Why Do We Love The Phoenix Hawk?
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1) Mount all your main weapons in the arms.
2) Under-armor the arms.
3) ???
4) Profit.
A'ight, scout session's over, we call it a draw.
Its especially eggregious on the variants with jump jets, (which is most of them). The only advantage of arm weapons is widened arks of fire, so you can run sideways and still point atleast one arm at the enemy. Jump jets give you that same flexibility with your TORSO WEAPONS. The Pheonix Hawks large laser should be in the center torso.
@@StarlightSocialist I think there's still some benefit. That wider arc of fire comes in handy when you want to shoot multiple targets, as having the arm weapons might make the difference between hitting that second target or not.
I will admit that this isn't much of a help for at least half the Phoenix Hawks though, as they tend to have only a few weapons to work with.
It's important to be able to get a shot at the rear if needed.I am cool with putting the two mediums into the torso and leaving them out of the arms let's you shoot 2 lasers and punch. Having the guns in the torso save for the large laser is nice. The two mediums and two MGs is 2 heat with a jump and 4 rolls to hit and most lvl 1 mech don't have much rear armor. Unless you group you probably won't get through the armour in one round but it is definitely threatening in a round or two.
"So what do you consider to be the Combine's worst war crime? Kentares IV?"
"The PXH-1K."
"Understandable."
I know right?
Taking the JJs out of a Wolverine, sure, OK, I can see the viability of that (even if I don't care for it), but doing that to a Phoenix Hawk is a sin.
SHD-2D blink in confusion, blankly uncomprehending on how it is being ignored.
@@michaelmoolick9419
That's it's own atrocity, we can thank House Davion for that one.
Some things cannot be forgiven.
My personal custom variant takes an idea from the 1K and scales it back to "not suck" status. In short; remove machine guns and ammo, plus two jump jets (not all six FFS). Then add two heat sinks and reinforce armor. A variant of this variant instead sacrifices a medium laser and a machine gun and reinforces the armor a little less.
Ah 3S, I'll never forget the first time I took you to battle and your masc failed on first use in the second round of the game. Magnificent.
"oops"
Sounds like MegaMek Tom foolery
Oof, bad luck there.
Unfortunately it was in person. Almost as bad as last game when I rolled snake eyes on a hermit crab's consciousness roll immediately after saying "watch me fail this"
@@joelaugustin6407 Been there done that, but with a WH40k Power Field back I'm 2E... 2+ on a d6... I mean it's a 1/6 not a 1/36 chance but I feel ya'... Also, this is why I ALWAYS call them ROCKET launchers not MISSile launchers....
The Phoenix Hawk 2K is one of my favourite "that chunk of the timeline where things are getting more advanced but you still have mostly introtech" IS mechs around. I field it whenever it feels appropriate, even when it's not ideal.
I'd hate it but, it works without that XL.
@@MechanicalFrog I'm not fond of IS XLs, and not having one makes the 2K a shockingly tough little striker
@@MechanicalFrog I felt pretty similarly, but after playing a Campaign with one in my company for about a year now, it's really grown on me. Feels like an upsized Wolfhound, for better or worse.
My personal favorite of that era is the TDR-7M. Way too many folks went crazy for those XLs. The TDR-7M is a perfect upgrade package.
@@WolfHreda 100%, that and the Archer 4M/4M2 are superb.
By far my favorite medium mech and consistently in my top 3 of all mech weight classes! My best game of battletech ever was a 5 player, free-for-all Solaris death match. The other guys were all piloting heavy or assault mechs and laughed when I decided to bring my little 3K Phoenix Hawk to the fight. In their minds, ju,p jets were a waste of tonnage that could have been better used with heat sinks or armor. However, their tones changed when I managed to stick to the high ground and they just couldn't pin me down. The fight began with a pair of boxcars from my pulse lasers which blew the head off of the Atlas player's mech. They chalked it up to luck, but that soon changed. The Archer player chased me over a high bridge, and I casually reminded him of the bridge's 50 ton weight limit, and the 7 levels of falling damage to his back resulted in his ammunition cooking off on both side torsos. The last 2 had been slugging it out while ignoring me, and by the time there was a winner, his 5S Marauder was too badly damaged to put up much of a fight, and I was able to finish him off with a large laser hit which took out his side torso and the XL engine.
