In the Stargate book "Retaliation" by Bill McKay some Horus guards are dialling into the stargate on Abydos as everyone is trying to evacuate. A desperate Daniel goes to stand in front of it with some grenades to see what happens when two groups of matter occupy the same place. Lt. Charlton pushes him out of the way and takes his spot, and is vaporised along with all the incoming troops. The books are really gnarly about stuff like this and I dig it.
Consider the movie version of disassembly. We see the traveler completely enter a dimensional space behind the event horizon before they are suddenly ripped apart and transmitted, after their entire body entered the gate. The gate would need to allow living beings to partially enter the event horizon and then possibly back out, to avoid issues with circulating blood moving around a body which, like O'Neil's arm, is only partly "inside' the event horizon. His blood still flows freely through his arm because no deconstruction occurs unless/until his entire body passes into the dimensional space. So, the event horizon itself is not directional, but it may be a question of whether that dimensional space has a deconstruction or construction field active. Also some clues in Lux7777777's question about what happens to anythng trying to enter the 'back' of the gate. Even just stray wind and dust could be a problem if the gate doesn't do something with it. Much to think about.
This one is confirmed in show-canon as well, and rather explicitly spelled out, in the Atlantis episode where a puddle jumper gets wedged partly into a gate. The gate will only send _fully contiguous solid objects and/or their contents_ as a safety precaution, so if something is pulled back out, it's locally rematerialized without transmission. This occurs at _both_ ends, hence Jack's arm not being destroyed. Contiguous objects fully within the event horizon, but _inside an "encasing" object_ (the puddle jumper itself) are held in suspended animation until either the entire encasing object enters or is removed. All of this happens locally within the gate itself, and only the _transmission_ part (a complete solid object and its contents has entered and dematerialized) is one-way. If Jack tripped and fell fully into the incoming wormhole's event horizon, _then_ he would cease to exist... Additionally, any un-transmitted matter that's been partially dematerialized, will _also_ cease to exist (slicing along the plane) if the gate shuts down, whether forcefully (this was used to kill someone once) or at the 38 minute limit (hence the puddle jumper episode literally being named "38 Minutes"). Under normal circumstances, if either gate detects something partially within the event horizon, it won't shut down unless forced to by computer command or wormhole timeout... which is exactly why Jack was "holding the door open" in the first place. The outgoing gate wouldn't shut down as long as the incoming gate detected something keeping it open. They also bring up the wind/dust thing too with the water planet, the gate can sense whether something is _intending_ to enter or just passively there, so water and air won't rush through an open gate unless a solid container object is pushing it to do so. ...I don't think they ever tried the "back of the gate" thing... although the episode in Antarctica shows that the "backwards kawhoosh" (which is only shown outright in the film!) is as destructive as the forward one... there's a giant hole out the _backside_ of the gate.
i think the 1 way travel is just how the system is designed. there should be nothing preventing a 2 way travel through a wormhole. Just that the stargate systems aren't designed to do that. Think about it, if you were to send matter stream down the same tube from opposite sides, they would collide and be bad. The gates at each end just breaks down the matter and reassembles it on the other side. In 48hours, they were able to bypass protocols to get Teal'c rematerialise without making a wormhole. And the rings are just smaller modular stargates that does the same thing without a wormhole. You can lockon to a specific other ring platform or, it just seeks out the nearest ring platform available. In the case of Vala, her matter stream was pulled into the collapsed planet by gravity and on the other side, the nearest ring detected and rematerialised her. Technically you can reprogram the stargate to send matter the other way, but it was not done, because you will need to overwrite the protocols on both stargates or else whatever you sent the opposite direction will not be rematerialised. This theory also explains why the gate address is based on charting a course through space by using 6 points in space for coordinates and 7th symbol as a point of origin, rather than fixed symbols like a phone number. This is for the stargate to calculate the distance and trajectory of the wormhole in normal space. The stargate can't communicate with each other without establishing a wormhole, so there is no way to the other gate to know that someone it dialing it. It just sits there and wait till a wormhole forms in the vicinity and pulls it onto itself like a magnet. The stargate has to dial each other to perform an update. Dialing another galaxy requires an 8th symbol to distance calculation. So basically you are shooting in the direction on a specific coordinate, and then the 8th symbol provides additional distance of how much you have to overshoot it to reach the target outside of the known network. The only address that is not a coordinate would be destiny. It's basically a hardcoded address. Remember, the phonebook they found on Abydos are outdated gate addresses made by the Goa'ulds. They had to compensate for stellar drift as the coordinates for the gates have drifted and did not work anymore
I’m basing it off of ‘a hundred days’. Where the MALP enters the receiving event horizon and is dematerialised into the buffer and becomes lost. Which is what would happen to Jacks arm.
