Sign pesce to his 6x6 deal , get brossiot because calgary will absolutely fleece Toronto.on any deal period !! , maybe check in with Anaheim on gibby maybe if the ducks eat 2 mill off his salary every year 4 mill for gibby sounds good , and for FUCK SAKES trade marner one or 2 of the core 5 need to gooooooooooo
Can’t argue that but Mitch is invested with this guy. Does he sign a contract with him too and how can he cut ties? Imagine an agent that complains that his guy didn’t get entry level bonuses like auston and wants to be paid like him too going forward. Dubas caved and root cause of how the Leafs are operating behind an eight ball.
Mitch has gotten everything he wanted from MLSE so far, so job well done for Ferris! Don't blame Mitch or Ferris, blame MLSE and Shanny. MLSE has caved every time so far - one last chance now to set the team up for success.
The crazy thing is….if Marner had done anything to push the Leafs to the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs AND shown any degree of leadership in doing so we would not be having this discussion
1993 Detroit Redwings say hello. 7 years of Yzerman no cups.. 😮 There were plenty of people losing their minds wanting him traded. He didn't win anything for 13yrs. The problems on this team go way deeper than a top 10 two-way talent who has struggles in the playoffs. This fan base is out to lunch. No wonder players want extra money to play in this looney bin of a hockey market.
Think a lot of fans are upset with Marner, but the reality is, he's not the only Top-5 points/60 for the last few years player to have difficulties in the playoffs against tough teams like Boston and Florida. Skilled forwards will always take a back-seat in trench warfare. Who is the 'man' who just smashes the wall down? Bertuzzi? Hell even Matthews and Tavares had >50% more hits/60 than he did. Look at the Oilers success now that they're up against Florida. McDavid is still McDavid but the Oilers aren't built for Eastern opponents. Hyman might be a great player against soft teams, but he's not a bull in the China shop that can give McDavid just that little more time and space needed for success. If Marner had a Mark Messier, Gary Roberts, etc., type player on his line, the talk would be completely different.
Marner is a very skilled player and when it comes down to edge work, he is just behind McDavid. Marner is part of a group of players that requires open ice to perform. The NHL relax rules in the playoffs which make Marner type players ineffective; and if you are watching the games, especially the American fans love the “rockem sockem” hockey. The NHL is in the entertainment business; it will not change. If the Leafs’ goal is to win Stanley, the blueprint must change.
I would have liked to see Mitch and this core under a new coach, now we have the coach but perhaps Mitch won’t be around? I’d like to see Mitch resign at a reasonable price and play under Berube, then make decisions…
Lots of oohing and aahing about Marner playing out his contract and walking. It would be nice to get a good return in a trade but if not his and Johnny T's money coming off the books would give the Leafs a ton of cap space to address their back end needs. Would like to see Bertuzzi/Domi return but Elliott is correct, it has to be a favourable term for both.
Trade him get him the F out of here .This BS of giving these star players exactly what they want has to stop NOW .These guys are getting paid top dollar and they havent won a damm thing .They should have done the same with Willy too but its too late they are stuck with him how for 8 years .Florida is proving it this year that you dont need a 69 goal scorer or 3 superstars to to win a CUp All you need is 20 good players that work hard and buy into the system .
Lol the problem in Toronto was signing Tavares, thinking they can solve all their problems spending money. They couldn't even do the rebuild properly. They are not, were not, and are not going to be close next year. If you're buying into that idea at this point your dumb.
Coincidence that in the 1st year of the 'no move' component of his contract, that Marner just looked unhappy for most of the year? Is it the fish bowl environment & the haters on social media of Toronto that were bothering him? Whatever it is, maybe he will consider waiving for the right opportunity. Personally, I think he's a Leaf to start the season & if he walks as a UFA, so be it. They'll have his 11M at minimum to spend elsewhere in 2025 assuming he leaves. I've admired Mitch as a high skill guy, but he has been just average in half of the post-season series he's been in. To me, that's NOT 11M worth of production.
..the Shanaplan turned into a pile of overpaid underachievers..losers abound..the future pissed away maintaining the gutless core..Shanahan the only constant and he is the problem...
When Pelley gave Shanahan the big endorsement at that press conference I knew we were f***** going forward.Pelley is another stuffed shirt who has no idea what it takes to put a winning team together.
The Shanaplan was a Shanascam from day 1. It shouldn't surprise anyone that a man with zero experience running an NHL franchise failed miserably his first try.
The team was not gutless against Boston. They out hit them through the series. IMO, the problem was goaltending. Woll should have been in the net from game 1. The defense played better than other years in the playoffs. They held Boston to 30 shots or less the whole series.
@@Lawrence-vi7qk Like McDavid…who is having the exact same results vs Florida as Mitch and Auston. Should Edmonton move on from McDavid and Draisaitl? McDavid makes 12.5
Ovechkin was in the league for 13 years before he decided to become a team player instead of padding his stats and we all know what happened when he did so. When the best players on the Leafs decide to do the same, that's when they become champs.
Not that complicated Friedman - let Marner play out the year, minimize his impact on the team, 2nd/3rd line, no pk time, minimize pp time, resulting in his personal stats being deflated down to 25G, 35A and say adios, good luck Mitch! Next contract will be seriously eroded with those stats and his poor attitude. Leafs have to send a message to everyone with that move.
Something no one is talking about, if Marner gets hurt during the season and its severe enough he will lose millions. Lots of risk on Marners part. Hockey isnt baseball.
Something you may not be aware of is that tED WAS bought out by AOL AND HE ran a good chunk of it, Marketing, so he knows how to make his portfolio better.
We need to change our thinking. What about the fans? The ones who work hard at real jobs? You will see, they hold the cards. Wait till Mitch gets the Sundin treatment. They are fed up.
Can't blame Marner for that. That was all Dubas. Chose to keep Kerfoot instead of qualifying Rodrigues and protecting McCann from the expansion draft. Had no cap space to keep Hyman.
This channel has become the Marner Nation with the ridiculous amount of coverage. Like there are more things going on guys. It's not like Nylander got this level of coverage when his contract was coming up. The fact that Willy was basically untradable last year (for what the leafs wanted in return). Why do we think Marner will get what the leafs want? He will just walk on July 1st or the leafs overpay him like they overpaid willy.
Re, Marner's 'no move' clause: I don't understand why the other guys with the same clause in their contracts seem to be untouchable. Tevares for instance: to me John T. is grossely overpaid for what he brings and there doesn't seem to be a lot of pressure on him to agree to a move. Why are they pushing Marner out the door and treat the others like they are untouchable? Thanks.