Needless to say, their opinions on faster, jump-capable mechs quickly changed after that fight!
"...a 50-cal machine gun for personal use"
I know the text said anti-personnel.
But I still thought it was hilarious!
Same thing.
I won't say this is the best striker 'mech the Inner Sphere ever produced, because I don't have to. The Phoenix Hawk speaks loudly enough for itself.
Well there you go. :D
@@MechanicalFrog I've loved the Pixie ever since I started playing in the early 2000s. It might not be the easiest 'mech to get the best out of, but in the hands of a patient mechwarrior, it's lethal.
looking at the 3M: "hmm, the MG seems useless - why not rip it out and-"
*3D variant busts in through the wall, kool-aid man style* "YOU RANG???"
Exactly.
Oh yeah!
The best part about the MF variants is that even though I don't really play the tabletop game outside of the random tabletop RPG campaign, I can usually recreate the build in the HBS BattleTech: RogueTech mod.
Yes!
P hawk baby!! Love this mech. My very first mech I ever used in the game. I ran out so much I had to buy two in the late 80s. Such a beautiful versatile medium mech.
Agreed. A very solid pick.
I'm running the 3S, having swapped the AMS and its ammo for a Guardian and an extra double heat sink, making me heat neutral. Probably my favorite moment was jumping back while firing at the ammo car of a rail=mounted Long Tom, turning that railway into a crater.
Hmm... I approve of this.
It's a great mech in their standard configuration and give a good amount of room for customization. That's why we love it. 👍
Absolutely
My favorite story with the Phoenix Hawk on the tabletop was in my first ever tabletop game of BattleTech (only a few months ago as of typing), I insta-killed an Atlas by blowing up all its ammo.
It was AWESOME!
Ah, the Phoenix Hawk. I remember seeing the original official artwork for the mech and thinking "Oh, they have a full-armor Macross Super Valkyrie in Battroid mode!"
Heh.
Literally true.
FASA licensed the artwork.
@@dwwolf4636 It was legal up until Harmony Gold wanted its pound of flesh
This is my absolute favorite mech. Thank you for covering it!
Glad you like it!
Or the Phoenix Hawk, a light mech that weighs as much as a medium.
Deep thoughts for a Friday morning.
My first battlemech was the unseen phoenix hawk. Always had a soft spot for the mech since.
*3 series suffered from the change of construction rules with the disallowing of 1/4 tons for endo steel and xl engines
Why do we love the Phoenix Hawk? It's one of the first ten 'Mechs dating all the way back to BattleDroids. It's based on the SVF-1 Super Veritech from Robotech, where many of us were introduced to anime... however poorly. The luckier among us got to see it as the Super Valkrye of Super Dimensional Fortress Macross instead.
It's a medium mech that, by it's very existence, puts a lot of pressure on light mechs by being just as fast and maneuverable, but is better armed and armored than most. It's also a great command mech for a light lance.
The best thing about the PXH is that you can get a full 4 mechs lance and paint them in all the EVA colors
The PXH-9 with its improved jump jets peaks my interest - if any mech can put improved jump jets to good use, it's the Pheonix hawk.
The 6D variant seems like fun too - having an accurate sniper rifle seems like a good way to lose friends!
I had a character that LOVED his PH, but hated 1Ks and would go out of his way to hunt them at any and all opportunities - getting sever reprimands on occasion. If she had not been an amazing scout and shot. ... her PH slowly got upgraded with this and that but mostly it was patchwork repairs.. her favorite was when she had to replace her engine and squeezed a 275 in - which the Wolverine and Griffin pilots welcomed her to the gang and the three got into a LOT of mischief on and off the battle field.
part of me always thought that how some designs were so ubiquitous that possibly they were more like the LRM/SRM carriers... they were a design philosophy - All "Stingers" were 20 tns 6/9/6 bi pedal with 2MG and ML installed in said locations...etc...
another great video
Heh, thanks. Poor 1ks...
