Its a corporation. Its a world business. Only a moron lets a company affect their emotions. You can ride a Harley your whole life and NEVER step in a dealership. Buy used and find a local wrench or buy a service manual and start learning.
I hate Harley Davidson motorcycles so much I purchased a 2022 Heritage end of September 2022. I’ve ridden double the distance on the Heritage for the time I’ve had it compared to my 2016 Kawasaki Versys 1000 that I purchased new summer of 2016. I hate the damn Harley so much that the Kawasaki only gets to sit unused at home now.
That was before my riding time, but I always hate when new CEOs come in and make changes just for the sake of making changes. If it was working, keep doing it.
Of course it is. First and foremost it is a lifestyle brand, and one associated with the boomer. As animosity toward that subset grows and their grasp of power and the dominant narrative fades - so too will the violent rejection of that which they so fervently evangelized. Harley, in their infinite impotence, has chosen to ignore subsequent generations almost entirely while simultaneously continuing to showcase tone deaf offerings like grossly overpriced $30-60,000 motorcycles. I have two Harley's and I wouldn't trade them in even if I could... First, I don't like the M8, second, if I traded in both, I'd still be $5-10,000 out of pocket for a bone stock current year - and my bikes are very nice examples of their kind. I ride Harley in spite of the brand, not because of it.
Yeah the bikes are expensive, but I've been noticing guys my age (Gen X) and even a lot younger (30ish) that are on Harleys now. I was quite surprised when I started riding that I'd bring the bike in for service, and I was by far the oldest guy at the dealership. Anecdotal I know, but even when I went down to Daytona bike week, there was a big mix of riders, yes a lot of old, but a lot of younger harley riders.
@@streetsean As I said, I ride the brand in spite of the brand, not because of it. Their motorcycles are simply better quality than most plastic alternatives... I can't speak for others, but it would follow. Harley has steadfastly refused to modernize and invested too heavily in the boomer mindset of boutique stores and part catalogues. Add to that the fact that the company has begun to create part shortages more aggressively than they used to with the explicit intention to drive new bike sales. They're a maladaptive company and will suffer accordingly.
Yes and no, when they do try to do something to move along, they don't sell and cost the company money (see Livewire). The dealers here all had charging stations 4 years ago...now they don't even have those...all because no one buys them. But yes, they do lean into what their current customers want and not what future customers want.
I love with Harley used to be. I hate what Harley has become. I still love motorcycles and I still love Harley-Davidsons, just not all Harley-Davidsons.
The biggest thing that I've heard has been the dealers. A lot of people have had issues with them. I've been lucky so far, and the dealers have been alright other than high prices on some bikes. I do like some of the new revolution bikes, but just not the type of riding I want to do
Look at the UGLY UNFINISHED and UNPAINTED Carbon Fiber on the CVO's. When have ever seen UGLIER CARBON FIBER? YOU HAVEN'T, H-D IS KING OF UGLY UNPAINTED CARBON FIBER AND ALL THE TH-cam IDIOTS WENT CRAZY OVER "UGLY" AND THAT MAKES ALL OF THEM RETARDED PUSSIES. NO CVO OWNER CAN TELL ME THEIR CARBON FIBER BITS ARE BEAUTIFUL, BECAUSE THEY ARE "UGLY" AND HARLEY DAVIDSON THINKS YOU WON'T SAY ANYTHING, BECAUSE H-D KNOWS ITS BUYERS ARE PUSSY'S.
Ride what you want, I dislike HD's business practices and some of the reliability issues I've seen over 26 years. I think they rip folks off. However, you choose to be a customer and if you do that's your choice if it goes bad. I don't knock folks who buy one, like I said, your choice. I have ridden their bikes professionally as a police officer for years but don't own one and probably never will. You do you,
That's the best way to look at it. I like all bikes, but Harleys just suit my type of riding at the moment, but that doesn't mean they always will, though. Harleys biggest problems seem to be in their dealers as far as I can tell. Our dealers are good where I live, but I've heard some really bad experiences elsewhere.
