Man i love how gifted hater is in the spotlight right now without being close to pro, the biggest names in skateboarding follow this dude on his personality. The fact he gives ben degros his well deserved exposure during his prime on youtube makes me like GH even more tbh. Ben might be one of the most under rated youtube skaters. I like older skaters they can appreciate the art more in depth,
IMO he's absolutely "close" to pro. At least in terms of skill level. Go watch his footy. I also think Ben Degros could have been considered "close" to pro at one point. Agree otherwise.
Dude, I love this kind of shit. As another comment mentioned that is niche skateboarding, I think that's true, but that it shouldn't be niche. People should give a shit and be knowledgeable about the thing they are spending thousands of dollars on over their lifetime. It's fine if you truly don't give a shit and are happy with skating anything. The thing that pisses me off is when people start to say things like it doesn't matter or that you're being too nerdy when you get in-depth about gear specifics. Whether I'm skating every day or haven't skated in months, skateboarding and especially this topic within skateboarding will always be interesting. So, thank you for making with video with Ben, it is truly entertaining.
Please keep the @bendegros collabs coming! Please do an “Old Head Tier List” I’d love to see who Degros sends to the dungeon… we all know who GH will send there!
When I was getting into working on my house I became a big fan of Ben on his carpentry channel and was subscribed for a long time before finding out he was a skateboarder and had a channel surrounding that. Now he's honestly gotta be my favorite youtuber lol
That list of companies that use BBS is insane. I had no idea. I also forget how extensive skateboarding is and that every board company has to come from somewhere
I recently bought a Girl deck made in China, it popped better than the DGK deck made in Mexico I ride now. I'm probably going to try more Girl/Chocolate boards. I also like that Crailtap numbers their shapes, once you found a deck you like, it's easy to get the same deck again. Girl or Chocolate, they use the same shapes and numbers.
Dude, BBS is killing it... If u wanted to start your own board co. and wanted to do business with B.B.S. it's gotta be 2-3 year wait just to get the first batch.....
Damn, never really thought about it like that. It wouldn't even make sense for a new company who needs to make some money quickly to pay their team and other expenses.
It's not. Quite the opposite really, both BBS and PS are taking on new accounts for the first time since the pandemic. There's a glut of wood out there right now because when the pandemic hit everyone that's ever skated bought a board to pass time and the market went insane for a minute, you couldn't find an 8.25-8.5 in half the shops and even some webstores were looking sparse as fuck. That made everyone & their mother place an order for boards which took literally years to fulfill (this was also the covid labor shortage era) and now you have companies that should have never existed pushing their 1000 boards anywhere they can and it completely shook up the entire wood game because now shops had far more supply than demand and suddenly no one is placing orders. Now you can even buy a couple BBS and PS blanks direct from the manufacturer (or through a closely associated subsidiary) which would have been absolutely unheard of a few years ago... you know they're hurting when they have to open their own retail.
Control is definitely a common wood shop for shop boards here in Canada. The local shop I go to gets theirs made there too, but at studio quality. I must say, they are great boards. The shop gets them made in 3 different concaves, so they have variety.
I also had a bad experience with Clutch on a business level. I ended up getting board through control, they are great to work with, and the boards are solid, like really strong. They did sound weird even brand new but most people liked them and they lasted a long time
YESSSS! This is some of the best online content in skating. Two of my favs. Please do these as often as possible! Get into bushings next! Wheels? Bearings? Talk skating in any way! You both rip too. We need duo tutorial videos from you guys.
It sounded like he was gonna get into a few Canadian wood shops, but only named the one. I’ve been skating for 40 years now and Woodchuck Laminates board have been among the best I have ever ridden. I was actually a Premium Skateboards rep for a quick minute in the early 2000’s. Their graphics haven’t changed much (if any) in 20 years…but you can get a blank for 29.99 shipped with no tax (in the US).
Thoroughly enjoyed this one! More and more consumers care about where their wood comes from. Growing up I didn’t know better, it wasn’t until I met Ben that I got board madness 😂. But now I know what I like.
The shoutout to Penn’s Wood was dope. I used to love scumco when they were using Penn’s Wood but I noticed they got worse, and it was interesting to hear that they switched the Control wood shop, cuz I guess that was what ruined them for me. They used to be my favorite brand and the only decks I would ride.
Didn't pennswood have a fire or some other disaster that ruined the woodshop around the beginning of Covid? Around the same time ScumCo switched I think
Not to get political, but that evil, immoral anti-American Chinese wood sure has gotten a lot better since I started skating 20+ years ago. I'm from Europe, and I remember skating a Chocolate deck that my friend had bought on vacation in the US, and it had the best pop I'd ever experienced. Only when I bought the exact same model (or so I thought), it was kinda meh - I actually suspected American skate brands sent their sub-par product to Europe, where people would be happy to pay twice what Americans do for a deck because Europe didn't have an industry anyway. Turns out I wasn't wrong.
The ironic thing is Powell / Bones is one of the only companies that I'd label as a skateboard company period (as in developing, manufacturing and selling skateboard hard goods). Everyone else is just a marketing company that sells merch.
WE MAKE IT LOOK EZ! I'm personally a huge fan of the Powell flight deck boards atm, I don't want my board to break and i will pay extra for that piece of mind.
@@robotidiot5290 idk I just think it's really cool that they are one of the oldest board companies but still innovating and changing. They have a sick lineup of pros also.
@@grassgrow030 that's the only reason I've had to buy a new one was because of razor tail. They don't loose there pop. But the razor tail is sharper cause the carbon fiber layers
NO CAP Alien / DNA distribution had by far, by a MASSIVE margin the best wood. It wasn't even close in the 2000's. Gotta get the ones with orange tops though.
@@soydave1988 They were like unbreakable.. I think they used some type of resin that they don't use anymore.. it almost made the boards like a really hard plastic. It was insane, they never lost their pop or dried out.