My first 'hawk was a -6D. My pilot was part of a merc unit on campaign, fighting against Clan machines. We mvanaged to survive the first few fights and even a three-fight stint without my PPC after it was destroyed. My tech crew managed to salvage a clan-tech ER-PPC and install it. That was followed by replacement of the 4 ER-Mediums with a pair of clan-tech medium pulse lasers. I had a lot of fun with that machine. 🙂
Orguss Industries: "Our Phoenix Hawk is under armored and prone to overheating. Suggestions?"
Allied Aerospace: "Oh, have we got an idea for you!"
Shadow Hawk: "NOOOO! Don't listen to them!"
Woooo! Praise Zorg gentlemen! The hammer of light mechs has finally arrived!
Let them flee in terror...
My fav phoenix hawk battle was my LAM equipped with clan lasers dueling a summoner. The fight ended with with us exchanging head shots. His was only a medium laser but I hit with my large laser critical hitting his cockpit.
Ah yes, the phawk tuah. I'm gonna love it no matter what, the IS version of the shadow cat, the little annoying bugger that you can't catch but is gonna getcha if it gets the chance. What it can't outgun it can outrun, what it can't outrun it can outgun generally. It's fully a loner flanker mech, filling no role but getting itself where it needs to be, it's got all the character for that and I love it all the more for it.
Me in the process of painting a Phoenix Hawk and seeing this in my feed. It was meant to be.
Indeed...
That C2 is a BEAST. I'm honestly surprised that it's not the MechFrog go to unit.
I like it a lot.
I have never had a Phoenix Hawk do me wrong. I, however, have done it wrong so many times. Something about the firepower and the jump jets, gives me a sense of “invulnerability” that always gets proven wrong, in often spectacular fashion.
This is easily my favorite BattleMech in TRO:3025. It is also, bar none, the most overpowered ‘Mech in HBS BATTLETECH, due to the non-simultaneous weapons fire and built-in advantages. I can solo any mission in the vanilla game without taking a scratch using the PHX-1b with the right build.
More recently, the Phoenix Hawk C 2 is excellent, preserving the strengths while minimizing weaknesses (in particular, ammo that might cook off when pushing the heat envelope before jumping behind cover). I prefer to swap the AP Gauss Rifles for Micro Pulse Lasers, which allows me to include some electronics as well.
Must get one sometime. It seems like a really good, capable mech.
Thanks for the great video, MechFrog!
While watching the video I was thinking "I'd put Partial Wing on it" and that what's you did with Mech Frogs variant.
For nearly any mech with Jump Jets a Partial Wing just makes sense(well to me at least)
"I can put wings on this..." said every time.
Great video on my favorite intro tech mech!
Glad you like it!
I know you can’t cover all of variants but I’m honestly surprised you didn’t include the 3PL.
It is a short ranged version but having a LPL and 2 MPL WITH a targeting computer is nothing to sneeze at. Get behind another mech and watch them sweat.
I also like how jumping is basically negated entirely by the -3.
It can jump 6 and fire all three pulse lasers without going red.
Also totally energy based
My 3025 variant drops the MGs and 2 JJs for 1 ton more armor and 2 heatsinks, and with my play style I have had very good results with it.
As it turns out, the PHX-LAM is a wonderful machine as long as you equip it with Clan-spec weapons. Then again, just about any LAM is "fixed" with the introduction of clan weapons and Double Heat Sink kits.
So the reason the 3M comes in half a ton overweight is there was a rules change well after TR 3050 was published. The rules change caused weight saving equipment to be rounded up to the nearest half ton rather than truly halved. When first published the 3M's Endo steel frame and XL engine came in at 2.25 tons and 7.25 tons respectively. When the rules change hit it pushed those weights up to 2.5 and 7.5 tons, leaving the 3M a half ton overweight.
The phoenix hawk might be THE mercenary mech in the medium bracket.
Highly flexible, highly maneuverable, packs a decent punch, readily available and very upgradable over the years.
The phoenix hawk fills any role you can imagine a medium mech should be capable of: Heavy scout, anti infantry, anti vehicle, bodyguard for heavier units, guerilia warfare.. you name it the phoenix hawk can pull it of. The biggest issue is heat managment, though wich 3025 design doesnt have heat issues?