while i love the SG series, i do find it somewhat funny for these logic to be bestowed upon how the gate works while the ramp at the SGC is seemingly impervious to being dematerialized by the event horizon, in the scene with jack's hand in the event horizon, you can clearly see the ramp part that spans the front and back of the gate is continuous after the gate shuts off :P
The events horizon was a easy to make effect in the movie and was originally filmed using water. The function of the Stargate and the technology used was simplified on the TV show and is not really supposed to make perfect sence.
what about the planet that stargate Atlantis takes place that was flooded and the gate was under water, they were dialed via Atlantis, the water that the gate was flooded with should have gone through the other gate with this idea that it can go both ways, but it didn't. it's also possibly an oversight of the show and it was never really explained, like the idea of entering the gate from behind, what happens then? do you just get pushed back through the front of the gate, or do you dematerialize on the other side on another planet? but again, going back to the water idea, i'm not sure it's completely possible. and the weird thing about Vala going through the transmission of the supergate and somehow being transported to the Ori galaxy is, did her matter stream connect to a nearby planet where that super gate was located within their galaxy? like how exactly did vala make it in one piece within their galaxy, i suppose it's possible there was at least one Ori mother ship there on the other side that picked up her matter stream and she was put onboard their ship via rings, because we know they already had ring transporter tech. that's another thing to talk about, i have had this conversation with a few people before and they didn't believe me when i said that the Ori already had gate travel outside of their super gate, and we know this because of the pilot episode of sg1 where they first discovered the Ori galaxy right after talking to a prior, suddenly we see a prior out of nowhere appear in the milky way galaxy through a milky way gate, how would they be able to do this if they didn't have stargate tech for themselves that has existed for an unknown amount of time? now i used to think this was an oversite by the shows writers and just assumed it was due to Ori ascended magic being used, but then i thought about it more and more and came to the conclusion that they have had gate travel for some time within their galaxy, but we just have no idea how long they have been using this idea.
@@5226-p1e The Atlantis gate not sending the water backwards is because water is normal matter when entering the receiving buffer - so it would be stored and not sent. Only ring transporter energy/radio waves can be sent either way. Entering through the back of the gate hasn’t been explained so isn’t a plot hole/issue. The Ori don’t have a network of gates or any gates in my opinion (apart from a cobbled together one to send priors). The Alterans left and created Stargates without the Ori. In the Ori galaxy, the culture we see via Daniel using the stones didn’t have any idea of other races or people. So there isn’t a gate on that planet. Logically, the Ori wouldn’t want their followers to travel throughout the galaxy and spread ideas against them. Which was a big mistake for the Goauld. The Ori can figure out how to build stuff after becoming ascended beings (because they’re basically gods at that point) and instruct the priors/followers on how to build them. The only tech they share from the start is ring technology. The thing with Valas pattern: I’d say the Ori knew she was coming coz the priors have future visions through the Ori themselves. Valas pattern didn’t go through the Supergate, because there was no event horizon. She went through the gate that was on the collapsing planet, just before it was destroyed. They would have set up a set of rings beside the cobbled Stargate.
@Gate Traveller the thing is, in the past i would have agreed with you about the gate idea within the Ori galaxy, however because i have researched their history and thought about how they would control an entire galaxy of other worlds, they would have had to have more stargates within their own galaxy. for example, the lore states that the Ori galaxy has several more worlds that they control, they could potentially travel by ship, but if they have gate travel why not use it? it's faster and you can cover much more ground in a shorter period of time using a gate than traveling with a ship, the other reason why i believe they had more gates within their galaxy is simply due to them sharing relation to the Alteran, they were of the same people once in their distant past, now the Ori leaders were likely the only ones using this tech when they took control over the galaxy, and the followers were likely never to use these devices or even capable of using them because they knew nothing of how they worked or would be used anyway, given that the Ori convinced them to stop using technology. but going back to the idea of them all sharing the same tech as they were all once one united society, and they were an advanced society, they had space ship travel and ring travel and even the communication stones existed back then, these stones are capable of being used with vast distances, which suggests at one point they as a society they possibly used these devices outside of their own home galaxy. there are just to many things to point to that they had the capability and knowledge of at one point within their civilization, now we only know of their present story and what the show allowed let us know about, but if they all came from the same society and suddenly dropped all of their advancements and traded it all for religion, that makes no sense for many different reasons reasons. the scientist who created the first stargates got his idea from the use of the ring transporters, which means there is some kind of relation and connection to how they work and how stargates work, so it's possible that someone on the side of the Ori also created a version of gate travel, likely created for the use of the priors and perhaps this engineer was promised ascension for creating this tech and it's also possible they allow him to ascend within their ranks. but the Ori are not gods, they are not all seeing or even all knowing, they