Ps Stix has this cool bend in the middle of the board were if you were to lay the deck down and try to spin it, it'll actually spin. All the other wood shops are pretty flat and won't spin of you tried it. I dunno, I only skate the 8.25 PS Stix deck from any company.
4 out of my last 5 boards have been Darkroom BBS Made in Mexico. Great boards, rock solid and quite steep all the way around. They remind me of the Hook-Ups and Birdhouse boards I used to ride. I bought a Powell Ripper 8.25 that I thought was made in their factory in my hometown, but it was straight outta China. It was acceptable but it just feels flat, soft and mellow all the way around. I bought a Made in USA big Powell Flight deck for my buddy. It literally got ran over by a car on Day 1 but it bounced right back to shape and we've been ripping it ever since. 10/10.
Hey guys! Great video! I know that this came out a year ago but... Since I started to work with HLC recently I wanted to clarify something. Yes they are made in Spain. With the best sustainable materials in a amazing factory! They all do in house, nothing from China or cheap stuff. They don't ship by boat!! This is a very important detailed! They express air ship all order. They also recently open a new manufacture in Texas for all Americas. Brands like Sk8Mafia, Planb, Rogers are all based and operated in the US but built in Spain. Know let's go skate and have fun! Cheers!
I started skating again and learning the ins and out because of Ben Degros, I got good as hell because Lifted Mater commented on one of my popular TikTok videos, the world rotates as it should. G shock is bussin sir.
Thank you Joa & Ben. Talking (wood) shop with Dad ❤️ Only can compare ps stix & HLC. PS Stix (wknd, primitive) & thunder trucks good combo. HLC (Sour ) & indy's good combo. The other way atound I'm not even going to try. Both set up same wheel size 53 mm and duro and bearings,. Griptape : jessup & sour, MOB & wknd. Ps stix has more flex, only I had the wknd deck replaced once. The shop was kind enough to give me a new deck. What happened the back truck holes where drilled crooked, happened twice, same wknd model pro also. I'm not sure if I m going back again to the shop yo say: hi, same problem again. Maybe. HLC more stiff and thicker & heavier. No screaking yet, 2 days in. Next deck I'm going to set up is a limosine max palmer (BBS) , jessup, spitfire classics 52mm 99Duro. Swiss Bones bearings, sj hardware 7/8 allen bolts & trucks thunder or indy's. Or let the madness begin and I might buy ace Af1 or Lurpiv-Trucks?? maybe... Do a video also one about wheels & bearings with Dad please.
Personally The wood shop out of Boston Pop master is my favorite they make the orchard shop boards, dwindle R7 are also up there for me because of how they feel stiff forever, and are pressed the same each time. BBS is great too. PS stix Are so so too many lame ducks from my experience.
Dwindle R7s for the win. I’ve had one PS Stix deck, a Toy Machine and while I love the Toy Machine aesthetic that deck was the soggiest I’ve ever ridden.
What's important to add is that a lot of companies which are using different woodshops for US market all make boards at HLC (in Spain) for European market. So for example an american Plan B board is different than an european one. They were wrong in the video, Plan B is still amking US board at Clutch (switched from Ps Stix)
We get screwed royally here in the UK/Europe. So many big skate brands that use quality PS Stix & BBS factories for the USA, but we get lower quality HLC or China made decks with the image printed on it instead. Plan B, Habitat, Flip, SOVRN, Element, Toy Machine, Primitive - all HLC/China. Awesome brands that used to have those quality PS Stix & BBS decks available thruout the world. I bought them because of the quality, not the brand. Not anymore I'm afraid
I can honest say Penns Wood is a good manufacturer. I used to ride for a board company based out of Lexington, KY in the early 2000's called Deez Skateboards and that was their supplier. The boards had great pop and lasted a decent amount of time compared to the top brands at the time.
@@thethe-nt1tb it's been a bit since I've last seen Joe but I've been in touch over the past few years via social media. Yeah, love those guys like brothers! DPS for life
Reminds me of the snowboarding industry, very similar. A handful of ski factories make most of the boards. In surfing, there is companies and personal shapers that make boards, but the actual FOAM companies, there’s only a handful also.
im really surprised habitat AND alien workshop arent coming out the same shop, because i thought they were both owned by the same parent company (the one that got bought out, then destroyed the companies it took on, and which has miraciously arrived again because i seen AWS and habitat are back in stores?)
As a Euro, I've mainly skated Sour boards from HLC/Jart. The shapes are good but the actual wood? It's acceptable, it's not the best, not the worst. I'm not super picky on the woodshops but I usually pick BBS over anything else if it's available in a decent shape, mainly because the inventory is a bit limited at my local.
As an English skater I didn’t like HLC. Like I wanted to love it because I like the shapes but the wood felt dull. Felt like I really had to try hard to get it pop. Tried with indys and thunders
Same here. A friend of mine had boards made by HLC & they were heavy & had a dull pop. Then I found out the hard way that Habitat, Plan B & SOVRN were all making their boards at HLC for the Euro market instead of PS Stix as they had in the past. That's a big no from me for them in the future
@@EDDIEM0NS00N don't think I've seen a PS Stix board since 2020 honestly, I'm sure they're around but not at my local at least so I'd have to gamble on an order
I had 3 boards from them this past year, 2 Sk8mafias and 1 Flip all of them lasted a good month with intensive skating and I only had to buy new ones because the tips were starting to wear. I actually stil have one as a spare if my current setup decides to give in. The pop does feel a little bit dull now that I think about it but I attributed that to the shape I was riding. I did not experience the creaking Ben was talking about, in fact I found their wood quality to be pretty good. None have snapped under me, however, sometimes they do chip. The latter doesn't bother me as much as it used to so I just sand it off a bit and keep riding.