The phoenix hawk is a great addition to any medium mech or even as a command mech of a scout lance. If its in the salvage pile, grab it!
Definitely a solid choice.
"THE" is a pretty heavy word. As a scout, sure, but most mercs are going to be looking for something more rounded. Like the four members of the 55 Trinity.
@@tenchraven Debatable since the 55 tonners have terrible weapon loadouts The Shadowhawk has a schizophrenic ammo based weapons loadout that leaves it underperforming in most scenarios. The wolverine while agile also has rather lackluster firepower that mostly relies on ammo. The griffon has heavy armor but is allmost defenseless at close range.
The phoenix hawk is flexible, packs a decent punch, can deal with infantry, is fast and maneuverable and only needs machine gun ammo for its secondaries wich you can get at every corner in the IS or periphery.
Its this flexibility, ease on maintenance and logistics and overall effectiveness on the battlefield no matter the situation that makes me say that its THE medium mech any merc unit should try to get its hands on. Cause most merc units wont be able to afford more then 12 mechs aka 3 lances aka a regiment, so you have to get the most bang for your buck (if you have the choice, especially in 3025 there isnt that much of an open market for battlemechs)
several times in this video you described Greyson Caryle piloting a Phoenix Hawk when it was actually a Shadow Hawk he was using.
Grayson Carlyle’s father piloted a Phoenix Hawk. That's who I reference in the video.
I have to say you unintentionally convinced me to try to do the 4L (granted the character one that has an Clan ER Large Laser instead of IS one) and it's fun to do a Phoenix Hawk that can sniper while making it hard for your opponent to hit you back with that Stealth Armor.
Also it was a game where I wanted to learn how to use Stealth Armor because I am a Capellan fan lol.
I hope it produces for you.
@@MechanicalFrog It helped a little yeah. It was a 7K BV ffa game with my main heavy lifters being the Cataphract and Vindicator 4L. The Phoenix Hawk didn't do much damage but did enough help to force a Nightstar to fail two of its three piloting rolls it needed to take.
Ah, Phoenix Hawk. Best med mech of tech readout 3025.
One of the better ones, for sure.
PHX, a true legend. I enjoy pairing the PHX-9 with the Eris, Griffin.
That's a good team up.
i think this MF variant may be my favorite yet. it lacks the dakka or explosions i usually adore, but jump jets and a partial wing bring me back to my days playing the palladium robotech rpg with friends after school, and the plasma rifle and lasers promise to be great fun
Awww yeah! I’ve been excitedly waiting for one of my favorite derpy mechs! Thanks for another great holovid!
Glad I could give it some limelight.
as much as I detest the jumpless kurita models, the 1k was the only thing to get my boyfriend out of a locust in MW5 that wasnt a broken hero mech
I suppose it was good for something, then.
This is the Mech I am the most glad has emerged from "the unseen" debacle
Much cherished.
Because it's the PHOENIX HAWK!!!
I see the Phoenix Hawk, Mechfrog's paint job on his battle armor, the fact there is a LAM variant, and only one thing comes to mind:
"ORRGUUUUSS! Dun dun! ORRGUUUSS! Dun dun!"
Points to those who remember that old tune. Great guitar.
Thanks for the video.
Heh, thanks for coming by to check it out. More nonsense ahead.
I have the Ral Partha metal model (with both back jump jets) and 2 of the plastic ones. They just used the same mold. The Catalyst model looks more like a man-in-a-suit than an 11 meter Mech.
Love it all the same.
I have the plastic, but the jump jets were lost long ago. Tragic.
Worthy ❤the Phenix
I like the Phoenix Hawk because its a great specialized mech. Its a high-speed scout and scout-hunter. It lacks a well-rounded weapons package like a Centurion which makes them pretty good as a 1-2 combo.
3025 is full of flawed mechs and the Phoenix Hawk isnt really one of them. Its easy to upgrade too. Just make small changes like upgrade to Small Pulse Laser, ER Medium Lasers, and a ER Large Laser.
