Why are Small Subwoofers SO EXPENSIVE?? \\ ELIPSON'S New 8" Facet
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3:14 All Speakers Need a Sub
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My biggest complaint with the current state of subwooders is so beautifully illustrated by the room you're shooting this video in: Look at all those speakers surrounding the listening area. They're all gorgeous in their own way. Every manufacturer of high end audio equipment goes out of their way to try some new engineering trick, puts their own spin on aesthetics, makes them stand out.
Then it's time for a sub, and what do you get? Boof, have a cube. Or an elongated cube. Oh we have it in the same finish as our other speakers so it matches. Our tiniest subwoofer is the best because it will make your picky spouse happy.
Where's the beauty? Where's the trademark appearance? Where's the sense of engineering and design adventure? Sealed cube. Ported cube. Oh ours is servo-controlled, nevermind that Yamaha was doing that in the 90s.
I want an 8th order. I want a transmission line. I want a folded horn. Brand X's tower speakers are massive, and the design is radical yet elegant. Why is the sub a tiny cube? Gimme a huge subwoofer that's interesting to look at. Make it an architectural feature in my living room! Gimme a icosikaihenagon with 20 high excursion 5" drivers (yes I had to Google that word).
We're not big-box-store drones haggling over a $130 install fee on a $1000 plastic HTIB system. Fuckin' charge me the audiophile tax to give me something interesting, I don't care. Just please, speaker industry: No. More. Cubes.
Elipson has a cylindrical one that matches the Planet M speakers.
But yes to your comment, 100%
The SVS 3000 is $900 and it’s sealed. Usually better for music. Ported subs are usually better for theater. There are always exceptions.
A good sub is equal at any content.
@@paulgyro If that were true why don't companies just make whatever is cheaper to make and abandon the other design?
@@Joe-mi4jw to appeal to a broader market. Many people are set in their ways regardless. Plus often times there are other considerationa beyond audio performance. Many factors go into selecting a sub such as budget,space,. what speakers it's going to pair with etc
How many subs have you owned lol coz I got them all and JL audio 13 ported is one of my favourite svs not bad but I like to build my own box for room size
There's actually the kef kc62. Even more expensive though. But performance seems to be top of the crop.
Elipson is a legendary French company, serious and highly respected. Since its founding in 1938, it has provided top quality monitors for professional sound studios, Radio France, the major television networks. Its spherical designs with elliptical reflectors - hence the name Elipse Son (ellipsis sound) - designed in the 1940s, were not only sculptural and aesthetic but revolutionary in terms of sound production. They spherical speakers continue to be produced today with state of the art engineering technology. Hand assembled and overseen with rigorous quality control, Elipson's products are top tier and expensive even in France. With import duties and added profit margins for importation to the US, the price is evidently stratospheric. It may be best to shrug one's shoulders and to think of Elision as a luxury brand comparable to Gitzo tripods. While one may never have heard the name, professional photographers certainly know it - even those who cannot afford the luxury of buying one.
Glad this video came out, currently deciding between 3 subwoofers: the SVS Micro 3000, Martin Logan Dynamo 600X, and the Rel T/5X. Need a small form factor as this sub will be going in my office and needs to fit under the desk.
I'm pleased with my 3000 micro. Hooked up wireless in a 12x 15 room. Sounds amazing.
def thinking of that svs sub as an upgrade as I prefer controlling settings through my phone. That app seems like a pretty nice feature.
The Böreresen Speakers at the Highend munich sounded pretty great without a Subwoofer. But i get your point about the subcrawl
Sub Story: My home theater is on an open space shelving. Needed a second Sub on the left, but no floor space on the left. Got a Monoprice MP SSW 10" for the bottom left shelf. Worked out beautifully. Hope you post this, GREAT buy. Best, D. p.s. had to pig back off my right side Emotiva for signal.
Zeos, I'd consider this, for sure! I've got a fucked old Jamo 250 sub, using it as a a passive while ran through a Fosi M03. this thing has to be a night and day difference.
Thoughts on REL? It's the only brand of sub I own and I really like it. Considering making it a pair, but that price...
I found a Kef Kube 12b on sale last year for $699 with free shipping. Its been a great sub.
Looking fwd to that LS60 review
My father, and his father before him, both perished in the Elipson Wars. Might buy this sub as a way to remember them both by.
Just like them legendary tiny Bose satellite surround speakers that everyone wanted.
Sub crawl may or may not be the starting point but to really dial in a sub placement you need REW. In fact, you probably don't need to crawl at all, you can just figure out roughly where in the room a sub is likely to work (in your case, a corner placement) and then run some frequency sweeps and see where you wound up. Probably easier to inch the sub around than put it 5 feet up in a couch.
Yeah I'd prefer to just spend $80 on the UMIK-1 and avoid all of the possible madness of a sub crawl. Then I have a proper mic for doing all sorts of in-room measurements anyways. Zeos doesn't seem to measure anything, unfortunately.
Hey Z, have you tried the RSL Speedwoofer 12S?
OHHHHH .... LS60 !!! Nice .. Not even like they needed a sub .. but yah !! ELAC has some awesome stuff out now .. The Dual 12s are fkn epic!
