Lionel 8702 Southern Crescent Limited - An MPC era Classic - A Closer Look
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Lionel 8702 Southern Crescent Limited
An MPC era Classic from 1977-1980
What’s the first thing you do when you get a new engine?
I see if it works and then I take it apart! I always enjoy taking a new purchase apart to see what’s inside.
This is not a full service video, but really just a closer look and an investigation into a couple issues.
Hope you enjoy the video!
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I have no affiliation with Lionel, or anything else for that matter, and my repair methods are my own based on what has worked for me.
I am not a professional but a passionate hobbyist. Your results may vary. I am not responsible for any damage resulting from any repair method. I am here mostly to provide inspiration and insight.
You can do it, grab your tools and get to work!
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Another good video.
Thank you 👍
Good job 👍
Thanks!
Thank for sharing. COOL REALLY COOL
Thanks! Thank you for watching 👍
@@dagryffynhobby Your more than welcome
That is an eye grabbing green.
The color is really great, looks fantastic on the layout
Cool video I like to add some MPC stuff to my collection
Thanks. A lot of the MPC stuff can be had for a really good price compared to similar postwar models.
Wow I'm early
And I’m really late (with the reply)!
CRC Electronics Cleaner. Get the one that says safe on plastic. Ace Hardware should have it. It will clean the old grease off. I used it to clean the old grease/oil dirt off the bearings on a 90 year old Lionel 252 Electric. As for the wheel and gear problem, take it to a Lionel repair shop. That engine is a Lionel 2046 in green paint with some mods to the smoke unit and head light. They should be able to make the repairs. Plastic gears were used (I think they are Delrin Nylon) because they are considered self lubricating. Lionel probable used them because engines were coming with worn out metal gears because they weren't being lubricated.
Thanks, I’ll check out that cleaner. Interesting about the nylon gears. I think I’m just going to leave it be for now, see how it does.
Yes little is better 😉
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I knew a former Lionel Irvington guy. He had a good set of dental picks to decrust the gear teeth, nooks and, crannies and all.
Oh I like that, other than hating the dentist, sounds like those tools could really come in handy.
I noticed that the engines sound system is not working. Have you tried replacing the capacitors?
I have to check it out, it makes noise but is very quiet
WD-40 works fantastic on softening up grease and oil I put WD on a Q-tip and work it in, for gears u you can use an old tooth bush on gears. I have the 1982 6-8210 Hudson love Hudson’s. Luckily this unit I got was never used all gears were dry no oils what so ever. I ran it as is then proceeded the next day to oil and grease it up. And runs awesome smokes like a champ. Go it with original box instructions and warrantee papers. What I don’t like is the sound way to 80’s lol.
I use WD40, probably too much of it sometimes. I like the Qtip idea, I should do that.
The 8210, is that the Joshua Lionel Cohen Hudson? That’s a handsome engine, wouldn’t mind picking one of those up at some point.
Thanks for the tips!
Dave: Butyl cellusolve ( the main ingredient in fantastic spray or mineral spirits, (using swabs) should get the caked on grease off.
I’ll give that a try! Thanks 👍
@@dagryffynhobby Also petroleum ether (starter fluid) should also dissolve the grease as well. Be careful and do it in a ventilated area.
Yes a tooth brush will make some of a mess so take caution ⚠️ on cleaning. I’ll scrub a bit then wipe off scrub and wipe of and repeat till clean. But all in all up to you on your personal preference and methods.
I’ve used tooth brushes quite a bit, a great tool 👍
Not an upgrade. That motor is the same in a 2046, 2056 and 646 (all the same locos) from the postwar era. That wobbly gear was also wobbly on my 2056 maybe just a flaw
My 2046 has that wobbly gear too. ⚙️
I have found the wheels/axles in the MPC steamers to rarely be perfect
When Done With that Engine Run it long Time.
I love this engine and all my similar era engines. Classics and they run great
I love this Engine. This is my Birth Train. Context. when someone has been born in my family back to 1945 they got that years Lionel Train.
That is an awesome tradition!
Dave I’m interested in finding a Southern Crescent how do you determine what is a good price.
For any of these MPC sets, my goal is $250 or less. Hard to find at that price, but I got the blue comet, the crescent, and the Chicago Alton all for under $250 each.
Great video! Just out of curiosity, how far along are you on the layout? Have you considered super-elevating the track curves?
Track is laid. Hopefully detailing to start soon. Dont know how I would really super elevate the track using the tubular track, it’s so stiff. Something to keep in mind for the next layout.
funny i have no issue working on brand new engines, but have yet to tear a old lionel apart.
