This is so validating. I remember attending a LA college for my undergrad in education and sitting in a methodology class trying to model Socratic teaching. The entire thing felt bunk, but we were role-playing like we were teaching fourth and fifth graders. This was the same year my entire reading methodology centered around Guided Reading. ::shakes head::
Yeah, Socrates definitely wasn't asking random questions. His genius was knowing the questions to ask and having the memory and discernment to recognize discrepancies in logical analysis. I found the dialogues fairly difficult to follow myself. Not something easy for young children to understand or replicate. Also these discussions usually were carried out with one or a few people. I'm trying to remember, but it seems to me he didn't think we were born with the knowledge of everything, he pointed out we have to learn certain knowledge such as vocational skills. I think he believed values and morals were innate. Perhaps much like the idea of natural law?
On the topic of innate knowledge, it could be argued, that it may exist in some form based on DNA. Not to defend what seems like a bad premise from Socrates but if this "knowledge of the forms" could be seen as an innate ability to reason which was derived through "reincarnation" (sounds silly but we are reincarnated to some degree, living things make living things, grow, divide, multiply, etc, as far as we can observe). So maybe our DNA, brains and or epigenetics can qualify as an inherited structure coded with inherited wiring to allow these answers to be illicited.
I don’t think any of you brought up that introverted, anxious students will not do well with Socratic discussion. The problem is not that they are unprepared, but that they are uncomfortable sharing thoughts others may not agree with. Not everyone is born a philosopher or attorney. My senior thesis in college looked at if altruism in children was innate. I think it is. I’ve watched my son very carefully, and there are right and wrong situations he has talked about that were not a result of anything I had taught him.
I was extremely introverted as a child & had bad anxiety every day of school. But the only time I spoke up & the most enjoyment I had as a student was when this type of discussion was had or if I found the opportunity to debate another student or even a teacher. As a homeschool mom I now see my son & daughter become incredibly engaged when we have these types of discussions. They are not free-for-all talks by any means. I definitely disagree with most of what these memoria press speakers have to say.
This is so validating. I remember attending a LA college for my undergrad in education and sitting in a methodology class trying to model Socratic teaching. The entire thing felt bunk, but we were role-playing like we were teaching fourth and fifth graders.
This was the same year my entire reading methodology centered around Guided Reading.
::shakes head::
Yeah, Socrates definitely wasn't asking random questions. His genius was knowing the questions to ask and having the memory and discernment to recognize discrepancies in logical analysis. I found the dialogues fairly difficult to follow myself. Not something easy for young children to understand or replicate. Also these discussions usually were carried out with one or a few people. I'm trying to remember, but it seems to me he didn't think we were born with the knowledge of everything, he pointed out we have to learn certain knowledge such as vocational skills. I think he believed values and morals were innate. Perhaps much like the idea of natural law?
On the topic of innate knowledge, it could be argued, that it may exist in some form based on DNA. Not to defend what seems like a bad premise from Socrates but if this "knowledge of the forms" could be seen as an innate ability to reason which was derived through "reincarnation" (sounds silly but we are reincarnated to some degree, living things make living things, grow, divide, multiply, etc, as far as we can observe). So maybe our DNA, brains and or epigenetics can qualify as an inherited structure coded with inherited wiring to allow these answers to be illicited.
Handwritten essays for the win! lol
You actually can know if a text was generated with chatgpt with online tools. Open AI made one...
I don’t think any of you brought up that introverted, anxious students will not do well with Socratic discussion. The problem is not that they are unprepared, but that they are uncomfortable sharing thoughts others may not agree with. Not everyone is born a philosopher or attorney.
My senior thesis in college looked at if altruism in children was innate. I think it is. I’ve watched my son very carefully, and there are right and wrong situations he has talked about that were not a result of anything I had taught him.
I was extremely introverted as a child & had bad anxiety every day of school. But the only time I spoke up & the most enjoyment I had as a student was when this type of discussion was had or if I found the opportunity to debate another student or even a teacher.
As a homeschool mom I now see my son & daughter become incredibly engaged when we have these types of discussions. They are not free-for-all talks by any means. I definitely disagree with most of what these memoria press speakers have to say.