Why is the Orthodox Faith so Powerful in Europa Universalis 4? Religion Analysis EU4
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- This is another quick guide type video where I look and dissect the Orthodox faith and why its so popular. I am using an example from one of the most competitive EU4 Multiplayer lobbies where we see that the Orthodox faith is dominant in Europe (even Great Britain is Orthodox).
The main two reasons we discuss is manpower modifiers from patriarchy and dev cost reduction modifiers that often get stacked by competitive MP players. Obviously the best way to build a nation differs whether you are playing single player or multiplayer. Let me know if there was something that I missed.
Do you think there is a better religion than Orthodox in Europa Universalis? Let me know in the comments.
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Orthodox Stronk
also see you at the Friday game
I'd love to try the MP.. but I'm too lazy to make a twitch account lol
4:50 Boyars land 29%, other estates 0% - how it possible?
@@onesteptodie1 EZ
The 0.5% PA makes it so you can sustainably have an icon since icons expire every 20 years and cost 10 PA. Never forget to take it.
*LAZARUS GANG*
From what do you get this?
@@TheDarkRobloxian Clergy privilege. I'm pretty sure now they nerfed it to something like 0.1% PA which makes it useless.
@@stephanito Definitely not 0.1% monthly, that would be overpowered.
@@stojankovacic1524 with the wonder in Kiev and Hagia Sofia it is super easy to get 100%PA with an icon active ally all times.
Orthodox is one of the main reasons why Russia is Top Tier.
By itself Russia has very powerful ideas, strong missions and downright Busted Govt. (the Tzardom). Combine that with Orthodox, objectively the best religion in the game and you have an absolute behemoth.
A good Russia player can take on Early-Midgame Ottomans by themselves in MP- something only a few countries like France or the Mughals are capable of.
Also Russia has some of the best multiplayer ideas. It gets direct bonuses to forcelimit and manpower which are the strongest military bonuses for multiplayer and some smaller bonuses to morale and so on. It has special units that don't cost manpower and are a bit stronger than regular regiments and they are not tied to age bonuses like the Spanish, French and Prussian unit bonuses. Plus the ability to get uncontested cheap land in Siberia for a miniscule amount of diplo points is so valuable, no other nation in MP has the benefit of free real estate and you can choose if you keep cancelling to get a bunch of gold mines or if you are content with effortless trade company land.
I find russia EArly game horrific tho-Seems to get fucked by institutions
@@blafoon93 Yeah. I was in an MP lobby where Russia had 12 goldmines in Siberia alone. He went for economic ideas early for stacking dev cost so inflation wasn't an issue either.
It was legit terrifying.
@@edim108 yep, that sounds about right. I personally hate cancelling colonies but in MP it really is the best thing to do...
I wish provinces had secondary trade goods, so a Siberian province could for example have furs and gold and you'd get a production value for 70% furs as primary and 30% gold as secondary trade good. The trade good province bonus could then be different depending on the combination of goods and you could make it so that this never changes after it has been assigned to a province via colonization, so the only ways of changing it would be via events, missions or decisions. Also there are simply not enough trade goods, things like silver, pearls, maize, horses and many more really should be implemented. All of this could also tie into an overhaul of the building, trade and development systems that would allow for taller playstyles.
@@blafoon93 even if they don’t do most of that, they really should fix the colony cancelling thing.
Orthodox gang 😎
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@@tedbed1389 ok Ted Bed
Can you please do more guides related to multiplayer like this?
Sure!
He said that in the beginning? Lol
WE ALL NEED IT. right?
Please for the love of orthodox jesus its not con-cen-trate its con-se-crate.
Apart from that love your content keep up the good work.
My bad!!
@@AbsoluteHabibi
Brother you’re all good. It obvious your brain is thinking of some high IQ strat for your next game and not too worried about what the word is exactly. 😂
Crusader kings devs do not seem to share the same love for orthodoxy unfortunately
Yeah you want to reform or convert to a religion with great holy wars ASAP if you want to expand as quickly as possible.
