Great informative video. This sounds a lot like what Dirac is doing with their Active Room Treatment tech. The future of home theater is getting better and better.
There are some significant differences from DIRAC, especially around bass steering, and the MSMC aspects of the technology as well as you need to make sure you get the room design correct to begin with as well as use passive acoustics. I watched this interview at least 17 times while editing haha!! Exciting times in the space of bass management that's for certain :)
I don't think this is like DIRAC ART at all. It's just a double bass array described also here and been used for a long time: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bass_array. Non optimal subwoofers placements, according to the orginal DBA idea, sounds to me they are calling that "bass steering"....so yeah a delay to compensate for non ideal positioning of the subs. DBA's needs strict placement whereas ART will work in any room with any gear. I'm rooting for any system to improve bass performance, but this just doesnt feel like noting new, just a rebranding of a DBA with some delay compensation for non optimal sub placements. In the video it's shown to reduce decay above normal subwoofer frequency, but it's not clear to me that this system is active in other speakers than the subs. At least he is honest that is requires a lot the design attention and cannot be used optimally in any situation, again a clear advantage of ART over this. At the end there he refers to subwoofer distance and it's not clear to me if he refers to the general DBA formula, but higher number of subs in the array lends to a higher working frequency - that is if you want your subs playing up that high. DBA's are awesome and I read many have super results with them so I am not surprised is was a good demo. Buy a minidsp and some subs and you can create your own DBA.
Nice 😀😀"Trinnov" - Thinking outside the box, I have been searching for a way to get every chair in the sweet spot !!!!!! Siting in one chair is virtually telling all your friend's to get lost !!!!! Please keep up the great work - Before I build my Theatre Room I NEED INFO LIKE THIS..... REGARD'S DAVE
Awesome video and the CEO did a great job explaining the technology. I’m shocked to find out that Trinnov is only 20 years old - so much technology and a polished product for that short of a company. Thanks for filming and sharing with us since most of will never get to experience it. Hopefully some of these technologies from Trinnov trickle down to the other companies
I plan to integrate this into my room upgrade. While I don't care much about the seat to seat performance (as I don't typically have anyone in them that cares about it all), I would enjoy the improved active absorption.
Sure, what Trinnov are doing is not a double bass array, they have a technology that they demonstrated at ISE USING a DBA. Their tech isn’t a DBA. If you listen to the whole interview it will explain it.
Trinnov likes to talk big. This is something that has been done for years. What trinnov shines in, is getting a working algorithm that works in alot of rooms. This Was doable and was used for a long time. Every basic dsp can Do it. But you would have to measure and calculate it yourself. Trinnov now provides a simple solution for a complicated System. So its still a great Feature but storm and trinnov talk like they found a holy grail. For this to work Phase alignment also is critical. So for pure subs this is not as bad to actually get working. A 3 way speaker with a difficult to handle crossover is way more Problematic. Thats probably why they used so many subs in their Demo when the key point of the solution is to use already installed speakers instead. Well, Sound is complicated and will be complicated for a long ass time. Everyone with access to a good room calibration that works for their room. Congratz, iam happy for you, but no matter what algorithm, a solution that keeps your room and speakers in mind will outperform it.
That's my gripe too, taking a well known approach that a DBA's are, and rebranding it as something new. I'd be more content with - "We looked at DBA's and made them easier to implement"...I'd like to be convinced they worked out how to "bass steer" in the way in a new way that isnt described in the general knowledge about how DBA's work.
I've also had issues getting the synergy 3-ways dialed in - unfortunately looking at doing it externally and just having the trinnov control it as a single speaker.
This is very much high end, home theater porn, but to the common man this is highly unachievable. With a trinnov processor costing upwards of $32,000 usd. This is really just a dream for most people.
It's a dream even for me at this stage and I own a Trinnov. The key is the design of the room is very important to get right, unfortunately for me, I can't place my subs in an optimal way for this to work, but for those who are going to create a new room or can redesign it, they will be able to place their subs in the optimal positions to take advantage of this.
Great informative video. This sounds a lot like what Dirac is doing with their Active Room Treatment tech. The future of home theater is getting better and better.
There are some significant differences from DIRAC, especially around bass steering, and the MSMC aspects of the technology as well as you need to make sure you get the room design correct to begin with as well as use passive acoustics. I watched this interview at least 17 times while editing haha!! Exciting times in the space of bass management that's for certain :)
Personally, i feel Dirac ART would be better ( just from reading the white papers and understanding the way that each company is approaching this ).
@@BuildMontage Great video as always, just wanted to ask have you heard Driac ART ??
