Imagine the point of view of someone who has no idea of the broader Star wars backstory. "Uh who was that creepy guy with the long fingers who appeared for 3 seconds and never again." At least everyone knows yoda.
I'm convinced that Osha was a joke placeholder name because she starts out working an unsafe job but then the nickname stuck and they kept it in. I love it lol
@JoelPerry1 just don't watch it if that's how you feel. It's that easy, "oh I don't like that" *turns off*. just because you can have an opinion doesn't mean it's any more valid than mine or anyone else.
@@Mr._RebornStill, that's alot of money, even in 2024. Plus the prequels was pushing and spending on cut edge new technology vs existing ones in the Acolyte
Bro dune part 2 cost less than all 3 prequal movies individually. Fuck inflation, learn to budget and not make a tax write off out of ur star wars show.
I'm watching House of the Dragon season 2 as it comes out, and it's depressing watching it as a Star Wars fan. Seeing what a studio can do with a universe when they pay attention to details, cast good actors, write good scripts, and respect the story. Plus, if it matters to you, it has an incredibly diverse cast. If the goal here was to tell a story about the Sith, give their perspective, show the Jedi to be arrogant, blind, and foolish, and also use the Pre-Phantom Menace era, why would you not just turn the Plagueis novel into a tv show? House of the Dragon is based on a book, stays true to the wider GOT storyline and canon, has a diverse cast, AND had the same budget as the Acolyte. It's also made for its audience. Disney should learn from this and stop doubling down on the same mistakes each and every time.
Yeah because a show that promotes same family relations ships and messed up underage stuff.... the stuff they get away. but yeah no of course house of the dragon is good keep watching🤮
part of the problem is the sith are supposed to be lawful evil....as in, they want to rule the galaxy, they want power for powers sake, they are the ones who are arrogant, generally blind and foolish not the jedi. the jedi take emotion out of decision making, so they see the truth through the force. it can be done showing the sith point of view what they they were doing at this point hiding in the shadows, etc but they are and always should be evil, and if your not evil, then your not sith. basically though, at this point they are hiding in the shadows and not really doing much. maybe show a story set 50-25 years before phantom menace and show palpatine devising his plan and setting it into motion, show him betraying his master. thatd be a good sith story.
They could honestly make endless money of the extended universe novels. Like the sith wars, the plagueis books, the fucking Thrawne triology. Everything just writes itself and people already like it.
@@seiketso6386 their priority is pushing woke agendas instead of entertaining stories. Disney has everything they need to make star wars great but they are not interested in doing that.
The Ki-adi-mundi part still doesnt make sense tbh. Everyone with him in that scene knows it was Mae that killed the first two jedi so they would know that Vernesta is lying to cover up the sith. I dont get why the jedi that know that Endara was killed by Mae would go along with Verns cover up.
Thats one of the main things with it. it doesn't have to be ki adi mundi I don't even think they use his name in the actual series and he doesn't have a big enough role for it to matter much
@@Mardark-e4s Well thats your level of maturity to not see that he's grooming her into joining him, promissing her power and freedom, but she won't realise it until its too late. He went swimming and everything to show that he's completely vulnerable to attack at any point but she won't because he's offered her hospitality and she could leave anytime she wants showing the flaw of "the jedi way" Even when she does pull the lightsaber he manages to talk her down because he has all the answers in her eyes. he knows alot about mae, who she is and what shes been up to, so she listens to him. Then at the end they work out that the only way to get the jedi off their tail is for them to catch the suspect so mae willingly lets him perform a mindwipe. Instead of just striking her down, to keep osha onside he shows her that she'll live and they can go back for her totally.... because she's going to learn the way of the sith to become more powerful. But its false... just like anakin and Padme. Theres the carot on a stick to lead them up the garden path until its too late. But no, Darth bane, Palpatine, Plaguis, Darth Vader... Hot and good aparently...
@@randomflagg7331 And thats the issue people need to be told what to enjoy and what to hate... because they can't make their own mind up, they want generic stuff and studios to make things everything likes so you just get plain generic stuff. because if something shows something you don't (Oh sorry a content creator) doesn't like. It just gets burried by garbage people.
Personally I would have had Aniseya and the twins the only force users of the settlement. No witch stuff, men and other children there as well. The Jedi still come to Brendok looking for a vergence because the planet should be dead. They are welcomed in by the village. They stay there for a while, Osha becomes fascinated by the Jedi and forms a connection with Sol. The Jedi are interested in how Aniseya is powerful with the force, she says she taught herself but that isn’t true. She’s also not from Brendok, she came to the planet pregnant with the twins fleeing from something, the Jedi wonder about the father and she says something like “He was a bad man”. Osha wants to leave with the Jedi but Mae doesn’t (I would have made them much younger, maybe around 5 or 6). It would take far longer to write the rest but to summarise I would have had Aniseya be the former apprentice to Darth Tenebrous, they were able to create life using the force and Aniseya was the vessel. As the twins grew Aniseya formed a motherly bond with her children, overcoming the power of the darkside. She flees Tenebrous and comes to settle on Brendok. Tenebrous later finds her, accompanied by his new appearance (either Qimir or Plagueis). He kills her and the whole village, taking Mae. He didn’t know yet there were twins. I haven’t fully thought this through yet but maybe Torbin is still there, witnesses the killing and tries to defend the village. Tenebrous keeps him alive, warps his mind to think he’s the one to have killed the settlers. The Jedi finds Torbin and think he’s responsible but cover it up (they’d left the settlement with Osha but not yet the planet). Torbin either later quits the order or does the whole Barash vow thing. I would have had Mae kill him first because she also believes he was responsible and also blames the other Jedi for not stopping him.
ive read dozens of csuggestions that would have made this series so much better and this is one of them. the fact that an entire writers room of professionally paid writers couldnt come up with anything good is so sad.
I love how we finally got Darth Plagueis for the first time on screen, and we get to have him in an awfully made show in his edging session while in his gooning cave.
Honestly, I only disagree with your take on the budget. $130 million or something like that for the series. That was more than Revenge of the Sith. There is no excuse but incompetence and blatant disregard for what came before and not wanting to put the work in to be done correctly. This is the result of giving people high up jobs that have no business ever being in those positions to begin with. I just hope we can get qualified people into the jobs of power once more. And decanonize this whole show. It broke so much canon that it breaks my heart.
@@VinnyVidiVintage the fact that anakin was the only character to be a force vergance. The entire controversy with Ki-Audi-Mundi and him being born 40+ years before his time, and the “sith have been extinct for a millennium”. The attempt to recon the force and replace it with the thread. Plaugus being in the wrong time (less of a canonical issue, just doesn’t seem like he should be here).
@@adee_080 Anakin was never staged to be the *only* person born by a vergence, and all the Jedi who knew the twins were as well are dead. The Jedi still believe the sith have been extinct for a millennium. The thread is just straight up not a retcon, it's just another cultures interpretation of the force, something we have already seen numerous times. This show has many, many issues, but things like these are just nitpicks that, imo, don't really contribute to why the show ended up the way that it did.
@@FadedGamingLove just watch Star Wars theory’s video. If you want to try and keep defending Disney who actively tries to destroy this IP, then I have no reason to argue with you, because you’re already too far gone.
anakin was created by the will of the force, the twins were an embryo made by people and split into two, by exploiting a naturally occurring vergance in a planet. They're not even the same thing. The force didn't choose the twins, they're not the chosen one. Ki adi mundis age (despite NEVER having been relevant to the plot of star wars) wasn't even canon. Legends content and the back of trading cards aren't canon. "The sith have been extinct for a millenia" is literally canonically a false belief. Phantom Menace and Revenge of The Sith make it very clear that the sith had always been around acting in secrecy. The witches having a different name and practice for the force isn't a retcon or a replacement in any way... Both Canon and EU have had different force users with unique practices and beliefs outside of the jedi. Darth Plagueis also doesn't have a canon age. Non of the things people are saying breaks canon in this show actually break canon. Those youtube ranters you're saying people should watch are only concerned with getting out a video as fast as possible and to make it as inflammatory as possible for engagement in the comments section.
I think Torbin's Berash vow and suicide could be explained by the witches remaining in his head forever. His irrational choice to return to the witch coven is in line with what Annesaya told him to do when his mind was invaded. Kelnacca years later is also isolated, we see him being aggressive and having the witch symbols stuck in his head. Unlike them, Indara and Sol are fully functional in society, despite them also bearing guilt. Still think the show missed in a lot of areas, but to me this seemed very intentional.
this is yet another great example of show dont tell. i liked this scene, showing what a corruption of the mind could look like...but like show us more, show us torbin losing his mind afterwards, him suiciding made no sense with what they put on screen.
