How did Talia Ray get off Scott free from all this? It’s pretty frustrating that she’s just living her life, probably still believing her dad’s lies, and not being held accountable at all.
I don't know why, but I guess it is not uncommon to exonerate co-accused belonging to the same family as the main accused. In other legislations for example, wives (or husbands) can easily get away with murders committed by their other halves if they have covered up for them. My point is that justice doesn't necessarily retain charge against family members who haven't spilled the beans right away. It is a way to recognize that family bounds can also induce a form of coercion that are difficult to escape. My two cents on that, I'm not a lawyer ;)
I watch a lot of cult documentaries and by far this one is the most disturbing to me. What he did to these kids that had their whole lives in front of them! It’s excruciating to watch someone go from a happy beautiful soul to a a zombi. It’s frightening and incredibly sad!
I recommend reading Joe Navarro’s book “Dangerous Personalities”. Useful if you want to help protect yourself and loved ones from getting into these situations, because anyone can get pulled into things like this.
Not anyone. It heavily leans towards those with anxious attachment and a lack of healthy boundaries. In other words, people who were abused, neglected, or ignored as children.
@phantos_says Just because those types of ppl are targeted does not mean "normal" ppl can't fall under these circumstances. I've seen it happen to ppl with perfectly happy childhoods. Psychological manipulation isn't just for the "vulnerable"
So many think they are "special ops." I just worked for someone who taught leadership and was obsessed with military although he'd NEVER served. I left ASAP. He literally was running a cult.
It is so hard for me to believe how can someone be manipulated, con, and controlled like that. It is just astonishing to me the things that I am hearing in this doc. How can people be so gullible and bully that easy. I just can not even imagine something like that happening to me even when I was really young. Is it bc Americans are just not street smart at all?
@@cecarblanco9933 I feel the same way, I'm American but the way ppl can be manipulated and how gullible majority of people in America are is just mind boggling
@@cecarblanco9933 people who have been abused and outcasted are often the ones who get roped in. He knew his victims were isolated and lacked a support system which was why he picked them. Some of them were very impressionable 18 to 19 year olds away from their parents for the first time. It happens.
@@wendylederer367 I was thinking about what Santos said. Something about her smiling at him first and how lucky he felt because usually pretty girls don't notice him. She dumped him soon after he got reeled in by her dad. I hope to god she didn't set him up
Both fascinating and horrific that people can be malleable to such a point. Psychiatrists said Lawrence was impossible to evaluate because he was too manipulative to undergo psychiatric examination
Can you imagine how psychotic you must be for a licensed professional can't evaluate you. This guy is a psychotic manipulative madman. I hope he is not enjoying his prison time and continuing his madness with other prisoners. Sorry, this guy should be in solitary confinement 24 hrs. a day. He could manipulate the guard, prisoners, and hopefully not the warden.
I implore you guys to listen to the Futoshi Matsunaga case there is a great TH-cam video on it, it’s such a crazy story. How that man was able to manipulate a whole family is unbelievable to me and the things that they did to each other was tragic and horrendous
I’ve seen every cult documentary there is and this guy takes the cake! There’s just something about this that’s so heartbreaking and tragic on another level!
Watched all 3 parts one after the next to see what happened! I can’t even describe how crazy and demented this story is. You have to watch to believe it. I feel so sorry for the students whose identity and lives were changed by this evil monster. May this psychopath rot in prison til his end.
I got to be honest I dont get it - yall want to make these people smart but there dumb adults that got caught up in the moment and this wouldnt be news if simply another college student did it and it wouldnt even be called a cult but a club. What fascinates me about the story is how simply changing the age of the main culprit completely changes how we look at messed up situations and culpability.
@@DeeWeber And I dont think you understand what I am saying - The face behind the manipulation decides how we interpret the same action. When a older person does it we interpret it this way. When a peer does it we interpret it a different way. when a younger person does it we interpret it different then both other options. Regardless same action and results but we shift the narrative and how we describe the victims and the culpability.
This is why people have a problem with much older men dating much younger women in their late teens and early twenties because we all realize that people who have more life experience can have their way with and influenc/control over very young minds.
This guy isn’t your typical person. He has a skill set that is dangerous and a track record of using it effectively. It’s not a common skill and has zero to do with age gaps. It’s clear you don’t understand who this man is or his profile.
@@morganssmashingpearls3329yes, however the power dynamic and deference to older people is a point of manipulation that teens and young adults may not be able to flag or resist.
Even though I went through the horror of war as a child and was very insecure and emotionally unstable, I never allowed people to take advantage of me or bully me. Somehow I always instinctively knew who wanted to use me or harm me (gangs, criminal & drug organizations, gurus, private self-help organizations, healers and even one non-profit non-governmental association). If something sounds too good and easy, it means that something is not right - Life is anything but easy.