@@streetsean Yeah I'd say dealerships are definetely a problem. The one where I live sucks. I've heard numerous stories about them and other dealers. I was talking to a female rider and friend of mine who took her bike there for service and she was given the run around scam. Luckily she knew me and another guy (we're both very experienced DIYers on bikes) and knew they were scamming her.
I only take my 1 harley for oil changes as I bought the oil changes for life. When they tell me what needs to be done on it, I just bring it home and figure out how to do it myself. Not that I think they'll scam me, but I usually like to use after market parts instead.
No question the anti HD stuff is popular and streamers are trying to draft. For me, shameless fanboy of Euro brands for 30 years, it’s just what I ride and there’s sure lots of room for critique. Zero distaste for HD bikes/brand but yeah the wannabe tough guys are annoying. But squids are annoying too. I’m going to keep riding and waving to everyone - especially those I DON’T expect to wave back. 😂 - I will say this, I passionately hate riding in the rain!!! Be safe people.
I'm with you, I wave at everyone and most wave back. I don't have an issue with any bike or brand and if I had more money I'd buy more than just harley (the Scram was for my daughter and she picked it). I'm trying to get out in the rain more but then I think, why? I don't need to ride in the rain...🤣
I love my HD but I was a bit disappointed in the dealer I bought my bikes from and it supposedly was because the corporation wouldn't cover so they couldn't it but I was 3 days out of warranty and my tail lights / brake lights quit working and they wouldn't repair it for me. That was after buying two bikes from that dealership. Then they told me they didn't sell the connectors for the tail lights you had to buy the whole assembly at 250 dollars. I'm a auto mechanic so I had figured out the pins in the connecter weren't staying seated properly. I went to a different dealership near me and they sold the pins and connectors to me for 19 dollars. So i had to repair it myself which was fine but I did feel I could have been scammed had I not been mechanically inclined.
That's the biggest thing I've heard against Harley is the dealerships. Each one seems to be run differently, I've been lucky that the ones around me have been good. When I bought my bike (used) and took it back for the second oil change, they said I needed a new front tire. The sales department actually covered it as it was only 4k km...I didn't even ask. Hopefully you can deal with the other one from now one, you'd think after buying 2 bikes they would bend over backwards for you.
@@streetsean I get they need to make a buck as well just 3 days out of warranty it felt like a big F you to me. But yeah the other dealer I go to has been great so far.
I’m not a Harley rider,(Indian ) but I ride with all my buddies that own Harley’s all the time. The Harley riders around here in Georgia always wave. I don’t hate the company, I just hate their sales model and most of their dealerships and that alone is something most of my Harley friends agree with me on.
It seems that the biggest thing harley riders don't like is the dealerships. I'm lucky we have a few good ones around here but I tend to only use them for my oil changes for life and to look at parts. I like Indian, we rented a roadmaster last year and it is a great bike, we don't have indian dealerships around me, but they seem to be coming in through power sports dealers now.
@@streetsean yeah, I think there’s only 3 official full indian dealerships in the state here, rest of them are powersports but they provide the same services for the most part. It’s a good and bad thing, good being the employees tend to not be brand loyalist at the indian spots and are more well rounded across the spectrum of bikes. And of course, bad being less dealerships around!
@wudaa2524 I don't think we actually have an Indian dealership in Ontario, there's 3 powersports dealers just over an hour from me and they all sell BMW and one sells KTM and Aprilia. So they are fun to go and browse for sure.
When I started riding (1970s) I was not into Harleys. If you went to a dealership they might have 1 or 2 new bikes and that was it. I had friends that had pan heads, oil leakers big time. I bought a BSA and later a Norton. Great bikes. Around 2005 I finally bought a new Sportster, then 2006 Road King, later a 2009 Street Glide and now I on a Road Glide. Yeah, I hate Harleys! The worst thing I dislike is some of the dealership sells tactics!
That seems to be the #1 thing people hate is the dealerships. You'd think Harley would listen to all the complaints and deal with the dealerships, that is the first point of contact with all costumers and potential future customers. We're lucky here, the dealerships around me all seem pretty decent.
