I thought in the later seasons, the lighting, atleast in the palace, looked a little more authentic for the time period. In the earlier seasons it looked too bright inside.
I wish they had designed more gowns in those violet and purple shades for Nur. They look so stunning on her. In my opinion that entire outfit was one of the most gorgeous in the series. Also, is the same actor that plays Baby Mustafa, plays Mehmed?
@@sallybarnes365 that last sentence was the stupidest thing i’ve heard today and clearly you know nothing about acting. Nur isn’t a bad actress, her acting along with Selma & Nebahat were the best.
@@sallybarnes365 You sound a bit crazy .How is her mouth ugly or her acting poor. You are clearly too stupid to achieve anything worthwhile on screen or in life in general.
@@retke922 uhhh he had 5 kids with hurrem not mahidevra, he MAY have had a daughter who died before but mustapha is there only son. He had children with other women before mahidevra with gulfem (or who Gulfem represented in the show) who sadly all died. Mahmud - 1512-1521 Mustafa - 1515- 1553 Murad - 1519-1521 Raziye unknown -1521(?) In addition sulieman lost Abdullah from Hurrem. If she had Mahmud Mahidevra would have conceived at only 11 years old, unlikely to survive or go un damaged such as Lady Margaret Beaufort mother of king henry as an example.
Actually mahidevran wasn’t that important figure she was just a khatun not even a sultana her status stayed same even after suleymans crown prince died and mustafa became one
@@sallybarnes365 Wut? Of course they are. I know you dislike Mahidevran and that's perfectly valid, but stop putting halfassed, borderline absurd accusations.
@@sallybarnes365 ? Of course the flashbacks are real. They intend to showcase what the character presented has gone through in the past. By your logic, if flashbacks aren't real, the flashback with Valide saving Süleiman from the poisoned caftan also isn't real, which is flat out untrue since we have him mention it many times. To undermine the flashbacks, means to undermine the entire series. I know you dislike Mahidevran, but is it so difficult to accept that perhaps, Süleiman has felt something for her once, even if it wasn't love, just passion? (IMO) No, it doesn't. Besides, this flashback in no way downplays what happened later - SS forgot about Mahidevran right after Hürrem fainted in his arms and there begins your favourite self-proclaimed "fairytale-esque" love story.
@@jorgechavarria4799 So she still lived most of her life in sorrow and poverty. Watching her son buried outside in Bursa, the worse insult that can be leveled on an Ottoman prince, even Bayezid and his sons were buried indoors.
@@mariavi33 Oh I know... but just like the BBC series The Tudors, this was basically a soap opera based on history. Of course they had to throw in a "cat fight" love triangle. I do love the show love the color and pageantry of it but real life history is so much more interesting isn't it?
@@mariavi33 EXACTLY!! This bothers me so very much. .. in my spare time I am a living historian and historical re-enactor who specializes in the American Revolutionary period. So many of these historical movies and series have done so much of a disservice to the figures they are supposed to represent. Every event that I do it is something we fight constantly. The only saving grace is that sometimes they can drive people to pursue history and to really find out the truth. Honestly I will tell you that that is what magnificent century did with me. And I find the history far better than the show
Maria Vibo Mahidevran and Hürrem were only competitive through their sons to see who would take the throne. Suleiman and Mahidevran were never lovers, in fact she wasn’t even the mother of the eldest prince, Suleiman has two older princes who died off, giving Mahidevran and Mustafa the power. But Mahidevran was never a lover of Suleiman’s, it was always and only Hürrem.
@@mariavi33 u should check the chinese and kdramas too , it tells abt many empires , king and queens of that time.Ofc if you are interested in asian history
It's so strange how they introduced Mahidevran. She was "a slave" (those crazy times :/), a concubine, so she and Hurrem were equals, but they treated Hurrem horribly, even after she became a sultana, and Mahidevran like a queen or someone like that. :/
Yeah I just thought the same... Idk maybe because it was his mother who chose Mahidevran as his concubine (the same way Hurrem later in the series was chosing her sons consorts) and bcs of that they all favoured her. And maybe bcs Mahidevran gave birth to his first son and crown prince. Or maybe bcs this is a show and they just wanted to add some spice and drama.
@@kokos1209 That's an interesting explanation. I think both solutions might be true. But still it's a bit strange how Suleyman's mother keeps saying about traditions and then break them only to humiliate Hurrem. :/
No..not just a slave....she was the first women of Suleiman, his first chief consort, the Hasiki sultan, mother of the eldest prince of the dynasty therefore she was the second of the position in haram after valide sultan. Unfaithful Suleiman cheated and ignored her after becoming the Sultan and ascending the throne and later gave the Hasiki tittle to Hurrem or lets say Hurrem was smart enough to seize it from Mahidevran.
