Great video, as a Christian, this is absolutely accurate. As much as I would love America to had begun as a Christian nation, to completely miss the obvious issues of the country and to especially overlook slavery. You just can’t live in a fantasy world thinking your country is the “chosen” one. It’s a dangerous road and leads you to become radicalized.
Eric Rossoni satan and his demons come to destroy this country. You see it in the beginning and present. Donald trump was put in office because this county needs to come Back to god or not the u.s will be judged. And might be destroyed. We need To pray and fast. Because we do not fight flesh but spirit warfare against demons and principalities. No one is over looking slavery demons live in people and they do bad thing.
@op easy I understand where your coming from but Trump, is actually the worst thing that could ever happen for this country, especially for Christians. Christians should not support trump at all. Supporting trump is destroying this country and Christians will forever lose trust, and their place in culture. I completely disagree with you but I understand where your coming from because I use to think the same way as you did years ago.
@Guy Fawkes-Day It’s been a long journey but it’s unfortunate these were lies we were told from our pastors who were poorly educated about the Bible and American history. We were told this nation was founded and created by God that the founding fathers were Christians, and that is not true at all. But it doesn’t make Christianity false just a reframe of what Christianity should actually look like. Because you would think Christians would want separation of church and state especially since that’s in the constitution and how the Catholic Church split with Martin Luther. That the church and state was once government. So Christians fighting to put religion back into government will not only fail, but will create another church split and they don’t even realize it. Church and state must be separate. In fact that is what Jesus showed. He never went to Rome and rioted and protested for laws to change. The Pharisees wanted Jesus to do that but because he wouldn’t, it is why they rejected him and did not accept him as the messiah. Anyways I have come a long way from being on the religious right for a very long time till recently.
Happy Independence Day, and please remember to cherish Our Constitution and Our Declaration of Independence. Before listening to the video, I can tell you that I've heard much discussion on the topic. I don't attend church or consider myself a "believer in the Christian faith any more. I value the writings of our Founders that secure this freedom to all Americans- it should never be compromised.
@@victoriagates7960 no, the founding fathers were deists, but not truly Christian's if you read their manuscripts & study history--as many were Free Masons. America has always had a large Christian population, and it is the influence of the wider population which jas guided the society. Now, this population is in decline (as a percentage). There are more Asians from Non-Christian countries, as well as Whites that are not Christian in America today. So the guiding rubric is shifting.
“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” ~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by John Adams Without Separation of Church and State we won't have Separation of Mosque, Scientology and Hindu Temple and State.
The founders were Freemasons, which is also deistic in principle. Also, don't forget Franklin was also a member of the Hellfire Club as well, a cult that engaged in various occultic, ritualistic activities. No surprise that he denied the deity of Jesus.
creoleman There were 56 singers of the Declaration. But you look to just 1. Truth is 99% of the citizenry and the founders were Christians who founded a nation where Christians could freely worship God, and not be imposed by any church. That is Christian liberty.
"it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." -John Jay Quotes like that do make you wonder.
@John Morehead Makes you wonder if these scholars have reached the most balanced and correct conclusion, quite obviously. What we've watched here is a 20-minute video. I'm sure there's a lot more to say on the subject and other perspectives to consider.
