Nice vid! This was my first PC, and I still have mine. It's in mint condition, but now sitting inside my garage. Paid $1400 new for it back in 1993. I also met my wife on it, in an AOL chat room and music posting area! I'm still married to her 20 years later, and have a daughter. THANK YOU 'Color Classic'... LOL!
AudiophileTubes Take it out while you still can before it damages the logic board. When you take it out, it won't remember time - but that is a small price to pay when compared to a corroded, unusable logic board stained with battery acid. TH-cam user BBISHOPPCM has a video of an SE that he bought that was totally damaged by a exploding battery.
1912RamblerFan01 Very true - I lost the logic board on one of my Colour Classics to that very problem. Thankfully, all of my other Macs were OK, as I removed the batteries before putting them into storage.
That was the Startup Sound of my very First Macintosh Computer when I had one as a child in Elementary school and they were doing a program to bring computers from the school into homes
Jason very nice demonstration of the mac color classic. I had one in 1993. The previous owner sold it to me saying the hard drive wasn't working. I purchased and opened it finding that a resistor looked bad and the area smelled like a PCB burn usually does. I re soldered it and put in a new one. If I had known that there was so much more expandability I would have kept it. I was a desktop publisher at the time and bought the machine for working on at home. Because of my poor knowledge of the machine and not real way of getting information for expanding it myself. I sold it. I am now on disability and would love one.
Awesome demonstration of a beautiful machine. The Color Classic is my favorite Macintosh of all time. I hope someday I can have the disposable income (or enough luck) to procure my own.
***** If you can find a working Color Classic for a reasonable price - go for it! I believe that the Color Classic and SE/30 are two of the best Macs ever (and certainly the best Compact Macs). However, the IIfx remains my all-time favourite.
I have a large collection of Sega, Nintendo, Sony consoles (including Commodore Amiga CD32, Panasonic 3DO, Sharp Twin Famicom etc), and Ive just started recently to collect these old beauties. Loving the videos dude, keep up the good work! First Mac i bought to start the collection was a graphite G3 running Tiger, and then a 5200CD Performa.
SuperDrive cut-out is unusual but there has to be some cut-out to let a person push the floppy disk all the way in to a non-auto-inject SuperDrive. Also the "Colour Classic" is cut out so that in other regions it could be called "Color Classic"
I have a PowerMac 5500, that has suffered from unknown corrosion, I have a spare logic board but I need to pick the machine up from the repair shop first!
***** I'm not sure how FoolProof works. Have you tried the programmer switch trick? This was a common way of killing At Ease. On any old mac with a programmer switch, you can force the computer to dump you back to the finder by typing in: SM 0 A9F4 G 0 ...Or alternately G FINDER can work too, which is the classic way people did it, but it's less reliable. Either way, if you can get to the finder with full access you can generally turn off whatever security it has in its control panel. There's also this: freaky.staticusers.net/textfiles/FoolProofHack.txt I'm actually surprised that site is still around, hah. It hasn't been updated since 2003ish.
dear jason i have a Macintosh Color Classic - 1993 its only been used 3 or 4 times kept inside the apple factory nylon inside the house and never exposed to moister or dust , its in brand new condition basicaly its brand new ( no use ) i was the first owner its no second hand unit ( had to power it up after 22 years to check on it ) and working perfecly ! i wonder if you know the value of it if i deside to sell it ( thank you very much in advance for any info )
I'm going to assume that of the vintage compact all-in-one Macs, this might be one of the better collectibles, supposedly? I mean, nothing against the original B&W screens, but somehow, to see a Sony Trinitron for color, as well as the expandability in this, it could be a step above the SE/30. Trying to think, though.
The SE/30 had a better system bus without the weird 10MB hard cap. It wasn't 32-bit clean, though, so it wouldn't run anything beyond 7.5.5. If anything were the pinnacle of the compact macs, it would be the Color Classic II, aka Performa 275. The Color Classic II was essentially the innards of the LC 550 in the case of the Color Classic. Sadly, they were only released in select countries, which did not include the US. Performance-wise, the Color Classic II was most similar to the LC III+, the later 33MHz version of the LC III. The Performa 550 was also based on this revision of the LC III, so it also has similar performance. Then again, with the Mystic upgrade (swapping out the logic board and back panel for the one from an LC 575), you could make either version of the Color Classic a decent beast. There are even upgrade instructions for putting a 5000-series logic board into the case of the color classic, but that's a more difficult procedure that's only worth it if you absolutely have to have the smaller design or don't want the larger (but inferior technology) display.