Youre trying to get a rational response from leaf fans but idk how thats gonna work out for you. The answer from my perspective is that you are completely right, but that's not what the media are saying and most people are sheep so that's not popular opinion right now. Right now maple leafs are using the media against marner but he's the a**hole somehow.
You answered your own question. If we move Tavares we will have to retain salary. The point is to get cap space to invest in other players (or get in return via trade). Marner has the most market value, hence he is the one to move.
@@rossjackson2929 You don't seem to understand my question. We are told that John and Willie are untouchable due to their no trade clause's and that's why they are targeting Mitch. But he also has the no trade clause. Why is it that John and Willie are untouchable due to the clause but Mitch is not?
Don't talk so dumb. You sit him or try and screw him over other players will see this and good luck trying to get any key free agent's in the future. This coaching staff won't baby Mitch so unless he wants to go he plays until free agency and walks. You lose a talented player but you have the T contract and the Marner contract plus a rising cap to fill this void. If Mitch walks for nothing it's not the end of the world.
What if? What if? Should've, Would've, Could've...Leafs put themselves in a bind now are stuck in this ridiculous predicament. Did not trade Marner before his no move clause kicked in, thinking it will be different but once again it's the same scenario spiraling out of control.
Leafs paid for potential playoff capabilities and not getting the results in the playoffs. You don't want to give up a player like Marner but you also don't want to pay him because you need to fill out the roster. These players should have never been paid in the first place before having done the work
Nothing will happen until after July 1 when Marner receives a $7M signing bonus,leaving his actual salary at $775,k. If he is driven by greed it's in his best interest agreeing to a trade since that team can offer an 8 year term with all 31 other teams limited to a 7 year term...
There's a "Nyah-Na-Na-Na-Boo-Boo" anxiety aspect to this. Trading Marner, under pressure for not enough of a return to a team that goes deeper in the playoffs than the Leafs in subsequent years OR who wins it all would be shameful and career ending to any GM/President.
Elliot is always suppressing a cough in the various hits he does on podcasts. Is he taking a big bong rip before each one? It would explain his disheveled appearance. 😂
Wow, only the leafs could care about feelings before business 🤣 Just when you think things can't get more ridiculous in leaf land, they never fail to have hold my beer moments. If marner dont wave his no trade, I would pay him to watch the season in the press box and wouldnt let him touch the ice all year. F-it at this point. And yeah, of course he wants to stay, who the hell wouldnt in his position..
They require goalies, defencemen, and at least one centremen. Where do you suppose the money to subsidize all these dreams will come from?? Klingberg experiments do not work! Marner, Domi, Bertuzzi will not work financially or in terms of team vision.
Come on guys you're just picking on Marner it takes more than one player to win games and yes Marner is most consistent player on the team so please stop your negative opinions about Marner i would take him before any other player on the team q
Quit crying about people being mean to Marner. Yes fans get harsh on players that underperform in the playoffs. A example would be Trouba being ripped by Ranger fans. But these guys are professional athletes making millions a year. As fans who make emotional and financial commitments we have every right to go after the player performance if its unacceptable.
If Marner wants to stay then sign a team friendly contract for 8x8million. Show the fans you want to be here and you are already set for life. Plus there is money to sign other players. Tavares needs to do the same at 5x 5 or beat it geeks!
Marner's produced at a 90+ pt clip for 6 consecutive years. I checked. Why would he take a 3M yearly hit to sign with Toronto? He might do 8 x 10M but I doubt it. If he's a UFA July 2025, someone will pay him more than 11M. A 200 foot guy who plays in all situations. JT's 34 this Sept, so why a 5 year deal? I like JT, but not anything longer than 3 x 5M. Super fit guy who will likely produce 50-60 pts min for another 2-3 yrs. That's the problem with Tanev at 34 btw. A lot of hard miles.
@@bigdave8437 I get it. He’s a great player but he’s done nothing in the playoffs and this core 4 methodology hasn’t worked. It would be insane to keep him at this point. I don’t think he is a bad player. It’s just a bad situation. Either sign low or you have to go.
Guys in their 30's seem to always want 5 or 6 years to carry them financially into their later years when they typically start to fade off production-wise. Sadly, because the market for UFA's is always overpricing players, the Leafs are in a real bind if they think they can get 4 decent defensemen with their remaining cap space.
In order for the Leafs to be a championship team, management needs to acknowledge what is BEST for the team, NOT the player! 8 years of giving players the world, has ended each playoff year with consistent failure? BIG change is required now!
Nonsense. It's not that the core needs to be changed, it's that the core needs more good players on the roster. Especially since Tavares is in decline and eats up too much cap space. The problem is management. They give out huge contracts and now the team can't spend on better players for the bottom part of the roster. Leafs need some players willing to give a discount on their salary. and that includes Marner. 34 & 88 didn't do that.
Ok lets lay this out nice and simple here When Mitch moved from the Tavares lines Johns numbers went down and Matthews went up with Mitch Marner There was some connection with Domi and Matthews at the end of the season Now ... if the leafs trade Mitch and can't get Max signed then where does that leave the best scorer in the NHL? Do you guys really think Matthews will be ok if his numbers drop? If management brings in a skilled play maker to play with Matthews then they are just trying to replace Marner with no guarantee it will work. All this and this city will be crying over Willys contract by year 2 or 3 This city is the center of the NHL and also the joke of the NHL
Whether it's the right thing to do or not, I doubt they trade Marner. I have a hard time believing that hes going to agree, and they would settle on a deal with another team.
How has a playoff start with killer instinct like Shanahan was ALLOW THE SOFT CULTURE THAT IS THE LEAFS!?!?!? FKN HAVING A DJ PLAY MUSIC AT PRACTICE? COMPLETE DISGRACE BY SHANNY
Mitch just needs a fresh start. Even if the Leafs just let him walk after next year - to avoid Leafs overpaying him $11Million at the end of next year. Mitch has honoured all his Leafs Contracts and for his regular seasons successes - Leaf Fans, Leaf Followers and Leaf Trolls - all should respect Mitch should he play out his contract next year and then walk over to perhaps sign with Dubas and the Penguins. Why not? 😀
Marner is a multi million dollar cluster **** conundrum. The chain reaction on all other contracts and roles in the team for the 2024-25 season will be devastating. It’s as straightforward as math at this point. Even for Marner it’s way better to move on now than later… 😵😵💫🤨
Those guys wasn't going to sign back with Calgary, but they waited until it was to late when they notified the team. Otherwise, Treliving would have negotiated with Colombus and Florida to try and get a deal done. Those guys done no favors for Calgary, just like Sundin, done to the Leafs when he signed with Vancouver.