@@silverdeathgamer2907 I would rather play as a jain character than going through a roman playthrough again
@@apostolosgoulas2009 It is really fast if you do it the boring way and start as Byzantines and still quite fast if you start as a vassal and claim throne but yeah taking Italy is just a boring series of wars against Christians so it is slow also.
@@silverdeathgamer2907 the wars are not the problem. My issue is building barronies for random a Italian dukes 3rd cousin because he has a strong claim on Tuscany but then he dies when I am at 97% warscore so fuck me I guess
Well ... historical Crusader kings had the same sour attitude, I think...
The only problem with orthodoxy is that there are so few orthodox countries. Out of the countries that are orthodox, the only ones that aren't a struggle to play are Muscovy and maybe Novgorod.
that's why in MP lobbies, people are buying orthodox faith off of each other, like in this lobby.
@@AbsoluteHabibi tbh( i'm in your lobby and i'm playing as Desmond) thats the main reason why i'll switch to orthodoxy plus im orthodox irl so
@@AbsoluteHabibi Instead of making a DLC all about Russia, they should've just made a DLC that does the same things as Third Rome in terms of the religion, but gives more flavor and viability to all orthodox nations. This way you wouldn't have to buy an expansion centered entirely on one country in order to give orthodox nations some flavor. Plus, if they did it that way more people would actually buy the DLC. But hey its Paradox, who am I to question the mighty ones.
Honestly the worst part about orthodox is you have to invest to get it broken
Then again you can invest to get it broken.
Edit Ive done orthodox hungary before and it took a while to get even 150k manpower.
Not true, Hungary, Poland and Lithuania start at catholic but can easily convert at the start of the game, in fact i'm still waiting for a game where Hungary or Lithuania stay catholic.
I honestly find ibadi and Shia rather underrated. They too get manpower+Dev reduction with schools(among other stuff) and generally the events are extremely good. Not to mention the additional Muslim events that often pop up that give -dev cost etc. Maybe not "better" than orthodox but strong alternative and maybe cheaper to buy.
They also get the dhimmi estate which is pretty good
@@wimmer3324 yeah I forgot about it. it's additional tolerance + tech cost reduction. It easily stays above 60% that plus + legalism is an additional 0-20% tech cost reduction. More admins you can have for provinces
Certainly strong religions but at least for single player way weaker because you have no way of getting PUs. However with Council of Trent getting PUs as an Ortho-Bro has become actually difficult because everyone that chooses a harsh stance will have a permanent -80 opinion modifier.... makes fishing for PUs nearly impossible with those nations.
@@blafoon93 this video was regarding multiplayer so was the comment 😘 no reason to mention single player.
Also PUs overrated
In my gamea pu partners are useless and often bug out
@Black Mussolini vassals are better. Minimal ae? Not really.
they also take forever to integrate/inherit. a vassal gives u ducats + often u can use reconquest CB.
You're like an angel ascending to grant me what i seeked :D Always wondered why orthodox was this good but never found a good video for it.
I would be very interested to see a video on the strategy behind multiplayer-meta and what a proto-typical MP playthrough looks like. Not a run-down of cheap tactics (e.g. don't reinforce too fast, parachuting exploit), many YT's have done this, but an interesting take on the strategic elements of current MP meta. Great content Absolute Habibi!
a good basic is to pick scaling nations such as Poland-Ruthenia, Russia,France,Prussia and have the least ammount of player wars possible, if u cant expand anywhere doesnt matter... just dev... go by the rule dont start wars unless you 100% win.. if u play well u can dev faster than u can make ur gov. capacity grow
@@bellium7023 At some point you probably should start wars with a 50 50 percent chance of winning, because you need some fun
@@Cecilia-ky3uw yeah but people usually do that later on in the game once theyve done the scaling and so on, nobody wants to be out in the first 50 years
@@bellium7023 indeed
Your channel growth is insane and absolutely deserved.
