i've been following you for some time, i'm interested in your philosophy and approach. I'd like to fancy myself a scholar someday, though for the time being i'd like to ask is this secret scholar society an abstract concept or a group of people that can be engaged with or joined?
The idea that the type of people that want to sanction Israel also share the LOTR views if that bearded weirdo seem just as ridiculous as anything else said in the video. That you can so easy brush off the idea of sanctioning a government currently murdering thousands of children is something I didn’t expect from this channel. Its a damn shame
@@cthulhucrews6602 I'm with yah. I hate that show, but quoting a cliched played out quote just shows thier lack of thought. Not unlike the show they are hating.
That sounds like me when I tried to watch the acolyte. I have this compulsion to finish whatever I start no matter how bad it gets (CBS's Zoo comes to mind) and not even it could see me though all of that show.
Can we step back and realize that the youtube commenter talking about fascists referred to Elon Musk as "the worst people you have ever seen in your life". I really don't understand how this guy's brain works. I really would like to hear that guy's definition of fascism because I suspect it means "anyone that politically disagrees with him".
100% correct. In my experience, people like him that throw around the word “fascist” don’t have any clue what it means and use it loosely to describe anyone who leans conservative.
The thing I find the funniest about adding diversity to a prequel is the resulting implication that there was “ethnic cleansing” between the prequels and the original story. My favourite take away from RoP is that black elves probably became the orcs in the original story.
Moreover, where did they come from? Is there an "Africa" in Middle Earth where dark-skinned elves hail from, with a higher melanin count to protect against the sun? Or is it a magical blessing to help sneak around in the darkness, like dark elves? If so, why does he have the facial phenotype of a real-world African man, not an elf?
Lord of the rings is in part about friendship, loyalty and virtues. About courage. About doing the right thing. About caring. About not just being brave whn you can hide behind a PC. And about an author who felt the loss of a better time. Also: the most evil people you can imagine like chocolate. Chocolate is problematic.
That's because modern socialists - violence against people they disagree with, confidently and outwardly racist, insidiously taking over education, etc - ARE Nazis, they just won't admit it through a combination of genuine idiocy (vapid individuals following trends) and Machiavellian control of language and thought.
@@JFS61023 it's worse than that The person who runs Amazon studios got her job thanks to her connections with Bad Robot, who may or may not have leveraged the metoo movement to get her predecessor fired, so she could hire a producer who worked with her at Bad Robot, who then went and hired a couple of bad robot rejects to run this show and keep in mind JJ Abrams himself is the child of two long time hollywood power players, so it's not like he ever got anywhere on talent to begin with THIS is why so much of modern hollywood is shit, there isn't even the pretense of meritocracy anymore.
I might be an imbecile, but Tolkien's work never resonated with me because of politics. It resisted with me because as a child being both sexually and physically abused, books were my refuge. Because I was buried in them, I was reading at a level far advanced for my age, but I took them literally a such, unaware of underlying messages- but Tolkien's world was so vividly, wonderfully done that it took me straight into it and far away from my own.
@alfiewilliams2852 thank you, Alfie. I'm growing faded and wrinkled, just like my Tolkien books, with someone who chose me with whom to share his life and guide me through my nightmares of what my life was like back then- and even now I still choose to reread them, and happily enter the world he created for us.❤️ I wish the same for anyone else who has felt the magic of Tolkien in their lives! (And no, I tried to watch one episode of the series, but couldn't bear it. )
@@robertbaker1893 Yep, and much more too. It's about life too, the struggle with your own demons (Boromir), the choice between living an adventure and at the same bearing the weight of responsabilities of ruling a nation (Aragorn), guiding other without imposing your point of view while having the most knowledge and wisdom ( Gandalf)... I could go on.
Or celebrate Trudeau when he has done blackface, wears a turban, fires a woman/first nations lawyer that 'will upset the donor class, etc. Seriously? I can't even consider your intellect for a nanosecond.
In Middle-earth. Elves are generally presented as tall, fair, and LONG-HAIRED. In Amazon's crap show. The elves are unrealistically racially diverse coming in different heights, shades, and hairstyles 😂.
@@mustang607 Give them enough time, and they will include lesbian witches, perhaps not space witches per se, but they'll get around to the lesbian witches if the show isn't cancelled.
@@grindtoothmedia120 I'm afraid that's where they're going with that nameless sorceress with the buzzcut. A character you would never find in Tolkien's actual mythos, where all the women are wise, gracious, and feminine.
LOTR is timeless. ROP is a mud puddle. Jackson cared about the story. The actors cared, too. We could all see it. To this day I rewatch those movies because I love them, and I love everyone who worked hard to make them. The best take on ROP I heard was this: "There's no love in it, and that makes it unwatchable." Tolkien was correct when he said creation comes from good forces, and all I'm seeing in ROP is destructive immaturity.
Yes the books are timeless as well as the movies. They’ll be read and watched 500 years from now and RoP will not. It will merely be a footnote in history.
The charge at Helm's Deep. The charge at Gondor. That was movie making at such a level that I literally cried out when I saw it. Rings of Power is an embarrassment.
Lord of the Rings is NOT political. It's spiritual! Both Tolkien and Lewis were deeply influenced by the fantasy writer George McDonald. In fact, CS Lewis.felt he owed so much to the spiritual lessons in McDonald's stories that he wrote the foreword to a new edition of Phantasies, and then made George McDonald one of the main characters in one of my favorite of Lewis' books, The Great Divorce.
I'm a Dane. I did take some English classes at night school whilst at college in England. It was more to get the GCSI to plop on my CV to complement my full name that does not look like someone able to speak English as I do. Let's talk about rings of power. I had an open mind. I like me some fantasy. Within minutes of the first episode, I am screaming "WHAT!?" at the screen. It's obviously the sinking rock and the floating shit bullshit. AT that point I was confused because I stopped and looked at the glorious reviews (as they were early on). Maybe I am going crazy because everyone else loves it? It was a journey for me for sure. lol
I didn't watch the show but that specific clip was the first ones I saw and I just gasped... At first, I thought the brother was just joking to young Galadriel and he would laugh after saying it, but no, it transitioned to him in battle. They were absolutely serious with that line. They seriously thought they were being philosophical, trying to be "Tokien-ien" with that dialogue but it comes off as extremely silly... Another banger is "the sea is always right" LOL... I think they dropped that stupid phrase in season 2 (I might be wrong)...
The whole point of the entertainment industry these days is to make you think you're crazy for hating bad shows. It's gaslighting and propaganda at its worst.
If you don't like Tolkien don't read it, and for God's sake don't make a TV show or movie or some other subversive fan fiction hackery. Of course, that's the point, isn't it? They want to knock it down to remake it in their own image... which is the story of Morgoth--and that is all any of us needs to know.
In recent years, many movies have become productions that only use the name of successful franchises to make a profit, but actually have nothing to do with the story
@@teresa6525 Correct. And they are also not making a profit... which should tell the creators something, but it doesn't because they are deluded and self-righteous idiots.
@@everopeneye3290 As well as supporting Fakestine without knowing muslim involvement in the annihilation of the Jews, when the Nazis originally wanted to exile the Jews there, but the grand mufti of Jerusalem convinced him to wipe them out instead, as muslims have been doing for 1400 years, since muhammad himself.
That's the problem with Leftists. You have to pin them down on the definitions they are using for so many words before you can talk or debate with them. Of course, getting them to define those words is next to impossible, leaving you unable to progress with the progressive.
