I just bought atari from the guy which has it 30 years in attic, and to my surprise this module is there installed. So looking forward to try it. I hope I will be able to find somewhere this PC-SPEED software which is looks like mandatory
I used PC Ditto software emulation. It ran at something like 1/10 the speed of a 4.77MHz 8088. I could run some things on it, slowly, of course, but some things crashed frequently (PSPICE, for example). It was mostly a novelty, to be honest. Doing school work on it just wasn't really feasible.
Very wrong, Jack Tramiel never said "we need something against Amiga". ST was already in making when he got Atari and that was months before Commodore bought Amiga. And ST is NOT Amiga light, Amiga has very restricting game console architecture, while ST is more general computer architecture with proper controllers. Also ST is faster then Amiga and had excellent option of 640x400 SM 124 monitor which made it a excellent productivity software computer, which Amiga never was. In fact ST was made as cheaper alternative to Apple Macintosh, no one really cared about Amiga at Tramiels Atari... Edit: Windows 3.0 ran on XT machines and If I right remember if you had MegaFile HDD on ST you could run Win3.0 on the PC-Speed as well. Here was the Olivetti mode the best.
I had a 1040ST and used it through my last year of high school and 4 years of college. I first got a "Magic Sac" for Mac hardware emulation, which was a nice novelty. But then I got a copy of PC ditto which was good enough to run WordPerfect and some other basic software I had copies of. In college I mostly used Unix for C programming, Mac for reports, and PCs for DOS games. A year after I finished, I got a Win3.1 machine 486-33. I wish I had a community of ST people to try out games and software with but pre internet, I did not, so I never knew of many of the ST games outside of the few I would find at the stores.
Great video, looks quite fast. I had the KCL PowerPC hardware for my Amiga 500 for the sole purpose of playing Flight Simulator. It used an NEC V30 and was an impressive integration effort, even managing EGA.
I purchased the PC Speed back in the early 90's for my 520STFM (Upgraded t0 2.5Mb). I used an external floppy drive as well as the internal for programes. It cost £49.99 here in the UK and I installed it myself. I used it a lot for Autoroute, the road map program. I also tried some games on it, and I'm sure it would do Tandy mode in colour. I still have the machine in a box, it hasen't seen the light of day for a few years. But, about 5 years ago, I also acquired an AT Speed board, I swapped out the PC-Speed board for the AT, and it did boot, but unfortunately, The Atari is back in the box, I'd also like to see the difference. Maybe one day.
@@root42 I did yes, just the internal floppy in the ST and an external Cumana DS/DD drive, I shall try and revisit these emulators with more modern SD card peripherals
Great video. All informations were correct as far as I remember. I had the AT Speed variant and paid exactly 308 DM for it in 1991. I don't know what I thought I would use it for back then. Maybe I was only fascinated by the technology. It was of no real use unless you needed to use a special piece of business software for work or university. Otherwise there was much better business software for any kind of job running natively on the ST. That money wasn't well spent.
Yeah, I guess if you needed some university software to run it was ok, or if you had a small business and the usual bookkeeping software was DOS based... then perhaps!
@@root42 there was plenty of flavors of bookkeeping software native for Atari, you really didnt have no need for DOS emulator unless you really went to Uni and they demanded the use of specific DOS software...
It looks like you were running Maniac Mansion in composite NTSC artifact mode, something that looked pretty darn good on CGA but was almost never used. Usually composite artifact color was only used by otherwise-monochrome systems like the Apple II.
I am not sure this was Composite mode. I rather think that the ST in monochrome mode maps the four bit patterns for the colors (00, 01, 10, 11) to "stripes" on the monochrome display. Each 320x200 CGA pixel gets two or two by two monochrome pixels, patterned as the bit pattern prescribes. It does look a bit like the composite mode striping though.
I have found this board in my boxes with retro equpment. My father used it quite extensively 30 years ago and I'm willing to risk plugging it back again into my old Atari 520 STm. I can't find PDF manual, I need to make sure in what orientation should I insert it onto socket on top of 68000. Can you help, please?
STM as in with external floppy and power supply? Not sure. This pic shows the orientation. Notch of the CPU points LEFT: forum.atari-home.de/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14562.0;attach=23886;image
@@root42 Great thanks! This link helps a lot, I don't speak German and it's quite difficult for me to navigate this forum, and I can't see nowhere else any useful information.
Atari made so many computers… I have experience only with very few. Doom and Wolf3D would require a 386 or 286 respectively so on this particular emulator it wouldn’t run.
@@gondorianslayer4250 No, this is dependent on the PC emulator card you are adding, in this case the limiting factor is the PC Speed board I have shown here, using the 8086. The Atari ST series uses a Motorola 68000 CPU, which is totally incompatible anyway. There might be of course ports of Wolf3D and Doom for the ST, but even those probably require faster CPUs, like a 68020 or better. But I am no ST expert, so I couldn't even say if those ports are readily available.
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That's a really interesting card, especially being so relatively lacking in components. Very nice!
I just bought atari from the guy which has it 30 years in attic, and to my surprise this module is there installed. So looking forward to try it. I hope I will be able to find somewhere this PC-SPEED software which is looks like mandatory
I used PC Ditto software emulation. It ran at something like 1/10 the speed of a 4.77MHz 8088. I could run some things on it, slowly, of course, but some things crashed frequently (PSPICE, for example). It was mostly a novelty, to be honest. Doing school work on it just wasn't really feasible.