Can we talk about the Rûw / Wûr placement text here
It's Rum
Don't feel like talking right now, sorry
Go home and take some sleep Rûw, you have had to much Rum
First video I got recommended by you, good video.
devving Mil also increase FL which is also really good. other reasons why orthodox is good is how stable it is, because you get a lot of missionary strength and unrest and military modifier (discipline) which is good
Wait doesn't total development contribute to Force limit rather than how much mil dev does it have?
@@arbikiuszelemelek3347 more like your total mil dev and autonomy for those provinces
@@hogotan289 all dev gives .1 base force limit, mil dev just also gives manpower.
All dev increases FL equally.
honestly glad to see this channel growing
hey man I watched your 24 hour stream and I can't wait for the whole series on yt
I notice this awesome channel from Zlewikk. This Ruthenria is amazing
Why is the music so damn chill? I love it
By the 1600s, if you have done things right you can develop provinces for like 5 monarch points. This does not only apply to Orthodox though, you can also stack if you are Protestant or Anglican
Your channel is absolutely exploding!
Tengri-Shinto is pretty damn powerful and also badass as hell
Tengri drum sound is so nice
Make an England Guide for multiplayer pls!!! Talking about ideas and which areas should be prioritized for colonies, also, how to deal with players in India when playing England in MP. Without the greedy France PU BS pls but how to delay/stall and make things as difficult as possible for the France player as England. Tyvm for your dedication to this
Orthodox faith is power in real life too ☦☦☦
Amijn! Kyrie eleison...
Hi great video! Ive never played Orthodox despite my 4k hours, so was gonna do that in my current Venice to Dalmatia to spice islands game- However, given that Im a merchant republic I can't consecrate or have clergy privilege so I won't be able to get enough PA (I have like 3 states with enough dev). So I think Im gonna have to go reformation instead, right?
Damn this video make me question my single player play style when I see the Spanish manpower vs others...A bad habit I have is that I don’t upgrade advisors because I felt devving is unnecessary in a wide game, and as long as I have ideas and techs in progress it does not matter. Then I see this Spain having 1 sixth of manpower of Ruthenia...Maybe deving your primary culture to 25 dev provinces does help with power base a lot.
I swear two weeks ago u were at 500 subs
On russian orthodox sounds as pravoslavie, which means ~ "right (pravo) way to praise (slavie) god", basically.
orthodox означает что-то вроде изначальный. Я думаю вы знаете значение слова ортодоксальный в русском языке)
That's the meaning of Orthodox aswell, an orthodox faith being the traditional/original interpretation
@@BonduoChannelфокус в том, что ортодоксия это изначально греческое слово, причём составное слово, "орто + доксия",
"правильное + мышление", емнип. В противоположность "гетеродоксии", инакомыслию или иноверию, инославию в случае религиозных убеждений.
I love that as you go from west to east this map gets progressively weirder and weirder
Woop the daily dose of habibi land.. 😎 also do more achievement runs if you get the chance..
Theres also no down side to having no patriarch authority. And you can spend patriarch authority in events to bonuses like +1 stab
the icon with the unrest reductions pronation is Eleousa it means the merciful one
I love how I have 12/16 dlcs and yet miss the icons for the orthodox faith and edicts mechanic.
How about a Morocco run, I’ve seen a few good ones but I think you’ll probs do a better job
Interesting
ok, what can i do with orthodox buffs, when i play as Georgia?
nice
hi!
how do you turn orthodox as GB or france?
What UI mod did you use to make events look so beautiful?
Hi all, please tell me, why in my EU4 is no option for picking icons when being orthodox? Which patch or mod provides this? Many thanks in advance.
i just play Orthodox cause im Orthodox soo pretty much reason why i do it them being Most Powerful Religion is just a consolation price but nice to see its most powerful lol
Can you make a video (or write a comment) explaining how to boost dev to get the massive amounts of manpower and money? I'm always running out of those in my singleplayer campaign. Russia has 650k manpower in just 1560, and if I understood how to do that in my games I would be a much better player.
development of provinces, all core provinces 5 5 10, house on manpower, manufactory on manpower in cow and wheat, mp from cossacs, quantity and mb edict on manpower
This Rum name placement OMG.
