The Verge Is Doomed... Or Is Bethesda Deadlocked? (The Jimquisition)
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It's a double bill of a video! First, we talk about The Verge controversially previewing Deadlock without Valve's blessing and the nontroversy that followed. Then, we discuss the recent rerelease of Doom/Doom II, and the lack of oversight that led to a lot of credit stolen from modders. Oh what fun!
#Deadlock #Doom #Valve #Bethesda #Gamesjournalism #journalism #TheVerge #Jimquisition #JimSterling #StephanieSterling #Games #Gaming #Mods #Controversy #Doom2
Randy was accused of some truly AWFUL things and then did the absolute most to behave like he was guilty of even worse.
Randy is one of those scumbags who continue to prove that a bottomless pit exists.
Randy is proof there is no god - a benevolent deity would have cast him into the pits of hell long ago.
I remember that time Randy cried about Sterling during an interview, Randy Bitchturd is such a drama queen.
I know he did not deny he had access to CP
When will you people finally realize what a magician is?
I think Bellular Games made the best point. The moment Valve allowed those already in the closed beta to send invites that weren't properly NDA'ed, Valve no longer had expectation of secrecy. They go so far as to theorize that this sort of "guerilla" content is what Valve want to have happen, as the week following the article, The Verge reached out to Valve on another topic for comment, and Valve did respond proving that The Verge isn't being blocked from access to Valve.
Doesn't intent matter? Allowing something to happen isn't the same as intending for it to happen. It could have been a mistake on Valve's part, but at the same time, considering the NDA, they can argue they didn't intend/want people to share the invites.
There was no NDA just a request@@octavianpopescu4776
@@octavianpopescu4776 The Verge is not legally obligated to do whatever Valve would like it to do.
Also if you're sending out mass invites to play your video game, you should expect that game to be discussed. Including by press. Because thats how people work.
There is a strong sense of resentment I read from Valve stans upset over this that reminds me of when Toby Fox released Deltarune Chapter 1. Except...Valve is not a beloved indie developer who made a kind request that people let the magic be preserved for as long as possible, to keep the nature of something secret so more people can have fun. Valve made the request to appear faux consumer friendly 'good guy' as it always does, but with the legal menace behind it of a multimillion dollar company implied - NDA or no. That has a chilling effect, and I'm grateful that The Verge went public with the story anyway.
@@dragonprism This was not, and is not, a legal matter. Even for the situation with Deltarune, it doesn't matter if someone is a “small beloved indie dev”. That was not a legal matter either. All these outrage is a big nothing burger.
Nobody expects the second Jimquisition!
Thank God for Them . . .
x2
Its chief weapons are fear and surprise?
😂
Mr. President, a second JImquisition has hit the towers
Missed opportunity really.
The Deadlock "controversy" to me will never not be ridiculous. With how many people have a low opinion of games journalism, getting mad at a very unexceptional piece of journalism - neither exceptionally good or bad - makes me laughing mad. Just like... what do they *want* from game journalism, even? They did the basic purpose of journalism, and THIS happened. Bloody hell.
Thank you for covering the subject, I needed a dose of reality. I brought this up to a group of people who are usually very reasonable, and everyone insisted the in-game pop-up was as good as an NDA. I felt like I was going insane. Thank God for Stephanie Fucking Sterling.
Even if it was as good as an NDA, he pressed the escape key and the notice went away! He didn't agree to shit! That's why pressing the Escape key doesn't close out ToS or EULA prompts when you launch a game for the first time, because if you could you'd just be able to access the game without agreeing to those!
90000% agreed.
If people have the right to speak, then journalists have a right tp report. They MUST have standards, of course, and thus the people reading the journalism need to be able to judge Factuallity without decending into petty argument.
We Must All Be Able To Speak Clearly, and without the smokescreens of petty screaming children who judge what is true based on What Benifits Them.
Ignore the tantrums. Seek the truth wherever groups seek to shakle it to a Must Not Be Spoken Taboo
What Gamers (tm) want from journalists is just an echo chamber of their own opinions and biases.
Love a game? Journalists better worship the ground it walks on and the company who published it.
Hate a game? Journalists should raze it to the ground and salt the earth it grew in.
Uncomfortable with minority representation in a game? Journalists better talk about how DEI is ruining the industry.
It is, unfortunately, just that shallow.
