Well I think the Stelvio Quad is really a response to a market where people want an SUV image but don’t necessarily need all the usefulness of SUV’s. I mean how often do you really see a Land Rover, MB, BMW or Porsche SUV towing something or even have more than a couple of passengers for that matter. If you’re just buying an SUV because you like the view up there, want AWD and a bit more practicality, the Stelvio is kinda like a raised station wagon, you can still have your cake and eat it too with one that drives great and is fast. I’ve driven one and it feels 95% as good as my Giulia QV but has the added benefit of awd and more cargo space. I’d still pick my Giulia over it but I can see the advantages of the Stelvio...
Well the new M5 is undeniably a beast but it’s a big heavy beast. If you’re a drag strip lover at heart it beats the QV but despite its huge power advantage and awd grip it still is slower around the n-ring than the QV. The QV is smaller, lighter and has steering and handling so good you’d swear you were in a smaller two door sports car. Look above at the video and all the smiling and laughing in the Stelvio which isn’t quite as fun as the Giulia. If power and straight line performance is your fav the Bimmer is hard to beat, not that it can’t handle. If steering and handling are what floats your boat the QV will put a smile on your face ear to ear, not that the the QV is slow. But you have to ask yourself if straight line speed is all that matters why not just get a Hemi or Tesla? Also the M5 isn’t really in the same class as the QV. It’s way closer to an M3/4 in size and weight as well as $20k+ cheaper than the M5...
Clorox Bleach well it’s easier to fix the “speed” issue and give the QV a tune to get 600hp very easily than it is to improve the M5’s steering and handling and nigh impossible to make the M5 lose weight without ruining the car. A stripped down M5 doesn’t make much sense...
" I mean how often do you really see a ... Porsche SUV towing something..." Well to be contrary, I race with a guy who tows his GT3 behind his Cayenne, but that's the exception lol.
Giulia has stupidly small boot opening. I was waiting for Giulia station wagon but Alfa said that there will be none, so I bought Stelvio. Bigger boot, big rear hatch, more room on the back seats.
FCA is treading on its old brands a lot. It's not an italian company anymore, which is good and bad at the same time. Good, because in the last 15 years they have started making better cars, if you can call cars what they pushed to the market between the 70s and the early 2000s. Bad, because they got rid of not only the bad legacies, but also some good one. Lancia was a luxury car brand, recycled in the WRC. Now it's the brand for young girls' city cars, same platform as the 500/Panda with a bit more refinement. The top Lancias are Chryslers with some shitty chrome liners added. I'd buy the Chrysler, not the Lancias. Alfa Romeo was the sports car brand, but they ruined it. Now they are slowly showing some good effort (back to proper RWD), but they don't show any interest in pushing more that way. If they want to beat, or at least annoy, Audi and BMW, they have to hammer that a lot, and SW is a must. Hope to be wrong, but I wouldn't bet on a coherent plan in that direction. Cheers
Sad0felix I definitely agree. Especially with BMW now focusing more on luxury and technology rather than fun or performance, there’s room for a luxury car company that focuses on making small, light RWD sedans and coupes. If FCA plays their cards right, they could fill that niche with Alfa, but I don’t think they’re willing to take the risk to spend millions trying to conquer a small niche market.
The manufactures need to follow the market trends to stay profitable, and as of late the market demands SUVs. But if Porsche can remain in business because of their SUVs, then I don't see the harm in Alfa doing the same.
@@ihatehandles3 nope, they are on the same unibody platform as the Mercedes Benz M Class and Mercedes Benz R Class. Although those two are some crossovers that are really SUV like. The Grand Cherokee especially in trailhawk form are good off road and the Durango has a good tow rating.
