Insane 250,000 hour bot challenge in Rocket League
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 พ.ค. 2022
- This Rocket League bot has over 250,000 hours of training in the game and has reached the grand champion level, powered by AI machine learning. But does it suck at Rocket League?
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While "you're a bot" may one day be a compliment, "I lost to a bot" will never *not* be embarrassing.
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That slow dibble turn is terrifying. Its so controlled that he can just insta flick at any point if he sees you go to challenge.
agreed. imagine seeing that in a match... instant ff ^^
If you play them against like 2v1, they gang up on you. Pros haven't been able to win a best of 5 against Nexto in 2v1 setting. It's quite crazy. Fairy Peak (took 1 game, goat obviously), Kaydop, Chausette, Mawkzy all lost. Mawkzy played like 15 straight matches to finally win 1. The next version of Nexto is probably going to be ssl or very close.
@@stranger16luis71 where can i see that?
@@stranger16luis71 you say next version but it is evolving constantly by playing its self and will never stop learning
i think he can read you controls on the game code, so its even more terrifying
Hi guys, bot creator here.
Thanks to Sunless for doing this awesome video!
Nexto is still training over at the RLGym Twitch channel, where we also do showmatches from time to time (we've had several pros attempt the 1v2). By this point Nexto has amassed over 300k hours, and is better than the version Sunless played😉
We’ve released the version that Sunless played to RLBot, but the best is yet to come, so keep an eye out!
The kaydop game vs nexto was great!
Love y'all guys
why not just release several versions of nexto? necto is so weak
All we need now is for them to be programmed to say "calculated" every time they score.
FIrst funny comment ive seen so far
Brilliant!
LOL
this is the best youtube comment i've ever seen
Custom RLBot bots have access to quickchats so a lot of them already do that haha
Imagine the game has this in training and it actually lets u choose what rank u want to play against, that'd be nuts
It does if you do a private match.... But the bots suck no matter the difficulty.
@@Kibannn yeah, i mean, if I won a 1v2 against All-Star Bots, everybody can. Rocket League bots are easy, no matter the difficulty...
I would love that
That would literally be the best way to train. If any 2v2 bots get as good as this one we could see alot more GC's in the future.
@@falcon1378 but then again.. the ranks below it will become even tougher to get through cuz they will be learning how to play properly because of these bots.. I'm talking bout players from Gold 3 and up will try to mimmik these bots in terms of mechanics and you'll see how mechanical these Gold 3 players and above gets
and also.. tutorial videos on how to rank up may tell you.. do 3v3s against these bots.. it's like playing ranked games, but with higher tier bots who are mechanical
Sunless: "This is a Best Of 3 by the way"
Also Sunless: *Proceeds to play 6 games in total and losing 5 of them*
Try a pro vs Nexto
just a casual bo11
@@FoggyMcFogFace exactly just your typical bo11
@@SunlessKhan yeah exactly, everyone plays bo11 all the time it’s completely normal
What are you guys talking about? He beat it 1st try.
Sunless: "Its flicks are so high like what, who flicks like that"
Athena: "..."
Ss this the perfect teammate for Athena?
@@TooS1mple Yes
Sunless: "Yes! I finally won!"
Us: "Fool. You've only made him stronger."
He doesn't learn from playing humans
@@shadowyzephyr
It...It is an AI..its not a living being. Therefore its not classified as such. Oh, and I dont believe this was sunless playing. It was probably one of his many pro Pals doing it....
@@shadowyzephyr so it only learns in freeplay? Or from other bots?