I think at the end, sol being the only person to ever really show her kindness and really care for her in the end made it worse because the only person who had ever treated her with love and like family just so happened to be the person who's been lying to her this entire time and killed her mother
The entire premise of this show was operating under the assumption that a season 2 was guaranteed to happen. If you have a great story for season 2, just make that season 1. Then again, basic logical thinking is utterly lost on this writing and directing team.
That's probably the biggest reason why I am completely against a season 2. Season 1 was a joke. I didn't feel satisfied and I won't ever rewatch this for the enjoyment. Why do you deserve a second chance when you had 180 million to accomplish whatever you apparently wanted? Forget canon, forget lore. If you don't have a show where I can get invested into characters, I'd rather watch lightsaber fan films because that gets to the point.
And also don't leave all the better things for later episodes. Sprinkle them around. And have a banger first episodes. I bet a lot of viewers checked out after episode 2 or 3 here.
The worst thing is people saying, "At least Qimir was cool", no Qimir was not cool, he only have a cool visual, but when wwe star to think about his motivation or his personality we see he was not a good character.
Unique but not good. Clear telegraphing, clear aim towards the lightsaber instead of the opponent, obvious lounges that wouldn’t even hit if the opponent did nothing, and painfully obvious openings that they don’t go for.
I liked the fighting. The writing? not so much. The twins were so poorly written, they changed their mind/ motivation almost by scene. It made me lose all interest in them. But it was surprising to see who turned to the dark side, and who faced no consequences whatsoever for murder.
The main problem with the Acolyte is that the story revolves around Osha and Mae really, but there is really no reason to like them or care what happens to them. I could care less about the twins; they were the worst part of the show and they are the central characters around which the whole story revolves. And it is no offense to the actress who plays them; she is fine in the role. It is more to do with the terrible script around those characters. And the witch coven also; why am I supposed to give a damn about them? I didn't give one damn fig about the witches and, when they all died, I kind of found myself saying good riddance. And I really didn't give a damn about Qimir either, cool lightsaber fights aside. And it would have been better if he had died also at the end as well. Glad the show is over, will never watch it again I think and has to be the worst Star Wars show along with the sequel trilogy (looking at you Last Jedi and Rise of bleeping Skywalker). Might as well make more Star Wars Holiday Specials if you are going to make shows this shitty.
My solution for Star Wars is simple, but I really think that Disney is blind to it. Before a story becomes a good Star Wars story, it must first be a good story on its own. Making an undercooked story, a Star Wars tale not only acerbates the old fans but doesn't create many new ones. Disney needs just 1-2 honest executives to point out the garbage, I fear they don't have that by design.
Here are the budgets The Phantom Menace - $115 million Attack of the Clones - $115 Million Revenge of the Sith - $113 Million The Acolyte - $180 Million
One thing i cant get out of my head is that this is supposed to take place 100 years before The Phantom Menace, so its 132 bby. Darth Plagueis' Master, Darth Tenebrous, dies in 67 bby. So that means that there's actually 3 sith lords and an acolyte for the third one? What the hell happened to the rule of two?
4:40 bro said they didn’t have the budget to do what episode 3 did but it cost 113 million for episode 3 this show got 180 million they definitely has the resources to make it better imo
And even the lightsaber fights were awfully choreographed and poorly shot, so there's nothing good about the show? Honestly watch shadiversity talk about it
@@cameronpritchett8300 his video completely changed my mind about the choreography, he does a great job of pointing out the difference between fast and flashy scenes, vs actual good fighting
@fknpanda7280 right? A good sword fight you don't aim for the sword you aim for the body. In every disney star wars they are aiming for the saber. Never the body.
@@cameronpritchett8300Have you even _seen_ the absolutely comically over-the-top fighting in Revenge of the Sith? Dueling while standing on a tiny drone, spinning lightsabers at each other like 3 feet apart from each other for seconds straight, getting cut in half because you decided to attack someone while somersaulting, and that's just one fight. Nobody's looking at the choreography of the prequels and going "yeah, that's how real people fight." It's supposed to be over-the-top and look cool, and that's what it does very well. Star Wars has never had "realistic" fight choreography, it's judged on the basis of looking cool and demonstrating character traits through combat. Fights would be very boring if the goal was killing someone as efficiently as possible. It's like watching a martial arts movie and complaining that the combatants don't just tackle each other and start pummeling like in a real fight. Realism was never the point. People love the prequels so they don't want to look at it critically, so when a show like this rolls around and has good fights, people slow it down and point out how "unrealistic" it is because they _want_ to dislike it.
@@MaTe-du2lw Can I have examples of world building, lore, and character moments? I’ve got maybe 5 moments I’d call decent while the rest I’d say were quite poor. :/ On the diversity part, it’s a fair critique of the show. Next to nobody had a problem with diversity in Arcane nor Andor nor the Fallen Order games because the writing is good first and foremost. Yet, we do have apparent intent to have a DEI focus for the show. As a sidenote on diversity, the best parts were the actors who played Sol and Qimir. They did fantastic despite a lacking script and I see this even amongst strong critics (premium Ezra Miller being a funny nickname I heard). On the Jedi being shown why they failed and the hypocrisy, does it follow from who the Jedi are? I’d say folks like Star Wars Theory have offered solid critiques in this vain. :) Sorry for the barrage, would love to chat about the specifics you thought were good. Maybe I can increase the things I like about it that way! :)
@@MaTe-du2lw "Andor ( Male main character) Also Andor didn't get much attention in general, because there was not much Jedi action)" It got lots of attention from all the apparant haters of diversity, so that's good! :) " Sol was liked by many but for what is Osha and her sister are hated? They act emotional, but they have a reason, since they are really lost. No family nothing." I mean, I found the actress' performance quite flat to the point where I had no distinct character traits for Osha or Mae, especially following the big flip from Mae in episode 4. For, Osha seems chipper and well adjusted with Jecki, Yord, and her fellow mech tech, saving the crazed person on the prison ship, being kind and caring to her droid...only to then discover she has such deep-seeded emotional trauma that she kills Sol and is only bothered by it for maybe 5 seconds...her pseudo father figure. :/ Being lost is fine and good...but then again, i hardly see said turmoil being handled with gravity or with coherence. EX: Luke Skywalker is dealing with his fear and connection with his friends (and sister) in TESB and ROTJ. This naturally follows given he lost his Aunt and Uncle and Kenobi which we got to see mourning for each character, and his closeness to Han and Leia. This culminates in ROTJ, after he got beat by Vader due to his attachments, then resulting in said attachments being used to cause Luke to use the dark side. Luke then has a chance to respond, tossing his weapon down...completing the trial and becoming a Jedi Knight. He still had his attachments, but they were now in their proper place, under his control, as his father would soon follow/emulate. :)
Plot twist: Darth jar jar is the one telling Darth jar jar what to do and if there’s a season 2 just as how plagueis was revealed we see a cloacae’s figure and he opens his eyes revealing yellow eyes and the iconic jar jar smile
I don’t think Sol was flawed for his decision to kill the mother witch at all. It may have come about of emotion, but it was perfectly reasonable to do. It may sound cruel but it really was. This witch has 1) been cold and untrusting to the Jedi the whole time, going as far as possessing and mentally manipulating a padawan 2) possibly abused and manipulated her children, at least from everything that Sol has seen, so it was reasonable to assume that 3) and worst of all, she turned into a sleep paralysis demon, and from what Sol was seeing, was disintegrating Mae. Sol had every reason to believe the witch was either going to attack them or harm the children.