I mostly ride dwindle boards and I love the stiffness and the feel of it and they're cheap in my country. But they have a weird smell, maybe it's the resin.
Really interesting discussion, I'll definitely be looking more closely at my board choice in future. I've got a couple of PS Stix at the moment and am really happy with them, both have a fairly steep concave which I like.
I hated Control in the 2000s. I'd break 'em very easily. Now i love them and that's all i skate (because I run a small company). Mine aren't flat at all as I choose the high concave option, but the nose and tail might be flat, just not the rest of the board. They also hold up well. Everyone I know riding them skates em for at least a couple months each.
Maybe I'm just too used to skating crap wood, but I actually like Dwindle boards. I find them to have a nice stiffness that doesn't sog much and I expect all boards to break regardless of point of origin.
@@thepancakemann in my experience, they are super stiff to begin with but then sog out really quickly. But appreciate people have different experiences. I also find that they pressure crack quickly.
i was largely ANTI dwindle dipped boards. Tough their "TECH" isnpired builds did have my attention though i never got an uberlite/impact board etc. Im mostly a BBS rider though at times ill go for a PSstix shape bc i used to ride active shop decks...and they ran element press/ps stix...and that rounded nose/tail concave shape...that element really pushes....ill ride it from time to time. I have grown used to it over the years. But im partial to BBS flat concave tapred nose/tails or longer nose tail than standard 7.5"/6.5" 8.38. Krooked and bakers.
@@anhiirr BBS are consistently good. I’m a big fan of Heroin boards and they get all their boards pressed at BBS. They are my go to now as I’m into big their egg shapes. I love Pennswood pressed boards most of all but they are hard to get hold of in the UK and don’t tend to do anything in my size these days.
I got a twin tail chocolate board and I’ve been skating it for 5 months. It just won’t break. It’s still snappy and crisp. Some times you get a dud of a board and it gets soggy within a week or two but you know that was just bad luck. I think I got the opposite of that with the deck I got. No matter how many girl/chocolate boards I get going forward, they will never be as good as the one I have now.
One thing about how a board can last longest is how long it’s been off the press and how they’re stored at the warehouses and shops. My first antihero board snapped in less than a month. Few months later I grabbed a Grant T board and it last a few months and was crispy to the end of its days.
i kinda like stiff boards. i'm 6'3 240. i think some of their stiffness (DSM) boards is due to epoxy glues. i have 2 almost boards (one double impact, one resin-7) currently skating the double impact. when you tap the boards they kinda ring like ceramic a bit, compared to my anti-hero that sounds kinda dull. i know it depends on how and what you skate, but they do seem a bit more prone to razor tail. like the wood is less dense or 'tough', but they last especially considering my size.
Anyone else try the baker 8.475 shape? I'm loving it. On my 3rd now. Feels wide and the wheelbase is a little shorter than the 8.5 so it feels a bit more mobile. Tres on it feel really good. It just spins and flips a bit better than the 8.5 while not losing control like you would with an 8.25 which I feel is slightly too small.
I've had many Clutch boards throughout 2021 and every single one developed the most insane pressure cracks I've ever seen. The worst one was straight up delaminating after 2 days.
If your deck was pressed in a dry climate, then shrink wrapped, then shipped to a super humid climate.....expect some warping to occur. For example, a deck that was acclimated/pressed in a wood shop with 35% humidity and then unwrapped at the destination that has 85% humidity....uh oh!
been skating for 15 years and am still willfully ignorant after this vid. if the graphic is tight ill buy it. if i cant land the trick i probably didnt do it right. looking so far into this shit is just more to trip over imo
Yep everyone’s “board feel” is different.👍 My first few years all I cared about was if it had 8 bolt-holes and that was it. Haha. Nowadays I look at a board with a magnifying glass before i buy it and never ever bought a board online cuz can’t examine it. 😂
I ride Indys and Thunders, it depends on the deck I'm riding currently. but I agree with Ben when he says he's technically a better skater on thunders since overall that's been my experience too
Literally searched comments looking specifically for someone else that knew of chapman! Even tho zoo is dead now they are still made by chapman and i believe traffic is still made by them. I fr think chapman is some of the best wood out there.
@@collinboerem5924 i really liked them. kind of aggressive concave, which keeps them stiff. i'm a big guy 6'3 240 and can't stand overly flexible boards. like when you can put your feet on the bolts and make the board twist. also very big 'shovel' nose and much smaller tail in comparison. i had a robbie gangemi 8.12, i got 2 of them bc i liked it so much
Prime is still around? wow I used to ride prime boards through the 90s til i switched to libtech Really thinking of going to powell now the flight decks specifically. Idk though i gotta try out some more before i decide. What ive always done is stocked up on a deck i really like and ride that specific deck for years. The PS shape though looks really nice im just not sure about going back to all wood decks though now that im older and wont/cant be doing much other than flatground it might be more economical to just find a good wooden shape.
"Skateboard madness" I think is the reason why in the 90s and early 2000s I only rode Powell boards. I knew just by looking at the shape number that the board would skate exactly what I expect. So many other brands back then could be totally different 3 months later and I would feel like I gained or lost certain tricks while skating that board as a result. That never happened with the Powell boards. I think the modern day equivalent of this is Girl, Powell (of course) and (though not to the same degree) Almost/Enjoi boards. I can look at their shape description and know it will be just like how the other ones with that shape were. I like not thinking about how to do certain tricks because the board shape was different than the previous board I was riding which is why I think consistency in shape and wood pressing is the most important aspect of a high end board. That being said, it is great when you find the right BBS or PS Stix board.
dude in the first review I thought ben was just a boomer but he really does do justice to the brands and is detailed. I very much enjoy listening to him talk bc hes critical but yet fair (aka good reviewer) and not as bias as me, GH and most people into sicker things are. Shedding light on real things in skateboarding that has just been ignored is very tight as well. Great video.
