of the external unit was annoying but you get used to it. The big downside, finding a service engineer who wont gouge your eyes out on maintenance costs and in a power cut you’re stuffed!
@@sadoldgit313 our previous house was the same! To retrofit to our current 1960's semi is bonkers.
Excellent balanced factual presentation. Perhaps you could speak with our clueless Welsh Ministers who do not have any idea about energy provision and use.
2:40 insert just kills me 🤣🤣🤣 someone give that editor a raise.
Yes he does a good job and hardly anyone notices.
14:56 made me laugh also 🤣
i would prefer , a greta in a giant wheel attached to my house running inside it like a hamster, to generate electric for a kettle , shes happy im happy , save the world ,LOL
😂 😂 😂 Made me laugh mate. 👍
Get Greta to talk into a pipe and pump the hot air into your house, she's full of hot air.
Heatpumps work great. I heard in your last rant that they work great in scandinavia because we insulate our homes. Don't know if that is the reason they work here. But i see that all the ranting is about hestpumps to get warm water. I guess most ppl in scandinavia use air to air heat pumps, and they don't heat water with them.
Paulus,
how do you get hot water?
Another factor is how much do you pay for your electricty; running a heat pumps in the U.K is about four times the cost of running a gas boiler due to the relative costs..
@@iareid8255 we have electric water heaters. Electricity is about 8p per kw/h including gridfees and taxes. But price v/gas isn't really the issue of the rant. It's that heat pumps don't work. All i can say is that they work very well here, but as i mentioned, we mostly don't use air heat pumps to heat water. Also the heat pumps sold here are somewhat modified compared to those used on the continent.
Paulus,
Of course they work, but in my view not very well and the coefficient of performance is particularly misleading and flattering.
The price is relevant as the government intended to take peoples freedom of choice from them, as they are doing with electric vehicles, and force a more expensive device, and in most U.K. cases a less effective one.
What do you use to heat your water?.
@@iareid8255 we mostly use electric water heaters to heat our water.
Paulus,
OK.
Heat geek did two reviews of your heat pump video’s. Can you review their video’s? ..Or could you take them to one of your heat pump installs that didn’t work efficiënt ..It would be very entertaining i think
I enjoy these videos, no so much the heavy use of the inserted stock clips (all over the place), but hay that’s me. Good messages Roger!
@@SkillBuilder oh yes - I spotted that :-) 👍🏼
Roger, you've got it mate , think you should be prime minister, great rant, thanks mate, I'm lucky where I am living 100 % off grid, NO BILLS! it can be done! Keep 'em coming