Originally in 7x57, this rifle was converted to .30-06 by the military "fabrica de Itajuba" to use the same ammunition of the M1 Garand during II WW. The 1908 models are from DWM and the 1935 models are from Mauser Obendorf, rifles and carbines.
It has nothing to do with Brazil using these guns during WW2. During WW2 nearly all weapons used by Brazil were supplied by the Allies. Brazil received so much obsolete US surplus ammo in the '60s and '70s, that recalibration of some of their "obsolete" guns made sense. Those guns were ONLY used for training purposes: Free US ammo is better than having to buy 7.92mm. All of the worn guns, are worn, not because of wars, but because of Brazilian conscripts misusing them during the '60s, '70s and '80s. Same reason we (Brazil) recalibrated some of them in the 90s/00s to 7.62NATO . Sorry to say, but it isn't a war time adjustment. Still a very interesting Cold War adaptation
They ARE Czech made guns. The Brno arms manufacturer made them in the original long Model 08 style for Brazil. Brazilian companies did the conversions to the 08/34 and the 08/34 .30 modification.
An old friend of mine was stationed in Brazil during WW2 and was the radar man on a PBM that sunk U513. There is an interview of him on youtube somewhere in a longer video of people looking for sunken Uboats. He told me the sub didnt dive and decided to fight with its cannon and machine guns and he though they did it thinking the plane was Brazilian and not US. The guys that dove off into the water died of the shock of the bombs and the guys on the deck lived to be captured including the captain in a raft dropped by the plane
from 'bolt action military rifles of the world'- the model 1908/34.30- bought 100,500 bought from Brno then updated by brazil to .30-06 to facilitate the purchase of ammunition from the US. they are rebuilt with new stocks and receivers .
I've been studying those nice rifles for a while now and from what I've heard, the reason why it looks like a Czech rifle is because it is an exact copy of a vz. 24, which the state of São Paulo acquired 15 thousand of these original vz's during this sort of civil war during the 1930s and after the war, they used it as the base for the new standard issue rifle.
Brazil had a contingent of soldiers that served in 1944 and 1945 in Italy alongside some US units. Might have been the equivalent of a division. Also had a fighter squadron. Interestingly, Mexico also supplied a fighter squadron using P-47s I think, also in Italian theater. Link about Brazilian Expeditionary Force en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Expeditionary_Force
They were supplied with US weapons as well. So it is not because of that. Brazil just got so much surplus ammo during the '60 and '70, that recalibration made sense. The .30-06 were used well into the '80 for basic training of the police and military. That is why the .30-06 mausers always look crappy: They were never used in war - but extensively in training. The 7mm's always stayed in stock. Those are easy to find in excellent condition.
Based on the design and front closed sight, I’m guessing that is a Czechoslovakian “BORNO”. Manufacture. Looks like the maker-mark was removed and “made in Brazil” stamped on.
The first firearm I ever purchased was one of these back in around 1998 or 1999 or so. I should have never sold it. It was a great rifle. I just recently picked another up and it is also in really good shape. Both were chambered in .30-06. A quick search on gunbroker usually turns up the more common 7mm Mauser chambering.
Interesting rifle 👍. What did you end up getting for this rifle? I like the sling design. I've seen the Peruvian Mauser 30-06 that was rebarreled by FN but never seen this one but I like it. Thanks for sharing
Interesting I picked up on a while ago that is in awesome shape. I thought it was modified by the Brazilians to 30-06 but everything I can find says this rifle was made originally chambered that way.. now.. just need to find a sling....
You were right the first time in that it was modified by Brazil to .30-06, hence the .30 at the end of the model stamped on the receiver. After WWII, Brazil adopted the .30-06 as their service cartridge so many 08/34s were converted to this caliber.
just handled one of these on the rack. tag was labeled "CZ BRNO 1908/34" but it was labeled as 7mm, not chambered/converted to 30-06. Could that be correct? I didn't think to check if receiver was stamped with place of manufacture.
I just passed on one at a gun show because it had been sporterized. Also because i dont have anything else in .30-06 and didmt want to start now. In any case the are beautiful and well made. In originsl form they are highly collectable.