@@slnjaiswal Uh not, not exactly. The only problem with this show is that it's historically wrong on many segments, even if it's greatly entertaining. Here's the historical fact: Mahidevran Hatun was not and could not possibly be a Haseki Sultana, because the title 'Haseki' was created by Sultan Suleyman especially for Hurrem Sultana. Before Hurrem became the Haseki Sultana, that title did not exist. The Haseki Sultana means the woman who is legally and officially married to a Sultan, and Hurrem was the first ever concubine to actually marry an Ottoman Sultan. And also, Mahidevran has never officially held the title Sultana, her name is written like 'Mahidevran Hatun' everywhere in the old documents and 'Hatun' means lady. Also, before Hurrem became Haseki, and after she gave birth to the prince, she and Mahidevran were completely equal in status. They were both slaves (and a concubine remains slave until the Sultan frees her, and Suleyman never freed Mahidevran but did free Hurrem later) and both gave birth to a prince. In Ottoman Empire it wasn't about the firstborn prince, it was about the prince who will success the throne. If princes are of similar age, they would fight for the throne after (or even before in some cases) their father dies. It didn't matter if you are the firstborn prince, you couldn't success the throne if your brother kills you. If you fight your brothers and win, you show your competence to rule and be the next Sultan. I hope this helps. (I study history)
Despite everything that came later, I still love that little flashback between Mahidevran and Suleiman. It's interesting too because, if the show were being accurate instead of trying to depict that it was natural for harem women to continue to sleep with the sultan after the birth of a son, this is probably exactly how Suleiman would have treated Mahidevran. With warmth and respect, but nothing overtly intimate.
@@kikima258 If you mean Mahidevran then I don't think that's correct? The only children born during Suleiman's reign as sultan were Hurrem's. He had another daughter from *before* he became sultan, Raziye, but she died with his other older princes a little after he became sultan and it's unlikely her mother was Mahidevran.
@@Redluna32 theire are other historians who claim otherwise why would they tell such a lie? It makes no sense it's very possible she was her daughter as sulaiman monogamous relashinship with hurrem only started after theire marriage
@@kikima258 If you can find me sources for those historians I'd be more inclined to believe you. And, actually, in the rush of this shows popularity, many fake historians came out of the woodwork to edit Wikipedia with rumors and the like---many of which have since been disproven. So, if you're asking why people would lie...because they want to? Regardless, there are two reasons to make this highly unlikely, the first being that there are no marks in the privy purse registers of a daughter being born to the sultan around this time. The only mark we see in the registers is the recorded death of a princess in 1521 and, from then on, there are no other princesses mentioned outside of Mihrimah. The second hint is how Mahidevran is listed in these registrars as only the mother of Mustafa and has a lower daily stipend then the other women in Suleiman's princely harem who had given birth to his older sons. If she were the mother of another child, we would have seen an increase in this allowance for care of that second child alone.
@@Redluna32 can you please give me the sources where the private registers are mentioned? I would love to have a look on them and get to know the details
I think she is rude to Gulfem in the begging era of the show because Gulfem was Suleyman's first concubine and gave birth to twins. ( But they died as babies)
@@kokos1209 she is! I think either in the same episode or a following one, she tells Gulsha that Gulfem was Suleman's first woman and she just hangs around the harem now. I mentioned that Mahidevran did not have to be rude to Gulfem now. Obviously she wasn't treated like a queen by either valide or suleman and it irritated her... I find Mahidevran as a person who wants to be constantly praised and worshipped...
Mahidevran was showing her true colours when she was around people who were lower rank than her eg Gulfem and her servants. Hurrem was always respectful to those nice to her.
Mahidevran was bothered by valide here and nobody actually like their rivals. But don't try to paint Hurrem as saint. Hurrem wasn’t always respectful to those whom was nice to her. She used Nigar and her daughter when Nigar was the one who helped Alexandra the most to became Hurrem. She even burns Gulnihal face now don't say this Gulnihal betrayed her there was nothing like betrayal because Gulnihal was Suleiman's slave not Hurrem's and she has the full right to go in Suleiman's chamber. Hurrem unjustly dismissed a slave girl without any investigation who was blamed by Mihrimah to broke her crown and there was many more like this. So no one was angel in the palace specially Hurrem.
i really feel bad how Mahidevran lost everything, but I notice that she is a sad creature unlike others, maybe its her sad/whiny nature which made the king forget her.
Yeah she said to hurrem 'one day you're going to make a mistake and hand the new woman right into his arms with your own hands'. Hurrem was a tough contender but Mahidevran did herself no favours!
@Creative- she isn’t a sad whiny creature . Henry the 8th & Suleiman had similar personalities. Spoilt & groomed to think they were demigods . Hurrem was just a bit more aggressive & manipulative to get her way . If Suleiman showed fairness he should have treated them equally to avoid the hatred & drama . But some men who practice polygamy are like this . He didn’t even bother when Princess Isabella went missing .
@@DimSK. Sure she is like Hurrem is an angel. Pls hold off that silly talk. She isn't evil. Who has she killed in the series so far? She had Mehmet poisoned to protect the throne for her son. You think Hurrem won't do same. They play all these games cause of power struggle. Hurrem did far worse in these series over time. She became the monster her mum's ghost warned her about.
After watching the series for 4th time (kind of, probably more) I just noticed that Mahidevran's and Suleiman's relationship was already beginning to chill in Manisa. That's why she has a sour expression in 1:28, she knows Suleiman doesn't love her as before (even before Hurrem appeared)
Disagree… Hurrem was much more beautiful. Her striking red hair and gorgeous smile. Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder but Mahidevran was always so sullen it is hard to see any beauty.
Yes, but sometimes it's not enough to gain happiness. Due to historical information Hurrem was not as beautiful as Mahidevran, but she was smart, she was interested in sultan's library, she was educating herself and she was very joyful on the contrast with always depressed Mahidevran
It's bad that Suleiman already treats Mahidevran like a stranger. She didn't even do anything yet. These kinda behaviours provoked both Hurrem and mahidevran to cause troubles in the harem.