@@everopeneye3290 If it hasn't been done yet, it's a great question for one of those ubiquitous person-on-the-street/beach/boardwalk/college quad interviews: Guy with mike: So, you support socialism, yes? Person on Street: Yes, definitely. Guy: just like at the city or state level, or the whole country? Person: the whole country. Guy: So, what you support is National Socialism, then. Maybe run by the workers? Person: Oh, yeah. I'd happily join a National Socialist Workers' Party. Guy: Great, thanks for talking to me. Enjoy the rest of the Anti-Israel protest. Person: Thanks. From the River to the Sea...!
“Rings of Power, the most expensive show ever made is so bad.” My man. I didn’t need another reason to keep watching your videos but now you got me for life. The show is a massive insult to Tolkien and intelligent writing in general. They’re also completely shameless when it comes to ripping off the Jackson films.
Tolkien is appraised for good writing mostly by people who saw only the film or people who did not read so many books. The smaller your window the greater the parts in there look.
Pretentious snobs always knock Tolkein for his writing. I love to read and I absolutely love how Tolkein would go on and on about frivolous details, personally. Which professor taught you to think what they think, instead of for yourself, Torian?
Rings of power looks like it's been written by a 5 year old. Particularly by people who have never watched Lord of the rings, read the books or have any interest in the stories at all. It's like they've been given a High level bullet point presentation about it and have written stories that are inconsistent, incoherent, and badly directed.
Rings is just Amazon trying to make a "Game of Thrones" style series with a Middle Earth backdrop. The multiple POV characters, romantic interests, battle set pieces, all according to the GoT playbook.
I saw the "Sanctions" sign and everything he said about LOTR was completely predictable. These folks think they're the first ones to ever imagine their brilliant leftist cliches.
@krux02 100%. I don't get what this youtuber and a lot of these commenters are going on about. How about we _completely_ defund Israel. See how aggressive they are in the region then.
@@_nebulousthoughts Not sure what your threshold is for a genocide. But from my observation of what is happening in Israel, it is a carbon copy of what happened to the Jews in Nazi-Germany. The reports exist. You can of course continue to deny that it is happening. Focus on numbers from non-trustworthy sources that will always stay below your arbitrary threshold for genocide. And therefore everything must be fine with what Israel does.
1:44 Tolkien HATED allegory, the story of LOTR is meant to transcend topics de jure of the time, they are meant to resonate to a greater sense of English identity. It doesn't matter if Daily Wire hosts like LOTR 70+ years later, what an insane take.
Long story short, the trilogy hired professionals, the Amazon series hired activists. Hire professionals next time and you will have a higher chance to produce something of quality. Hiring activists just throws your money away...
The success of Peter Jackson's Lord of the rings trilogy is proof there was no politics involved. If you wanna assume that Gandalf s upgrade to Gandalf the white is racist, and orcs represent illegal immigrants, that's your opinion.
4:56 Thanks. Thats why according to my understating of reality I can not watch action movies with women punching guy twice her size or girl boss Galadriel doing warriors stuff
It’s hard enough to believe James Bond beating two guys his size, but at least you can believe it. The movie Ava with Jessica Chastain really did it over the top. She’s like 5”6 and weighs 50kg and was beating 4 guys at once twice her size with the same combat training as them, it was so stupid. That’s why there are weight classes in boxing and that
Galadriel could absolutely do action stuff. Elves. But in terms of reality, women can be deadly and take on a man, but remember, in reality, no one conducts war by standing in front of them saying prepare yourself. Thats why ninja would use arson as a means to confuse the enemy as they would infiltrate a town or castle to accomplish their objective. Ninja also used women as assassins or for information gain, and usually they would be a geisha or prostitute to accomplish either objective. In terms of LoTR, Galadriel being an elf gave her many phsyical benefits over humans; such as being faster, having better eyesight, living a longer life (wisdom and knowledge), and then having one of the 3 great rings amplified any of what she had and then gave her more with magic. Now, elves are not known for their strength, but their agility. So Galadriel could absolutely be a warrior, but she wouldnt block a sword with her own to glare at her enemy, she would riposte or parry the said strike to get her opponent off balance to give a wounding or fatal blow. This can be said for women nowadays, but everyone focuses on strength, not agiloty and knowledge. You punch a dude in the balls or poke his eyes or smash his nose, it will absolutely hinder that person. But in terms of combat nowadays, no one thinks that. The truth is this, women can take on men, but in order to do so, they must put forth much effort to gain knowledge of weak points and practice them
Man I could listen to Warren talk about shit all day lol. Warren I think you should start a weekly or biweekly show on TH-cam where you just talk about stuff like this or have little debates and stuff for an hour or so. I’d definitely watch the heck out of it
Ah yes, The Rings of Powerless Men, featuring such relatable and enjoyable characters as Lord El-wrong, King Doughboy, Diversity Elf, the great smith Celebrim-boring, Short Mom (RIP), Peachfuzz, Queenie B (as in, "blind"), Sailor Guy, Sailor Boy, Sailor Boy's sister Boobs McGee, Other Sailor Boy, Scarface, Family Orc, Hobo Homie, Frodette, Samwise-antha, Prince Doorknob, his father King Doorknob, his wife Opera Dwarf, the Dark Lord Sneaky Boi - and of course, most important of all, the queen of light, the knower of all things, the wise, the powerful, the beloved, the independent she-elf who don't need no mortal Man: Guyladriel, slayer of ice trolls, dispenser of superior knowledge, source of all wisdom in Not-Middle-earth, capturer of evil gods' hearts, and (lest we forget) hardcore enjoyer of slow-motion horseback rides on the beach. Truly, the show that can be rightfully considered the great epic of our time, as attested to by the catastrophically low viewership numbers, the disdain of even the almost worthless mainstream media, and the complete and total disownership and rejection from the tens of millions of Tolkien fans worldwide who valiantly rose up in heroic defense of their beloved story, its world, and the man who brought it into being.
I love all your nicknames, but "the Dark Lord Sneaky Boi" is a gem. It sounds like a mischievous house cat who breaks into the crunchy treats - which is about as cunning and dangerous as RoP's Sauron.
Boy...!!!...did you nail it with this one...!!!...This adaptation, if it can genuinely be referred to as such, bears minimal resemblance to Tolkien's original writings. It embodies a "woke trope" that diverges significantly from the context established in "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy. This represents yet another cinematic misstep, as the political agendas of the disjointed left permeate creative venue and platforms...
Illogical??? Uh, in the 2nd episode the main character JUMPED INTO THE OCEAN because she's because and strong?? 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ This was always amateur hour writing
I tried to watch season 1 just so I could see a visualization of the earlier lore. I tried to ignore the bad acting and illogical character developments to get through it but It was just too bad to watch. As I suspected season 2 will probably make it even more unwatchable. What a shame.
"this happens... and then". This made me recall a lecture from the South Park creators, Matt Stone and Trey Parker. They had the exact same message as you did. paraphrasing Matt - "If you have a *and then* in between your beats (storyline) you are f**ed. Instead, you should have - this happens, *therefore* this happens. *BUT* this happens, *therefore* this happens." Every scene should follow and create momentum to the story. A scene should never be made if it doesn't add to the story itself. Looking at you, Family Guy
Some things are timeless, and cannot be "updated" for modern audiences, no matter how many billions you spend. It really just looks like bad casting, in my opinion.