I could be wrong but i believe its a german made mauser sold to brazil by the mauser company in 7mm mauser and then later rechambered to .30-06. It could jave been rechambered by the brazillians for reasons of standardizing with the U.S. or because after WWII 7mm mauseer was in short supply. but i had always heard it was done by an importer to resell them here. About the markings i believe its also like the Turks, made by germans but relabled after reaching its purchasing country.
@@yukon4545 yeah except the Turks ground off the Mauser stamps and restamped their recievers, so im not sure about that. Im just asking because im interested in the mystery too, is there any info on any brazillian weapons manufacturing. Rearsenal is a seperate thing.
Ok the reason I made the video, and used the word confusion, If you buy a book tat list the different model Brazilian rifles you will find, M 08 rifles made in germany from 1908-1914, M 1922 carbine made by FN , VZ 24 made in Czechoslovakia sold to brazil, M1908/34 BUILT IN BRAZIL AT ITAJUBA just like it is marked on the receiver. There were several sources of rifles, but this one was built in Brazil and was not re barreled or re-worked from another rifle.
@@TheKoba49 Have been re-worked in the '60 and '70s. These guns were used with US surplus ammo EXCLUSIVELY for conscript training. Recalibration happened in the '90s and '00s to 7.62 NATO. Again these guns are exclusively used for training conscripts. That is why you always find them in poor condition.
Brazilian mauser where made in German then sent to Brazil reason they’re covert to 30-06 to to sell to us American same with the mosin that where made in the us and the Spanish mauser
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Originally in 7x57, this rifle was converted to .30-06 by the military "fabrica de Itajuba" to use the same ammunition of the M1 Garand during II WW.
The 1908 models are from DWM and the 1935 models are from Mauser Obendorf, rifles and carbines.
This 1908, in 7x57, was refurbished by Fábrica de aitajubá, chambered for .30-06 in1934.
It has nothing to do with Brazil using these guns during WW2. During WW2 nearly all weapons used by Brazil were supplied by the Allies. Brazil received so much obsolete US surplus ammo in the '60s and '70s, that recalibration of some of their "obsolete" guns made sense. Those guns were ONLY used for training purposes: Free US ammo is better than having to buy 7.92mm. All of the worn guns, are worn, not because of wars, but because of Brazilian conscripts misusing them during the '60s, '70s and '80s.
Same reason we (Brazil) recalibrated some of them in the 90s/00s to 7.62NATO . Sorry to say, but it isn't a war time adjustment. Still a very interesting Cold War adaptation
They ARE Czech made guns. The Brno arms manufacturer made them in the original long Model 08 style for Brazil. Brazilian companies did the conversions to the 08/34 and the 08/34 .30 modification.
An old friend of mine was stationed in Brazil during WW2 and was the radar man on a PBM that sunk U513. There is an interview of him on youtube somewhere in a longer video of people looking for sunken Uboats. He told me the sub didnt dive and decided to fight with its cannon and machine guns and he though they did it thinking the plane was Brazilian and not US. The guys that dove off into the water died of the shock of the bombs and the guys on the deck lived to be captured including the captain in a raft dropped by the plane
The Brazilians sunk some U-boats too
from 'bolt action military rifles of the world'- the model 1908/34.30- bought 100,500 bought from Brno then updated by brazil to .30-06 to facilitate the purchase of ammunition from the US. they are rebuilt with new stocks and receivers .
I've been studying those nice rifles for a while now and from what I've heard, the reason why it looks like a Czech rifle is because it is an exact copy of a vz. 24, which the state of São Paulo acquired 15 thousand of these original vz's during this sort of civil war during the 1930s and after the war, they used it as the base for the new standard issue rifle.
Brazil had a contingent of soldiers that served in 1944 and 1945 in Italy alongside some US units. Might have been the equivalent of a division. Also had a fighter squadron. Interestingly, Mexico also supplied a fighter squadron using P-47s I think, also in Italian theater.
Link about Brazilian Expeditionary Force en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Expeditionary_Force
They were supplied with US weapons as well. So it is not because of that. Brazil just got so much surplus ammo during the '60 and '70, that recalibration made sense. The .30-06 were used well into the '80 for basic training of the police and military. That is why the .30-06 mausers always look crappy: They were never used in war - but extensively in training. The 7mm's always stayed in stock. Those are easy to find in excellent condition.
