Darkman, The Crow, and RoboCop are perfect examples of superhero films where the hero is more like a classic Universal monster in a lot of ways.
It's so weird seeing James talking about Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde without cursing
These are by far my favorite kind of videos, informative and entertaining.
Yes, James has great communication skills and it's amazing to see what he can achieve when being serious
Always felt DC and Marvel are both really influenced by their origin time. DC came into their own late 30s into the 40s. So it's Pulp, Raypunk, detective noir and Classic Monsters. With Marvel they came into their own 60s, 70s so it's Sci-fi B-movies, Spy films, urban grindhouse and Blaxploitation.
And the best movies about either characters are the ones that realised that.
Well, technically Marvel emerged in the late '30s and early '40s, though their superheroes were either based on pulp action serials or wartime propaganda.
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Another example: Ghostrider. Johnny Blaze sells his soul, just like Faust. The difference is that Faust is driven by egotism and wants to know everything there is to know whereas Johnny wants to save his sick father.
Faust is not a Universal monster; but nontheless you made an interesting point there.
You could also equate him with The Mummy as he gained supernatural powers in order to help a loved one.
‘Batman vs. Dracula’ is a criminally overlooked animated movie. It’s based off of the 2004 series ‘The Batman’, and it and the series are both a really great watch.
Tom Kenny's Penguin was an absolute hoot as Dracula's familiar. But yes, agreed that even in the movie Dracula talks about how Batman must have been inspired by his legacy. So it fits into the discussion.
Based on the trilogy of books but mostly Red Reign. I only saw the movie once when it was new but you’re right it’s awesome
Universal should hire James to oversee the next reboot of the Dark Universe.
Except dont called it Dark Universe. Call it The Universe of Monsters.
Honestly they have dead talent James would be on another level. Universal should realy be scouting him there tesms have turned up turds for the last 3 decade's
He always did love to make horror movies. And I would be for it 100%.
Considering Marvel was mostly doing horror stories before the Fantastic Four and both The Hulk and Ant Man had been written as such, it's not surprising they have some overlap.
The character and image of Two Face was inspired by Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I mean just look at that NES game cover, how can you not think of Two Face!
DC's Solomon Grundy is also heavily inspired by the Frankenstein monster.
Because something new is actually thing that was long forgotten
That’s why people say superhero’s are just the gods of mythology today.
In entertainment nothing is truly original. Its previous ideas that are rejuvenated with a twist added to them.
The Superhero genre may live forever, but the classic monsters will NEVER die!
Thank you, James! :)
Originality has always been a myth, something I’ve come into realization a while ago. What matters in the end is the execution.
Original ideas don't exist.
Someone somewhere has the same ideas as you do.
Inspiration is everywhere. =)
Now I'm curious if James heard of 'Immortal Hulk', because the series brought back the horror movie roots and threw in insane body horror into the mix
@@gageansman295 Alex Ross drawing alot of the cover art makes it perfect too
@@the123joker Oh definitely, those covers are amazing. Very reminiscent of old monster movies
It also manages to cram in 60 years of Hulk history in it without it being problematic. It brings back old and almost forgotten concepts and does something new with it.
The Immortal Hulk is perfect.
When you remember that Frankenstein Punisher was an ACTUAL thing...
His name is Franken-Castle, I’m not making this up
Don’t forget the dc version of Frankenstein and bat-Tiger yes Batman became a tiger
Danny Elfman also composed the music for the remake of The Wolfman
Which begs the question - does Danny Elfman become an Elf under the light of the full moon?
I have the upmost respect for the classic monster movies. They couldn’t just rely on computers and graphics. They had to actually be creative and find ingenious ways to bring these monsters to life. It’s amazing what they created
Granted, creating graphics, animating them, and doing all things of that sort take incredible amounts of work, but they tend to be somewhat specialized to help design them. Monster movie creators had to work lots of it out on their own
I definitely agree. Creating CGI is hard as well. But creators now a days have DECADES to pull info and tips from. In the 1950’s they didn’t have anything except imagination. They were creating the unimaginable every day. I agree the CGI artist are amazing, but they already get plenty of love. I wanted to shine a light on these brilliant creators in the 1950’s that the newer generation doesn’t know about.