Partially it’s probably because of his partnership with them but also there just aren’t many things similar with a decent price tag. The X5M starts at $100K, the GL63 starts at $120K, the SQ7 starts at $150K and the Cayenne turbo s starts at a whopping $160K...
same. sat in like 2-3 SUVs and they all had the same if not even less interior space than my passat. so they are even more worthless then i thought before :D
I have driven a carrier, although it was an amphibious carrier. 4 years on the bridge of USS Belleau Wood(LHA-3). You would be surprised how much fun they are to drive. Its not that they can't be fun, but because of all the planes and stuff you normally drive in boring a sedate manner. But, get some speed on and do a man overboard drill or torpedo evasive maneuvers, they'll go. After all that, though, I must agree with you, size does matter. 30 knots, a full rudder, ship heeled over about 20 degrees in a destroyer, ship is flexing and shuddering, it doesn't get much better than that.
@@massimobernardo- Italians make cars with great soul, passion and characrer which alot of times the Germans lack, but overall, nobody can touch the Germans really.
I'm italian, the stelvio is not a suv. It is a mountain in the north of italy, the four leaf clover is a good luck gifter, the engine is developed by an engineer from ferrari v12 team...This car is pure emotion my dear
I think the limited tow capacity is to preserve the clutches of the torque vectoring differential. Arguable choice on a SUV, but also the reason it feels so good in curves...
Complete game changer. It is better to think of it as a sport wagon. To me, there are NO compromises as it is just as effective at hauling passengers as cargo. It handles better than most so called sport sedans. Sport sedans, to me, are the real compromise and their rear seats are hardly ever used. I want sport, I want a true 2 door sports car. Mine is not even a Quad, just a 350+/385 ft-lb + tuned Ti Sport and it puts endless grins on my face as it truly drives like a rear wheel drive sports car at the same time it gets 27-30mpg on the highway at 75-80mph. The transmission is the BEST in the business!! My X5's are cumbersome in comparison and they have ourdone the driving dynamics that Porsche supposedly dominates. A Macan is detached from the road in comparison. Good luck putting 4 track tires in the truck of a sedan. This will hold 4 track tires as well as 4 5 gallon gas cans. All I need without the portly weight issues of the Durango or Trailcrow.
The Stelvio is the best SUV to drive but the car that it's based on, the Giulia is even better and its cheaper to buy, and is more fuel efficient. This is why I wish the SUV fad would just go away.
Local dealership closed after two years of no products/warranty repairs and sold out to VW... Y'all are lucky Trump wasn't in charge or Chrysler would have owned all of yurop...
Interesting discussion regarding Trackhawk vs this Alfa. I have just traded in my Grand Cherokee SRT for one of these. Looking forward to less fuel costs, better handling, sharper looks and 30 extra horses. Large Cargo space is probably not why people buy GC SRTs or Trackhawks. It is all about the power.
I would love a turn in one of these. A swing and a miss though on comparisons. The Durango and TrackHawk are a different class... and won’t corner anything like the Alfa. Your primary targets would be the Porsche Macan and Jag F-Pace. I spent a week in a Macan S and now I know that “SUVs” don’t have to suck. Rear-biased drive, adjustable suspension, fantastic brakes, and the positive connected feeling of the PDK transmission. For an enthusiast, it was actually a quite enjoyable way to carry the family around. I’ll keep looking on Turo for a Stelvio to rent, because I’m curious how the FCA entry stacks up.
a geländewagen has a body on from platform. SUV is the more car version. as the name says sports utility vehicle. so basicly a lifted station wagon. no body on frame car is any kind of sport utility. crossovers are lifted small cars, more like small city cars with a high seating position.
I've seen that smile before. Everytime one starts a proper Alfa you get that smile it's a built in feature. Fun seeing people that never considered Alfa as car maker getting that expression.
My bro got one and I always love when he comes to visit because he owns a company in Tennessee and he lets me drive it. It’s the fastest thing I’ve ever driven since I’ve only had 2 Camry’s lol
Seating position, seating position, seating position. People tend to think that SUV buyers are all about all the SUV aspects or at least some. But IMO the most important one is the seating position. Easy comfortable in and out, not being blinded at nights, better view around that some much eases the drive and awarenes. Tow rating? Are you kidding? Rear leg room? Like for adults? Like I buy $80k car and adults dont 90% of the time drive in front because we cant afford $3000 used civic for more adult size people? Just saying, I love driving SUVs for the seating position, not the tow rating or space.