In the end, Prof Mark Knoll sounded like my Grandmother and my mother and every other wise believer I have known. The emphasis was on respect for the other person who is also created in the image of God and balance. So, after all the high sounding academic posturing about nuance and balance, did they really add to history something profoundly different? I think they missed the real motivational fuel that gave rise in the last decades to this Christian history industry. . It was the rise of a strong secular humanistic movement that had finally found its public voice, authority, committed media platforms and was trying to write religion out of our history as instrumental and essential to understanding our identity and thought development. Obviously, this was not necessary back in the 19th and early 20th century when public schools taught Bible. What we have seen in the last few decades was push back against militant secularism that has been advancing "freedom from religion" and unbalanced views of "separation of church and state". Now, I agree it may be a matter of over compensating which can be charged, but that development was not without historical causal affects as well. The humanist manifesto and other authorities today call evangelicalism child abuse and prayer dangerous. So, I think Christian historians, who are indeed evangelical, have tried to drive a stake in the ground for protection. Perhaps, as my grandmother and the professors said, it is time to begin a more respectful, inclusive conversation. I do agree that the onus is on Christians to be the initiators BECAUSE of our divine mandate from the holy scriptures as one of the professors rightly mentioned "reconciliation" as central to the Christian calling. I do fully agree that all the ugly needs to be fully analyzed in context and without employing the moral superiority of today upon th historical past. That is an unnecessarily inflammatory tactic which is also mistaken. If I were living then, I would not have "dropped the bomb" or had slaves or I would have been an activist fighting for native American rights. These are truly nonhistorical statements and attitudes. The fact is that today there are militant secular forces that would deny rights, jobs, and freedoms to people of faith. So, we cannot say that we live in a morally superior climate. It is always simply the ruling power elite in any age who think they have the right to marginalize the "different ones" who are an impediment to progress. The white Europeans did it to the native Americans. The Greeks did it to their known world. The Romans did it. It is one cultural considering itself superior over another and morality plays out differently in the real historical context for those living it. Today, the progressives would silence evangelical Christian churches on any number of topics because they (progressives) consider themselves a morally superior cultural development with a mandate. Christians can practice their religion on the reservation (in thier homes in private if they had their way). How is that different from from the actions of the superior culture of any time? Please answer that Prof. Noll and Marsden. The answer to that informs what we must do to really practice real diversity.
"I am a real Christian - that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ." Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Ellery Bergh, editor (Washington, D.C.: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904), Vol. XIV, p. 385, to Charles Thomson on January 9, 1816. See this is called research... maybe these guys should do some of it... Not saying Jefferson did not have some off the wall thinking about how to interpret Scripture and his views were not in the norm as compared to others, but to call him a deist is not well studied. He did respect Epicureanism which values pleasure and questions why there is evil when there is a god? However to say that all Christians must be correct in all matters is a fallacy. I do not know if Jefferson was a Christian or not, he absolutely believed in the teachings of Jesus Christ and promoted those teachings whenever addressed. Of course to promote one man over the 100's of others we could reference that were zealous in the beliefs of Christianity is not wise but deceiving.
The founding documents, letters from the time and many public documents make these two Liars. Forget these if you want the truth, they lie outright. Many, many writings will show you the truth. Take the time it is well worth it. These guys turn my stomach.
I cant see them comparing the USA as another Israel .. there is the nation of Israel and then Spiritual Israel, and this is very clearly taught in the NT, and I will add that the USA is clearly the 2nd Beast of Rev 13, the nation that rises up in a sparsely populated land, with 2 horns that spoke as a lamb.. a lamb is symbolism for Christ.... Horns represent kings and kingdoms or governments (Daniel 7:24; 8:21). In this case, they represent the United States’ two governing principles: civil and religious liberty. These two principles have also been labeled “republicanism” (a government without a king) and “Protestantism” (a church without a pope). Other nations since ancient times had taxed people to support a state religion. Most had also oppressed religious dissidents. But the United States established something entirely new: freedom to worship without government interference. Absence of crowns signifies a republican form of government, rather than a monarchy. Lamb-like horns denote an innocent, young, non-oppressive, peace-loving, and spiritual nation. (Jesus is referred to as a lamb 28 times in Revelation.)... But sadly, later this lamb speaks like a Dragon... meaning the USA will start to speak.. a government speaks through its laws.. and it will start to pass laws that speak as a Dragon.. Dragon is symbolism for Satan. and it will make an Image unto the beast... the USA is the 2nd Beast of Rev 13, but the 1st Beast is Papal Rome...So the USA becomes a persecuting power as Papal Rome was and will again become.
These men are flat wrong. Explicitly Christian views and values. Explicit worship and prayer in the founders lives and public comments- and even in the congress meetings. Some were deists, but all honored the Christian God and values- and most of them were explicit trinitarian Christians. They not only set up a Christian culture but a Christian government, to explicitly honor the Christian God.
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Great video, as a Christian, this is absolutely accurate. As much as I would love America to had begun as a Christian nation, to completely miss the obvious issues of the country and to especially overlook slavery. You just can’t live in a fantasy world thinking your country is the “chosen” one. It’s a dangerous road and leads you to become radicalized.
Eric Rossoni satan and his demons come to destroy this country.