@@ToothpasteJuice It plays itself over and over again constantly and learns from that
@@Akai93 technically since there is so many variables it brute forces techniques if it merely goes against its self it eventually will have technical flaws that it never learned because it’s merely going against its self
We need a Nexto bot in the game, and when you beat him you get a player title: "Beat Nexto in 'X' Tries"
Wait that's actually a pretty awesome idea
ye we totally need this.. How am I to get better at the game with a bunch of slow bots
Genius
Could you imagine “Nexto” as a challenge above “Unfair” for bot matches
But since Nexto is constantly improving, it wouldnt be the same beating him now or like a month later. Therefor it would be kinda unfair among the players
Can't wait until they get to ssl level
No way TheMisterEpic is here. >:O
Imagine after some more training the bot goes up against Arsenal. It’ll be funny as well😄
If they continue development, it is pretty inevitable.
Misterepic hi bro didnt except to see u here!
Wassup mister epic
When you think of it, Nexto is the proof you can be as good as a grand champion without any mechanics except great flicks. Even when he tried the aerial save he failed.
He is extremely consistent. Consistent base mechanics are very valuable.
flakes did a road to ssl in 1s using ONLY rolling dribbles and powerslide cuts
This would literally be a nice Training to be implemented in Rocket League. Something like a Challenge Mode.
1v1 against actually good bots like Nexto.
If you win, you receive a special item (Banner, Title etc.)
If you get RLBot, you can play their story mode and go against the bots in ascending order of difficulty
I know I'm ahead of myself here, but: Single player 3v3 seasons with GC level bots....that would be so awesome.
yeah i think a title based on what rank of nexto you beat would be awesome
The future of bots is actually scary these things are unreal 🤯
Most humans take 4/5k hours to get gc, ai needs 250k hours…
@@mauroschreurs6609 ok but bots can do it in even shorter time in rl
@@mauroschreurs6609 250k sped up hours with multiple bots learning at the same time
@@mauroschreurs6609 they can play 24/7 tho, so the total amount of time isn’t that much more.
Hi JG :)
yo sunless, if you wanna bring even more attention to the bot, you could add a little disclaimer in the description that nexto's progress is being livestreamed 24/7 on twitch under the name rlgym, there have also been several showmatches against pros (aztral, extra, kaydop, fairy, etc.)
well i HAD plans today... thanks a lot... lol
where can i watch those videos ? it can't be that nobody has uploaded them to youtube ... that is suspicious
@@lucasprodan6092 They're on the rlgym twitch channel vods
This is the Rocket League equivalent of a chess engine. Imagine you could set it to play at a certain MMR level...that'd be a great training tool
That is a genuinely cool idea and would actually be insanely helpful in training
Right now we have Kamael around low plat, Necto around mid champ, and Nexto around mid GC, we're getting close to having that really
Cool idea, but realistically a very complicated problem. The question of what constitutes a specific mmr, that is. It could be certain inconsistencies or lack of mechanics or bad rotations and all of this is constantly changing as the mmr to skill ratio changes in real rocket league. Imo it would be inaccurate always by some degree, but it definitely would be cool to see some attempt at various skill levels of the bot, just maybe not correspondent to specific mmr's or ranks.
@@interestssnoopy103 similarly, no chess engine is perfect. They intentionally choose innacurate moves and blunder pieces but can never properly simulate the human thinking process, especially at low levels. Nothing beats human vs. human gameplay, but I think the concept is still cool.
@@nourthedoor I absolutely agree, the concept is awesome, afterall we're talking about artificial intelligence, idk if it gets much "cooler" lol
Makes me realize how good of a learning tool bots like these could be for every rank.
This bot’s play style kind of reminds me of flakes. Really calculated and punishing.
I'd like to see a pro beating it
Imagine that Bot could be implemented im rl then the training mode with bots would be useful
Great video sunless
Fairypeak actually had a showmatch with it on stream couple days ago, first 1v1 and then bo5 1v2
@@turt_L vod link plz.
@@turt_L link or cap
@@turt_L Link pls
You can find it on the RLGym twitch channel if you type !fairypeak in chat. We have also had matches against kaydop, chausette, mawkzy, and more!
I haven’t watched him for a while and then I come back and Jesus Christ these edits are insanely good
lol same for me
Literally same, first vid I watched in almost a year actually.
Yea I stopped watching all RL content. Everyone's upped their game it seems.