I have problems with my Mac Color Classic floppy drive. The disks will not fully seat inside the drive. When I push the disk into the slot, it goes about ¾ of the way but does not drop fully into the drive. I use a paperclip to safely remove the disk after each attempt. Do you have any idea what may cause this? If I need to replace the floppy drive where might you recommend I purchase a replacement? I live in the USA, any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
The "Color" Classic you show is, I believe, a "Colour" Classic, so one made for the European, rather than the American market. Or were some of those sold in any part of America (Canada, perhaps) also labelled with the "correct" spelling?
David Neale You are correct - this is a "Colour Classic", as it was sold in Australia. However, as most people search for "Color Classic" when looking for information on this model, I used the American spelling when naming the video. When sold in the US, they were badged as "Color Classic".
It's the first compact mac to have a built-in color screen. The first mac to have a color option at all was the Mac II, but that was neither a compact mac nor a built-in screen. The first Powerbook to have a color screen (the 165c) was released the same day as the Color Classic, so in reality they both share the honor of being the first macs with built-in color screens.
Good sir i think that second memory slot was not what you are thinking it was. It is an EDO ram slot. 72 pin i believe 10NS ram. I had a somewhat newer one of these that had That slot populated that had and 8 mb stick of ram in it. Its been a long time but i think i am remembering this correctly.
The video was correct, that slot was used for a VRAM expansion module. The newer Color Classic II, which was based on the LC III's architecture instead of the LC II's, did have a 72-pin RAM slot, as well as the same VRAM slot seen here. The Color Classic II was only sold in select countries, though, so it's not nearly as common. Also worth noting, all of the Macs that had 72-pin SIMM slots used FPM memory, not EDO. You could still use EDO modules in most of these Macs, but they wouldn't use the EDO function and would run as FPM. Also, the memory was typically between 80 and 60ns, with the later Quadras and NuBus-based PowerMacs requiring the 60ns version. By the way, 10ns memory would be running at roughly 100MHz, while 60ns memory is at about 16.7MHz, much closer to what the systems of the time would have their system buses running at.
I'm assuming you meant the Pippin, which was a collaboration between Apple and Bandai. The poor thing never really took off, partially because it tried too hard to merge an internet box with a game console, and partly because they didn't really have any good titles for it. Oh, and the relatively high price for it, which really killed demand. It's a bit ironic, really, when you compare it with recent consoles like the XBOX 360, XBOX One, PS3, and PS4. It blended the online experience with gaming, just like the modern consoles, but the market and the technology weren't ready for the idea yet.
Nobody ever made 1GB or 512MB memory modules that would fit in the Color Classic, or any machine that used 30-pin SIMMs. The highest capacity I've ever heard of on a 30-pin SIMM is 16MB, and the Color Classic couldn't even use those. By the time memory modules could hold 512MB+, we'd moved on to SDRAM on DIMMs. Aside from that, as mentioned in the video, the memory controller had a hard limit of 10MB, and would not recognize anything beyond that. Then again, you could put a 1GB+ SCSI Hard Drive into the Color Classic, but if you got too much higher than that you'd run into the limitations of Apple's original Hierarchical File System, and the Color Classic didn't support MacOS 8.1+ to run HFS+, nor could it boot from an HFS+ volume because it wasn't a PowerMac. Also, there is the limitation of all Pre-OS X Mac System Software that prevents a single application from accessing more than 999MB at a time, even if the system has more than that installed. Of course, that only ever came up on G4-based Macs, as nothing earlier than that could even hold more than 1GB of RAM.