As fans we need to push these players out. If they think they can stay in a market where your not wanted your nuts. We need to buy billboards that say leave marner leave and f your agent!
The question isn't about if Marner is a good player. It's about is he a good fit for the Leafs at the cap hit he's at currently. The Leafs have too many of the similar type of player. Look at it this way: You can't just take a prime Mario Lemieux and clone him 20 times to make up your team and expect to win against top teams. Is prime Mario a great player? Yes, but a great team isn't a team made up of him. Oh, and then there's a salary cap, too.
@@thewickedone2676 Not to sure about that! Ullmark is in his last year of his contract and Boston can’t afford to keep him and can’t let him walk out the door with no return (no move clause). J.DeBrusk is a UFA now and been wanting out of Boston for years now!
Leafs keep Mitch Marner and signs him for 5 years at 12 million. They trade Tavares to Utah for Cooley and Tavares accepts the trade because Utah agrees to sign him and pay him 9 million for two more season after his big contract runs out. Matthews now becomes the Captain of the Leafs. Leafs trade Rielly to Vancouver for a first and third round draft choice. Also Leafs trade Kempf and Liljegren to San Jose for Ferraro. Leafs trade Robertson to St. Louis for Snuggerud and he plays with Marlies next season (Knies, Cooley and Snuggerud played well in Minesota) Leafs do not re sign Bertuzzi or Domi. Leafs sign Zadorov and Tanev as free agents. Zadorov gets 4 years at 5.75 million and Tanev gets 2 years at 3.5 million. Leafs sign Winnipeg back-up goaltender and resign Jones. Forward lines: McMann, Matthews, Marner...Knies, Cooley, Nylander....Holmberg, Minten, Jarnkrok...Cowan, Dewar, Reaves....Steeves. Leafs Defence....Zadorov and Tanev, McCabe and Benoit, Ferraro and Timmins and Topi Niemela. Leafs Goalie....Woll starter, Brossoit backup, Jones or Hildeby playing for Marlies ready for call-up.
The situation could not be simpler - and it is because of the egos. You tell Mitch he is never playing again. You actually don't play Mitch. Why would you? Its another wasted season just like the last one. If they don't make the playoffs oh well, the point is following through on your threat. You go to the playoffs with Marner its another round one loss. He refuses to leave then either way its a wasted season. Just like the last. Would Mitch ego stand up for a) actually being benched a whole year b) thinking he is actually good enough to not play an entire year and not drop in value. You play hardball the options are 50/50, either mitch stays and cries from the sidelines or takes the hint and leaves. You don't play hardball there is one single outcome - he stays, waits out his contract and its another wasted season. Mathews is another year older and further out of his prime.
Elliot will love this Idea. Okay, the Leafs want to change the makeup of the team. Marner will not talk new contract. This cap space that you will have to spend on UFAs. Even next year he wants to explore free agency which screws us again. Not interested in a sign and trade which would give him an 8 year deal (not 7 years) and maybe we get back a D or goalie. How does this make sense for anyone. This year has good free agents available to fill holes. I do not think it can be any more clear, MITCH no longer WANTS to be a LEAF. Why not give him his wish now so we can move forward. Agree to release him from his contract, so he is UFA July 1 2024. Then he can resign here or anywhere he wants. We can then move forward. If JT does not want to extend cheap give him the same option. Lots of cap room now instead of waiting until next year. Best solution for both sides.
The smartest moves for MLSE will transpire as follows: Have Marner play out his contract and not resign him - it doesn't matter if they get nothing for him in a trade this year, his contract will be off the books, they would have paid him anyway. Players on their final year of expiring contracts play harder. Once Draisaitl is available end of next year they should put the best offer forward to acquire his superior PLAYOFFS services. The current highest paid player on the Leafs couldn't care less about winning in the playoffs - he's not going to risk injury, or sacrifice long term future pain to do whatever it takes to win, it also cuts into his down time back home in Arizona (chilling on the yacht with Bieber and his friends). 34 wouldn't sign for eight years because he wants to keep his options open, so four years is all he gave us. If the Leafs wimp out again in next years playoffs then get rid of Prima Donna Matthews and go after a player that will sacrifice his own well being to win. When McDavid comes available the following year it's incumbent on MLSE to bring him home - If Lebron can go home to Cleveland, McDavid can come home to Toronto - his career is finite, and too short. Who cares if Matthews scores 80 regular season goals. If he can't dominate in the playoffs we don't need him. He'll be more than happy to go play in La La land. Then take the 13.25M he's getting and use it to bring in McDavid for 15M. Of course those in charge of hockey operations only view 34 as a merchandise revenue generator for MLSE - they too don't care if the Leafs win in the playoffs - they'll still make their millions in salary, and don't have the balls, or are willing to follow through with what's best for building a playoff competitive team..Bowmanville Dave
Or even sit him. As a guy with a Marner jersey, I'd love to see that. Let't see how many teams are willing to pay over 11M with term for a guy that didn't post any points.
@@RobbieG17 Childishly vindictive. Berube wants to make the post-season. Sitting a 200 ft RW who's produced at a 90+ pt rate for 6 years would make zero sense as a coach. His 11M counts against the cap. Don't you have a better idea?
I hope we pass on Brossoit, either trade for an upgrade or see what Berube can do with Samsonov + Woll. We’ve gotta stop giving up on our goalies so soon.
Zthe best thing for Marnir is to leave the leafs look at Hyman playing in the finals where are the leafs the best for any player is to b. Trated away from the leafs
Marner will play this season in Toronto and just to stick it up the leafs ass for putting this on him... he will walk for free and the leafs will get nothing in return!
I always said that Marner needs to go,but we all know that the leafs are wimps, more than likely here till end of year. At that time 2 can come off books
It’s about the logo on the crest if that’s not important then he’s gone they are all gone it’s about the team they all need to understand that Willy does can’t complain about his contract or play missed 3 games and came back and showed up can’t say the same about the rest
Get rid of whoever you want and I will guarantee you that unless they buy into the new coach they will be the same team. With or without marner. Regular season cash cows and playoff debacle. It's not about defense it's about they can't fn score come crunch time. Mark my words.