No matter how many people hate Harley-Davidson most cruisers on the road that I see are Harley-Davidson. The reason why I don't like Harley-Davidson is because at my dealership they told me that the MSRP for the bike I was looking at was 13,000 but they will give it to me for $19,000 so needless to say I ride a 2023 Indian Scout rogue. I love Indian! If I had more than enough money that I knew what to do with I would have a Harley. I just love bikes in general. so I don't like the company but I do like the bikes themselves
It seems most people's issues are with the dealerships, pricing, poor service...etc. our dealers here are actually decent and they seem to only add 1500 or so to the MSRP (pdi, delivery...etc.). The rogue is a nice bike, we were looking at getting one last year, but there really isn't many dealers around here but they are starting to join with power sports dealers so you never know. I'm with you, I like all kinds of bikes
Negatively always does well. That being said alot of people are upset with cooperate decisions and dealership experiences. As far as the bikes go they obviously make good bikes but they like to give the oh it's the most customizable bike when it's lacking to competors. So ether way ride what you like.
That's about it. From what I can tell it's mostly the dealers that people have an issue with, would be good to get the same experience no matter where you went but unfortunately it doesn't seem to be the case.
Harley went woke Harley customer service Harley is selling bikes with no warranty Bought my first and last harley 4 years ago. Ride it less than half that. One problem after another.
Yeah, a lot of people do complain about the dealerships. There seems to be only one around me that does the call for quote...I've never been to that one. The markups here are mostly just pdi and freight, usually around 1500 or so...not great but better than what I've heard from others.
It's not a trend, it's a generational thing. Boomers did irreparable harm to the brands image, and Harley themselves simply have done nothing to try and appeal to younger buyers. Their products are WAY overpriced and lack performance/appeal. There are simply too many good (and much better) bikes for significantly less money.
I get why people don't like harley, I was referring to the people that seemed to like harley but then just started bashing them when they got more views. I have noticed a lot more younger riders in my area that are riding Harleys. Now they mostly ride older models and not the new ones, which would be a problem for harley.
@@streetsean ahh I get yah. There may differences in what region you're in too. The only "young" ppl I see on Harleys tend to be on sportsters, or the rider is Hispanic. Obviously still a lot of squids out there on Japanese things, but most folks middle age around here tend to be on European sport tourers or ADV bikes.
@brentharrington9235 Yeah, for sure. The younger riders I see are either sportster or like mid '90s Dyna's... I think they're the stunt guys. And you're right about the ADV bikes. I only see guys older than me riding them. Sport touring bikes don't really seem popular around here, which is weird as I think they're a good option for long distance riding.
I do for the most part, it's just the ones I'm talking about loved harley and it just seemed like they got more view with hating on harley so that's where they dig in....doesn't seem genuine. But there's lots of harley love to watch
Rock solid bikes... not much you can hate about a bike that just runs. I can't say anything about a bike that fires up every time I hit the go button for the past 30 years.
The fact is everybody wants a Harley. But, if you don't have a decent job and credit and 10% down, you can't buy one and that makes you mad. So you claim to hate Harleys. If you really hated them, you wouldn't click on a H.D. video.
STFU !!!! Some of us just don't want associate with red neck conferidate culture. That's what all you dirty disgusting clowns say "yOu CaNt aFfoRd onE" I could easily afford one never will tho. I don't want look like you clowns 🤡 .
I don't think it's a not being able to afford, I was referring to guys that have Harleys and then start trashing them once they realize they get more views.
I get not liking harley and the " you can't afford" is a problem too, because as a brand you'd think you'd want more people to be able to ride your bikes.