Hi. My very first Mac was the LC575 but the Color Classic (I had one before and an SE) is my favorite Mac by far coz' it's the cutest, very approachable and cuter than the 1st iMac which was cute but kind of too flamboyant, or the iMacs today, or even the mini or G5 Cube (the new designs are intimidating or dorky w/ the Performas), the Mac LC with it's slimness and lines also has a good design as well as the IIGS without the monitor and the Apple IIc with the cute iMac like sunflower like monitor- they are timeless designs in the approchable design category. Those 4 Apple computers are by far like a really nice cool friend- not too wimpy not too cool or intimidating, except maybe for the iMac G4 which is cute too but it's too feminine, little weak looking/dorky. The CC was designed by Daniele De Luliis and was supposed to be the design for the 10th anniversary Macintosh (I guess 10 years the anniversary Mac would be the TAM. If Apple does an anniversary using the Mac line every 20 years, the next one would be in 2017- just 2 years to go, we must save up for one now- I hope Ive will put all the approachable cute but not wimpy design of those 4 Apple computers above instead of being too elite looking like a prince, maybe just a little ). The Computer Chronicles' what got me into Macs when it showed how fast the PowerPC was against the Pentium. 21 years as a Mac user. By the way this also has one of the rarest, one of the most impressive Apple collection from Russia. It's free to visit it. If you can get there, maybe make a documentary a detailed one: rt.com/news/prime-time/collections-orders-ducks-apple-493/ Here's a more detailed article on it by a IIgs blogger: www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/russian-apple-museum-or-the-ebay-black-hole-to-be-found-in-moscow/ But you can do better - a documentary of that museum (I think they all have the Apple stuff except the Apple I or the first Apple II). God bless. Rev. 21:4 Alvin
Jason, did you ever remember the Coles program back in the early 90s where schools who collected the most dockets would receive (or win) the most Apple Mac's? Our school was one of them.
Apple renamed the 'System Software' to Mac OS when they licenced it to run on the Macintosh Clones. This is why it doesn't show the machine its running on in About This Macintosh.
At least this Macintosh have user upgradability unlike the Macs you see nowadays. There are so much sacrifices need to be made to make a computer this compact back then though.
Nice videos but I still hate everything Apple ever do. Overpriced nonsense which barely made it out of the USA because nobody in the real world could afford them.
You keep making that kiss your teeth sound all most every time you finish talking, it could drive someone crazy. Great vid except for that sound you always make.
Jason, I must say your are probably the best Apple reviewer. Your put a lot of hard work in to your videos and are amazing! You are amazing!
Nice vid! This was my first PC, and I still have mine. It's in mint condition, but now sitting inside my garage. Paid $1400 new for it back in 1993. I also met my wife on it, in an AOL chat room and music posting area! I'm still married to her 20 years later, and have a daughter. THANK YOU 'Color Classic'... LOL!
Have you taken the battery out of it? The battery in these older Macs can turn into a bomb and ruin the computer...
1912RamblerFan01 No, I have not! I had no idea that the battery can inflict damage!
AudiophileTubes Take it out while you still can before it damages the logic board. When you take it out, it won't remember time - but that is a small price to pay when compared to a corroded, unusable logic board stained with battery acid. TH-cam user BBISHOPPCM has a video of an SE that he bought that was totally damaged by a exploding battery.
1912RamblerFan01 Very true - I lost the logic board on one of my Colour Classics to that very problem. Thankfully, all of my other Macs were OK, as I removed the batteries before putting them into storage.
Those aol chat rooms....if only we knew what we had. I don't think we'll ever see anything that good on the internet ever again.
Thumbs up if you want a color classic more then an iPhone 6 plus
I want a Apple Macintosh Colour Classic more that an iPhone and I want an Apple Lisa 1 more than an Apple Macintosh Colour Classic
I have a Mac Color Classic 1993 but the buffer battery is discharged
Jason you are one of the best reviewer on the net and has a great information about the apple good luck wish you all the best
That was the Startup Sound of my very First Macintosh Computer when I had one as a child in Elementary school and they were doing a program to bring computers from the school into homes
Nice demonstration !
Jason very nice demonstration of the mac color classic. I had one in 1993. The previous owner sold it to me saying the hard drive wasn't working. I purchased and opened it finding that a resistor looked bad and the area smelled like a PCB burn usually does. I re soldered it and put in a new one. If I had known that there was so much more expandability I would have kept it. I was a desktop publisher at the time and bought the machine for working on at home. Because of my poor knowledge of the machine and not real way of getting information for expanding it myself. I sold it. I am now on disability and would love one.
Awesome demonstration of a beautiful machine. The Color Classic is my favorite Macintosh of all time. I hope someday I can have the disposable income (or enough luck) to procure my own.