Marner doesn’t have thick skin. He hates media and he is getting trashed now. I think we should keep the guy but at a lower pay. Sign him 7 years at 9mil or 10mil but no more.
I look at Florida and no amount of talent on Edmonton even comes close to competing in playoffs. Get rid of Marner so someone other than Willy can tell him to stop whining on the bench.
Marner is the best overall player in the Leafs team. Yes Matthews is a great goal scorer; but he would have a minimum of 25% less goals without Marner. Marner is easily the best playmaker & a terrific defensive player too, which is totally underrated. Yes, the ridiculous Reffing in the playoffs, which allows holding , an insane amount of interference etc... always hurts the skilled players the most. Marner has 50 points in 57 games in the playoffs. That's an 88% rate of ultimately creating goals in playoff games. Matthews has 48 points in 55 playoff games. That's 87% efficiency & he's not nearly as good as Marner defensively. Nylander has 43 points in 54 playoff games. That is an 80 % rate of efficiency. Again, Nylander is not nearly as good as Marner defensively. Remember that assists ultimately= goals. It amazes me how Toronto fans & media totally treat their own Toronto raised player so badly. Believe me, that Toronto will regret the day that they allow Marner to go to another team..He will come back & smoke the Leafs!!!
57 games 50 points in the playoffs, the maple leafs failed this homegrown kid , I am genuinely shocked and disappointed how most leafs fans are reacting to Mitch but really it’s the organization who should get the blame
Matthews will want Marner feeding him the puck. So the team will welcome Marner or Matthews will force the GM to trade the complainers. Matthews is king.
How could anyone play in that town with the likes of the media , and yes that includes you three bums, criticizing and over- analyzing every single move…. It would make anybody simply say fuck it… pay me. Leafs and Senators will never achieve anything because their “fans “ and “media” are horrible. Ontario…. IS HORRIBLE.
U know all this marner talk is not gonna be good on leafs ,,u know who I would trade Matthews,,, they have a great record without him and him.in playoffs is a joke also he's American most of the goals he gets is junk fluke goals and plays sooo many minutes and takes sooo many shots Soo overated he's no mcdavid
Blah blah blah! , leafs sucked us in with all the ite championship pedigree builders in the beginning. And lied and 2 yrs later chose our culture we r! Has shit to do with players. We groom ayers to be the best European style pond hockey culture in all.of hockey!...decade of wasted mass opportunity! PERIOD!...BABBLE BABBLE BABBLE YADA YADA ! leaf Inc and their jersey sales for all the modern Xbox fans!....oilers were.other team did it for last decade. They finally now sick.of it as a culture too. As long as playoffs still.canadas game xanadas holy grail cup and playoffs!. All clubs srill build.canadian played systems.lf hockey to be deep cup teams So whay the he'll u talking abkut. Marner is a ever 4 generstion.skilled guy!!! The franchise wasted!....blame blame blame in mkdern leafs nation. When it's really and always been aboit simple culture as a franchise...class dismissed
The Leafs focus prior to training camp, should be, 2-3 d-men and a solid goaltender!
Sign pesce to his 6x6 deal , get brossiot because calgary will absolutely fleece Toronto.on any deal period !! , maybe check in with Anaheim on gibby maybe if the ducks eat 2 mill off his salary every year 4 mill for gibby sounds good , and for FUCK SAKES trade marner one or 2 of the core 5 need to gooooooooooo
@@tr41l3rp4rkb0ys Tavares is gone next year
Darren Ferris is poison for Mitch’s public reputation.
Mitch picked him, so he's responsible for being a greedy little weasel...
@@bjornjonsson7037superstars are greedy, bums are willing to settle for minimum wage
Mitch picked his poison..
Can’t argue that but Mitch is invested with this guy. Does he sign a contract with him too and how can he cut ties? Imagine an agent that complains that his guy didn’t get entry level bonuses like auston and wants to be paid like him too going forward. Dubas caved and root cause of how the Leafs are operating behind an eight ball.
Mitch has gotten everything he wanted from MLSE so far, so job well done for Ferris! Don't blame Mitch or Ferris, blame MLSE and Shanny. MLSE has caved every time so far - one last chance now to set the team up for success.
The crazy thing is….if Marner had done anything to push the Leafs to the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs AND shown any degree of leadership in doing so we would not be having this discussion
Yea you're right, mcdavid can't even win the cup and bedard can't make the playoffs should trade them
@@patrickgoulet8170preach, plus the clown forgot about Marner leading them last year in points past the first round
Yeah nothing says leadership like 0 goals and 5 assists in all game 5,6,7s
Who is saying that do not want him? Fans
They gave that money to Nylander
It’s a miracle but Elliott’s hair looks pretty good
What GM in the league would allow this to go on for 7yrs and not think a change is due?
1993 Detroit Redwings say hello.
7 years of Yzerman no cups.. 😮
There were plenty of people losing their minds wanting him traded.
He didn't win anything for 13yrs.
The problems on this team go way deeper than a top 10 two-way talent who has struggles in the playoffs.
This fan base is out to lunch.
No wonder players want extra money to play in this looney bin of a hockey market.
@@charlied9599 fan base or media?
@@charlied9599 bingo
@@charlied9599 weak hockey players not wanted
A Leafs GM
Imagine going back 20 years and telling the coaches you have to consider a players sensitivity.
My god.
You think it’s just hockey?
if i ever got paid 10.9mil my sensitivities would be all gone
Welcome to Justin Trudeau"s soft, wacko Canada.
Yeah, times have changed. “Sensitive” players get coaches fired nowadays…..(Bruce Cassidy)
women hocket reporters talking about safe plce is also out there lol
Think a lot of fans are upset with Marner, but the reality is, he's not the only Top-5 points/60 for the last few years player to have difficulties in the playoffs against tough teams like Boston and Florida. Skilled forwards will always take a back-seat in trench warfare. Who is the 'man' who just smashes the wall down? Bertuzzi? Hell even Matthews and Tavares had >50% more hits/60 than he did. Look at the Oilers success now that they're up against Florida. McDavid is still McDavid but the Oilers aren't built for Eastern opponents. Hyman might be a great player against soft teams, but he's not a bull in the China shop that can give McDavid just that little more time and space needed for success. If Marner had a Mark Messier, Gary Roberts, etc., type player on his line, the talk would be completely different.
Marner is a very skilled player and when it comes down to edge work, he is just behind McDavid. Marner is part of a group of players that requires open ice to perform. The NHL relax rules in the playoffs which make Marner type players ineffective; and if you are watching the games, especially the American fans love the “rockem sockem” hockey. The NHL is in the entertainment business; it will not change. If the Leafs’ goal is to win Stanley, the blueprint must change.