Hating Harley is definitely a trend. It is all about clicks. There are a few TH-camrs that I follow that started like you did, making Harley videos while enjoying learning and riding. And like clockwork, you will see, "After 3 years, look what my Harley made me do." They will post a video, making sure to thank everyone for their support, begging, likes, subs, and the bell announcing that they have become a full-time TH-camr. The new videos will start with the mention of sunglasses or instant mushroom coffee sponsors. Then you will see why they think the BrandX is better than their Harley, and after a month or so of making videos riding BrandX to their store to "get milk," they give a touching monolog explaining why BrandX was better and the surge of subs because both Harley fans and Harley haters will join the engagement in the comments. In a couple months or so, our TH-camrs with their 25k giveaway video are all of a sudden going to Bike Week and talking about how they just love the Harley life. Using all of that new "BrandX was better" money to get a new Harley! Then they go back to making the same videos with the new Harley until the next trend comes around. Your second point Harley's trying to become a luxury brand is just crazy to me. Think about what a typical Harley rider looks like. In the past 5 years, that has honestly changed, with a few different subcultures spawning (dynabros, Viclas, Sport Baggers, EVO Guys, Adventurers, and CVO guys), with the exception of the latter. One of the issues is that Harley-Davidson is so popular with so many different riders that any bike they make has to almost fit various styles of riders to be popular. Blue-collar workers aren't looking for a luxury brand; new riders that are just starting out don't want luxury bikes. You see, only a "luxury brand" can charge huge markups and profit. That is what the shareholders are looking at.
You nailed the youtubers that I was mentioning to a tee!! I don't really have too much of an issue with it other than it doesn't seem genuine most of the time. And you're 💯 right that it works and brings up their engagement. I notice that my videos do better with just adding Harley in the title, and if there's a negative word...even higher. I don't really care as I'm just doing this for fun, and interacting with different people is pretty cool. Had a guy comment on a video from 2 years ago and was excited to tell him about my experience with insurance as he started riding later in life as well. I think Harley with their CVOs is kind of a luxury brand but they need to keep the other bikes the same. Harley has tried the beginner bikes but no one really ever wants those. I keep hoping for the Bronx but in reality, I'd never buy one.
I wanted to buy a Harley but they could not compete with features and price. I was looking for a small bagger with cruise and a few other features. i compared the rebel 1100T with the low rider ST and sportster models. I could not find a logical reason to go with a Harley. They look great and sound awesome. I would love to watch videos of Harley only riders giving opinions on bikes like the 1100 as well as Harley haters giving an honest review on a street glide.
The price difference between those bikes would be a big reason to go with the Rebel. Unfortunately, Harley seems to be the only company that does test rides, so it's easier for a harley hater to do it than a harley fan to test another model unless they buy it. I've heard nothing but great things about the rebel
Harley hate is click bait. It is the nature of too many to tear down that which they envy. The thing that those haters can’t stand is that Harley riders don’t care about what others think and are indifferent to what those same people ride. We Harley riders all give a collective yawn to those who don’t share the passion as we do. Enjoy your bike, no matter the brand, but please lose the chip on the shoulder.
Nicely said. I like all other bike, and I wave at everyon, even scooters. Harley guys get excited when a bike shows up, any bran, and are more interested in the ride you've been on. 👍
Yeah, the most complaints I've seen has been about the dealerships. Would be good to go to any one of them and get the same experience. Our dealerships here aren't too bad for new bike prices, but they do tend to be more expensive when it comes to used ones.
I love Harley, I only watched this because I wanted to see what negative stuff is said. I have never seen your channel before. Now I know your not a hater, I have subscribed 😊
Its a corporation. Its a world business. Only a moron lets a company affect their emotions. You can ride a Harley your whole life and NEVER step in a dealership. Buy used and find a local wrench or buy a service manual and start learning.
Yep, I bought my first used bike through the dealer, but bought my second used one through a used dealership and I'm currently trying to learn...🤣
You have a profoundly idealistic view of the human animal in regard to how it navigates the modern world.
I hate Harley Davidson motorcycles so much I purchased a 2022 Heritage end of September 2022.
I’ve ridden double the distance on the Heritage for the time I’ve had it compared to my 2016 Kawasaki Versys 1000 that I purchased new summer of 2016.
I hate the damn Harley so much that the Kawasaki only gets to sit unused at home now.
I can just feel the hatred flowing through you by this...🤣🤣🤣
I'm the same way, I hate harley so much I bought two of them....👍
Love what Matt Levatich CEO era was doing with Harley and motorcycling.
That was before my riding time, but I always hate when new CEOs come in and make changes just for the sake of making changes. If it was working, keep doing it.
@@streetsean If it was working there wouldn't be a new ceo.