simply have a greater knowledge and understanding of things within the universe, these are words taken from daniel jackson when he was ascended, and the same truth exists even for the Ori. knowledge can possibly be shared and hoarded within the ascended realm, the Alteran were wrong to assume that the Ori would never share their power or knowledge with others, the evidence was found out when earth used merlin's weapon and destroyed the Ori, the newly ascended Adria told the truth that there were a great many who were within the fold of the Ori's ranks, they only appeared to be all seeing and all knowing and all powerful because so many were sharing that power and upholding the values of the Ori, it's possible they started out this way, but then changed their mind as they grew to understand that it was easier to relegate and manage that power and responsibility to keep a watchful eye on the plane populations that kept them in power through worship. anyway, i have made this topic a bit too long like i always do with these in depth subjects like stargate lol, sorry, i really love delving deeper into the lore and figuring out the possible motivations behind the story. this is all theory of course, i'm not making it a definitive catalogue of the Ori, perhaps an unofficial story that has not been told, the funny thing with this idea i have gotten the youtube channel gate world and dial the gate to think about this idea, and they really like the idea and even talked about it once upon a time. we even did a theory episode on what that Ori gate would possibly look like, it was fun speculating, that's what i'm best at when it comes to the never talked about stuff in stargate.
@@5226-p1e yeah, of course it’s possible (and somewhat likely) that the Ori can have Stargates. I’m kind of in a position where I’m more on the side of thinking they don’t have them in bulk, rather than not at all. I like to think that to stop the spread of misinformation and to keep the followers in line, they keep each planet separated without a Stargate network to link them. They definitely have at least one gate (used to send the priors) but at least for now, I think that’s all they have a need for. They really don’t need gates to achieve their goals since they are ascended, and gates are only useful for physical beings really. I know they can be used by the ascended but most of the Ori seem to all dwell inside the city of the gods, Celestis. Having gates throughout their galaxy would only be useful for the followers and priors. They could turn normal devote followers from each planet into priors without having to alter them and then transport them via ship or gate. You’re definitely onto something, and there is a lot of evidence to suggest they could have gates. I just don’t think they have a need for them.
@Gate Traveller well it's all speculation of course, but i have had many other speculations on their civilization outside of the idea of gates, like their Original motivations. the show's lore suggest that the Ori were not ascended until some time after the Alteran ascended, but there is no evidence in the show of this information being the truth, but for some reason it was found within the wiki, and i have kind of made some people rethink about this with my comments within the wiki as well, because sometimes they will add information that wasn't within the lore, but was assumed to be within the lore and call it factual, and i usually chime in to talk about it further. but it's been a while since i have been to the wiki, anyway we know why the Alteran left their galaxy, but we don't know why they stayed for so long under the boot of the Ori, but also during that time the Ori were not ascended, which means they really had nothing to fear from them, they gave up their technology in favor of their religion, but why do this as a motivation at all and how did the Ori control the population back then without this kind of power if they were not ascended? typically nobody except me ask these kinds of questions, because most people just accept the lore that was told to them without really thinking of how these parts of the story make any sense. i mean can you picture an advanced society, just suddenly dropping the use of all their technology in favor of a religion that holds no power outside of numbers? but how did they get to this point in the first place? how did the religion of Origin come to get this big of influence and how did they outnumber the advanced side of their civilization? now i would argue against the idea that the Ori ascended much later from what the lore states, because religions like this don't just pop up out of nowhere, there would have had to of been some kind of major influence to get the majority population to jump on board to the side of the Ori and give up all of their advanced tech and progress as a civilization. it almost sounds like they were being programed to believe in the Ori, but we know that isn't why people followed the Ori, we know Arneilius the gate inventor also invented a device to program the opposite of what the Ori were promising through his Ark Of Truth, but his idea was shot down by the others, because of the fundamental values of the Alteran was "freedom of will" and as a group, they thought it would be just as bad as a result to do such a thing, even though on the Alteran side, they pretty much left everyone in their home galaxy to forever be fated in the enslavement of the Ori and their religion. there are so many little questions that never really get answered in the motivations of the story, and usually people just accept them as they are being told without ever considering the why the how these things exist in the story.
i'm alweys guessing you could do that in theory. The limitation may be by design as some kind of safety feature. Also this does not seem to apply to radio waves you can send and receive data without problem
You missed the key fact. The power to create a stable wormhole is MASSIVE. You can’t physically pass from one stargate to another because the aperture of the wormhole is microscopic. So, the dialing gate and receiving gate act as a one way transporter. You are reduced to energy and sent to the receiving gate where you are materialized at the event horizon. Matter transmission and cohesive energy (e.g., plasma bolts) can only go one way, but lesser energy forms (e.g., radio waves) can go both ways through an open wormhole.