I got a brujaria deck out of a tree someone from them left and posted on a Oz skategroup it's where abouts.absolutey loved it blank with tree logo.messaged the company to thank them and compliment it:) stoked to see what shop it came out of
hell when i was a kiddo/teen on teh come up i was to busy thinking of the next brand of truck or if i was gonna size up on my yearly christmass complete. Never realizing how bad half the shit i rode/bought put together really was. But it also was a huge heap in narrowing down what i really liked and how to develop style or how you really like to skate/speed etc. I only really explain it when someone asks why my nollie halfcabs are so big or etc....and i have to explain a flat/nose profile with an extended "RUN" post end bolts as a massive "PLATFORM" for pop on half cabs. Or blasting nollie half cabs better than fakie. Just like no its not skill...more or less adapted "gear"
Skater from PA, never ridden Pennswood boards I don’t think but I believe Traffic skateboards uses their wood and we got a good amount of Traffic boards in our shop
Love ps stix, I started using the glue 8.5X33 with 14.5 wb late last year, I’ve bought 4 board with the same graphic since just because the boards feel so good.
Powell 7 ply sticks and mini logos are china made. Old school reissues used to b made here but recently got moved to mex. Only thing US made is flight decks now aside from some special orders the factory gets
You should definitely look into Evisen, it’s easily one of my all time favorite companies, every board always feels so good and the graphics are an easy s tier, they’re team and film making is next level creative.
@@douglaswares5614 they are, I’m just giving my experience as a consistent consumer of DSM but specifically Evisen because Joa hadn’t heard of them and they’re an insanely cool company.
I'm from Spain and I've been skating Jart(HLC) boards for ever. And I didn't notice how bad they were untill trying other boards. Now they feel heavy and thick af. It's true that they last a lot but the pop goes out so quickly.
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The best wood is the one I get when GH and Ben do a video together
Lol
Same
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This is the greatest comment of the 21st century
I could listen to these guys talk about bolts for an hour. Keep this crossover going! Wheels would be an interesting topic.
Wheel vid collab would rip
deck shapes would be nice (concave, shape width.......)
I like powell. Usa made is cool 😎
@@galvanizedgnome No. Give your money to the communist countries.
🙅♂ avoid cross-threading if you can! 😆
Man i love how gifted hater is in the spotlight right now without being close to pro, the biggest names in skateboarding follow this dude on his personality. The fact he gives ben degros his well deserved exposure during his prime on youtube makes me like GH even more tbh. Ben might be one of the most under rated youtube skaters. I like older skaters they can appreciate the art more in depth,
IMO he's absolutely "close" to pro. At least in terms of skill level. Go watch his footy. I also think Ben Degros could have been considered "close" to pro at one point. Agree otherwise.
@@thepancakemann
He’s definitely really good. Dude commenting prob never watched him skate.
he rips man im just talking about industry standards
@@thepancakemann stop meat riding hes fye on a board but no where near pro😂 would be like som skatw goat shit if he did
Jake Phelps was also in the spotlight yet not pro. I don't think one's ability to hardflip a gap or something has anything to do with contribution.
Dude, I love this kind of shit. As another comment mentioned that is niche skateboarding, I think that's true, but that it shouldn't be niche. People should give a shit and be knowledgeable about the thing they are spending thousands of dollars on over their lifetime. It's fine if you truly don't give a shit and are happy with skating anything. The thing that pisses me off is when people start to say things like it doesn't matter or that you're being too nerdy when you get in-depth about gear specifics.
Whether I'm skating every day or haven't skated in months, skateboarding and especially this topic within skateboarding will always be interesting. So, thank you for making with video with Ben, it is truly entertaining.
Yeah really, enough with keeping everything secret like Area51 ! 😉
Literally just another aspect to be a skate nerd about. I fuckin love it 😂😂
Ben: 🗣
GH: 👁👄👁
Please keep the @bendegros collabs coming! Please do an “Old Head Tier List” I’d love to see who Degros sends to the dungeon… we all know who GH will send there!
Might be a year late but this was one of the more enjoyable watches that answered questions Id never thought to ask, legends. Gonna miss Ben for sure.
When I was getting into working on my house I became a big fan of Ben on his carpentry channel and was subscribed for a long time before finding out he was a skateboarder and had a channel surrounding that. Now he's honestly gotta be my favorite youtuber lol
That list of companies that use BBS is insane. I had no idea. I also forget how extensive skateboarding is and that every board company has to come from somewhere
The videos with Ben are the best on this channel, something about intervention shots playing over bens voice is so hilarious
I recently bought a Girl deck made in China, it popped better than the DGK deck made in Mexico I ride now. I'm probably going to try more Girl/Chocolate boards. I also like that Crailtap numbers their shapes, once you found a deck you like, it's easy to get the same deck again. Girl or Chocolate, they use the same shapes and numbers.
SAME. Wilson (lol) New Power mellow pop Girl deck... shit is absolutely clean I love it.
Dude, BBS is killing it... If u wanted to start your own board co. and wanted to do business with B.B.S. it's gotta be 2-3 year wait just to get the first batch.....
same for HLC in europe
Damn, never really thought about it like that. It wouldn't even make sense for a new company who needs to make some money quickly to pay their team and other expenses.
It's not. Quite the opposite really, both BBS and PS are taking on new accounts for the first time since the pandemic. There's a glut of wood out there right now because when the pandemic hit everyone that's ever skated bought a board to pass time and the market went insane for a minute, you couldn't find an 8.25-8.5 in half the shops and even some webstores were looking sparse as fuck. That made everyone & their mother place an order for boards which took literally years to fulfill (this was also the covid labor shortage era) and now you have companies that should have never existed pushing their 1000 boards anywhere they can and it completely shook up the entire wood game because now shops had far more supply than demand and suddenly no one is placing orders. Now you can even buy a couple BBS and PS blanks direct from the manufacturer (or through a closely associated subsidiary) which would have been absolutely unheard of a few years ago... you know they're hurting when they have to open their own retail.