I don't think this is like DIRAC ART at all. It's just a double bass array described also here and been used for a long time: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bass_array. Non optimal subwoofers placements, according to the orginal DBA idea, sounds to me they are calling that "bass steering"....so yeah a delay to compensate for non ideal positioning of the subs. DBA's needs strict placement whereas ART will work in any room with any gear. I'm rooting for any system to improve bass performance, but this just doesnt feel like noting new, just a rebranding of a DBA with some delay compensation for non optimal sub placements. In the video it's shown to reduce decay above normal subwoofer frequency, but it's not clear to me that this system is active in other speakers than the subs. At least he is honest that is requires a lot the design attention and cannot be used optimally in any situation, again a clear advantage of ART over this. At the end there he refers to subwoofer distance and it's not clear to me if he refers to the general DBA formula, but higher number of subs in the array lends to a higher working frequency - that is if you want your subs playing up that high. DBA's are awesome and I read many have super results with them so I am not surprised is was a good demo. Buy a minidsp and some subs and you can create your own DBA.
How does this interact with rooms that use Active bass traps?
Nice 😀😀"Trinnov" - Thinking outside the box, I have been searching for a way to get every chair in the sweet spot !!!!!! Siting in one chair is virtually telling all your friend's to get lost !!!!! Please keep up the great work - Before I build my Theatre Room I NEED INFO LIKE THIS..... REGARD'S DAVE
Awesome video and the CEO did a great job explaining the technology. I’m shocked to find out that Trinnov is only 20 years old - so much technology and a polished product for that short of a company.
Thanks for filming and sharing with us since most of will never get to experience it. Hopefully some of these technologies from Trinnov trickle down to the other companies
Hopefully I'll still have my Altitude in 20 years!
@@BuildMontage You will for sure...Trinnov is built to last
Bass beam steering + Active bass absorption
👏👏Awesome video 🙌🙌
I plan to integrate this into my room upgrade. While I don't care much about the seat to seat performance (as I don't typically have anyone in them that cares about it all), I would enjoy the improved active absorption.
Be interesting to see how it goes. I know Trinnov said it will be in select installations initially while they get it ready for mainstream.
Interesting technology. For high end installs this will be a game changer.
For me, in my literal bargain basement, I think I'll stick with DIRAC
This is great but unfortunately I dont know if people have will have the ability to put their speakers into an array. Certainly not with towers
This is just for the sub, not the speaker :)
This is the first show demonstration of the technology, so there won't be a need for 16 subwoofers when it's ready to be deployed.
Informative interview Tony, well done on condensing a lot of information into a short video!
Thank you for watching :)
The principle is a "classic" double bass array, which is used in German professional home cinemas?!
They use the dba to demonstrate the technology.
Oh baby surprise video!
It’s like Cardioid mode on extreme
There's a new sheriff in town 🙌
The end game.
DBL Bass Array?
The double bass array was being used to demonstrate the technology.
Germans are using it for years already in their home cinemas.
Sure, what Trinnov are doing is not a double bass array, they have a technology that they demonstrated at ISE USING a DBA. Their tech isn’t a DBA. If you listen to the whole interview it will explain it.
My mistake, watched half of the video and had some distractions. I was always interested in setting up a DBA. Will finish video soon.
Of course, no problem - this video is for those interested in the details from the CEO himself :) hope it helps to explain it
Trinnov is such an end game product that just keeps getting better.
end game price too😂😂
Nice one. Am already looking forward to the cheap bastard version of this in 5 years = 3 Polk subs at the front, 3 at the back, lots of gaffer tape :)
If you own an Altitude, the update will be free, but yes, you will need to get an Altitude to take advantage of this patented technology.
Trinnov likes to talk big. This is something that has been done for years. What trinnov shines in, is getting a working algorithm that works in alot of rooms. This Was doable and was used for a long time. Every basic dsp can Do it. But you would have to measure and calculate it yourself. Trinnov now provides a simple solution for a complicated System. So its still a great Feature but storm and trinnov talk like they found a holy grail. For this to work Phase alignment also is critical. So for pure subs this is not as bad to actually get working. A 3 way speaker with a difficult to handle crossover is way more Problematic. Thats probably why they used so many subs in their Demo when the key point of the solution is to use already installed speakers instead. Well, Sound is complicated and will be complicated for a long ass time. Everyone with access to a good room calibration that works for their room. Congratz, iam happy for you, but no matter what algorithm, a solution that keeps your room and speakers in mind will outperform it.
That's my gripe too, taking a well known approach that a DBA's are, and rebranding it as something new. I'd be more content with - "We looked at DBA's and made them easier to implement"...I'd like to be convinced they worked out how to "bass steer" in the way in a new way that isnt described in the general knowledge about how DBA's work.
I've also had issues getting the synergy 3-ways dialed in - unfortunately looking at doing it externally and just having the trinnov control it as a single speaker.
This is very much high end, home theater porn, but to the common man this is highly unachievable. With a trinnov processor costing upwards of $32,000 usd. This is really just a dream for most people.
It's a dream even for me at this stage and I own a Trinnov. The key is the design of the room is very important to get right, unfortunately for me, I can't place my subs in an optimal way for this to work, but for those who are going to create a new room or can redesign it, they will be able to place their subs in the optimal positions to take advantage of this.
Tear it down and start over. You’ve done it like 3 times now….what’s 1 more time??? I won’t tell your wife…our secret 😂😂😂