Now unfortunately its got a ugly offspring, the Phoenix Hawk IIC, which is entirely on the opposite side of the spectrum. Its a clan "upgrade" assault mech that adds on another 35tons. Its variants are almost totally dependent on alpha striking with limited ammunition/heat sinks. Its way too expensive to function as a garrison unit, and its not an omnimech either. From the Phoenix Hawk IIC's lore, it was a trick by Clan Diamond Shark/Sea Fox to sell mechs and then require customers to keep buying ammunition too.
i'm a big fan of the Phoenix Hawk 4L, even if it's not exactly heat-neutral
Oops. The 2k variant @16:01 shows movement of 6/9/0 ... but also claims 6 jump jets.
Yep. Forgot to pull the jumpjets from that image.
Captured a nice variant in Rogue tech. FIERY FURY
RA firefist battle fist. Tsm and enhanced reinforced actuators in all limbs.
LA snub ppc w capacitor pirate (basically a lbx ppc) and shield.
Supercharger and improved jjs. Frame heavy reinforced. Armor kaellin(sp?) ultra light FF.
PWS with rear facing ct fusion flamer.
Head dragon's breath and death stare laser array.
To make room and save a ton - adv sm cockpit clan.
Clan ecm and active probe. (LT)
Backing up LA snubbie was a Disco laser array in RT
RA had 2 sm pulses and laser ams
Patchwork covered both torsos to cover the light engine better.
The other named phawk I didnt get to loot was AA oriented (and really good at BA squad wiping) had 2 QS LBX lg lasers. 2 med pulses. 4 lmgs clan (that's just 1 ton) and a TC with AA bc, heat bc, and energy bc.
Unfortunately it had to have failed every roll possible.
I hit it with a golden BB, I guess, core pen crit, engine containment failure, ammo explosion, and self deletion from loot table.
i.e. Full Stackpole killed the lone BA still swarming it that only had an ap gauss. (That mech deleted 4 of 5 in that squad/star the previous round. Damned QS lbx large lasers and tc/bc combos)😮
My BA carrying APCs were just open boxes after that explosion. Never got to deploy other squad.
DRT in bay, undeployed.
Never enough flamers...
A wonderful mech this one. Fast, agile, decently armed. A wonderful flanker and scout for what it is. The only problem is the heat.
It also has style - the original design is a Super Valkyrie from Macross, which is awesome. And the redesign... Well, the iteration we see in video games... It looks like Master Chief.
And on a similar note, Enforcer looks like Doomguy.
I always thought of the Phoenix Hawk as a "Super Bug", long before I knew it was designed as an uparmored Wasp / Stinger. It is a long time favorite, being my first aftermarket miniature in fact. And served as my bug hunter extraordinaire for years.
The K variants are nothing short of an abominations. A Phoenix Hawk that can't jump is NOT a Phoenix Hawk in my book.
I like the MF variant, though I will replace the IS mediums with their Clan equivalents. I never thought to try a partial wing system, and look forward to seeing this in operation.
Personally I like a pure energy design of the Phoenix Hawk, dropping the machine guns for more armor, heat sinks, or specialty gear, that I use as a raider in the backfield to harass supply lines or artillery support.
Plain and simple, I love this mech cause it looks amazing and has a number of VERY solid variants.
My only experience with Battletech come from the Harebrained Schemes game, so I can't say anything about the tabletop or the variants, but in that game I always thought that the Phoenix Hawk was a solid mech. It had a good enough combination of mobility, firepower, and just enough armor to tank a few hit if needed. Nothing exceptional, but a solid all-rounder.
The Phoenix Hawk is great in HBS BT. A great early and mid-game mech.
As a Crescent Hawks player I'm required to say I like the 7K as a Youngblood uses one to command 2 eras of the army. But damn it's a soft command mech.
Solid pick.
The only real issues are "all weapons on the arms"
And the points cost
They are so expensive in points, because they are so good
I enjoy all of Mechanical Frog 🐸 videos 😊
Thank you.