Your last sentences!!! This is SUCH an important part of resisting cult recruitment, and many people don't realize this! Cult leaders use something called the "foot-in-the-door" phenomenon, where the demands they make start off very small and seemingly harmless. Then, little by little, the demands become more extreme until, the next thing you know, a normal person is committing themselves to behaviors they never imagined having. So as you said, it's important to question everything, never take information at its surface value. Think critically, ESPECIALLY if it's information you agree with or really want to believe. Confirmation bias is a quick tool cult leaders use, and even "the best of us" fall privy to confirmation bias. If anyone says they are forever invincible to cults, they're wrong. That's not meant to attack or criticize anybody, it's just a simple fact of being a human being. Ironically enough, believing you're immune to cult recruitment might actually make you more vulnerable because a cult leader will now lean into that information in ways you weren't anticipating. The psychology behind cult behavior is rich and SO fascinating!!!
I don't know how many more of these documentaries going to keep coming out that makes me think was I watching the news at all cuz now I'm starting to think I was in a bubble the whole time
Keep your heart with all vigilance, for from it flow the springs of life. My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever. Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.
What bothers me is how easily it was for Talia to bring her father around but not live in the house. She brought these students to that man. How were these young adults so easily maneuvered & manipulated by this clown Larry. I feel bad for Santos as well bc he brought both sisters & introduced them to this lunatic Larry.
I think it's so wrong for giving Isabel the reduction of 15 years to only 4.5 years. She was part of the act. She denied everything till the trail. Her attorney told her even if you don't believe Larry is guilty, just lie so the judge will give you pity and give you a lesser sentence. We can conclude in prison she is still claiming Larry is innocent. I'm just waiting for her to get out after 4.5 years and start a petition to get Larry out. This is when we can for a fact claimed she lied under oath just to reduce her sentence.
I’m from Italy & I didn’t know anything about this story. As a true crime lover when the series popped up on my tv I just pressed play but I didn’t know what to expect. It escalated fast and I couldn’t believe my ears and eyes while I was watching it, it’s unbelievable and disturbing. It’s alarming that something like this could even be imaginable in these days, but it happened, and the private videos shown were shocking. There’s something missing though, while watching I felt like some pieces and explanations were left behind and I saw that many other viewers have the same opinion. This story left me with a bitter aftertaste
@@doudouard1132 More than the tools, I think it’s about how many infos the delivered. After this, I’ve watched the Peacock’s documentary. For example, in this Hulu series, a boy named Iban was never mentioned. Former boyfriend of Talia, and not only he was part of the cult but he also committed suicide after the allegations against Larry went out. They also didn’t discuss much about Talia after the group moved to the apartment in NY. It’s like the producers couldn’t manage properly the time they had to release and made a lot of cuts here and there.
Hmm. I didn’t know there was another documentary on Peacock. Thanks for the info and yes I did wonder the same about his daughter after they moved to the apartment. Was she held accountable too for the recruiting she did? One of the worst things I’ve ever seen. 💔
I have seen various cult documentaries and I will never understand how people get caught up in these situations. What is the mindset to allow the manipulation?...It truly baffles me.
It's been studied pretty heavily. In truth, anyone can be led into a cult, but particularly when they are experiencing a time of great change or trauma. College students are an unfortunately easy target.
It starts out non abusively and benign. The abuser treats you well and then starts testing soft limits. They do this in a way where you think the behavior is your own idea.
@@werewolf1301 Not anyone dude. That sort of thing never happened to me and will never happened to me. I am though minded and very street smart. I think of myself as a very good kind person but if you try to take advantage of me or try to test how though mentally or physically I am, then you will see a very different side of me.
As an atheist, I find it bizarre that people cannot believe that people would listen, and submit entirely, to a charismatic leader, professing a higher knowledge of the world. It's been happening for thousands of years. That's not to stay I'm disparaging religion/Jesus/Mohammed etc but that seeking and then complying is part of the human condition. It's no surprise
What a charmer. I can only say, after the 1st 17 years of my life, no way in hades was some nimno like this going to influence me in any way, shape or form. And that has never ever ever changed. I had seen everything by then, and my head was hard as a rock.
Absolutely anyone can be manipulated into a cult, it's simply a matter of taking advantage of your personal vulnerabilities. We all have them, and that's why not a single one of is truly "immune" to this phenomenon, which is such a crazy idea to me! To think that entirely normal- and sometimes highly intelligent- people could do such unbelievable things without realizing how terrible it all is... seriously mind blowing. But neuroscientists and psychologists have studied this extensively. It's important to always think critically and never assume yourself to be invincible from anything.