You see it in the beginning and present. Donald trump was put in office because this county needs to come
Back to god or not the u.s will be judged. And might be destroyed. We need To pray and fast. Because we do not fight flesh but spirit warfare against demons and principalities. No one is over looking slavery demons live in people and they do bad thing.
Guy Fawkes-Day I don’t demons are real
@op easy
I understand where your coming from but Trump, is actually the worst thing that could ever happen for this country, especially for Christians. Christians should not support trump at all. Supporting trump is destroying this country and Christians will forever lose trust, and their place in culture. I completely disagree with you but I understand where your coming from because I use to think the same way as you did years ago.
@Guy Fawkes-Day
It’s been a long journey but it’s unfortunate these were lies we were told from our pastors who were poorly educated about the Bible and American history. We were told this nation was founded and created by God that the founding fathers were Christians, and that is not true at all. But it doesn’t make Christianity false just a reframe of what Christianity should actually look like. Because you would think Christians would want separation of church and state especially since that’s in the constitution and how the Catholic Church split with Martin Luther. That the church and state was once government. So Christians fighting to put religion back into government will not only fail, but will create another church split and they don’t even realize it. Church and state must be separate. In fact that is what Jesus showed. He never went to Rome and rioted and protested for laws to change. The Pharisees wanted Jesus to do that but because he wouldn’t, it is why they rejected him and did not accept him as the messiah. Anyways I have come a long way from being on the religious right for a very long time till recently.
@Guy Fawkes-Day
Curious, are you religious or Christian?
Happy Independence Day, and please remember to cherish Our Constitution and Our Declaration of Independence. Before listening to the video, I can tell you that I've heard much discussion on the topic. I don't attend church or consider myself a "believer in the Christian faith any more. I value the writings of our Founders that secure this freedom to all Americans- it should never be compromised.
💕 The entire founding documents are based on the Bible.
@@victoriagates7960 no, the founding fathers were deists, but not truly Christian's if you read their manuscripts & study history--as many were Free Masons. America has always had a large Christian population, and it is the influence of the wider population which jas guided the society. Now, this population is in decline (as a percentage). There are more Asians from Non-Christian countries, as well as Whites that are not Christian in America today. So the guiding rubric is shifting.
A seemingly accurate, balanced and scholarly approach.
Let these guys debate David Barton
“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” ~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by John Adams
Without Separation of Church and State we won't have Separation of Mosque, Scientology and Hindu Temple and State.
The most powerful nation to have ever existed on the planet, Christian America. God Bless!
What is power?
Sippin Scotch You friggin cretin. Equating christianity with power. You're disgusting.
“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” ~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by John Adams
The founders were Freemasons, which is also deistic in principle. Also, don't forget Franklin was also a member of the Hellfire Club as well, a cult that engaged in various occultic, ritualistic activities. No surprise that he denied the deity of Jesus.
creoleman There were 56 singers of the Declaration. But you look to just 1. Truth is 99% of the citizenry and the founders were Christians who founded a nation where Christians could freely worship God, and not be imposed by any church. That is Christian liberty.
"it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our
Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." -John Jay
Quotes like that do make you wonder.
Wonder about what? These historians make a good case that America was not founded as a Christian nation.
@John Morehead Makes you wonder if these scholars have reached the most balanced and correct conclusion, quite obviously. What we've watched here is a 20-minute video. I'm sure there's a lot more to say on the subject and other perspectives to consider.
articulate, "spin doctor's!" erector set type evidence, "build" (this way).
"there are some things lost but isn't that the goal?"
