Best review on the internet for big and tall guys looking to purchase one of these bikes. Really appreciate the honest thought and work you put into this video. Making my decision will be much easier now. Thank you!
noyzizi yup it entirely depends on your wants and needs, that’s why ultimately riding all of them on and off-road is the best thing you can do to decide for yourself.
And it was the CRF250L for me. I sold my Dizzer for the Honda because after racing dirt bikes for decades I have never had ANY bike with a better balanced frame and the complaining about the lack of power aren’t coming from people who know what the bike is designed for and everyone knows that it’s the rider, not the bike. I’m confident that on most tight trails and tracks I will lap most people on a 450 without even pushing the 250 to the limit.
Finally some one I can relate to...at 6'9 285 lbs..I have never before found someone who I could find perspective useful. I raced bikes for 20 years...great fun!
I've watched a ton of these comparison videos, way too many, yours is the best by far, you are so thorough and cover it from so many angles, thank you! After watching all the videos I'd started leaning towards a DR-Z 400 because they get so much press, but after this video, I'm back towards my earlier decision of going with the WR250R
Thanks for taking the time and effort to put this video together. I'm 55 years old, new to riding a motorcycle and really needed this information to help me determine which bike will be best suited for my preferred riding style. I feel much more prepared to make the right decision on my first purchase. God Bless
I hate to say it, but the idea for this video really just came about with the fact that it's stuff I wish I could've heard when I was going through the loads of bikes I've owned lmao.
@@OgreMoto you're doing many of us a solid one here. Not only is is great for general 250 dual sport advice for everyone but there's not one review I could find that specifically helps the big and tall market 10/10
Excellent review, and your thoughts are consistent with everything I've read and experienced. I'd like to give you and your viewers the perspective from a more "vertically challenged" rider. I'm 5'6", 175 pounds, with a 30" inseam. Frankly, the only viable alternative for me given my inseam was the CRF250L. Even though I've been riding for 50 years, including road, road racing, desert, desert enduros, I hadn't been on a dirt bike for decades so I wanted to be able to dab on terra firma. What really sealed the deal when I bought the bike in 2017 was that between dealer and Honda discounts, I only paid $3,999 for the bike (plus the tax/tag/set up BS). I thus felt financially entitled to immediately install the usual upgrades: FMF can and EJK power commander, 13T front sprocket, skid plate/bark busters/aluminum handlebar, and eventually Racetech front spring/valving and rear shock. I've just ordered a set of Michelin Adventure Wild 50/50 tires to eliminate another of the bike's weaknesses (the stock tires). The bike is an absolute blast. As you said, it's fun to ride a slow bike as fast as you can. Notwithstanding that I used to ride an '80 YZ465 power monster out in the desert, this "Little Red Pig" is just a lot of fun.
Awesome review my man! You covered it ALL, including all the little weird forum nitpicks and unicorn mentions (such as WR250R rear shock, flooded DRZ carbs, etc) Very helpful.
Thanks man, really appreciate it! And yeah, when you've owned two of them and spent a lot of time around the others you're bound to find out every little detail lol.
Great video, thanks. I have a lot of dirt and street riding experience (about 13 years) from when I was young. It's now been 27+ years since I've been on a bike, but at age 57 I want to ride again. My riding will be in town, country back roads, dirt roads, and some off road trails, & maybe the occasional off road hill climb, but nothing too difficult. I'm getting a WR because I know it can handle anything I throw at it, it's a high-quality bike, and since they've been discontinued, if I don't get one now I'll probably never have the chance to get one at all. Thankfully I just bought one and should get it in the next week or so. Can't wait!!
Awesome video man, I really liked how you went through the different scenarios of “if you’re this type of rider you may like the....” and so on, it answered a lot of my questions!
I rode the WR250R back when i was in the Finnish army and we did really push these bikes to their limits there. It performed fantastically and most likely continues to do so even now.
Bro!! This video is everything!!. I had a klx rode it for a few months. Just didn't have enough power, even with full fmf. Then sold it and bought a KTM625smc that bike was insanely fast WAY too heavy off-road and was geared way to high. So I sold it. Now I'm going to look at a 2008 WR tomorrow. Great video
@@Daniel-bw1ds I bought the Wr. It's a 2008 WR250X. I put a dirt set up on it. It's my favorite bike I've owned. Had it for just over a year and a month. Only bike I have never thought about selling.
Todd Rollins you won’t regret it, they’re fun little bikes! Just make sure you make full use of that RPM and flog it otherwise you’ll be better off with something else.
Great video thanks. I have 2018 WR250R and stock suspension is great after adjusting the sag and clickers to suit Weight and riding style. It makes a big difference and it’s free. I also fitted the GYTR pipe and this gives the bike more useable power down at low revs, and therefore you don’t have to ring its neck as much, or use the clutch as much. 13-47 sprocket also helps a bit on technical trails, without losing much top end speed. It’s such a fun bike.
Best 250 class comparison I’ve watched. Even got the DRZ review thrown in for free. I wouldn’t be afraid of the WR for a beginner. I had limited dirt experience (and that on heavier ADV bikes), and found the WR to be transformational. I bought a used 2008 with an upgraded suspension, and I’m constantly amazed at what the bike can do. The hardest part is learning to trust the bike. I may not be getting the most out of it, but I’ve never had an issue with the revs and low end power. Then again, knowing nothing is sometimes an advantage.
I own both WR250R and DRZ400SM (with a set of 21'' and 18'' swappable wheels). I also did a few test rides on the CRF and the KLX (2018) and I don't regret my choices. The WR is way better in single tracks where the weight difference is evident.
I am picking a WR tomorrow . I am new to riding bikes in general and only rode once a dirt bike track and I'm so excited to get back on it with the WR .
Superb review. Many thanks. It is refreshing to hear real world common sense commentary and comments rather than wannabe "experts" bs. Your comment about leaving some things as stock "nicht gerfinger gerpoken" was refreshing. How many people do more damage than good.
Ian Simpson you’re the first person to actually agree with that statement of mine. The WR just doesn’t benefit from power mods at all. 600-1000$ for 1-2hp is just stupid. With the DRZ you spend maybe 2-500$ and you get much better gains from jetting and a pipe. Plus with EFI bikes adding a tuner is just another point of failure.
Just got a WR because of this video mainly! Love it, but I’m your size and wear a size 16 boot. Any info on what a good set of pegs and shifter you would recommend? Thanks!!
Great all around. I was thinking of giving up on the WR250r and just finding a like bike. 250L and the KLX or DRZ. I think it's clear to stay with the 250R or 250L in my case for all the reasons you mentioned. Great feedback thanks again!
Thanks mate. So many reviewers bang on about the ergonomics of bikes without telling us how THEY are built, so, kinda pointless... I am a light weight, skinny old geezer, 6’4” with a 36” inseam. I am thinking of downsizing from my GS 650 (the 798 twin), it is a great bike and it fits me pretty well, but I only really use it in town (London). Sadly, any foreign adventure plans are cancelled for the foreseeable ... Something a lot lighter would be nice. Maybe I will miss the horsepower and top speed, but not the weight, the GS is a real bastard to pick up after a drop ! I think a WR250 R (or X , not planning much off roading...) might be just the thing for me. For some reason they seem to be a bit rare in the UK. I think it’s because of the licence categories we have here, once you pass a test on a 125 you can get a 650 or. whatever, so there’s not a big market for road legal 250s , 400s or the like. Anyhoo.. I’m gonna look for a used one. If I can afford to, I will keep the GS for a while too, in case I am making a big mistake . Thanks again for valuable info.
YAY ! ! I got one ! 2009, but only 6000 miles on it. Already got an FMF zorst on it, sounds pretty good, but it’s geared way too low (12/49) for my intended street use. New sprocks on order, I’m gonna try 13/45. Also need to get some more road-oriented rubber under me, it has massive knoblies on it just now, doesn’t feel very planted on the road. I still have the GS, which I love, but I wanted to try something lighter-weight in my old age. Funny thing is, the WR turns out to be much more physically demanding to ride, so far. Who knew ?!
Very good review. I'm 6'3", so I'm glad that I bought a WR250F. It's not a dual sport, and it's not good on road, but how light and easy it is on handling for off road is amazing. The power at high RPM is quite explosive. But the maintenance is quite involved.
Wow, this was an incredibly useful video. I like your analytical approach to things. The one thing I’m tripping up on is that out of dozens of videos where carburetion is mentioned as a downside of the DRZ, never once has anyone else mentioned it being hard to start once it’s fallen over. Mostly people comment on cold vs warm weather, altitude, etc. I’m not criticizing your point, but just trying to figure out how common this re-starting issue really is. To me, that’s a deal breaker, leaving aside the gearing issues, etc. I expect, as a relative beginner, that the bike will end up on its side quite a bit. The DRZ is probably the best fit for my size and needs and preferences, IMO, except this one point of yours put a huge doubt in my mind about it. If not for that I’d probably be buying one right about now. It’s about the only thing I can get, near me, at this point. I went to look at the only WR250R in the area and it was pretty torn up and a dirt semi-conversion, and they still wanted $7k. I guess now that they are out of production, they have suddenly become dipped in gold. Anyway, thanks for the great video. Lots of good points made.
@@OgreMoto Thanks for reminding me about that. I’d forgotten that detail. Kind of a bummer to buy a bike that is an instant project 🤷🏻♂️, but good to know it’s possible to fix it.