They don't want journalism, they want advertising for their corporate gods
honestly - even if there had been an NDA... from a journalistic point violating one of those is perfectly fine to get accurate information out there
its gonna screw over the publication or the person, because those actually have legal weight - but those are their consequences to bear if they decide to do so...
what do you think a whistleblower is doing? they almost always violate contracts or laws to do their whistleblowing... and thats considered one of the highest integrity moves one can make - but it wont shield them from the consequences...
I've always known Stephanie Sterling was secretly a shark, but then she outright admits to wanting a bucket of chum. Absolute gotcha, red handed, smoking gun right there
Considering that they sometimes wear a prawn mask, that hints that JSS is a shark disguising themselves as chum to lure in predators and go for the kill. That makes a lot of sense. 🦈
that's their government assigned fursona, or scalesona as it were
It's pretty stupid of people to go after The Verge, because this is obviously meant to be a marketing stunt by Valve in the first place. 'Play this, but don't show it to anyone, no NDA though', is obviously going to get people talking about it.
Never forget that, back in the 90's, Microsoft internally used the phrase "Embrace, extend, extinguish" (basically, welcome the new thing, make the new thing better, and once you become the de facto standard proverbially strangle out your competition). Despite getting in trouble with the DoJ over that, this smells a hell of a lot similar.
Except they skipped the "make the new thing better" part where possible.
so that's why Windows has the monopoly on computers despite sucking-
Except that's not how it works. Embrace hot new and open thing, extend it by adding proprietary extensions(see java, HTML), and extinguish the old original thing that doesn't have the proprietary extensions.
@@sophitiaofhyrule If the monopoly doesn't come organically you can always resort to shady or outright criminal tactics: threaten, sue, bribe...
I hate MS since Windows 95: setting up LANs was a pain in the averwhere, MS sure didn't come up with a solution, they withheld APIs so no-one else could, and if a startup came close they just bought and closed it.
The whole basis of the Disruption Bros is that the D's really for "Destructive"
Its weird how often gamers get pissed at crap journalism then suddenly so many flip to "leave the billion dollar corporation alone" when they get good journalism.
One part paid PR and shills, one part brainwashed cultishness on par with scientiology
Conservatives are like that. They think DEI I'd worse than corporate greed and worker exploitation.
Games are wonderful.
Gaming culture is, top to bottom, worthless.
It's because good or bad journalism is not the criteria.
The criteria is : Are you saying what I want you to say ?
Which, let be frank here, is fundamentally anti journalism.
Most of those "gamers" are actually bots created by the billion dollar corporations. Very few of them are real.
Gamers: "Wee want more Videosgame journalism that is like journalism but with less feeeeemales!"
Some bloke:*does a journalism*
Gamers: "NooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOooOOOo"
Fucking hell.
Do journalism, people get mad.
Don't do journalism, people get mad.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't; no wonder gaming journalism turned out the way it did.
It's only a videosgame journalism when it complains about *checks this week's notes* DEI in game studios
@@Hirohitorunguard I find that nobody ever asks me *why* I dropped out of Journalism school. Well, college. I dropped out of college. Wherein I was studying journalism.
Anyway, nobody ever questions it. Everyone understands that even if you do it well, it's a TERRIBLE job.
The Verge: "Of all of the games in the world, Deadlock is one of them"
Valve: "How DARE you!?!?" 🥺
I'd wager that Valve intended for this to happen. In the corporate world, you don't say "pretty please don't talk about our product", you do NDA's. Look at all the attention this game is getting right now! Just smart marketing. It's like leaving an open cookie jar on the floor with a sign that says please don't take a cookie.
I wouldn't be surprised - I've heard more about Deadlock this week than I ever have before. If not, it's one of the most severe cases of Streisand Effect I've ever seen
"Todd Howard he was... born... Howard" should not be as funny to me as it is.
Uh, Howard is a Germanic word meaning “brave heart" so that makes no sense.
"He did games... wrong" 😂😂😂
Works on so many levels. 👍
It's funny because the song reminds me of "25 or 6 to 4"
The whole bonusintro was more fum than it deserved to be. XD
gamers try not to be bootlickers challenge (impossible)
The Deadlock gameplay sporadically through this genuinely looks like a fake videogame that would be playing in the background of an episode of Law and Order.
It's actually extremely fun if you like MOBAs.
I had the same thought
@@ZodiacEntertainment2 Deadlock is for washed up fps pros and dota 2 players who really think the reason why they're stuck in Archon is there isn't enough shooting. The game is at least several years away from being polished enough to be appealing. At least it won't be mtx hell, thanks Valve for that at least.
@@cynthiacrescent ok, go play something else then?