The Stelvio looks like an upsized Giulietta hatchback. I had one of those while living in Europe, that car was a lot of fun. I wish they sold it in the US - probably wouldn't buy it, but I'd love to see them on the road every now and then.
Hi Engineering explained, Interesting and technically oriented review about the Stelvio QV in particular, and globally it can be apply to the SUV (very large) category as a whole. Here is one aspect that almost all the car testers don't point out; SUV is the answer to practical (and sometime very engaging!) driving vehicles. I explained myself: The biological geometry of the human makes driving small sedan like the Giulia a delicate experience, since these kind of cars (not only this model) are low (difficult to get in and out), narrow (not comfortable), but mostly the fact that they are low means that the torso/leg angle is small when seated (compare to a higher seated vehicle like a SUV or truck). That's a critical point. When you don't feel very comfortable it's less interesting to drive further on. Driving is not only accelerating on a straight line for 5 minutes. No wonder that the SUV's are the answer to that problem that especially affect taller/broader/physically limited/older people category. And we are a lot in that position. That said some of us in that category aren't willing to give up the enjoyment of having a good time behind the wheel because we drive an SUV;-)! Now it seems that the Stelvio QV has hit a sweet spot on the engaged driver's SUV, on demand. Yes on demand cause on top of that you can disengage a cylinder (or 2, I don't know) when the dial is on A (DNA), practical as a daily driver in town. Plus the QV seems to have a rare feature about their seats, the lateral bolstering can be adjusted, an intelligent feature that should be standard on all cars above a certain price (the base Stelvio should have it..). So it's like having different car style in one, not bad at all frankly!!! Last thing to choose is the model, either the regular Stelvio or the QV. Bravo Alfa!
I've only driven the Giulia but even in base form that car is amazing. I must own an alfa someday everyone must-practical from a financial point nope but that smile on our face at the start of the video says it all lifes short enjoy it
I think Stelvio is mainly aimed at european soccer moms. In UK driving your kids to school in an SUV became a form of social status expression. Also that "sitting higher" position, weight and potential crash safety is the reason why they buy this. European city roads are much different from US ones, so car has to be more nimble, not so big and heavy. it all makes sense on the old continent. In America however this car may not go well with the trends and peoples expectations. But since Alfa has made a comeback in US they might as well sell their SUV.
I was thinking the same. SUV are supposed to have more space for people and luggage but that's not the case with most of them. Many estates, especially audis and volvos, have tons more space inside. As far as safety goes, I'm not too sure. For light collisions they might be good but i always feel that in a hard turn they'll tip over.
@@svetko05 but it's the "feeling" of safety that people appreciate. If you sit higher and feel the weight of your car you feel safer. It may be a false feeling, i agree. I'm just saying what people feel when driving an SUV, not getting into safety ratings.
You got it all wrong! This is NOT an SUV, or meant to be used for SUV, this is a CROSS OVER, which is essentially the alternative to Wagons in the US market, so a DRIVING CAR with a bit more cargo room and usability, for going to and from work, and driving around town! Guilia would be my choice, BUT ppl are NOT buying Sedans, so this is BY FAR THE BEST cross-over one could buy at the moment... I am so waiting for next raise to buy this amazing car! It also LOOKS AMAZING on top of all driving pleasures!
I’d rather have a Giulia Wagon than an SUV, even if the SUV drives well. Alas, we’re in the decade of the SUV lovers. The Stelvio looks nice and all though.
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Serious question... What designates a vehicle as an SUV? Because this looks like a station wagon and seems to perform...well, like a sports car like he said... When I hear SUV, I think a Land Rover, Jeep or a Ford Explorer...something that goes off road, basically. This is just a car with a hatchback, no? He even states it's not really an SUV... As some one who grew up with only two types of vehicles--cars and trucks (and, of course, the all-confusing El Camino)... I'm confused at these labels
These are actually CUV (Compact Utility Vehicle). SUV is a body on frame giant thing usually with 4wheel drive. These CUV's are just jacked up cars with AWD to appeal to American audiences that like tall vehicles.