This is actually incredible. Imagine if the bot trained for 500,000 hours and unlocked a ranking that's higher than RLCS pros. It could genuinely become the future of how RLCS pros will train for Rocket League and show the future of the game. Imagine watching a 3v3 of these bots playing against each other - and each one had trained for 1 million hours.
I'm sure there's a plateau these bots hit of how much they could learn
This version is already starting to plateau, it would take an impractical amount of time to hit pro level. But they will keep improving it so who knows? The sky is the limit when it comes to ML bots, they don't know exactly what will happen until they try :)
@@shadowyzephyr all there is to optimize is learning factors now
@@shadowyzephyr You also have to consider they don't have the same playstyle and especially mechanics as an actual CHAMP/GC/SSL. They might be able to face and equal humans their rank. They will never have the same actual level. All they do is flick and power shots. They can't even aerial. I think this gen of bots is approching its peak indeed. I don't think pros will ever use bots to train or copy their games like OP said. At least not this gen.
Psyonix should seriously consider making a solo campaign.
Something similar to the classic exhibition tournaments but an updated version with updated AI like the one in this video.
Each AI becomes progressively more difficult to beat, it could be really good to practice, with removing general online toxicity and pressure to do well for mmr scoring.
Just a thought :)
Oh so since it's Rocket League and not an FPS, creating bots is allowed? 😆
Thankyou for another banger. Love the grind. Hope everyone has a great day!
I'm not having a great day.. I'm a hardstuck low ranked player who hardly gets to play roxcket league... my parents only lets me play 1hr per week
@@JoshuaGames4076 its ok bro, you'll get there. Try to get that extra time and keep on with the grind. Practice even in the times you don't want to because it will make you a stronger player. Have a great day bro, never talk down on yourself.
@@wokengamer4891 thanks G.. thats been makiing my mindset very negative for the past few days.. I've been stuck in the lower ranks for over 1 year now... Never got much hours at all. not even 150hrs
8:36 "No, nope, that just made him more powerful.." 🤣🤣
Sunless-“It’s flicks are so high who flicks like that”- Athena 👁👄👁
This may have been Sunless's Greatest achievement yet.
Beating a bot.
Gotta love AI learning to play video games, so fascinating
Shoutout to you/your editor on the intro of this video!
One of the better edited intros I've seen on your channel, really helped set the tone for the video :)
That one guy with 28.5 years of straight playing a game that’s been released for 8 years
these videos never fail to entertain me
Scary to think what it could do with even more hours
Plot twist: For his last attempt his friend renamed himself as Nexto, played like him and let him win so he would finally beat him
6:09 THAT RECOVERY THO
Great video! Two minor details : people beat this bot before, and even in 1v2. Also the bot is not learning during play, therefore he can't adapt during the game.
No one has beaten V2 in a 1v2 like not even pros
@@jblazeisme2329 Fairy peak took one game
@@jblazeisme2329 mawkzy has after a lot of games. The devs said so in a french interview with kaydop.
Being called a bot can actually be considered a compliment now
Almost like he said it in the video. Great contraception!
@@iwatch10hourvideos90 might have written the comment before i heard him say that 💀
@@mrbreadcrumb maybe it's the fact that he said it half way through the video maybe if you payed attention on watching the video than commenting a unimportant " joke " and using the exact same words he did 💀
1:33 I felt attacked but your explanation made me feel better 🤣 thanks Sunless 👍
By far the best subtle joke of this entire video is the fact that Sunless celebrates his victory over a song called "Participation Trophy"
There is a bot in chess called “alpha zero” and the way nexto learns really reminded me of that
yeah same. i think soon the bots in rl will be better than pros. same as many of the bots in chess
They have an Alpha-Go bot too. It can’t be beat.
@@JP-st9hn yh I've seen alpha go
Board games like chess and go are easier for machine learning algorithms because they have less options and states to choose from in a given moment
Editor: How much editing and effects do you want?