Control is definitely a common wood shop for shop boards here in Canada. The local shop I go to gets theirs made there too, but at studio quality. I must say, they are great boards. The shop gets them made in 3 different concaves, so they have variety.
I also had a bad experience with Clutch on a business level. I ended up getting board through control, they are great to work with, and the boards are solid, like really strong. They did sound weird even brand new but most people liked them and they lasted a long time
Did control used to make girl because if so I know that exact board 😂
the 8.375” gx1000 boards made by PS Stix in Mexico are the best. super flat. favorite shape of all time
Missing a 10min discussion on flight and vx manufacturing
YESSSS! This is some of the best online content in skating. Two of my favs. Please do these as often as possible! Get into bushings next! Wheels? Bearings? Talk skating in any way! You both rip too. We need duo tutorial videos from you guys.
It sounded like he was gonna get into a few Canadian wood shops, but only named the one. I’ve been skating for 40 years now and Woodchuck Laminates board have been among the best I have ever ridden. I was actually a Premium Skateboards rep for a quick minute in the early 2000’s. Their graphics haven’t changed much (if any) in 20 years…but you can get a blank for 29.99 shipped with no tax (in the US).
This is pure gold. I wanna see a skate vlog featuring Ben down the line
Thoroughly enjoyed this one! More and more consumers care about where their wood comes from. Growing up I didn’t know better, it wasn’t until I met Ben that I got board madness 😂. But now I know what I like.
Dwindle wood is my fav to ride but love checking out new molds and wood shops as well. thanks for the update !
The shoutout to Penn’s Wood was dope. I used to love scumco when they were using Penn’s Wood but I noticed they got worse, and it was interesting to hear that they switched the Control wood shop, cuz I guess that was what ruined them for me. They used to be my favorite brand and the only decks I would ride.
Didn't pennswood have a fire or some other disaster that ruined the woodshop around the beginning of Covid? Around the same time ScumCo switched I think
Big pennswood fan. Great boards.
Not to get political, but that evil, immoral anti-American Chinese wood sure has gotten a lot better since I started skating 20+ years ago. I'm from Europe, and I remember skating a Chocolate deck that my friend had bought on vacation in the US, and it had the best pop I'd ever experienced. Only when I bought the exact same model (or so I thought), it was kinda meh - I actually suspected American skate brands sent their sub-par product to Europe, where people would be happy to pay twice what Americans do for a deck because Europe didn't have an industry anyway. Turns out I wasn't wrong.
The ironic thing is Powell / Bones is one of the only companies that I'd label as a skateboard company period (as in developing, manufacturing and selling skateboard hard goods). Everyone else is just a marketing company that sells merch.
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Yup
George Powell is awesome.
Yes and true to themselves through highs and lows
Respect for them and that comment
Damn. Never thought about it that way. That’s facts!!
Man i love this collab, gifted hater criticism with the knowledge of master Ben Degros
WE MAKE IT LOOK EZ! I'm personally a huge fan of the Powell flight deck boards atm, I don't want my board to break and i will pay extra for that piece of mind.
I wouldn't pay extra for a piece of yours. Peace. ✌️
How did you get here? Who are you?
@@robotidiot5290 idk I just think it's really cool that they are one of the oldest board companies but still innovating and changing. They have a sick lineup of pros also.
how do they hold up to razor tail?
@@grassgrow030 that's the only reason I've had to buy a new one was because of razor tail. They don't loose there pop. But the razor tail is sharper cause the carbon fiber layers
NO CAP Alien / DNA distribution had by far, by a MASSIVE margin the best wood. It wasn't even close in the 2000's. Gotta get the ones with orange tops though.
that's always what I had heard too, Alien boards supposedly were the best boards at the time
@@soydave1988 they definitely were the best boards of that era. Beautiful shapes, concave and wood.
Yup rode , alien , habitat , seek for many many years ,
@@soydave1988 They were like unbreakable.. I think they used some type of resin that they don't use anymore.. it almost made the boards like a really hard plastic. It was insane, they never lost their pop or dried out.
Ps Stix has this cool bend in the middle of the board were if you were to lay the deck down and try to spin it, it'll actually spin. All the other wood shops are pretty flat and won't spin of you tried it. I dunno, I only skate the 8.25 PS Stix deck from any company.
4 out of my last 5 boards have been Darkroom BBS Made in Mexico. Great boards, rock solid and quite steep all the way around. They remind me of the Hook-Ups and Birdhouse boards I used to ride. I bought a Powell Ripper 8.25 that I thought was made in their factory in my hometown, but it was straight outta China. It was acceptable but it just feels flat, soft and mellow all the way around. I bought a Made in USA big Powell Flight deck for my buddy. It literally got ran over by a car on Day 1 but it bounced right back to shape and we've been ripping it ever since. 10/10.
These conversations could be their own whole channel and it would be one of my favorites.
Hey guys! Great video! I know that this came out a year ago but... Since I started to work with HLC recently I wanted to clarify something. Yes they are made in Spain. With the best sustainable materials in a amazing factory! They all do in house, nothing from China or cheap stuff. They don't ship by boat!! This is a very important detailed! They express air ship all order. They also recently open a new manufacture in Texas for all Americas. Brands like Sk8Mafia, Planb, Rogers are all based and operated in the US but built in Spain.
Know let's go skate and have fun! Cheers!
I work in a skateshop and gotta say that big percentage of our warped boards are from PS-Stix. But that aside, they are really good boards!