@@mike.thomas yeah it’s some emissions deal they put into it. Most carbs just run gas out of an overflow tube when dropped, but this bike actually dumps it right onto the cylinder because there’s no overflow.
Very good review man. I just got a 2019 250L and I wish you could have rode it with 13/42 sprockets and a full FMF exhaust. Completely changes the bike
Great video man. My brother has a drz400 and I have an xr400r. They are perfect for 50/50 riding, albeit I could use an electric start case on the XR! You can really feel that drz frame difference hopping between the two.
I'm 6"6' and I needed this video. Cheers! Yesterday I tried a modified BMW F650GS Dakar, which was even taller than the stock and it was *awesome* how I could comfortably stand up without having to crouch or lean forward. I need that if I buy a 250 cc dual sport :D I was actually leaning towards the CRF but when I tried it I had the same impression, it's not necessarily the best for people above 190 cm
Great review, especially for us taller gents. I have a 2017 Honda CRF250L & immediately had to put Ohlins front & rear suspension on it. I come from riding Kawasaki KDX & KX’s... too old for the motocross riding now.
Used WR250R for under $4000 with about $1000 in suspension would be my choice. I'm 5'10 and 153 lbs, decently experienced. Dirtbikes are tall you just have to deal with it. I know there are people lowering Yamaha's but unless you're under 5'8 I wouldn't consider it. Currently riding a 450L heavily modded and it's an awesome bike but my hands are sore for 2-3 days after a trail ride. Big power and big bike.
Every time my WR gets me happily through some crazy terrain that's well above my abilities, I take a second to shake my head and wonder why I even considered other dual sports.
Easy to reduce the top heaviness of the DRZ400S. Just swap out with lighter tail tidy, headlight faring, Lithium-Ion Battery, and remove passenger foot-pegs. This removes 9-lbs of top heaviness from the DRZ, which completely changes the handing. Add some bar risers and a KLX motocross front fender, now you've got a modern looking flickable dual sport. The 5 gears never bothered me, and I love riding on the street. To see how well a stripped down DRZ handles off-road, checkout the following video: th-cam.com/video/E8vCtdDIwTQ/w-d-xo.html
Appreciate the advice, but my bike had all that stuff done to it already and it still felt top heavy compared to the other bikes. I’ve actually been considering getting another DRZ for a supermoto again. Rider skill does far more than removing a few pounds. Pol Torres does way crazier stuff than that on a T7. Regardless, I’d never be able to do the stuff he does even on my current bike.
Bought a used 2018 KLX today with 1,278 miles. I’m closer to 72 than 71 and have been blessed by being able to own a ton of bikes. In my arsenal of bikes have owned 2 KLR 650. Decided to go with the KLX for two reasons. One, there are not many dual sport bikes for sale in my area of the country right now. And 2, I bought the bike for $2,851, which I couldn’t find one even close to this price. I weight 165 lbs and my inseam is a short 32”. I do wish it was a tab lower, may change seats, and I think I would like wider handlebars. Considering I have only ridden it around the farm little bit to day, I can’t give much feedback on how it performs. Other than the fact it’s light and fun to play around with.
I too have owned a KLR650, and my buddy got his KLX for $1700. Which the other bikes wouldn't have come close to in price, ever. They're the ultimate value pick of this list for sure!
i am 6 ft 160 pounds and COMPLETELY agree but feel WR250R to be Better than the honda crf250l on the road but you need t to know the power band is high up thank you awesome job
Excellent review, I think This kind of video is super helpful to many people! About year ago after seeing it, I got an used CRF250L because I thought I'd do 50/50 on and off, but I am enjoying off the most. I have upgraded suspensions, but still feel it too heavy so I am thinking on something really lighter, preferably with not so high maintenance. I wondered if you have any experience with older dual sport like TTR or DR 250. Thanks!
Great video sir, I just recently bought a new CRF250L purely because of where i live it takes 45min to get out my driveway and into town and it's awesome on dirt roads but it sux on the main road rev's out from 85kph to 90kph.... i don't want to push it to much bloody long walk if she die's on me. im looking at buying a Honda XL650 i like to have a bit more power to play with.
ive watched the video but im going to have to ask. im moving from straight dirt and trail bikes (2019 crf230 and a crf250r) do i just need to go with a husq or ktm to get what i really want. light nimble and smooth power. listening to this kinda turned me away from all of them.
These bikes will unfortunately be nothing like the dirt bikes you had. The WR250R is the only one to come close but it’s still heavy and underpowered compared to a dirt bike.
update? ... now that the CRF300L/Rally and KLX300 duals seem popular. Are you saying that the Kawasaki duals are noticeably lesser quality than Yamaha or Honda offerings? Thanks ... for your insights. I enjoyed this and your WR250R (no longer available, new?) video.
I own a klx 250, know many with them. and they are very reliable bikes. this review is somewhat out dated also, its 2020 and your reviewing the carburated klx?. wr is the best of this class, but the price doesnt really leave it comparable to Crf and KLX. should be two catagories.. KLX vs CRF L and WR vs DRZ.
CALLINyour BluffTODAY you can find WR’s and DRZ’s cheaper than the 250L with comparable prices to used, older 250S’s, so I figured I’d include them all in one video. And in the video you’ll find that I do say the WR and DRZ do compete more with each other and are in a league if their own. Cheers.
@@OgreMoto ok, i can dig that. Problem for some ppl is, the used dual sport availability is non existant in my area (Maryland) You either will over pay for a a beater or be waiting years for a descent bike well priced to pop up. I have never even seen a used WR for sale in MD, Va, or PA. only used DRZ's seldomly and last I saw was a 2012 for 5000... Sooo no really the best used dual scene. Plenty of MX bikes always for sale however, but prices never are great. Option is to over pay after waiting forever for somthing you like to show up, or bite the bullet and buy new. That said, when buying new IMO its a no brainer. The WR is an awsome bike, but after tags and titles and fees your paying around 10,000 for the bike, roughly 9,000 for a carburated DRZ or pick a honda or KLX up for 6300 out the door. Kawi is reliable, fully adjustable suspension and higher seat height. SO really all these factors made my bike selection a no brainer. If money wasnt at all a factor, I might be on a BETA 390RR. Thanks for your response, and thanks for the Vid, it is a good review. Just didnt agree with a couple things. Cheers buddy
@@callinyourblufftoday9670 Grab a friend, drive to another state, buy it for cheap drive it back. Alt: rent a uhaul motorcycle trailer for ~$20/day, mount a hitch on your car for ~$150, drive to another state and get your bike at a better price (towing with a car being much cheaper than with a truck).
@@andrewstambaugh8030 yea in a perfect world that sounds great. drove 4hours down to va. to look at a bike that was not in the condition i was told. I have a truck, drove down myself. Thats not the issue. You obviously havnt been shopping aroun lately. The pandemic saw bikes selling faster than ever. there was not many options unless I wanted to wait another year or so. I didnt. im happy. My point about the price was to pint out that its not really accurate to compare 2 bikes that pretty much nobody considers as equal bikes. i dont know anybody who would compare a klx to a WR, the prices and capabilities are too far off. Most ppl compare the KLX and CRF L and consider the Yam to be out of that leauge since the price and performance is not even a lil close
@@callinyourblufftoday9670 Could be the case where you are. I was speaking from direct and current experience, as I have been looking at bikes. I prices I was comparing were based on what I could find in WA and northern Oregon. For the $6k difference in price from a new DRZ vs buying used, I'm not making $1000/day, so I can afford to waste quite a few trips and still end up ahead. or even "overpay" for a used bike in good condition and still have enough leftover to buy a cheaper bike for a friend to ride with me. For me, the bigger problem is I'm looking for good deals. Bikes that owners love and keep don't often end up for sale at a bargain price. I'm mostly competing with my own miserly choice of budget and choosiness limiting me to 1 or 2 models of bike. Yeah, optimal dual sports and adventure bikes are less common on the used market. When I restrict myself that much, there may not be a decent bike at any specific time. As it happens, though, I typically don't waste trips, because I tell the seller that I live far enough away that I need to ask some specific questions first, then I make a offer - dependent on condition being as stated & not discovering something wrong. If they agree, then I bother to drive over. Between cars and motorcycles, I have had 2 occasions with an issue. In both instances, I ended up paying less than was discussed over the phone. Part of that was communicating that they (the seller) has already invested time into the sale. If they don't want to waste that and spend more time, it's better to sell and be done with it (convenience drives people so much more than money). I did nearly walk away from a car though, debating if it was worth it even for the lower price negotiated.
Great video System4t1c. Just picked up a WR250R myself and love it. QUESTION: One guy in your ride was riding a WR250R with 17 inch Knobbies. Do you know what tires those are and what the rider thinks of them? This is exactly what I want to do.
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The way I see it, if you're a regular sized and weighted rider, the best bike for trail riding is the wr250r, then klx250s, then crf250, then drz400 For normal street/city use, I'd go best would be klx250s, then drz400, then wr250r, then crf250. For best bang for the buck I'd say klx250s, then drz400, then wr250r, then crf250. If you're on a slight budget, you'll like the klx250s, if you're fine with a grand or 2 more, get the wr250r, you won't regret it.