For me the highlight of ROP was in season 1. The epic battle of the tiny village with the combination pub/town hall/police station where a handful of villagers fought another handful of villagers. Ones and ones of people all at once in a massive combat scene. So dramatic and impactfull.
Rings of power is poor writing, acting, production, costuming, effects (with occasional good effect) and average score. Actually the writing isn’t poor, it’s abysmal. Perhaps the worst writing ever put to TV. Where did the money go? Bezos is a smart man; surely he knew the ‘show runners’ are fools? Where’s the money??
The reason it’s been so popular for so long is it’s timeless story. It reflects our world but doesn’t tie itself to any specific time or issues. You can take what you need from it.
Theatre is an actor’s medium, film is a director/editor’s medium, and TV is a writer’s medium. This show has the works of one of the greatest writers of the modern era as their source material and, yet - they have decided to toss him aside in favor their own committee-think and activist-driven sketches. And then they wonder why it’s not resonating with viewers.
I couldn't get through the first episode. I read The Hobbit and the trilogy at thirteen years of age and have a great fondness for the world Tolkien described. The Rings of Power takes place somewhere I don't recognize at all.
I’m so sickened by these intellectually dishonest illogical people. So sad to see them carry the flag of Palestine justice, it automatically discredits it.
I don't agree. Peoples view on world events has nothing to do with liking or disliking RoP or LoTR. I love JRRT and despise RoP. That says everything about my love of literature, respect for an authors legacy, and love god good story telling and nothing about my political views. It's disappointing that this guy has been brainwashed into jumping on a nonsensical political band wagon.
RE: 4:00 I don't think "Rings of Power" was designed to reflect today's world, but instead was designed to reflect the producers' perception of the world. "Lord of the Rings" resonates with readers because it reflects the world and basic truths about the nature of the world. "Rings of Power" is a projection of the world based on the ideology of the creators. One describes the world as observed, the other prescribes what the world should be. . . . and then I started to watch the rest of the video!
I beg to differ because some high school productions are way better than this... 'stumbled' upon you content, about a year ago, and have been following your journey ever since. Keep it up, it's really good! Social media being as it is, nowadays, It's a breath of fresh air to listen to some rational discourse... 🙏
The Hobbit films aren't bad, just bloated, misguided and forced. Cut down to just the parts in the book, not a bad Hobbit film. Jackson really was forced to try and recreate LOTR and probablyl, honestly felt like,he could incorporate some of the appendices and SHOW them in a way never done before but never stopped to think if he should, given the freedom and budget he had and the pressure to repeat success.
The difference in quality compared to Game of Thrones or the original LOTR movies is something most critics are overlooking: One issue lies in the noticeably poorer production quality, everything from color grading, lighting, and cinematography itself feels like it’s trying too hard to imitate something it’s not. It’s as if inexperienced copyists are in charge, lacking the knowledge to execute the job properly. Time and again, the art directors, production designers and editors should have raised red flags, with someone stepping in to say, "hey that just doesn't work!" The lighting, in particular, is downright awful, often revealing an amateurish 90's TV approach, so many examples of this. Frankly, it feels like a significant percentage of the crew were diversity hires who were new to the job? That’s just an educated guess, not an actual fact of course.
What happened to all the colored people in between Rings of Power and Lord of the Rings? According to the show, Rings of Power happened before Lord of the Rings, but Lord of the Rings had no colored people except the humans under Sauron.
There were at least three different races of hobbits with different skin tones in middle earth, along with other races of humans. The problem with the show is instead of doing that, and actually have different groups look different from each other, they just made every single group have an equal amount of white, black, Asian and Hispanic in it which looks stupid and breaks immersion. Diversity is often easy to achieve but Amazon and Disney haven't quite figured out that it's OK to have one group have the same skin tone.
That's one thing some people might use to call Tolkien racist, like he or anyone else you read or watched the movies and enjoyed them, really would care about. But, ironically, it feels just like those "foreign people" are representing the illegal immigrants and Sauron, the one controlling these people with false promises, is representing the current USA administration.
The problem with reflecting "today's world" -- whose world? It's not just that LOTR reflected early medieval (or pre-Christian) Britain -- which ROP does not reflect at all. It's that the writers of ROP have a weird conception of "today's world" -- apparently a bunch a happy-sappy people free of race, tribes, or boundaries. I ride the train to work with all different kinds of people, but my involvement with them ends there. I go home to a fairly homogeneous society. This has nothing to do with hatred of others, rather common bonds (culture, faith, ideology) with a certain group. ROP, in contrast, seemed like one big free-for-all, a place full of misfits. To call ROP a glorified high school production is insulting to high school. The whole thing seemed like a bunch of immature acting and writing -- a sophomoric attempt to sound "heroic" or "mythical."
I grew up ten minutes away from Sarehole Mill, where Tolkien got his inspiration for the Shire, and where he looked over at industrial Birmingham and got his inspiration for Mordor. I also share a birthday with The Hobbit, I was born on the 21st of September 1998, which, not only was that the day The Hobbit was released (in 1937), but also it's the day before Hobbit Day which is both Bilbo and Frodo's birthdays. I am a Conservative, at least culturally, and I would consider myself to be an English Traditionalist, I am also a Christian...me and Tolkien also share something as mundane as having a proclivity towards English seaside towns for holidays over going abroad. Of course, then, I view Middle-earth as the author intended, as a mythos for the English people. My point is, Tolkien's Legendarium means a lot to me. I view it as a part of English culture, it's more than just a mere fantasy, but the mythos that J.R.R Tolkien intended for my people - to see Amazon produce this slop which is laced with American sensibilities from America's current climate, using it as a skinsuit to convey allegorical messages from a culture war that was started in America, with causes that are imitated by the dolts and flatheads of my country who repudiate their own heritage, coupled with the reduction of Middle-earth as being nothing more than a brand or a franchise, honestly, it all makes me sick. It's sad knowing that this slop of a show is some people's first experience with Middle-earth, and I find that deeply regretable.
Excellent, Warren. All of Tolkien fandom is rejecting this nonsense that dares to drape itself in his nomenclature and geography. Other than mere photogenics, there is nothing Tolkien about RoP. Nobody likes it who has any claim to logic or who reveres the original creation of its author. Good work.
"All of Tolkien fandom is rejecting..." No they are not. I am a Tolkien fan, first introduced to the books in 1987 via the Bakshi Animated 1979 LOTR. I love ROP. I love the Bakshi version and I love the Peter Jackson version. YOU, don't like it. You cannot speak on behalf of all Tolkien fans.
“Rings of power looks very fair but feels foul.” YES. The visuals are stunning- the costumes, the sweeping landscapes, the edifices. But the plot, the dialogue, and the characters are all so unlikeable, it’s painful to watch.
OK, if we are squaring off with those who love Lord of the Rings on one side and those who think its problematic on the other, I proudly side the the former.
Matt Walsh made a good point in saying that sequels are never good unless they are planned from the beginning. I think in my 44 years of watching disappointing part twos of some of my favorite movies he has a very good point.
I am a hardcore Lord of the Rings fan and I have read the book many, many times. Sorry to say that, but I find the trilogy of Peter Jackson even worse than the current series. My understanding is that such films that cost that huge amount of money have to be made in a way that even the dumbest customer can understand the story, and the interactions between the protagonists must rely on the most primitive emotions that everyone from 5 to 99 can resonate with. The first question I asked myself after watching Rings of Power was: Where has all the money gone? So my advice is: Forget about the films, read the books!