Most of my boards of from PS Stix: Quasi, GX1000, etc. love the shape
Do a couple board slides they’ll straighten back up.
Are you in Australia?
Nope, EU
Pennswood are seriously good. Super strong and durable. They do tend to have a deep concave but literally the best wood I’ve skated
I need a penswood board
@@theowainwright7406 I’m in the UK and they are hard to find over here. But I recommend trying them if you can get your hands on them
pennswood is my favorite and (to me) the best. they have never flexed out or went soggy on me and just won’t break naturally
@@TheCoreyDeal also my experience dude. The ones I’ve ridden felt bomb proof!
@@benj6107 on the website you can get a blank board for 35$
I started skating again and learning the ins and out because of Ben Degros, I got good as hell because Lifted Mater commented on one of my popular TikTok videos, the world rotates as it should. G shock is bussin sir.
me too
Thank you Joa & Ben.
Talking (wood) shop with Dad ❤️
Only can compare ps stix & HLC.
PS Stix (wknd, primitive) & thunder trucks good combo. HLC (Sour ) & indy's good combo. The other way atound I'm not even going to try. Both set up same wheel size 53 mm and duro and bearings,. Griptape : jessup & sour, MOB & wknd. Ps stix has more flex, only I had the wknd deck replaced once. The shop was kind enough to give me a new deck. What happened the back truck holes where drilled crooked, happened twice, same wknd model pro also. I'm not sure if I m going back again to the shop yo say: hi, same problem again. Maybe. HLC more stiff and thicker & heavier. No screaking yet, 2 days in. Next deck I'm going to set up is a limosine max palmer (BBS) , jessup, spitfire classics 52mm 99Duro. Swiss Bones bearings, sj hardware 7/8 allen bolts & trucks thunder or indy's. Or let the madness begin and I might buy ace Af1 or Lurpiv-Trucks?? maybe...
Do a video also one about wheels & bearings with Dad please.
Best hour of content I’ve watched on TH-cam in a long while. I hope you and Ben do something similar again soon.
Personally The wood shop out of Boston Pop master is my favorite they make the orchard shop boards, dwindle R7 are also up there for me because of how they feel stiff forever, and are pressed the same each time. BBS is great too. PS stix Are so so too many lame ducks from my experience.
popmaster :^)
i had a dwindle r7 that i skated for 2 months and it still felt stiff and still had pop after 2 months. i really enjoyed it
@@dylancontreras5545 yeah the R7’s are criminally underrated , you can usually find them for at or under $40 too
Dwindle R7s for the win. I’ve had one PS Stix deck, a Toy Machine and while I love the Toy Machine aesthetic that deck was the soggiest I’ve ever ridden.
Dwindle boards feel thick & the pop felt dull for me.
What's important to add is that a lot of companies which are using different woodshops for US market all make boards at HLC (in Spain) for European market. So for example an american Plan B board is different than an european one. They were wrong in the video, Plan B is still amking US board at Clutch (switched from Ps Stix)
We get screwed royally here in the UK/Europe. So many big skate brands that use quality PS Stix & BBS factories for the USA, but we get lower quality HLC or China made decks with the image printed on it instead. Plan B, Habitat, Flip, SOVRN, Element, Toy Machine, Primitive - all HLC/China. Awesome brands that used to have those quality PS Stix & BBS decks available thruout the world. I bought them because of the quality, not the brand. Not anymore I'm afraid
Been watching this channel for a couple weeks. Really glad to run into someone who can actually read, at least somewhat decently. Huge bonus.
zero boards with a dot indented on top veneer are from bareback/generator and the ones from dwindle will be packaged with dwindle packaging.
You guys missed Full Circle Distribution :p
I can honest say Penns Wood is a good manufacturer. I used to ride for a board company based out of Lexington, KY in the early 2000's called Deez Skateboards and that was their supplier. The boards had great pop and lasted a decent amount of time compared to the top brands at the time.
Damn, you rode for Deez? Man, I wonder what Joe is up to now?
@@thethe-nt1tb it's been a bit since I've last seen Joe but I've been in touch over the past few years via social media. Yeah, love those guys like brothers! DPS for life
I cant find anything on this brand. Did you guys ever have any videos put out?
Reminds me of the snowboarding industry, very similar. A handful of ski factories make most of the boards. In surfing, there is companies and personal shapers that make boards, but the actual FOAM companies, there’s only a handful also.
Absolutely loved this!! Yall are a whole duo! Imma share all this info and sreenshots to the club!! Great job boys
U guys didn't talk about Tony Hawks wood boards from Walmart, my Favorite. Where does he get his wood from?
im really surprised habitat AND alien workshop arent coming out the same shop, because i thought they were both owned by the same parent company (the one that got bought out, then destroyed the companies it took on, and which has miraciously arrived again because i seen AWS and habitat are back in stores?)
Almost Impact 8.0 is my favorite board of all time. MONSTER pop. Literally perfect.
we get our boards from clutch and ps
holy shit braille army is becoming self aware
ommmggggg brailleee thankk youuu
@@brennankohn8588 🤣 This comment should be pinned.
skated one of those new scumco boards and loved it, shape was great and it stayed fresh for a month
ben is a legend
As a Euro, I've mainly skated Sour boards from HLC/Jart. The shapes are good but the actual wood? It's acceptable, it's not the best, not the worst. I'm not super picky on the woodshops but I usually pick BBS over anything else if it's available in a decent shape, mainly because the inventory is a bit limited at my local.
As an English skater I didn’t like HLC. Like I wanted to love it because I like the shapes but the wood felt dull. Felt like I really had to try hard to get it pop. Tried with indys and thunders
Im from scandinavia, have tried all the european board brands. SK8Mafia is actually the best shape i have tried.