Good point
All I see is Harley’s everywhere I go. I’d rather be different and pull up with bikes nobody knows about
It's why I like colour on my Harley...🤣
Of course it is. First and foremost it is a lifestyle brand, and one associated with the boomer. As animosity toward that subset grows and their grasp of power and the dominant narrative fades - so too will the violent rejection of that which they so fervently evangelized. Harley, in their infinite impotence, has chosen to ignore subsequent generations almost entirely while simultaneously continuing to showcase tone deaf offerings like grossly overpriced $30-60,000 motorcycles. I have two Harley's and I wouldn't trade them in even if I could... First, I don't like the M8, second, if I traded in both, I'd still be $5-10,000 out of pocket for a bone stock current year - and my bikes are very nice examples of their kind. I ride Harley in spite of the brand, not because of it.
Yeah the bikes are expensive, but I've been noticing guys my age (Gen X) and even a lot younger (30ish) that are on Harleys now. I was quite surprised when I started riding that I'd bring the bike in for service, and I was by far the oldest guy at the dealership. Anecdotal I know, but even when I went down to Daytona bike week, there was a big mix of riders, yes a lot of old, but a lot of younger harley riders.
@@streetsean As I said, I ride the brand in spite of the brand, not because of it. Their motorcycles are simply better quality than most plastic alternatives... I can't speak for others, but it would follow. Harley has steadfastly refused to modernize and invested too heavily in the boomer mindset of boutique stores and part catalogues. Add to that the fact that the company has begun to create part shortages more aggressively than they used to with the explicit intention to drive new bike sales. They're a maladaptive company and will suffer accordingly.
Yes and no, when they do try to do something to move along, they don't sell and cost the company money (see Livewire). The dealers here all had charging stations 4 years ago...now they don't even have those...all because no one buys them. But yes, they do lean into what their current customers want and not what future customers want.
I love with Harley used to be.
I hate what Harley has become.
I still love motorcycles and I still love Harley-Davidsons, just not all Harley-Davidsons.
The biggest thing that I've heard has been the dealers. A lot of people have had issues with them. I've been lucky so far, and the dealers have been alright other than high prices on some bikes. I do like some of the new revolution bikes, but just not the type of riding I want to do
Look at the UGLY UNFINISHED and UNPAINTED Carbon Fiber on the CVO's. When have ever seen UGLIER CARBON FIBER? YOU HAVEN'T, H-D IS KING OF UGLY UNPAINTED CARBON FIBER AND ALL THE TH-cam IDIOTS WENT CRAZY OVER "UGLY" AND THAT MAKES ALL OF THEM RETARDED PUSSIES. NO CVO OWNER CAN TELL ME THEIR CARBON FIBER BITS ARE BEAUTIFUL, BECAUSE THEY ARE "UGLY" AND HARLEY DAVIDSON THINKS YOU WON'T SAY ANYTHING, BECAUSE H-D KNOWS ITS BUYERS ARE PUSSY'S.
Ride what you want, I dislike HD's business practices and some of the reliability issues I've seen over 26 years. I think they rip folks off. However, you choose to be a customer and if you do that's your choice if it goes bad. I don't knock folks who buy one, like I said, your choice. I have ridden their bikes professionally as a police officer for years but don't own one and probably never will. You do you,
That's the best way to look at it. I like all bikes, but Harleys just suit my type of riding at the moment, but that doesn't mean they always will, though. Harleys biggest problems seem to be in their dealers as far as I can tell. Our dealers are good where I live, but I've heard some really bad experiences elsewhere.
@@streetsean Yeah I'd say dealerships are definetely a problem. The one where I live sucks. I've heard numerous stories about them and other dealers. I was talking to a female rider and friend of mine who took her bike there for service and she was given the run around scam. Luckily she knew me and another guy (we're both very experienced DIYers on bikes) and knew they were scamming her.
I only take my 1 harley for oil changes as I bought the oil changes for life. When they tell me what needs to be done on it, I just bring it home and figure out how to do it myself. Not that I think they'll scam me, but I usually like to use after market parts instead.
Good observation
Thanks
Alot of unnecessary yapping my guy. Not an insult just giving criticism
Sorry, I'll work on that, my wife will be happy too.
