‘No problem’ with Josh Allen winning MVP over Lamar, Will Luka & LeBron win a ring? | THE HERD
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- Josh Allen narrowly won his 1st NFL MVP over Lamar Jackson, and Colin Cowherd says it was ‘about time’ Josh Allen was recognized and that he has ‘no problem’ with Allen winning the award. Plus, he discusses Luka Doncic and his chances to win a ring with LeBron James and the Los Angeles Lakers.
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They both deserved it but Josh did it with less overall support
Yea its almost like Allen was more valuable. 😮
The love for lamar is crazy , the dude has 2 mvps while never making a Superbowl and defending him for not getting a third while going 12-5 , this is crazy
Facts
@@h2oussama988 but Josh Allen never made a superbowl appearance LOL
@h2oussama988 Lamar fans stunned he didn’t get his DEI MVP for making it to the playoffs.
If you’re talking about his legacy you have an argument, but MVP is a REGULAR SEASON AWARD!!! Yall docking Lamar for what doesn’t matter.
@ Saquan, Burrow, Goff and Lamar all had better seasons. Literally the least deserving lol
Josh is more valuable to his team. It’s close but he deserved it.
Lamar definitely valuable to Ravens even with Henry Lamar would have done the same thing on the bills
If the world wasn’t so stat obsessed, this mvp year definitely felt as close as possible
Agreed. Half the dunces in here complaining only watch highlight vids of the games and the statsheet afferwards.
Lamar had a better team
Still great player
No hate
Like just think abt that Lamar had a better team but his team did worse record wise then Josh’s team and then got beat by Josh in the playoffs seems like Josh is objectively more valuable to me 🤷♂️
Just call it the "Most Valuable Quarterback Award" at this point. Barkley with a top 5-10 season ever by a running back and doesn't win. Insane.
They really should make it two awards. I think offensive player of the year is a "part two" for the non QB players...Chase also had a fantastic season.
Last year Allen's stats were better but Lamar got the MVP. Stats don't matter in MVP race.
Why do people keep saying this? Allen’s turnovers basically disqualified him
@@sunnydays405the amount of total yards and TDs outweighed Lamar’s total yards and TD production depite the TOs
@@mrmoney4226it didn’t. Lamar had more rushing stats. They got it right both years, Josh led the league in turnovers
That’s literally gifted MVP
2019 Lamar Jackson MVP passing yards 3127 , td's 43.. 2023 Lamar MVP yards 3678 td's 29... Josh Allen 24 mvp yards 3731 td's 40
lol everything you said about Lamar this year was Josh last year and he didn’t win MVP and you praised Lamar up and down for being 2 time MVP
It's MVP fatigue with Lamar, similarly to what happened with Jokic in the NBA. Jokic lost the MVP and had better numbers than his previous MVP season. Lamar had better numbers this season than his other MVP season.
That's just cause Lamars MVP seasons were so mediocre.
Lamar had better numbers but also a better team
Lamar s last year MVP was a farce they corrected it this yr
As a Chief fan I believe Josh Allen deserves the MVP Im excited for him. Cant wait to watch Chiefs and Bills games Next year. I believe Josh will get a super bowl ring before Burrow or Jackson.
I like how you said "games". There will probably be a January meeting again.
🤝
James cook scored weekly and they act like Henry was the only one doing work lmao
thanks!!
Cook is awesome but come on
James cook is the ultimate vulture. Outside of a lot of goal line touchdowns despite being the worst goal line back on the team, he didn’t do anything special this season. Allen still scored 11 rushing touchdowns.
Nobody fears James cook. A lot of people fear Derrick Henry. That’s the difference here
Tbh the MVP voters messed up last year giving it to Lamar. If that hadn't happened, this year it could have easily gone to him considering he was much better this year. It's just that last year his team was the easily best in the league and they only lost to KC because they choked and KC is amazing.
So yeah, for me, the weirder MVP was last year, not this one. This one was pretty close, and you probably would rather give it to the guy that doesn't have one but definitely deserves one, rather than the guy that has two and just choked last year.
No QB performed better nor were they more consistent as Lamar back in 2023. A lot of fans need to educate themselves on that season because obviously they’re clueless
@chrischilds368 I agree he was the more consistent, but this is the Most VALUABLE Player, not the Most Consistent Player award. Everyone could see that the most valuable part of the team was the defense. They were demolishing teams. In playoffs against the Texans Lamar didn't do anything in the first half, but the defense was destroying the Texans and then they kept KC to 17 points and still lost. So who was more valuable on that team? The defense.