There is no question WRR is best in class if you dont mind revving. But I like low rpm riding, and EU version KLX250 back from 2009-2016 had really bad EFI setup (made it slow). I would have had to buy ($$$) japan version EFI to sort it, didnt like that option. Bought CRF. As I'm getting better I'm reallising its engine is perfect, quality maintenance refinement all good. But for it to be best that it can be both on and offroad it would need new rear shock, revalving and respring (depends on weight) upfront, and a nicer seat for those long rides. Suspension would make the bike feel even lighter off road. Thats all $$$.. I'm still postponing it and trying to figure out do I want to go more offroad or more road for potential bike replacement as CRF got me a good taste of both worlds. If undecided then its like 600-700€ in upgrades and just countinue on, as this bike now has 22 000km and doesnt mind them at all.
The 250L is a great bike, loved my bud's that he let me ride! If you're looking for something to replace it that's similar, unfortunately the only thing that's in the same class as the 250L would be the other bikes on this list. You could always go orange if you want a better off-road experience (but then you'd be dealing with more maintenance).
Nice vid thx... Something that I think needs adding to yr vid..the fact the WR can easily be remapped using the GYTR . You mentioned it only comes on song at 5000rpm..the torque and power characteristics can be completely changed to suit yr preferences and even for each ride. With the later models 2020 on Yamaha provide tuning via a phone app meaning you can select different engine mappings as you ride.. for example an off-road and a road mapping...you can even create and design your own maps and save them...its very awesome. I think we all knew the wr is the best bike.. but when you add this engine mapping capability it's a no-brainer imo....then of course therz the WR250 F better than the R 🤔
The later model WR250R's cannot be remapped with your phone (at least here in the US). Strict emission laws prevent the bike from being tuned without modification. And even with additional tuning, the low-end only gets a marginal bump on the 250R. Are you just talking about the 250F in general? And yes the WR250F has more power and is more agile, but it's a very high maintenance, buzzy bike compared to the WR250R. They can't really be compared because they're totally different classes of bikes.
@@OgreMoto Sorry yes I was talking about the F... And yes it can be retuned here in the UK and most of Europe... And you can indeed tune it 'soft' so it's docile and produces torque at lower rpm..the difference is amazing.. It sucks you can't do that in the US didn't know that !.. I thought Trump didnt care about global warming ..lol 🤔 Sounds like time for a hack to me 😈
Great review, but still don't know what to get. I am on a KLR 650 and looking for a lighter second bike to ride trails. It would be so easy if the CRF250L were better off road. Sounds like the bike for me. If you put some cash in upgrading the suspension would it move up your list for off road performance? I hear others say "what's the point, just get the other bike". But I like the Honda!
You've gotta realize man, I loved the 250L and that was with just a respring in the front with thicker oil (very cheap upgrade), I even said that in the video. If it had suspension on par with the DRZ or WR, it would be a killer bike for the price. Although I still wouldn't rock one, but that's only because they're pretty cramped for super tall guys. If you're just going to be puttzing around off-road it would be fine. Otherwise, if you plan on riding more aggressively, get some stiffer springs and revalve it and it would be a sweet bike. The only big downside is the lack of clearance for the super gnarley trails. The benefit of the 250L, especially for shorter folks, is that the lower seat height makes it the perfect bike if you just want to go anywhere with ease. The WR250R is a little more difficult to ride for beginners off-road because of even less low-end torque and seat height, but out of these 4, it'll be the most rewarding to an experienced rider on the tightest of trails. Hope this helps!
Great review! Very thorough! I own the drz but really am interested in wr for its smother qualities. I agree, i never quite feel in control on drz. Front wheel feels jumpy. Im 5-8” 130lbs, maybe a mid skill rider( started at 46!) Ill use it around town( norther New Mexico) and on the numerous blm, forest roads here. Love to ship it overseas for some globe trotting. What ya think? Might lower with a yama link.
Honestly I'd just stick with the DRZ if you already own one. They're both good to the point where swapping from one to the other is sort of more like a side-grade than a upgrade. While I do believe the range of capability is better on the WR, it only beats the DRZ slightly so in that category, they're both such great bikes!
Hello, thanks for the great review. I had a ttr 125 yrs ago and now looking to buy the WR 250R. A dealer in Arizona selling a 2012 with 5000 miles for $ 6200. Do you think the price is too high for the miles on it? Thanks
Thanks for the comparison, really good content. I'm leaning towards the Honda (I'm strongly considering the Rally version) for its user friendliness a bit more range and hopefully better ergonomics. I'm 6.2ft and 200 pounds, do you think it will feel cramped on the regular 250L ? Or is it something that is not that relevant for 6.2 guy like me.
If you get a tall seat, raise your bars, and possibly buy some drop pegs for the 250L you should be fine on it. I'm about 5 inches taller and I could ride it in stock form. It wasn't comfortable, but I did it for literal days.
Thanks for the great comparison. I just moved to Phoenix from the East coast and with all the trails out here, I'm looking to get a dual sport to get from my house to the trails (no other street riding). I'm looking at the DRZ400 since I'm 6 foot 3 and 49 years old and not wanting to tackle extreme trails. I don't want the revving of the WR. Someone said that for his carbed ATV, he has to change the jet when he takes it 2.5 hours north to Flagstaff to ride in the mountains at a much higher elevation (8,000 ft compared to 1,200 ft). Would I have any carb issues riding the DRZ there?
The DRZ is a great bike you'll love it. And it depends on the carb. If you have the FCR carb upgrade that most guys do you'd probably have to. With the stock carb you'd probably lose a bit of power but it should still run.
WOW!! The sheer amount of thought and information you've put in this! Fantastic!! Now, would you advice against getting a wr as a first bike? I'm 6′ 1.6220″, 210 pounds and have no prior experience with motorbikes, dirt bikes, Mx bikes at all. I still ride MTB and rode BMX as a kid. I'm 40 years of age and want a bike able to take me wherever I would like to go within my limits and something to be able to develop my skills on for at least a couple of years. So would the height of the wr and how it makes its power be too difficult for a beginner? I will start on the street, get on some gravel roads, fire roads and eventually going deeper into the terrain from there, one step at a time. When it comes to high revving engines, I love them in cars, so I'm sure I will like that in a bike as well. Would you recommend I choose another bike as my first, or go for the wr? Any thoughts are really welcome, thank you!
The WR would be a fine starter for a someone who has no experience on the street, but the DRZ would be a much better learner for you in the dirt, just because it requires very little clutch input for a lot of situations where the WR requires a lot of clutch finess and much higher engine revs. Power-wise, the DRZ is just more effortless to ride in the dirt, but the WR is balanced better with better suspension. It really depends on what you think you'll be riding more.
@@OgreMoto I really appreciate your answer, thank you! I'm leaning towards the wr, I will just have to give myself time to learn good clutch control and take that as a challenge. With a drz I see myself too frustrated over different carburettor issues. Where I live the temperature varies between 5 and 80 degrees and I know I will drop the bike quite a lot. So my mind is now set on the wr. Most other people in my country starts out on naked bikes or sport bikes from 650cc and up, so someone needs to take a different path, right? 😄 Take care and thanks again!
@@swedbear4035 You're absolutely welcome man. Living in an area with -40F to 110F temperatures I too needed a fuel injected bike. Plus that DRZ carb was just killer when you dropped it! Good luck!
I am renting out enduros and adv bikes in Asia, I can tell you that the KLX ist way stronger and more capable offroad than the CRF. The main reason why ppl buy honda (here) is the lower parts cost. Suspension on the CRF is barely enough for the road, useless offroad. The CRF rally is a good touring bike for one up, with better sussy than reagular model but as a plain enduro the KLX is way better out of the box.
selfhealing.academy deutsch I had the complete opposite experience in one aspect. The KLX had lots of trouble with quality once the going got rough, but it’s reassuring to hear an opinion that states otherwise! I completely agree about suspension and off-road ability, I stated the same as what you said above in the video. I just find the KLX to be more chinsey and cheaply made.
@@dangerdanadv1445 I pretty much meant exactly what I said. I mean no offense by it I'm just stating my experience. His kickstand completely broke off the frame where it's welded, manual cam chain tensioner failed at 4k miles, stock bars destroyed on the first slight drop he had, tweaked his subframe on a downhill drop, and his footpeg mount got bent upwards going through a rut on some single track. This was all within 1 year of ownership mind you. Whenever we went riding, it seemed like something was always breaking on the KLX whereas my other buddies and I rarely had issues.
@@OgreMoto no offense taken, I was genuinely wondering what you were specifically referring to. The only thing on that list that doesn't surprise me is the subframe, cuz the KLX is pretty well known to have a weak subframe. That's my one complaint about it. I also never thought about the foot pegs because they were too tiny by default and replaced mine within a week with a beefier set. Same for bars, most bikes have shitty stock bars. I replaced mine early on for ergonomics as well. That probably explains a lot of the gap in your experience vs my experience with the klx250.
Any updated thoughts now that the 300’s are available? I’m looking for a small dual sport to compliment my Tiger 900. Something I can build skills on and most importantly ride alone
The points on the WR were spot on. Gotta be willing to go a little faster off road and commit to get the power up there. Either that, use the clutch a ton, or gear it down a bit. If you start jumping the bike, you WILL feel the rebound issue in the rear shock. Otherwise it’s fine
SySTeM4T1c that would make sense. I weight 170lbs, so I’m on the lighter side of mid-weight. Only time I ever notice the rebound issue is when jumping it off smaller jumps with abrupt transitions. It feels like that back end just wants to fly up there haha
The gas won't go bad if the bike sits for 5/6 months, If you run some Stabil in the fuel before storing it. I lived in Alaska for 37 years, and always stored my machines after running Stabil through the system first.. ( Prevents the fuel from breaking down or gumming up )
Gas absolutely does go bad in 6 months, even with Stabil. Stabil is not a cure. Project Farm proved that. Quick research shows gasoline only has a shelf life of 3-6 months before it starts to break down. There’s so many different factors involved like quality of gas, how long it has been sitting in their reservoir, and whether or not it contaminated with water or other elements that it’s not even worth debating about this honestly though.