Same here. A friend of mine had boards made by HLC & they were heavy & had a dull pop. Then I found out the hard way that Habitat, Plan B & SOVRN were all making their boards at HLC for the Euro market instead of PS Stix as they had in the past. That's a big no from me for them in the future
@@EDDIEM0NS00N don't think I've seen a PS Stix board since 2020 honestly, I'm sure they're around but not at my local at least so I'd have to gamble on an order
I had 3 boards from them this past year, 2 Sk8mafias and 1 Flip all of them lasted a good month with intensive skating and I only had to buy new ones because the tips were starting to wear. I actually stil have one as a spare if my current setup decides to give in. The pop does feel a little bit dull now that I think about it but I attributed that to the shape I was riding. I did not experience the creaking Ben was talking about, in fact I found their wood quality to be pretty good. None have snapped under me, however, sometimes they do chip. The latter doesn't bother me as much as it used to so I just sand it off a bit and keep riding.
I mostly ride dwindle boards and I love the stiffness and the feel of it and they're cheap in my country. But they have a weird smell, maybe it's the resin.
Really interesting discussion, I'll definitely be looking more closely at my board choice in future. I've got a couple of PS Stix at the moment and am really happy with them, both have a fairly steep concave which I like.
This was great, love the skateboard nerding out. Gotta do a call with Black Ninja, he would have some content worthy things to say.
1 hour video this is what i’ve been waiting for
I hated Control in the 2000s. I'd break 'em very easily.
Now i love them and that's all i skate (because I run a small company). Mine aren't flat at all as I choose the high concave option, but the nose and tail might be flat, just not the rest of the board.
They also hold up well. Everyone I know riding them skates em for at least a couple months each.
Pennswood are amazing , BBS are consistently solid, PS Stix are average at best, Dwindle are dungeon tier (in my experience)
Have to agree pennswood is my fave
Maybe I'm just too used to skating crap wood, but I actually like Dwindle boards. I find them to have a nice stiffness that doesn't sog much and I expect all boards to break regardless of point of origin.
@@thepancakemann in my experience, they are super stiff to begin with but then sog out really quickly. But appreciate people have different experiences. I also find that they pressure crack quickly.
i was largely ANTI dwindle dipped boards. Tough their "TECH" isnpired builds did have my attention though i never got an uberlite/impact board etc. Im mostly a BBS rider though at times ill go for a PSstix shape bc i used to ride active shop decks...and they ran element press/ps stix...and that rounded nose/tail concave shape...that element really pushes....ill ride it from time to time. I have grown used to it over the years. But im partial to BBS flat concave tapred nose/tails or longer nose tail than standard 7.5"/6.5" 8.38. Krooked and bakers.
@@anhiirr BBS are consistently good. I’m a big fan of Heroin boards and they get all their boards pressed at BBS. They are my go to now as I’m into big their egg shapes.
I love Pennswood pressed boards most of all but they are hard to get hold of in the UK and don’t tend to do anything in my size these days.
I got a twin tail chocolate board and I’ve been skating it for 5 months. It just won’t break. It’s still snappy and crisp. Some times you get a dud of a board and it gets soggy within a week or two but you know that was just bad luck. I think I got the opposite of that with the deck I got. No matter how many girl/chocolate boards I get going forward, they will never be as good as the one I have now.
the twin tails are PS I think
I have the Vincent Alvarez “luciadore” deck and I love it. Want to try a twin tail soon
One thing about how a board can last longest is how long it’s been off the press and how they’re stored at the warehouses and shops. My first antihero board snapped in less than a month. Few months later I grabbed a Grant T board and it last a few months and was crispy to the end of its days.
@@jpgrdnr wonder where Neen’s double nose comes from !?
Gifted Hater has been poping up in my thread for a while now, finally clicked because of Ben Degros. This was great stuff!
i kinda like stiff boards. i'm 6'3 240. i think some of their stiffness (DSM) boards is due to epoxy glues. i have 2 almost boards (one double impact, one resin-7) currently skating the double impact. when you tap the boards they kinda ring like ceramic a bit, compared to my anti-hero that sounds kinda dull. i know it depends on how and what you skate, but they do seem a bit more prone to razor tail. like the wood is less dense or 'tough', but they last especially considering my size.
Wow awesome, this was totally ripping, absolutely incredible
Anyone else try the baker 8.475 shape? I'm loving it. On my 3rd now. Feels wide and the wheelbase is a little shorter than the 8.5 so it feels a bit more mobile. Tres on it feel really good. It just spins and flips a bit better than the 8.5 while not losing control like you would with an 8.25 which I feel is slightly too small.
theres something about these videos thats incredibly relaxing
its probably ben
Gifted looking like a 50 year old woman who’s still figuring it out.
Skateboard Cafe from HLC are some of the nicest shapes I've skated. And I'm usually a PS Stix kinda guy.
The aurelian dog skit was insane
I've had many Clutch boards throughout 2021 and every single one developed the most insane pressure cracks I've ever seen. The worst one was straight up delaminating after 2 days.
was complaining the whole week about the lack of uploads... 1 hour long video with ben makes up for it
If your deck was pressed in a dry climate, then shrink wrapped, then shipped to a super humid climate.....expect some warping to occur. For example, a deck that was acclimated/pressed in a wood shop with 35% humidity and then unwrapped at the destination that has 85% humidity....uh oh!
been skating for 15 years and am still willfully ignorant after this vid. if the graphic is tight ill buy it. if i cant land the trick i probably didnt do it right. looking so far into this shit is just more to trip over imo
that's tight that's how I am about guitars because I can't skate for shit
Yep everyone’s “board feel” is different.👍 My first few years all I cared about was if it had 8 bolt-holes and that was it. Haha. Nowadays I look at a board with a magnifying glass before i buy it and never ever bought a board online cuz can’t examine it. 😂
giga chad mentality
The aurelien giraud vid with his dog had me in actual tears,Fucks sake.
wow that hour went by so quick. great convo
All of skateboarding community is at silent when the godfather of skateboarding speaks. All hail Ben Degros.