Mahidevran actually raised her child very calmly and with love unlike hurrem... She gave all the positive vibes to him unlike hurrem busy in bringing more and more child so as to increase her supprt
Are u sure about your statement as far as i have observed she was always complaining and crying infront of mustafa.She actually destroyed relation between mustafa and suleiman. On the contrary hurrem never involved her children in any politics and that helped her the best
@@abihasamar512 not to forget hurrem never allowed her children to speak against suleiman as he is their father and king even when she was cross with him , she never involved her sons in harem matters ( for mihirimah it was natural , she lived there after all ) , she never plotted to put her son on throne even if suleiman was just about to die many times and when sah played her game of lies .
No , jewellery is for whom it suits like the ring was for whom even suleiman didn't know but he chose hurrem for that , necklace for isabella even if she was just an attraction and ring for firuze
Spoiling of Mustafa and turning him into brats started from episode one ........after seeing later episodes and kosem story I feel if these princes are separated from mothers most of the problem would have been solved
Exactly in harem system it is sultan who is to blame as he lost interest in one women when another arrive but unfortunately not only then but even now women blame another woman to "steal" their husband or boyfriend. I mean no one can "steal" someone from you if they don't want to go to another person.
All Mahidevran lovers cn see her weird mean bhvr with Gulsha who is such humble lady...for just a show piece ..she welcomed her and she misbehaved ! Now Hurrem is nowhere.. otherwise PPL would hv dragged her like palace women😂
I would have never been in her place first of all and second thing with revenge in return one only get revenge and hatred. Greed for power and position destroys everybody. And if I would have been in suleimans place even if I would have been attracted to other lady would have never ignored my first wife and mother of my child. And referreing hurrems nature she was the one who sparked the idea of stealing her husband as she discussed in the very episode. And being a loyal wife every woman is concerned about losing their husband specially if there are women around who are willingly ready to lay down with the king for the never ending greed of becoming the chief consort and also securing their position in future if they bear a prince. Guess u r not aware with the staring episodes. First do some home work and then go a debate you silly woman. And btw what would you do if you find out that your husband was sleeping around with another woman bearing children with her and ignoring you and your child. Then you would realise. May be it is ok for you to give away your husband for another women. But in our culture and religion it is unacceptable we consider such woman as witches and would rather slay them if they dare to look into our husband
And also sleeping with the king brainwashing him against his family doing conspiracies against his loyal people and his crowned prince what type of revenge is this? This is karma she had to suffer because she was a sinner. Get it. Had it been about revenge then she should have conspired to slay the king who was responsible for the loss of her family and fiance. But after seeing the palace and the wealth she easily forgot everything. But this was not for love but for the never ending greed she had within her.
6:13 in translation in English, write the first letter of Allah capital in Masha'Allah,u should correct ur mistake by editing it and just take care of that always
Hi! Just a small explanation💕 In Turkish grammar, compound words are written adjacent around certain rules. This includes the rule of all Arabic origin words are written adjacent and only the first letter of the word can written with capital. For this reason, Turkish people type “Maşallah” instead of Masha’Allah. So, translater did’nt mean to be rude or careless. It is just how we do:) Hope this helps!
Mahidevran is arrogant from the onset and had it been she got the support of Suleiman just as hurrem she would have maltreated many people in that palace. She also corrupted her son's mind with the love for the throne
@@retke922 Nope, royalty from other countries was not permitted in the harem during this time because concubines could only be enslaved women. Free women under ottoman islamic/muslim law could not sleep with a man unless married, additionally they used this system so there wouldnt be royal ties to other famillies who could influence the sultan or try to "puppet" any offspring who might come to the throne. This is why when hurrem asked to be freed she had to marry sulieman to remain with him. Mahidevra was never married to sulieman and never freed, therefore she literally could NOT be a princess.
@@charlottemunday7311 A slave women is prohabited to be a slave unless they were a captive from war same with men which was not the case for the girls . They were kidnapped. A slave women should not be forced to sleep with the master. Wether someone is a slave or not they should not be force to intimacy or do it before marriage unded the islamic law. Be careful what information you share because this is false. The ottomans were muslims however they had many practuces that were not islamic. You can say it was used when it was beneficial to them.
@@zeinabb3628 Mate i hear you but i do think its obvious i'm talking in specific detail of this particular culture during this particular time, their choice pick of the rules. As in those particular rules "happened then" in the specific time period the video and the historic person Mahidevra was based on. You know... who we are talking about. I'm not establishing the rules of islam and muslims today or how they changed over the next few centuries. Ottomans picked and choosed and changed stuff as they wanted (Sulieman breaking the mould to marry for example, Ahmed refusing to execute his brother later for another).
@Hope Logan I should have specified, you leave 1 word out (slave) and suddenly everyone has to comment. Mahidevra was likely not married/royal (like Ayse who has clear origins, she is mother os Sah and Beyhan) as she recieved only 4 aspers per day (according to the historical records) which as a free woman and a mother would have entitled her to much more. There were 3 other women listed (i forget) who were recieving 3 aspers if i recall (its been a LONG time since i saw the archives).
mahidevran is just different from hurrem. Hurrem knows how to support her husband and doesn't love him for his money. Mahidevran only thinks about money when Suleyman almost died, while Hurrem walked around with a vial of poison in her chest, that if Suleyman died she would commit suicide.