@@OgreMoto I can only go by my own experiences, worked every time for me, up to 7 months in storage. To bad that it didn't work like that for others...
@@johnganshow5536 Yeah, if that was my experience I'd be a much happier man lmao. All of the gas stations in my area are supplied by the same company so I'm sure that's why my petrol is shit.
Pure Gasoline used to last a lot longer before they started adding ethanol into it. Now it more attracts water and oxygen which breaks it down quicker.
Thx so much. I am new to off-road but do practice on motorcross and flat track and a little I wood. Probably 5 or 6 times and lesson. I want to ride local adventure and ride to the motor cross. I want the wr but want to under Understand on technical single track where is sweet spot on wr. You 5000 plus rev bothers me?
Usually on single track I'm running really low revs in 2nd or 3rd gear slipping the clutch a lot. My buddy is of the other mentality and just goes no clutch basically top of first all the time probably running 7-11k RPM's. It basically depends on how you wanna ride it really. I have a much more controlled style of riding and my buddy's is much more agressive.
Thx I am 6 3 and 230 and think this is what i will go with and also will probably get the T7 with trade in if my vstrom. Heard they might come out with a teneree 300
Just a quick note for a winter pause fuel problem. What causes the problem either for injectors and carbs is the alcohol that separates from the fuel and falls on the bottom of the tank so when you turn the engine on it sucks in the alcohol first. Solution to this are the fuel additives designed for keeping the fuel intact during the winter pause. Sorry for my bad english. I wonder could it be the best solution to empty the tank before winter and when the riding season begins just to fill the tank with fresh fuel. Gasoline and alcohol evaporate. But what if some water remains in the tank?
@@OgreMoto I guess that draining up the fuel system would be the best option but I have no experience. I suggest you contact Tremonte. He's a cool guy allways willing to share knowledge. He recomends buying a non ethanol fuel which costs a little bit more than the premium but it doesn't cause you trouble later. th-cam.com/video/M5Df4Na7wVI/w-d-xo.html
Jurica Grčević I’ve always used the premium (non ethanol) fuel in all my bikes and small engines. It doesn’t matter what you do, gas just goes bad after many months of no use. To be fair though, I’ve never had a problem with any of my fuel injected bikes, only the carb’d ones.
@@OgreMoto I'm checking out available videos on TH-cam on this topic and the conclusion is to stick with the additives, keeping the fuel tank full to prevent it from rusting and at least once in 3 weeks taking a half hour ride. That way your battery won't die and the machine is kept lubricated. Check this video out. th-cam.com/video/md4P57Hkm7s/w-d-xo.html
@@Jurica-mtb Taking a ride during the winter isn't very plausible where I live when we experience cold snaps of -40 degrees celcius and have ice and slush for a good 4-5 months out of the year.
I'm currently deciding between a WR and DRZ and am lost as to which will be better for me. I want to use it for commuting about 3 or 4 days a week over the summer months, but when i do go off road due to where i live its lots of water and mud and climbing trees and stumps. The best bike I've currently been on is actually my dads old dt125 due to the first gear being super low (like 10km/h in the power band). Ideally im looking to find something that is closest to that while being able to hit 60-65mph. The low first gear is probably a necessity as i own a klr 650 currently and cant use it for the terrain due to the weight and high first gear, even with a sprocket change. Knowing how I ride and what i want to do i can't decide if the torque of the drz is going to be necessary or if the first gear on the wr is low enough to get me moving over logs and rocks. Outside of the slow going rough terrain i think the WR makes more sense to me but any input would be appreciated.
Lastoftheairplan the WR is going to be easier to keep upright and balance in the slow, technical sections and can easily hop logs if you’ve got the clutch control down, but if you’re less experienced the DRZ will definitely be better at it! One of the main reasons the DRZ has so much torque is because of its super close ratio and low geared transmission. If you gear the WR super low it’d probably be just as good and it’s fine stringing alone doing 7-8000rpms all day long.
@@OgreMoto thanks. Ive got decent clutch experience running gutless 2 stroke enduros through the trails here so especially with the power coming on like what im used to i think im gonna look to get the wr.
Great video! Timely as well. I'm shopping for a new dual sport now. I have an 85 XL250R now, I'm ok with the power, really like the balance and ergos. Which would you recommend as a replacement? WR is a stretch for my budget.
@@OgreMoto I have an ST1300 for street and touring. I use the XL 80 percent dirt. I do have to do a couple of 70mph sections to get to the dirt. I had tried a KLX250 a long time ago and thought is was anemic compared to the dual carb, 4 valve XL250R. It's difficult to get real data but it looks like Honda has not improved power to weight much since then. Still about 23hp/325lbs more or less. I am thinking DRZ400 for better power and reliability. I know it's older technology but like you say, coming from an 85, I won't know any better. ;-)
@@warrensmith792 If only one could still buy a new XR400R. :-) Ended up getting the DRZ. Hated it at first. Put motorcross tires and a lowering kit. Like it a lot now. Has a lot of range except the single track stuff. Really feel the weight there.
Wanted so bad the new royal enfield himalayan any year of production but finally after a long time riding cruisers went back to dual sport with a crf250l mainly due to making a good deal but if I found a good klr or any suzuki would've made a deal on that but we will see the long term on how its gonna go
@@franmitch3589 Eh, I’ll redo the phrase then. The best dual-sport is the one you have right now! I’m not a big fan of anything else besides dual-sports tbch.
Imo I would say the CRF250L is the most well mannered on the highway. If you’re looking for just most outright power on the highway DRZ is the way to go though. But in the grand scheme of things, none of these bikes will be good for interstate jaunts.
Best review on the internet for big and tall guys looking to purchase one of these bikes. Really appreciate the honest thought and work you put into this video. Making my decision will be much easier now. Thank you!
Thanks man. I think this is the review everyone has been looking for. I’ve been undecided about the Drz and Wr for a while now. Wr it is!
You’re absolutely welcome man, I figured I’d make a video sharing a few thoughts I wish I would’ve heard before buying any of these!
Thanks for the kind words!
I sold my wr for a drz. Different strokes for different folks.
noyzizi yup it entirely depends on your wants and needs, that’s why ultimately riding all of them on and off-road is the best thing you can do to decide for yourself.
And it was the CRF250L for me. I sold my Dizzer for the Honda because after racing dirt bikes for decades I have never had ANY bike with a better balanced frame and the complaining about the lack of power aren’t coming from people who know what the bike is designed for and everyone knows that it’s the rider, not the bike. I’m confident that on most tight trails and tracks I will lap most people on a 450 without even pushing the 250 to the limit.
Finally some one I can relate to...at 6'9 285 lbs..I have never before found someone who I could find perspective useful.
I raced bikes for 20 years...great fun!
I've watched a ton of these comparison videos, way too many, yours is the best by far, you are so thorough and cover it from so many angles, thank you! After watching all the videos I'd started leaning towards a DR-Z 400 because they get so much press, but after this video, I'm back towards my earlier decision of going with the WR250R
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If you change the back suspension and like to rev the bike a lot you are fine
Thanks for taking the time and effort to put this video together. I'm 55 years old, new to riding a motorcycle and really needed this information to help me determine which bike will be best suited for my preferred riding style. I feel much more prepared to make the right decision on my first purchase. God Bless
Weeks of research and Google...all I needed was this all along. 6'7" 240lbs much love
I hate to say it, but the idea for this video really just came about with the fact that it's stuff I wish I could've heard when I was going through the loads of bikes I've owned lmao.
@@OgreMoto you're doing many of us a solid one here. Not only is is great for general 250 dual sport advice for everyone but there's not one review I could find that specifically helps the big and tall market 10/10
@@redzflip Glad I could help man! Thanks!
Excellent review, and your thoughts are consistent with everything I've read and experienced. I'd like to give you and your viewers the perspective from a more "vertically challenged" rider. I'm 5'6", 175 pounds, with a 30" inseam. Frankly, the only viable alternative for me given my inseam was the CRF250L. Even though I've been riding for 50 years, including road, road racing, desert, desert enduros, I hadn't been on a dirt bike for decades so I wanted to be able to dab on terra firma. What really sealed the deal when I bought the bike in 2017 was that between dealer and Honda discounts, I only paid $3,999 for the bike (plus the tax/tag/set up BS). I thus felt financially entitled to immediately install the usual upgrades: FMF can and EJK power commander, 13T front sprocket, skid plate/bark busters/aluminum handlebar, and eventually Racetech front spring/valving and rear shock. I've just ordered a set of Michelin Adventure Wild 50/50 tires to eliminate another of the bike's weaknesses (the stock tires). The bike is an absolute blast. As you said, it's fun to ride a slow bike as fast as you can. Notwithstanding that I used to ride an '80 YZ465 power monster out in the desert, this "Little Red Pig" is just a lot of fun.
Awesome review my man! You covered it ALL, including all the little weird forum nitpicks and unicorn mentions (such as WR250R rear shock, flooded DRZ carbs, etc) Very helpful.
Thanks man, really appreciate it! And yeah, when you've owned two of them and spent a lot of time around the others you're bound to find out every little detail lol.