Sunless: Yes.
Definitely would love to see more videos with this bot! 2v2s and 3v3s against it with pros and people from all different ranks would be very interesting
I'd love to see more content creators and pros play against this bot
You should do the same video but with ssls or pros. How long will it take them to beat nexto?
1 try lmao
@@ninobtf1310 I’m pretty sure a bunch have lost first try including Kaydop and Chausette. Extra tried a 1 ‘v2 and lost but then won a 1v3
It can't really 1v1 them yet, but in 1v2 it's beating a lot of pros (Extra Mawkzy Fairy).
@@edp1963 why is not video on youtube about that ?
@@rollsreus2807 Fairy won a game against 2 of them, they need a little bit of time to adapt, but the best 1s player in the world (wich kaydop and chausette are not anymore) can beat them.
However, I have no doubt this bot will eventually beat the best 1s player in the next months , in 3s I'm not convinced yet.
What song is the outro?? Is sounds great I'd love to listen to it.
Great video as always! I would love to see an ssl vs this bot if that hasn't been done before.
A single play mode defeating bots is actually a great idea for the game
Imagine a team of bots competing in rlcs
And who knows they may even win
Hey once this thing hits SSL I'd love to see that
Any rule says you need to be human to participate?
I doubt it. Have you seen Galactik Football? Team Technodroid never won against the living beings.
This isn't chess, it's -Galactik Football,- I mean Rocket League.
It's impossible because humans have PING.
Bots don't.
It’d be really interesting to see how this bot does against a pro.
Nexto clapped Kaydop, Chausette45 and Kerian. If you need links just ask me
On Ravena’s stream Extra lost a 1v2 but then beat it 1v3.
@@rollsreus2807 Against an older, much worse version of Nexto.
Mawkzy struggled to beat it in 1v2s but destroyed it 12-4 without even trying in 1v1, and 3 of those goals Nexto scored were off of Mawkzy missing freestyle shots. Insane how far bots have come, but they aren't close to beating pros atm.
FairyPeak beated it
Having strong bots to practice against will be super useful
This is one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen. The learning through experience mechanics is so intriguing. I’d imagine that even on these games that sunless is playing now the bot would be learning ways to counteract and defend better
No, that's not how it works. By the time you as a human play it, there is no learning.
Difference between training and inference in ML.
Can we all just appreciate how good the editing, script writing and production are on this video?!!!
ROCK ON SUNLESS!!!!!
6:15
Sunless (after bumping the bot): Hahahahahahahaahahahahaha!
Nexto: So you have chosen death
It’s interesting Bec it’s not the fact the bot can do everything well, it’s the fact that it does everything well consistently so more then likely it’s chance of missing is so low that by the time you start to figure it out or you warm up , it’s already to late. Very interesting.
This takes me back to the good ol days of trying to win a 1v4 game against the hardest bots in the game. Feel so good when you finally win haha
Bro you're not singularly a TH-camr. You're a comedian. Your comedic timing is so on point. Love your videos as always. Really want to get trashed by this bot until I leave to be better now lol
Genuinely the best produced but still casual rocket league video I’ve seen, great job
Seems like the time has arrived where Rocket League bots are actually as good as chess bots
He had enough of "You're a bot" being an insult and made it a compliment SINGLE HANDEDLY
6:15 The switch up in emotions tho had my dying 😭🤣
“Can i bump him” *works* hahahaha nexto saves it him regrets his whole life
sunless screaming 'screw you' to an AI has made my day
the moment you realize that everytime you learn how to trick him, he has learned that you learned how to trick him....
"He" doesn't learn from playing against humans.
Good news Mr. Lesskhan. This video popped up on my recommendations tab! Just like you eventually beat the Rocket League bot, you were also able to eventually beat the youtube bots. Keep fighting the good fight.