That bizarre '80s Jazzercise running on the spot was well, bizaere.
Some gamers unironically defending "access journalism" which is against their own gamer interests.
most gamers in general are a bunch of uncritical alfrids who get very aggro if you take away their lollipop or critisize the color of it
@@atomaalatonal (a long time ago) "Hey guys, maybe don't buy this overpriced horse armor. It could send the wrong message." (people buy the overpriced horse armor) (a long time later) "Why are games all garbage lately? It must be because of (insert right-wing moral panic du jour). I will make a post about it on X right after I pre-order a couple of games and buy a couple of Fortnite skins."
I mean, people do the same thing when they vote republican or tory. Same manipulation mechanisms.
@@rainbowkrampus If I had to blame a single thing it would be world of Warcraft. That was where people were spending money and it's where microtransactions got incredibly profitable and normalized and then other games like team fortress 2 which of course people aren't going to mention because they love valve.
@@rainbowkrampus Can't be because all the games are crowbarred-in live-service garbage cranked out to be as bland and inoffensive as possible (or offensive in a way that challenges no wealthy shareholders or their friends). Nah, it must be because "games gone woke". Caring, that's the problem. Too many people care about other people! And then they want those other people not to be viciously mocked for things they didn't choose. What a load of caring!
Bethesda wants to sell mods without any of the responsibility that selling products comes with.
Sounds on brand for them. They got a ton of push back for trying to set up a mod store and push out the modders that do it for funsies or to make the game better. Now they just wash their hands of all of it and let people fix their games for them.
Bethesda has long relied on the modding community to actually patch their games to a playable state or make the content that should have been a part of a game with that high a price tag in the first place.
bugthesda. we make shitty games on a shitty engine that only the modders know how to use
@@cmdraftbrn Meanwhile Stardew valley has sold 30 million copies, has NO microtransactions, has on average 50'000 players on steam at any given time, Is single player, Is one of the most modded games of all time besides Fallout new vegas or Doom, and looks like an SNES game. This game shows clearly that AAA companies are out of touch and full of shit and only wanna make money hand over fist through exploiting people but don't know the first thing about even doing their job because most of the AAA boomer bastards never have or wont pick up a controller and even play what they make.
I personally don't like Bethesda games but highly respect them for being the only AAA dev that focuses on making their games from the ground up to be easily modded and those mods made accessible to everyone. Starfield and Skyrim both are basically just build-a-bear video games and I think that's a great design idea
It's literally their job to report on things. Yeah I get that there was a request to not do a preview but it's a news outlet and there was no full fledged NDA. Not to mention if you aren't ruffling feathers as a news site, then you aren't doing it right.
It's also, at peak, within the top 75 most played games on Steam, with more players than PAYDAY 2. You can't have one of the most played games and expect it to stay a secret?
@@tenshiinen Valve has done similar playtests with games that never made it to release and there are no news stories about them.
Its also Valves right to ban them, which they did. Pretty open and shut case of "Fuck around and find out."
@@ZenLoveX Exactly. The Verge did what a journalism outlet is supposed to do, and Valve did what they were allowed to do. End of story, bish, bash, bosh.
I don't think corpos should have the power to stop people from speaking about what was experienced.
Demands for silence are never made for a human benifit. Always a monitary one.
2:01 Official Lee
2:39 Public Lee
3:04 Hilarious Lee
4:06 Honest Lee
10:27 Frank Lee
12:10 Honest Lee
14:07 Time Lee
17:23 Alleged Lee
Omg, thank you! LoL that joke stealthed its way right past me. ^_^
Thank you, kind lee
This is Absurd Lee funny :3
Same! @@tarrker
I love these so much!
“Journalism is printing something that someone does not want printed. Everything else is public relations.”
― George Orwell
The Verge will never get access to a Valve game again.
They're really gonna regret this in 40 years when the next one comes out.
They haven't been rejected access to Valve in any form or capacity. They have already received several answers for report on other matters.
Verge did their job. People stanning for video game companies is hilarious.
I guess the government should just be able to put up a sign that says "We really don't want you looking inside this room please kthxbye" and if the spies DO look inside that room it means they're acting unethically.
It's not like the game involved here is innovative, new or even interesting.
It's literally just Super Monday Night Combat but with DOTA item progression and Shadowrun-But-1920s at style.
I mean, I'm just happy to have a facsimile of SMNC, that thing died before it it deserved to, but yeah, it's a shooter that's catering to the horrible, awful, sweaty and toxic DOTA crowd. That might be too much poison to swallow for this one.