Given how controversial the Acolyte has been, I wouldn't be surprised if the community starts appreciating it more down the line. Star Wars seems to have a history of people warming up to stuff that was initially very controversial, be it the prequels, Rebels, or Last Jedi, obviously to different extents though. It's definitely the popular and socially acceptable opinion to hate the Acolyte right now, but that's part for the course for a ton of Star Wars media when it's first released
I would love a season 2 focusing on the sith and what goes on behind the shadows and in the caves as long as it makes the script perfect and not out placed and the audience not understanding because if it nails that along with some awesome lightsaber fighting and follows all canon rules this could easily redeem the acolyte for me
This show was completely and utterly worthless and disappointing, if Lucas was able to, he’d buy Star Wars back and erase all this worthless excuse of Star Wars from the plain of existence, this “woke” line was crossed and the writer basically made a political statement, trying to change Star Wars was a bad play on Disney, and they are going to see a rapid decline on their budget and funding if this keeps up, it’s not about them, it’s about the story, they are destroying Star Wars because they want to make their fan fiction real, what they should of done is make a show about the old republic and stay cannon, instead of introducing lesbian space witches and then attack anyone who disagrees, us Star Wars fans are fed up and tired of this nonsense. If it wasn’t made by Lucas or felony, then it isn’t cannon, that’s just the facts, Star Wars was made in Lucas’s and (eventually) Felony’s mind, not dIsNeY, it’s absolutely disgusting what they are doing, the only acceptable thing about that worthless 18% good review show, was the lightsabers, and that’s because we got to see a kyber crystal bleed, and the sabers worked accurately for once, if you want to attack me, too bad and suck it up, this isn’t Star Wars, and they need to remove it or re-iterate it to save it because this is the worst I’ve seen Star Wars
I think this show was the final nail in the coffin for me, of how Disney is trying to plot these Star Wars movies/shows. It feels like they are trying to bring that prequel/ OG trilogy of how Anakin became depressed and turned to the dark side. It feels like they are trying to do that, but it just feels like the characters are emo and are overreacting or trying not to fix anything. Like atleast Anakin tried to fix it. It’s just flat out pathetic with how they are presenting Star wars
The Book of Boba Fett was more a parody and looked so cheap. After the superb Andor season one I never watched a single episode of the shows that came after it. And... that was, apparently, the right decision. 🙂
Crazy part is I’ve rewatched BOBF, it has good moments and episodes despite its flaws! Same with Kenobi. But I’ll never touch acolyte again after one watch through. Ever.
How tf does the most powerful Jedi of all time not sense multiple murders, people lying right to his face, and a Jedi turned evil?! There are SO MANY plot holes in this show I could go on forever! How is Ki-Adi-Mundi alive and why has he been keeping a SITH secret for multiple years. HOW DOES YODA NOT SENSE THAT!? Why is Plageuis alive!? You’re telling me he learned how to create life from WITCHES!? the power of one, the power of two, the power of WTF?! This show is a disgrace and I feel like Leslye Headland needs to be taught more about Star Wars, and needs to potentially think about being fired. Disgraceful. DISGRACEFUL. (btw no one cares about your sexuality or whatever, us nerds just want cool stuff)
I’m totally open for a season 2, but there are some things it must do. Lots of depth for Vennessa’s character as well as many more scenes with her saber whip. The final episode got me invested in her story to the point where I want to see where it goes from here. Larger scale of the Jedi temple and the Jedi order. Really dig into the tension within the order and between them and the senate. Character buildup with Kimir and Vennessa. And most importantly: Take their time and not rush it. Let the development go at its own pace.
I thought the series was ok and had some stand out moments but it left me wanting more and closure so I do want a season 2 but maybe executed better with less of the weird flash backs and more Plagueis because I was again left wanting more from him and we could even get Yoda Vs Plagueis ( but that might make more problems than we need) but most of all Basil. I liked and jokingly thought he was more important than other main characters because he was one of the only ones who survived but it be funny if he was working for Plagueis and I hope he is in season 2
the one thing I didn't like about Yoda is how they used the puppet, when they use the puppet it makes him feel older, as where here, Yoda is like 750 years old which yes is old but we saw what he did in Episode 2 and 3 and the clone wars
13:30 No it is certainly not resolved! You really want me to believe that in all of the years non of the padawans have turned to some kind of dark side and Qimir was an exception so that Vanestra thought it would be better to keep it as secret inorder to protect herself at the cost of letting sith to exist and not let jedi to know about them?! No, I’m sorry but I’m not buying it… Next time think twice while whiplashing your own padawan…
Definetly found it better than Bobba and Kenobi and even Ashoka. I for one would love a season 2, Osha and Mae's actors should have some more experience come then and hold the show better. Again I want more pre empire stuff over another reclyment of post Revenge of the Sith established characters.
This show works under the assumption that the Jedi have read the script and realize they have to be extremely dumb for these events to happen. From the first fight in the show, we're told that the Jedi are dumb and cannot handle fighting 1 force sensitive with a pair of knives. They're not wise, they're not masters of their craft, they're morons with telekinetic powers and laser swords. While yes, they have not had to actually fight things in likely centuries; rigorous practice and meditation should prepare them for any kind of fighting or situation to deescalate any kind of conflict. It's just an insult to see.
It was just genuinely a bad show. There were cool moments, but 95% of the time I seriously had no idea what was happening, nor really cared. Nobody relates to these characters other than Leslye lol
Extra things that I took issue with: 1. Mei gives up her entire character motivation on a dime. She wants to turn to the darkside to kill the Jedi that murdered her family. She finds out Osha is alive, but the jedi that murdered the rest of her family are still around. She then just decides that she doesn't care anymore (eposdoe 4). Then, abruptly, her tone changes again and she goes and pretends to be Osha presumably to get close to Sol to kill him (though that's never explained). Why? She JUST said that she doesn't want to do that anymore! 2. Osha had 0 personality for the entire show. 3. The "force memory erase" thing is somwthing that was used in KOTOR, so we know it's a thing. BUT, to use it, the entire jedi counsel needed to work together to go through an excruciating process to make Revan lose his memories. In this show, the sith does it like he's just doing a mind trick. No big deal. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD EVERY JEDI/SITH NOT DO THIS ALL THE TIME TO EVERYONE IF IT WAS THAT EASY!??? 3. Bandits being able to control a foreign ship for no reason in the first episode. 4. Sol kills the mother for almost no reason. Fine, bad choice, but it fits the narrative. Why, then, do any of the other jedi feel bad? All of the witches died because their spell ended? That's not the jedi's fault. If that's the story you want to tell, HAVE THE JEDI JUST KILL THE WITCHES! Why give them an out if they all feel *this* guilty about it!? 5. Sol either knew Mei had swapped places with Osha the whole time, or is a terrible Jedi. Then, like Andrew pointed out, the whole thing makes even less sense when we learn that Mei knew the whole time that Sol had killed their mom.
Who cares if The Acolyte uses a puppet of Yoda? In the original The Phantom Menace, he looked different and it was a puppet. Then they added CGI from ROTS onto TPM in later versions. The first 6 Star Wars has tons and tons of plot holes because George was adding stuff along the way for the Prequels which were then never mentioned in the Originals which happens years later like Qui-Gon Jinn and midi-chlorians which Obi-Wan and Yoda never speak about in the OGs. You would think Obi-Wan would mention his former master at least once in the OGs but he’s never mentioned. Not even in private with Yoda. And if you want to go even further, where the hell is Ahsoka in all of this? Never mentioned at all in any of the 9 movies. Filoni makes it seem she’s so significant. R2-D2 did more for the rebellion than Ahsoka did. Star Wars has tons of continuity issues. In 3 of the 9 films, they used the same planet killer Death Star plot. Two of those from the OGs. You should check The Acolyte subreddit with people liking the show. One person said it’s at least taking risks and killing off most of the main characters or at least the so-called good guys. But there’s an interesting discussion if Sol deserved to get killed or not? Was he more bad than how many of us perceive him? Bad as in doing bad things. Not necessarily evil. *Thank* *you,* *The* *Acolyte* www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/s/kb7vWMWtxF You might have a different opinion on it when reading some of the more positive comments for it. Could The Acolyte be misunderstood? Or could it be so hated now but be appreciated years later like what the Prequels became? I’ve seen positive comments for The Acolyte coming from Star Wars fans of at least 30-40 years. And thirsty females / shippers like this Oshamir stuff as their dark side Reylo. I still think The Acolyte sucks and is the worst thing that ever came out of Star Wars. But, I might compare it to when I owned an Atari Jaguar. I thought it was the worst video game console I ever had but I still have a soft spot for it. Sometimes being so bad can be looked upon as a cult classic years later. There are tons of people who love Godzilla movies and get a joy watching cheesy, campy fights with guys in rubber suits. Everybody processes information and media content differently. The few positive aspects that The Acolyte did give us are… - Qimir / The Stranger - Best lightsaber fights since the Prequels - Darth Plagueis Plagueis could lead us to a young Palpatine series someday. What Star Wars Meg needs to talk about next is Darth Plagueis possibly being in a Season 2 of The Acolyte if we do get one. It’s the big WTF/OMG moment from Ep. 8. Yoda is my second favorite SW character ever but I didn’t care about his appearance. And more Abeloth talk in Season 2 of Ahsoka. Star Wars Meg and Allen Xie of Generation Tech are at best when talking about Legends and stuff deeper into the lore. Shows like Ahsoka and The Acolyte are more like this providing more of the mystique of Star Wars than say Andor.
