I don't think it's a very hidden message all things considered, the devs themselves have compared eikons to nukes a few items afaik. I feel ppl will resonate with it more later just like with avalanche and ff7
I agree. I don't think it's a subtle metaphor, but I'm genuinely shocked to see nobody discussing how the ending relates to the environmentalism theme. Most folks are so caught up on whether or not the game was just a fairytale instead of thinking about the implications based on the thematic content. It's kinda awkward to see it missing from the discourse. The only explanation I can think of is that it's so obvious people aren't commenting on it, but I've seen people talk about the ending for hours on end and never once mention the environmentalist implications here.
I usually dont comment or giving my opinion online but I wanna say something tho so I gonna leave my entire thought of XVI here. The first time I knew the existance of XVI was around January last year, I actually careless about it until I got to watch the trailer and hype me up belongside totk. As time goes on I countdown my time and cant wait to play it and rewatch the trailer for thousand times expect the game to be masterpiece. I have played totk before playing XVI and I think i overhype it too much so i beat totk and still hype for XVI. The first demo came and it is phenomenal the character, graphic, music, combat,presentation in demo has me pre order no doubt expecting goty to be XVI. The time come and I have played XVI, i watch a tons of review praise it, I enjoy the the story so much as I spent my time focusing on main quest without doing anything eles. I have a blast with this game, I love the combat, the exploration, even the boring part still enjoyable to me, but as time goes on I start to realize that this is not what I expect, the story has turn from dark fantasy game of throne kinda style into full shounen story with power of friendship unite together fighting god. I know it a typical jrpg story but i expect some western style story from this game. The gameplay that i used to love becoming borring and bland as i play more of it. I quit the game after beating Odin and thought my time with this game maybe over. 2 months later i come back to this game, during that gap i have played ff7 remake (im sorry i think ff7 remake is mid and boring but gameplay is top notch) ff7 remake make me hate combat of XVI even more, it so shallow and just spamming buttons even i play with no ring entire game I. I came to finish the rest of XVI and come to love the story again. I read a tons of hate comment from ff group and has lead my thought into hating this game for a while. Anyways i still have a lot to discuss and share my perspective of the game, this is just bery short sum up of my opinion, it probably took me a day to finish this comment. Lastly, I love this game at luanch, hate it and quit, 2 months later cone back to finish and love it again. I gave this game 16/20, A tons shit load of flaws, but a tons shit load of good times. Ps.i forgot to mention about language in this game, i am non native speaker and very inexperience with english, the localization in this game is confusing af, it make me have a hard time following the story as the vocab choice is new to me and a word, grammar i never encounter before. I having hard time folloing the lore and world building so i think they should translate it with more easy word i'd say. Okay this is too long now, love your channel btw, happy new year!! Bye!
I've only watched the cutscenes and playthroughs, but I think that the game is very strong in terms of Story, Characters, Visuals, Music, Voice Acting, and Themes. Can't judge gameplay or exploration but given that I like XIII and XV, I doubt the linearity would bother me. I think it's excellent and XVI's Cid is probably the best Cid in the series, even topping my previous favorite, Cid from FFVII. This is a little mini essay. Chrono Trigger and FFXI vids coming out in 2024. : )
@@gregtroyanI also watched some gameplay so, I can't say much about it but the consensus is really split: from what I've saw, the ones who really enjoyed it are mostly the newer FF fans, meanwhile the ones who are disappointed are mainly the older JRPG fans, especially the ones that are loved the Squaresoft Era games. I've even seen people commenting on this game as if it killed their families, I mean, look at the FF main subreddit. So, yeah... the discourse around this game was.. toxic to say the least and opened my mind of how insufferable the FF fandom can be (sometimes).
@@cerealguy9979 Honestly, it's pretty wild to see the hate the game got from a story perspective. That's the part that shocked me the most. I was thinking to myself, "Okay, what do you want then?"