There's an expression, "Don't ascribe to malice what can be ascribed to stupidity." However, too many people think this means anything can be ascribed to stupidity. Not with the modern entertainment industry. There are just too many "mistakes" for it to be a coincidence. I've literally heard progressives say they would burn Star Wars, Tolkien, Warhammer, etc. to the ground if "conservatives" enjoyed it. That's malice. I think the guys at the top of the entertainment food chain feel their worldview is crumbling and have adopted a scorched-earth policy before circumstances eject them from control of these ip’s.
My high school did a production of Lord of the Rings (filmed). It took a year to produce, and involved the cooperation of every department: the art club, drama club, senior orchestra, etc. That 40-minute production was better than Rings of Power.
Managed to get through about half of season 1, thought it was crap, bad acting,bad writing and riddled with identity politics. Quite simply the disconnects were too much!
LOTR was an event. Every year we waited for the sequel. Afterwards we all got together and talked about how awesome it was. Now, nothing. Just mainstream media bashing fans for disliking this show
A high school play of LOTR would be infinitely better than this show. It might actually be entertaining. Just the CHANCE of entertainment is more than rangz of prime has. Not to mention logic.
The problem with a lot of modern writing is that the writers cannot pick a side. They create such ambiguous characters that they cannot actually reach a victory between good and evil because they can "see things from both sides". Pick a side people...
I saw a comment that went something like, "Rings of Power is the strawberry bubblegum of Tolkien lore. It's sweet, and has some fun parts, but it has been so far removed from strawberries that it leaves us with zero 'nourishment'"
Good stuff man, you got a new sub. Even if you ignore the political undertones from the leftist activist writers/creators, just the show itself is horrible. It feels like a bad CW show. The dialog is hilariously bad, the Dutch Angles are wat, the costumes look like costumes instead of actual clothes, it lacks the amazing music that's so integral to Jackson's trilogy. And on and on.
Bronwyn, in the first season, gets hit in the chest by an arrow (or two?) and in the next episode she's running around hugging people. Compare that to Boromir at the end of the Fellowship of the Ring. That blunder alone takes away the stakes... you see it again when Galadriel lives through the volcanic explosion. Why even care about what happens to the characters if they're invincible?
We already have a Masterpiece by JRR Tolkien and Peter Jackson, we should learn from it. But the people in Amazon says, no, we will destroy the Masterpiece and we will do our own.
I saw "rings of power" advertised on a billboard on my way to my local hardware and wondered. It was on a platform I don't have access to. ThankFully. I don't know why but listening to Warren makes me believe. Lastly I did not know rings of power had anything to do with the Lord of the Rings. Talk about dodging a bullet.
I really like your point at the end. I’ve had a lot of similar thoughts lately. The biggest problem with green screen seems to be that the more they’re used the more it impacts not only how the film looks obviously but I think how everyone working on it behaves. Only so many people can act really convincingly against a green screen. Only so many shots are going to be really perfect against a green screen. And you’re always going to miss those perfectly imperfect shots that weren’t planned but just turned out to be exactly what was needed in that moment for that scene. Practical effects and location shooting might be relatively lost arts though
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i've been following you for some time, i'm interested in your philosophy and approach. I'd like to fancy myself a scholar someday, though for the time being i'd like to ask is this secret scholar society an abstract concept or a group of people that can be engaged with or joined?
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The idea that the type of people that want to sanction Israel also share the LOTR views if that bearded weirdo seem just as ridiculous as anything else said in the video. That you can so easy brush off the idea of sanctioning a government currently murdering thousands of children is something I didn’t expect from this channel. Its a damn shame
@@supertrooper3438 I under understand your sentiment, but I don’t wanna be a part of anything. I have to join not at this point anyway.
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Warren knows what he's Tolkien about
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Didn't see that coming. Love it
Oh my...good one.
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Nice one.
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made” - JRR Tolkien
@@cthulhucrews6602 How is he "twisting the author's words" when he's literally just quoting? Lol
@@cthulhucrews6602 COPE and SEETHE Amazon show enjoyer
@@cthulhucrews6602please stop policing our thoughts
@@cthulhucrews6602 I'm with yah. I hate that show, but quoting a cliched played out quote just shows thier lack of thought. Not unlike the show they are hating.
@@cthulhucrews6602where is the quote in the books?
Calling RoP illogical is a kindness it doesn't deserve. Its a disgusting travesty. 😂
Who's the turd in the video?
😂 true
Those statements aren't mutually exclusive though. It being illogical is a part of it being a disgusting travesty.
I’m not that sophisticated, it was a 💩 show
Why aren't the Orcs racially diverse?
they are all dark skinned already....
Because it doesn't have enough latina, ebony and spicy flavors to enrich it with yet. There was a non-binary orc though somewhere in that army.
What about pretty orcs or small orcs? They are really under represented! Orcs with glasses or learning disabilities are lacking as well
What's funny, I heard a rumor that season 2 has two gay male orcs.
I don't think I've ever watched a show where I've had less emotional connection with any character.
That sounds like me when I tried to watch the acolyte. I have this compulsion to finish whatever I start no matter how bad it gets (CBS's Zoo comes to mind) and not even it could see me though all of that show.
The most moral character is the villain
@@thistles They keep changing the villains to make you sympathetic towards them, so that they can invert your sense of good and evil.
Wheel of time on prime is just as tasteless and soulless. Couldn’t get past episode 4.
@@Knowbody42 The poor widdle wefugee orcs
I'm glad its not just me thinking this was a high school- level drama club production.
theatre kids. vote it up.
biggest problem in the universe.
Bringing up that "look fairer but feel fouler" meme from the trilogy is the perfect explanation for Rings of Power. Thank you.
Can we step back and realize that the youtube commenter talking about fascists referred to Elon Musk as "the worst people you have ever seen in your life". I really don't understand how this guy's brain works. I really would like to hear that guy's definition of fascism because I suspect it means "anyone that politically disagrees with him".
the same guy also has a "sanctions on israel" sign behind him.... guy is just so... clueless right now on so many levels.
Gamma dude ripping on Alpha's.
Yeah, let's keep on supporting a gen o cide.
They think they were "right wing" and not socialists.
100% correct. In my experience, people like him that throw around the word “fascist” don’t have any clue what it means and use it loosely to describe anyone who leans conservative.
The thing I find the funniest about adding diversity to a prequel is the resulting implication that there was “ethnic cleansing” between the prequels and the original story.
My favourite take away from RoP is that black elves probably became the orcs in the original story.
Didn't think of that
The fun thing about the diverse cast of elves, hobbits and dwarves is... What happened to all of them later? Massive eugenics?
They won't try to justify the lack of diversity later. They'll just get rid of the "later" and destroy the source material once and for all.
Moreover, where did they come from? Is there an "Africa" in Middle Earth where dark-skinned elves hail from, with a higher melanin count to protect against the sun?
Or is it a magical blessing to help sneak around in the darkness, like dark elves? If so, why does he have the facial phenotype of a real-world African man, not an elf?
Lord of the rings is in part about friendship, loyalty and virtues. About courage. About doing the right thing. About caring. About not just being brave whn you can hide behind a PC.
And about an author who felt the loss of a better time.
Also: the most evil people you can imagine like chocolate. Chocolate is problematic.
Reminds me of "Hitler drank water. If you drink water you're racist."