Everyone always says oh their so charming and charismatic these cult leaders and I’m like…what? I can’t see anything charming about them. I can’t understand how these people can’t see how creepy they are.
@@wendylederer367 Given his history of manipulation and his background, you have no clue how you would be able to withstand his manipulation tactics. He started out so slowly, so caring of those teens, it wasn't an overnight situation. Also, Raven had a bigger advantage cause she never lived in the house with Larry like the others did. It was easier to do it in closed quarters. You can't see anything charming about them because you know they are evil from the jump. You aren't face to face with someone like Larry. Don't be so naive.
This is not a rare thing unfortunately its pretty common actually. I went through this when I was 18 the man was 35. I had a friend that went through this and I also had this happen to a former neighbor. Having someone older manipulate and brainwash you and get you strung out. I got out after 4 years. Bad thing is I had a kid with mine and he took custody away from me. I grew up isolated and wasnt taught anything and my parents kicked me out at 15 so i was very nieve and didn't know anything for what i learned in school, had no family and no support and no where to live and he knew that so he had his rich parents help him. This sort of thing happens all the time. Its really bad in my town. Iv just never seen one guy do it to that many kids at once without forcing them against their will to stay there. That's crazy
Serious question: Where were ur parents? Ur family the people that’s supposed to show you right from wrong in life? Im sorry you went through that, the idea of it is just odd.
This guy isn’t your typical “older dude taking advantage of youth and trauma.” As survivors we have a tendency to protect our own stories onto things- this is a different case
@Catalina My mom is autistic and is all about herself and my dad only loves her. He never loved me or my brother like that. My mom is the only person in the world my dad loves and cares about. Me and my brother both left home at 15
It really seems strange to me that she could graduate from Harvard and Columbia and she was couldn't see that he was clearly manipulative. That scares me.
What's mighty strange, was he living in campus for 6 months or like years? Bc from what I had seen I believe it was years. In this case, why isn't the College Sued for allowing him to live on campus? He is a grown man living at a woman's college living in his daughter's dorm. I would like to know if the college was also sued or if there was some type of closed agreement/payment the college made with the victims. My understanding is he lived in campus for years.
There's an entire sub-discipline that studies this phenomenon in psychology! Turns out, just about anyone can be manipulated into a cult. No one is truly immune, since it's the simple action of a narcissistic individual manipulating basic thought processes that every single person has naturally to survive as human beings. The key is to think critically, always. Never make assumptions, regularly question the nature of your own personally-held values, CHECK YOUR SOURCES, and always ask, "Why?" even when something makes sense to you when you first hear it.
Hulu is not subscriber-friendly for customers who subscribe to the ad-supported version of the channel. Commercials are much louder than the programming. Many subscribers have complained about the problem, but Hulu has yet to fix it.
I have always paid for no commercials on Hulu but other services I have used with commercials/cheaper have a similar volume issue. I am so used to having Hulu, I am not canceling any time soon, and my family uses it, but I can't say it's my favorite service. I watched 2 of these 3 episodes and gotta say it was nice to not have commercial interruption but not sure if I can stomach the 3rd episode.
I’m shocked how easy to control people they was crazy for 6 years 😢 it’s really sad what they experienced and I’m was so happy for santos family at the end ❤
I don't see how people manipulated this easily I get your vulnerable and have bad moments in life but somebody talk to me that way and told me I've damaged other property when I did not be knocking them out
Im wstchong the documentary right now , i just want to scream. I came here so i can release my thoughts . How how ???? How can anyone allow someone do this to them ? Leave go home .. i will never understand.... no one can or will be allowed to do this to me .. dont you guys have brains or will power???
I don’t get how a Marine could live like a hoarder. Their whole life is revolved around order and discipline but yet being messy is the least of this guys problems!
People like Larry are professional. They train themselves how to manipulate others their entire life. Think about it, this is exactly what politician do to get our votes. After winning they end up doing nothing they promised.
Great documentary in regard to a record of what happened, however something about this documentary is not adding up for me. Something isn’t sitting right in my gut, and something is telling me there is a bunch of BS here.
Clue # 1 kids: He just got out of jail. Clue # 2 kids: He’s such a loser he’s living with his daughter in her university residence. Clue # 3 kids: He spent the entire night in your female roommates room. TIME TO WAKE UP AND GROW UP.
I’m watching it now and it angers me. Both from Larry’s manipulation, and the victims eagerness to fulfill his desires. But in the back of my head I remind myself those people were weak, compromised individuals. Which is exactly why they were his targets.
Maybe you should watch the documentary before making comments revealing you didn't watch the documentary. He had access to a limo, he had lots of money, he'd spend a lot of money on the supermarkets, he lived in a multi-million dollar apartment in Manhattan (when he wasn't living in the dorm) and had photographs with many famous leaders. He also had video of the former NYPD chief throwing him a surprise party. To a teenager, he doesn't look like a loser. To a teen (and perhaps to many adults), he looks like a well-connected rich guy who could get you places.