Seems like anything with a hatch and a little higher than regular height sedan is called SUV's - technically stands for Sport Utility Vehicle but I think utility vehicle fits better though maybe you don't want to call then UV. Old is different from the new to say the least.
It's the ability to kill more efficient. If a todler head desintegrate during a crash ; if small cars are crushed with ease ; if you emit more particles and give cancer to everybody around you ; then you have a SUV.
How does the Stelvio compare to something like a Cayenne/S/Turbo or Macan/S/GTS/etc or “sporty” SUVs from other German makers? Ignoring price differences, there are other vehicles on the road that seem to straddle the divide between road performance and SUV roles pretty well. The Cayenne for example is spacious, has a good tow rating, and is considered to be quite capable off-road (not that most owners will ever use it that way) while also still good at “being a Porsche”. Are the tradeoffs that the Stelvio makes worth it when there are lots of competitors out there that maybe aren’t quite as fast but seem to be more versatile (and also aren’t made by FCA :P ) ?
I don’t agree with him saying that you aren’t connected when driving an SUV. I drive a ‘93 Land Cruiser and i feel extremely connected when driving it. You learn how to become one with the car. I can feel when my rear left tyre is lifting up because it needs air. I know how hard I can drive the car because I can feel how it behaves. I drive go karts almost every week (I also work at the karting track I drive at) and I agree that in a way you are “more” connected when driving but claiming you are less connected when driving an SUV to me is complete bs.
It makes more sense in some European markets where cars are taxed based on engine capacity, so your big 6.2lt V8s might offer a whole lotta car for the purchasing price but their cost of upkeep can be prohibitive over here. Not to mention the cost of fuel in most European countries is over twice the average price of the US.
I wanted/needed an "SUV" because I have a large dog that I want to confine in the back area. You can not do that in a sedan. I looked at station wagons like the MB E450 or the Audi A6 Allroad. Great cars, but you can't get one and they are not really driver's cars. A bigger SUV would be more than I needed. BTW the Stelvio QV has slightly more cargo area than the Porsche Macan. I did consider a GTS. So I am not sure there is enough room for many SUV buyers, so I get your point, but it is better than some in space and certainly is a great handling/performing SUV.
Very enjoyable narrative. Very interesting, as it made the subject matter relatable. As always. Great job. AS ALWAYS. Don't listen to anyone who says to change things up! The channel works perfectly. It ain't broke; don't fix it :)
Yeah these aren't SUVs. These are crossovers. I feel that the main reason for this confusion is the fact that the first crossovers like the Jeep Cherokee XJ had only the body on frame SUVs to compete with. Early crossovers were actually able to keep up with the SUVs. But as you said, most of them (I said most, so don't @ me) became AWD minivans with sliding doors that can barely go off road or go towing. There are only 16 body on frame SUVs still available in the US and only 9 if you consider badge engineered models as one. GM SUVs (Chevy Tahoe and Suburban, GMC Yukon, and Cadillac Escalade) Upcoming Ford Bronco Ford Expedition/Lincoln Navigator Jeep Wrangler Mercedes G Wagon Nissan Armada/Infiniti QX80 Toyota Sequoia Toyota 4runner/Lexus GX Toyota Land Cruiser/Lexus LX
@@mar7909 I think I found two reasons. First is that it is easier for the elderly to get in and out of crossovers. Secondly, parents are too insecure about how minivans and station wagons take away from the attractiveness that they never had. So they went to body on frame SUVs and thought that they were too trucky. They wanted an SUV without the fundamentals of an SUV, so crossovers were born
I sat in the backseat of a Stelvio and it was comfy enough. I am 6'2"/188cm. I would still buy Giulia over Stelvio, and I think the reason they made the Stelvio instead of a estate version of the Giulia, which would look terrific, is to address the SUV/North American market
It's the SUV that doesn't suck to drive because its based on a sports saloon, but jacked up a bit. Of course its not the most practical SUV, but then who ever bought an Alfa Romeo for practical reasons? All the compliments about how it drives are a testament to how good the basic Giulia platform is, despite this being taller and heavier.