It'd be a cool concept if particular gate network actually connected in a two-way travel. There will be no event horizon and essentially be an active tunnel. Think how XMen Blink uses her portals in Days of Future Past. Maybe a limitation could be short distance for power and stable connection. So instead of a galaxy network a single star system or two. We barely know anything about the Furlings. Maybe a great way to discuss their descendants and their tech.
I think you're actually onto something there. Do you think deliberately placing two transport rings back and front of a receiving stargate (say, Gate Destroyer world from Anubis for example) and firing the one on front to call the one in the back, would cause the rings' matter stream to accidentally shoot into the event horizon and get reclaimed by the nearest platform on the other side? I think I could totally use a similar idea for a certain project >:) ...
That’s a great idea actually. I’m not sure if the matter stream would pass through the event horizon or not, but if it did the Rings on the other side would have to be pretty much lined up with the Stargate. An Asgard beam would become distorted through a wormhole, so I assume that a ring matter stream would as well, but I’m not sure.
@@Gatetraveller1 Well that's basically what happened to Vala, so I guess it won't distort to be unreconstructable. I guess the ring energy matter have some redundancies built in, a bit like a QR code contains excessive information to be able to be read even if seriously damaged, the same way I guess the matter stream is redundant enough to be able to reconstruct even if it is somewhat distorted.
Imagine you need to evacuate from a planet, you lost the rest of your unit and all contact with them. You run to the gate and you see it being open... ...How would you even know if it's outgoing and your salvation or ingoing and a suicide?
What if you try to enter the backside of an outgoing stargate. By that I mean going behind the gate in SGC for example, waiting for them to open, and then stepping forward.
There isn’t a clear answer on that. I think you would either slide through the event horizon, as in stepping through it like jumping through a waterfall OR you would repelled OR you would become stored in the buffer like stepping into an incoming wormhole
I would imagine that the incoming can be passed through the other side / enter the event horizon without proceeding onto oncoming. The width of the event horizon is able to be broken passing through the on coming and backed stargates would bump them back out preventing a lost. But still is able to be entered allowing things like radio waves to enter and energy and they don't process mass to interrupt oncoming travelers. This also explains why the talions can use their phase tech to bypass the iris. And gives a kind of nod to their way of thinking. Why question which way the door is opened when you can simply walk through it. And would eventually create the tech to pass through stargates either way. Which also using this as both defensive weapon tactic or offensive. Bypassing shields and blocks and curving the which way the wormhole is opened.
I originally thought that as well, but when Jack was trapped offworld they send a MALP through while the gate is sideways. It falls back into the incoming event horizon and is destroyed. That’s the reason we know what happens when you enter the wrong side.
@@Gatetraveller1 if the gate was face up and the malp fell into it and little to no backspace then it exploded. I think it would be for a visual reason and not one for in universe. That would be what the video said it would be stored inside the crystals and disapate
@@aaronmoreton it’s in the episode ‘a hundred days’ The MALP comes out the horizontal Stargate and immediately falls back down after fully exiting. Sam later says that the MALP was destroyed by entering the event horizon and it is not seen when Tealc travels through and attaches himself to the kawoosh cave ceiling (the gate shuts down and you can see behind the event horizon).
Multiple episodes throughout. The plot of the movie shows this regardless, as they had to find the Abydos point of origin symbol to get home. If it was two way then Earth could just dial and then they walk through.
@@xadam2dudexI think I should make one point clear, you can send matter through a wormhole in any direction, from any side of each gate. The only issue is that while the matter will arrive at the other end, it won't be in the same arrangement as when you entered. That's why you have the workaround with one gate turning your body into a signal, that being sent through the wormhole and the other gate reassembling you and that's what introduces the directionality. So yes both matter and radio waves will move in both directions but if you want the object to arrive in one piece you need to have a way for the matter to be reassembled in it's original shape or for the object to be completely digitized and remade from scratch on the other side and that is a function Stargates provide only in one direction
In the Stargate book "Retaliation" by Bill McKay some Horus guards are dialling into the stargate on Abydos as everyone is trying to evacuate. A desperate Daniel goes to stand in front of it with some grenades to see what happens when two groups of matter occupy the same place. Lt. Charlton pushes him out of the way and takes his spot, and is vaporised along with all the incoming troops. The books are really gnarly about stuff like this and I dig it.