I would have liked to see Mitch and this core under a new coach, now we have the coach but perhaps Mitch won’t be around? I’d like to see Mitch resign at a reasonable price and play under Berube, then make decisions…
Lots of oohing and aahing about Marner playing out his contract and walking. It would be nice to get a good return in a trade but if not his and Johnny T's money coming off the books would give the Leafs a ton of cap space to address their back end needs. Would like to see Bertuzzi/Domi return but Elliott is correct, it has to be a favourable term for both.
The team was 3rd in the division and lost to a better team but sure, blame Marner.
Trade him get him the F out of here .This BS of giving these star players exactly what they want has to stop NOW .These guys are getting paid top dollar and they havent won a damm thing .They should have done the same with Willy too but its too late they are stuck with him how for 8 years .Florida is proving it this year that you dont need a 69 goal scorer or 3 superstars to to win a CUp All you need is 20 good players that work hard and buy into the system .
This illustrates the problem in Toronto ... sensitivities,hurt feelings and egos, Marner is not a player we want.
Lol the problem in Toronto was signing Tavares, thinking they can solve all their problems spending money. They couldn't even do the rebuild properly. They are not, were not, and are not going to be close next year. If you're buying into that idea at this point your dumb.
Seems like Leaf’s fans are more sensitive with hurt feelings than any player
He simply refuses to play physical hockey. Essential.
@@Lawrence-vi7qk Gretzky?
@@Lawrence-vi7qk. He doesn’t have to play physical hockey, but he can’t shy away from it. And Matthews and Nylander aren’t too fussy about it either.
Coincidence that in the 1st year of the 'no move' component of his contract, that Marner just looked unhappy for most of the year? Is it the fish bowl environment & the haters on social media of Toronto that were bothering him?
Whatever it is, maybe he will consider waiving for the right opportunity. Personally, I think he's a Leaf to start the season & if he walks as a UFA, so be it. They'll have his 11M at minimum to spend elsewhere in 2025 assuming he leaves.
I've admired Mitch as a high skill guy, but he has been just average in half of the post-season series he's been in. To me, that's NOT 11M worth of production.
..the Shanaplan turned into a pile of overpaid underachievers..losers abound..the future pissed away maintaining the gutless core..Shanahan the only constant and he is the problem...
It's too late. You can fire him now, but you're still stuck with the team he helped put together. What you want is to change history.
When Pelley gave Shanahan the big endorsement at that press conference I knew we were f***** going forward.Pelley is another stuffed shirt who has no idea what it takes to put a winning team together.
The Shanaplan was a Shanascam from day 1. It shouldn't surprise anyone that a man with zero experience running an NHL franchise failed miserably his first try.
The team was not gutless against Boston. They out hit them through the series. IMO, the problem was goaltending. Woll should have been in the net from game 1. The defense played better than other years in the playoffs. They held Boston to 30 shots or less the whole series.
Woll was injured. That's why he wasn't in net for game 1 or game 7
That the boy 16 would want to make more, after being overpaid, and underachieving, baffles me.
Wanting to get paid as much as possible baffles you?
@@gordonbgraham are you aware that just showing up is not enough to justify a raise
@@Lawrence-vi7qk 50 pts in 57 playoff games is hardly just showing up. Nor is 99pts and being a Selke finalist
Mitch a good perimeter player. The problem is he refuses to play physical hockey.
@@Lawrence-vi7qk Like McDavid…who is having the exact same results vs Florida as Mitch and Auston. Should Edmonton move on from McDavid and Draisaitl? McDavid makes 12.5
put marner on his own line to carry and see how good he is. play hard ball with him!
Ovechkin was in the league for 13 years before he decided to become a team player instead of padding his stats and we all know what happened when he did so. When the best players on the Leafs decide to do the same, that's when they become champs.
Not that complicated Friedman - let Marner play out the year, minimize his impact on the team, 2nd/3rd line, no pk time, minimize pp time, resulting in his personal stats being deflated down to 25G, 35A and say adios, good luck Mitch! Next contract will be seriously eroded with those stats and his poor attitude. Leafs have to send a message to everyone with that move.
Something no one is talking about, if Marner gets hurt during the season and its severe enough he will lose millions. Lots of risk on Marners part. Hockey isnt baseball.
You would think they know by now right 🤦🏻♀️?!
Something you may not be aware of is that tED WAS bought out by AOL AND HE ran a good chunk of it, Marketing, so he knows how to make his portfolio better.
There is no way they can afford a big money goalie, they want defence first .
Just for fun….would you take Ullmark from the B’s? Ullmark and more for Marner?
Lmao They only have Woll. I’d say G should be 1st
We need to change our thinking. What about the fans? The ones who work hard at real jobs? You will see, they hold the cards. Wait till Mitch gets the Sundin treatment. They are fed up.
the worst part about being a leafs fan is watching our cast aways rip it up in the playoffs
Can't blame Marner for that. That was all Dubas. Chose to keep Kerfoot instead of qualifying Rodrigues and protecting McCann from the expansion draft. Had no cap space to keep Hyman.
This channel has become the Marner Nation with the ridiculous amount of coverage. Like there are more things going on guys. It's not like Nylander got this level of coverage when his contract was coming up.
The fact that Willy was basically untradable last year (for what the leafs wanted in return). Why do we think Marner will get what the leafs want? He will just walk on July 1st or the leafs overpay him like they overpaid willy.
I swear Leafs nation does more Marner bashing than CNN and other media outlets in the U.S. do Trump bashing.
Re, Marner's 'no move' clause: I don't understand why the other guys with the same clause in their contracts seem to be untouchable. Tevares for instance: to me John T. is grossely overpaid for what he brings and there doesn't seem to be a lot of pressure on him to agree to a move. Why are they pushing Marner out the door and treat the others like they are untouchable? Thanks.
Youre trying to get a rational response from leaf fans but idk how thats gonna work out for you. The answer from my perspective is that you are completely right, but that's not what the media are saying and most people are sheep so that's not popular opinion right now. Right now maple leafs are using the media against marner but he's the a**hole somehow.
Tavares has 1 year left and is 34. Marner for 8 more years. Come on.
You answered your own question. If we move Tavares we will have to retain salary. The point is to get cap space to invest in other players (or get in return via trade). Marner has the most market value, hence he is the one to move.