The C2 is a pretty impressive design, even if it doesn't have all the Clan toys. It is heat neutral most of the time, only starting to get toasty if repeated jumping and alpha striking is a thing. Most of the time, if jumping and firing only its lasers it will be heat neutral. Honestly surprised the Clan designers didn't just take one or both the extra heatsinks for additional armor as most Clan designs are usually far from heat neutral. Of course, that may be the exception now as in the Dark Age and ilClan era, more and more Clan machines are becoming heat neutral, or as close as they allow themselves.
Most designs are pretty solid (usually the ones with only 1 main gun) and hard to improve upon, the only unique design as an exception to the rule is the abomination PXH-99 from the Caveat Emptor tech readout. That one would disgust you more than the early Kurita variants.
What? A Mechfrog Variant with a Partial Wing AND Plasma Rifle!?!?!
So odd...
PXH-MF upgrade, remove two jumpjets for 2 more ER medium lasers.
You lost me at "remove jump jets" :D
I have no particular feelings - one way or another - for the Phoenix Hawk as such, but it was the basis for my beloved jank-fest that is the Phoenix Hawk LAM, so, yeah, credit where it is due.
You know the only weigh class that doesn't have a Phoenix Hawk is the heavy. There is the Light, IIC and the classic medium wonder if they will introduce a heavy mech version so there is one for all weight brackets?
I don't understand why so many 'Mechs "upgraded" with Helm Memory Core tech combined an anti-missile system with significantly less than maximum armor-surely making a 'Mech more explosive and less armored for some niche benefit against missiles isn't the best idea?
A fine mech but one that in the stock form probably could use dropping the MG ammo to a half ton and upping the armor with the now available half ton especially for the head
Agreed.
I expect Phoenix Hawk to be the most numerous 'Mech in the field. Production output may not match Wasp, but with better firepower and protection I expect more Phoenix Hawks return home leaving broken Wasps and Stingers in their wake.
The -MF variants may stand for Mechanical Frog, but I keep thinking it’s Mother Fucker lol
:D
13:57 fire all weapons!
ABF - Always Be Firing
I was never a fan of the design of this mech. It looked too much like a Gundum to me. Especially the HBS version. However, I have liked it on the table top. It struck the right balance with its trade-offs that made it a fun mech to use in the 3025 era. It was always fun to find the right moment when to let start to really heat up.
I do feel bad for the general answer the Mech got on upgrades was 'more lasers'... and never keeping the MGs has a must.
But I can get the overall usage for deepstrike focus or behind enemy lines operations.
While I can get it when working in a Recon Lance - where the Light Mechs would have plenty of those... in a heavier/Striker lance the PXH feels like a poor choice for providing this capacity.
However, AMS is a good to have. ECM optional but still useful depending of purpose.
I'm actually surprised no clan variant put a SRM instead.
ah, Orguss Industries, original producer of the Phoenix Hawk!
lets see what other brilliant BattleMechs they've made
oh, well... they can't all be winners
Yeah... best we not linger on Orguss.
PHX-5A Phoenixhawk 3050 full clan tech rebuild. 45tons, 6/9/6, 2.25t endo-steel, 7.5t XL+DHS, 6t cockpit+gryo, 8t fero-fiberous, 3t jumpjets, 18.5t podspace.
Primary Config: 2 LPL (r/la), 2 MPL (r/la), 4 MG (r/la) 1t ammo (ct cased), flamer (ct).
AltConfig A: 2 ERLL (r/la), 4 ERML (r/la), 2 Streak SRM-2 (r/lt), 1t ammo (ct), Targeting Computer (rt), Flamer.
Two LPL... yow.
@MechanicalFrog and flamers, so mini frog should approve the redesign
Well I have a problem with the Phoenix Hawk! I can't make many merc lists without it unless I'm Clan, I'm addicted, its a problem!
Hmm... tough cookies.
Ah-ha! I see no mention of the PHX-1bC. Obviously the only possible explanation is that you're saving it for the upcoming Clanbuster video.
Very wily Frog.
Mmmmaybe...
Ah, the Phoenix Hawk, the "We have robotech at home". I don't like being that guy, but I'm that guy. I never liked this thing, but I try not to begrudge people that do.
I suppose there's always one.