In my opinion The Acolyte really wasn't for me, just feels like they mashed up a bunch of´actors and writers who had no clue what star wars was and called it a day :/
the fight in episode 5 ends in the worst possible way. They fought, swinging their lightsabers for 20 minutes, but Pip's flashlight was what attracted the bugs.
Hi Andrew, I just wanted to correct a mistake. You explained that a vergence in the force is the creation of life, it is explained in the show that a vergence is a extreme concentration of force energy in an area. The mothers used this to create life, this is a minor blunder and I will not hold you accountable. As always Stay Bombastic.
Agree, thanks Andrew! Lots of bad PR out there and Disney are writing it off as review bombing. You gave an honest review which doesn’t really touch on some of the toxic stuff Disney PR seems to be addressing (which is good). Agree with your sentiments .
Love how kindly you put this. You really phrased it respectfully whereas I think other creators regardless of how they feel, might be a little extra. Def don’t want a season two tho🙏🙏🙏
That Ki-Adi Mundi thing can be easily taken care of. Now that the Council knows it was Qimir, they'll just write it off as "Oh, it wasn't the Sith, jut some idiot pretending to be one!"
I honestly didn't think that the show was that bad, yes it had some pacing issues (and they killed of most of the interesting characters like Sol and ghekki), but it was far more cohesive than whatever mess the sequels were so I think we should give them credit for this. Also the fight choreography was the best we've seen of Disney yet so I definitely wouldn't mind an season 2, you know to wrap up or expand the plot point that we've seen.
If they go for a 2nd season they better make the characters more interesting (without sol we have only quimir). Also some of the acting felt underwhelming, I'm no expert on this argument so it's ofc just my opinion, but except Manny jacinto, Sol(don't wanna botch the actor name), the witch leader and Jackie , the others all fell flat Maybe it's just the uninteresting character and the script, but Amandala had 2 roles and none of them was convincing.
Acolyte literally had a budget of $65-67million more than ALL of the prequels. Zero excuses for any FX to be lacking. 100 MILLION MORE THAN KENOBI. FOR WHAT?!?
It also made worse hearing Leslye Headland reasoning for confusing parts. Like Sol having Benign Sexism, and Aniseya was turning into the force along with her daughter. Which would mean Sol saved her life by killing Aniseya, and yet Sol is seen in the wrong... Leslye has ideas but no understanding how to realized them and what it means with lore/cannon. I can come up with more example but its a waste of time.
24:40 The problem here isn't especially that he killed her, but that they were there in the first place. He had no right to be there. Sol is a highly emotional person and acted, because HE thinks Mae and Osha wre in danger. Torban made the first steps, but Sol encouraged him to go further.
I think every scene in this show needs a good butt-cut where the last frame you see is just someone's ass flying at the camera until it blots all else out. It feels fitting for this show. Also how is Seoul/Sol at fault? If someone turns into a smoke monster i think that's enough justification to stab them. Especially after the 13 year old/45 year old Padawan got possessed.
I personally think that we need a season 2 or at least a show that continues from where The Acolyte left off, I just feel like we were left with too many loose ends, especially when it comes to Plagueis.
I did a Google and I am mistaken. It had half the budget. Which means if we take away having to pay for RDJ, the budgets would match (he took a salary and 8% total revenue of the movie. Idk if that includes merchandise but I’d bet it does)
Seeing what i assume is plaugeis on screen i guess but i was hoping hed come at the end, proclaim quimir a failiure of a sith and kills everyone and goes off to discover a new apprentice.
In the last duel Qimir tries to pull Sol’s lightsaber into his helmet and in the last exchange Sol uses Trakata to turn off his lightsaber and turn it back on to dodge his block, it’s considered dishonorable among Jedi and cowardly among sith
I personally did enjoy the series, however I think that there could have been a couple tweaks per episode that would have vastly improved my enjoyment. The biggest problem in my opinion, was the weakness/unbelievability of character motivation.
I appreciate hearing someone give an honest review of this show without losing their shit. I did not think the show was very good, mostly for the same reasons you got into, though I think the hate watchers are going a bit extreme. The speed with which characters chose and changed motivations and personal missions was the weirdest thing about this show to me. It felt like every time something happened, characters turned on a dime in turns of what they wanted and what their goals were. You can call it lazy writing, but it's in a class of it's own. It feels like one of those stories around the campfire where one person tells a small part of a story, then each person takes a turn adding on to it.
Osha and Qimir: *Looks off into the sunset together.*
Darth Plageius lurking jn the shadows: "Oh my god they're holding hands"
"Where did I go so wrong... I should have listened to Space Alex Jones about the effects of Cortosis in a water supply"
@@HasturBetaSpace Alex Jones 😂
Imagine the point of view of someone who has no idea of the broader Star wars backstory. "Uh who was that creepy guy with the long fingers who appeared for 3 seconds and never again." At least everyone knows yoda.
@@andrewfromm6565For me it was like: who is the old homeless guy stalking Qimir?
What's his other hand doing? Giggity...
Anyone else like that the character named Osha was first introduced in an unsafe working environment?
I'm convinced that Osha was a joke placeholder name because she starts out working an unsafe job but then the nickname stuck and they kept it in. I love it lol
or the fact that this series that coincidentally has a character named Osha actually has railings for once?
I definitely got a kick out of that, luckily ive never had to deal wirh OSHA irl they would shut me down 100%
The fact that her sister wasn't named FEMA is a total missed opportunity
Osha and Meh.
Their names sum up the characters
Don’t laugh because it’s over, cry because it happened.
Seeing as a season 2 is likely, this seems appropriate.
@JoelPerry1 just don't watch it if that's how you feel. It's that easy, "oh I don't like that" *turns off*. just because you can have an opinion doesn't mean it's any more valid than mine or anyone else.
@giraffenuzZ Oh, I didn't watch it. That didn't stop me from hearing pretty much the whole show.
@@giraffenuzZ pot calling the kettle black
@@FoxHoundUnit90 how so?
4:39 The Acolyte had a higher budget than the Revenge of the Sith 😂
Don’t forget about inflation
@@Mr._RebornStill, that's alot of money, even in 2024. Plus the prequels was pushing and spending on cut edge new technology vs existing ones in the Acolyte
Bro dune part 2 cost less than all 3 prequal movies individually. Fuck inflation, learn to budget and not make a tax write off out of ur star wars show.
Adjusted for inflation RotS cost $176 million. OP is correct when he said “😂”
#inflation
I'm watching House of the Dragon season 2 as it comes out, and it's depressing watching it as a Star Wars fan. Seeing what a studio can do with a universe when they pay attention to details, cast good actors, write good scripts, and respect the story. Plus, if it matters to you, it has an incredibly diverse cast.
If the goal here was to tell a story about the Sith, give their perspective, show the Jedi to be arrogant, blind, and foolish, and also use the Pre-Phantom Menace era, why would you not just turn the Plagueis novel into a tv show?
House of the Dragon is based on a book, stays true to the wider GOT storyline and canon, has a diverse cast, AND had the same budget as the Acolyte. It's also made for its audience. Disney should learn from this and stop doubling down on the same mistakes each and every time.
Yeah because a show that promotes same family relations ships and messed up underage stuff.... the stuff they get away. but yeah no of course house of the dragon is good keep watching🤮
part of the problem is the sith are supposed to be lawful evil....as in, they want to rule the galaxy, they want power for powers sake, they are the ones who are arrogant, generally blind and foolish not the jedi. the jedi take emotion out of decision making, so they see the truth through the force.
it can be done showing the sith point of view what they they were doing at this point hiding in the shadows, etc but they are and always should be evil, and if your not evil, then your not sith. basically though, at this point they are hiding in the shadows and not really doing much. maybe show a story set 50-25 years before phantom menace and show palpatine devising his plan and setting it into motion, show him betraying his master. thatd be a good sith story.
Disney writers don’t want to follow canon. They believe they know more than George Lucas.