I’ll bet they already asked John n it was already a quick NO
@@rossjackson2929 You don't seem to understand my question. We are told that John and Willie are untouchable due to their no trade clause's and that's why they are targeting Mitch. But he also has the no trade clause. Why is it that John and Willie are untouchable due to the clause but Mitch is not?
Don't talk so dumb. You sit him or try and screw him over other players will see this and good luck trying to get any key free agent's in the future. This coaching staff won't baby Mitch so unless he wants to go he plays until free agency and walks. You lose a talented player but you have the T contract and the Marner contract plus a rising cap to fill this void. If Mitch walks for nothing it's not the end of the world.
What if? What if? Should've, Would've, Could've...Leafs put themselves in a bind now are stuck in this ridiculous predicament. Did not trade Marner before his no move clause kicked in, thinking it will be different but once again it's the same scenario spiraling out of control.
That's exactly what I was screaming a year ago. Leafs management is as stupid as Marner is arrogant.
Leafs paid for potential playoff capabilities and not getting the results in the playoffs. You don't want to give up a player like Marner but you also don't want to pay him because you need to fill out the roster. These players should have never been paid in the first place before having done the work
Nothing will happen until after July 1 when Marner receives a $7M signing bonus,leaving his actual salary at $775,k. If he is driven by greed it's in his best interest agreeing to a trade since that team can offer an 8 year term with all 31 other teams limited to a 7 year term...
Lol title of video: Marner update...Actual video: there's nothing to update "whatsoever on marner" ....ya got me to click I'll give ya that
How abt Saros and Schenn for Marner
There's a "Nyah-Na-Na-Na-Boo-Boo" anxiety aspect to this. Trading Marner, under pressure for not enough of a return to a team that goes deeper in the playoffs than the Leafs in subsequent years OR who wins it all would be shameful and career ending to any GM/President.
Loan her to the PWHL.
Elliot is always suppressing a cough in the various hits he does on podcasts. Is he taking a big bong rip before each one? It would explain his disheveled appearance. 😂
He's a smoker I believe
He's a disheveled human being. I'd bet his car and bedroom are comparable to barnyards.
He's smoking hot.
He looks ripped in this clip
hitting them blunts
Wow, only the leafs could care about feelings before business 🤣 Just when you think things can't get more ridiculous in leaf land, they never fail to have hold my beer moments. If marner dont wave his no trade, I would pay him to watch the season in the press box and wouldnt let him touch the ice all year. F-it at this point. And yeah, of course he wants to stay, who the hell wouldnt in his position..
Mitch NEEDS to go, they need to make it happen or sit him all year. You can’t have that distraction in the room for a season and expect improvements
There's no way you sit him. $11 million not being utilized is insane. You'd piss off the other players and scare away future free agents.
I disagree, you can’t sit talent like that. If he wants to play out his final year, respect his decision.
I’m not sure you can sit him out all season if he’s healthy
They require goalies, defencemen, and at least one centremen. Where do you suppose the money to subsidize all these dreams will come from?? Klingberg experiments do not work! Marner, Domi, Bertuzzi will not work financially or in terms of team vision.
@@DrunkwatchMandalorianI believe you can it's up to the coach to play him or not
Come on guys you're just picking on Marner it takes more than one player to win games and yes Marner is most consistent player on the team so please stop your negative opinions about Marner i would take him before any other player on the team q
Quit crying about people being mean to Marner. Yes fans get harsh on players that underperform in the playoffs. A example would be Trouba being ripped by Ranger fans. But these guys are professional athletes making millions a year. As fans who make emotional and financial commitments we have every right to go after the player performance if its unacceptable.
If Marner wants to stay then sign a team friendly contract for 8x8million. Show the fans you want to be here and you are already set for life. Plus there is money to sign other players. Tavares needs to do the same at 5x 5 or beat it geeks!
Marner's produced at a 90+ pt clip for 6 consecutive years. I checked. Why would he take a 3M yearly hit to sign with Toronto? He might do 8 x 10M but I doubt it. If he's a UFA July 2025, someone will pay him more than 11M. A 200 foot guy who plays in all situations.
JT's 34 this Sept, so why a 5 year deal? I like JT, but not anything longer than 3 x 5M. Super fit guy who will likely produce 50-60 pts min for another 2-3 yrs. That's the problem with Tanev at 34 btw. A lot of hard miles.
@@bigdave8437 I get it. He’s a great player but he’s done nothing in the playoffs and this core 4 methodology hasn’t worked. It would be insane to keep him at this point. I don’t think he is a bad player. It’s just a bad situation. Either sign low or you have to go.
Guys in their 30's seem to always want 5 or 6 years to carry them financially into their later years when they typically start to fade off production-wise. Sadly, because the market for UFA's is always overpricing players, the Leafs are in a real bind if they think they can get 4 decent defensemen with their remaining cap space.
The Leafs F'in SUCK! The fans need to start booing and tossing things on the ice again! Boo Marner right out of town.
it would have been very easy thing to do trade marner if we did this 1 yr earlier
In order for the Leafs to be a championship team, management needs to acknowledge what is BEST for the team, NOT the player! 8 years of giving players the world, has ended each playoff year with consistent failure? BIG change is required now!
if Leafs get every one elliott says, their payroll will be 200m
Nonsense. It's not that the core needs to be changed, it's that the core needs more good players on the roster. Especially since Tavares is in decline and eats up too much cap space. The problem is management. They give out huge contracts and now the team can't spend on better players for the bottom part of the roster. Leafs need some players willing to give a discount on their salary. and that includes Marner. 34 & 88 didn't do that.
Ok lets lay this out nice and simple here When Mitch moved from the Tavares lines Johns numbers went down and Matthews went up with Mitch Marner
There was some connection with Domi and Matthews at the end of the season
Now ... if the leafs trade Mitch and can't get Max signed then where does that leave the best scorer in the NHL? Do you guys really think Matthews will be ok if his numbers drop?
If management brings in a skilled play maker to play with Matthews then they are just trying to replace Marner with no guarantee it will work.
All this and this city will be crying over Willys contract by year 2 or 3
This city is the center of the NHL and also the joke of the NHL
Whether it's the right thing to do or not, I doubt they trade Marner. I have a hard time believing that hes going to agree, and they would settle on a deal with another team.