***** If you can find a working Color Classic for a reasonable price - go for it! I believe that the Color Classic and SE/30 are two of the best Macs ever (and certainly the best Compact Macs). However, the IIfx remains my all-time favourite.
I remember the first college class I took after graduating in 1992, had these types of computers. They were actually fun to type on!
I have a large collection of Sega, Nintendo, Sony consoles (including Commodore Amiga CD32, Panasonic 3DO, Sharp Twin Famicom etc), and Ive just started recently to collect these old beauties. Loving the videos dude, keep up the good work! First Mac i bought to start the collection was a graphite G3 running Tiger, and then a 5200CD Performa.
my teacher 3 years ago was still using a 1984 macintosh in our classroom
Wow
At home, I use an Apple Macintosh SE because I only need my computer for word processing. I do everything else on my iPad Pro.
Just bought myself one of these in Sweden :D Fully working!
Like & favorite !! Hugs Jason's Macintosh Museum !!! \O/
It is the first 1 hour video from Jason's Macintosh Museum
One time a teacher at my school threw one of these out the window but it still worked!!
I have used a IIe card on a LC 475 just had to keep switching between 24 and 32 bit addressing
SuperDrive cut-out is unusual but there has to be some cut-out to let a person push the floppy disk all the way in to a non-auto-inject SuperDrive.
Also the "Colour Classic" is cut out so that in other regions it could be called "Color Classic"
Our geography room had an old Performa that got chucked out before the holidays :(
***** Those 5200s were probably thrown away, as they didn't perform very well even when they were new (especially the original 75MHz version!)
I have a PowerMac 5500, that has suffered from unknown corrosion, I have a spare logic board but I need to pick the machine up from the repair shop first!
*****
I'm not sure how FoolProof works. Have you tried the programmer switch trick? This was a common way of killing At Ease.
On any old mac with a programmer switch, you can force the computer to dump you back to the finder by typing in:
SM 0 A9F4
G 0
...Or alternately G FINDER can work too, which is the classic way people did it, but it's less reliable. Either way, if you can get to the finder with full access you can generally turn off whatever security it has in its control panel.
There's also this: freaky.staticusers.net/textfiles/FoolProofHack.txt
I'm actually surprised that site is still around, hah. It hasn't been updated since 2003ish.
It's rarely Macintosh ^^ Good video !
TheAppleFanBoy - Apple Archives Thanks!
+TheAppleFanBoy - Apple & Computer Archives you left the same exact comment on many of his videos? wtf? are u a robot?
Chris Nova777 Nop Nop xD
Man I remember these back in my school. back in 1990/91. I remember wanting to fight to get on these for Kids Pix lol
+Jason's Macintosh Museum - it appears the caps on this logic board have already failed. I suggest replacing or removing them as soon as possible.
Hey Jason! Have you ever realized that ADB ports look like spider heads that have the Flu?
Can u do a review on the macintosh powerbook 1400 c plz I have it
Don't you hate when the camera doesn't focus?! haha
dear jason i have a Macintosh Color Classic - 1993 its only been used 3 or 4 times kept inside the apple factory nylon inside the house and never exposed to moister or dust , its in brand new condition basicaly its brand new ( no use ) i was the first owner its no second hand unit ( had to power it up after 22 years to check on it ) and working perfecly ! i wonder if you know the value of it if i deside to sell it ( thank you very much in advance for any info )
I'm going to assume that of the vintage compact all-in-one Macs, this might be one of the better collectibles, supposedly? I mean, nothing against the original B&W screens, but somehow, to see a Sony Trinitron for color, as well as the expandability in this, it could be a step above the SE/30. Trying to think, though.
The SE/30 had a better system bus without the weird 10MB hard cap. It wasn't 32-bit clean, though, so it wouldn't run anything beyond 7.5.5. If anything were the pinnacle of the compact macs, it would be the Color Classic II, aka Performa 275. The Color Classic II was essentially the innards of the LC 550 in the case of the Color Classic. Sadly, they were only released in select countries, which did not include the US.
Performance-wise, the Color Classic II was most similar to the LC III+, the later 33MHz version of the LC III. The Performa 550 was also based on this revision of the LC III, so it also has similar performance.