They could honestly make endless money of the extended universe novels. Like the sith wars, the plagueis books, the fucking Thrawne triology. Everything just writes itself and people already like it.
@@seiketso6386 their priority is pushing woke agendas instead of entertaining stories. Disney has everything they need to make star wars great but they are not interested in doing that.
I hate that stupid little beaver, he did so much shit for no reason
The Ki-adi-mundi part still doesnt make sense tbh. Everyone with him in that scene knows it was Mae that killed the first two jedi so they would know that Vernesta is lying to cover up the sith. I dont get why the jedi that know that Endara was killed by Mae would go along with Verns cover up.
Don't you get it, because Jedi are Evil and sith are Hot and good
Thats one of the main things with it. it doesn't have to be ki adi mundi I don't even think they use his name in the actual series and he doesn't have a big enough role for it to matter much
@@Mardark-e4s Well thats your level of maturity to not see that he's grooming her into joining him, promissing her power and freedom, but she won't realise it until its too late.
He went swimming and everything to show that he's completely vulnerable to attack at any point but she won't because he's offered her hospitality and she could leave anytime she wants showing the flaw of "the jedi way" Even when she does pull the lightsaber he manages to talk her down because he has all the answers in her eyes. he knows alot about mae, who she is and what shes been up to, so she listens to him.
Then at the end they work out that the only way to get the jedi off their tail is for them to catch the suspect so mae willingly lets him perform a mindwipe. Instead of just striking her down, to keep osha onside he shows her that she'll live and they can go back for her totally.... because she's going to learn the way of the sith to become more powerful. But its false... just like anakin and Padme. Theres the carot on a stick to lead them up the garden path until its too late.
But no, Darth bane, Palpatine, Plaguis, Darth Vader... Hot and good aparently...
@@popcrazyfishProductions r/whoosh
@popcrazyfishProductions Yeah, I’m pretty sure that was a joke.
I just realized I enjoy watching these videos more than I enjoy watching the Acolyte itself.
I think that's why movies are going out of business because people are skipping the films and coming to TH-cam.
@@randomflagg7331 Yeah.
@@randomflagg7331 And thats the issue people need to be told what to enjoy and what to hate... because they can't make their own mind up, they want generic stuff and studios to make things everything likes so you just get plain generic stuff. because if something shows something you don't (Oh sorry a content creator) doesn't like. It just gets burried by garbage people.
@@popcrazyfishProductions bro it had 13% on rotten tomatoes and that aint just content creators.
@@Mcdarnyl By that logic... the rise of skywalker was amazing
Personally I would have had Aniseya and the twins the only force users of the settlement. No witch stuff, men and other children there as well. The Jedi still come to Brendok looking for a vergence because the planet should be dead. They are welcomed in by the village. They stay there for a while, Osha becomes fascinated by the Jedi and forms a connection with Sol. The Jedi are interested in how Aniseya is powerful with the force, she says she taught herself but that isn’t true. She’s also not from Brendok, she came to the planet pregnant with the twins fleeing from something, the Jedi wonder about the father and she says something like “He was a bad man”. Osha wants to leave with the Jedi but Mae doesn’t (I would have made them much younger, maybe around 5 or 6).
It would take far longer to write the rest but to summarise I would have had Aniseya be the former apprentice to Darth Tenebrous, they were able to create life using the force and Aniseya was the vessel. As the twins grew Aniseya formed a motherly bond with her children, overcoming the power of the darkside. She flees Tenebrous and comes to settle on Brendok. Tenebrous later finds her, accompanied by his new appearance (either Qimir or Plagueis). He kills her and the whole village, taking Mae. He didn’t know yet there were twins. I haven’t fully thought this through yet but maybe Torbin is still there, witnesses the killing and tries to defend the village. Tenebrous keeps him alive, warps his mind to think he’s the one to have killed the settlers. The Jedi finds Torbin and think he’s responsible but cover it up (they’d left the settlement with Osha but not yet the planet). Torbin either later quits the order or does the whole Barash vow thing. I would have had Mae kill him first because she also believes he was responsible and also blames the other Jedi for not stopping him.
ive read dozens of csuggestions that would have made this series so much better and this is one of them. the fact that an entire writers room of professionally paid writers couldnt come up with anything good is so sad.
I love how we finally got Darth Plagueis for the first time on screen, and we get to have him in an awfully made show in his edging session while in his gooning cave.
@darkshadowking4733 Its not a story the Jedi would tell you.
@darkshadowking4733 yeah the tragedy is him being in this show
Honestly, I only disagree with your take on the budget. $130 million or something like that for the series. That was more than Revenge of the Sith. There is no excuse but incompetence and blatant disregard for what came before and not wanting to put the work in to be done correctly. This is the result of giving people high up jobs that have no business ever being in those positions to begin with. I just hope we can get qualified people into the jobs of power once more. And decanonize this whole show. It broke so much canon that it breaks my heart.
What did it decanonize?
@@VinnyVidiVintage the fact that anakin was the only character to be a force vergance. The entire controversy with Ki-Audi-Mundi and him being born 40+ years before his time, and the “sith have been extinct for a millennium”. The attempt to recon the force and replace it with the thread. Plaugus being in the wrong time (less of a canonical issue, just doesn’t seem like he should be here).
@@adee_080 Anakin was never staged to be the *only* person born by a vergence, and all the Jedi who knew the twins were as well are dead. The Jedi still believe the sith have been extinct for a millennium. The thread is just straight up not a retcon, it's just another cultures interpretation of the force, something we have already seen numerous times. This show has many, many issues, but things like these are just nitpicks that, imo, don't really contribute to why the show ended up the way that it did.
@@FadedGamingLove just watch Star Wars theory’s video. If you want to try and keep defending Disney who actively tries to destroy this IP, then I have no reason to argue with you, because you’re already too far gone.
anakin was created by the will of the force, the twins were an embryo made by people and split into two, by exploiting a naturally occurring vergance in a planet. They're not even the same thing. The force didn't choose the twins, they're not the chosen one.
Ki adi mundis age (despite NEVER having been relevant to the plot of star wars) wasn't even canon. Legends content and the back of trading cards aren't canon.
"The sith have been extinct for a millenia" is literally canonically a false belief. Phantom Menace and Revenge of The Sith make it very clear that the sith had always been around acting in secrecy.
The witches having a different name and practice for the force isn't a retcon or a replacement in any way...
Both Canon and EU have had different force users with unique practices and beliefs outside of the jedi.
Darth Plagueis also doesn't have a canon age.
Non of the things people are saying breaks canon in this show actually break canon.
Those youtube ranters you're saying people should watch are only concerned with getting out a video as fast as possible and to make it as inflammatory as possible for engagement in the comments section.
Finally a review that’s not bigoted, shilling, or holding back for whatever reason.
Darth Basil was Darth Jar Jar's sith master.
I think Torbin's Berash vow and suicide could be explained by the witches remaining in his head forever. His irrational choice to return to the witch coven is in line with what Annesaya told him to do when his mind was invaded. Kelnacca years later is also isolated, we see him being aggressive and having the witch symbols stuck in his head. Unlike them, Indara and Sol are fully functional in society, despite them also bearing guilt.
Still think the show missed in a lot of areas, but to me this seemed very intentional.
this is yet another great example of show dont tell. i liked this scene, showing what a corruption of the mind could look like...but like show us more, show us torbin losing his mind afterwards, him suiciding made no sense with what they put on screen.
I think at the end, sol being the only person to ever really show her kindness and really care for her in the end made it worse because the only person who had ever treated her with love and like family just so happened to be the person who's been lying to her this entire time and killed her mother
The entire premise of this show was operating under the assumption that a season 2 was guaranteed to happen. If you have a great story for season 2, just make that season 1. Then again, basic logical thinking is utterly lost on this writing and directing team.
That's probably the biggest reason why I am completely against a season 2. Season 1 was a joke. I didn't feel satisfied and I won't ever rewatch this for the enjoyment. Why do you deserve a second chance when you had 180 million to accomplish whatever you apparently wanted? Forget canon, forget lore. If you don't have a show where I can get invested into characters, I'd rather watch lightsaber fan films because that gets to the point.
They really did waste a lotta time because they expected a season 2
And also don't leave all the better things for later episodes. Sprinkle them around. And have a banger first episodes. I bet a lot of viewers checked out after episode 2 or 3 here.