@@Okaydo1 Yeah dude but if someone hits me with a hammer or curses at me in my face, he better be prepared to my immediate response which will not be pretty. At 16 years old I fought my 21 year old physically bigger uncle bc he attacked me first. After that we did not spoke to each other like for 2 years and he never dared to try to hit me again. Oh and I won the fight by the way.
Absolutely anyone can be manipulated into a cult. Some of the strongest and most resilient have been tricked in some of the most shocking ways. Joining a cult has nothing to do with being weak and everything to do with a narcissistic, soulless man taking advantage of people's vulnerabilities, no matter how small. Being roped into a cult is simply a matter of one who did not get an opportunity to think critically, to carefully consider every angle of their situation. Ironically, it's that exact same lack of critical thinking that would enable someone to leave a comment such as yours.
If this doesn't show how indoctrinated people are who are doctors, therapists etc. Going and getting a degree is not free thinking. Going to Harvard, ivy league, doctorate etc. Is all just paying a bunch of money to be indoctrinated
the storytelling is just horrible. theyre like building to a story and boom pivoted to another entirely different topic told by another person. it's like an ADHD person is directing this thing or something, like, [SPOILER] here is what happen to this student, but ANYWAY, he is accusing this policeman of something see this this guy is corrupt police, aand ANYWAY this is what another student's story, BUT here is his old friend thinks about him, AND THEN he is accusing the students of breaking his things, BUT here is another student's parents etc etc. even any average netflix documentaries are WAY better than this. who greenlit this?? and is the production team addled with ADHD or something? i have a very strong suspicion that at least 65% of the production squad is suffering from ADHD.
I think it was meant to be that way because that’s what Larry did to his victims. He changed their reality to fragments of what he said happened to them.
Because she didn't want to cooperate. The prosecutors asked her and felicia to cooperate and play the victim or face charges. Felicia decided to cooperate and isabella didn't.
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Raven is the only voice of reason here! There’s a reason Larry never messed with her. Monsters only go after the most vulnerable.
How did Talia Ray get off Scott free from all this? It’s pretty frustrating that she’s just living her life, probably still believing her dad’s lies, and not being held accountable at all.
I don't know why, but I guess it is not uncommon to exonerate co-accused belonging to the same family as the main accused. In other legislations for example, wives (or husbands) can easily get away with murders committed by their other halves if they have covered up for them. My point is that justice doesn't necessarily retain charge against family members who haven't spilled the beans right away. It is a way to recognize that family bounds can also induce a form of coercion that are difficult to escape. My two cents on that, I'm not a lawyer ;)
Isn’t she also a victim/survivor of the cult? That’s the impression I got from the show
@@asuhdude6668 then you've completely missed the point of cults and coercive control. She was in his power since she was a child
She was the recruiting person
I watch a lot of cult documentaries and by far this one is the most disturbing to me. What he did to these kids that had their whole lives in front of them! It’s excruciating to watch someone go from a happy beautiful soul to a a zombi. It’s frightening and incredibly sad!
The amount of therapy and treatment they're going to need to be normal again is offensive.
I honestly can't even watch this. I'm stunned. Absolutely stunned. Wow!!!
Just got done watching the documentary. Unbelievable!
Just saw the LMN and now watching the documentary. Omg🤦🏾♀️
I am in disbelief!!! Santos parents gave that creep $300,000!!!!
I recommend reading Joe Navarro’s book “Dangerous Personalities”. Useful if you want to help protect yourself and loved ones from getting into these situations, because anyone can get pulled into things like this.
Not anyone. It heavily leans towards those with anxious attachment and a lack of healthy boundaries. In other words, people who were abused, neglected, or ignored as children.
@phantos_says Just because those types of ppl are targeted does not mean "normal" ppl can't fall under these circumstances. I've seen it happen to ppl with perfectly happy childhoods. Psychological manipulation isn't just for the "vulnerable"
So many think they are "special ops." I just worked for someone who taught leadership and was obsessed with military although he'd NEVER served. I left ASAP. He literally was running a cult.
There are also a lot of people who were actually in the military who do the exact same thing.
The Democrat party is a cult.
It is so hard for me to believe how can someone be manipulated, con, and controlled like that. It is just astonishing to me the things that I am hearing in this doc. How can people be so gullible and bully that easy. I just can not even imagine something like that happening to me even when I was really young. Is it bc Americans are just not street smart at all?