There's been new teasings for HL3 in game files and so on, and I have a theory. I think Valve is both dangling a HL3 carrot and drumming up nonsense controversy over this generic slopfest, because their latest product is a stinker. They obviously knew someone was going to leak it, people still cream their jeans over the HL2 beta leaks twenty years later. The HL3 rumours will die off, they just want Valve hype fresh in people's minds. They've basically been radio silent for years since HL:A unless you play one of their virtual operant conditioning chambers thinly disguised as a video game.
@@bluegum6438 How can we even know if deadlock is a stinker when it's only in a limited alpha? Seems kinda premature to judge
"But... but they HURT Good Guy Gabe!"
I get the feeling that Valve will be fine.
Valve ain't good guys. They pulled out of Australia with their hardware sales after the refunds thing. They went out of their way to prevent Australians from buying Steamdecks, and we can't get replacements for their VR hardware which, while not illegal, does mean they're all essentially on borrowed time because that kind of hardware breaks often and quickly enough that you need to be able to replace it.
People need to remember Valve is still a company. So they're still inherently amoral.
God, we’re never getting that Thank Goodness You’re Here video aren’t we
Thank Goodness It's Not Here?
Sterling doesn't do game reviews anymore it seems like unfortunately. What a shame.
They did do a review of it on their website and they were very favorable
@@deathsyth8888 They still do written reviews on the jimquisition website.
????
Expecting a journalist to not report on something is like expecting Blizzard to respect their employees, it just doesn't happen
I recall reading somewhere that Gabe Newell's own take on Valve as a company was something like, "We're not selling ourselves on the stock market. It's a deliberate choice we made. We'd probably rather shut down than do that." As far as I know, he still believes and enforces that beautiful ideal, the simple, overwhelming power of saying _no_ to rich asswipes so that life on this planet can be a little better for ourselves and others. I sincerely hope that he's managed to pass this wisdom along to those who will some day take up the reins.
If they're acting as PR for the industry, they're not journalists.
Oh no! A game journalist did his job. The horror!
Just goes to show how nobody has the first clue about what journalism is supposed to be. It's NEVER supposed to be PR.
As someone who contracted at Microsoft and Nintendo, there's nothing good going on at either. The lot of us who talk post working there have what we've dubbed as work ptsd.
The hero worship of Valve by gamers is one of the embarassing things they do. I almost said "most embarassing" but I can't say that in good conscience under a video that references "ethics in games journalism." God gamers suck so bad...
At times, it's almost made me want to go back to consoles even though I hate 30 fps gaming lol.
Every time we hear from people defending multi million dollar companies I just want to cry. Like a hostage complaining to the kidnappers about the police
I'd say it's more like Stockholm Syndrome, where the hostage defends the kidnappers to the police and everyone else.
Or defending the thief for stealing all their money, because they have to make money somehow, right?
@kenpatchiramasama1076 I really dunno why Valve is so blantantly defended by both right wingers AND left wingers. The latter, honestly, makes me sad, we shouldn't be defending a multi-million corp. no matter how "good" they are...
Nearly stockholm syndrome at this point
nah. i just didnt want to play the game of "what fucking launcher was that game on again?"
@@raven.4815 Whether Valve is even a "good" company is a matter of subjectivity. But yes, it is Twilight Zone when the one issue that unites both left and right is simping for Valve lmao.
"I never LOVED you, I LOVED your money!" - Charlene, Scooby-Doo and the Monster of Mexico
I don't understand these people defending corporations, a journalist got a chance to publish something first and they took it, it's normal.
Honestly I had enough faith in valve’s competence to assume they submitted an nda correctly.
All I can say is, I’m glad I didn’t say anything on this topic anywhere. Yay for not talking about stuff you’re not personally familiar with!
@@TheSweetSpirit Valve? Competent? Please review Steph's coverage of Valve over the past decade.
@@lunasophia9002 I don’t remember steph covering valve much over the decade, at least not nearly as much as other companies. No news is good news when the almost only reported news is bad news.
Btw not saying steph shouldn’t cover primarily bad news and stuff, it’s just a fact that it’s what is covered the most by a lot. Doesn’t help there isn’t much good to report on either
@@TheSweetSpirit Most of their coverage focused on Greenlight and the like, and I don't just mean the games thereon.
Especially considering Valve helped popularize so many of the bad practices in the AAA gaming industry, like online-only DRM for single-player games (HL2), loot boxes, battle passes, play-to-earn, GAMBLING, etc.