I gotta say your music taste is BUMPIN god DAAMN
7:48 made me think, what if the bots learnt that quick chat spam increased their chances of winning against human players and just constantly spammed quick chat while they remain completely unfazed by it XD
Love the attention Nexto is getting, it's such a cool project by the community
Cant wait a couple weeks from now sunless getting some pros to 1v1 this bot
When you want to play 1s but want to avoid the toxicity: Nexto
Nexto really shows how crazy the mechanics of this game can be. He is so insanly steady with the ball
The music to this video is amazing, this whole video is great. =0
It’s all fun and games until bots start air dribling and flip resetting.
You laughing after bumping him just to realise he can recover is hilarious LMFAO 😂💀
100% Need to see Flakes vs Nexto. But don't tell Flakes it's a bot lol
4:43 "what if i just rush it-" "*never rush it*"
This is amazing and scary at the same time .... love it !
one of the best videos i've seen in a long time.... congrats!!
This turned from a challenge to a training pack questionably quick
This match quickly turn from "Best of three" to "Attempt #6"🤣🤣
It's super interesting because the bot is better than humans in things like control and reaction time, but also falls short in some areas, mainly bumping and probably extended techniques like flip resets, but that's something it might learn to deal with so I'm honestly terrified of how far this bot will go in the future
That absolutely perfect catch at 8:40 had me rolling hahaha. He's like I am a master of this game and you're like ... I'm fucked.
Came here looking for this timestamp in the comments - that moment was intimidating even after all the stuff shown before.
@@boxoffoxes223 hahaha yeah man that was the cleanest catch I've ever seen. He literally went into god mode there LOL
Watch sunless get absolutely bullied by this bot is the best RL content I’ve seen in awhile 😂
Very good video. I've been following the bot learn. It's gonna be nasty. Especially the v3.
this is insane man ... props to sledge for making this insanely good rl bot ... i played 5 matches with it so far and won 2 only ... its embarassing yet very impressive
Yo this video was super entertaining. Like sunless said. Facing bots your skill level would be awesome
After seeing some of the bot videos I also recently downloaded rlbot. Your video is my reaction spot-on, except I'm still working on beating Nexto's predecessor. These guys are no joke, and grinding ones with them for a bit every day send to be paying off.
I am trying to beat Necto now. Struggling.
A bot challenge ladder in rocket league sounds like an awesome idea. Have like 3 variations of bots at each rank, each variation is better at one or two things then the other. Also someone mentioned getting a title for beating nexto, so the same could be done for the challenge ladder. I feel like there is a lot you could do this.
Man my ribs hurt, iv not laughter like that for a while 😂
A little what in the armor! 8:04 I know what you were trying to say, but confused me there for a sec.
That bot knew exactly when you were challenging. Scary.
I might get this bot to practice against. Could be helpful, especially since I'm just a d3.
That guy in the background after the final attempt: EZ game noob
Hahaha your videos are ALWAYS so entertaining to watch! Keep up the great work, Sunless! 😄😄
This video was sick haha the fact that thing has evolved by playing blows my mind
They have a ‘story mode’ on the RLbot thing too which is unlocking the bots as they get harder and trying to beat them with less boost. It’s quite fun. I personally am still trying to beat Necto not been Nexto lol
ok i definitely gotta download that and train my kickoffs against it lol
About time u made a vid sunless 😂
i cant even start to explain how insanely cool this is.
This needs to be a game mode
The editing on this video is insane! I salute you sunless!
So cool that you're showcasing nexto! If you tune into the RLGym twitch channel, there are a bunch of showmatches happening where the two nextos play against one pro. So far, no pro has won a series against it. It's kinda scary. I'm pretty sure that next week, there's going to be a casted 4v2 showmatch against Chaussette and Kaydop - come say hi!
God damn that thing is insane. I actually started getting excited when you started beating it haha
the music in this is bumping. but dude, that story mode type thing would be so addictive with progressivly harder bots but not just harder like different play style bots, like aggressive, one iwht just massive boomers, freestyle bot, straight up dirbble control bot, so many possibility's lol