@@cecarblanco9933 I feel the same way, I'm American but the way ppl can be manipulated and how gullible majority of people in America are is just mind boggling
@@cecarblanco9933 people who have been abused and outcasted are often the ones who get roped in. He knew his victims were isolated and lacked a support system which was why he picked them. Some of them were very impressionable 18 to 19 year olds away from their parents for the first time. It happens.
One of the best documentaries I have ever seen. Hope more people watch this!
I’m crying right now! 😢 seeing Felicia finally reconnect with her mom! I’m so glad she got away from that lunatic!
Omg I was bawling. It was heartbreaking. Poor parents, all 3 of their kids were pulled in by this lunatic
@@ED80s what happened to his daughter? She was helping him. She should be in prison!
@@wendylederer367 I was thinking about what Santos said. Something about her smiling at him first and how lucky he felt because usually pretty girls don't notice him. She dumped him soon after he got reeled in by her dad. I hope to god she didn't set him up
Women need that connection. Men are more isolated creatures. We love doing things by ourselves. I'm glad she was able to pull her family together!
Both fascinating and horrific that people can be malleable to such a point. Psychiatrists said Lawrence was impossible to evaluate because he was too manipulative to undergo psychiatric examination
Can you imagine how psychotic you must be for a licensed professional can't evaluate you. This guy is a psychotic manipulative madman. I hope he is not enjoying his prison time and continuing his madness with other prisoners. Sorry, this guy should be in solitary confinement 24 hrs. a day. He could manipulate the guard, prisoners, and hopefully not the warden.
i dont think that’s accurate lol. psychs evaluate manipulative ppl all the time…
I implore you guys to listen to the Futoshi Matsunaga case there is a great TH-cam video on it, it’s such a crazy story. How that man was able to manipulate a whole family is unbelievable to me and the things that they did to each other was tragic and horrendous
I’ve seen every cult documentary there is and this guy takes the cake! There’s just something about this that’s so heartbreaking and tragic on another level!
Watched all 3 parts one after the next to see what happened! I can’t even describe how crazy and demented this story is. You have to watch to believe it. I feel so sorry for the students whose identity and lives were changed by this evil monster. May this psychopath rot in prison til his end.
Me too.. I agree totally.
Same, that story was bizarre.
I got to be honest I dont get it - yall want to make these people smart but there dumb adults that got caught up in the moment and this wouldnt be news if simply another college student did it and it wouldnt even be called a cult but a club.
What fascinates me about the story is how simply changing the age of the main culprit completely changes how we look at messed up situations and culpability.
@@jaccl4539 It doesn't sound like you watched it or followed the court case. You can't switch Larry out with just anyone. That's the point.
@@DeeWeber And I dont think you understand what I am saying - The face behind the manipulation decides how we interpret the same action.
When a older person does it we interpret it this way.
When a peer does it we interpret it a different way.
when a younger person does it we interpret it different then both other options.
Regardless same action and results but we shift the narrative and how we describe the victims and the culpability.
This is why people have a problem with much older men dating much younger women in their late teens and early twenties because we all realize that people who have more life experience can have their way with and influenc/control over very young minds.
Dude it has nothing wrong with the age, it’s about manipulation and vulnerability. He manipulated grown professional people🤡
But it’s ok for an older woman to date a younger man?🤔 seems bias
@@adam-gt2zs the comment does not say that anywhere…
This guy isn’t your typical person. He has a skill set that is dangerous and a track record of using it effectively. It’s not a common skill and has zero to do with age gaps. It’s clear you don’t understand who this man is or his profile.
@@morganssmashingpearls3329yes, however the power dynamic and deference to older people is a point of manipulation that teens and young adults may not be able to flag or resist.
This situation reminds me of them Surviving R Kelley documentary. Wow!
Even though I went through the horror of war as a child and was very insecure and emotionally unstable, I never allowed people to take advantage of me or bully me. Somehow I always instinctively knew who wanted to use me or harm me (gangs, criminal & drug organizations, gurus, private self-help organizations, healers and even one non-profit non-governmental association). If something sounds too good and easy, it means that something is not right - Life is anything but easy.
Your last sentences!!! This is SUCH an important part of resisting cult recruitment, and many people don't realize this! Cult leaders use something called the "foot-in-the-door" phenomenon, where the demands they make start off very small and seemingly harmless. Then, little by little, the demands become more extreme until, the next thing you know, a normal person is committing themselves to behaviors they never imagined having.
So as you said, it's important to question everything, never take information at its surface value. Think critically, ESPECIALLY if it's information you agree with or really want to believe. Confirmation bias is a quick tool cult leaders use, and even "the best of us" fall privy to confirmation bias.
If anyone says they are forever invincible to cults, they're wrong. That's not meant to attack or criticize anybody, it's just a simple fact of being a human being. Ironically enough, believing you're immune to cult recruitment might actually make you more vulnerable because a cult leader will now lean into that information in ways you weren't anticipating.