there was a meme or a quote once that went something like , if they won't buy hatchbacks or wagons , we will lift them 20cm and call them SUVs , it was from the perspective of a European marketing team directing there ads at Americans. i think it may be an Old Top gear quote from Clarkson.
Yes, I agree with what you said. I think I understand why this Alfa Romeo suv. I live in Toronto Canada. Due to the winter conditions, the road surface is just rubbish. I like cars like M3, C63, and the Giulia. But they are just not good for car that I will be driving for all season. And suv like dodge, Jeep, Mercedes are just too heavy or too expensive or too boring. So I think this Alfa is a great little crossover that makes sense.
One of the reasons a tall person would buy an SUV over a sedan / normal height car is because they are much easier to get in and out of if you’re tall. Also if you use it to visit many different places / people’s houses, you don’t have the problem with hitting the bottoms of the doors on rocks, walls etc etc when you open them.
I drove one, and it's insane, the Stelvio feels just like a normal sport sedan...but it's a bloody SUV And you don't need the QV, just the rear wheel drive 280 hp petrol (Gasoline) Stelvio is more than enough!
I would venture a guess that 90% of the people buying SUVs are buying it because they want something big and tall. Most people in the USA seem to believe bigger is better. Alpha just made a fun SUV for those people.
I always thought that the best Alfa Romeo was one that you didn't own (or at least, one you only intended to look at). For the most part, they can't break if they aren't moving.
Yeah, they do work as sportscars. There is no denying that fact. That's why BMW X5M worked, that's why Porsche Cayenne worked and single handedly saved Porsche from going down as a company, that's why Acura MDX and RDX work (although they are not even up to par with above mentioned power wise), that's why Lamborghini is releasing their SUV, etc, etc, etc. You can deny it all the way you want, but the fact will remain the fact.
I test drove it in Spring of 2018 and did not like it. Performance was good but the rear end was moving a lot in s-corners and the chassis got quite some lean angle. The interior (fake, light wood paneling) looked cheap. I also wanted to test the Giulia QV but they only had one car and it was in high demand.
Jason you say this is the most fun SUV to drive in the $80k price range, have you driven the Porsche Macan S or turbo? If not I highly recommend making that your next video! That said I love the Stelvio and it looks amazing to drive. Just those Alfa quality issues to deal with and at that price point, better German options.
The Macan is an older platform and has lost in more than one direct comparison in terms of chassis. Also they don’t produce a version that has the same power and torque so there you go
Thank you for finally discussing some Italian engineering! :^) Any chance you can focus on the FIRE or Multiair engine technologies in one of your upcoming videos? All the best, and thanks for all the great content!
It's a CUV. That might seem like tomato-tomoto to some folks, but the difference is important: blend a car (unibody) with a SUV (traditionally a body-on-frame vehicle), and you end up with the spectrum of vehicles in between which gives you pretty much what you expect -- less utilitarian than a large SUV but more economical and fun to drive, yet more utilitarian than a car without giving up AS MUCH performance and fuel economy. Thus, it makes sense to me why the market has moved away from cars and more towards CUV's, where we have all this room in the U.S. to go about our business and travels. As for the Stelvio... while it doesn't come close to utility like Durango, Grand Cherokee, etc., basically you get much of the performance feel of the Guilia (or rather, sports cars in general) with more space to put your s**t. It's hard to argue the logic, right?? Those that are purist enthusiasts, sure, looks and performance metrics don't cut it. That's cool, and what's better is that we've never had such a broad range of automobiles as now... wait for it... all thanks to ENGINEERS. :D :D :D
If I want a practical fast car I’d get an RS6 Avant. The only reason I’d get an SUV is either because it looks fantastic (Alfa Stelvio) and/or I need 7 seats (XC90)
@@AE86FTS so I go back and forth on this. Then again all SUV means is sport activity video. although def agree allmost all early ones before the x5 and RX were truck based.