Then again, with the Mystic upgrade (swapping out the logic board and back panel for the one from an LC 575), you could make either version of the Color Classic a decent beast. There are even upgrade instructions for putting a 5000-series logic board into the case of the color classic, but that's a more difficult procedure that's only worth it if you absolutely have to have the smaller design or don't want the larger (but inferior technology) display.
39:38 if you want the startup noise
I have problems with my Mac Color Classic floppy drive. The disks will not fully seat inside the drive. When I push the disk into the slot, it goes about ¾ of the way but does not drop fully into the drive. I use a paperclip to safely remove the disk after each attempt. Do you have any idea what may cause this? If I need to replace the floppy drive where might you recommend I purchase a replacement? I live in the USA, any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.
when you leave the mac collecting, can i have it?
The "Color" Classic you show is, I believe, a "Colour" Classic, so one made for the European, rather than the American market. Or were some of those sold in any part of America (Canada, perhaps) also labelled with the "correct" spelling?
David Neale You are correct - this is a "Colour Classic", as it was sold in Australia. However, as most people search for "Color Classic" when looking for information on this model, I used the American spelling when naming the video.
When sold in the US, they were badged as "Color Classic".
The plastic piece with Color/Colour just comes out easy, so they could change it. Here in Canada, it's Colour.
It's not the only first mac to have the colour screen
It's the first compact mac to have a built-in color screen. The first mac to have a color option at all was the Mac II, but that was neither a compact mac nor a built-in screen. The first Powerbook to have a color screen (the 165c) was released the same day as the Color Classic, so in reality they both share the honor of being the first macs with built-in color screens.
Good sir i think that second memory slot was not what you are thinking it was. It is an EDO ram slot. 72 pin i believe 10NS ram. I had a somewhat newer one of these that had That slot populated that had and 8 mb stick of ram in it. Its been a long time but i think i am remembering this correctly.
The video was correct, that slot was used for a VRAM expansion module. The newer Color Classic II, which was based on the LC III's architecture instead of the LC II's, did have a 72-pin RAM slot, as well as the same VRAM slot seen here. The Color Classic II was only sold in select countries, though, so it's not nearly as common.
Also worth noting, all of the Macs that had 72-pin SIMM slots used FPM memory, not EDO. You could still use EDO modules in most of these Macs, but they wouldn't use the EDO function and would run as FPM. Also, the memory was typically between 80 and 60ns, with the later Quadras and NuBus-based PowerMacs requiring the 60ns version.
By the way, 10ns memory would be running at roughly 100MHz, while 60ns memory is at about 16.7MHz, much closer to what the systems of the time would have their system buses running at.
when i turn on my machintosh color clasic i see only a white screen pls HELP ! any solutions or ideas of whts goin on ???
πιες ξυδι It might be a hard drive problem.
jake harvey
ty very much Jake i ve found the problem its the video chip ( RIP )
You should make a video of the PinPin it a console that apple made but it got discontinued because Apple made a mistake about selling on the market
I'm assuming you meant the Pippin, which was a collaboration between Apple and Bandai. The poor thing never really took off, partially because it tried too hard to merge an internet box with a game console, and partly because they didn't really have any good titles for it. Oh, and the relatively high price for it, which really killed demand.
It's a bit ironic, really, when you compare it with recent consoles like the XBOX 360, XBOX One, PS3, and PS4. It blended the online experience with gaming, just like the modern consoles, but the market and the technology weren't ready for the idea yet.
"Hmm." - Jason
*lipsmack* *lipsmack*
*lipsmack*
“FOCUS!”
*lipsmack* *lipsmack*
I can see why people like this channel.
What happens if I put 1 GB memory on Color Classic?
Nothing. it will still just use the maximum it can
not possible even if you could it would never detect that much memory
Nobody ever made 1GB or 512MB memory modules that would fit in the Color Classic, or any machine that used 30-pin SIMMs. The highest capacity I've ever heard of on a 30-pin SIMM is 16MB, and the Color Classic couldn't even use those. By the time memory modules could hold 512MB+, we'd moved on to SDRAM on DIMMs. Aside from that, as mentioned in the video, the memory controller had a hard limit of 10MB, and would not recognize anything beyond that.
Then again, you could put a 1GB+ SCSI Hard Drive into the Color Classic, but if you got too much higher than that you'd run into the limitations of Apple's original Hierarchical File System, and the Color Classic didn't support MacOS 8.1+ to run HFS+, nor could it boot from an HFS+ volume because it wasn't a PowerMac.