The worst thing is people saying, "At least Qimir was cool", no Qimir was not cool, he only have a cool visual, but when wwe star to think about his motivation or his personality we see he was not a good character.
man i am from argentina and seeng people from outside talk about argentina makes me super happy hope you enjoy
Only good thing: fight choreography was unique
And that could go both ways
Unique but not good. Clear telegraphing, clear aim towards the lightsaber instead of the opponent, obvious lounges that wouldn’t even hit if the opponent did nothing, and painfully obvious openings that they don’t go for.
It was literally a rip off the Matrix 🤦♂️
I liked the fighting. The writing? not so much. The twins were so poorly written, they changed their mind/ motivation almost by scene. It made me lose all interest in them. But it was surprising to see who turned to the dark side, and who faced no consequences whatsoever for murder.
(the power of one, the power of two) the power of please stop
Got me so dead 😂😂💀
Edit mom I’m famous thanks for the likes 👍
The main problem with the Acolyte is that the story revolves around Osha and Mae really, but there is really no reason to like them or care what happens to them. I could care less about the twins; they were the worst part of the show and they are the central characters around which the whole story revolves. And it is no offense to the actress who plays them; she is fine in the role. It is more to do with the terrible script around those characters.
And the witch coven also; why am I supposed to give a damn about them? I didn't give one damn fig about the witches and, when they all died, I kind of found myself saying good riddance.
And I really didn't give a damn about Qimir either, cool lightsaber fights aside. And it would have been better if he had died also at the end as well. Glad the show is over, will never watch it again I think and has to be the worst Star Wars show along with the sequel trilogy (looking at you Last Jedi and Rise of bleeping Skywalker). Might as well make more Star Wars Holiday Specials if you are going to make shows this shitty.
Yeah those twins sucks I take the eternal twins of old republic over those fools.
My solution for Star Wars is simple, but I really think that Disney is blind to it.
Before a story becomes a good Star Wars story, it must first be a good story on its own. Making an undercooked story, a Star Wars tale not only acerbates the old fans but doesn't create many new ones. Disney needs just 1-2 honest executives to point out the garbage, I fear they don't have that by design.
They had a bigger budget than individual prequel movies… no excuse
True that. I've seen better looking and better written fan films on TH-cam
@@DC-nj8kv FR!!!
“ChatGPT, write a Star Wars TV show.”
A chat gpt Star Wars show would be better lmao
@@rhettbahe3909 "chatgpt, make a crappy star wars TV show produced under Kathleen Kennedy" sounds appropriate
@AngrycatStudios1 when I told chatgpt the prompt it gave me a show about jar jar binks
@@rhettbahe3909It wouldn't. Ai fucking sucks at generating concepts. Have you actually tried it
@@RandomInternetPerson8261 bet I'd take Darth Jar Jar any day
Darth plagueis is only 15 years old in this and kills tenebrous 65 years later
The writers don’t care. They just write whatever without research.
That’s legends. They’ve just giving him a canon age.
Why didn’t they use tenebrous?
Fun fact, the Acolyte had more budget than revenge of the Sith. So no excuses on making things look cheap and shit story writing.
Here are the budgets
The Phantom Menace - $115 million
Attack of the Clones - $115 Million
Revenge of the Sith - $113 Million
The Acolyte - $180 Million
Revenge of the Sith add almost half the budget of this show
Yeah, i just rewatched it like a few hours ago
It was the greatest star wars live action media since the OT
You kiddos will learn about inflation soon enough...
inflation
This is also longer then Revenge of the sith runtime speaking
And a lot of money went to music and scores, search up Acolyte themes…..
One thing i cant get out of my head is that this is supposed to take place 100 years before The Phantom Menace, so its 132 bby. Darth Plagueis' Master, Darth Tenebrous, dies in 67 bby. So that means that there's actually 3 sith lords and an acolyte for the third one? What the hell happened to the rule of two?
I never thought I would miss Ryan Johnson
4:40 bro said they didn’t have the budget to do what episode 3 did but it cost 113 million for episode 3 this show got 180 million they definitely has the resources to make it better imo
Maybe they had the money, but they sure as hell didn't have close to the amount of time that the prequels had to be made
The only good thing about the Acolyte was the lightsaber fights
And even the lightsaber fights were awfully choreographed and poorly shot, so there's nothing good about the show? Honestly watch shadiversity talk about it
@@cameronpritchett8300 his video completely changed my mind about the choreography, he does a great job of pointing out the difference between fast and flashy scenes, vs actual good fighting
@fknpanda7280 right? A good sword fight you don't aim for the sword you aim for the body. In every disney star wars they are aiming for the saber. Never the body.
@@cameronpritchett8300Have you even _seen_ the absolutely comically over-the-top fighting in Revenge of the Sith? Dueling while standing on a tiny drone, spinning lightsabers at each other like 3 feet apart from each other for seconds straight, getting cut in half because you decided to attack someone while somersaulting, and that's just one fight.
Nobody's looking at the choreography of the prequels and going "yeah, that's how real people fight." It's supposed to be over-the-top and look cool, and that's what it does very well. Star Wars has never had "realistic" fight choreography, it's judged on the basis of looking cool and demonstrating character traits through combat. Fights would be very boring if the goal was killing someone as efficiently as possible. It's like watching a martial arts movie and complaining that the combatants don't just tackle each other and start pummeling like in a real fight. Realism was never the point.
People love the prequels so they don't want to look at it critically, so when a show like this rolls around and has good fights, people slow it down and point out how "unrealistic" it is because they _want_ to dislike it.
This show was the final nail in the coffin for me. I have sold off most of my star wars collection and want nothing more to do with this franchise.
For me I’m just gonna take break on Star Wars after all of that rage baiting.
I want to sell my black series too. I can't look at it anymore
@@MaTe-du2lw
What do you enjoy about the show?
@@MaTe-du2lw
Can I have examples of world building, lore, and character moments? I’ve got maybe 5 moments I’d call decent while the rest I’d say were quite poor. :/
On the diversity part, it’s a fair critique of the show. Next to nobody had a problem with diversity in Arcane nor Andor nor the Fallen Order games because the writing is good first and foremost. Yet, we do have apparent intent to have a DEI focus for the show.
As a sidenote on diversity, the best parts were the actors who played Sol and Qimir. They did fantastic despite a lacking script and I see this even amongst strong critics (premium Ezra Miller being a funny nickname I heard).
On the Jedi being shown why they failed and the hypocrisy, does it follow from who the Jedi are? I’d say folks like Star Wars Theory have offered solid critiques in this vain. :)
Sorry for the barrage, would love to chat about the specifics you thought were good. Maybe I can increase the things I like about it that way! :)
@@MaTe-du2lw
"Andor ( Male main character) Also Andor didn't get much attention in general, because there was not much Jedi action)"
It got lots of attention from all the apparant haters of diversity, so that's good! :)
" Sol was liked by many but for what is Osha and her sister are hated? They act emotional, but they have a reason, since they are really lost. No family nothing."
I mean, I found the actress' performance quite flat to the point where I had no distinct character traits for Osha or Mae, especially following the big flip from Mae in episode 4. For, Osha seems chipper and well adjusted with Jecki, Yord, and her fellow mech tech, saving the crazed person on the prison ship, being kind and caring to her droid...only to then discover she has such deep-seeded emotional trauma that she kills Sol and is only bothered by it for maybe 5 seconds...her pseudo father figure. :/
Being lost is fine and good...but then again, i hardly see said turmoil being handled with gravity or with coherence.
EX: Luke Skywalker is dealing with his fear and connection with his friends (and sister) in TESB and ROTJ. This naturally follows given he lost his Aunt and Uncle and Kenobi which we got to see mourning for each character, and his closeness to Han and Leia. This culminates in ROTJ, after he got beat by Vader due to his attachments, then resulting in said attachments being used to cause Luke to use the dark side. Luke then has a chance to respond, tossing his weapon down...completing the trial and becoming a Jedi Knight. He still had his attachments, but they were now in their proper place, under his control, as his father would soon follow/emulate. :)
Plot twist: Darth jar jar is the one telling Darth jar jar what to do and if there’s a season 2 just as how plagueis was revealed we see a cloacae’s figure and he opens his eyes revealing yellow eyes and the iconic jar jar smile
We all know what Plagueis was doing in his goon cave in that one episode 6 scene
No season 2 pls
It’s funny that I was more invested in Bazils character than most of the main protagonists😂😂
I don’t think Sol was flawed for his decision to kill the mother witch at all. It may have come about of emotion, but it was perfectly reasonable to do. It may sound cruel but it really was. This witch has 1) been cold and untrusting to the Jedi the whole time, going as far as possessing and mentally manipulating a padawan 2) possibly abused and manipulated her children, at least from everything that Sol has seen, so it was reasonable to assume that 3) and worst of all, she turned into a sleep paralysis demon, and from what Sol was seeing, was disintegrating Mae. Sol had every reason to believe the witch was either going to attack them or harm the children.