Finally I can relate, im 14'4 and 3500 pounds great video
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😉 honestly tho very informative 👌
Great vid! I'm 6'8" 260 and everything you said about these bikes is spot on..
This is literally THE best real life comparison video and I just wanna say thanks! Ride on.
Thanks for the honest and complete run-down. Plus, tall guy high five.
Great video, thanks. I have a lot of dirt and street riding experience (about 13 years) from when I was young. It's now been 27+ years since I've been on a bike, but at age 57 I want to ride again. My riding will be in town, country back roads, dirt roads, and some off road trails, & maybe the occasional off road hill climb, but nothing too difficult. I'm getting a WR because I know it can handle anything I throw at it, it's a high-quality bike, and since they've been discontinued, if I don't get one now I'll probably never have the chance to get one at all. Thankfully I just bought one and should get it in the next week or so. Can't wait!!
Awesome video man, I really liked how you went through the different scenarios of “if you’re this type of rider you may like the....” and so on, it answered a lot of my questions!
I rode the WR250R back when i was in the Finnish army and we did really push these bikes to their limits there. It performed fantastically and most likely continues to do so even now.
Bro!! This video is everything!!. I had a klx rode it for a few months. Just didn't have enough power, even with full fmf. Then sold it and bought a KTM625smc that bike was insanely fast WAY too heavy off-road and was geared way to high. So I sold it. Now I'm going to look at a 2008 WR tomorrow. Great video
Jamin Clardy thanks man! You won’t be disappointed if you decide to buy it!
How are you finding the WR? Looking at buying an 08 aswell, but they're very rare in Europe.
I'm going to try and get the supermoto version. (WR250X)
@@Daniel-bw1ds I bought the Wr. It's a 2008 WR250X. I put a dirt set up on it. It's my favorite bike I've owned. Had it for just over a year and a month. Only bike I have never thought about selling.
Your final thoughts were rather thorough. Appreciated.
Best bike review I have seen! Bravo
Thank you for this public service! 6'4" 245# V-strom650 rider, considering WR250R.
Todd Rollins you won’t regret it, they’re fun little bikes! Just make sure you make full use of that RPM and flog it otherwise you’ll be better off with something else.
I am 6ft4 have a wr250r and absolutely love it!
Awesome man! I love mine as well!
Great video thanks. I have 2018 WR250R and stock suspension is great after adjusting the sag and clickers to suit Weight and riding style. It makes a big difference and it’s free. I also fitted the GYTR pipe and this gives the bike more useable power down at low revs, and therefore you don’t have to ring its neck as much, or use the clutch as much. 13-47 sprocket also helps a bit on technical trails, without losing much top end speed. It’s such a fun bike.
Gloss Black agreed! Thanks for watching!
Awesome video, was looking exact for this type in depth explanation!
Thank you
You're absolutely welcome man, thanks for the kind words!
Thank god, a tall rider! Thanks to Yamaha too for making a bike okay for tallers.
This guys voice is both soothing but scary for some reason, great video!
lmao, thanks man!
Best 250 class comparison I’ve watched. Even got the DRZ review thrown in for free.
I wouldn’t be afraid of the WR for a beginner. I had limited dirt experience (and that on heavier ADV bikes), and found the WR to be transformational. I bought a used 2008 with an upgraded suspension, and I’m constantly amazed at what the bike can do. The hardest part is learning to trust the bike. I may not be getting the most out of it, but I’ve never had an issue with the revs and low end power. Then again, knowing nothing is sometimes an advantage.
excellent comparison and amazing objectivity! Best review I've heard about these bikes and I've watched or read a lot of them.
I own both WR250R and DRZ400SM (with a set of 21'' and 18'' swappable wheels). I also did a few test rides on the CRF and the KLX (2018) and I don't regret my choices. The WR is way better in single tracks where the weight difference is evident.
Marc Paradis I agree Marc!
Best comparison video I've ever seen!
I am picking a WR tomorrow . I am new to riding bikes in general and only rode once a dirt bike track and I'm so excited to get back on it with the WR .
Superb review. Many thanks. It is refreshing to hear real world common sense commentary and comments rather than wannabe "experts" bs. Your comment about leaving some things as stock "nicht gerfinger gerpoken" was refreshing. How many people do more damage than good.
Ian Simpson you’re the first person to actually agree with that statement of mine. The WR just doesn’t benefit from power mods at all. 600-1000$ for 1-2hp is just stupid. With the DRZ you spend maybe 2-500$ and you get much better gains from jetting and a pipe. Plus with EFI bikes adding a tuner is just another point of failure.
Just got a WR because of this video mainly! Love it, but I’m your size and wear a size 16 boot. Any info on what a good set of pegs and shifter you would recommend? Thanks!!
I think this video helps me quite a bit, in the market for a new enduro/dual sport. Im 6F5 so the taller ride perspective helps a lot.
Thanks for your videos I've bought a Wr250r and I absolutely love it
I recently purchased a 2004 WR250F and I feel like now I’m being spoon fed these WR biased videos, but I am so happy with my choice.
Great all around. I was thinking of giving up on the WR250r and just finding a like bike. 250L and the KLX or DRZ. I think it's clear to stay with the 250R or 250L in my case for all the reasons you mentioned. Great feedback thanks again!
Thanks mate. So many reviewers bang on about the ergonomics of bikes without telling us how THEY are built, so, kinda pointless...
I am a light weight, skinny old geezer, 6’4” with a 36” inseam. I am thinking of downsizing from my GS 650 (the 798 twin), it is a great bike and it fits me pretty well, but I only really use it in town (London).
Sadly, any foreign adventure plans are cancelled for the foreseeable ...
Something a lot lighter would be nice. Maybe I will miss the horsepower and top speed, but not the weight, the GS is a real bastard to pick up after a drop !
I think a WR250 R (or X , not planning much off roading...) might be just the thing for me.
For some reason they seem to be a bit rare in the UK. I think it’s because of the licence categories we have here, once you pass a test on a 125 you can get a 650 or. whatever, so there’s not a big market for road legal 250s , 400s or the like.
Anyhoo.. I’m gonna look for a used one. If I can afford to, I will keep the GS for a while too, in case I am making a big mistake . Thanks again for valuable info.
You're welcome! Thank you for the kind words! Hope you find what you're looking for Jon!
YAY ! !
I got one ! 2009, but only 6000 miles on it. Already got an FMF zorst on it, sounds pretty good, but it’s geared way too low (12/49) for my intended street use. New sprocks on order, I’m gonna try 13/45.
Also need to get some more road-oriented rubber under me, it has massive knoblies on it just now, doesn’t feel very planted on the road.
I still have the GS, which I love, but I wanted to try something lighter-weight in my old age.
Funny thing is, the WR turns out to be much more physically demanding to ride, so far.
Who knew ?!
@@longjonwhite Hell yeah! Have fun with it! 12/49 is super aggressive though!
The new CRF 300 L is looking amazing. More power, less weight!
Hell yah it is! Can’t wait to test one out!
I enjoyed this! great voice my man, good bike info ftw
Very good review. I'm 6'3", so I'm glad that I bought a WR250F. It's not a dual sport, and it's not good on road, but how light and easy it is on handling for off road is amazing. The power at high RPM is quite explosive. But the maintenance is quite involved.
From what I’ve heard the only thing those have in common is a similar name.
GaretC yup that’s absolutely right, the 250F and 250R are completely different bikes.
@@OgreMoto just like the XR650l and 650r then
0xsergy exactly
@@0xsergy Oh I didn't know that. good to know
Very very VERY good review video my man...you're a natural and you got a sub.👍
Thank you!
Wow, this was an incredibly useful video. I like your analytical approach to things.
The one thing I’m tripping up on is that out of dozens of videos where carburetion is mentioned as a downside of the DRZ, never once has anyone else mentioned it being hard to start once it’s fallen over. Mostly people comment on cold vs warm weather, altitude, etc.
I’m not criticizing your point, but just trying to figure out how common this re-starting issue really is. To me, that’s a deal breaker, leaving aside the gearing issues, etc. I expect, as a relative beginner, that the bike will end up on its side quite a bit. The DRZ is probably the best fit for my size and needs and preferences, IMO, except this one point of yours put a huge doubt in my mind about it. If not for that I’d probably be buying one right about now. It’s about the only thing I can get, near me, at this point.
I went to look at the only WR250R in the area and it was pretty torn up and a dirt semi-conversion, and they still wanted $7k. I guess now that they are out of production, they have suddenly become dipped in gold.
Anyway, thanks for the great video. Lots of good points made.
It’s an issue if you have the stock BSR36 carb on the S or SM model. Get a Lectron or FCR carb and it wouldn’t be an issue.
@@OgreMoto Thanks for reminding me about that. I’d forgotten that detail. Kind of a bummer to buy a bike that is an instant project 🤷🏻♂️, but good to know it’s possible to fix it.
@@mike.thomas yeah it’s some emissions deal they put into it. Most carbs just run gas out of an overflow tube when dropped, but this bike actually dumps it right onto the cylinder because there’s no overflow.
Subscribed because I have never seen reviews by someone taller than me before.
Thanks. Very insightful and detailed review. Found this very useful. Also, great footage, poor tree ;)
Very good review man. I just got a 2019 250L and I wish you could have rode it with 13/42 sprockets and a full FMF exhaust. Completely changes the bike
JHUM 22 sprockets makes a huge difference!
I'm sure it's a blast! I liked my friends bike even stock. Thanks for the kind words, cheers!