Based on the design and front closed sight, I’m guessing that is a Czechoslovakian “BORNO”. Manufacture.
Looks like the maker-mark was removed and “made in Brazil” stamped on.
Fiz o tiro de guerra em 1975 e a instrução militar era dada com essa arma. Calava a baioneta na ponta do cano.
The first firearm I ever purchased was one of these back in around 1998 or 1999 or so. I should have never sold it. It was a great rifle. I just recently picked another up and it is also in really good shape. Both were chambered in .30-06. A quick search on gunbroker usually turns up the more common 7mm Mauser chambering.
Shown in the Standard Catalog of Military Firearms by Phillip Peterson. An excellent reference book.
Interesting rifle 👍. What did you end up getting for this rifle? I like the sling design. I've seen the Peruvian Mauser 30-06 that was rebarreled by FN but never seen this one but I like it. Thanks for sharing
Does the number on the aluminum band around the trigger guard start with an SS marking? It appears to be a Springfield sporters inventory tag
Thanks for the vid. Clean that rifle man!!! :P
Interesting I picked up on a while ago that is in awesome shape. I thought it was modified by the Brazilians to 30-06 but everything I can find says this rifle was made originally chambered that way.. now.. just need to find a sling....
You were right the first time in that it was modified by Brazil to .30-06, hence the .30 at the end of the model stamped on the receiver. After WWII, Brazil adopted the .30-06 as their service cartridge so many 08/34s were converted to this caliber.
just handled one of these on the rack. tag was labeled "CZ BRNO 1908/34" but it was labeled as 7mm, not chambered/converted to 30-06. Could that be correct? I didn't think to check if receiver was stamped with place of manufacture.
the rifles were 7mm not all were converted to 30/06
@@TheKoba49 they had it priced at $500. how is that in today's market? right next to it was a rougher Chilean 7mm mauser at $300.
I just passed on one at a gun show because it had been sporterized. Also because i dont have anything else in .30-06 and didmt want to start now. In any case the are beautiful and well made. In originsl form they are highly collectable.
Is there dates on the rifle? If Brazil made it as like a upgrade Version from the exported ones when were they made?
Good to know I’ll just go by the footnotes
I could be wrong but i believe its a german made mauser sold to brazil by the mauser company in 7mm mauser and then later rechambered to .30-06. It could jave been rechambered by the brazillians for reasons of standardizing with the U.S. or because after WWII 7mm mauseer was in short supply. but i had always heard it was done by an importer to resell them here. About the markings i believe its also like the Turks, made by germans but relabled after reaching its purchasing country.
If Germany would have made it, it would have DWM or another manufacturer on the receiver instead of the Brasilia stamp.
@@yukon4545 yeah except the Turks ground off the Mauser stamps and restamped their recievers, so im not sure about that. Im just asking because im interested in the mystery too, is there any info on any brazillian weapons manufacturing. Rearsenal is a seperate thing.
Ok the reason I made the video, and used the word confusion, If you buy a book tat list the different model Brazilian rifles you will find, M 08 rifles made in germany from 1908-1914, M 1922 carbine made by FN , VZ 24 made in Czechoslovakia sold to brazil, M1908/34 BUILT IN BRAZIL AT ITAJUBA just like it is marked on the receiver. There were several sources of rifles, but this one was built in Brazil and was not re barreled or re-worked from another rifle.
@@TheKoba49 Thats cool. So that pretty much solves the lineage.
@@TheKoba49 Have been re-worked in the '60 and '70s. These guns were used with US surplus ammo EXCLUSIVELY for conscript training. Recalibration happened in the '90s and '00s to 7.62 NATO. Again these guns are exclusively used for training conscripts. That is why you always find them in poor condition.
Brazilian mauser where made in German then sent to Brazil reason they’re covert to 30-06 to to sell to us American same with the mosin that where made in the us and the Spanish mauser
Esses foram usados no cangaço , muita história
Também foi i usada por SP na revolução constitucionalista de 1932
Foi esse rifle que matou lampião
How much do you want for the rifle?
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What’s a good price?