8:15 NAH I GOT AN AD RIGHT THERE BRO THE TIMING IS IMPECCABLE
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Given how controversial the Acolyte has been, I wouldn't be surprised if the community starts appreciating it more down the line.
Star Wars seems to have a history of people warming up to stuff that was initially very controversial, be it the prequels, Rebels, or Last Jedi, obviously to different extents though. It's definitely the popular and socially acceptable opinion to hate the Acolyte right now, but that's part for the course for a ton of Star Wars media when it's first released
I would love a season 2 focusing on the sith and what goes on behind the shadows and in the caves as long as it makes the script perfect and not out placed and the audience not understanding because if it nails that along with some awesome lightsaber fighting and follows all canon rules this could easily redeem the acolyte for me
They will do the opposite of what makes sense.
This show was completely and utterly worthless and disappointing, if Lucas was able to, he’d buy Star Wars back and erase all this worthless excuse of Star Wars from the plain of existence, this “woke” line was crossed and the writer basically made a political statement, trying to change Star Wars was a bad play on Disney, and they are going to see a rapid decline on their budget and funding if this keeps up, it’s not about them, it’s about the story, they are destroying Star Wars because they want to make their fan fiction real, what they should of done is make a show about the old republic and stay cannon, instead of introducing lesbian space witches and then attack anyone who disagrees, us Star Wars fans are fed up and tired of this nonsense. If it wasn’t made by Lucas or felony, then it isn’t cannon, that’s just the facts, Star Wars was made in Lucas’s and (eventually) Felony’s mind, not dIsNeY, it’s absolutely disgusting what they are doing, the only acceptable thing about that worthless 18% good review show, was the lightsabers, and that’s because we got to see a kyber crystal bleed, and the sabers worked accurately for once, if you want to attack me, too bad and suck it up, this isn’t Star Wars, and they need to remove it or re-iterate it to save it because this is the worst I’ve seen Star Wars
I think this show was the final nail in the coffin for me, of how Disney is trying to plot these Star Wars movies/shows. It feels like they are trying to bring that prequel/ OG trilogy of how Anakin became depressed and turned to the dark side. It feels like they are trying to do that, but it just feels like the characters are emo and are overreacting or trying not to fix anything. Like atleast Anakin tried to fix it. It’s just flat out pathetic with how they are presenting Star wars
At least the choreography was.... better than some.
Somehow they made a worse TV Show than the Book of Boba Fett..
The Book of Boba Fett was more a parody and looked so cheap. After the superb Andor season one I never watched a single episode of the shows that came after it. And... that was, apparently, the right decision. 🙂
Crazy part is I’ve rewatched BOBF, it has good moments and episodes despite its flaws!
Same with Kenobi.
But I’ll never touch acolyte again after one watch through. Ever.
How tf does the most powerful Jedi of all time not sense multiple murders, people lying right to his face, and a Jedi turned evil?! There are SO MANY plot holes in this show I could go on forever! How is Ki-Adi-Mundi alive and why has he been keeping a SITH secret for multiple years. HOW DOES YODA NOT SENSE THAT!? Why is Plageuis alive!? You’re telling me he learned how to create life from WITCHES!? the power of one, the power of two, the power of WTF?! This show is a disgrace and I feel like Leslye Headland needs to be taught more about Star Wars, and needs to potentially think about being fired. Disgraceful. DISGRACEFUL. (btw no one cares about your sexuality or whatever, us nerds just want cool stuff)
I’m totally open for a season 2, but there are some things it must do.
Lots of depth for Vennessa’s character as well as many more scenes with her saber whip. The final episode got me invested in her story to the point where I want to see where it goes from here.
Larger scale of the Jedi temple and the Jedi order.
Really dig into the tension within the order and between them and the senate.
Character buildup with Kimir and Vennessa.
And most importantly: Take their time and not rush it. Let the development go at its own pace.
Agreed
I thought the series was ok and had some stand out moments but it left me wanting more and closure so I do want a season 2 but maybe executed better with less of the weird flash backs and more Plagueis because I was again left wanting more from him and we could even get Yoda Vs Plagueis ( but that might make more problems than we need) but most of all Basil. I liked and jokingly thought he was more important than other main characters because he was one of the only ones who survived but it be funny if he was working for Plagueis and I hope he is in season 2
the one thing I didn't like about Yoda is how they used the puppet, when they use the puppet it makes him feel older, as where here, Yoda is like 750 years old which yes is old but we saw what he did in Episode 2 and 3 and the clone wars
13:30 No it is certainly not resolved! You really want me to believe that in all of the years non of the padawans have turned to some kind of dark side and Qimir was an exception so that Vanestra thought it would be better to keep it as secret inorder to protect herself at the cost of letting sith to exist and not let jedi to know about them?! No, I’m sorry but I’m not buying it… Next time think twice while whiplashing your own padawan…
Definetly found it better than Bobba and Kenobi and even Ashoka. I for one would love a season 2, Osha and Mae's actors should have some more experience come then and hold the show better. Again I want more pre empire stuff over another reclyment of post Revenge of the Sith established characters.
This show works under the assumption that the Jedi have read the script and realize they have to be extremely dumb for these events to happen.
From the first fight in the show, we're told that the Jedi are dumb and cannot handle fighting 1 force sensitive with a pair of knives. They're not wise, they're not masters of their craft, they're morons with telekinetic powers and laser swords. While yes, they have not had to actually fight things in likely centuries; rigorous practice and meditation should prepare them for any kind of fighting or situation to deescalate any kind of conflict. It's just an insult to see.
Why did he mind wipe his own Sith apprentice?
It was just genuinely a bad show. There were cool moments, but 95% of the time I seriously had no idea what was happening, nor really cared. Nobody relates to these characters other than Leslye lol
Sol was the most likeable character and he was murdered by a first-time force choker for DOING NOTHING WRONG
Extra things that I took issue with:
1. Mei gives up her entire character motivation on a dime. She wants to turn to the darkside to kill the Jedi that murdered her family. She finds out Osha is alive, but the jedi that murdered the rest of her family are still around. She then just decides that she doesn't care anymore (eposdoe 4). Then, abruptly, her tone changes again and she goes and pretends to be Osha presumably to get close to Sol to kill him (though that's never explained). Why? She JUST said that she doesn't want to do that anymore!
2. Osha had 0 personality for the entire show.
3. The "force memory erase" thing is somwthing that was used in KOTOR, so we know it's a thing. BUT, to use it, the entire jedi counsel needed to work together to go through an excruciating process to make Revan lose his memories. In this show, the sith does it like he's just doing a mind trick. No big deal. WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD EVERY JEDI/SITH NOT DO THIS ALL THE TIME TO EVERYONE IF IT WAS THAT EASY!???
3. Bandits being able to control a foreign ship for no reason in the first episode.
4. Sol kills the mother for almost no reason. Fine, bad choice, but it fits the narrative. Why, then, do any of the other jedi feel bad? All of the witches died because their spell ended? That's not the jedi's fault. If that's the story you want to tell, HAVE THE JEDI JUST KILL THE WITCHES! Why give them an out if they all feel *this* guilty about it!?
5. Sol either knew Mei had swapped places with Osha the whole time, or is a terrible Jedi. Then, like Andrew pointed out, the whole thing makes even less sense when we learn that Mei knew the whole time that Sol had killed their mom.
I enjoyed the show personally, while occasionally the writing was odd, overall I found the place interesting.
Fanfiction level writing
The fight choreography was really good, other than the fight in the final episode I thought had too much slow mo.
i really hate the acolyte but like bombastic said there was some good parts
Yea, i liked the lightsaber duels and choreography but i didnt enjoy much else :/
Who cares if The Acolyte uses a puppet of Yoda? In the original The Phantom Menace, he looked different and it was a puppet. Then they added CGI from ROTS onto TPM in later versions. The first 6 Star Wars has tons and tons of plot holes because George was adding stuff along the way for the Prequels which were then never mentioned in the Originals which happens years later like Qui-Gon Jinn and midi-chlorians which Obi-Wan and Yoda never speak about in the OGs.