I found the X5M drivetrain quite harsh. It is go-kartesque, I would agree, but I didn't think it was great to drive. Bouncy like driving a manual, but it's auto.
The Stelvio is intended to go against the Macan, the GLE and GLC Coupe, and maybe the RR Sport in a pinch. The Jeep and Durango are in an entirely different market segment. The Stelvio is in the Coupe SUV segment. No Macan or GLE/GLC buyer would ever look at a full SUV like the Durango SRT.
I think the Stelvio was meant to compete against the X5M, X6M, GLE and such. I mean, Stelvio doesn't even look like a big, beefy suv. Its more of a sports sedan, just with a raised ride height and a bit more practicality.
I don’t think there is a lot of cross shopping between people looking at a Stelvio and the Jeep and Dodge crowd. The Alfa is a ‘driver’s machine’, the others you are comparing it to are appliances. I think a better comparison would be against the BMW/Benz/Porsche/Jaguar offerings.
My point was simply that the buyer would have more fun, and for less money, with the Giulia, and not lose much of the "practicality" of the larger vehicle.
3.6 sec 0-60?! That's smokin fast! Even for a "regular" sportcar. Like, the renault Alpine A110(2018 version) has 250hp, 1100 kg and it takes 4,5sec. With a double-clutch and pilot sport 4 tires. And you don't have a goddamn glovebox
In my country, cars like this are preferred because sedans or smaller cars in general suffer with the horribly made roads. This small SUVs are the perfect point between a small car and a real SUV
Under 8 minutes around the Burguer King, what a machine!!
Well I think the Stelvio Quad is really a response to a market where people want an SUV image but don’t necessarily need all the usefulness of SUV’s. I mean how often do you really see a Land Rover, MB, BMW or Porsche SUV towing something or even have more than a couple of passengers for that matter. If you’re just buying an SUV because you like the view up there, want AWD and a bit more practicality, the Stelvio is kinda like a raised station wagon, you can still have your cake and eat it too with one that drives great and is fast. I’ve driven one and it feels 95% as good as my Giulia QV but has the added benefit of awd and more cargo space. I’d still pick my Giulia over it but I can see the advantages of the Stelvio...
Well the new M5 is undeniably a beast but it’s a big heavy beast. If you’re a drag strip lover at heart it beats the QV but despite its huge power advantage and awd grip it still is slower around the n-ring than the QV. The QV is smaller, lighter and has steering and handling so good you’d swear you were in a smaller two door sports car. Look above at the video and all the smiling and laughing in the Stelvio which isn’t quite as fun as the Giulia. If power and straight line performance is your fav the Bimmer is hard to beat, not that it can’t handle. If steering and handling are what floats your boat the QV will put a smile on your face ear to ear, not that the the QV is slow. But you have to ask yourself if straight line speed is all that matters why not just get a Hemi or Tesla?
Also the M5 isn’t really in the same class as the QV. It’s way closer to an M3/4 in size and weight as well as $20k+ cheaper than the M5...
Clorox Bleach well it’s easier to fix the “speed” issue and give the QV a tune to get 600hp very easily than it is to improve the M5’s steering and handling and nigh impossible to make the M5 lose weight without ruining the car. A stripped down M5 doesn’t make much sense...
" I mean how often do you really see a ... Porsche SUV towing something..."
Well to be contrary, I race with a guy who tows his GT3 behind his Cayenne, but that's the exception lol.
@@jerrycube6244 You should compare Giulia handling to M3, not to the M5.
Farzana Patel Clorox bleach was cross shopping the m5 and the Stelvio, I’d normally not compare them...
But why buy the Stelvio when you can buy the Giulia
I was thinking the same thing.
True. Giulia is a stunning car.