It's easy to be consistent and it's all you need to be when your defense is playing like that.
This year it was the other way around, Lamar and Henry carried the team while the defense was in shambles for like 10 weeks, and that's why he was much more valuable this season. What he did this year could only be done by a handful of QB's, while last year's result could be done with any top 15 QB of the league.
@@chrischilds368 braindead comment lol
He said Steph play a great game he took 35 shots to get 37 points lol 6/20 from 3 gtfoh Collin
If you're say it was gifted then that's the problem right there. Yes it was gifted, Tony Romo said he voted for him because he felt sorry for him. How many voters had the same mindset but don't say the quiet part out loud
Tony Romo is the last person who should be saying anything. A total stat boy who never won anything.
Both were deserving but you can’t say Jackson got robbed because he won it last year with much worse stats. Allen was better overall in what was supposed to be a rebuild year
Josh should of won in 2023. He had better stats than Lamar. But Lamar won.
There needs to be a real conversation about the MVP voting! How can Barkley get 0 first place votes! Absolute Joke
Because he’s not more valuable than Lamar or Josh. It’s pretty simple. MVP stands for most valuable player btw! Saquon had over 1k yards before contact because his oline is ELITE. They made the superbowl without him for a reason, and he never turned around the giants on his own. Sorry voters aren’t biased for your guy
@@Rosecain27Facts
Why move the nba trade deadline ? Everyone talked about the Luka trade for 3 straight days. I forgot it was superbowl week lol
Let's stop this mvp trophy non sense. No logic with stats.
Why was Jayden Daniels not in the MVP conversation. He did more with less than any other player. Redskins were 4-and something the year before. There was how many different players on this team* He delivered on every last minute drive the last 6 games
Well spoken about Josh Allen…
Herbert had the least amount of weapons on his 3rd coach
Please stop with that stat. Mahomes played one game his first season.
Affirmative Action MVP 😂
That was last year.
@@peterjohnson1734 Lol I’m open to that take. But I guess who deserved it last year?
I know it’s a regular season award but at least the playoffs showed us another Lamar choke against the guy who won MVP.
Joe Flacco better than Lamar got hardware Jackson got stats lol
@@Rosecain27 if Lamar choked, Josh Allen choked lol. Neither guy can beat Mahomes!
Everybody's using the term DEI wrong.
It's crazy.
I'm saying 😂
So is Josh the DEI candidate?
How? Because he got it over Lamar? Even though Lamar had the better team and still lost more games?
Joe Flacco better than Lamar he has hardware Lamar has stats, Allen Beat Lamar twice in the playoffs time to take a seat
@ and yet Josh didn’t make 1rst team all pro. How does that happen?
Remember when Josh Allen went 9/30 passing against and AFC playoff team?
And Lamar had 2 turnover in that game too but sure he outplayed Josh 😂😂😂
He did out play him
@smittyj383 yeah if having 2 turnover and Josh not a single one is being outplayed then sure 😂😂
I couldn’t even tell Josh Allen played. Dude was damn near a none factor
@chrischilds368 yeah me neither only had 2 tds and 0 turnover to handicap his team like Lamar did. Everyone noticed Lamar played because he played so bad
@@chrischilds368 Braindead comment.
Please give First Things First these main hours they are so much better now
Colin straight rambles and says nothing in these segments nowadays
Facts
Michael Jordan was 40 when he scored 43 points for the Washington Wizards.
LeBron and Luka are going to be great now that they have a pivot man.
Stephen played a horrible game yesterday wtf is Collin saying
Colin trying to make a point, no matter how far off it was.
3:50 just time… Allen is the DEI MVP
Lol, cope.
Lamar got carried by Derrick Henry.
@ Derrick had 1,167 yards in 2023… Lamar won 14 games in 2023. Derrick joins Lamar and rushes for 1900+ the math won’t lie. Lamar had more passing yards and TD’s on a run dominant team. Lamar averages about 25 passes per game but had 4000. Either you do math or you don’t..
@ Word has it, Lamar is still in Derrick's backpack
Nope, that was last year.
Win a damn super bowl then talk.
The departed is top 10 wtf are you smoking colin
That's just one of those things that Colin glazes over to try and make a point.
Only Lamar gets punished for having good players on his team. Even Tom Brady backed Lamar but ok.