@@gregtroyanyeah. That's the thing, some fans that dislike some media refuse to acknowledge the good parts on it and straight up hate the whole thing. Unfortunately, that's happened to XVI as well. It's not a perfect game but there's a lot to love but some fans they treat it like if it's the worst game in existence, which is not. Yeah, the discourse before and after XVI was one of the worst in gaming imo. And don't start me on the endless self headcanons, disinformations and copium they have on this franchise.
@@cerealguy9979 It was a shame to see. It's fascinating to see that evolution from positive to negative happen in real time. I think XVI will age favorably. Hopefully.
Square is so dumb. "Let's release Final Fantasy Stranger is paradise! Oh? The big catch? THIS IS THE ORIGINS OF FINAL FANTASY!" "Let's release Final Fantasy 16! Oh? The big catch? ITS THE Origins OF FINAL FANTASY!" Meanwhile Fans: *mmm yummy give us more!*
Wow, Greg is a lot of things, but not a "moron." I vouch for Greg's intelligence. This is what happens when Greg focuses too much on video games in his content and not enough on music! Little keyboard warriors need to know this is not the channel for them. Take that crap elsewhere. Stay safe tonight everyone. Best thing to do is cuddle up with someone you love and pop a bottle at midnight.🍾 Greg, you can get good non-alcoholic champagne. Wish you and your wife a Happy and Safe New Years!🎊🎉🥂
I don't think this is about "environmentalism" as much as you think it is (even if it really is). There are numerous other themes that are way more prevalent...which is why no one is talking about an "environmentalism" message. God people are obsessed these days.
There are other themes in the game that are more prevalent, but that doesn't mean that people are missing out on what the ending says about environmentalism, which is a major theme of the game. Two things can be true at once: the game's main theme isn't environmentalism, but it is a major theme in the game and the ending makes a statement on the subject.
@gregtroyan Hard disagree. I don't think that's what it's saying at all. Sometimes people can just tell a story and it doesn't have to fit into some modern day political bull****. I remember the director of Wall-e said something to that effect years ago when people were praising it for it's so-called "environmentalist" message. Plus from what I gathered from the story it's the existence of the crystals themselves that is bringing blight on the land, not anyone's use of them...which would totally wouldn't fit into any fossil fuel message. I read somewhere (can't remember where) that it had more to do with nuclear weapons, which would make more sense and I could see. Either way if I was going to take a message away from this game (not that the environment message is completely absent mind you), it sure as hell wouldn't be environmentalism.
Sometimes people can tell a story without a political message, but sometimes a story is told and there's also a political message, even if you disagree with the message. Final Fantasy VII was also environmentalist, and that was back in the 90s. Are you the kind of person that uses the term "woke" unironically?
the important of post credit cutscene is the book not the environment, they focused too much on the book, and the mom calling it a "silly story"..., at first i was thinking that either Clive wrote the book using Joshua name, or Jote and the undying wrote it... but now i'm thinking that the story of FF16 didn't actually happened, and you just playing a charcter named Clive in a book called "Final Fantasy" writing by someone named Joshua..., but here's the twist there are two books the one with a happy ending and one with a bad ending... i will wait to see if they change the ending of the game in the Rising Tide DLC with Levatina !!!
The book is important in terms of narrative, the environmentalism part is important in terms of theme. Both are important, but people are so focused on the book they can't see the forest for the trees.
@@cerealguy9979 He only ever played VI and insists it's the best one despite never having played any of the other ones. Because that makes sense, hahaha.
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I don't think it's a very hidden message all things considered, the devs themselves have compared eikons to nukes a few items afaik. I feel ppl will resonate with it more later just like with avalanche and ff7
I agree. I don't think it's a subtle metaphor, but I'm genuinely shocked to see nobody discussing how the ending relates to the environmentalism theme. Most folks are so caught up on whether or not the game was just a fairytale instead of thinking about the implications based on the thematic content. It's kinda awkward to see it missing from the discourse. The only explanation I can think of is that it's so obvious people aren't commenting on it, but I've seen people talk about the ending for hours on end and never once mention the environmentalist implications here.
So the discussion of Clive's survival will always be more important.
i just want to know clive joshua dion, are they still alive after defeat ultima?
Probably.