Since suleyman didn’t care a fig about her anymore, why should Mahidevran? And like carrying poison around andcplanning on leaving your kids behind because you have some psycho obsession with your sultan husband is normal…
The only episode Mahidevran was genuinely happy🙂 I feel bad for her.
I loved the fact that with each season the colors and the lightning gets darker
Yeah they prepare the coming mood of last season.. darkness, black and sadness.
I thought in the later seasons, the lighting, atleast in the palace, looked a little more authentic for the time period. In the earlier seasons it looked too bright inside.
"Mahidevran" and "Hurrem" are such unique names. not many in the world would have such names.
If you woull have 2 daughters in the future name them first mahidevran (bcz she was 1st in history also) and than hurem.
@@rarexainab3879 🤣😂
@@rarexainab3879 😂😂
Mahidevran is such a pretty name
When I started to see the series, Mahidevran was difficult to spelling! Hürrem in my language (Greek) spells "Hara", which means "joy"!
I wish they had designed more gowns in those violet and purple shades for Nur. They look so stunning on her. In my opinion that entire outfit was one of the most gorgeous in the series.
Also, is the same actor that plays Baby Mustafa, plays Mehmed?
No Mehmet and Mustafa had different actors in the show while they were little kids
Alex Pirela yes Nur should have the most beautiful gowns she needs help
Alex Pirela Nur had all the best outfits and jewelry and hair do’s.Still she had a mouth that was ugly.poor acting
@@sallybarnes365 that last sentence was the stupidest thing i’ve heard today and clearly you know nothing about acting. Nur isn’t a bad actress, her acting along with Selma & Nebahat were the best.
@@sallybarnes365 You sound a bit crazy .How is her mouth ugly or her acting poor. You are clearly too stupid to achieve anything worthwhile on screen or in life in general.
It's unbelievable, how quickly Suleyman forgot all this wonderful moments he lived with Mahidevran and treated her as a stranger!
And 5 children he had with Mahidevran!
Last child was born when Suleiman already had his first child with hurrem..
@@retke922 uhhh he had 5 kids with hurrem not mahidevra, he MAY have had a daughter who died before but mustapha is there only son.
He had children with other women before mahidevra with gulfem (or who Gulfem represented in the show) who sadly all died.
Mahmud - 1512-1521
Mustafa - 1515- 1553
Murad - 1519-1521
Raziye unknown -1521(?)
In addition sulieman lost Abdullah from Hurrem.
If she had Mahmud Mahidevra would have conceived at only 11 years old, unlikely to survive or go un damaged such as Lady Margaret Beaufort mother of king henry as an example.
@@charlottemunday7311 he had 3 or 4 children with mahidevran which are not series. 2 sons and 1 or 2 daughter
Because she was a stranger. Her behavior pushed him away
Actually mahidevran wasn’t that important figure she was just a khatun not even a sultana her status stayed same even after suleymans crown prince died and mustafa became one
This is the only episode where mahedevra is happy
The way Such Suleyman welcomed Mahidevran showed that something has already been wrong between them
Exactly!!! I saw this too!
There is nothing wrong. But the fact is Suleiman is ashamed with his past timings of prince
No love left between mahidevaran and Sultan Suleman it seems
Dear God Mahidevran is stunning ❤️😍🔥
So sad mahidevran was always with mustafa and then she lost him
Mustafas words here are so sad he asks mahidevran how he wont find her and mahi says she will always be with him.true until he went off to suleiman
I don’t understand he went to who
True he may have loved her or had love for her, but look at how he acted when she first arrived. He was distant.
I love those flashbacks
It showes he was not forced to be with mahi and really wanted to be with her and loved her
In real history, he didn't ingore her so much, like in the series.
Mary Mf flash backs aren’t real
@@sallybarnes365 Wut? Of course they are. I know you dislike Mahidevran and that's perfectly valid, but stop putting halfassed, borderline absurd accusations.
Mary Mf no
@@sallybarnes365 ? Of course the flashbacks are real. They intend to showcase what the character presented has gone through in the past. By your logic, if flashbacks aren't real, the flashback with Valide saving Süleiman from the poisoned caftan also isn't real, which is flat out untrue since we have him mention it many times. To undermine the flashbacks, means to undermine the entire series. I know you dislike Mahidevran, but is it so difficult to accept that perhaps, Süleiman has felt something for her once, even if it wasn't love, just passion? (IMO) No, it doesn't. Besides, this flashback in no way downplays what happened later - SS forgot about Mahidevran right after Hürrem fainted in his arms and there begins your favourite self-proclaimed "fairytale-esque" love story.
I love the way Gülfem checked Mahidevran! She is something fierce
Even the atmosphere was so warm including the lightings as well back then. Every thing has changed now. Toxic
Fun fact
Mahidevran the only character here,who lived more then 80 years...Consider that in 16th century was bad medicine..
But most of it as a dirt poor rejected being.
@@kayodewa well in her last days, Selim II forgive her and gave her an important amount money to live.
@@jorgechavarria4799 So she still lived most of her life in sorrow and poverty. Watching her son buried outside in Bursa, the worse insult that can be leveled on an Ottoman prince, even Bayezid and his sons were buried indoors.
I hope is better than others so she did lived.... In her perspective she's right
She had lived 81 years
My heart breaks for Mahidivran
@@mariavi33 Oh I know... but just like the BBC series The Tudors, this was basically a soap opera based on history. Of course they had to throw in a "cat fight" love triangle. I do love the show love the color and pageantry of it but real life history is so much more interesting isn't it?