I forgot about that evil "would look fairer and feel fouler" line. It's perfect
It’s constantly funny to me that nazis are associated with conservatives when most of them wrote how they were socialists. 😂
That's because modern socialists - violence against people they disagree with, confidently and outwardly racist, insidiously taking over education, etc - ARE Nazis, they just won't admit it through a combination of genuine idiocy (vapid individuals following trends) and Machiavellian control of language and thought.
I dont understand how these modern writers got jobs when the most fundamental parts is showing and not telling
These specific writers came from JJ Abrams' BAD Robot.
Because these writers will shill out the message, that's why they have jobs.
@@JFS61023 Fitting name, Bad Robot. It's bad & soulless.
@@JFS61023 it's worse than that
The person who runs Amazon studios got her job thanks to her connections with Bad Robot, who may or may not have leveraged the metoo movement to get her predecessor fired, so she could hire a producer who worked with her at Bad Robot, who then went and hired a couple of bad robot rejects to run this show
and keep in mind JJ Abrams himself is the child of two long time hollywood power players, so it's not like he ever got anywhere on talent to begin with
THIS is why so much of modern hollywood is shit, there isn't even the pretense of meritocracy anymore.
I might be an imbecile, but Tolkien's work never resonated with me because of politics.
It resisted with me because as a child being both sexually and physically abused, books were my refuge. Because I was buried in them, I was reading at a level far advanced for my age, but I took them literally a such, unaware of underlying messages- but Tolkien's world was so vividly, wonderfully done that it took me straight into it and far away from my own.
Hope you're doing well.
Tolkien's fantasy books are not political. The underlying themes are adventure, romance and the battle between good and evil.
@@robertbaker1893 ❤️
@alfiewilliams2852 thank you, Alfie. I'm growing faded and wrinkled, just like my Tolkien books, with someone who chose me with whom to share his life and guide me through my nightmares of what my life was like back then- and even now I still choose to reread them, and happily enter the world he created for us.❤️
I wish the same for anyone else who has felt the magic of Tolkien in their lives!
(And no, I tried to watch one episode of the series, but couldn't bear it. )
@@robertbaker1893 Yep, and much more too. It's about life too, the struggle with your own demons (Boromir), the choice between living an adventure and at the same bearing the weight of responsabilities of ruling a nation (Aragorn), guiding other without imposing your point of view while having the most knowledge and wisdom ( Gandalf)... I could go on.
It’s vandalism, just straight up grotesque vandalism. The distillation of “everything woke turns to shit”.
These are the same people who decry cultural appropriation but happily, aggressively will appropriate Middle English culture.
Or celebrate Trudeau when he has done blackface, wears a turban, fires a woman/first nations lawyer that 'will upset the donor class, etc.
Seriously? I can't even consider your intellect for a nanosecond.
Who is 'they'?
@@Solidude4 I never used the word “they.” Are you a bot?
@@yewknight Who are 'these' then.
@@Solidude4go outside my brother.
In Middle-earth. Elves are generally presented as tall, fair, and LONG-HAIRED. In Amazon's crap show. The elves are unrealistically racially diverse coming in different heights, shades, and hairstyles 😂.
Elves just pop over to the barber shop to get their fade.
At least it didn’t have lesbian space witches.
@@mustang607 Give them enough time, and they will include lesbian witches, perhaps not space witches per se, but they'll get around to the lesbian witches if the show isn't cancelled.
Actually, I don't think they are described as all having long hair. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. Pointy ears aren't mentioned either
@@grindtoothmedia120 I'm afraid that's where they're going with that nameless sorceress with the buzzcut. A character you would never find in Tolkien's actual mythos, where all the women are wise, gracious, and feminine.
LOTR is timeless. ROP is a mud puddle.
Jackson cared about the story. The actors cared, too. We could all see it. To this day I rewatch those movies because I love them, and I love everyone who worked hard to make them.
The best take on ROP I heard was this: "There's no love in it, and that makes it unwatchable."
Tolkien was correct when he said creation comes from good forces, and all I'm seeing in ROP is destructive immaturity.
Yes the books are timeless as well as the movies. They’ll be read and watched 500 years from now and RoP will not. It will merely be a footnote in history.
I've seen snippets of interviews with the ROP actors and it's all about them, not the story. That's the problem.
The charge at Helm's Deep. The charge at Gondor. That was movie making at such a level that I literally cried out when I saw it. Rings of Power is an embarrassment.
It's odd you cried
It was awesome though, great movies
@@christopherpekel6096 I "cried out." Try reading.
Haha I get it man, I was only kidding. I know what you mean ;) 😊
Lord of the Rings is NOT political. It's spiritual! Both Tolkien and Lewis were deeply influenced by the fantasy writer George McDonald. In fact, CS Lewis.felt he owed so much to the spiritual lessons in McDonald's stories that he wrote the foreword to a new edition of Phantasies, and then made George McDonald one of the main characters in one of my favorite of Lewis' books, The Great Divorce.
Your vibes on the globally broadcast middle school play RoP are spot on man
I'm a Dane. I did take some English classes at night school whilst at college in England. It was more to get the GCSI to plop on my CV to complement my full name that does not look like someone able to speak English as I do. Let's talk about rings of power. I had an open mind. I like me some fantasy. Within minutes of the first episode, I am screaming "WHAT!?" at the screen. It's obviously the sinking rock and the floating shit bullshit. AT that point I was confused because I stopped and looked at the glorious reviews (as they were early on). Maybe I am going crazy because everyone else loves it? It was a journey for me for sure. lol
I didn't watch the show but that specific clip was the first ones I saw and I just gasped... At first, I thought the brother was just joking to young Galadriel and he would laugh after saying it, but no, it transitioned to him in battle. They were absolutely serious with that line. They seriously thought they were being philosophical, trying to be "Tokien-ien" with that dialogue but it comes off as extremely silly... Another banger is "the sea is always right" LOL... I think they dropped that stupid phrase in season 2 (I might be wrong)...
The whole point of the entertainment industry these days is to make you think you're crazy for hating bad shows. It's gaslighting and propaganda at its worst.
If you don't like Tolkien don't read it, and for God's sake don't make a TV show or movie or some other subversive fan fiction hackery. Of course, that's the point, isn't it? They want to knock it down to remake it in their own image... which is the story of Morgoth--and that is all any of us needs to know.
It's to change future generations.
It's all there in 1984. These people refer to it like a manual.
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In recent years, many movies have become productions that only use the name of successful franchises to make a profit, but actually have nothing to do with the story
@@teresa6525 Correct. And they are also not making a profit... which should tell the creators something, but it doesn't because they are deluded and self-righteous idiots.
1:23 Ugh… Kavernacle. He’s such a scummy bs artist.
Agreed!
This damn word "Fascism". Everybody is throwing it around, and nobody even knows what it means. Nobody knows what a fasces is and what it stood for.
Its as well used as the word “Nazi” is without people actually knowing what it means. Its a funny as it is depressing.
@@everopeneye3290 As well as supporting Fakestine without knowing muslim involvement in the annihilation of the Jews, when the Nazis originally wanted to exile the Jews there, but the grand mufti of Jerusalem convinced him to wipe them out instead, as muslims have been doing for 1400 years, since muhammad himself.
That's the problem with Leftists. You have to pin them down on the definitions they are using for so many words before you can talk or debate with them. Of course, getting them to define those words is next to impossible, leaving you unable to progress with the progressive.