The psychology behind cult behavior is rich and SO fascinating!!!
I don't know how many more of these documentaries going to keep coming out that makes me think was I watching the news at all cuz now I'm starting to think I was in a bubble the whole time
Read “The Cut” (part of New York magazine) that’s where I first heard this story…and quite a few other sensational ones for the first time
Keep your heart with all vigilance, for from it flow the springs of life.
My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever.
Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.
What bothers me is how easily it was for Talia to bring her father around but not live in the house. She brought these students to that man. How were these young adults so easily maneuvered & manipulated by this clown Larry. I feel bad for Santos as well bc he brought both sisters & introduced them to this lunatic Larry.
I think it's so wrong for giving Isabel the reduction of 15 years to only 4.5 years. She was part of the act. She denied everything till the trail. Her attorney told her even if you don't believe Larry is guilty, just lie so the judge will give you pity and give you a lesser sentence. We can conclude in prison she is still claiming Larry is innocent. I'm just waiting for her to get out after 4.5 years and start a petition to get Larry out. This is when we can for a fact claimed she lied under oath just to reduce her sentence.
I’m from Italy & I didn’t know anything about this story. As a true crime lover when the series popped up on my tv I just pressed play but I didn’t know what to expect. It escalated fast and I couldn’t believe my ears and eyes while I was watching it, it’s unbelievable and disturbing. It’s alarming that something like this could even be imaginable in these days, but it happened, and the private videos shown were shocking.
There’s something missing though, while watching I felt like some pieces and explanations were left behind and I saw that many other viewers have the same opinion.
This story left me with a bitter aftertaste
Yes, all these tools in the flat, what was that for?
@@doudouard1132 More than the tools, I think it’s about how many infos the delivered. After this, I’ve watched the Peacock’s documentary. For example, in this Hulu series, a boy named Iban was never mentioned. Former boyfriend of Talia, and not only he was part of the cult but he also committed suicide after the allegations against Larry went out. They also didn’t discuss much about Talia after the group moved to the apartment in NY. It’s like the producers couldn’t manage properly the time they had to release and made a lot of cuts here and there.
@@cops1985 Right. I kept waiting for them to talk about Talia through all of this and they never really did.
@@nbcuni exactly 👌🏼
Hmm. I didn’t know there was another documentary on Peacock. Thanks for the info and yes I did wonder the same about his daughter after they moved to the apartment. Was she held accountable too for the recruiting she did? One of the worst things I’ve ever seen. 💔
I have seen various cult documentaries and I will never understand how people get caught up in these situations. What is the mindset to allow the manipulation?...It truly baffles me.
Yeah me too
It's been studied pretty heavily. In truth, anyone can be led into a cult, but particularly when they are experiencing a time of great change or trauma. College students are an unfortunately easy target.
It starts out non abusively and benign. The abuser treats you well and then starts testing soft limits. They do this in a way where you think the behavior is your own idea.
I always think they are so weak in the mind, baffles me.
@@werewolf1301 Not anyone dude. That sort of thing never happened to me and will never happened to me. I am though minded and very street smart. I think of myself as a very good kind person but if you try to take advantage of me or try to test how though mentally or physically I am, then you will see a very different side of me.
The group of college kids not getting duped by this nerd gives me hope that there are still some sane folks out there.
I have mad respect for the ones that sensed something was off with this guy from the get go
As an atheist, I find it bizarre that people cannot believe that people would listen, and submit entirely, to a charismatic leader, professing a higher knowledge of the world. It's been happening for thousands of years. That's not to stay I'm disparaging religion/Jesus/Mohammed etc but that seeking and then complying is part of the human condition. It's no surprise
Just finished it, crazy how gullible some people are.
Cults? I gotta see this.
What a charmer. I can only say, after the 1st 17 years of my life, no way in hades was some nimno like this going to influence me in any way, shape or form. And that has never ever ever changed. I had seen everything by then, and my head was hard as a rock.
Absolutely anyone can be manipulated into a cult, it's simply a matter of taking advantage of your personal vulnerabilities. We all have them, and that's why not a single one of is truly "immune" to this phenomenon, which is such a crazy idea to me!
To think that entirely normal- and sometimes highly intelligent- people could do such unbelievable things without realizing how terrible it all is... seriously mind blowing. But neuroscientists and psychologists have studied this extensively. It's important to always think critically and never assume yourself to be invincible from anything.
Everyone always says oh their so charming and charismatic these cult leaders and I’m like…what? I can’t see anything charming about them. I can’t understand how these people can’t see how creepy they are.