I need a full version of "Born Howard," plz.
A double episode? For free? No video game corporation would ever be so magnanimous. Thank God for James Stephanie Sterling.
Thing Microsoft have done right the last 10 years: Age of Empires 2, it's great.
Thing Microsoft have done wrong the last 10 years: Everything else.
Age of Empires 2 came out in 1999...
@@kevadu And 2013, and 2019.
BTW, are you secretly Bobby Kotick? Because not knowing this is the kind of incompetence I expect from him.
@@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm Not everyone keeps track of re-releases of late 90's RTS games so maybe like chill.
@@OrilliousTyr You're in for a surprise.
Microsoft Paint has got steadily better over the last 10 years IF you experience time passing in reverse
Living in a world effectively ruled by corporations and their interests really does feel like living in ancient greece. "Sure would be nice if Zeus didn’t kill our entire town for some reason. Guess we should just. Hope that doesn't happen!"
1:41 As a Californian I find this especially funny because jaywalking is legal here. Unless it's not safe to cross anyway but jaywalking was never really enforced anywhere I lived to begin with and the ER isn't exactly going to tattle because of doctor patient confidentiality now is it?
"Premeditated jaywalking" is a bit of an in-joke to one of my friends. We often joked about crimes like "aggravated loitering" and "indecent tax evasion".
"“Whatever a patron desires to get published is advertising; whatever he wants to keep out of the paper is news,” "
"...give JD Vance the keys to a Pier 1 Imports after closing..."
Pier 1 primarily sold wicker furniture.
_Ow._
I'm going to be honest, I'm not getting the joke
@@unnamedenemy9 The meme is that he had intercourse with a couch.
@@unnamedenemy9 There's a meme going around stemming from a fake passage of JD Vance's autobiography that got spread on Twitter where it described him f*cking a couch. It was made because apparently JD Vance is a little weirdo and his book has weird, clumsy, what-the-hell passages in it so that sounds like something that could have easily been in the real book. A lot of people got tickled by the passage and "J.D. Vance fucked a couch." has been a runaway meme for several weeks.
It is worth clearing up that, so far as we know, he has not ever actually f*cked a couch, so on one hand I don't like how much this misinformation has spread, however I also really don't like Donald Trump or his weird Vice President, so I am enjoying that their campaign has been associated with a meme about his VP f*cking a couch for the past several weeks, which I assume can't be good PR for a guy trying to become President again.
@@unnamedenemy9 There's a bit of a rumor that Vance had 'intimate relations' with a couch.
@@unnamedenemy9 JD Vance fucked a couch without its consent.
Anything that legitimately beats the big corporates terms I’m all for it. The verge pulled a chad move here by pressing escape
A thing about gearbox and bl2 leaks. If I remember correctly they leaked the tiny tina dlc themselves by tweeting a picture from their office with a banner for the dlc in the background
It so funny seeing this notification a couple minutes after I looked at the latest vids to make sure I didn’t miss the new vid.
7:28 Most journalism is run by corporations. Verge and Eurogamer are not exceptions and the unfairly killed off Kotaku (which is technically still alive but may as well be dead with a shift in focus to game guides instead of Gawker's bread and butter of yellow journalism) wasn't an exception either. And because they are run by corporations, the epitome of capitalism and everything that can go wrong with capitalism (but doesn't necessarily _have_ go wrong to if proper regulation existed in capitalism), they exist solely to gain capital.
If people don't even remotely follow your TOS, "Please don't post" is probably not on the menu
I got an invite for deadlock from one of my random steam friends. I then proceeded to just give invites to nearly all of my steam friends.
Even gave invites to some recently acquired friends from discord who only befriended me on steam a day ago. And they also got invites.
If Valve wanted the game to be an exclusive club maybe they could have made invites not be a literal 2 clicks whit no confirmations whatsoever.
A single click for all additional ones once you send the first one.
So... Valve failed to do any sort of control to keep access to the game from spreading to journalists, AND couldn't even code a terms agreement screen correctly, but instead of talking about Valve fucking up everyone is mad at game journalists reporting on a game. Pathetic!
the worst part about this doom thing is the 2019 port explicitly worked WITH the community to add in a bunch of wads as official free DLC -- they only had 20 on there because they were asking EVERYONE INVOLVED for permission, which is why some of the absolute classics like alien vendetta never got added; the mappers and artists involved have since disappeared or in some cases DIED and id wanted to respect their moral rights to their own work in the face of it being impossible to ask them all personally for permission.
now this new port comes out and people can upload whatever the fuck they want regardless of if they have permission or if it even WORKS and it's entirely broken the community's trust
MS acquiring Valve is the kind of nightmare scenario that wakes you cold sweats and screaming
As someone who is interested in releasing Doom mods and mapsets, the whole "Bethesda indirectly enabling content-theft" thing _really_ pisses me off, especially since the new Doom rerelease is _kinda_ better than the 2019 ones (in that it has non-local multiplayer, which makes playing with friends a _lot_ easier without having to deal with GZDoom's convoluted multiplayer setup process).