How has a playoff start with killer instinct like Shanahan was ALLOW THE SOFT CULTURE THAT IS THE LEAFS!?!?!? FKN HAVING A DJ PLAY MUSIC AT PRACTICE? COMPLETE DISGRACE BY SHANNY
Mitch just needs a fresh start. Even if the Leafs just let him walk after next year - to avoid Leafs overpaying him $11Million at the end of next year. Mitch has honoured all his Leafs Contracts and for his regular seasons successes - Leaf Fans, Leaf Followers and Leaf Trolls - all should respect Mitch should he play out his contract next year and then walk over to perhaps sign with Dubas and the Penguins. Why not? 😀
Baby blue Leaf😮😅
Marner is a multi million dollar cluster **** conundrum. The chain reaction on all other contracts and roles in the team for the 2024-25 season will be devastating. It’s as straightforward as math at this point. Even for Marner it’s way better to move on now than later… 😵😵💫🤨
Baby Mitch!!!!!!😂😂😂
If the Leafs retaliate against Marner for asserting his no-trade clause, future free agents will be even more reluctant to sign with them.
As if free agents want to come her to begin with. They lost two last off season even though they offered more money to them.
Who was the idiot in Calgary that let Johnny hockey go and trade away Bennett and Tkachuk?? They need to FIRE that dummy whoever he is!
Imagine being the real idiot calling someone out for letting stars go when they wanted to go anyhow
Those guys wasn't going to sign back with Calgary, but they waited until it was to late when they notified the team. Otherwise, Treliving would have negotiated with Colombus and Florida to try and get a deal done. Those guys done no favors for Calgary, just like Sundin, done to the Leafs when he signed with Vancouver.
As fans we need to push these players out. If they think they can stay in a market where your not wanted your nuts. We need to buy billboards that say leave marner leave and f your agent!
The question isn't about if Marner is a good player. It's about is he a good fit for the Leafs at the cap hit he's at currently. The Leafs have too many of the similar type of player. Look at it this way: You can't just take a prime Mario Lemieux and clone him 20 times to make up your team and expect to win against top teams. Is prime Mario a great player? Yes, but a great team isn't a team made up of him. Oh, and then there's a salary cap, too.
Mr rumourville himself
Leafs want to go after a lot of good players, but have no extra cap space. Good luck with that.
Rosehill is about as good a reporter as he was a hockey player Lol
Let the waffling commence! The Leafs will do sweet f*** all on the trade front before next season. #GoOilers
Marner to Boston for Linus Ullmark and Jake deBrusk!! Two birds one stone! Lol
Keep dreaming. If Marner gets traded, you won't see close to a return like that.
@@thewickedone2676 Not to sure about that! Ullmark is in his last year of his contract and Boston can’t afford to keep him and can’t let him walk out the door with no return (no move clause). J.DeBrusk is a UFA now and been wanting out of Boston for years now!
@@Bixby1979 I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Leafs keep Mitch Marner and signs him for 5 years at 12 million. They trade Tavares to Utah for Cooley and Tavares accepts the trade because Utah agrees to sign him and pay him 9 million for two more season after his big contract runs out. Matthews now becomes the Captain of the Leafs. Leafs trade Rielly to Vancouver for a first and third round draft choice. Also Leafs trade Kempf and Liljegren to San Jose for Ferraro. Leafs trade Robertson to St. Louis for Snuggerud and he plays with Marlies next season (Knies, Cooley and Snuggerud played well in Minesota) Leafs do not re sign Bertuzzi or Domi. Leafs sign Zadorov and Tanev as free agents. Zadorov gets 4 years at 5.75 million and Tanev gets 2 years at 3.5 million. Leafs sign Winnipeg back-up goaltender and resign Jones. Forward lines: McMann, Matthews, Marner...Knies, Cooley, Nylander....Holmberg, Minten, Jarnkrok...Cowan, Dewar, Reaves....Steeves. Leafs Defence....Zadorov and Tanev, McCabe and Benoit, Ferraro and Timmins and Topi Niemela. Leafs Goalie....Woll starter, Brossoit backup, Jones or Hildeby playing for Marlies ready for call-up.
The situation could not be simpler - and it is because of the egos. You tell Mitch he is never playing again. You actually don't play Mitch. Why would you? Its another wasted season just like the last one. If they don't make the playoffs oh well, the point is following through on your threat. You go to the playoffs with Marner its another round one loss. He refuses to leave then either way its a wasted season. Just like the last. Would Mitch ego stand up for a) actually being benched a whole year b) thinking he is actually good enough to not play an entire year and not drop in value. You play hardball the options are 50/50, either mitch stays and cries from the sidelines or takes the hint and leaves. You don't play hardball there is one single outcome - he stays, waits out his contract and its another wasted season. Mathews is another year older and further out of his prime.
Elliot will love this Idea. Okay, the Leafs want to change the makeup of the team. Marner will not talk new contract. This cap space that you will have to spend on UFAs. Even next year he wants to explore free agency which screws us again. Not interested in a sign and trade which would give him an 8 year deal (not 7 years) and maybe we get back a D or goalie. How does this make sense for anyone. This year has good free agents available to fill holes. I do not think it can be any more clear, MITCH no longer WANTS to be a LEAF. Why not give him his wish now so we can move forward. Agree to release him from his contract, so he is UFA July 1 2024. Then he can resign here or anywhere he wants. We can then move forward. If JT does not want to extend cheap give him the same option. Lots of cap room now instead of waiting until next year. Best solution for both sides.
Keeping Mitch even if he lights it up in the regular season is insane, change,change ,change,change
The smartest moves for MLSE will transpire as follows: Have Marner play out his contract and not resign him - it doesn't matter if they get nothing for him in a trade this year, his contract will be off the books, they would have paid him anyway. Players on their final year of expiring contracts play harder. Once Draisaitl is available end of next year they should put the best offer forward to acquire his superior PLAYOFFS services. The current highest paid player on the Leafs couldn't care less about winning in the playoffs - he's not going to risk injury, or sacrifice long term future pain to do whatever it takes to win, it also cuts into his down time back home in Arizona (chilling on the yacht with Bieber and his friends). 34 wouldn't sign for eight years because he wants to keep his options open, so four years is all he gave us. If the Leafs wimp out again in next years playoffs then get rid of Prima Donna Matthews and go after a player that will sacrifice his own well being to win. When McDavid comes available the following year it's incumbent on MLSE to bring him home - If Lebron can go home to Cleveland, McDavid can come home to Toronto - his career is finite, and too short. Who cares if Matthews scores 80 regular season goals. If he can't dominate in the playoffs we don't need him. He'll be more than happy to go play in La La land. Then take the 13.25M he's getting and use it to bring in McDavid for 15M. Of course those in charge of hockey operations only view 34 as a merchandise revenue generator for MLSE - they too don't care if the Leafs win in the playoffs - they'll still make their millions in salary, and don't have the balls, or are willing to follow through with what's best for building a playoff competitive team..Bowmanville Dave
Wow.