The WA?? .. " Klipsch " LS 60? .. 00:46 ... oops =)
Okay I sit and wait for the LS60 review.
bro this is the first time i heard about the sub crawl and I am very angry about it. genius. I cannot wait to hear my sub finally lol. usually just notice the walls are shaking :P You have no idea how many times I've tried to convince myself my shit is out of phase just to set everything back the way it was.
also lol balanced sub 7:48
I wouldn't put my subwoofer in the sky.
I would just have multiple subs that stack to the sky!
Elipson is France’s oldest speaker company. It exists since 1938!!
The speakers perform quite well
ls60 review LETS GOOOO!
I wonder how the SVS SB1000 compares to this, being cheaper. It's also pretty small at 13" wide..
Do you think you could get one of the QD OLED monitor manufactures to send you a qd oled ultrawide to review? Alienware, MSI, Philips all are using the same QD-OLED panel.
I will try
The klipsch rp-1200sw is $999 and is a 12" with 400 watts RMS
Small correction. SVS makes a lot o' stuff, not just subs. REL makes only subs.
You check out the RSL 12s yet Z?
Elipson invented the famous Sphere speakers 😂 and they did numerous studios and concert halls like Opera du Rhin en Opera du Paris 👍
Speaking of BASS...! My Ghost are finally broke in. # FFFFF. Best, D.
Svs micro 3000 gaaaahhhhh !! 🎉
I spent around 300 building a 15" sub and resulted in the best i've ever heard.
20 to 100 hz
Exactly!
Some of the small subwoofers produce the best bass. The SVS micro being one of them.
SVS woofers have been some of the biggest dissapointmenst in my audio history.,.. :(
Where did it touch you? Did you tell someone about it?
@@BeyondResolution I haven't used their bigger subs but the micro 3000 is an excellent subwoofer. Another excellent option is REL.
@@ZReviews lol, I take you don't like the SVS Micro? REL makes some very good compact subwoofers too. Being someone who has a 15 inch subwoofer in my home theater and a monolith 10 inch under my computer desk, I've heard a lot of them. The *good 8 inch subs produce a very different kind of bass when compared to 10, 12 or 15...I would say they're much better for music. There's another 8 inch I'm forgetting the name of now that has a whopping 1500w of power that sounds incredible..damn can't remember the name now.
@@ZReviews my mom won’t let me tell 🤣 well for the most part it touched my wallet and took all my money and gave crappy sound back :)
Kinda looks like the ribbed elliptical ones energy makes.
Anyway , great review. Lol.
Thank you for the ironic REL Acoustic sub woofer ad TH-cam!
Friend got one too
What happened to the days when a pair of Edifier S3000pros were endgame good?
Now a subwoofer costing more than the Edifiers with a pair of 7000 dollar towers are totally dependent on placement to be adequate. I’m a bit disillusioned
The speakers just happen to be there. I released out of order. And I don't recommend this little sub. You can do better.
Also Swan OS10's are endgame but they don't exist anywhere so we are stuck with JUST LS60s..
in the vain of 8" subs please review the SVS 3000 micro!!
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@@ZReviews I missed this!!! thanks Z.
Elipson price is 600€ in Europe, but with a 19-21% sales tax. So that would make it 500$ MRSP before all the US sales taxes. Is it worth 500$ @zeos?
If you cant get the Martin Logan.. Maybe
What about Kef KC62?
Prices are ridiculous. SVS is still selling their 5+ year old designs at COVID level pricing. Monoprice subwoofer amps are breaking left and right too. I CANNOT WAIT, to see the new Klipsch Reference Premiere subs being reviewed by Z. Those subs are at least reasonably priced and Lord knows Klipsch has their sales. I just hope the rumored performance is the real deal.
I’ve got high hopes for the Klipsch subs too. I’m assuming that they’ve fixed their amplifier issues
SVS IS TRASH
Have you gotten your pedals broken mobo fixed?
Noop
@@ZReviews :(
Whens the LS60 review?
I can do it tomorrow!
Why don't bass guitarists choose subwoofers? Shouldn't manufacturers like SVS & Perlisten be killing it in the bass guitarist equipment category? And why do none of them use bass correction software like DIRAC?
Reggae, Funk & Brass 🔈🔉🔊
Seems like a good fit. No?
The wallpaper sync folder says no peers? Does anyone have a clue why?
I can refresh it if need be.Think it should still be active
Please... how the hell am I supposed to put a 175# PB16 at face level where i sit?
I have a Velodyne F-1500B sealed subwoofer 15" servo driven.. not sure if SVS can come close??
Shame that time caught up to Bruce. Dementia and aphasia, scary stuff. He's probably not going to be with us that long, unfortunately.
Ok now go get a REL T7x to review. Please, for the people.
Score one for profit margins.
Bouncy review
KEF LS60 you called them Klipsch......
It was a LONG week. I heard it in the rewatched and shrugged. Yall get it
900$ for a 8" sub that doesn't even have phase. the damn 149$ Edifier T5 has all that and a phase switch lol
0:48 😂Klipsch LS60?
Kef Forte
@@ZReviews 🤣 hilarious 🤣
Sad for my Polk sub
It's not a Sub. It's a bass module.
Eat Fresh
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kappa 7s dont need sub woofers
too expensive imo
Small subs are complete BS.
My Dynamo 400 wants a word
Simple answer, overcoming physics costs green.
Wow bashing emotiva ok bye
Their tiny subs are OK. Not world ending. And at least properly priced. I AM USING ONE IN THE SUNROOM