Same here. I was very excited for a more user friendly sourceport being publicly announced by the company that actually owns the franchise. Suddenly my years as a "Doom Guru" were going to actually pay off. I started digging up old thumb drives and resurrecting whatever data from the 90's that I could find... Yeah.
Do I even need to say the rest? By the time I had anything worth sharing with the community, the mod sector had already devolved into pure chaos. x_x
You dont use GZDoom for MP. You use Zandronum for Doom-MP :)
@@harzzachseniorgamer5516 I know, but I already have GZDoom installed anyway (for map-making and modding purposes). Again though, the new Doom rerelease has Steam multiplayer which is better for my purposes (2-player co-op with my brother).
Nightdive's new release is a straight improvement over the 2019 'enhanced' editions in that it has everything they had, plus more, with slight performance improvements. Nightdive did their job, Zenimax didn't do theirs.
@@BladedEdge Oh yeah, shout-out to Nightdive of course! Their stuff is really good (the System Shock remake is amazing, Powerslave: Exhumed is pretty fun (even though I kinda wish it came with the Build Engine-based PC version as, like, a bonus or whatever), and I'm super hyped for their upcoming Killing Time remaster); I have no problems with their involvement in Doom 1+2 (especially since, according to The Cutting Room Floor, all the Id Vault sprites and textures are just like. There in the remaster's files, separated from the backgrounds (alongside the original sprite-sheets actually used in the archive), complete with appropriately-formatted filenames, Which is neat!).
Like literally the only issues I have with Doom 1+2 are the mod browser content-theft BS and I guess also the lack of vertical look (and the latter isn't even that much of a dealbreaker since it's more accurate to the '90s Doom experience, which I was born like 9 years too late to experience, plus there isn't much to see on the ceiling in the original Doom mapsets), also possibly something to do with the new version of the engine having a different license or something, but I've only heard like one person say that so. Grain of salt.
6:56 - yeah, see, I love onions and apparently biting into an onion like an apple is supposed to be this outrageously disgusting things apparently, but I never saw the issue with it… you know, other than getting the onion smell out of you mouth and avoiding talking to people face-to-face for a while afterwards.
NGL, eating an onion like an apple is pretty hardcore
My grandfather used to talk about eating onions that way, right out of a field. In a very Abe Simpson diatribe manner.
I used to love doing it! Still love the taste, but it turns out most onions give me heartburn when I maw 'em raw.
Yeah, sprinkling NDAs all over the place to excuse your incompetence is not the kind of crutch they seem to think it is.
Oh no the verge gave Valve free advertising.
Honestly I'm a bit scared about what is going to happen to the video games industry when Newell eventually dies and Valve almost inevitably finds itself, if not up for sale, then opened up to be publicly traded.
You know, I was half expecting Stephanie to comment on the situation with Second Wind, given that some of the accusations laid at Nick Calandra echo a lot of issues with mismanagement throughout the gaming industry, but then again, maybe it's just better not to get involved with any of that.
thing is a lot of the staff at Second Wind pushed back against what Nick claimed so it's very much a "He said she said" scenario so I don't really see any value in doing a JQ on something like that.
News can be fast or accurate, but not fast and accurate. If Steph wants to accurately portray the situation, they have to wait until they have more to go on then "A made these claims, B said nuh-uh"
Huh... Never really thought of a world where Microsoft owns Valve.
Stuff of actual nightmares right there.
Not for me, if it means less garbage on the Steam store like AIDS Simulator I can't help but see that as a net positive.
People will finally see Valve for what it really is a "Corporation that just want your money"
Verge did the right thing. As you said, games journalism needs to do its work, and Valve's lax entry policy on Deadlock means that its a secret that everybody knows about.
That said, I've really been enjoying Deadlock. Super fun game, but then again I've played Dota 2 for 10+ years, so I'm likely biased.