Great video man. My brother has a drz400 and I have an xr400r. They are perfect for 50/50 riding, albeit I could use an electric start case on the XR! You can really feel that drz frame difference hopping between the two.
I'm 6"6' and I needed this video. Cheers! Yesterday I tried a modified BMW F650GS Dakar, which was even taller than the stock and it was *awesome* how I could comfortably stand up without having to crouch or lean forward. I need that if I buy a 250 cc dual sport :D
I was actually leaning towards the CRF but when I tried it I had the same impression, it's not necessarily the best for people above 190 cm
Thanks for the great breakdown. Very thorough! I’d go with the Honda based on your chart. Subscribed👍🏼
Thanks man I appreciate the kind words and am happy I could help!
Great review, especially for us taller gents. I have a 2017 Honda CRF250L & immediately had to put Ohlins front & rear suspension on it. I come from riding Kawasaki KDX & KX’s... too old for the motocross riding now.
Bobby Stanford thanks for the kind words!
Wonderful review
Used WR250R for under $4000 with about $1000 in suspension would be my choice. I'm 5'10 and 153 lbs, decently experienced. Dirtbikes are tall you just have to deal with it. I know there are people lowering Yamaha's but unless you're under 5'8 I wouldn't consider it. Currently riding a 450L heavily modded and it's an awesome bike but my hands are sore for 2-3 days after a trail ride. Big power and big bike.
Great video... thankyou Ogre.. i know nothing before...... 👍👍👍👍
Every time my WR gets me happily through some crazy terrain that's well above my abilities, I take a second to shake my head and wonder why I even considered other dual sports.
Nice video. Thank you for sharing
Thank you SO much for your review. I’m a newbie
Easy to reduce the top heaviness of the DRZ400S. Just swap out with lighter tail tidy, headlight faring, Lithium-Ion Battery, and remove passenger foot-pegs. This removes 9-lbs of top heaviness from the DRZ, which completely changes the handing. Add some bar risers and a KLX motocross front fender, now you've got a modern looking flickable dual sport. The 5 gears never bothered me, and I love riding on the street. To see how well a stripped down DRZ handles off-road, checkout the following video:
th-cam.com/video/E8vCtdDIwTQ/w-d-xo.html
Appreciate the advice, but my bike had all that stuff done to it already and it still felt top heavy compared to the other bikes. I’ve actually been considering getting another DRZ for a supermoto again.
Rider skill does far more than removing a few pounds. Pol Torres does way crazier stuff than that on a T7. Regardless, I’d never be able to do the stuff he does even on my current bike.
Well done, thank you sir, used to ride quads, looking to get into Duel sport riding.
Bought a used 2018 KLX today with 1,278 miles. I’m closer to 72 than 71 and have been blessed by being able to own a ton of bikes. In my arsenal of bikes have owned 2 KLR 650. Decided to go with the KLX for two reasons. One, there are not many dual sport bikes for sale in my area of the country right now. And 2, I bought the bike for $2,851, which I couldn’t find one even close to this price. I weight 165 lbs and my inseam is a short 32”. I do wish it was a tab lower, may change seats, and I think I would like wider handlebars. Considering I have only ridden it around the farm little bit to day, I can’t give much feedback on how it performs. Other than the fact it’s light and fun to play around with.
I too have owned a KLR650, and my buddy got his KLX for $1700. Which the other bikes wouldn't have come close to in price, ever. They're the ultimate value pick of this list for sure!
SySTeM4T1c what year was his KLX?
Jerry Inman 2009 I think
Very good job on the review
thank you!
i am 6 ft 160 pounds and COMPLETELY agree but feel WR250R to be Better than the honda crf250l on the road but you need t to know the power band is high up thank you awesome job
Excellent review, I think This kind of video is super helpful to many people!
About year ago after seeing it, I got an used CRF250L because I thought I'd do 50/50 on and off, but I am enjoying off the most. I have upgraded suspensions, but still feel it too heavy so I am thinking on something really lighter, preferably with not so high maintenance. I wondered if you have any experience with older dual sport like TTR or DR 250. Thanks!
I’m 5’8” and I’m a new rider. So I’m leaning towards the CRF250L
biscuitsalive they’re great bikes, you won’t be disappointed!
Great video sir, I just recently bought a new CRF250L purely because of where i live it takes 45min to get out my driveway and into town and it's awesome on dirt roads but it sux on the main road rev's out from 85kph to 90kph.... i don't want to push it to much bloody long walk if she die's on me. im looking at buying a Honda XL650 i like to have a bit more power to play with.
Dr Chan I would take the DRZ over the 650L in a heartbeat. Much more modern with almost identical power! Thanks for the kind words though!
ive watched the video but im going to have to ask. im moving from straight dirt and trail bikes (2019 crf230 and a crf250r) do i just need to go with a husq or ktm to get what i really want. light nimble and smooth power. listening to this kinda turned me away from all of them.
These bikes will unfortunately be nothing like the dirt bikes you had. The WR250R is the only one to come close but it’s still heavy and underpowered compared to a dirt bike.
update? ... now that the CRF300L/Rally and KLX300 duals seem popular. Are you saying that the Kawasaki duals are noticeably lesser quality than Yamaha or Honda offerings? Thanks ... for your insights. I enjoyed this and your WR250R (no longer available, new?) video.
Pretty comprehensive, nice
Watched at playback speed of 1.75X and this is a great video. ;)
Great video. Have you stayed with stock gearing (13-43) for your WR?
No, mine is 14/49, and thanks!
I own a klx 250, know many with them. and they are very reliable bikes. this review is somewhat out dated also, its 2020 and your reviewing the carburated klx?. wr is the best of this class, but the price doesnt really leave it comparable to Crf and KLX. should be two catagories.. KLX vs CRF L and WR vs DRZ.
CALLINyour BluffTODAY you can find WR’s and DRZ’s cheaper than the 250L with comparable prices to used, older 250S’s, so I figured I’d include them all in one video. And in the video you’ll find that I do say the WR and DRZ do compete more with each other and are in a league if their own. Cheers.
@@OgreMoto ok, i can dig that. Problem for some ppl is, the used dual sport availability is non existant in my area (Maryland) You either will over pay for a a beater or be waiting years for a descent bike well priced to pop up. I have never even seen a used WR for sale in MD, Va, or PA. only used DRZ's seldomly and last I saw was a 2012 for 5000... Sooo no really the best used dual scene. Plenty of MX bikes always for sale however, but prices never are great. Option is to over pay after waiting forever for somthing you like to show up, or bite the bullet and buy new. That said, when buying new IMO its a no brainer. The WR is an awsome bike, but after tags and titles and fees your paying around 10,000 for the bike, roughly 9,000 for a carburated DRZ or pick a honda or KLX up for 6300 out the door. Kawi is reliable, fully adjustable suspension and higher seat height. SO really all these factors made my bike selection a no brainer. If money wasnt at all a factor, I might be on a BETA 390RR. Thanks for your response, and thanks for the Vid, it is a good review. Just didnt agree with a couple things. Cheers buddy
@@callinyourblufftoday9670 Grab a friend, drive to another state, buy it for cheap drive it back.
Alt: rent a uhaul motorcycle trailer for ~$20/day, mount a hitch on your car for ~$150, drive to another state and get your bike at a better price (towing with a car being much cheaper than with a truck).
@@andrewstambaugh8030 yea in a perfect world that sounds great. drove 4hours down to va. to look at a bike that was not in the condition i was told. I have a truck, drove down myself. Thats not the issue. You obviously havnt been shopping aroun lately.
The pandemic saw bikes selling faster than ever. there was not many options unless I wanted to wait another year or so. I didnt. im happy. My point about the price was to pint out that its not really accurate to compare 2 bikes that pretty much nobody considers as equal bikes.
i dont know anybody who would compare a klx to a WR, the prices and capabilities are too far off. Most ppl compare the KLX and CRF L and consider the Yam to be out of that leauge since the price and performance is not even a lil close
@@callinyourblufftoday9670 Could be the case where you are.
I was speaking from direct and current experience, as I have been looking at bikes. I prices I was comparing were based on what I could find in WA and northern Oregon.
For the $6k difference in price from a new DRZ vs buying used, I'm not making $1000/day, so I can afford to waste quite a few trips and still end up ahead.
or even "overpay" for a used bike in good condition and still have enough leftover to buy a cheaper bike for a friend to ride with me.
For me, the bigger problem is I'm looking for good deals. Bikes that owners love and keep don't often end up for sale at a bargain price. I'm mostly competing with my own miserly choice of budget and choosiness limiting me to 1 or 2 models of bike. Yeah, optimal dual sports and adventure bikes are less common on the used market. When I restrict myself that much, there may not be a decent bike at any specific time.
As it happens, though, I typically don't waste trips, because I tell the seller that I live far enough away that I need to ask some specific questions first, then I make a offer - dependent on condition being as stated & not discovering something wrong.
If they agree, then I bother to drive over.
Between cars and motorcycles, I have had 2 occasions with an issue. In both instances, I ended up paying less than was discussed over the phone. Part of that was communicating that they (the seller) has already invested time into the sale. If they don't want to waste that and spend more time, it's better to sell and be done with it (convenience drives people so much more than money).
I did nearly walk away from a car though, debating if it was worth it even for the lower price negotiated.
I always wanted a 250r. But I have to settle for a klx 300
Great video System4t1c. Just picked up a WR250R myself and love it. QUESTION: One guy in your ride was riding a WR250R with 17 inch Knobbies. Do you know what tires those are and what the rider thinks of them? This is exactly what I want to do.