In the end, Prof Mark Knoll sounded like my Grandmother and my mother and every other wise believer I have known. The emphasis was on respect for the other person who is also created in the image of God and balance. So, after all the high sounding academic posturing about nuance and balance, did they really add to history something profoundly different? I think they missed the real motivational fuel that gave rise in the last decades to this Christian history industry. . It was the rise of a strong secular humanistic movement that had finally found its public voice, authority, committed media platforms and was trying to write religion out of our history as instrumental and essential to understanding our identity and thought development. Obviously, this was not necessary back in the 19th and early 20th century when public schools taught Bible. What we have seen in the last few decades was push back against militant secularism that has been advancing "freedom from religion" and unbalanced views of "separation of church and state". Now, I agree it may be a matter of over compensating which can be charged, but that development was not without historical causal affects as well. The humanist manifesto and other authorities today call evangelicalism child abuse and prayer dangerous. So, I think Christian historians, who are indeed evangelical, have tried to drive a stake in the ground for protection. Perhaps, as my grandmother and the professors said, it is time to begin a more respectful, inclusive conversation. I do agree that the onus is on Christians to be the initiators BECAUSE of our divine mandate from the holy scriptures as one of the professors rightly mentioned "reconciliation" as central to the Christian calling. I do fully agree that all the ugly needs to be fully analyzed in context and without employing the moral superiority of today upon th historical past. That is an unnecessarily inflammatory tactic which is also mistaken. If I were living then, I would not have "dropped the bomb" or had slaves or I would have been an activist fighting for native American rights. These are truly nonhistorical statements and attitudes. The fact is that today there are militant secular forces that would deny rights, jobs, and freedoms to people of faith. So, we cannot say that we live in a morally superior climate. It is always simply the ruling power elite in any age who think they have the right to marginalize the "different ones" who are an impediment to progress. The white Europeans did it to the native Americans. The Greeks did it to their known world. The Romans did it. It is one cultural considering itself superior over another and morality plays out differently in the real historical context for those living it.
Today, the progressives would silence evangelical Christian churches on any number of topics because they (progressives) consider themselves a morally superior cultural development with a mandate. Christians can practice their religion on the reservation (in thier homes in private if they had their way). How is that different from from the actions of the superior culture of any time? Please answer that Prof. Noll and Marsden. The answer to that informs what we must do to really practice real diversity.
"I am a real Christian - that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Ellery Bergh, editor (Washington, D.C.: The Thomas Jefferson Memorial Association, 1904), Vol. XIV, p. 385, to Charles Thomson on January 9, 1816.
See this is called research... maybe these guys should do some of it... Not saying Jefferson did not have some off the wall thinking about how to interpret Scripture and his views were not in the norm as compared to others, but to call him a deist is not well studied. He did respect Epicureanism which values pleasure and questions why there is evil when there is a god? However to say that all Christians must be correct in all matters is a fallacy. I do not know if Jefferson was a Christian or not, he absolutely believed in the teachings of Jesus Christ and promoted those teachings whenever addressed. Of course to promote one man over the 100's of others we could reference that were zealous in the beliefs of Christianity is not wise but deceiving.
The founding documents, letters from the time and many public documents make these two Liars. Forget these if you want the truth, they lie outright. Many, many writings will show you the truth. Take the time it is well worth it. These guys turn my stomach.
I cant see them comparing the USA as another Israel .. there is the nation of Israel and then Spiritual Israel, and this is very clearly taught in the NT, and I will add that the USA is clearly the 2nd Beast of Rev 13, the nation that rises up in a sparsely populated land, with 2 horns that spoke as a lamb.. a lamb is symbolism for Christ.... Horns represent kings and kingdoms or governments (Daniel 7:24; 8:21). In this case, they represent the United States’ two governing principles: civil and religious liberty. These two principles have also been labeled “republicanism” (a government without a king) and “Protestantism” (a church without a pope). Other nations since ancient times had taxed people to support a state religion. Most had also oppressed religious dissidents. But the United States established something entirely new: freedom to worship without government interference. Absence of crowns signifies a republican form of government, rather than a monarchy. Lamb-like horns denote an innocent, young, non-oppressive, peace-loving, and spiritual nation. (Jesus is referred to as a lamb 28 times in Revelation.)... But sadly, later this lamb speaks like a Dragon... meaning the USA will start to speak.. a government speaks through its laws.. and it will start to pass laws that speak as a Dragon.. Dragon is symbolism for Satan. and it will make an Image unto the beast... the USA is the 2nd Beast of Rev 13, but the 1st Beast is Papal Rome...So the USA becomes a persecuting power as Papal Rome was and will again become.
These men are flat wrong. Explicitly Christian views and values. Explicit worship and prayer in the founders lives and public comments- and even in the congress meetings. Some were deists, but all honored the Christian God and values- and most of them were explicit trinitarian Christians. They not only set up a Christian culture but a Christian government, to explicitly honor the Christian God.