Lamar was hurt by him winning the mvp last season with terrible stats
@@cep3608 Lamar won it because he had the biggest moments, is it that hard to understand? He had statement games down the stretch while Purdy cooled off, dak cooled off and and same with cmc.
Lmao, Josh has a mediocre team around him. Name me one special player on that team apart from JA?
@@jg5050 James cook, Amari cooper (5x pro bowler)
@Dimezprod Then you could say the same about Josh having statement games over kc, Detroit and La. Lamar’s didn’t even have 30 total touchdowns last year and won it. Gtfoh
Outrage is weird, would’ve been fine giving it to Josh or Lamar I don’t understand how anyone can act like it wasn’t a competition for the majority of the second half of the season
Lets not forget Allen missed 6 fourth quarters this year, cuz won games by the end of 3rd quarter, no need to play after. This definitely impacts stats.
I don’t think think there are many teams in the NFL that wouldn’t dump their starting QB in a nanosecond for either of those guys
Brilliant analogy. Goodfellas is a great movie, but Departed won the Oscar. Great work.
If it’s about “help” take away mahomes Manning and Brady’s MVPs. Because apparently having Derrick Henry makes you less valuable.
This could of been a year were we could have a shared MVP wasn't upset over the pick for mvp
I wonder if DraftKings would’ve given me a winning payout for both guys lol.
It’s the Jokic treatment. Win a ring and they will give him every MVP. There shouldn’t be but there is other stats than just stats into MVP Voting thinking
I don’t care who wins. Both are great. I rather see them win a Super Bowl then get a MVP
Lamar/Josh fans STILL arguing about MVP even though both got sent home while Pat going for another Lombardi 😂
Totally wrong about the departed
If lamar wouldve won he would have as many mvps as playoff wins
Nobody meant more to their team than Jaiden Daniels....................MVP
No
Josh Allen definitely means more than the bills. Not a bad argument tho
Yall do realize Lamar was Lamar before Derrick
First team All-Pro is a statistics-based award. The MVP is not. Josh Allen is easily justified in getting the award.
Something is off with the audio of the new set
JOSH got his pity MVP.. 8 is the best player in league and im certain he will pick up the award next year
With all do respect, Lamar shouldn’t have won last year and they have snubbed Josh a couple of years
you're sure right
josh the DEI winner
They didn't gift it to him he was the most value to his team, go bills!
A gift
that would be Patrick
“He’s been too good for too long, it was time.” The true DEI MVP Josh Allen
😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Yes, because Lamar was DEI mvp last year.
Lol, cope.
Lamar got carried by Derrick Henry.
@simba8276 it was definitely D.E.I why josh allen won
That Bill line is straight diabolical
I guess forget the fact that in every category Lamar was better
Your an idiot lamar jackson had a stacked team. You put josh allen on the raven's they win the superbowl, you put josh on the chiefs it's a done deal. Josh allen is the most valuable player in the nfl
We saw when the head to head really mattered, who the REAL MVP is. Seems like the right call. Otherwise Lamar would have as many MVPs as Playoff victories.
Colin...you FORGOT TO PUT UP.....950 YARDS RUSHING BY LAMAR IN YOUR COMPARISON GRAPH....
Why did it have to be between Lamar and Josh?! Saquon really should have won it this season and not enough people are talking about that!
No. Saquon isn’t more valuable to the eagles than Josh and Lamar are to their teams. Giants prove that. Eagles are stacked and made the SB two years ago without him.
Its not the "who has the best stats" award. Otherwise why waste time voting? You obviously have to have good stats, duh but that should never be the deciding factor. Oh and Mike Ditka and Jiim McMahon were also a very good duo, especially because MikeD won superbowls as player AND coach.
Josh Allen got MVP because they didnt want to give Lamar another one 😂
Its clear as day
There was only 2 players that deserved MVP Lamar and Barkley
Thats it
Nah Barkley should have won it but josh wasn't better then lamar jackson
Lol, cope.
Lamar got carried by Derrick Henry.
@Zieg_Games 4200 41 td with 4 picks is being carried josh allen wish he was carried like that
@@Ilikemonk Word has it Lamar is still in Derrick's backpack
@Zieg_Games 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Here we go.... C'mon Lamar Jackson supporters, let's start playing the race card. That's exactly where this narrative is going to end up.
Well Josh is the DEI MVP
@@chrischilds368 Lol. Dude cast the line looking for bites, and here you go swallowing the bait. Do better
@@SuperSonic_868 facts are facts. Josh Allen did not deserve MVP. The media wanted it to be “his turn”.