@@everopeneye3290 If it hasn't been done yet, it's a great question for one of those ubiquitous person-on-the-street/beach/boardwalk/college quad interviews:
Guy with mike: So, you support socialism, yes?
Person on Street: Yes, definitely.
Guy: just like at the city or state level, or the whole country?
Person: the whole country.
Guy: So, what you support is National Socialism, then. Maybe run by the workers?
Person: Oh, yeah. I'd happily join a National Socialist Workers' Party.
Guy: Great, thanks for talking to me. Enjoy the rest of the Anti-Israel protest.
Person: Thanks. From the River to the Sea...!
I do know what it means. That makes your statement "nobody even knows what it means" incorrect.
“Rings of Power, the most expensive show ever made is so bad.”
My man. I didn’t need another reason to keep watching your videos but now you got me for life. The show is a massive insult to Tolkien and intelligent writing in general. They’re also completely shameless when it comes to ripping off the Jackson films.
Tolkien is appraised for good writing mostly by people who saw only the film or people who did not read so many books. The smaller your window the greater the parts in there look.
Pretentious snobs always knock Tolkein for his writing.
I love to read and I absolutely love how Tolkein would go on and on about frivolous details, personally.
Which professor taught you to think what they think, instead of for yourself, Torian?
Rings of power looks like it's been written by a 5 year old. Particularly by people who have never watched Lord of the rings, read the books or have any interest in the stories at all. It's like they've been given a High level bullet point presentation about it and have written stories that are inconsistent, incoherent, and badly directed.
There is no need to understand and respect the original works when the goal is not to tell a captivating story but to push politics.
@@kurocknotabi Yeah, sure. They invested a billion dollars to make your kids trans or gay, we get it, you incel
Come on, you rigjtie raciste. It's 14.
@@kurocknotabi Sure this is all a big scam to make your kids trans. I mean, come on, bro..
Another thing missing from RoP is a concept of time, characters teleporting across middleearth.
People who think LOTR is far right extremist anything are bonkers out of touch.
Many have gone so far to the left that anything to the right of Mao appears "far right" to them.
It's funny because Sauron is about control, modernisation and order (like Hitler) and the entire thing is about defeating him
@@christopherpekel6096 Sauron would say he was bringing order for the safety of middle earth. Like democrats.
@@Critter145 That sounds more like Trump than the democrats to me, but, I think both are disgusting so, I don't really care.
@@Critter145Sauron is more the 3 Reich and their evilness.
Rings is just Amazon trying to make a "Game of Thrones" style series with a Middle Earth backdrop. The multiple POV characters, romantic interests, battle set pieces, all according to the GoT playbook.
I saw the "Sanctions" sign and everything he said about LOTR was completely predictable. These folks think they're the first ones to ever imagine their brilliant leftist cliches.
They don't like things because other people like them its like reverse projection. I have a friend like this basically a professional contrarian
I don't get it. What's wrong about standing up against genocide?
@krux02 100%. I don't get what this youtuber and a lot of these commenters are going on about. How about we _completely_ defund Israel. See how aggressive they are in the region then.
@@krux02 because they're isn't one. Maybe look into the numbers in some of the regional previous wars and get back to us.
@@_nebulousthoughts Not sure what your threshold is for a genocide. But from my observation of what is happening in Israel, it is a carbon copy of what happened to the Jews in Nazi-Germany. The reports exist. You can of course continue to deny that it is happening. Focus on numbers from non-trustworthy sources that will always stay below your arbitrary threshold for genocide. And therefore everything must be fine with what Israel does.
1:44 Tolkien HATED allegory, the story of LOTR is meant to transcend topics de jure of the time, they are meant to resonate to a greater sense of English identity. It doesn't matter if Daily Wire hosts like LOTR 70+ years later, what an insane take.
Allegory is not what you described here. A theme isnt allegory.
0:21 he played young Ned Stark, not Robert
Long story short, the trilogy hired professionals, the Amazon series hired activists. Hire professionals next time and you will have a higher chance to produce something of quality. Hiring activists just throws your money away...
I’ve never watched a show that felt less inspired. Just checked boxes checking boxes
ROP is Tolkien in name only. Its like putting a Lamborghini emblem on a Yugo.
More like on a flaming dumpster.
The success of Peter Jackson's Lord of the rings trilogy is proof there was no politics involved. If you wanna assume that Gandalf s upgrade to Gandalf the white is racist, and orcs represent illegal immigrants, that's your opinion.
It's a truly awful show, a mockery of one of the greats! Tolkien is cringing from above.
4:56 Thanks. Thats why according to my understating of reality I can not watch action movies with women punching guy twice her size or girl boss Galadriel doing warriors stuff
It’s hard enough to believe James Bond beating two guys his size, but at least you can believe it. The movie Ava with Jessica Chastain really did it over the top. She’s like 5”6 and weighs 50kg and was beating 4 guys at once twice her size with the same combat training as them, it was so stupid. That’s why there are weight classes in boxing and that
Galadriel could absolutely do action stuff. Elves.
But in terms of reality, women can be deadly and take on a man, but remember, in reality, no one conducts war by standing in front of them saying prepare yourself. Thats why ninja would use arson as a means to confuse the enemy as they would infiltrate a town or castle to accomplish their objective. Ninja also used women as assassins or for information gain, and usually they would be a geisha or prostitute to accomplish either objective.
In terms of LoTR, Galadriel being an elf gave her many phsyical benefits over humans; such as being faster, having better eyesight, living a longer life (wisdom and knowledge), and then having one of the 3 great rings amplified any of what she had and then gave her more with magic. Now, elves are not known for their strength, but their agility. So Galadriel could absolutely be a warrior, but she wouldnt block a sword with her own to glare at her enemy, she would riposte or parry the said strike to get her opponent off balance to give a wounding or fatal blow. This can be said for women nowadays, but everyone focuses on strength, not agiloty and knowledge. You punch a dude in the balls or poke his eyes or smash his nose, it will absolutely hinder that person. But in terms of combat nowadays, no one thinks that. The truth is this, women can take on men, but in order to do so, they must put forth much effort to gain knowledge of weak points and practice them
@@wardog5537 Does she has more bone density, muscles, and testosterone to fight like a man? Not even male elves. Completely absurd
@@Sarpiente have you read the books at all? And did you even read my reply lol
A high school level production would have been better.
anybody can survive a pyroclastic flow to the face when you have a tempest in you
Man I could listen to Warren talk about shit all day lol. Warren I think you should start a weekly or biweekly show on TH-cam where you just talk about stuff like this or have little debates and stuff for an hour or so. I’d definitely watch the heck out of it
Ah yes, The Rings of Powerless Men, featuring such relatable and enjoyable characters as Lord El-wrong, King Doughboy, Diversity Elf, the great smith Celebrim-boring, Short Mom (RIP), Peachfuzz, Queenie B (as in, "blind"), Sailor Guy, Sailor Boy, Sailor Boy's sister Boobs McGee, Other Sailor Boy, Scarface, Family Orc, Hobo Homie, Frodette, Samwise-antha, Prince Doorknob, his father King Doorknob, his wife Opera Dwarf, the Dark Lord Sneaky Boi - and of course, most important of all, the queen of light, the knower of all things, the wise, the powerful, the beloved, the independent she-elf who don't need no mortal Man: Guyladriel, slayer of ice trolls, dispenser of superior knowledge, source of all wisdom in Not-Middle-earth, capturer of evil gods' hearts, and (lest we forget) hardcore enjoyer of slow-motion horseback rides on the beach. Truly, the show that can be rightfully considered the great epic of our time, as attested to by the catastrophically low viewership numbers, the disdain of even the almost worthless mainstream media, and the complete and total disownership and rejection from the tens of millions of Tolkien fans worldwide who valiantly rose up in heroic defense of their beloved story, its world, and the man who brought it into being.