I usually dont comment or giving my opinion online but I wanna say something tho so I gonna leave my entire thought of XVI here.
The first time I knew the existance of XVI was around January last year, I actually careless about it until I got to watch the trailer and hype me up belongside totk. As time goes on I countdown my time and cant wait to play it and rewatch the trailer for thousand times expect the game to be masterpiece. I have played totk before playing XVI and I think i overhype it too much so i beat totk and still hype for XVI. The first demo came and it is phenomenal the character, graphic, music, combat,presentation in demo has me pre order no doubt expecting goty to be XVI. The time come and I have played XVI, i watch a tons of review praise it, I enjoy the the story so much as I spent my time focusing on main quest without doing anything eles. I have a blast with this game, I love the combat, the exploration, even the boring part still enjoyable to me, but as time goes on I start to realize that this is not what I expect, the story has turn from dark fantasy game of throne kinda style into full shounen story with power of friendship unite together fighting god. I know it a typical jrpg story but i expect some western style story from this game. The gameplay that i used to love becoming borring and bland as i play more of it. I quit the game after beating Odin and thought my time with this game maybe over. 2 months later i come back to this game, during that gap i have played ff7 remake (im sorry i think ff7 remake is mid and boring but gameplay is top notch) ff7 remake make me hate combat of XVI even more, it so shallow and just spamming buttons even i play with no ring entire game I. I came to finish the rest of XVI and come to love the story again. I read a tons of hate comment from ff group and has lead my thought into hating this game for a while. Anyways i still have a lot to discuss and share my perspective of the game, this is just bery short sum up of my opinion, it probably took me a day to finish this comment. Lastly, I love this game at luanch, hate it and quit, 2 months later cone back to finish and love it again. I gave this game 16/20, A tons shit load of flaws, but a tons shit load of good times.
Ps.i forgot to mention about language in this game, i am non native speaker and very inexperience with english, the localization in this game is confusing af, it make me have a hard time following the story as the vocab choice is new to me and a word, grammar i never encounter before. I having hard time folloing the lore and world building so i think they should translate it with more easy word i'd say. Okay this is too long now, love your channel btw, happy new year!! Bye!
Thanks for the comment! I appreciate your thoughts and insights. I hope you have a wonderful new year!
Best,
Greg
Holy- a XVI content? Cool. Btw, your thoughts on FFXVI? From what I've seen and heard... probably the most devisive FF game right now lol.
I've only watched the cutscenes and playthroughs, but I think that the game is very strong in terms of Story, Characters, Visuals, Music, Voice Acting, and Themes. Can't judge gameplay or exploration but given that I like XIII and XV, I doubt the linearity would bother me. I think it's excellent and XVI's Cid is probably the best Cid in the series, even topping my previous favorite, Cid from FFVII.
This is a little mini essay. Chrono Trigger and FFXI vids coming out in 2024. : )
@@gregtroyanI also watched some gameplay so, I can't say much about it but the consensus is really split: from what I've saw, the ones who really enjoyed it are mostly the newer FF fans, meanwhile the ones who are disappointed are mainly the older JRPG fans, especially the ones that are loved the Squaresoft Era games. I've even seen people commenting on this game as if it killed their families, I mean, look at the FF main subreddit.
So, yeah... the discourse around this game was.. toxic to say the least and opened my mind of how insufferable the FF fandom can be (sometimes).
@@cerealguy9979 Honestly, it's pretty wild to see the hate the game got from a story perspective. That's the part that shocked me the most. I was thinking to myself, "Okay, what do you want then?"
@@gregtroyanyeah. That's the thing, some fans that dislike some media refuse to acknowledge the good parts on it and straight up hate the whole thing. Unfortunately, that's happened to XVI as well. It's not a perfect game but there's a lot to love but some fans they treat it like if it's the worst game in existence, which is not.
Yeah, the discourse before and after XVI was one of the worst in gaming imo. And don't start me on the endless self headcanons, disinformations and copium they have on this franchise.
@@cerealguy9979 It was a shame to see. It's fascinating to see that evolution from positive to negative happen in real time. I think XVI will age favorably. Hopefully.
who survived? clive, joshua and or dion? 😅
I think Clive and Joshua.