Ben, really nice wainscoting there. Good background choice for the topic !
Ben can't even help having truck madness. He's on Thunders now? Come on, step bro.
I ride Indys and Thunders, it depends on the deck I'm riding currently. but I agree with Ben when he says he's technically a better skater on thunders since overall that's been my experience too
This is basically a masterclass on woodshops
i had a few zoo yorks in late '90s, i believe they were chapman wood. i liked them. the shape was kinda unique, but not in a bad way
Literally searched comments looking specifically for someone else that knew of chapman! Even tho zoo is dead now they are still made by chapman and i believe traffic is still made by them. I fr think chapman is some of the best wood out there.
@@collinboerem5924 i really liked them. kind of aggressive concave, which keeps them stiff. i'm a big guy 6'3 240 and can't stand overly flexible boards. like when you can put your feet on the bolts and make the board twist. also very big 'shovel' nose and much smaller tail in comparison. i had a robbie gangemi 8.12, i got 2 of them bc i liked it so much
Zoo York always was super steep and had a ton of concave. I might buy one soon just because I miss seeing that company around
Prime is still around? wow
I used to ride prime boards through the 90s til i switched to libtech
Really thinking of going to powell now the flight decks specifically. Idk though i gotta try out some more before i decide. What ive always done is stocked up on a deck i really like and ride that specific deck for years. The PS shape though looks really nice im just not sure about going back to all wood decks though now that im older and wont/cant be doing much other than flatground it might be more economical to just find a good wooden shape.
I am the building inspector for Glendale. Fuck that door.
🤣
"Skateboard madness" I think is the reason why in the 90s and early 2000s I only rode Powell boards. I knew just by looking at the shape number that the board would skate exactly what I expect. So many other brands back then could be totally different 3 months later and I would feel like I gained or lost certain tricks while skating that board as a result. That never happened with the Powell boards. I think the modern day equivalent of this is Girl, Powell (of course) and (though not to the same degree) Almost/Enjoi boards. I can look at their shape description and know it will be just like how the other ones with that shape were. I like not thinking about how to do certain tricks because the board shape was different than the previous board I was riding which is why I think consistency in shape and wood pressing is the most important aspect of a high end board. That being said, it is great when you find the right BBS or PS Stix board.
BBS is the best woodshop.
I ❤ FA/Hockey decks. I got 5 for $150 shipped when they had a sale. Stoked to have the same shape and size in different graphics
dude in the first review I thought ben was just a boomer but he really does do justice to the brands and is detailed. I very much enjoy listening to him talk bc hes critical but yet fair (aka good reviewer) and not as bias as me, GH and most people into sicker things are. Shedding light on real things in skateboarding that has just been ignored is very tight as well. Great video.
I got a brujaria deck out of a tree someone from them left and posted on a Oz skategroup it's where abouts.absolutey loved it blank with tree logo.messaged the company to thank them and compliment it:) stoked to see what shop it came out of
They are out of Prime now. I talked to their owner recently
Sweeeet cheers hey definitely getting onto that:)
OMG this is the topic that i try and explain to kids at the skatepark constantly
Somebody get that old man away from my kids!!
hell when i was a kiddo/teen on teh come up i was to busy thinking of the next brand of truck or if i was gonna size up on my yearly christmass complete. Never realizing how bad half the shit i rode/bought put together really was. But it also was a huge heap in narrowing down what i really liked and how to develop style or how you really like to skate/speed etc. I only really explain it when someone asks why my nollie halfcabs are so big or etc....and i have to explain a flat/nose profile with an extended "RUN" post end bolts as a massive "PLATFORM" for pop on half cabs. Or blasting nollie half cabs better than fakie. Just like no its not skill...more or less adapted "gear"
Come on grandpa you’re 76 now, let’s get you home
Good luck with that. You’re gonna have to tiktakto it to get the message across. 🤣
@Daniel Hollingsworth 😂
Skater from PA, never ridden Pennswood boards I don’t think but I believe Traffic skateboards uses their wood and we got a good amount of Traffic boards in our shop
Ben DeGros. Put respect on his name.
Love ps stix, I started using the glue 8.5X33 with 14.5 wb late last year, I’ve bought 4 board with the same graphic since just because the boards feel so good.
Powell 7 ply sticks and mini logos are china made. Old school reissues used to b made here but recently got moved to mex. Only thing US made is flight decks now aside from some special orders the factory gets
This
So glad i have just now been literally talked into developing board madness. Thanks guys
You should definitely look into Evisen, it’s easily one of my all time favorite companies, every board always feels so good and the graphics are an easy s tier, they’re team and film making is next level creative.
Pretty sure evisen boards are made by dwindle dsm
@@douglaswares5614 they are, I’m just giving my experience as a consistent consumer of DSM but specifically Evisen because Joa hadn’t heard of them and they’re an insanely cool company.
@@lukeanselll I’m surprised Joa never heard of them
kook brand
@@Daggermouth8k L take go back to your moms basement 🤗
The important question is where else can I get FA/Hockey shape
come thru breh
Clutch makes theories and they are my current favorite board to skate i was on a slave before and im think a ps quasi after for fun.
I'm from Spain and I've been skating Jart(HLC) boards for ever. And I didn't notice how bad they were untill trying other boards. Now they feel heavy and thick af. It's true that they last a lot but the pop goes out so quickly.
"Every piece of wood is different. You're never gonna get the same kind of wood again." Giggety.
Best TH-cam collab!!!
Whoever makes creatures boards are amazing! best boards I’ve ever had
We need a RadRatz collab next
Concave radically stiffens a board, and the more concave the stiffer. Think of a piece of paper and then a piece of paper rolled up.