When Commodore came up with the Amiga? That never happened. Atari 8-bit computer creators came up with the Amiga.
Very wrong, Jack Tramiel never said "we need something against Amiga". ST was already in making when he got Atari and that was months before Commodore bought Amiga. And ST is NOT Amiga light, Amiga has very restricting game console architecture, while ST is more general computer architecture with proper controllers. Also ST is faster then Amiga and had excellent option of 640x400 SM 124 monitor which made it a excellent productivity software computer, which Amiga never was. In fact ST was made as cheaper alternative to Apple Macintosh, no one really cared about Amiga at Tramiels Atari...
Edit:
Windows 3.0 ran on XT machines and If I right remember if you had MegaFile HDD on ST you could run Win3.0 on the PC-Speed as well. Here was the Olivetti mode the best.
There were also SACK AT-Speed and VORTEX AT-Once. Replicas of them are available.
Have you got any links to the replicas? Could be interesting
I had a 1040ST and used it through my last year of high school and 4 years of college. I first got a "Magic Sac" for Mac hardware emulation, which was a nice novelty. But then I got a copy of PC ditto which was good enough to run WordPerfect and some other basic software I had copies of. In college I mostly used Unix for C programming, Mac for reports, and PCs for DOS games. A year after I finished, I got a Win3.1 machine 486-33. I wish I had a community of ST people to try out games and software with but pre internet, I did not, so I never knew of many of the ST games outside of the few I would find at the stores.
Great video, looks quite fast. I had the KCL PowerPC hardware for my Amiga 500 for the sole purpose of playing Flight Simulator. It used an NEC V30 and was an impressive integration effort, even managing EGA.
Fascinating video..... Black on white looks so wrong though!
Your description of the ST being an Amiga lite is 100% spot on. I've never really thought about it like that.
Nice video, and yes with the AT-Speed you could run Windows 3.00 in protected mode (but you needed at least an ST with 2 mb of ram).
I purchased the PC Speed back in the early 90's for my 520STFM (Upgraded t0 2.5Mb). I used an external floppy drive as well as the internal for programes. It cost £49.99 here in the UK and I installed it myself. I used it a lot for Autoroute, the road map program. I also tried some games on it, and I'm sure it would do Tandy mode in colour. I still have the machine in a box, it hasen't seen the light of day for a few years. But, about 5 years ago, I also acquired an AT Speed board, I swapped out the PC-Speed board for the AT, and it did boot, but unfortunately, The Atari is back in the box, I'd also like to see the difference. Maybe one day.
Awesome. Did you have a hard disk for the ST, or did you run everything from floppy?
@@root42 I did yes, just the internal floppy in the ST and an external Cumana DS/DD drive, I shall try and revisit these emulators with more modern SD card peripherals
I did once try a Megafile 30 hard disk, but it failed on me..
Great video. All informations were correct as far as I remember. I had the AT Speed variant and paid exactly 308 DM for it in 1991. I don't know what I thought I would use it for back then. Maybe I was only fascinated by the technology. It was of no real use unless you needed to use a special piece of business software for work or university. Otherwise there was much better business software for any kind of job running natively on the ST. That money wasn't well spent.
Yeah, I guess if you needed some university software to run it was ok, or if you had a small business and the usual bookkeeping software was DOS based... then perhaps!
@@root42 there was plenty of flavors of bookkeeping software native for Atari, you really didnt have no need for DOS emulator unless you really went to Uni and they demanded the use of specific DOS software...
Insane configuration 2-in-1 ! :-)
It looks like you were running Maniac Mansion in composite NTSC artifact mode, something that looked pretty darn good on CGA but was almost never used. Usually composite artifact color was only used by otherwise-monochrome systems like the Apple II.
I am not sure this was Composite mode. I rather think that the ST in monochrome mode maps the four bit patterns for the colors (00, 01, 10, 11) to "stripes" on the monochrome display. Each 320x200 CGA pixel gets two or two by two monochrome pixels, patterned as the bit pattern prescribes. It does look a bit like the composite mode striping though.
I have found this board in my boxes with retro equpment. My father used it quite extensively 30 years ago and I'm willing to risk plugging it back again into my old Atari 520 STm. I can't find PDF manual, I need to make sure in what orientation should I insert it onto socket on top of 68000. Can you help, please?
STM as in with external floppy and power supply? Not sure. This pic shows the orientation. Notch of the CPU points LEFT:
forum.atari-home.de/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14562.0;attach=23886;image
@@root42 Great thanks! This link helps a lot, I don't speak German and it's quite difficult for me to navigate this forum, and I can't see nowhere else any useful information.
Good work.
Which model of Atari computer you recommend?
Will this play doom, wolf 3d?
Atari made so many computers… I have experience only with very few. Doom and Wolf3D would require a 386 or 286 respectively so on this particular emulator it wouldn’t run.
@@root42would the mega st 4 play those since that's newer.
@@gondorianslayer4250 No, this is dependent on the PC emulator card you are adding, in this case the limiting factor is the PC Speed board I have shown here, using the 8086. The Atari ST series uses a Motorola 68000 CPU, which is totally incompatible anyway. There might be of course ports of Wolf3D and Doom for the ST, but even those probably require faster CPUs, like a 68020 or better. But I am no ST expert, so I couldn't even say if those ports are readily available.
@@root42gotcha, thanks for explaining.
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