Also, there is the limitation of all Pre-OS X Mac System Software that prevents a single application from accessing more than 999MB at a time, even if the system has more than that installed. Of course, that only ever came up on G4-based Macs, as nothing earlier than that could even hold more than 1GB of RAM.
@@Gravydog316 what is the maximum amount of RAM btw
I just noticed that "Colour" on the front badge is spelled the british way. Unless I am missing something. Is it because this is Australia?
The old gaming PC !
Hi. My very first Mac was the LC575 but the Color Classic (I had one before and an SE) is my favorite Mac by far coz' it's the cutest, very approachable and cuter than the 1st iMac which was cute but kind of too flamboyant, or the iMacs today, or even the mini or G5 Cube (the new designs are intimidating or dorky w/ the Performas), the Mac LC with it's slimness and lines also has a good design as well as the IIGS without the monitor and the Apple IIc with the cute iMac like sunflower like monitor- they are timeless designs in the approchable design category. Those 4 Apple computers are by far like a really nice cool friend- not too wimpy not too cool or intimidating, except maybe for the iMac G4 which is cute too but it's too feminine, little weak looking/dorky.
The CC was designed by Daniele De Luliis and was supposed to be the design for the 10th anniversary Macintosh (I guess 10 years the anniversary Mac would be the TAM. If Apple does an anniversary using the Mac line every 20 years, the next one would be in 2017- just 2 years to go, we must save up for one now- I hope Ive will put all the approachable cute but not wimpy design of those 4 Apple computers above instead of being too elite looking like a prince, maybe just a little ).
The Computer Chronicles' what got me into Macs when it showed how fast the PowerPC was against the Pentium. 21 years as a Mac user.
By the way this also has one of the rarest, one of the most impressive Apple collection from Russia. It's free to visit it. If you can get there, maybe make a documentary a detailed one:
rt.com/news/prime-time/collections-orders-ducks-apple-493/
Here's a more detailed article on it by a IIgs blogger:
www.whatisthe2gs.apple2.org.za/russian-apple-museum-or-the-ebay-black-hole-to-be-found-in-moscow/
But you can do better - a documentary of that museum (I think they all have the Apple stuff except the Apple I or the first Apple II).
God bless. Rev. 21:4
Alvin
Jason, did you ever remember the Coles program back in the early 90s where schools who collected the most dockets would receive (or win) the most Apple Mac's?
Our school was one of them.
When you look at the screen, why is there an alien in the background
nvm that's the camera lol
haha
0:08
You said color classic 2
jake harvey I certainly did - oops!
Kala classic. 😜
21:57 Uheuh
Apple renamed the 'System Software' to Mac OS when they licenced it to run on the Macintosh Clones. This is why it doesn't show the machine its running on in About This Macintosh.
Steve Jobs killed the clones
Indeed he did, but System 7.5.5 was released between when he first left the company and his return after Apple acquired NeXT.
Color is spelled Colour 😀. In the United States we spell it Color 😀.
the machintash colour classic was a great early education and and grade school computer and even high school
much colour
very computer
wow
Apple limiting usefulness and performance... Some things never change.
At least this Macintosh have user upgradability unlike the Macs you see nowadays. There are so much sacrifices need to be made to make a computer this compact back then though.
um um um um um um um um um um...
cani buy it color classic jason
Sorry, you can't buy the MCC from the company itself.
......FOCUS!!! lolo
I just picked up one of these working on craigslist for 60 bucks. Did I get a good deal?
Depends on what condition it's in. But, yeah, if it works it was a good deal.
i see most color classics from $300 to $1000 on ebay, why is that?
(should i say 'because they don't have Winders?")
its because they are a classic design, not an ugly PC
& Macs are cute as F**K!
Nice videos but I still hate everything Apple ever do. Overpriced nonsense which barely made it out of the USA because nobody in the real world could afford them.
Ironically, the improved replacement for this model, the Color Classic II, was only ever sold outside the US.
You keep making that kiss your teeth sound all most every time you finish talking, it could drive someone crazy. Great vid except for that sound you always make.
Jason B I never noticed it but now that you mentioned it I hear it every time! 😂 I don’t find it annoying though.