@@mariavi33 EXACTLY!! This bothers me so very much. .. in my spare time I am a living historian and historical re-enactor who specializes in the American Revolutionary period. So many of these historical movies and series have done so much of a disservice to the figures they are supposed to represent. Every event that I do it is something we fight constantly. The only saving grace is that sometimes they can drive people to pursue history and to really find out the truth. Honestly I will tell you that that is what magnificent century did with me. And I find the history far better than the show
Maria Vibo Mahidevran and Hürrem were only competitive through their sons to see who would take the throne. Suleiman and Mahidevran were never lovers, in fact she wasn’t even the mother of the eldest prince, Suleiman has two older princes who died off, giving Mahidevran and Mustafa the power. But Mahidevran was never a lover of Suleiman’s, it was always and only Hürrem.
@@mariavi33 u should check the chinese and kdramas too , it tells abt many empires , king and queens of that time.Ofc if you are interested in asian history
@@mariavi33 it was power to, and control
Damn Hatice was GORGEOUS here. And Gulfem is a boss.
It's so strange how they introduced Mahidevran. She was "a slave" (those crazy times :/), a concubine, so she and Hurrem were equals, but they treated Hurrem horribly, even after she became a sultana, and Mahidevran like a queen or someone like that. :/
Yeah I just thought the same... Idk maybe because it was his mother who chose Mahidevran as his concubine (the same way Hurrem later in the series was chosing her sons consorts) and bcs of that they all favoured her. And maybe bcs Mahidevran gave birth to his first son and crown prince. Or maybe bcs this is a show and they just wanted to add some spice and drama.
@@kokos1209 That's an interesting explanation. I think both solutions might be true. But still it's a bit strange how Suleyman's mother keeps saying about traditions and then break them only to humiliate Hurrem. :/
@@Kurczak00 Yeah... They probably added it for the drama.
No..not just a slave....she was the first women of Suleiman, his first chief consort, the Hasiki sultan, mother of the eldest prince of the dynasty therefore she was the second of the position in haram after valide sultan. Unfaithful Suleiman cheated and ignored her after becoming the Sultan and ascending the throne and later gave the Hasiki tittle to Hurrem or lets say Hurrem was smart enough to seize it from Mahidevran.
@@slnjaiswal Uh not, not exactly. The only problem with this show is that it's historically wrong on many segments, even if it's greatly entertaining. Here's the historical fact: Mahidevran Hatun was not and could not possibly be a Haseki Sultana, because the title 'Haseki' was created by Sultan Suleyman especially for Hurrem Sultana. Before Hurrem became the Haseki Sultana, that title did not exist. The Haseki Sultana means the woman who is legally and officially married to a Sultan, and Hurrem was the first ever concubine to actually marry an Ottoman Sultan. And also, Mahidevran has never officially held the title Sultana, her name is written like 'Mahidevran Hatun' everywhere in the old documents and 'Hatun' means lady. Also, before Hurrem became Haseki, and after she gave birth to the prince, she and Mahidevran were completely equal in status. They were both slaves (and a concubine remains slave until the Sultan frees her, and Suleyman never freed Mahidevran but did free Hurrem later) and both gave birth to a prince. In Ottoman Empire it wasn't about the firstborn prince, it was about the prince who will success the throne. If princes are of similar age, they would fight for the throne after (or even before in some cases) their father dies. It didn't matter if you are the firstborn prince, you couldn't success the throne if your brother kills you. If you fight your brothers and win, you show your competence to rule and be the next Sultan.
I hope this helps. (I study history)
Despite everything that came later, I still love that little flashback between Mahidevran and Suleiman. It's interesting too because, if the show were being accurate instead of trying to depict that it was natural for harem women to continue to sleep with the sultan after the birth of a son, this is probably exactly how Suleiman would have treated Mahidevran. With warmth and respect, but nothing overtly intimate.
She had another daughter with him she was born a few mounths after bayazid sulaiman didn't care about this rule
@@kikima258 If you mean Mahidevran then I don't think that's correct? The only children born during Suleiman's reign as sultan were Hurrem's. He had another daughter from *before* he became sultan, Raziye, but she died with his other older princes a little after he became sultan and it's unlikely her mother was Mahidevran.
@@Redluna32 theire are other historians who claim otherwise why would they tell such a lie? It makes no sense it's very possible she was her daughter as sulaiman monogamous relashinship with hurrem only started after theire marriage
@@kikima258 If you can find me sources for those historians I'd be more inclined to believe you. And, actually, in the rush of this shows popularity, many fake historians came out of the woodwork to edit Wikipedia with rumors and the like---many of which have since been disproven. So, if you're asking why people would lie...because they want to?
Regardless, there are two reasons to make this highly unlikely, the first being that there are no marks in the privy purse registers of a daughter being born to the sultan around this time. The only mark we see in the registers is the recorded death of a princess in 1521 and, from then on, there are no other princesses mentioned outside of Mihrimah. The second hint is how Mahidevran is listed in these registrars as only the mother of Mustafa and has a lower daily stipend then the other women in Suleiman's princely harem who had given birth to his older sons. If she were the mother of another child, we would have seen an increase in this allowance for care of that second child alone.