That Rum name placement tho
You should have seen my face when I first play multiplayer, I saw how half the world converts to Orthodoxy, I knew about the bonuses of Orthodoxy, but from the Love of England and HRE, and Spain, I was honestly stunned. Ahahaha
What is the music is it a mod?
Aaaand the cossack bug where you get 100% manpower on steppes, wich happen to have cows in polish area
which is the best nation to start as to do well in orthodox faith as a beginner? muscovy or poland? or another?
Definitely Muscovy
How can i change my catholic polish faith for the orthodox one ?????
How can they afford deving up provinces, techs and tech ideas? If i focus one over the other, I get left behind. I’m not new to EU4 but in deff not as experienced as these people, therefore i’d gladly listen to any advice.
They stockpile points. So don’t take tech unless you get innovationess from it or you are losing innovationess, unless you are in a war or about to be in a war (you always wanted the latest military tech in that case). Many players will take a tech with additionally 30-90% cost, which is just inefficient. It’s always good practice to have your innovationess ticking up as well. Then they also don’t dev until they have all the modifiers. Additionally, knowing when to disinherit heirs helps too.
Absolute Habibi I see. Thank you!
How they have so many slots for estate privelages?
Shia and Sunni pretty good too with Mysticism which gives morale and manpower
Maliki school is pretty good too
Legalism gives manpower and tech cost. Mysticism gives morale and fort defence so legalism is usually the way to go
@Qalidurut I thought mysticism did the same because i never tried it
@@wimmer3324 I meant the button
@@civi4ever460 yea i didnt know that the mysticism button did something different than the legalism one. How much manpower do you get from it?
How did the Poland player integrate Lithuania so quickly without influence ideas? I'm playing Poland game right now and I can't figure it out.
he didn't integrate Lithuania, he ate Lithuania up with the help of his bro, Muscovy
@@AbsoluteHabibi Oh of course. Thanks man! Love the videos!
I have never played a MP game so CSAn someone tell me how to become orthodox as for example France or GB
epic
So how do you swich to orthodox?
How did all these people convert to orthodox? Like France for example.
a curious country that W
as lithuania is it better to form ruthenia or the plc with the russian principallity goverment form?
Ruthenia 100% of the time
@@AbsoluteHabibi i just realised if you form the plc you dont get the tsardom as goverment form and you will stay a duchi with low governing capacity. so ruthenia it is
2:18 love to see kind AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA The First on the throne of ruthinia
can you make a second channel where u upload full stream/game?
See my twitch, the vods are all saved there
@@AbsoluteHabibi i kinda dont like using twitch
What about ibadi hanbali school? It gives you goods produced modifier and chance of new heir (which means that u get new heir more often can disinherit ones that are not too good more often and eventually get better rulers) in addiction u can farm legalism very quickly by declaring wars on heretics and heathens which are nearly all the countries in the world safe u since ibadi is a very rare faith. Hanbali school gives aggressive expansion impact minus 10 which means u can conquer more land without threat of a coalition. Let alone dhimmis that reduce tech cost and give u religious unity as well as increased amount of manpower in non muslim provinces. And on top of that u get feudal theocracy gov type which is one of the best.
How do you become orthodox in spain or france? Or in general?
Did you ever figure out?
2:18 that polish ruler LOL
2:36 Analysis starts here
I'd say Shinto is a close second if you know how to manage your isolationalism
How people change their religion to Ortodox ?
I was weirded out seeing some blue blob in Nubia and Somalia, what is it?