Zeckrin Shinto 244’s, he says they’re alright. Pretty sure they’re extremely cheap though
Great video. What is that cell phone holder on the CRF250? Looks nice and simple.
RAM Quick-Grip XL Phone Mount with Handlebar U-Bolt Base www.amazon.com/dp/B07YNWQ31X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_MRKCYANWZ7N647HGV9EX
Pretty sure is this
The way I see it, if you're a regular sized and weighted rider, the best bike for trail riding is the wr250r, then klx250s, then crf250, then drz400
For normal street/city use, I'd go best would be klx250s, then drz400, then wr250r, then crf250.
For best bang for the buck I'd say klx250s, then drz400, then wr250r, then crf250.
If you're on a slight budget, you'll like the klx250s, if you're fine with a grand or 2 more, get the wr250r, you won't regret it.
There is no question WRR is best in class if you dont mind revving. But I like low rpm riding, and EU version KLX250 back from 2009-2016 had really bad EFI setup (made it slow). I would have had to buy ($$$) japan version EFI to sort it, didnt like that option. Bought CRF. As I'm getting better I'm reallising its engine is perfect, quality maintenance refinement all good. But for it to be best that it can be both on and offroad it would need new rear shock, revalving and respring (depends on weight) upfront, and a nicer seat for those long rides. Suspension would make the bike feel even lighter off road. Thats all $$$.. I'm still postponing it and trying to figure out do I want to go more offroad or more road for potential bike replacement as CRF got me a good taste of both worlds. If undecided then its like 600-700€ in upgrades and just countinue on, as this bike now has 22 000km and doesnt mind them at all.
The 250L is a great bike, loved my bud's that he let me ride! If you're looking for something to replace it that's similar, unfortunately the only thing that's in the same class as the 250L would be the other bikes on this list.
You could always go orange if you want a better off-road experience (but then you'd be dealing with more maintenance).
Nice vid thx... Something that I think needs adding to yr vid..the fact the WR can easily be remapped using the GYTR . You mentioned it only comes on song at 5000rpm..the torque and power characteristics can be completely changed to suit yr preferences and even for each ride.
With the later models 2020 on Yamaha provide tuning via a phone app meaning you can select different engine mappings as you ride.. for example an off-road and a road mapping...you can even create and design your own maps and save them...its very awesome.
I think we all knew the wr is the best bike.. but when you add this engine mapping capability it's a no-brainer imo....then of course therz the WR250 F better than the R 🤔
The later model WR250R's cannot be remapped with your phone (at least here in the US). Strict emission laws prevent the bike from being tuned without modification.
And even with additional tuning, the low-end only gets a marginal bump on the 250R. Are you just talking about the 250F in general?
And yes the WR250F has more power and is more agile, but it's a very high maintenance, buzzy bike compared to the WR250R. They can't really be compared because they're totally different classes of bikes.
@@OgreMoto Sorry yes I was talking about the F... And yes it can be retuned here in the UK and most of Europe... And you can indeed tune it 'soft' so it's docile and produces torque at lower rpm..the difference is amazing.. It sucks you can't do that in the US didn't know that !.. I thought Trump didnt care about global warming ..lol 🤔
Sounds like time for a hack to me 😈
Great review, but still don't know what to get. I am on a KLR 650 and looking for a lighter second bike to ride trails. It would be so easy if the CRF250L were better off road. Sounds like the bike for me. If you put some cash in upgrading the suspension would it move up your list for off road performance? I hear others say "what's the point, just get the other bike". But I like the Honda!
You've gotta realize man, I loved the 250L and that was with just a respring in the front with thicker oil (very cheap upgrade), I even said that in the video.
If it had suspension on par with the DRZ or WR, it would be a killer bike for the price. Although I still wouldn't rock one, but that's only because they're pretty cramped for super tall guys.
If you're just going to be puttzing around off-road it would be fine. Otherwise, if you plan on riding more aggressively, get some stiffer springs and revalve it and it would be a sweet bike. The only big downside is the lack of clearance for the super gnarley trails.
The benefit of the 250L, especially for shorter folks, is that the lower seat height makes it the perfect bike if you just want to go anywhere with ease.
The WR250R is a little more difficult to ride for beginners off-road because of even less low-end torque and seat height, but out of these 4, it'll be the most rewarding to an experienced rider on the tightest of trails.
Hope this helps!
Great review! Very thorough!
I own the drz but really am interested in wr for its smother qualities. I agree, i never quite feel in control on drz. Front wheel feels jumpy.
Im 5-8” 130lbs, maybe a mid skill rider( started at 46!)
Ill use it around town( norther New Mexico) and on the numerous blm, forest roads here. Love to ship it overseas for some globe trotting.
What ya think?
Might lower with a yama link.
Honestly I'd just stick with the DRZ if you already own one. They're both good to the point where swapping from one to the other is sort of more like a side-grade than a upgrade.
While I do believe the range of capability is better on the WR, it only beats the DRZ slightly so in that category, they're both such great bikes!
Thanks !
Cool video man :) What do you think about the crf 300l launched in thailand? Do you think that would change your rankings?
Maybe! I’d have to ride it and see! Looks like an awesome update! Hopefully it comes to North America.
Hello, thanks for the great review. I had a ttr 125 yrs ago and now looking to buy the WR 250R. A dealer in Arizona selling a 2012 with 5000 miles for $ 6200. Do you think the price is too high for the miles on it? Thanks
For reference, I just picked up a like new 2019 with 300 miles for $5800. I would say that’s way overpriced for what it is.
Thanks for the comparison, really good content. I'm leaning towards the Honda (I'm strongly considering the Rally version) for its user friendliness a bit more range and hopefully better ergonomics. I'm 6.2ft and 200 pounds, do you think it will feel cramped on the regular 250L ? Or is it something that is not that relevant for 6.2 guy like me.
If you get a tall seat, raise your bars, and possibly buy some drop pegs for the 250L you should be fine on it. I'm about 5 inches taller and I could ride it in stock form. It wasn't comfortable, but I did it for literal days.
You'll love the 250L though man! Maybe even wait for that 300L that just got announced! Lighter with more power!
@@OgreMoto Yup just saw it. Thanks for the suggestion ^^
Thanks for the great comparison. I just moved to Phoenix from the East coast and with all the trails out here, I'm looking to get a dual sport to get from my house to the trails (no other street riding). I'm looking at the DRZ400 since I'm 6 foot 3 and 49 years old and not wanting to tackle extreme trails. I don't want the revving of the WR. Someone said that for his carbed ATV, he has to change the jet when he takes it 2.5 hours north to Flagstaff to ride in the mountains at a much higher elevation (8,000 ft compared to 1,200 ft). Would I have any carb issues riding the DRZ there?
The DRZ is a great bike you'll love it. And it depends on the carb. If you have the FCR carb upgrade that most guys do you'd probably have to. With the stock carb you'd probably lose a bit of power but it should still run.
WOW!! The sheer amount of thought and information you've put in this! Fantastic!! Now, would you advice against getting a wr as a first bike? I'm 6′ 1.6220″, 210 pounds and have no prior experience with motorbikes, dirt bikes, Mx bikes at all. I still ride MTB and rode BMX as a kid. I'm 40 years of age and want a bike able to take me wherever I would like to go within my limits and something to be able to develop my skills on for at least a couple of years. So would the height of the wr and how it makes its power be too difficult for a beginner? I will start on the street, get on some gravel roads, fire roads and eventually going deeper into the terrain from there, one step at a time. When it comes to high revving engines, I love them in cars, so I'm sure I will like that in a bike as well.
Would you recommend I choose another bike as my first, or go for the wr?
Any thoughts are really welcome, thank you!
The WR would be a fine starter for a someone who has no experience on the street, but the DRZ would be a much better learner for you in the dirt, just because it requires very little clutch input for a lot of situations where the WR requires a lot of clutch finess and much higher engine revs. Power-wise, the DRZ is just more effortless to ride in the dirt, but the WR is balanced better with better suspension. It really depends on what you think you'll be riding more.
@@OgreMoto I really appreciate your answer, thank you!
I'm leaning towards the wr, I will just have to give myself time to learn good clutch control and take that as a challenge. With a drz I see myself too frustrated over different carburettor issues. Where I live the temperature varies between 5 and 80 degrees and I know I will drop the bike quite a lot. So my mind is now set on the wr.
Most other people in my country starts out on naked bikes or sport bikes from 650cc and up, so someone needs to take a different path, right? 😄
Take care and thanks again!
@@swedbear4035 You're absolutely welcome man. Living in an area with -40F to 110F temperatures I too needed a fuel injected bike. Plus that DRZ carb was just killer when you dropped it! Good luck!
WR250R for life!!!!
I am renting out enduros and adv bikes in Asia, I can tell you that the KLX ist way stronger and more capable offroad than the CRF. The main reason why ppl buy honda (here) is the lower parts cost. Suspension on the CRF is barely enough for the road, useless offroad. The CRF rally is a good touring bike for one up, with better sussy than reagular model but as a plain enduro the KLX is way better out of the box.
selfhealing.academy deutsch I had the complete opposite experience in one aspect. The KLX had lots of trouble with quality once the going got rough, but it’s reassuring to hear an opinion that states otherwise!
I completely agree about suspension and off-road ability, I stated the same as what you said above in the video. I just find the KLX to be more chinsey and cheaply made.
@@OgreMoto what do you mean problems with quality? I beat the absolute shit out of mine and it still kicks.