I do think the ship sailed on curating and properly crediting doom mods around.... 30 years ago. The moment anyone made a wad available via a link on their BBS of choice, it was re-hosted in fifty places around the internet and available on half a dozen disc collections at car boot sales within a week.
That said, yes, this browser is extremely half arsed. Though I am not sure what more Nightdive could do given their remit to "make mods work on console". Finding and installing them on PC was always hit and miss like this. You had to sift through a mountain of random trash to find the real gems, and you never really knew where half of them came from. They weren't going to let users just manually download the files from any old source via their browser like we all do on PC, so then you're left with the standard issues of moderation at scale when it comes to allowing uploads from users.
@@sunyavadin I mean, there already was a process to get WADs to be officially distributed via the Unity ports. They could've expanded that maybe or change how they were picking mods/accepting mods.
This is just too lassez-faire.
6:51 I've been watching your content long enough to hear that sentence and my brain process it as Bill Trinen saying "Heres an onion that looks like an apple"
Gotta love the Ace Attorney soundtrack. Love those games!
People who expect ethical behavior from publicly traded corporations are like roulette players who constantly complain that the other players aren't roleplaying as hobbits.
Games Journalism uses the term "Leak" to get eyeballs ALL THE TIME. Meanwhile, an actual games journalist does a games journalism and leaks a game, and everybody is pearl clutching?
As I commented on articles, reddit threads, etc for so damn long that I eventually just gave up: "A OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE by a developer is not a "leak."" It's a press release. Just because the press statement only went to ONE journalist instead of the entire world does not make "Official interview with game director" any more "leaky" than a trailer and gameplay video hosted by the Video Game Advertisements.
Also, the idea that Valve, might shut out "The Verge" on future news is REALLY, REALLY funny when you consider that this is Valve's first video game that wasn't trying to sell you a VR set in over a decade.
One of the main points I took from this is that while people go to bat for corporations that don’t care for them and people actively try to degrade genuine journalism, those same corporations actively steal from people even when they owe the persistence of a product solely to the people.
Is valve a corporation or just a company? Afaik they own themselves, no investors to cock things up by forcing bad short term business decisions.
Was NOT expecting Hammerman.
Simple case of both sides are right. It is the verges right to ignore valves plea to not cover the game but ut is also valves right to revoke the access of people that do not abide it. Dont see a problem for either side
You could have rested on your laurels knowing you had the second script ready. But you didn't, giving us a Doublequisition. I respect that.
I think the outrage revolves around the apparent misinformation that the verge had signed a NDA. That’s what so many TH-camrs are reporting. It’s a shame people didn’t read into the topic enough before reporting. I unfortunately fell for the misinformation, but also thankfully I didn’t say anything about it besides telling my BF I thought the verge was stupid, thinking a NDA was involved.
But it wasn’t so lmao oh well
With borderlands 2 there was something that happened that as far as i know never got reported, One of the Pay DLC accidently contained the next DLC as well months before release, Though i suspect it was not reported as to unlock it you needed to pirate the dlc
The bit where you made JD Vance look like Charlie Kirk with a beard was Art
1:12 Oh goody you brought that back!
Microsoft buying Valve *would* be the end of the games' industry
But Steph, what about *the sweet taste of the corporate boot?!* How will my fellow gamers (TM) know what company's product(s) I like if I don't defend everything they do and attack their critics for everything, no matter how valid? 🤣
When I was a kid, I read the Mr. T auto-biography ("Mr. T: The Man With The Gold") for a school project. He talks about the "America's Toughest Bouncer" competition, in which his participation helped land him a role in Rocky III. One of the things he did to mentally prepare for this competition was to eat a raw onion
My annoyance is that Valve tried to be better by not having an NDA. I think most of us agree that NDAs have been pretty massively abused. I like to see companies rewarded when they act better so we get more of that behavior. I know he didn't do anything technically wrong and the harm is not very much but at some level I feel like this kind of stuff is why we can't have nice things. Lots of stuff in our society that we used to have has been removed or made more difficult to access because some people feel the need to abuse trust.
Like what?
I understand corporations feeling the way they do, but the sheer number of people, including commentators, who also clearly feel journalists should just be free PR is actually distressing.
No one would give a single shit about what The Verge did if it was to a company like EA or Ubisoft. Gamers don't want real journalism, they want sycophants for the games and companies that they like.
One of my favorite legal analysis channels always brings up how anytime a business or bank has a clerical error that benefits them, they dont say anything about it, but if it messes with their income, its now YOUR responsibility to fix it
Thank god for Steph, actually being truly pro-consumer
Or when casinos refuse to pay a huge payout from a machine, saying it was a glitch. And getting away with it.