I wish you'd talked more about Swamp Thing. He's a wonderful example.
Scientist tries to make a bio-restorative formula, dies in a labratory explosion caused by a jealous colleague, comes back as a swamp monster, takes his revenge on the man who killed him and stole his girl, and returns to the swamp when his love doesn't recognise him.
Later on, Alec Holland (Swamp Thing) finds out that he's body was in fact destroyed in the lab explosion, and his consciousness was transferred into the body of the Swamp Thing (which is living vegetable matter).
Disclaimer: I wrote this in a rush.
Both Man-Thing and Swamp Thing are derivatives of a 1940s monster called The Heap (which also had an incarnation in the Skywald B/W Horror magazines before appearing at almost the same time in 1971 at DC/Marvel).
In the early 2000's Hulk DVD, the behind the scenes with Stan Lee interview said that the Hulk was influenced by Frankenstein's monster as the angry mob was out to get him, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide's transformation, and the Thing because he's big, bulky, and strong.
Let's not kid ourselves. Count Orlok is still scary 100 years later.
Those who don't think classic horror movies are scary only think of modern horror films as scary. But they don't know the classics has atmosphere, dread and tension. Sure, some modern horror films has those too, but modern horror tend to rely more on shock, and jump scares. People don't appreciate what classic horror does as opposed to modern ones.
@@whitewolf3051 the lighthouse and the babadook are my favourite 2000+ horors
@@donkrusovica9049 Are they like the classic horror, or most of the modern ones that rely on shock and jump scares?
@@whitewolf3051 they are more like the classics, the lighthouse especially
I could listen James talking about horror movies all day.
I just finished binge watching Monster Madness 2008-2014. This was the perfect cherry on top on that. Thank you James
6:10 this part gave me chills. I love that Batman theme, it’s so iconic.
Fantastic video, you managed to combine everything I love about superheroes with great commentary about classic horror movies. I love classic horror even though I’m more familiar with the literary side than the cinematic, but this definitely gives me more motivation to dive deeper into the movies.
"Imagine a world of explosions, metal, and madness."
I don't need to imagine it, we're living in one.
I've never seen the idea that superheroes are similar to classic monsters communicated so well so thanks James Rolfe for explaining it in the best way possible!
So true, this blueprint was invented so long ago! Crazy to think how relevant it still is.
I love it when he merges the past with the present and shows all the connections.
I'm so glad we have people like James digging this obscure old stuff up and present it to us.
It's like how a joker goon would say: "Bunch of freaks".
I enjoy the classic Universal films for many reasons: the actors, the stories, the iconic makeup and the amazing, atmospheric production design.
This is one of the most well thought out videos I've seen in a while, really never considered the connection between the two genres but I'm convinced now
I love when James put in some over time in the after hours. Been watching James for so many years and I'm so glad he's still going strong.
"Superhero movie seriea are just like classic monster movies!"
>Universal studios cries for the failure of their attempt to make a classic movie monster series which they once called the "Dark Universe."
I'm still so mad about that, I was so excited. Personally I think the problem was they let Tom Cruise be Tom Cruise.
That was the plan, but the started it with the Mummy, and that was a box office bomb that pretty much sank the concept.
@@TheTurnipKing Or they started with Dracula Untold, depending on how you see it.
Love AVGN but these kinds of videos are my favorite Cinemassacre content. It really is one of the best movie channels on youtube while also one of the best video game ones.
James talking about films has become my favourite content on Cinemassacre
@@user-qd8cs7nv7p james talking about films is way more impressive than classic avgn reviews.
This is one of the great comparison videos I’ve seen in a long time. Thanks, James/Cinemassacre!!