It’s not bad, a lot less wires to deal with!
@@dagryffynhobby gonna find out soon. I have a lot I need to clean to get ready for a post war layout video I need to make next year.
@@Jokers_Trains sweet! Can’t wait to see it 👍
@@dagryffynhobby same layout as the post war video on my channel. Just going to make another video before that layout gets torn down.
@@Jokers_Trains torn down?! Nooooooo
Runs great now!
It certainly runs quieter and better
Great looking engine. You seem to have gotten it running pretty good.
Thanks! It’s always nice when it runs better when I’m done “fixing” it. Doesn’t always happen that way.
Looks good, I’m glad you got it running better.
Thanks! Me too 👍
That’s a really nice set. With the grease, I always had great luck with lighter fluid & q tips. Followed up with contact cleaner. Is that the same as a postwar 2046 with the different smoke/headlight? That is truly a nice addition to your collection.
Thanks. It is the same boiler as the postwar 2046/646. They made some changes to the motor frame and how everything goes together.
I’m really enjoying running it.
What happened to the light?
Tried an led replacement and it just didn’t work out right. I’ll fix it eventually.
@@dagryffynhobby She is still a beauty. Have a good one.
@@tudrow6087 thanks!
A good way to clean those gears and bearings is to squirt some contact cleaner in there. It will help strip away grease and dirt without harming anything. Just be sure to re-lubricate once it is dry.
That’s a good idea, I really should have some of that on my workbench
I gave my 2046 a contact cleaner shower when I got it. 🚿
I have always loved the color scheme of that engine, very good addition to your collection
Thanks, it is quickly becoming one of my favorites
The manufacturing of this locomotive made for some very tight gear tolerances made by Lionel, thus using lots of lube. This was corrected when The Blue Comet was introduced. I updated the cars with LEDs. Enjoy the set Dave.
Thanks! I need to do LEDs too.
Great looking engine Dave. Learned a couple things watching your repair. Great ending. And still say fantastic scenery.
Thank you!
Dave perhaps using a toothbrush with some light oil might help get at the "gunk". I have also used a really small flathead screwdriver to gently scape the old grease and dirt out of the tight places. Boy the cleaning really made a difference. The old Southern Crescent Limited is really running well now. Dave, have you seen my last couple of videos? Just asking as I had not been seeing much from T4 and then learned that somehow I got unsubscribed. Just had to re-subscribe. No big deal, I just didn't know it had happened. From what I gather that kind of thing can happen from time to time. Enjoyed the video. Bill B.
I don’t think I really used the toothbrush much this time, I usually do use it with a little oil on it.
I’m surprised it’s running as well as it is. I think the issue I’m having with it slowing on the curves really has to do with the track gauge not being exact.
I saw the making a tunnel video, haven’t seen your most recent video yet though.
Little TLC GOES A LONG WAY !! Kudos you got her running and Hell of a lot quieter.
Thanks! Yeah sometimes I need to hold back the urge to just soak everything in wd40!
Nice loco and set. Enjoyed seeing the repair, thanks for sharing
Thank you 👍
Nice Dave that you can give this loco new life... new headlight, and lubed gears. Great looking passenger set the Crescent is.. Thanks for showing how and what to look for during repairs. Well Done.. 👍🚂
Thank you. I have to redo the headlight but that’s ok. I’ll probably want to take it apart again soon anyway!
Awesome locomotive! The colors are really accurate!
I love the color of it!
For the caked grease, put the engine in a cradle. Get your Dremel with an 80 grit flapper style sanding wheel. Start the engine and the Dremel. Sand gently until the gunk is gone. I had to do this on a couple badly maintained postwar rolling stock.
Interesting idea, I’ll have to give that a try. Seems like that would work well for rusty/ corroded wheels too.
That loose plastic gear looks like it might be a candidate for a metal replacement part if you can find one. You might be on the lookout for another blind driver with some more teeth in it. Otherwise, excellent find! The sound of steam was an interesting idea, but it never really worked all that well even new out out of the box...I know as I bought 2 of those locomotives new in the early 80s. Then it sounded like loud static, now with some age I guess they have the "not so mighty" sound of static...er I mean steam! lol But, I like the MPC steamers. May be getting some more of it in the future...we shall see. Thanks, Dave!
I like that “the not so might sound of static” 😂
I’ll run it for a while and see how the gears hold up, but I’ll keep an eye out for parts.
@@dagryffynhobby Lionel has done some really bonehead things at times... nylon plastic gears was definitely one of them! I will say that their idea for a chuffer was clever...it didn't work worth crap...but, it was clever! lol T4