@@wendylederer367 Given his history of manipulation and his background, you have no clue how you would be able to withstand his manipulation tactics. He started out so slowly, so caring of those teens, it wasn't an overnight situation. Also, Raven had a bigger advantage cause she never lived in the house with Larry like the others did. It was easier to do it in closed quarters. You can't see anything charming about them because you know they are evil from the jump. You aren't face to face with someone like Larry. Don't be so naive.
*This is way u teach kids about the evil in this world u don’t hide it from them and make them naive*
Wow this is not what I expected when researching this college for a bachelors in film and television production
This is not a rare thing unfortunately its pretty common actually. I went through this when I was 18 the man was 35. I had a friend that went through this and I also had this happen to a former neighbor. Having someone older manipulate and brainwash you and get you strung out. I got out after 4 years. Bad thing is I had a kid with mine and he took custody away from me. I grew up isolated and wasnt taught anything and my parents kicked me out at 15 so i was very nieve and didn't know anything for what i learned in school, had no family and no support and no where to live and he knew that so he had his rich parents help him. This sort of thing happens all the time. Its really bad in my town. Iv just never seen one guy do it to that many kids at once without forcing them against their will to stay there. That's crazy
Serious question: Where were ur parents? Ur family the people that’s supposed to show you right from wrong in life? Im sorry you went through that, the idea of it is just odd.
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This guy isn’t your typical “older dude taking advantage of youth and trauma.” As survivors we have a tendency to protect our own stories onto things- this is a different case
@Catalina My mom is autistic and is all about herself and my dad only loves her. He never loved me or my brother like that. My mom is the only person in the world my dad loves and cares about. Me and my brother both left home at 15
did anyone else think the kids in this movie are a little like the parents in "abducted in plain sight."
I'm so glad Felicia abandoned her PSYCHIATRY residency! It took the FBI arrest to pull her away from Ray.
It really seems strange to me that she could graduate from Harvard and Columbia and she was couldn't see that he was clearly manipulative. That scares me.
Yep--anybody, but especially someone "smart."
I’m not surprised by this at all. The mental health profession as a whole, is pretty questionable, very political too.
@@cutenessbringsjoy3891 school smart doesn’t equal wisdom, common sense, strength of character…
@@rightweaponry908 Honestly that is the most terrifying part of the whole doc.
What's mighty strange, was he living in campus for 6 months or like years? Bc from what I had seen I believe it was years. In this case, why isn't the College Sued for allowing him to live on campus? He is a grown man living at a woman's college living in his daughter's dorm. I would like to know if the college was also sued or if there was some type of closed agreement/payment the college made with the victims. My understanding is he lived in campus for years.
I don't understand how people get wrapped up in this stuff
Being deeply lost in life. Only rational answer to such irrational behaviors/decisions. But I suppose life isn’t a rational phenomenon. 😂
Right?? Like your foundation as a human has to be so lost! Who’s these kids parents??
You don't know how those people are dangerous. I hope that you never will be in situation to find out.
There's an entire sub-discipline that studies this phenomenon in psychology! Turns out, just about anyone can be manipulated into a cult. No one is truly immune, since it's the simple action of a narcissistic individual manipulating basic thought processes that every single person has naturally to survive as human beings.
The key is to think critically, always. Never make assumptions, regularly question the nature of your own personally-held values, CHECK YOUR SOURCES, and always ask, "Why?" even when something makes sense to you when you first hear it.
I'm a father, this story made me sick😢
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@@billymerritt9641 -- Thanks for your reply. I have to wonder if overly-loud commercials are Hulu's way of getting subscribers to "upgrade."
TH-cam tv is exactly the same even with the regular subscription. Commercials are almost 20 decibels higher
tv is the same, back in the 90s my folks actually bought a TV that would auto adjust the volume of comericals
I have always paid for no commercials on Hulu but other services I have used with commercials/cheaper have a similar volume issue. I am so used to having Hulu, I am not canceling any time soon, and my family uses it, but I can't say it's my favorite service. I watched 2 of these 3 episodes and gotta say it was nice to not have commercial interruption but not sure if I can stomach the 3rd episode.
How was raven the only 1 to see through the bs
Being in CIA he knew how to manipulate, no surprise he could manipulate these kids.
If he really was not in the marines, i doubt he was really in the CIA ....
I’m shocked how easy to control people they was crazy for 6 years 😢 it’s really sad what they experienced and I’m was so happy for santos family at the end ❤
I don't see how people manipulated this easily I get your vulnerable and have bad moments in life but somebody talk to me that way and told me I've damaged other property when I did not be knocking them out
What ever happened to his daughter?
She’s working for a not for profit in North Carolina, living with her grandfather. Seriously.
I do believe the daughter benefited from all the money that her evil dad stole from the guys. The daughter probably knew what was going on.