Gamers: Its about ethics in games journalism!
Also gamers: How dare you not comply with every single whim of a games publisher!
Bruce Lee's smirking grin continues to bring me unexpected joy in all his surprising incarnations. 😊
And thumbs up for Invader Zim cameo!
Given how the game looks, they maybe did him a favor by banning him from playing anymore of it. 😅
And this type of comment is exactly why Valve don’t want what is clearly a unfinished game, with placeholder art and animations shown to a mass audience, especially when that mass audience doesn’t understand game development. Hell, some of them seem to actively hate the actual process of game development.
There’s no reason to believe the game will release looking like it does, not from a AAA game developer like Valve, when it comes to art and animations HL2, Portal, TF2, L4D all look great almost 20 years since their initial release date to say nothing of their game design and yet idiots are talking about the game like it’s going to release looking like it does now.
TLDR when the audience is too stupid to understand the difference between an in-development game versus a finished game I understand why Valve would try to limit the amount of footage from their early playtest, regardless of how many people are playing it.
"Honorable" journalism doesn't make changes. The truth is all that matters
Honest Lee gets me every time
4:10 Kotaku is doing just fine?? You sure about that?!
Exactly, Kotaku are dead in the water
*Video starts* "penguin pipi sneeze"
................Good.....Good
That onion move was vicious. You are a beast Steph 😂
Hello Jim Sterling
Brachiosaurus, but only because I was a boring kid who stopped learning more about dinosaurs after I found one I liked.
as far as "How is Deadlock" I booted it up and played around with it. It's third person league of legends/DOTA2. Lanes, champions, towers, minions, nexus, neutral monsters. I hate competitive shooters so it's a hard pass for me. I'm sure fans of Smite or Apex Legends or Overwatch or any of the hundred other similar games might enjoy it but I could not care less.
The blind acceptance of the state of access journalism by some people really speaks to how poorly we are educating them. A journalist breaking a story that someone doesn't want out is one of the reasons for journalism, even though this is a total nothingburger.
Penguin bars! God I miss them!
I'm amazed games journalists never covered what Valve did in response to the whole Steam refunds thing. Did you know they punitively pulled out of Australia with their hardware sales? They went out of their way to make it impossible to buy Steamdecks in Australia. There are ways Australians can get things from America that Valve have deliberately prevented. It's absolutely on purpose. They also stopped selling VR hardware here, so its increasingly difficult to get replacement parts for it, which is a real bummer, as VR hardware is inherently quite fragile and breaks down quickly.
Thank you for not saying "DOOM on a pregnancy test".
Doom on a hacker convention badge
Doom on a smart washing machine
This reminds me of a funny story. When Wayne Rogers left MASH (he was dissatisfied with his role in the show, he'd hoped to co-lead, but was really more of a second banana to Alan Alda), he revealed that he'd actually never signed his contract, due to concerns over some of the clauses, and none of the producers ever noticed. So he was able to walk whenever he felt like it. And he did (though, like a lot of actors who leave a show due to their ego, his career ended up not going anywhere).
I remember something Steph once said about games companies revoking access for not towing the line on what they want reported. I can't remember the actual quote but it was something to the effect of "if your outlet requires access to survive, your outlet doesn't deserve to survive" or something like that.
Yeah, but we run into a problem there: Eyeballs will go to whoever breaks the story first. That means getting access is vital to survival.
If gamers were patient and waited until games were announced "normally", we wouldn't have this issue. But gamers are not patient.
Being able to cope just fine with onions is a genetic mutation you get in some parts of England, it might be linked to being able to taste liquorice and coriander without a soapy aftertaste as well.
corporations fucking suck
always have
If I had to guess, Valve isn't even really opposed to some coverage of the game. It seems more to me like the pinky promise is there to stop a massive rush of influencers putting the game front and center before they feel it's ready to be shown off. Of course they'll still ban anyone caught in the act though, because otherwise no one will take the warning seriously.
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Bot alert, can't believe so many fell for it
Whoever chose Dan Aykroyd’s character, Judge J.P. Valkenheiser, from the hit 1991 comedy Nothing But Trouble, staring Brian Doyle-Murray and Tupac Shakur, as one of the accusatory talking heads, deserves a kiss on the mouth, from me, right now.
I'll... take a rain check on that, but thanks! 💜🐼
That movie is so fucking weird and its great
Last I checked, The Verge is also part of a Corp. They are not your friends either.