No question the anti HD stuff is popular and streamers are trying to draft. For me, shameless fanboy of Euro brands for 30 years, it’s just what I ride and there’s sure lots of room for critique. Zero distaste for HD bikes/brand but yeah the wannabe tough guys are annoying. But squids are annoying too. I’m going to keep riding and waving to everyone - especially those I DON’T expect to wave back. 😂 - I will say this, I passionately hate riding in the rain!!! Be safe people.
I'm with you, I wave at everyone and most wave back. I don't have an issue with any bike or brand and if I had more money I'd buy more than just harley (the Scram was for my daughter and she picked it). I'm trying to get out in the rain more but then I think, why? I don't need to ride in the rain...🤣
I love my HD but I was a bit disappointed in the dealer I bought my bikes from and it supposedly was because the corporation wouldn't cover so they couldn't it but I was 3 days out of warranty and my tail lights / brake lights quit working and they wouldn't repair it for me. That was after buying two bikes from that dealership. Then they told me they didn't sell the connectors for the tail lights you had to buy the whole assembly at 250 dollars. I'm a auto mechanic so I had figured out the pins in the connecter weren't staying seated properly. I went to a different dealership near me and they sold the pins and connectors to me for 19 dollars. So i had to repair it myself which was fine but I did feel I could have been scammed had I not been mechanically inclined.
That's the biggest thing I've heard against Harley is the dealerships. Each one seems to be run differently, I've been lucky that the ones around me have been good. When I bought my bike (used) and took it back for the second oil change, they said I needed a new front tire. The sales department actually covered it as it was only 4k km...I didn't even ask. Hopefully you can deal with the other one from now one, you'd think after buying 2 bikes they would bend over backwards for you.
@@streetsean I get they need to make a buck as well just 3 days out of warranty it felt like a big F you to me. But yeah the other dealer I go to has been great so far.
@jerrywilliams198 That loses them a buck, as you'll probably never return! Good that you have options.
I’m not a Harley rider,(Indian ) but I ride with all my buddies that own Harley’s all the time. The Harley riders around here in Georgia always wave. I don’t hate the company, I just hate their sales model and most of their dealerships and that alone is something most of my Harley friends agree with me on.
It seems that the biggest thing harley riders don't like is the dealerships. I'm lucky we have a few good ones around here but I tend to only use them for my oil changes for life and to look at parts.
I like Indian, we rented a roadmaster last year and it is a great bike, we don't have indian dealerships around me, but they seem to be coming in through power sports dealers now.
@@streetsean yeah, I think there’s only 3 official full indian dealerships in the state here, rest of them are powersports but they provide the same services for the most part. It’s a good and bad thing, good being the employees tend to not be brand loyalist at the indian spots and are more well rounded across the spectrum of bikes. And of course, bad being less dealerships around!
@wudaa2524 I don't think we actually have an Indian dealership in Ontario, there's 3 powersports dealers just over an hour from me and they all sell BMW and one sells KTM and Aprilia. So they are fun to go and browse for sure.
South Park nailed it years ago
I would repeat it, but it would probably get me banned from TH-cam....🤣🤣🤣
When I started riding (1970s) I was not into Harleys. If you went to a dealership they might have 1 or 2 new bikes and that was it. I had friends that had pan heads, oil leakers big time. I bought a BSA and later a Norton. Great bikes. Around 2005 I finally bought a new Sportster, then 2006 Road King, later a 2009 Street Glide and now I on a Road Glide. Yeah, I hate Harleys! The worst thing I dislike is some of the dealership sells tactics!
That seems to be the #1 thing people hate is the dealerships. You'd think Harley would listen to all the complaints and deal with the dealerships, that is the first point of contact with all costumers and potential future customers.
We're lucky here, the dealerships around me all seem pretty decent.
No matter how many people hate Harley-Davidson most cruisers on the road that I see are Harley-Davidson. The reason why I don't like Harley-Davidson is because at my dealership they told me that the MSRP for the bike I was looking at was 13,000 but they will give it to me for $19,000 so needless to say I ride a 2023 Indian Scout rogue. I love Indian! If I had more than enough money that I knew what to do with I would have a Harley. I just love bikes in general. so I don't like the company but I do like the bikes themselves
It seems most people's issues are with the dealerships, pricing, poor service...etc. our dealers here are actually decent and they seem to only add 1500 or so to the MSRP (pdi, delivery...etc.).