Square is so dumb.
"Let's release Final Fantasy Stranger is paradise! Oh? The big catch? THIS IS THE ORIGINS OF FINAL FANTASY!"
"Let's release Final Fantasy 16! Oh? The big catch? ITS THE Origins OF FINAL FANTASY!"
Meanwhile Fans: *mmm yummy give us more!*
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video
@@gregtroyan I didn't have to watch the video moron. I played the freaking games, Hahah!
Thanks for adding to the number of comments! 😁
Wow, Greg is a lot of things, but not a "moron." I vouch for Greg's intelligence. This is what happens when Greg focuses too much on video games in his content and not enough on music! Little keyboard warriors need to know this is not the channel for them. Take that crap elsewhere.
Stay safe tonight everyone. Best thing to do is cuddle up with someone you love and pop a bottle at midnight.🍾 Greg, you can get good non-alcoholic champagne. Wish you and your wife a Happy and Safe New Years!🎊🎉🥂
@@Michael----- Thanks fella! Happy New Year's!
I don't think this is about "environmentalism" as much as you think it is (even if it really is). There are numerous other themes that are way more prevalent...which is why no one is talking about an "environmentalism" message. God people are obsessed these days.
There are other themes in the game that are more prevalent, but that doesn't mean that people are missing out on what the ending says about environmentalism, which is a major theme of the game. Two things can be true at once: the game's main theme isn't environmentalism, but it is a major theme in the game and the ending makes a statement on the subject.
@gregtroyan Hard disagree. I don't think that's what it's saying at all. Sometimes people can just tell a story and it doesn't have to fit into some modern day political bull****. I remember the director of Wall-e said something to that effect years ago when people were praising it for it's so-called "environmentalist" message. Plus from what I gathered from the story it's the existence of the crystals themselves that is bringing blight on the land, not anyone's use of them...which would totally wouldn't fit into any fossil fuel message. I read somewhere (can't remember where) that it had more to do with nuclear weapons, which would make more sense and I could see. Either way if I was going to take a message away from this game (not that the environment message is completely absent mind you), it sure as hell wouldn't be environmentalism.
@@topcover7390 I'm sorry you are bad at media analysis.
Sometimes people can tell a story without a political message, but sometimes a story is told and there's also a political message, even if you disagree with the message. Final Fantasy VII was also environmentalist, and that was back in the 90s.
Are you the kind of person that uses the term "woke" unironically?
@@gregtroyan FF7 was way more environmentalist than this was...I just don't look hard for messages where they don't exist.
Save earth and be clive
2:06 i agree with you but, alot of people dont believe in global warming and what not. Its sad to say tbh.
It is indeed sad given the overwhelming evidence. A true oddity.
the important of post credit cutscene is the book not the environment, they focused too much on the book, and the mom calling it a "silly story"..., at first i was thinking that either Clive wrote the book using Joshua name, or Jote and the undying wrote it...
but now i'm thinking that the story of FF16 didn't actually happened, and you just playing a charcter named Clive in a book called "Final Fantasy" writing by someone named Joshua..., but here's the twist there are two books the one with a happy ending and one with a bad ending...
i will wait to see if they change the ending of the game in the Rising Tide DLC with Levatina !!!
The book is important in terms of narrative, the environmentalism part is important in terms of theme. Both are important, but people are so focused on the book they can't see the forest for the trees.
I dont care. I just want more confirmation that Clive is alive.
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Ho my godfather's riveting 😮😮😮
Kids these days love the environment.
Just to be clear, my post that got deleted said FF16 was a huge flop commercially and no one cares about FF16 at this point. The end.
The sales and the fans say otherwise but sure..
@@cerealguy9979 Michael is Mr. Positive on this channel. :P
@@gregtroyanI guess he's also a big 16 fan lol :/
@@cerealguy9979 He only ever played VI and insists it's the best one despite never having played any of the other ones. Because that makes sense, hahaha.
@@gregtroyanI like VI but even I know it's not the truth.