@@dangerdanadv1445 I pretty much meant exactly what I said. I mean no offense by it I'm just stating my experience.
His kickstand completely broke off the frame where it's welded, manual cam chain tensioner failed at 4k miles, stock bars destroyed on the first slight drop he had, tweaked his subframe on a downhill drop, and his footpeg mount got bent upwards going through a rut on some single track.
This was all within 1 year of ownership mind you. Whenever we went riding, it seemed like something was always breaking on the KLX whereas my other buddies and I rarely had issues.
@@OgreMoto no offense taken, I was genuinely wondering what you were specifically referring to. The only thing on that list that doesn't surprise me is the subframe, cuz the KLX is pretty well known to have a weak subframe. That's my one complaint about it.
I also never thought about the foot pegs because they were too tiny by default and replaced mine within a week with a beefier set. Same for bars, most bikes have shitty stock bars. I replaced mine early on for ergonomics as well. That probably explains a lot of the gap in your experience vs my experience with the klx250.
All of these bikes are great...
Any updated thoughts now that the 300’s are available? I’m looking for a small dual sport to compliment my Tiger 900. Something I can build skills on and most importantly ride alone
I haven’t ridden one but I absolutely loved the 250L as is as I said in the video.
Lighter with more power could only help its case!
The points on the WR were spot on. Gotta be willing to go a little faster off road and commit to get the power up there. Either that, use the clutch a ton, or gear it down a bit.
If you start jumping the bike, you WILL feel the rebound issue in the rear shock. Otherwise it’s fine
I have jumped the bike Matt, a lot, I think I'm just too heavy to be bucked off the bike like seen in other videos.
SySTeM4T1c that would make sense. I weight 170lbs, so I’m on the lighter side of mid-weight. Only time I ever notice the rebound issue is when jumping it off smaller jumps with abrupt transitions. It feels like that back end just wants to fly up there haha
Great video! Just curious, what state are you in?
WI
Forget CRF, WR and DRZ . KLX Is, all in all, the best Universal bike.
It’s definitely a great bike! 👍 thanks for watching
At 6'8" I'm going with the KLX230.
Oops, that's 5'8"...
😁😉
Ha!
Would CRF250L enough for a 6'3" guy?
The gas won't go bad if the bike sits for 5/6 months, If you run some Stabil in the fuel before storing it. I lived in Alaska for 37 years, and always stored my machines after running Stabil through the system first.. ( Prevents the fuel from breaking down or gumming up )
Gas absolutely does go bad in 6 months, even with Stabil. Stabil is not a cure. Project Farm proved that. Quick research shows gasoline only has a shelf life of 3-6 months before it starts to break down.
There’s so many different factors involved like quality of gas, how long it has been sitting in their reservoir, and whether or not it contaminated with water or other elements that it’s not even worth debating about this honestly though.
@@OgreMoto I can only go by my own experiences, worked every time for me, up to 7 months in storage. To bad that it didn't work like that for others...
@@johnganshow5536 Yeah, if that was my experience I'd be a much happier man lmao. All of the gas stations in my area are supplied by the same company so I'm sure that's why my petrol is shit.
Pure Gasoline used to last a lot longer before they started adding ethanol into it. Now it more attracts water and oxygen which breaks it down quicker.
Thx so much. I am new to off-road but do practice on motorcross and flat track and a little I wood. Probably 5 or 6 times and lesson. I want to ride local adventure and ride to the motor cross. I want the wr but want to under Understand on technical single track where is sweet spot on wr. You 5000 plus rev bothers me?
Usually on single track I'm running really low revs in 2nd or 3rd gear slipping the clutch a lot.
My buddy is of the other mentality and just goes no clutch basically top of first all the time probably running 7-11k RPM's.
It basically depends on how you wanna ride it really. I have a much more controlled style of riding and my buddy's is much more agressive.
Thx I am 6 3 and 230 and think this is what i will go with and also will probably get the T7 with trade in if my vstrom. Heard they might come out with a teneree 300
Just a quick note for a winter pause fuel problem. What causes the problem either for injectors and carbs is the alcohol that separates from the fuel and falls on the bottom of the tank so when you turn the engine on it sucks in the alcohol first. Solution to this are the fuel additives designed for keeping the fuel intact during the winter pause. Sorry for my bad english. I wonder could it be the best solution to empty the tank before winter and when the riding season begins just to fill the tank with fresh fuel. Gasoline and alcohol evaporate. But what if some water remains in the tank?
Jurica Grčević best solution is definitely draining the tank and carb, but I use fuel additives during winter and still experienced gummed up carbs.
@@OgreMoto I guess that draining up the fuel system would be the best option but I have no experience. I suggest you contact Tremonte. He's a cool guy allways willing to share knowledge. He recomends buying a non ethanol fuel which costs a little bit more than the premium but it doesn't cause you trouble later.
th-cam.com/video/M5Df4Na7wVI/w-d-xo.html
Jurica Grčević I’ve always used the premium (non ethanol) fuel in all my bikes and small engines. It doesn’t matter what you do, gas just goes bad after many months of no use. To be fair though, I’ve never had a problem with any of my fuel injected bikes, only the carb’d ones.
@@OgreMoto I'm checking out available videos on TH-cam on this topic and the conclusion is to stick with the additives, keeping the fuel tank full to prevent it from rusting and at least once in 3 weeks taking a half hour ride. That way your battery won't die and the machine is kept lubricated. Check this video out. th-cam.com/video/md4P57Hkm7s/w-d-xo.html
@@Jurica-mtb Taking a ride during the winter isn't very plausible where I live when we experience cold snaps of -40 degrees celcius and have ice and slush for a good 4-5 months out of the year.
I'm currently deciding between a WR and DRZ and am lost as to which will be better for me. I want to use it for commuting about 3 or 4 days a week over the summer months, but when i do go off road due to where i live its lots of water and mud and climbing trees and stumps. The best bike I've currently been on is actually my dads old dt125 due to the first gear being super low (like 10km/h in the power band). Ideally im looking to find something that is closest to that while being able to hit 60-65mph. The low first gear is probably a necessity as i own a klr 650 currently and cant use it for the terrain due to the weight and high first gear, even with a sprocket change. Knowing how I ride and what i want to do i can't decide if the torque of the drz is going to be necessary or if the first gear on the wr is low enough to get me moving over logs and rocks. Outside of the slow going rough terrain i think the WR makes more sense to me but any input would be appreciated.
Lastoftheairplan the WR is going to be easier to keep upright and balance in the slow, technical sections and can easily hop logs if you’ve got the clutch control down, but if you’re less experienced the DRZ will definitely be better at it! One of the main reasons the DRZ has so much torque is because of its super close ratio and low geared transmission. If you gear the WR super low it’d probably be just as good and it’s fine stringing alone doing 7-8000rpms all day long.
@@OgreMoto thanks. Ive got decent clutch experience running gutless 2 stroke enduros through the trails here so especially with the power coming on like what im used to i think im gonna look to get the wr.
What's you're shoe size and do you have any issues fitting your feet on any of these?
15 and feet not fitting is easily remedied with bigger pegs. I didn’t have an issue regardless though.
Great video! Timely as well. I'm shopping for a new dual sport now. I have an 85 XL250R now, I'm ok with the power, really like the balance and ergos. Which would you recommend as a replacement? WR is a stretch for my budget.
Rick Saulnier honestly, coming off a bike with that old of a design, any of these bikes would be quite the upgrade.
How much dirt riding do you do?
@@OgreMoto I have an ST1300 for street and touring. I use the XL 80 percent dirt. I do have to do a couple of 70mph sections to get to the dirt. I had tried a KLX250 a long time ago and thought is was anemic compared to the dual carb, 4 valve XL250R. It's difficult to get real data but it looks like Honda has not improved power to weight much since then. Still about 23hp/325lbs more or less. I am thinking DRZ400 for better power and reliability. I know it's older technology but like you say, coming from an 85, I won't know any better. ;-)
@@rick4665 Sounds like you've got your mind made up already Rick!
@@rick4665 look at the xr400r as well. Lighter and easier to work on than the drz with the same 400cc performance.
@@warrensmith792 If only one could still buy a new XR400R. :-) Ended up getting the DRZ. Hated it at first. Put motorcross tires and a lowering kit. Like it a lot now. Has a lot of range except the single track stuff. Really feel the weight there.
Wanted so bad the new royal enfield himalayan any year of production but finally after a long time riding cruisers went back to dual sport with a crf250l mainly due to making a good deal but if I found a good klr or any suzuki would've made a deal on that but we will see the long term on how its gonna go
I love the 250L. I’d honestly just stick with it! The best bike is the one you already have!
@@OgreMoto if that was the case I'd still be on a Harley sportster
@@franmitch3589 Eh, I’ll redo the phrase then. The best dual-sport is the one you have right now!
I’m not a big fan of anything else besides dual-sports tbch.
I gotta wonder, what's the TW200 feel like at your size? Even rideable?
It's rideable but extremely uncomfortable! I had the choice of a Suzuki TU250, Yamaha V-Star 250, or a TW200, so the choice was obvious lol.
DIY wind screen at 3:21? Lol
yeah my friend calls it the KKK mod lmao
I know you said they all suck on the highway, but which one sucks the least?
Imo I would say the CRF250L is the most well mannered on the highway. If you’re looking for just most outright power on the highway DRZ is the way to go though.
But in the grand scheme of things, none of these bikes will be good for interstate jaunts.