@@Redluna32 can you please give me the sources where the private registers are mentioned? I would love to have a look on them and get to know the details
Mahidevran didn't have to be so rude to Gulfem
I think she is rude to Gulfem in the begging era of the show because Gulfem was Suleyman's first concubine and gave birth to twins. ( But they died as babies)
@@kokos1209 she is! I think either in the same episode or a following one, she tells Gulsha that Gulfem was Suleman's first woman and she just hangs around the harem now.
I mentioned that Mahidevran did not have to be rude to Gulfem now. Obviously she wasn't treated like a queen by either valide or suleman and it irritated her... I find Mahidevran as a person who wants to be constantly praised and worshipped...
While I didn't like it either, I sort of found it more realistic then their odd, instant friendship without explanation that came later.
it shows Mahidevran was a loose on many levels. Gulfem was the confidant and Hurrem the lover. Mahidevran the rejected
She was rude but not to a great extent.
Back then when everyone is good and innoncent. I miss the old Hatije. If only she never get married to Ibrahim on this series...😌😌
Yes she went crazy and a bit evil
Her marriage with ibrahim in real life was actually still in debate because there were no evidence that proved their marriage
Mahidevran was showing her true colours when she was around people who were lower rank than her eg Gulfem and her servants. Hurrem was always respectful to those nice to her.
Mahidevran was bothered by valide here and nobody actually like their rivals. But don't try to paint Hurrem as saint. Hurrem wasn’t always respectful to those whom was nice to her. She used Nigar and her daughter when Nigar was the one who helped Alexandra the most to became Hurrem. She even burns Gulnihal face now don't say this Gulnihal betrayed her there was nothing like betrayal because Gulnihal was Suleiman's slave not Hurrem's and she has the full right to go in Suleiman's chamber. Hurrem unjustly dismissed a slave girl without any investigation who was blamed by Mihrimah to broke her crown and there was many more like this. So no one was angel in the palace specially Hurrem.
The actress who plays Mahidevran is beautiful
i really feel bad how Mahidevran lost everything, but I notice that she is a sad creature unlike others, maybe its her sad/whiny
nature which made the king forget her.
Yeah she said to hurrem 'one day you're going to make a mistake and hand the new woman right into his arms with your own hands'. Hurrem was a tough contender but Mahidevran did herself no favours!
THE TRUTH IS TOLD
@Creative- she isn’t a sad whiny creature . Henry the 8th & Suleiman had similar personalities. Spoilt & groomed to think they were demigods . Hurrem was just a bit more aggressive & manipulative to get her way . If Suleiman showed fairness he should have treated them equally to avoid the hatred & drama . But some men who practice polygamy are like this . He didn’t even bother when Princess Isabella went missing .
Mahidevran is evil.
@@DimSK. Sure she is like Hurrem is an angel. Pls hold off that silly talk. She isn't evil. Who has she killed in the series so far? She had Mehmet poisoned to protect the throne for her son. You think Hurrem won't do same. They play all these games cause of power struggle. Hurrem did far worse in these series over time. She became the monster her mum's ghost warned her about.
She is georgeus 😍😍😍
If only her life was too 😔
Yes 😍😍
After watching the series for 4th time (kind of, probably more) I just noticed that Mahidevran's and Suleiman's relationship was already beginning to chill in Manisa. That's why she has a sour expression in 1:28, she knows Suleiman doesn't love her as before (even before Hurrem appeared)
Love her or hate her but you can't deny that she was the most beautiful est woman sultan ever had.
Disagree… Hurrem was much more beautiful. Her striking red hair and gorgeous smile. Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder but Mahidevran was always so sullen it is hard to see any beauty.
Yes, but sometimes it's not enough to gain happiness. Due to historical information Hurrem was not as beautiful as Mahidevran, but she was smart, she was interested in sultan's library, she was educating herself and she was very joyful on the contrast with always depressed Mahidevran
It's bad that Suleiman already treats Mahidevran like a stranger. She didn't even do anything yet. These kinda behaviours provoked both Hurrem and mahidevran to cause troubles in the harem.
Grandma knew what she was doing here...
I am always on mahidevran side🥀
One last time when she was happy. 😭
Mahidevran actually raised her child very calmly and with love unlike hurrem... She gave all the positive vibes to him unlike hurrem busy in bringing more and more child so as to increase her supprt
Mahidevran was bad mother in series.
@@DimSK. shut up...in real also MAHIDEVRAN WAS BEST
Are u sure about your statement
as far as i have observed she was always complaining and crying infront of mustafa.She actually destroyed relation between mustafa and suleiman. On the contrary hurrem never involved her children in any politics and that helped her the best
@@abihasamar512 not to forget hurrem never allowed her children to speak against suleiman as he is their father and king even when she was cross with him , she never involved her sons in harem matters ( for mihirimah it was natural , she lived there after all ) , she never plotted to put her son on throne even if suleiman was just about to die many times and when sah played her game of lies .
Mahidevran too wanted more childs. But she lost her second child. Hurrem too has given values to all of her children
@ 6:15 you can already see Mahidrevans arrogance. Couldn't stand her character from the first episode.
Maybe if she had let him finish the ring he would have given it to her😂😂
😆ooh I was thinking the exact same thing.
It’s just a portrayal
Same thoughts 😭😂
Im crying 🤣🤣😭😭
She was just like SUPER impatient
So this ring was originally for Mahidevran?
Yes
No , jewellery is for whom it suits like the ring was for whom even suleiman didn't know but he chose hurrem for that , necklace for isabella even if she was just an attraction and ring for firuze
Mustafa is so cute and smart little boy.