James connecting one of my favourite things to one of his favourite things. This is so cool and makes me think that James and I would have some fun conversations. (Not that me and James would meet anytime soon, but still fun to think about)
Marvel actually has most of the supernatural monsters in their universe Frankenstein, The Mummy, Werewolf, Dracula, Swampthing, etc some of them even teamup.
@@doodleboy565 Marvel never did much with Man-Thing. Swamp Thing on the other hand has had some great character arcs.
@@exhaustguy but they did a lot with Morbius. He had some pretty great arcs too.a
I did discover Warren, Skywald, and Eerie Publications as kid - still love them.
I've always thought this, but was never able to articulate it as well as James. I guess I need to watch more movies to get even a fraction of the knowledge he has.
Great video James! When I was little and would visit my dad, he used to put on the classic monster movies for me all the time. I loved them and really enjoyed discovering all the offshoots where the different monsters come together and cross each other's paths. I never realized all the intricacies to them you point out here--super interesting! Thank you for such a great nostalgic dive back into my favorite childhood monsters, sir. Keep being awesome.
"Hero...monster....it doesn't matter what they call you. What matters is what you choose."
-The Incredible Hulk
This is James at his finest. Well done sir. This was a masterpiece.
You should review the Direct-to-Video film “Batman vs. Dracula”. It’s awesome.
Binge-watching all Monster Madness and other discussion videos like this one, so happy to watch a new one. Keep up the great work, James!! These videos are so fun to watch/listen to while drawing
Great video James!
You've really done your research, and I love it!
Thoughts on the Darkman series of movies? It's a Universal movie, kind of a mix between monster and hero. Also directed by Sam Raimi.
That was fantastic. I'm not into monsters like superheroes, but wow the comparisons.
13:23
well there is a 2005 animated movie called "The Batman vs Dracula"
Apart from AVGN and Board James, this series is my favourite, James on his own showing his expertise about old school horror movies
Once James reaches the 90s movies, he will become the angry video nerd.
I want him to review Frankenhooker, one of the funniest bad movies out there.
The recent mistake of Universal to do their cinematic universe was the bad plot of their "The Mummy" reboot with Tom Cruise.
Excellent video! I love anytime that James talks about the Universal monsters.
This is my favorite thing you’ve ever done. This is so much how I’ve always felt about the classic monsters
"Nothing new under the sun" Meaning if it's now, it's been done ages ago. Every great idea was inspired by an older idea.
I can see similarties with superheroes with the monster characters. I even say they also share traits with anime characters as well. They're more mature and deal with real life issues
This is probably one of my more favorite videos of late. Very well researched and James' passion for these movies shows
Never really thought about it like that ! Thanks for these amazing comparisons !
Fun trvia: Talbout is a character in the Hulk series who tried to keep him locked up and imprisoned
But Ross is his superior, meaning he’s the one leading the chase.
I like how he talks about lesser known monsters like The Woofman
This was very interesting! I never thought about it that way, so thank you for explaining and lifting the lid on those connections.
Stellar commentary, a true delight to watch and learn a little something.
That was really an interesting video! Puts a new perspective to the classic horror characters! Would be great if platforms like Netflix or others could present these to today's audience !
"The Man Who Laughs" is an obvious inspiration for The Joker.
I really enjoyed this video! Love me some superheroes and the classic monsters. Great one man!
I'm really enjoying this different style of video, James. Keep it up!
And like superheroes, you can't just expect their movies to fly just because they're in a cinematic universe.
The Dark Universe is infamous for stopping the story for exposition that we're not invested enough to care about. Marvel gets a bad rap for info dumps but they space it out and often leave it in the credits. You don't have to explain why HYDRA has Viking tech - they already explained it in THOR!
This is also the main why Doctor Doom has still never been done right. In a Fantastic Four movie where they're the only superheroes, you have to explain how science and magic work in the same universe. Now that he can be in the MCU, they don't have to; we know the science because of Iron Man and Ant-Man, we know the magic because of Thor and Doctor Strange. All you need to explain how Dr. Doom knows science and magic is a cameo scene with Tilda Swinton and flashbacks of him studying with hopefully-John Krasinski-but-if-not-I-trust-the-casters.