It’s an African formable nation in the zlewikk mp mod
They really need to re-add the tax debuff that patriarch authority used to have
Polish ideas give bonus' to production and manpower, so that might be the reason why Ruthenia chose to dev those two instead of admin.
all the players devved in production and manpower not just poland
Yup, I knew it. It was powerful, too back then in CK2. Even after my HRE converted to Sunni(simply because Pope miscommunicated me 3 times in a row) and I conquered entire Europe and wipe off Byzantine, Catholic only left with 10 moral authority meanwhile Orthodox still going strong.
If I form germany after revoking as Prussia, can I convert to orthodox? Hmm this seems OP.
you wont keep the government effective I believe
Once 50 nations are orthodox. The Defender of Orthodox is even crazier
It's "Icon of Eleusa" pronounced like u in Umayyad
I don’t mean to be that dude but here’s a fun drinking game, every time he says “um” or “uh” take a shot, I bet you can’t get pass 1:00 without being hammered
Like just for playing as Ruthenia
More USA Norway Please
2:40 video start
I can see why Orthodox would be strong in multiplayer lobbies but I think nowadays Catholic might be the strongest religion. 15% tax 1yearly prestige, 1 yearly legit, 0.05% inflation and 0.5 interest, 1 diplo rep . Free stability you can get 5% dev reduction from curia wich 90% of the times the pope picks it, in reformation era yoyou get the council of trent benefits and you also get 2 free missionaries and more conversion power embracing counter-reformation and finally free mercantilism. Catholic works also best when you are a colonial empire because you can convert your subjects provinces for that sweet unlimited papal influence.
It’s the best in single player for the easiest one faith. I think my first one faith will be with a Catholic nation for sure
You forgot to mention the prestige bonus gives you 10% morale of armies and also the 15% manpower modifier with -5% army maintenance. And you can get all this modifiers and the others at the same time unlike orthodox. If you are cueria controller you also get a lot of op bonuses like -20% agressive expansion reduction.
How do you become orthodox as Spain France or England??
cibnquer orthodox territory, change it to your culture,increasse autonomy to increase unrest, move capital to there, wait for a religious revolt
@@SousukeAizen421 I know that, I mean how would you take a province with orthodox, there aren’t any near you
@@eragonenfrancais1342 genoa has an orthodox province in black sea, just declare on them and take that province
Best nation/religion for One Faith achiev?
Orthodox is probably best in my opinion for one faith
He kind of forget about the tsardom reform.
That's only for Russian Principalities rather than the Orthodox faith as a whole.
Nice video, but the way you said consecrate as though it was concentrate.... was irritating. Con-se-crate not con-cen-trate
Paradox: Add the ability to end the schism to catholic.
Players: So y'all wanna become Orthodox?
I was casualy watching for 2 minutes and then I saw RUM name placement and couldnt focus on listening to you anymore. That is an abomination of name placement!!!!
Because it is in real life too, the best religion out there
is absolutism still worth it?
yes
The Orthodox Faith is so powerful everywhere
play with georgia pls :D
Begome Ordodox :DDD
hahaha lol :DDD
Please blurr out that RÛM... I just can't.
I accidentally got forced by peasants to be orthodox as Genoa. I wasn't mad.
Is it worth flipping Orthodox in a single player game? (for example, as Great Horde after beating Muscovy)
Depends on your goal for the run. I had a lot of fun playing Orthodox Hungary (my only time playing it, it was my first run where I converted religion) but its up to you. Anything is possible in single player but if ur objective about wanting to be the most powerful then its pretty worthwhile and very easy if you have orthodox provinces via using rebels
What is the name of your cat?
Stoney
@@AbsoluteHabibi they are adorable
Video starts at 2:37
Man where are you from?
Lebanon
@@AbsoluteHabibi I guessed you aren't American, nice to meet you man. Hope we get together in your MP.
Orthodox Golden Horde is easily the most fun nation IMO
Tengri horse religion OP
Интересно, что здесь происходит
If you're hear to learn anything, skip to 3:18. Before that, it's all filler.