Consider the movie version of disassembly. We see the traveler completely enter a dimensional space behind the event horizon before they are suddenly ripped apart and transmitted, after their entire body entered the gate. The gate would need to allow living beings to partially enter the event horizon and then possibly back out, to avoid issues with circulating blood moving around a body which, like O'Neil's arm, is only partly "inside' the event horizon. His blood still flows freely through his arm because no deconstruction occurs unless/until his entire body passes into the dimensional space. So, the event horizon itself is not directional, but it may be a question of whether that dimensional space has a deconstruction or construction field active. Also some clues in Lux7777777's question about what happens to anythng trying to enter the 'back' of the gate. Even just stray wind and dust could be a problem if the gate doesn't do something with it. Much to think about.
It's O'Neill with 2 L's. There's another Colonel O'Neil with only 1 L and he has no sense of humor at all.
This one is confirmed in show-canon as well, and rather explicitly spelled out, in the Atlantis episode where a puddle jumper gets wedged partly into a gate. The gate will only send _fully contiguous solid objects and/or their contents_ as a safety precaution, so if something is pulled back out, it's locally rematerialized without transmission. This occurs at _both_ ends, hence Jack's arm not being destroyed. Contiguous objects fully within the event horizon, but _inside an "encasing" object_ (the puddle jumper itself) are held in suspended animation until either the entire encasing object enters or is removed. All of this happens locally within the gate itself, and only the _transmission_ part (a complete solid object and its contents has entered and dematerialized) is one-way. If Jack tripped and fell fully into the incoming wormhole's event horizon, _then_ he would cease to exist... Additionally, any un-transmitted matter that's been partially dematerialized, will _also_ cease to exist (slicing along the plane) if the gate shuts down, whether forcefully (this was used to kill someone once) or at the 38 minute limit (hence the puddle jumper episode literally being named "38 Minutes"). Under normal circumstances, if either gate detects something partially within the event horizon, it won't shut down unless forced to by computer command or wormhole timeout... which is exactly why Jack was "holding the door open" in the first place. The outgoing gate wouldn't shut down as long as the incoming gate detected something keeping it open.
They also bring up the wind/dust thing too with the water planet, the gate can sense whether something is _intending_ to enter or just passively there, so water and air won't rush through an open gate unless a solid container object is pushing it to do so. ...I don't think they ever tried the "back of the gate" thing... although the episode in Antarctica shows that the "backwards kawhoosh" (which is only shown outright in the film!) is as destructive as the forward one... there's a giant hole out the _backside_ of the gate.
i think the 1 way travel is just how the system is designed. there should be nothing preventing a 2 way travel through a wormhole. Just that the stargate systems aren't designed to do that. Think about it, if you were to send matter stream down the same tube from opposite sides, they would collide and be bad. The gates at each end just breaks down the matter and reassembles it on the other side. In 48hours, they were able to bypass protocols to get Teal'c rematerialise without making a wormhole. And the rings are just smaller modular stargates that does the same thing without a wormhole. You can lockon to a specific other ring platform or, it just seeks out the nearest ring platform available. In the case of Vala, her matter stream was pulled into the collapsed planet by gravity and on the other side, the nearest ring detected and rematerialised her. Technically you can reprogram the stargate to send matter the other way, but it was not done, because you will need to overwrite the protocols on both stargates or else whatever you sent the opposite direction will not be rematerialised. This theory also explains why the gate address is based on charting a course through space by using 6 points in space for coordinates and 7th symbol as a point of origin, rather than fixed symbols like a phone number. This is for the stargate to calculate the distance and trajectory of the wormhole in normal space. The stargate can't communicate with each other without establishing a wormhole, so there is no way to the other gate to know that someone it dialing it. It just sits there and wait till a wormhole forms in the vicinity and pulls it onto itself like a magnet. The stargate has to dial each other to perform an update. Dialing another galaxy requires an 8th symbol to distance calculation. So basically you are shooting in the direction on a specific coordinate, and then the 8th symbol provides additional distance of how much you have to overshoot it to reach the target outside of the known network. The only address that is not a coordinate would be destiny. It's basically a hardcoded address. Remember, the phonebook they found on Abydos are outdated gate addresses made by the Goa'ulds. They had to compensate for stellar drift as the coordinates for the gates have drifted and did not work anymore
No, you're assuming his arm was disabled when it was not. The receiving gate simply recognized an object was blocking the event horizon.
I’m basing it off of ‘a hundred days’. Where the MALP enters the receiving event horizon and is dematerialised into the buffer and becomes lost. Which is what would happen to Jacks arm.
while i love the SG series, i do find it somewhat funny for these logic to be bestowed upon how the gate works while the ramp at the SGC is seemingly impervious to being dematerialized by the event horizon, in the scene with jack's hand in the event horizon, you can clearly see the ramp part that spans the front and back of the gate is continuous after the gate shuts off :P
The events horizon was a easy to make effect in the movie and was originally filmed using water. The function of the Stargate and the technology used was simplified on the TV show and is not really supposed to make perfect sence.