You would think Obi-Wan would mention his former master at least once in the OGs but he’s never mentioned. Not even in private with Yoda. And if you want to go even further, where the hell is Ahsoka in all of this? Never mentioned at all in any of the 9 movies. Filoni makes it seem she’s so significant. R2-D2 did more for the rebellion than Ahsoka did. Star Wars has tons of continuity issues. In 3 of the 9 films, they used the same planet killer Death Star plot. Two of those from the OGs.
You should check The Acolyte subreddit with people liking the show. One person said it’s at least taking risks and killing off most of the main characters or at least the so-called good guys. But there’s an interesting discussion if Sol deserved to get killed or not? Was he more bad than how many of us perceive him? Bad as in doing bad things. Not necessarily evil.
*Thank* *you,* *The* *Acolyte*
www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/s/kb7vWMWtxF
You might have a different opinion on it when reading some of the more positive comments for it. Could The Acolyte be misunderstood? Or could it be so hated now but be appreciated years later like what the Prequels became? I’ve seen positive comments for The Acolyte coming from Star Wars fans of at least 30-40 years. And thirsty females / shippers like this Oshamir stuff as their dark side Reylo.
I still think The Acolyte sucks and is the worst thing that ever came out of Star Wars. But, I might compare it to when I owned an Atari Jaguar. I thought it was the worst video game console I ever had but I still have a soft spot for it. Sometimes being so bad can be looked upon as a cult classic years later. There are tons of people who love Godzilla movies and get a joy watching cheesy, campy fights with guys in rubber suits. Everybody processes information and media content differently.
The few positive aspects that The Acolyte did give us are…
- Qimir / The Stranger
- Best lightsaber fights since the Prequels
- Darth Plagueis
Plagueis could lead us to a young Palpatine series someday. What Star Wars Meg needs to talk about next is Darth Plagueis possibly being in a Season 2 of The Acolyte if we do get one. It’s the big WTF/OMG moment from Ep. 8. Yoda is my second favorite SW character ever but I didn’t care about his appearance. And more Abeloth talk in Season 2 of Ahsoka.
Star Wars Meg and Allen Xie of Generation Tech are at best when talking about Legends and stuff deeper into the lore. Shows like Ahsoka and The Acolyte are more like this providing more of the mystique of Star Wars than say Andor.
In my opinion The Acolyte really wasn't for me, just feels like they mashed up a bunch of´actors and writers who had no clue what star wars was and called it a day :/
the fight in episode 5 ends in the worst possible way. They fought, swinging their lightsabers for 20 minutes, but Pip's flashlight was what attracted the bugs.
What i think is weird is that they said that Yoda would not appear but he did
Jeezzzz… I’m out. The fight sequence didn’t use force or something. The Jedi temple was small. Trivial & irrelevant!
Unless I’m wrong wasnt venestra on the “phone” with palps when she said “I need to talk to him”
4:47 we had a budget of 180 million…
Hi Andrew, I just wanted to correct a mistake. You explained that a vergence in the force is the creation of life, it is explained in the show that a vergence is a extreme concentration of force energy in an area. The mothers used this to create life, this is a minor blunder and I will not hold you accountable. As always Stay Bombastic.
If all of the characters from the first season were left behind and we just focused on Plagueis I would be hyped for a season 2.
14:02 yes there was a retcon , mundi shouldn't be alive at this point
Much like the two twins: Incredible potential, egregious execution.
Agree, thanks Andrew!
Lots of bad PR out there and Disney are writing it off as review bombing.
You gave an honest review which doesn’t really touch on some of the toxic stuff Disney PR seems to be addressing (which is good).
Agree with your sentiments .
I would KILL for a Palpatine origin series...
The temple was under construction someone mentioned that in their review
Love how kindly you put this. You really phrased it respectfully whereas I think other creators regardless of how they feel, might be a little extra. Def don’t want a season two tho🙏🙏🙏
Torvan is the Sith Lord behind everything
In Poland if someone is angry at it they call it"Alkoholita " Witch means addicted to vodka and this type of staff
That Ki-Adi Mundi thing can be easily taken care of. Now that the Council knows it was Qimir, they'll just write it off as "Oh, it wasn't the Sith, jut some idiot pretending to be one!"
My gripe with Ki Adi Mundi being in The Acolyte is that it's set 100 years before the prequels and in the prequels he's 70 something
Thank you for an honest review Andrew 👍
To be honest and fair... you pretty much nailed everything I feel about this show.
12:15 that door is shaped like Vader’s helmet. Neat little Easter egg.
Lol yes star wars butt cheeks was not done. Im shocked they didnt use that actually. It would fit with the show runners attitude
I honestly didn't think that the show was that bad, yes it had some pacing issues (and they killed of most of the interesting characters like Sol and ghekki), but it was far more cohesive than whatever mess the sequels were so I think we should give them credit for this. Also the fight choreography was the best we've seen of Disney yet so I definitely wouldn't mind an season 2, you know to wrap up or expand the plot point that we've seen.
If they go for a 2nd season they better make the characters more interesting (without sol we have only quimir).
Also some of the acting felt underwhelming, I'm no expert on this argument so it's ofc just my opinion, but except Manny jacinto, Sol(don't wanna botch the actor name), the witch leader and Jackie , the others all fell flat
Maybe it's just the uninteresting character and the script, but Amandala had 2 roles and none of them was convincing.
Acolyte literally had a budget of $65-67million more than ALL of the prequels. Zero excuses for any FX to be lacking.
100 MILLION MORE THAN KENOBI. FOR WHAT?!?
It also made worse hearing Leslye Headland reasoning for confusing parts. Like Sol having Benign Sexism, and Aniseya was turning into the force along with her daughter. Which would mean Sol saved her life by killing Aniseya, and yet Sol is seen in the wrong...
Leslye has ideas but no understanding how to realized them and what it means with lore/cannon. I can come up with more example but its a waste of time.
24:40 The problem here isn't especially that he killed her, but that they were there in the first place. He had no right to be there. Sol is a highly emotional person and acted, because HE thinks Mae and Osha wre in danger. Torban made the first steps, but Sol encouraged him to go further.
15:04 I felt shock after he force pushed everyone but I agree cutting after the red lightsaber was drawn would have put in probably more suspense
I think every scene in this show needs a good butt-cut where the last frame you see is just someone's ass flying at the camera until it blots all else out. It feels fitting for this show.
Also how is Seoul/Sol at fault? If someone turns into a smoke monster i think that's enough justification to stab them. Especially after the 13 year old/45 year old Padawan got possessed.
Why is that damn war criminal six head ki adi mundi in this show
I personally think that we need a season 2 or at least a show that continues from where The Acolyte left off, I just feel like we were left with too many loose ends, especially when it comes to Plagueis.
Totally fair review. Not one-sided. Thanks
‘It didn’t have the production budget of the prequels’…brother, it had a higher budget than infinity war
I did a Google and I am mistaken. It had half the budget. Which means if we take away having to pay for RDJ, the budgets would match (he took a salary and 8% total revenue of the movie. Idk if that includes merchandise but I’d bet it does)
Seeing what i assume is plaugeis on screen i guess but i was hoping hed come at the end, proclaim quimir a failiure of a sith and kills everyone and goes off to discover a new apprentice.
W ending right there
"You have failed me, Inquisitor"
He’s supposed to be 15💀
This show is what happens when a tumblr fanfiction author gets hired by a studio.
In the last duel Qimir tries to pull Sol’s lightsaber into his helmet and in the last exchange Sol uses Trakata to turn off his lightsaber and turn it back on to dodge his block, it’s considered dishonorable among Jedi and cowardly among sith
I personally did enjoy the series, however I think that there could have been a couple tweaks per episode that would have vastly improved my enjoyment. The biggest problem in my opinion, was the weakness/unbelievability of character motivation.
I think a season two has potential. But they need to drastically change their approach.
I appreciate hearing someone give an honest review of this show without losing their shit. I did not think the show was very good, mostly for the same reasons you got into, though I think the hate watchers are going a bit extreme. The speed with which characters chose and changed motivations and personal missions was the weirdest thing about this show to me. It felt like every time something happened, characters turned on a dime in turns of what they wanted and what their goals were. You can call it lazy writing, but it's in a class of it's own. It feels like one of those stories around the campfire where one person tells a small part of a story, then each person takes a turn adding on to it.
Seems like the pacing was off because they tried to make it a show and not a movie