The rogue is a nice bike, we were looking at getting one last year, but there really isn't many dealers around here but they are starting to join with power sports dealers so you never know. I'm with you, I like all kinds of bikes
Negatively always does well. That being said alot of people are upset with cooperate decisions and dealership experiences. As far as the bikes go they obviously make good bikes but they like to give the oh it's the most customizable bike when it's lacking to competors. So ether way ride what you like.
That's about it. From what I can tell it's mostly the dealers that people have an issue with, would be good to get the same experience no matter where you went but unfortunately it doesn't seem to be the case.
Harley went woke
Harley customer service
Harley is selling bikes with no warranty
Bought my first and last harley 4 years ago. Ride it less than half that. One problem after another.
Oh man, that sucks. It's not good when your bike doesn't work when you want it to. Hopefully, you get it resolved or get a bike that's more reliable
I don’t hate HD but I do hate HD dealership. “Call for quote”, so I do and find they tack on a $4k markup.
Yeah, a lot of people do complain about the dealerships. There seems to be only one around me that does the call for quote...I've never been to that one. The markups here are mostly just pdi and freight, usually around 1500 or so...not great but better than what I've heard from others.
It's not a trend, it's a generational thing.
Boomers did irreparable harm to the brands image, and Harley themselves simply have done nothing to try and appeal to younger buyers.
Their products are WAY overpriced and lack performance/appeal.
There are simply too many good (and much better) bikes for significantly less money.
I get why people don't like harley, I was referring to the people that seemed to like harley but then just started bashing them when they got more views.
I have noticed a lot more younger riders in my area that are riding Harleys. Now they mostly ride older models and not the new ones, which would be a problem for harley.
@@streetsean ahh I get yah.
There may differences in what region you're in too.
The only "young" ppl I see on Harleys tend to be on sportsters, or the rider is Hispanic.
Obviously still a lot of squids out there on Japanese things, but most folks middle age around here tend to be on European sport tourers or ADV bikes.
@brentharrington9235 Yeah, for sure. The younger riders I see are either sportster or like mid '90s Dyna's... I think they're the stunt guys.
And you're right about the ADV bikes. I only see guys older than me riding them. Sport touring bikes don't really seem popular around here, which is weird as I think they're a good option for long distance riding.
Haters are loosers. Just concentrate on what you enjoy.
I do for the most part, it's just the ones I'm talking about loved harley and it just seemed like they got more view with hating on harley so that's where they dig in....doesn't seem genuine. But there's lots of harley love to watch
Rock solid bikes... not much you can hate about a bike that just runs. I can't say anything about a bike that fires up every time I hit the go button for the past 30 years.
That's awesome! Mines only 6 years old and thus was the first year it didn't fire right up...I didn't have the tender plugged in properly...haha
@@streetsean AGM batteries have a 7 year lifespan if you take care of them... It was pretty much due.
Yep, mine was original, could still charge it but would drain after a couple of days...got to be able to make a video about it though👍
The fact is everybody wants a Harley. But, if you don't have a decent job and credit and 10% down, you can't buy one and that makes you mad. So you claim to hate Harleys. If you really hated them, you wouldn't click on a H.D. video.
STFU !!!! Some of us just don't want associate with red neck conferidate culture. That's what all you dirty disgusting clowns say "yOu CaNt aFfoRd onE" I could easily afford one never will tho. I don't want look like you clowns 🤡 .
I don't think it's a not being able to afford, I was referring to guys that have Harleys and then start trashing them once they realize they get more views.
I get not liking harley and the " you can't afford" is a problem too, because as a brand you'd think you'd want more people to be able to ride your bikes.
Why would you spend 25k on a geezer glide when you can get a better European bike for 8-12k less?
Who cares? Let them "Hate" its a free world. Subscribed
For sure. No issue with it, just sometimes doesn't feel genuine
@@streetsean it's not. Most of them, i've never even road one, especially in the last 5 years.
foreign production and not made in america why pay the premiums
They seem to be on par with Indian in terms of pricing, at least on the baggers.