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what about the planet that stargate Atlantis takes place that was flooded and the gate was under water, they were dialed via Atlantis, the water that the gate was flooded with should have gone through the other gate with this idea that it can go both ways, but it didn't.
it's also possibly an oversight of the show and it was never really explained, like the idea of entering the gate from behind, what happens then? do you just get pushed back through the front of the gate, or do you dematerialize on the other side on another planet?
but again, going back to the water idea, i'm not sure it's completely possible.
and the weird thing about Vala going through the transmission of the supergate and somehow being transported to the Ori galaxy is, did her matter stream connect to a nearby planet where that super gate was located within their galaxy?
like how exactly did vala make it in one piece within their galaxy, i suppose it's possible there was at least one Ori mother ship there on the other side that picked up her matter stream and she was put onboard their ship via rings, because we know they already had ring transporter tech.
that's another thing to talk about, i have had this conversation with a few people before and they didn't believe me when i said that the Ori already had gate travel outside of their super gate, and we know this because of the pilot episode of sg1 where they first discovered the Ori galaxy right after talking to a prior, suddenly we see a prior out of nowhere appear in the milky way galaxy through a milky way gate, how would they be able to do this if they didn't have stargate tech for themselves that has existed for an unknown amount of time?
now i used to think this was an oversite by the shows writers and just assumed it was due to Ori ascended magic being used, but then i thought about it more and more and came to the conclusion that they have had gate travel for some time within their galaxy, but we just have no idea how long they have been using this idea.
@@5226-p1e The Atlantis gate not sending the water backwards is because water is normal matter when entering the receiving buffer - so it would be stored and not sent. Only ring transporter energy/radio waves can be sent either way.
Entering through the back of the gate hasn’t been explained so isn’t a plot hole/issue.
The Ori don’t have a network of gates or any gates in my opinion (apart from a cobbled together one to send priors).
The Alterans left and created Stargates without the Ori.
In the Ori galaxy, the culture we see via Daniel using the stones didn’t have any idea of other races or people. So there isn’t a gate on that planet. Logically, the Ori wouldn’t want their followers to travel throughout the galaxy and spread ideas against them. Which was a big mistake for the Goauld.
The Ori can figure out how to build stuff after becoming ascended beings (because they’re basically gods at that point) and instruct the priors/followers on how to build them.
The only tech they share from the start is ring technology.
The thing with Valas pattern: I’d say the Ori knew she was coming coz the priors have future visions through the Ori themselves.
Valas pattern didn’t go through the Supergate, because there was no event horizon.
She went through the gate that was on the collapsing planet, just before it was destroyed. They would have set up a set of rings beside the cobbled Stargate.
@Gate Traveller
the thing is, in the past i would have agreed with you about the gate idea within the Ori galaxy, however because i have researched their history and thought about how they would control an entire galaxy of other worlds, they would have had to have more stargates within their own galaxy.
for example, the lore states that the Ori galaxy has several more worlds that they control, they could potentially travel by ship, but if they have gate travel why not use it?
it's faster and you can cover much more ground in a shorter period of time using a gate than traveling with a ship, the other reason why i believe they had more gates within their galaxy is simply due to them sharing relation to the Alteran, they were of the same people once in their distant past, now the Ori leaders were likely the only ones using this tech when they took control over the galaxy, and the followers were likely never to use these devices or even capable of using them because they knew nothing of how they worked or would be used anyway, given that the Ori convinced them to stop using technology.
but going back to the idea of them all sharing the same tech as they were all once one united society, and they were an advanced society, they had space ship travel and ring travel and even the communication stones existed back then, these stones are capable of being used with vast distances, which suggests at one point they as a society they possibly used these devices outside of their own home galaxy.
there are just to many things to point to that they had the capability and knowledge of at one point within their civilization, now we only know of their present story and what the show allowed let us know about, but if they all came from the same society and suddenly dropped all of their advancements and traded it all for religion, that makes no sense for many different reasons reasons.
the scientist who created the first stargates got his idea from the use of the ring transporters, which means there is some kind of relation and connection to how they work and how stargates work, so it's possible that someone on the side of the Ori also created a version of gate travel, likely created for the use of the priors and perhaps this engineer was promised ascension for creating this tech and it's also possible they allow him to ascend within their ranks.