Instead we have to sit through the less than inspiring Phase IV. Sorry after Endgame I lost my enthusiasm. I am not a big Doctor Strange fan, but that movie seems to be the only one of interest to me.
The title actually really caught my attention and made me very intrigued
This is really enlightening! I never thought of it like this!
Wow the parallels are pretty astounding. Great take.
You could go even further and those characters from early monster movies could also be inspired from earlier stories and epics from different religions and cultures. Nothing is original but it is very cool to see modern retelling of different stories. Thanks for this video it was interesting
I actually saw a documentary on the Hulk movie from 2003! Stan Lee have said that Frankenstein's Monster and Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde were his inspiration for the Hulk!
That fact got stuck to my head as a child since then!
Another great video James. You definitely made it clear two of my favorite loves in media and their parallels.
This video was perfect
Great video, James! Alot of your examples i had no idea about the similarities to classic monsters, very interesting.
Classic myths became classic folktale.
Classic folktales became classic novels.
Classic novels became classic movies.
Classic movies became an inspiration.
Inspiration becomes new stories.
It’s beautiful in a lot of ways.
This is such an interesting video, it's something I have actually never thought.
I wonder, how much did James researched for this video? Because it does looks like did took a lot of time to compare all the similarities
Only James can come up with Videos like this and that's why I got so much respect for him!
This video is so well thought out. This is the kind of stuff I subscribe for. Keep it up James!
I'd love to hear James talk about Batman vs The Mad Monk or Batman/Dracula: Red Rain.
A lot of body horror stories also could become superhero stories. Like Teeth is a superhero story, The Fly could also become a superhero story easily. Dr. Brundle makes a machine but it goes wrong and he becomes part fly and starts gaining abilities.
Awesome video as always James!
3:18 Don't forget that he was also based off of Doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
Edit: Nevermind, you mentioned him at 4:01, but to confirm your suspicion, Stan Lee did indeed said that Hulk was also based off of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde was not about horror. It’s about man’s animal nature. His struggle to control it to conform. And it’s about man living with the fear of what he could be capable of.
So is The Fly horror (either version)? Same conflict and Stevenson had very horrific elements in his original novella (trampling a young child).
Right basically any monster movie about science experiments gone wrong can be based on that idea (expect for Frankenstein)
Tell that to the people Hyde killed. Oh, wait. They won't hear you, SINCE THEY'RE DEAD!
@@tenhirankei it’s symbolism of a quote from Robert Louis Stevenson “in each of us, two natures are at war.”
If I take nothing away from this, it's that musical leitmotif in Wolfman/Batman! That's pure gold!
Great video James. Thank you !
swamp thing and man thing are straight out of universal monster movies
it’s funny I always knew that Hulk looked like Frankenstein! ;)
Your Clips always calms my soul :) I love it just to chill and to enjoy
Great video, as always, James!
Hulk is more Jackyl and Mr.Hyde than Frankenstein
I feel like its obvious that the hulk is based more off of jekyll and hyde rather than frankenstein. Solomon Grundy is more frankenstein in the sense he's a walking corpse
Stan Lee said in an interview (don't remember when) that he got the inspiration while watching the Boris Karloff Frankenstein. He would yell "he's not the bad guy! The villagers are the bad guys!" But he knew that that idea wasn't enough to create a compelling character so he looked to Jekyll and Hyde.
Nothing will beat the universal monsters there are the best films
Love this kind of videos you do, this was awesome.
Time just flies by listening to James talk about movies I swear. Love his takes on stuff like this.
As my seniors have told me: "There's nothing new under the sun"
@@Charziken909 Well it's not that they weren't creative. They essentially were saying that all ideas are inspired, and then reimagined. NEW = REFURBISHED OLD
I knew that a lot of super heroes that were based on old monsters, I didn't know it ran so deep. This is a great video!
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😂😂 wait until he finds out about Devil Hulk. Now hes a REAL monster.
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Love you, James! Hope you and your family are well.