I hate that I can identify each of those characters. You have Trump’s gift for assigning true names
Watch the woke critic,he's hilarious too
I love all your nicknames, but "the Dark Lord Sneaky Boi" is a gem. It sounds like a mischievous house cat who breaks into the crunchy treats - which is about as cunning and dangerous as RoP's Sauron.
Rings of Power is an IDE parody of Tolkien's work. There's no way to take it seriously or digest it. A masterpiece of the absurd and the talentless.
Boy...!!!...did you nail it with this one...!!!...This adaptation, if it can genuinely be referred to as such, bears minimal resemblance to Tolkien's original writings. It embodies a "woke trope" that diverges significantly from the context established in "The Lord of the Rings" trilogy. This represents yet another cinematic misstep, as the political agendas of the disjointed left permeate creative venue and platforms...
If we would demonize every big achievement just because some people dont agree with the personal beliefs of the inventor, we would still sit in caves.
I refuse to take ROP seriously.
Illogical???
Uh, in the 2nd episode the main character JUMPED INTO THE OCEAN because she's because and strong?? 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ This was always amateur hour writing
He played young Ned, not young Robert.
He corrected himself with an overlay and probably made the mistake because the actors name is Robert.
Perhaps you should think before posting.
I tried to watch season 1 just so I could see a visualization of the earlier lore. I tried to ignore the bad acting and illogical character developments to get through it but It was just too bad to watch. As I suspected season 2 will probably make it even more unwatchable. What a shame.
I believe in sanctions on Israel and also hate the Rings Of Power and don't believe that Tolkien is problematic. All politics leads to bad stuff.
Just proves that all people from all walks of life can be completely clueless about some stuff, but have good taste in literature;)
"this happens... and then". This made me recall a lecture from the South Park creators, Matt Stone and Trey Parker.
They had the exact same message as you did.
paraphrasing Matt - "If you have a *and then* in between your beats (storyline) you are f**ed.
Instead, you should have - this happens, *therefore* this happens.
*BUT* this happens, *therefore* this happens."
Every scene should follow and create momentum to the story. A scene should never be made if it doesn't add to the story itself. Looking at you, Family Guy
Some things are timeless, and cannot be "updated" for modern audiences, no matter how many billions you spend.
It really just looks like bad casting, in my opinion.
Looks fair, feels fowl. 👏
I didn’t last ten minutes on Amazon.
For me the highlight of ROP was in season 1. The epic battle of the tiny village with the combination pub/town hall/police station where a handful of villagers fought another handful of villagers. Ones and ones of people all at once in a massive combat scene. So dramatic and impactfull.
Rings of power is poor writing, acting, production, costuming, effects (with occasional good effect) and average score.
Actually the writing isn’t poor, it’s abysmal. Perhaps the worst writing ever put to TV.
Where did the money go?
Bezos is a smart man; surely he knew the ‘show runners’ are fools? Where’s the money??
The people that made that waste of money are the kind that through soup on famous historic art.
The reason it’s been so popular for so long is it’s timeless story. It reflects our world but doesn’t tie itself to any specific time or issues. You can take what you need from it.
Pretty sure that was young Eddard Stark, not young Robert Baratheon.
A high school production would probably put forth an earnest effort. This is a vindictive, arrogant, and deliberate massacre of the Professor’s works.
Theatre is an actor’s medium, film is a director/editor’s medium, and TV is a writer’s medium.
This show has the works of one of the greatest writers of the modern era as their source material and, yet - they have decided to toss him aside in favor their own committee-think and activist-driven sketches. And then they wonder why it’s not resonating with viewers.
I couldn't get through the first episode. I read The Hobbit and the trilogy at thirteen years of age and have a great fondness for the world Tolkien described. The Rings of Power takes place somewhere I don't recognize at all.
I’m so sickened by these intellectually dishonest illogical people. So sad to see them carry the flag of Palestine justice, it automatically discredits it.
I don't agree. Peoples view on world events has nothing to do with liking or disliking RoP or LoTR. I love JRRT and despise RoP. That says everything about my love of literature, respect for an authors legacy, and love god good story telling and nothing about my political views.
It's disappointing that this guy has been brainwashed into jumping on a nonsensical political band wagon.
RE: 4:00 I don't think "Rings of Power" was designed to reflect today's world, but instead was designed to reflect the producers' perception of the world. "Lord of the Rings" resonates with readers because it reflects the world and basic truths about the nature of the world. "Rings of Power" is a projection of the world based on the ideology of the creators. One describes the world as observed, the other prescribes what the world should be.
. . . and then I started to watch the rest of the video!
The broader issue is "Millennial creatives are mostly untalented".
I beg to differ because some high school productions are way better than this... 'stumbled' upon you content, about a year ago, and have been following your journey ever since. Keep it up, it's really good! Social media being as it is, nowadays, It's a breath of fresh air to listen to some rational discourse... 🙏
Damn, so I suppose my highschool teachers and university professors who had me study Tolkien were fascists. Wow. That explains... nothing. 😂
Really love how your channel is evolving. Keep up the great content!
The Rings of Power made the Hobbit movies look good.
The Hobbit films aren't bad, just bloated, misguided and forced.
Cut down to just the parts in the book, not a bad Hobbit film.
Jackson really was forced to try and recreate LOTR and probablyl, honestly felt like,he could incorporate some of the appendices and SHOW them in a way never done before but never stopped to think if he should, given the freedom and budget he had and the pressure to repeat success.
It would have been worth reiterating WHY asian and black elves don't make sense because many people don't (or claim they don't) seem to understand it.
The difference in quality compared to Game of Thrones or the original LOTR movies is something most critics are overlooking: One issue lies in the noticeably poorer production quality, everything from color grading, lighting, and cinematography itself feels like it’s trying too hard to imitate something it’s not. It’s as if inexperienced copyists are in charge, lacking the knowledge to execute the job properly. Time and again, the art directors, production designers and editors should have raised red flags, with someone stepping in to say, "hey that just doesn't work!" The lighting, in particular, is downright awful, often revealing an amateurish 90's TV approach, so many examples of this. Frankly, it feels like a significant percentage of the crew were diversity hires who were new to the job? That’s just an educated guess, not an actual fact of course.
What happened to all the colored people in between Rings of Power and Lord of the Rings? According to the show, Rings of Power happened before Lord of the Rings, but Lord of the Rings had no colored people except the humans under Sauron.
There was a 300 year period where the elves elected a high king Adolph Hitler.
There were at least three different races of hobbits with different skin tones in middle earth, along with other races of humans. The problem with the show is instead of doing that, and actually have different groups look different from each other, they just made every single group have an equal amount of white, black, Asian and Hispanic in it which looks stupid and breaks immersion. Diversity is often easy to achieve but Amazon and Disney haven't quite figured out that it's OK to have one group have the same skin tone.
That's one thing some people might use to call Tolkien racist, like he or anyone else you read or watched the movies and enjoyed them, really would care about. But, ironically, it feels just like those "foreign people" are representing the illegal immigrants and Sauron, the one controlling these people with false promises, is representing the current USA administration.