If Marner decides to play out the year, play him 8mins a night on the 4th line until he demands a trade. 🤙
Yes you can do that or less minutes
Or even sit him. As a guy with a Marner jersey, I'd love to see that. Let't see how many teams are willing to pay over 11M with term for a guy that didn't post any points.
The leafs suck with him being over a point a game, how terrible will they be relying even more on Tavares? Maybe we didn't watch team Canada lol
@@patrickgoulet8170 with Marner and Tavares gone probably they can put a more all around team should be fun
@@RobbieG17 Childishly vindictive. Berube wants to make the post-season. Sitting a 200 ft RW who's produced at a 90+ pt rate for 6 years would make zero sense as a coach. His 11M counts against the cap. Don't you have a better idea?
marner gets an injury and it happened before he can secure his future by being traded with a new teams contract
I hope we pass on Brossoit, either trade for an upgrade or see what Berube can do with Samsonov + Woll. We’ve gotta stop giving up on our goalies so soon.
Zthe best thing for Marnir is to leave the leafs look at Hyman playing in the finals where are the leafs the best for any player is to b. Trated away from the leafs
Marner will play this season in Toronto and just to stick it up the leafs ass for putting this on him... he will walk for free and the leafs will get nothing in return!
Lets see how Mitch handle the crowd booing every time he touches the puck he will fold like a cheap tent
I don't think Elliotte knows anything about business. The NHL shouldn't allow CapFriendly to be bought by a team. Perhaps the league, but not a team.
I always said that Marner needs to go,but we all know that the leafs are wimps, more than likely here till end of year. At that time 2 can come off books
Definitely Leafs know people will still come to the games they don’t care
The leafs are afraid to move him ,they think it's going to backfire
The Leafs are never winning the cup with Marner.
It’s about the logo on the crest if that’s not important then he’s gone they are all gone it’s about the team they all need to understand that Willy does can’t complain about his contract or play missed 3 games and came back and showed up can’t say the same about the rest
Get rid of whoever you want and I will guarantee you that unless they buy into the new coach they will be the same team. With or without marner. Regular season cash cows and playoff debacle. It's not about defense it's about they can't fn score come crunch time. Mark my words.
Marner doesn’t have thick skin. He hates media and he is getting trashed now. I think we should keep the guy but at a lower pay. Sign him 7 years at 9mil or 10mil but no more.
Thick skins don’t disappear in the playoffs.
@@mannyo2909 who on the team has more playoff points?
@@patrickgoulet8170 Nylander? 😁
@@patrickgoulet8170in the first 3 games, or the last 4 when it really matters?
Hate to say it, trade Matthew, get a ton and get cap
Get Rid off Marner...
Bottom-line
I look at Florida and no amount of talent on Edmonton even comes close to competing in playoffs. Get rid of Marner so someone other than Willy can tell him to stop whining on the bench.
The Toad will be traded July 1st-3rd. Book it.
Make a video when someting is actually happening. I turned it off.
The only people that don’t want Mitch
The Media and Fans
Breaking news !
Your not the GM
Marner is the best overall player in the Leafs team. Yes Matthews is a great goal scorer; but he would have a minimum of 25% less goals without Marner.
Marner is easily the best playmaker & a terrific defensive player too, which is totally underrated.
Yes, the ridiculous Reffing in the playoffs, which allows holding , an insane amount of interference etc... always hurts the skilled players the most.
Marner has 50 points in 57 games in the playoffs. That's an 88% rate of ultimately creating goals in playoff games. Matthews has 48 points in 55 playoff games. That's 87% efficiency & he's not nearly as good as Marner defensively. Nylander has 43 points in 54 playoff games. That is an 80 % rate of efficiency. Again, Nylander is not nearly as good as Marner defensively.
Remember that assists ultimately= goals.
It amazes me how Toronto fans & media totally treat their own Toronto raised player so badly.
Believe me, that Toronto will regret the day that they allow Marner to go to another team..He will come back & smoke the Leafs!!!
Try to send marner somewhere for a good D and a solid F, then sign 2 good RHD and you're set
goaltending?
tell marner if he stays he will be on third line...then he will want out....management is way to soft in toronto
Never has a player gotten more attention for doing absolutely nothing when it mattered the most.
Marner needs to leave. Good during season but useless come playoffs...
57 games 50 points in the playoffs, the maple leafs failed this homegrown kid , I am genuinely shocked and disappointed how most leafs fans are reacting to Mitch but really it’s the organization who should get the blame
Marner is a talented guy who plays scared in the playoffs.
Is it me or does Friedman always sound sick. Hope he’s okay
Matthews will want Marner feeding him the puck. So the team will welcome Marner or Matthews will force the GM to trade the complainers. Matthews is king.
Mathewz n Marner should have been traded before the nmt clauses kicked in
How could anyone play in that town with the likes of the media , and yes that includes you three bums, criticizing and over- analyzing every single move…. It would make anybody simply say fuck it… pay me. Leafs and Senators will never achieve anything because their “fans “ and “media” are horrible. Ontario…. IS HORRIBLE.
U know all this marner talk is not gonna be good on leafs ,,u know who I would trade Matthews,,, they have a great record without him and him.in playoffs is a joke also he's American most of the goals he gets is junk fluke goals and plays sooo many minutes and takes sooo many shots Soo overated he's no mcdavid
No ones memory is fading, Mitch has to go…two years ago!!! Boo his 11M @ss out of here!
Blah blah blah! , leafs sucked us in with all the ite championship pedigree builders in the beginning. And lied and 2 yrs later chose our culture we r! Has shit to do with players. We groom ayers to be the best European style pond hockey culture in all.of hockey!...decade of wasted mass opportunity! PERIOD!...BABBLE BABBLE BABBLE YADA YADA ! leaf Inc and their jersey sales for all the modern Xbox fans!....oilers were.other team did it for last decade. They finally now sick.of it as a culture too. As long as playoffs still.canadas game xanadas holy grail cup and playoffs!. All clubs srill build.canadian played systems.lf hockey to be deep cup teams
So whay the he'll u talking abkut. Marner is a ever 4 generstion.skilled guy!!! The franchise wasted!....blame blame blame in mkdern leafs nation. When it's really and always been aboit simple culture as a franchise...class dismissed