@@MechanicalFrog For the record it's not the 'mech, it's me. Great video as always MechFrog!
the Phoenix Hawk PHX-1b (special) is best Phoenix Hawk :D
Here to drop my Thumbs Up and an algorithm pleasing comment ... a comment scorning this love letter to the "Da Shiong La Se La Ch'Wohn Tian" that is the Phoenix Hawk :D
Fast as a Light mech ... and there the positives stop :p
I have come back to the PXH many times since the 80's and every time I have ended up disappointed with it's awful performance.
Back in the pre-hardpoint days, when you could mod mechs with any gear you wanted, in any position, I think I did come up with an 'ambush predator' version with lots of Medium Lasers and MG's and that did work quite well - mostly because it would get itself focus fired onto the deck but therefore allowed the rest of the unit to manoeuver unmolested for a round or two :chuckles:
A shame to be so unloved by me, because she certainly is a pretty one :(
any chance you could also list the BV/PV for classic/alpha strike use when you show the different units?
I'll ponder this.
Can you do episodes on the inner sphere 40 toners? Hermes II, Vulcan, Clint, etc. I'm sure they're not popular. I have a soft spot for those ones for some reason.
I'm sure I will eventually.
Have you done a video on the wolfhound?
Not yet but I am collecting stuff for it.
You forgot to remove the jump jets from the 2K's specs on screen
Yep.
I always prefer a pulse version of this mech for hunting. The ER versions are better generalists though I think since it lets em stay back in heavier fights.
I would definitely take the LPL over the ERLL.
😍PHX my beloved
I'm weird - I like the K variants, but I realize that's not the popular opinion
I won't hold it against you. :D
@@MechanicalFrog if you still want those sweet, sweet first day views you won't! ;)
Did you choose the plans rifle because you wanted it, or because we expected it?
Quite the existential question...
I've tried really hard to like the Phoenix Hawk, and I'm just not a fan. I would much rather have a Vindicator or a Hatchetman or a Crab or a Sha Yu or even a Firestarter Omnimech. It's got great agility and crit seeking, but it's just too fragile for my tastes.
All the best people know the PXH-99 is the best Phoenix Hawk.
Ahhh the PHX how much do we love thee let us count the ways. 2 in the collectors Goshawk Merc unit (tabletop), (video) Commander of Dragonmaster's Dragonairs usually rides in a PHX (or something that looks like it in more tonage in the game) that is similar to your MF version (will have to add the partial wing mod to see); also a lore wonder not my love goes the the original company making the PHX, "Orgus" as that is also the name from an anime series made same time as Robotech and had a different take on how a Lam worked that I find more acceptable for BIG STOMPIE MECHS (oh I own the full series on this too btw). So, nah I don't love the PHX...ll
Ehh, This mech is classified for me like "Better than nothing or Better than Light mech which you have"
Hunchback is much better. Especially Laser-DISCO version.
Or Bushwalker. Or Energy Centurion.
It's nice we have a good variety of choices.
No Phoenix Hawk LAMs?
Thank you for the support. I try to keep my videos on or under 30 min and sometimes not everything makes the cut.
The only thing I don't like about it is the skin in the video game makes it look like an old dude with bad posture in a motorcycle helmet.
Good point.
uuuuuh, i love the MF variant, fifnally plasma again! 😘
Frog gets mad when Mechs lose their jump. That seems on brand.
Truth.
I do unholy things with mech design in HBS's Battletech game, I've stripped the jump jets off of a Wolverine to fit six extra SRM tubes while one bay over a Zeus was having jump jets retro fitted to it.
The Phoenix Hawk: the Medium that acts like a Light.
Like the Cicada, but actually good.
@@MrFleem I think Cicada will be better.
@@MrFleemcicada is just so miss built it's crazy. It has potential in it's role but it doesn't have a good variant.
@derrichtigearzt8932 the one with the PPC is okay. It needs a lot more armor, but eh.
And it was good at its job
The premiere mech for bullying lights.
Cold Truth.
The Phoenix Hawk is the iconic Light Commander Mech. Hits hard and fast enough to catch up with light mechs.
A solid pick. All around.