@@quigonlynn1 A group can have the same skin tone, just not white people.
@morganren2977 it does seem that way sometimes sadly.
The problem with reflecting "today's world" -- whose world? It's not just that LOTR reflected early medieval (or pre-Christian) Britain -- which ROP does not reflect at all. It's that the writers of ROP have a weird conception of "today's world" -- apparently a bunch a happy-sappy people free of race, tribes, or boundaries.
I ride the train to work with all different kinds of people, but my involvement with them ends there. I go home to a fairly homogeneous society. This has nothing to do with hatred of others, rather common bonds (culture, faith, ideology) with a certain group. ROP, in contrast, seemed like one big free-for-all, a place full of misfits.
To call ROP a glorified high school production is insulting to high school. The whole thing seemed like a bunch of immature acting and writing -- a sophomoric attempt to sound "heroic" or "mythical."
I grew up ten minutes away from Sarehole Mill, where Tolkien got his inspiration for the Shire, and where he looked over at industrial Birmingham and got his inspiration for Mordor. I also share a birthday with The Hobbit, I was born on the 21st of September 1998, which, not only was that the day The Hobbit was released (in 1937), but also it's the day before Hobbit Day which is both Bilbo and Frodo's birthdays. I am a Conservative, at least culturally, and I would consider myself to be an English Traditionalist, I am also a Christian...me and Tolkien also share something as mundane as having a proclivity towards English seaside towns for holidays over going abroad. Of course, then, I view Middle-earth as the author intended, as a mythos for the English people.
My point is, Tolkien's Legendarium means a lot to me. I view it as a part of English culture, it's more than just a mere fantasy, but the mythos that J.R.R Tolkien intended for my people - to see Amazon produce this slop which is laced with American sensibilities from America's current climate, using it as a skinsuit to convey allegorical messages from a culture war that was started in America, with causes that are imitated by the dolts and flatheads of my country who repudiate their own heritage, coupled with the reduction of Middle-earth as being nothing more than a brand or a franchise, honestly, it all makes me sick. It's sad knowing that this slop of a show is some people's first experience with Middle-earth, and I find that deeply regretable.
Young Ned
Excellent, Warren. All of Tolkien fandom is rejecting this nonsense that dares to drape itself in his nomenclature and geography. Other than mere photogenics, there is nothing Tolkien about RoP. Nobody likes it who has any claim to logic or who reveres the original creation of its author. Good work.
"All of Tolkien fandom is rejecting..." No they are not. I am a Tolkien fan, first introduced to the books in 1987 via the Bakshi Animated 1979 LOTR. I love ROP. I love the Bakshi version and I love the Peter Jackson version.
YOU, don't like it. You cannot speak on behalf of all Tolkien fans.
Never watched the show; never will either. Keep up the great work!
hear hear. easiest thing I ever done was not watching this show.
“Rings of power looks very fair but feels foul.” YES. The visuals are stunning- the costumes, the sweeping landscapes, the edifices. But the plot, the dialogue, and the characters are all so unlikeable, it’s painful to watch.
OK, if we are squaring off with those who love Lord of the Rings on one side and those who think its problematic on the other, I proudly side the the former.
For a second there I thought Celebrimbor was Lechter’s jailer nemesis Dr. Frederick Chilton.
Matt Walsh made a good point in saying that sequels are never good unless they are planned from the beginning. I think in my 44 years of watching disappointing part twos of some of my favorite movies he has a very good point.
I am a hardcore Lord of the Rings fan and I have read the book many, many times. Sorry to say that, but I find the trilogy of Peter Jackson even worse than the current series. My understanding is that such films that cost that huge amount of money have to be made in a way that even the dumbest customer can understand the story, and the interactions between the protagonists must rely on the most primitive emotions that everyone from 5 to 99 can resonate with. The first question I asked myself after watching Rings of Power was: Where has all the money gone? So my advice is: Forget about the films, read the books!
There's an expression, "Don't ascribe to malice what can be ascribed to stupidity." However, too many people think this means anything can be ascribed to stupidity. Not with the modern entertainment industry. There are just too many "mistakes" for it to be a coincidence.
I've literally heard progressives say they would burn Star Wars, Tolkien, Warhammer, etc. to the ground if "conservatives" enjoyed it. That's malice.
I think the guys at the top of the entertainment food chain feel their worldview is crumbling and have adopted a scorched-earth policy before circumstances eject them from control of these ip’s.
My high school did a production of Lord of the Rings (filmed). It took a year to produce, and involved the cooperation of every department: the art club, drama club, senior orchestra, etc. That 40-minute production was better than Rings of Power.
Managed to get through about half of season 1, thought it was crap, bad acting,bad writing and riddled with identity politics.
Quite simply the disconnects were too much!
LOTR was an event. Every year we waited for the sequel. Afterwards we all got together and talked about how awesome it was. Now, nothing. Just mainstream media bashing fans for disliking this show
A high school play of LOTR would be infinitely better than this show. It might actually be entertaining.
Just the CHANCE of entertainment is more than rangz of prime has. Not to mention logic.
The problem with a lot of modern writing is that the writers cannot pick a side. They create such ambiguous characters that they cannot actually reach a victory between good and evil because they can "see things from both sides". Pick a side people...
I saw a comment that went something like, "Rings of Power is the strawberry bubblegum of Tolkien lore. It's sweet, and has some fun parts, but it has been so far removed from strawberries that it leaves us with zero 'nourishment'"
Good stuff man, you got a new sub.
Even if you ignore the political undertones from the leftist activist writers/creators, just the show itself is horrible. It feels like a bad CW show. The dialog is hilariously bad, the Dutch Angles are wat, the costumes look like costumes instead of actual clothes, it lacks the amazing music that's so integral to Jackson's trilogy. And on and on.
The actor was not young Robert in GoT, but young Ned.
He self-corrected with the text pop-up.
@@jackielogan9104 I didn't see that, guess I'll watch the video again :)
They're treatment of Sauron is the worst offence of all. Even more so than Galadriel. And that was bad enough
At least we can rest easy knowing that nothing in this show had anything to do with the Lord of the Rings..
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Bronwyn, in the first season, gets hit in the chest by an arrow (or two?) and in the next episode she's running around hugging people. Compare that to Boromir at the end of the Fellowship of the Ring. That blunder alone takes away the stakes... you see it again when Galadriel lives through the volcanic explosion. Why even care about what happens to the characters if they're invincible?
We already have a Masterpiece by JRR Tolkien and Peter Jackson, we should learn from it. But the people in Amazon says, no, we will destroy the Masterpiece and we will do our own.
I saw "rings of power" advertised on a billboard on my way to my local hardware and wondered.
It was on a platform I don't have access to. ThankFully.
I don't know why but listening to Warren makes me believe.
Lastly I did not know rings of power had anything to do with the Lord of the Rings.
Talk about dodging a bullet.
I really like your point at the end. I’ve had a lot of similar thoughts lately. The biggest problem with green screen seems to be that the more they’re used the more it impacts not only how the film looks obviously but I think how everyone working on it behaves. Only so many people can act really convincingly against a green screen. Only so many shots are going to be really perfect against a green screen. And you’re always going to miss those perfectly imperfect shots that weren’t planned but just turned out to be exactly what was needed in that moment for that scene. Practical effects and location shooting might be relatively lost arts though