but the Ori are not gods, they are not all seeing or even all knowing, they simply have a greater knowledge and understanding of things within the universe, these are words taken from daniel jackson when he was ascended, and the same truth exists even for the Ori.
knowledge can possibly be shared and hoarded within the ascended realm, the Alteran were wrong to assume that the Ori would never share their power or knowledge with others, the evidence was found out when earth used merlin's weapon and destroyed the Ori, the newly ascended Adria told the truth that there were a great many who were within the fold of the Ori's ranks, they only appeared to be all seeing and all knowing and all powerful because so many were sharing that power and upholding the values of the Ori, it's possible they started out this way, but then changed their mind as they grew to understand that it was easier to relegate and manage that power and responsibility to keep a watchful eye on the plane populations that kept them in power through worship.
anyway, i have made this topic a bit too long like i always do with these in depth subjects like stargate lol, sorry, i really love delving deeper into the lore and figuring out the possible motivations behind the story.
this is all theory of course, i'm not making it a definitive catalogue of the Ori, perhaps an unofficial story that has not been told, the funny thing with this idea i have gotten the youtube channel gate world and dial the gate to think about this idea, and they really like the idea and even talked about it once upon a time.
we even did a theory episode on what that Ori gate would possibly look like, it was fun speculating, that's what i'm best at when it comes to the never talked about stuff in stargate.
@@5226-p1e yeah, of course it’s possible (and somewhat likely) that the Ori can have Stargates. I’m kind of in a position where I’m more on the side of thinking they don’t have them in bulk, rather than not at all.
I like to think that to stop the spread of misinformation and to keep the followers in line, they keep each planet separated without a Stargate network to link them. They definitely have at least one gate (used to send the priors) but at least for now, I think that’s all they have a need for. They really don’t need gates to achieve their goals since they are ascended, and gates are only useful for physical beings really. I know they can be used by the ascended but most of the Ori seem to all dwell inside the city of the gods, Celestis.
Having gates throughout their galaxy would only be useful for the followers and priors. They could turn normal devote followers from each planet into priors without having to alter them and then transport them via ship or gate.
You’re definitely onto something, and there is a lot of evidence to suggest they could have gates.
I just don’t think they have a need for them.
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well it's all speculation of course, but i have had many other speculations on their civilization outside of the idea of gates, like their Original motivations.
the show's lore suggest that the Ori were not ascended until some time after the Alteran ascended, but there is no evidence in the show of this information being the truth, but for some reason it was found within the wiki, and i have kind of made some people rethink about this with my comments within the wiki as well, because sometimes they will add information that wasn't within the lore, but was assumed to be within the lore and call it factual, and i usually chime in to talk about it further.
but it's been a while since i have been to the wiki, anyway we know why the Alteran left their galaxy, but we don't know why they stayed for so long under the boot of the Ori, but also during that time the Ori were not ascended, which means they really had nothing to fear from them, they gave up their technology in favor of their religion, but why do this as a motivation at all and how did the Ori control the population back then without this kind of power if they were not ascended?
typically nobody except me ask these kinds of questions, because most people just accept the lore that was told to them without really thinking of how these parts of the story make any sense.
i mean can you picture an advanced society, just suddenly dropping the use of all their technology in favor of a religion that holds no power outside of numbers?
but how did they get to this point in the first place? how did the religion of Origin come to get this big of influence and how did they outnumber the advanced side of their civilization?
now i would argue against the idea that the Ori ascended much later from what the lore states, because religions like this don't just pop up out of nowhere, there would have had to of been some kind of major influence to get the majority population to jump on board to the side of the Ori and give up all of their advanced tech and progress as a civilization.
it almost sounds like they were being programed to believe in the Ori, but we know that isn't why people followed the Ori, we know Arneilius the gate inventor also invented a device to program the opposite of what the Ori were promising through his Ark Of Truth, but his idea was shot down by the others, because of the fundamental values of the Alteran was "freedom of will" and as a group, they thought it would be just as bad as a result to do such a thing, even though on the Alteran side, they pretty much left everyone in their home galaxy to forever be fated in the enslavement of the Ori and their religion.
there are so many little questions that never really get answered in the motivations of the story, and usually people just accept them as they are being told without ever considering the why the how these things exist in the story.
i'm alweys guessing you could do that in theory. The limitation may be by design as some kind of safety feature.
Also this does not seem to apply to radio waves you can send and receive data without problem
You missed the key fact. The power to create a stable wormhole is MASSIVE. You can’t physically pass from one stargate to another because the aperture of the wormhole is microscopic. So, the dialing gate and receiving gate act as a one way transporter. You are reduced to energy and sent to the receiving gate where you are materialized at the event horizon. Matter transmission and cohesive energy (e.g., plasma bolts) can only go one way, but lesser energy forms (e.g., radio waves) can go both ways through an open wormhole.