I don’t understand how Larry’s Lawyer just allowed him to live in his apartment rent free and trash it.
Im wstchong the documentary right now , i just want to scream. I came here so i can release my thoughts . How how ???? How can anyone allow someone do this to them ? Leave go home .. i will never understand.... no one can or will be allowed to do this to me .. dont you guys have brains or will power???
Watch “the way down” another cult documentary
Man would of got the hands instant 👊
Cults the original influencers
I don’t get how a Marine could live like a hoarder. Their whole life is revolved around order and discipline but yet being messy is the least of this guys problems!
if he was black he'd have never even made it on campus smh.. when privilege backfires....
This is very possible
Wthhhh you have to be so venerable at the moment for you to be manipulated this way omg
People like Larry are professional. They train themselves how to manipulate others their entire life. Think about it, this is exactly what politician do to get our votes. After winning they end up doing nothing they promised.
How can some kids and adults buy into this stuff. What is going on with people don't they have any sense at all?
Go Gryphons!
Back when I was there our mascot was The Sarah Lawrence Skunks, which I think is way better.
Great documentary in regard to a record of what happened, however something about this documentary is not adding up for me. Something isn’t sitting right in my gut, and something is telling me there is a bunch of BS here.
Clue # 1 kids: He just got out of jail. Clue # 2 kids: He’s such a loser he’s living with his daughter in her university residence. Clue # 3 kids: He spent the entire night in your female roommates room. TIME TO WAKE UP AND GROW UP.
I’m watching it now and it angers me. Both from Larry’s manipulation, and the victims eagerness to fulfill his desires.
But in the back of my head I remind myself those people were weak, compromised individuals. Which is exactly why they were his targets.
Maybe you should watch the documentary before making comments revealing you didn't watch the documentary. He had access to a limo, he had lots of money, he'd spend a lot of money on the supermarkets, he lived in a multi-million dollar apartment in Manhattan (when he wasn't living in the dorm) and had photographs with many famous leaders. He also had video of the former NYPD chief throwing him a surprise party. To a teenager, he doesn't look like a loser. To a teen (and perhaps to many adults), he looks like a well-connected rich guy who could get you places.
@@Okaydo1 Yeah dude but if someone hits me with a hammer or curses at me in my face, he better be prepared to my immediate response which will not be pretty. At 16 years old I fought my 21 year old physically bigger uncle bc he attacked me first. After that we did not spoke to each other like for 2 years and he never dared to try to hit me again. Oh and I won the fight by the way.
@@Okaydo1 that old chestnut. Flocking to Larry cause of money.
Key word…”Kids” they were kids.
So this is how they recruit gandstalkers
I don’t have Hulu. I don’t want Hulu.
then why are you watching trailers on their channel?
Same. No hulu. I'll find what I want elsewhere.
@@lynnmahan154 torrent?
this is what happened when you are a weak person!
Absolutely anyone can be manipulated into a cult. Some of the strongest and most resilient have been tricked in some of the most shocking ways. Joining a cult has nothing to do with being weak and everything to do with a narcissistic, soulless man taking advantage of people's vulnerabilities, no matter how small.
Being roped into a cult is simply a matter of one who did not get an opportunity to think critically, to carefully consider every angle of their situation.
Ironically, it's that exact same lack of critical thinking that would enable someone to leave a comment such as yours.
well i dont care what you think
If this doesn't show how indoctrinated people are who are doctors, therapists etc. Going and getting a degree is not free thinking. Going to Harvard, ivy league, doctorate etc. Is all just paying a bunch of money to be indoctrinated
A gross oversimplification/conclusion to get from all this but I.....kinda see what you may be getting at.
Izzy is lost.
the storytelling is just horrible. theyre like building to a story and boom pivoted to another entirely different topic told by another person. it's like an ADHD person is directing this thing or something, like, [SPOILER] here is what happen to this student, but ANYWAY, he is accusing this policeman of something see this this guy is corrupt police, aand ANYWAY this is what another student's story, BUT here is his old friend thinks about him, AND THEN he is accusing the students of breaking his things, BUT here is another student's parents etc etc. even any average netflix documentaries are WAY better than this. who greenlit this?? and is the production team addled with ADHD or something? i have a very strong suspicion that at least 65% of the production squad is suffering from ADHD.
I think it was meant to be that way because that’s what Larry did to his victims. He changed their reality to fragments of what he said happened to them.
Oh that’s a common thing when watching such documentaries. I feel you, it irritates me, too
Y"all got a great country to grow up😂
Why did Isabella get 60 months
Because she didn't want to cooperate. The prosecutors asked her and felicia to cooperate and play the victim or face charges. Felicia decided to cooperate and isabella didn't.
Larry was just a liberal that thought Rudy was after him 😂.