@chrischilds368
Might need to look at stats for one of Jackson's previous MVPs...if it's all about just stats.
@@michaeljones3765 you tell me who should have won MVP in 2023 and I’ll tell you objectively why they did not. Either the QBs played bad at the end of the season like Purdy and Dak, or they played bad at the beginning/middle of the season like Allen.
Saquons the MVP
Don’t give me that bs. If we really emphasizing VALUE Jayden Daniels or saquon should’ve won it. If it’s stats based, then Lamar should’ve won. They just wanted Allen to have a mvp
Lol, cope.
Lamar got carried by Derrick Henry.
@ “cope” brother I’m not a big fan of either
Lmao no
@@ghostface3652 pure copium
lol thinking a RB is more valuable than Lamar or Josh or even Jayden is crazy work. How come he never did this with the giants if he’s so single handedly valuable? Bro had over 1,000 yards before contact his oline is elite. The eagles are STACKED. This is such a cope. Put Josh on the eagles and Saquon on the bills. Tell me who’s more valuable. It’s actually just ignorant
Idek why Colin is speaking of this as it’s an argument. Josh is the mvp. He carried a mediocre squad to the afc title game. There's no debate.
Lmfao obviously it’s a debate every outlet is shocked
Just wish he could have been better in that AFC championship game
Stats Allen vs Lamar - Lamar will have to get back all his MVPs lol I love the idea
Clown school is in session
Broadcast sound is terrible. Sounds like Colin’s in a closet
It’s a joke how the white analysts be tryna act like James cook wasn’t important and Allen was a 1 man show.. what a joke
The departed is a billion times better than goodfellas
“It was just time” so basically if Lamar didn’t already have MVPs he would’ve won again? Lol that’s sad
Neither deserved it. They aren’t doing anything we haven’t seen the last few years. Barkley should have got it.
@@AnyGivenMondayPodcast yeah or daniels since we going off of team projections from preseason
Here you are coping again even though in your other comment you said you weren’t a big fan of Lamar or Josh. Bros just mad Josh got it
@@AnyGivenMondayPodcastthis an absolutely ridiculous take
Top 30 would be an all timer
I disagree. I think if you’re giving Lamar Jackson all pro then he should be MVP or Josh Allen should be all pro first and MVP.
I don’t want one guy getting a participation award and the other getting the actual award or top award
That’s like LeBron making all NBA first team defense, but the guy who won defensive player of the year was all second team defense NFL media voters are the worst
Wanted josh to get it but who really cares. They got beat where it really matters. Individual trophies are not the goal
Pathetic DEI MVP !!
Joe Flacco better than Lamar he has hardware Lamar has stats 😂
Steph missed 20 shots last night that was not the best he has played all year
Colin, LeBron was playing like this months before the trade
Just move to Chicago and retire already
JOSH ALLEN...DEI MVP....IF NOT LAMAR...SAQUON SHOULD HAVE WON...BUT WE NEED SOME DIVERSITY IN THE PLAYER AWARDS THIS YEAR....LOLLLL
Mvp stands for most valuable player to team…. Lamar played with who at running back that could have gotten mvp votes… josh Allan was most def more important to his team than Lamar was to his team right or wrong??
Lebron just got Top 3 player at 40. No other great gets another chance like that. Lebron is definitely showing off. He has pride. He says you want my successor but I’m still the face. Gonna be an adjustment for Luka to go to number 2 and alpha and sit in Lebrons shadeow.
Ppl want the nfl to be a sports league, or at least they judge it like a sports league, but it's not. There are sports leagues that exist and are designated as such on legal documents. The nfl (and nba) aren't. They have the same designation on legal documents as the WWE. They are entertainment leagues, NOT sports leagues, so they do what they think is best for the entertainment aspect, to gain more attention, not what makes the most sense in terms of the sports. They are businesses, not teams. You're watching a tv show (or live show), not a sports competition. All your confusion will be removed when u understand this. There is no standard, just whatever makes a more captivity show for the mass majority... and negative attention is the same as positive attention
If Lamar was in the Superbowl he would be the MVP.. It is NOT a regular season award.
I think if the Eagles win, Barkley will have a shot at Superbowl MVP.
Allen got that make a wish mvp
Not even close 🤣🤣🤣💀 ya’ll are so pathetic. Excuses excuses excuses.