It'd be a cool concept if particular gate network actually connected in a two-way travel. There will be no event horizon and essentially be an active tunnel. Think how XMen Blink uses her portals in Days of Future Past. Maybe a limitation could be short distance for power and stable connection. So instead of a galaxy network a single star system or two. We barely know anything about the Furlings. Maybe a great way to discuss their descendants and their tech.
I think you're actually onto something there. Do you think deliberately placing two transport rings back and front of a receiving stargate (say, Gate Destroyer world from Anubis for example) and firing the one on front to call the one in the back, would cause the rings' matter stream to accidentally shoot into the event horizon and get reclaimed by the nearest platform on the other side? I think I could totally use a similar idea for a certain project >:) ...
That’s a great idea actually. I’m not sure if the matter stream would pass through the event horizon or not, but if it did the Rings on the other side would have to be pretty much lined up with the Stargate. An Asgard beam would become distorted through a wormhole, so I assume that a ring matter stream would as well, but I’m not sure.
@@Gatetraveller1 Well that's basically what happened to Vala, so I guess it won't distort to be unreconstructable. I guess the ring energy matter have some redundancies built in, a bit like a QR code contains excessive information to be able to be read even if seriously damaged, the same way I guess the matter stream is redundant enough to be able to reconstruct even if it is somewhat distorted.
Imagine you need to evacuate from a planet, you lost the rest of your unit and all contact with them. You run to the gate and you see it being open... ...How would you even know if it's outgoing and your salvation or ingoing and a suicide?
What if you try to enter the backside of an outgoing stargate.
By that I mean going behind the gate in SGC for example, waiting for them to open, and then stepping forward.
There isn’t a clear answer on that. I think you would either slide through the event horizon, as in stepping through it like jumping through a waterfall OR you would repelled OR you would become stored in the buffer like stepping into an incoming wormhole
@@Gatetraveller1 that should be addressed in the new series if they film it
I would imagine that the incoming can be passed through the other side / enter the event horizon without proceeding onto oncoming. The width of the event horizon is able to be broken passing through the on coming and backed stargates would bump them back out preventing a lost. But still is able to be entered allowing things like radio waves to enter and energy and they don't process mass to interrupt oncoming travelers. This also explains why the talions can use their phase tech to bypass the iris. And gives a kind of nod to their way of thinking. Why question which way the door is opened when you can simply walk through it. And would eventually create the tech to pass through stargates either way. Which also using this as both defensive weapon tactic or offensive. Bypassing shields and blocks and curving the which way the wormhole is opened.
I originally thought that as well, but when Jack was trapped offworld they send a MALP through while the gate is sideways. It falls back into the incoming event horizon and is destroyed. That’s the reason we know what happens when you enter the wrong side.
@@Gatetraveller1 I don't remember that incident. Jack was stranded off world a bunch. I remember a malp falling onto its side in a fox hole.
@@Gatetraveller1 if the gate was face up and the malp fell into it and little to no backspace then it exploded. I think it would be for a visual reason and not one for in universe. That would be what the video said it would be stored inside the crystals and disapate
@@aaronmoreton it’s in the episode ‘a hundred days’
The MALP comes out the horizontal Stargate and immediately falls back down after fully exiting. Sam later says that the MALP was destroyed by entering the event horizon and it is not seen when Tealc travels through and attaches himself to the kawoosh cave ceiling (the gate shuts down and you can see behind the event horizon).
Nope, Bratac said that he knew a man who tried that once, we don't know much about what happened,only that his death was most unpleasant
Carter already explained you cant.
First time i hear its a one way System, in what episodes did they say that?
Multiple episodes throughout.
The plot of the movie shows this regardless, as they had to find the Abydos point of origin symbol to get home. If it was two way then Earth could just dial and then they walk through.
@@Gatetraveller1 thanks its a long time since i watched it
No
Yet radio transmissions can travel back and forth through the gate ..
They are a form of energy, so can travel either direction.
@@Gatetraveller1 everything is a form of energy .. It was just in the script not based in science
@@xadam2dudexI think I should make one point clear, you can send matter through a wormhole in any direction, from any side of each gate.
The only issue is that while the matter will arrive at the other end, it won't be in the same arrangement as when you entered.
That's why you have the workaround with one gate turning your body into a signal, that being sent through the wormhole and the other gate reassembling you and that's what introduces the directionality.
So yes both matter and radio waves will move in both directions but if you want the object to arrive in one piece you need to have a way for the matter to be reassembled in it's original shape or for the object to be completely digitized and remade from scratch on the other side and that is a function Stargates provide only in one direction