Gulfam is most innocent after mustafa in this whole series
Yep
And the most loyal person to Suleyman's family than Hürrem and Mahidevran!
We just forgot mehmet 😑😑
@@itsaporineetareading9098 he was not born yet
@@rosekoufopoulou8973
Mpp
This makes 2 youtube videos I've seen of this series. Colorful characters, palace intrigues, and building story. I'm gonna watch this series.
Mahidevran's bad luck started from here... although it was her fault,still feel pity for her
Mahidevran is so beautiful!🥰🥰🥰😍😍😍😍😍👸😇🔝🌹👑💎
How happy she is here and how sad she is in the last episode
I feel so sad for mahidevran bcze she was rejected as soon as she came to palace.dis rejection led to d enmity between hurrem
mahidevran showed her cruelty even then when she was supposedly happy being rude to gulfem and her maids
2:16 I cherish the sounds of the gorgeous 🐎🐎🐎🐎horses and carriages 🎠🎠🎠🎠, thank you‼️‼️‼️‼️❗❗❗❗❗❗
Well the way mahidevran treated gulfem shows already a great hypocrisy since she wanted hurrem to respect her.
I hate how she treated Gulfem here... She deserves every suffering she went through! Couldn't she be a little bit nicer to Gulfem??
I also hated how hurrem treated her friend gulnihal
Can anyone tell me the name of this soundtrack during 5:03?
Only mahiiiiiii🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰😘😘😘😘😘
Mahidervan is very beautful
Spoiling of Mustafa and turning him into brats started from episode one ........after seeing later episodes and kosem story I feel if these princes are separated from mothers most of the problem would have been solved
Why was mahidevran so melancholic while arriving to the palace, she is weird.
She felt what was awaiting for her
I pity for mahidevran sultan, she's innocent and Suleiman has also did wrong for her
Innocent? Did u watch the series?
@@vixxp2856 more innocent than most, that's for sure, and more sympathetic
@@zeera7080 being weak is not equal to being innocent .
i love her 💛
How can child talk be mothers fault! ?
He certainly pick up many characteristic qualities and mannerism from his father!
When mahidevran reached Palace,sultan suleiman showed no interest in her...but she always blame hurrem for this !🙄
Exactly in harem system it is sultan who is to blame as he lost interest in one women when another arrive but unfortunately not only then but even now women blame another woman to "steal" their husband or boyfriend. I mean no one can "steal" someone from you if they don't want to go to another person.
Literally no interest at all
So cute a little Mustafa and pretty Mahidevran
I still like mahi personality more then hurrem. Her feelings are natural like every women but hurrem has devil inside her
Hurrem actually loved Suleyman.
Education and Fun for Kids Mahi was a dried up n no personality stiff ugly thing
@@sallybarnes365 whole world knows that mahi is classic and is more smart and good than hurem
Rare Xainab Mahi was a want to be sultana.no class very cheap
@@rory8348 so was Mahidevran.
Best character ever is mahi
You all see in Suleiman eyes there's no love for Mahidevran
It was Mahidevran's arrogance which destroyed her son, not Hurrem.
Shut up
Yes .hurrem only distory her sons
Mahidevran...pure soul ❤ her crime was her love
I feel bad for gulfem. She seems so sweet.
Bah don't she's evil, in later episodes she's a snake.
@@DimSK.Shut up
Better DAYS 😮😢
Gülfem was not as innocent as she looked.
mahidevran looks like feroze here
Thousands times more beautiful than firuze
@@iffatsharminislam7978 knoww better than you im just talking about resemblance
Once he loved her.Then the witch came...
Unfortunately...
This scene literally shows that he has no interests for her 🤣And it was before Hürrem went to his chambers
Men don't have minds right that's why people always blame another woman 😂
Yes sadly....😢😢😢😢
All Mahidevran lovers cn see her weird mean bhvr with Gulsha who is such humble lady...for just a show piece ..she welcomed her and she misbehaved ! Now Hurrem is nowhere.. otherwise PPL would hv dragged her like palace women😂
Wow...love this....wish hurrem didnt showed up...i loved mahidevran and sultan together...
Me too.....
Seems that Valide Hafsa was in charge of family matters and family expansion
Mustapha has been adorable since childhood up till the time he passes.
Mahi is always jealous,too rude& arrogant..
A sure& shot formulae for the downfall
*hurrem always jealous
Hurrem was most jealous and too much greedy here*🙄
Sah sultan degil mi o yaa son dakkalarda ?
Waiting for 2 episode
How easily suleiman forgot all those precious moments and his first wife after he met that witch
Every concubine was kidnapped and separated from their families. She was no difference than her hotness
I would have never been in her place first of all and second thing with revenge in return one only get revenge and hatred. Greed for power and position destroys everybody. And if I would have been in suleimans place even if I would have been attracted to other lady would have never ignored my first wife and mother of my child. And referreing hurrems nature she was the one who sparked the idea of stealing her husband as she discussed in the very episode. And being a loyal wife every woman is concerned about losing their husband specially if there are women around who are willingly ready to lay down with the king for the never ending greed of becoming the chief consort and also securing their position in future if they bear a prince. Guess u r not aware with the staring episodes. First do some home work and then go a debate you silly woman. And btw what would you do if you find out that your husband was sleeping around with another woman bearing children with her and ignoring you and your child. Then you would realise. May be it is ok for you to give away your husband for another women. But in our culture and religion it is unacceptable we consider such woman as witches and would rather slay them if they dare to look into our husband
And also sleeping with the king brainwashing him against his family doing conspiracies against his loyal people and his crowned prince what type of revenge is this? This is karma she had to suffer because she was a sinner. Get it. Had it been about revenge then she should have conspired to slay the king who was responsible for the loss of her family and fiance. But after seeing the palace and the wealth she easily forgot everything. But this was not for love but for the never ending greed she had within her.
hurrem isn’t a witch in fact she is the most powerful queen among them
And it is evident how she rose to power @tiararastogi
How could she behave so rude ?, what a pitty for the young Mustafa, rude too because that is what her mother fed in his young brain😏
Episode?