Really you sound dum AF there stats are damn near identical. Josh Allen did more with less and he hasn't won a mvp yet.
just like lamar did 😂😂😂
@@stevenbrooks1787 Alright take away Peyton’s MVPs since he had MHJ Reggie Wayne and Ed. James.
Just like Lamar’s last year!
DEI MVP
Lol, cope.
That was last year
What if the superbowl was determined by votes. Then the Eagles would win it this year just because the voters are tired of voting for the Chiefs?!?
Josh Allen will forever be know as the DEI MVP.
Nope, that title is held by Lamar.
@ Lamar earned all his MVPs. Should’ve had a 3rd but it was “Josh Allen’s turn” lmao. How pathetic
@@chrischilds368 I agree with you in that I would have rather seen Lamar win it over Josh Allen. But let's be real, Saquon really should have been the winner this season!
@chrischilds368 mvp, most valuable player. Everyteam in three league objectively would take josh and Kansas city would consider it. Same isn't true for Lamar. Lamar has a better team and even he says he has empty stats. Only the post season matters. Did you know if you take Lamar's playoff stats only he isn't even a top 20 qb?
@@chrischilds368should’ve had his 3rd MVP even though he had the better team and still lost more games. At least we have proof from the playoffs. Cope harder
So Williams is a downgrade from Davis, they have less rebounding and defense as Bigs. Also Luca James and Reeves for some reason he's been talked about a lot like he's a top 20 player okay, they don't play defense. And by letting reddish and Dalton go where is the 3-pointers??
That's the only thing he can Win 😆😂😂😂😂
Shoulda been Barkley or Lamar
Ben Simmons father lol
Sorry Colin yes 20-30 years from now people will call it the MVPity award for Josh. Like 20 years ago Nash won over Kobe. People are still talking about that till this day. And you what that got Steve Nash no where he ain’t even consider top 5 pg of all time. no one sees him as a mvp cuz we know who the real mvp is. Same with some mlb mvps or cy young you can win them but is it memorable. This season isn’t memorable for Josh. This season ppl will remember that the media gifted Josh an award because they feel like I.e. white ppl that Lamar shouldn’t have 3 MVPs and Josh have none. If Joe burrow and Lamar Jackson switch teams record. Burrow would been unanimous mvp. Like stop the nonsense. Yall wanted Josh to win one. But on one respects it. That’s what worse. I guarantee you the Players will vote him as the most overrated player in the league
Lol, cope.
Lamar got carried by Derrick Henry.
The Derrick Henry argument is WEAK. Derrick Henry had a career year based on the threat of Lamar. Value is the guy that lifts everyone else. Lamar helped Derrick Henry revamp is career. Lamar helped Zay Flowers become the first 1000 receiver is Ravens history..
Derrick Henry is Lamar’s first elite weapon.
Henry had a 2k rushing season before joining the Ravens 🤣. He never needed the threat of a scrambling QB for him to off since his Alabama days
@ in 2023 the year before he joined Lamar he had 1,167 rushing yards… come on bruh.
@discodrip3097 lmao you're only looking at that ONE off year.. What about the fact Henry ran for at least 1,500 yards in 3 other seasons and the FACT Henry ran for 2,000 plus yards in another season BEFORE ever joining the Ravens. Clown take
@ it’s not a clown take. The NFL isn’t plug and play. There’s scheme and hours of planning. Derrick Henry has had success prior. But the narrative was he was the back 9 of his career. In recent years he has NOT put up the numbers he did this year. Yea when he’s in 20’s he can overcome bad qb play and a bad team. But he’s 30 now being with Lamar makes a difference especially when they’re running option plays and play action and you have to decide whether to play to the run or the pass and if you play the run which style as you’re getting cus they guy throwing the ball runs like Barry Sander. You’re bringing up old numbers under different circumstances and variables. 1,167 to 1900+ is a big jump for a running back leaving his prime. Derrick doesn’t do that without Lamar. You can disagree but that would mean you’re smart than every analyst. And judging by your assessment you don’t understand context and nuance at all.
@@discodrip3097He had 2,000YDs with Ryan Tannehill stop it he had a all time great RB season for over shadowed by Saquon yes of course Lamar helped him just like he helped Lamar that is why neither was MVP
Lamar was 6th in stats in 2023. How does that work?
He also had 2 rb go down led his team in rushing while beating 11 playoff teams how does that work .. enjoy white QBs while they last lien every other position bet on their way out how does that work?..
Make a wish mvp
Lol, cope.
Lamar got carried by Derrick Henry.
Mic is trash