Harley is not just an American phenomenon but a world wide phenomenon
@@martincvitkovich724 I do see a lot of videos from many different countrys
Hating Harley is definitely a trend. It is all about clicks. There are a few TH-camrs that I follow that started like you did, making Harley videos while enjoying learning and riding. And like clockwork, you will see, "After 3 years, look what my Harley made me do." They will post a video, making sure to thank everyone for their support, begging, likes, subs, and the bell announcing that they have become a full-time TH-camr. The new videos will start with the mention of sunglasses or instant mushroom coffee sponsors. Then you will see why they think the BrandX is better than their Harley, and after a month or so of making videos riding BrandX to their store to "get milk," they give a touching monolog explaining why BrandX was better and the surge of subs because both Harley fans and Harley haters will join the engagement in the comments. In a couple months or so, our TH-camrs with their 25k giveaway video are all of a sudden going to Bike Week and talking about how they just love the Harley life. Using all of that new "BrandX was better" money to get a new Harley! Then they go back to making the same videos with the new Harley until the next trend comes around.
Your second point Harley's trying to become a luxury brand is just crazy to me. Think about what a typical Harley rider looks like. In the past 5 years, that has honestly changed, with a few different subcultures spawning (dynabros, Viclas, Sport Baggers, EVO Guys, Adventurers, and CVO guys), with the exception of the latter. One of the issues is that Harley-Davidson is so popular with so many different riders that any bike they make has to almost fit various styles of riders to be popular. Blue-collar workers aren't looking for a luxury brand; new riders that are just starting out don't want luxury bikes. You see, only a "luxury brand" can charge huge markups and profit. That is what the shareholders are looking at.
You nailed the youtubers that I was mentioning to a tee!! I don't really have too much of an issue with it other than it doesn't seem genuine most of the time. And you're 💯 right that it works and brings up their engagement.
I notice that my videos do better with just adding Harley in the title, and if there's a negative word...even higher. I don't really care as I'm just doing this for fun, and interacting with different people is pretty cool. Had a guy comment on a video from 2 years ago and was excited to tell him about my experience with insurance as he started riding later in life as well.
I think Harley with their CVOs is kind of a luxury brand but they need to keep the other bikes the same. Harley has tried the beginner bikes but no one really ever wants those. I keep hoping for the Bronx but in reality, I'd never buy one.
I wanted to buy a Harley but they could not compete with features and price. I was looking for a small bagger with cruise and a few other features. i compared the rebel 1100T with the low rider ST and sportster models. I could not find a logical reason to go with a Harley. They look great and sound awesome. I would love to watch videos of Harley only riders giving opinions on bikes like the 1100 as well as Harley haters giving an honest review on a street glide.
The price difference between those bikes would be a big reason to go with the Rebel. Unfortunately, Harley seems to be the only company that does test rides, so it's easier for a harley hater to do it than a harley fan to test another model unless they buy it. I've heard nothing but great things about the rebel
Harley hate is click bait. It is the nature of too many to tear down that which they envy. The thing that those haters can’t stand is that Harley riders don’t care about what others think and are indifferent to what those same people ride. We Harley riders all give a collective yawn to those who don’t share the passion as we do. Enjoy your bike, no matter the brand, but please lose the chip on the shoulder.
Nicely said. I like all other bike, and I wave at everyon, even scooters. Harley guys get excited when a bike shows up, any bran, and are more interested in the ride you've been on. 👍
The main issue with Harley are the dealerships. Its so difficult to buy a new HD without stupid fees being added on to the price. 👎🏼👎🏼
Yeah, the most complaints I've seen has been about the dealerships. Would be good to go to any one of them and get the same experience. Our dealerships here aren't too bad for new bike prices, but they do tend to be more expensive when it comes to used ones.
I love Harley, I only watched this because I wanted to see what negative stuff is said.
I have never seen your channel before.
Now I know your not a hater, I have subscribed 😊
Awesome! Thanks. I don't think I hate any bike or company, but I do have a favorite.
Me too😂