This is the first episode of the serie.
Lol at Suleiman's time , the word "music" wasn't used in Turkish . But here they use it.
Does that mahidevilran has a nasal problem? I heard malide instead of valide
Valide needs to calm down he just wanted to see his father is that a sin
6:13 in translation in English, write the first letter of Allah capital in Masha'Allah,u should correct ur mistake by editing it and just take care of that always
Hi! Just a small explanation💕 In Turkish grammar, compound words are written adjacent around certain rules. This includes the rule of all Arabic origin words are written adjacent and only the first letter of the word can written with capital. For this reason, Turkish people type “Maşallah” instead of Masha’Allah. So, translater did’nt mean to be rude or careless. It is just how we do:) Hope this helps!
I wonder if things would have been different if she'd let him finish the ring
Mahidevran is arrogant from the onset and had it been she got the support of Suleiman just as hurrem she would have maltreated many people in that palace. She also corrupted her son's mind with the love for the throne
Trying kill him n his baby mom. Smh n beat hurrem. Uo smh. Just to start was her own doing
Was mahidevran came as slave too?
She was a princess from Cocasis.
@@retke922 Nope, royalty from other countries was not permitted in the harem during this time because concubines could only be enslaved women.
Free women under ottoman islamic/muslim law could not sleep with a man unless married, additionally they used this system so there wouldnt be royal ties to other famillies who could influence the sultan or try to "puppet" any offspring who might come to the throne.
This is why when hurrem asked to be freed she had to marry sulieman to remain with him.
Mahidevra was never married to sulieman and never freed, therefore she literally could NOT be a princess.
@@charlottemunday7311 A slave women is prohabited to be a slave unless they were a captive from war same with men which was not the case for the girls . They were kidnapped. A slave women should not be forced to sleep with the master. Wether someone is a slave or not they should not be force to intimacy or do it before marriage unded the islamic law. Be careful what information you share because this is false. The ottomans were muslims however they had many practuces that were not islamic. You can say it was used when it was beneficial to them.
@@zeinabb3628 Mate i hear you but i do think its obvious i'm talking in specific detail of this particular culture during this particular time, their choice pick of the rules.
As in those particular rules "happened then" in the specific time period the video and the historic person Mahidevra was based on.
You know... who we are talking about.
I'm not establishing the rules of islam and muslims today or how they changed over the next few centuries.
Ottomans picked and choosed and changed stuff as they wanted (Sulieman breaking the mould to marry for example, Ahmed refusing to execute his brother later for another).
@Hope Logan I should have specified, you leave 1 word out (slave) and suddenly everyone has to comment.
Mahidevra was likely not married/royal (like Ayse who has clear origins, she is mother os Sah and Beyhan) as she recieved only 4 aspers per day (according to the historical records) which as a free woman and a mother would have entitled her to much more.
There were 3 other women listed (i forget) who were recieving 3 aspers if i recall (its been a LONG time since i saw the archives).
Gulfemga qilgan momilasini kurib bildimki maxidevranga buyam kam ekan
mahidevran is just different from hurrem. Hurrem knows how to support her husband and doesn't love him for his money. Mahidevran only thinks about money when Suleyman almost died, while Hurrem walked around with a vial of poison in her chest, that if Suleyman died she would commit suicide.
Since suleyman didn’t care a fig about her anymore, why should Mahidevran? And like carrying poison around andcplanning on leaving your kids behind because you have some psycho obsession with your sultan husband is normal…
That's a psychological problem. Not love. Or hurrem and mahidevran is not innocents
@@noonecan6988 ok that's right suicide is not ok but what is mahidevran then? money sick? gold digger? heartless
@@b.3049 hmmm okay but mahidevran is not okay either. she shares suleyman with everyone but with hurren she couldn't share it haha.
@@happinesslovee In which episode did Mahidev give priority to money over Sultan? Doesn't Hurum give importance to jewelery ??
Mahidevran treats gulfam with pride .. that is bad
Mustafa arslan parcasi
You're an Alpha lioness...or you don't exist. God, I hate this dynamic.
Poor mahidevran
Все-таки испортил он ей жизнь и даже сам не понял. Единственная серия, где она хоть немного счастлива
Hurrem broke this amazing family 😢
Suleiman did lol
So you are one of those people who believe that men are kids who have no mind of their own and any woman can "steal" them from their women 😂.
Yes😢😢😢sadly😢😢😢
Kind of sad
Suleiman and Mahidevran had a very peaceful life before Hurrem seduced him..
That's why she was brought there 😂
she was proud that her son has a rude mouth? nice one mahidevran
Than come 👑HURREM👑
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