This one.. mmm, not so much. But it at least sounds as good, I'll give it that - most SUVs are boring asf.
Giulia has stupidly small boot opening. I was waiting for Giulia station wagon but Alfa said that there will be none, so I bought Stelvio. Bigger boot, big rear hatch, more room on the back seats.
moa labs exactly
Enough said
It might be nice, but I still wish we got a Giulia wagon.
FCA is treading on its old brands a lot.
It's not an italian company anymore, which is good and bad at the same time.
Good, because in the last 15 years they have started making better cars, if you can call cars what they pushed to the market between the 70s and the early 2000s.
Bad, because they got rid of not only the bad legacies, but also some good one.
Lancia was a luxury car brand, recycled in the WRC.
Now it's the brand for young girls' city cars, same platform as the 500/Panda with a bit more refinement.
The top Lancias are Chryslers with some shitty chrome liners added.
I'd buy the Chrysler, not the Lancias.
Alfa Romeo was the sports car brand, but they ruined it.
Now they are slowly showing some good effort (back to proper RWD), but they don't show any interest in pushing more that way.
If they want to beat, or at least annoy, Audi and BMW, they have to hammer that a lot, and SW is a must.
Hope to be wrong, but I wouldn't bet on a coherent plan in that direction.
Cheers
Sad0felix I definitely agree. Especially with BMW now focusing more on luxury and technology rather than fun or performance, there’s room for a luxury car company that focuses on making small, light RWD sedans and coupes. If FCA plays their cards right, they could fill that niche with Alfa, but I don’t think they’re willing to take the risk to spend millions trying to conquer a small niche market.
It is a Guilia wagon. Put a set of Eibach springs in it and Bingo, you are wagon height.
You don't buy an Alfa for practicality. You buy it because you want a beautiful, fast car with the best handling.
SUV’s are inherently un-sporty, but I guess nobody told Alfa that
Crossover not SUVs
While I personally agree, SUVs literlly have "sporty" in their name as SUV stands for Sport Utility Vehicle.
@@kenkalajdzic The Sport in Sport Utility Vehicle means stuff like off roading.
The manufactures need to follow the market trends to stay profitable, and as of late the market demands SUVs. But if Porsche can remain in business because of their SUVs, then I don't see the harm in Alfa doing the same.
@@vossler360 Crossovers not SUVs
What's funny is all the fast SUV competition you mention are also FCA products. :)
I was also thinking that
Crossover not SUV
@@AE86FTS pretty sure te durango srt the jeep srt and track hawk are suv's
@@ihatehandles3 nope, they are on the same unibody platform as the Mercedes Benz M Class and Mercedes Benz R Class. Although those two are some crossovers that are really SUV like. The Grand Cherokee especially in trailhawk form are good off road and the Durango has a good tow rating.
Partially it’s probably because of his partnership with them but also there just aren’t many things similar with a decent price tag. The X5M starts at $100K, the GL63 starts at $120K, the SQ7 starts at $150K and the Cayenne turbo s starts at a whopping $160K...
In this day and age anything that can put a smile on your face like that Stelvio did is something to have in your life
It's quite fun!!
Rear leg room in an SUV?! News to me. Every SUV I've sat in the back of has the same or less rear leg room as a sedan.
That's often true these days and most of those you sat in are probably crossovers too.
It’s headroom or legroom
There are small SUVs and small sedans so it all depends
Facts, SUVs for how big they are lack headroom, and legroom 80% of the time. 05 yukon xl I dont even fit and I'm only 6'2
same. sat in like 2-3 SUVs and they all had the same if not even less interior space than my passat. so they are even more worthless then i thought before :D
You can tell Jason gets it and it’s a genuine enthusiast
I have driven a carrier, although it was an amphibious carrier. 4 years on the bridge of USS Belleau Wood(LHA-3). You would be surprised how much fun they are to drive. Its not that they can't be fun, but because of all the planes and stuff you normally drive in boring a sedate manner. But, get some speed on and do a man overboard drill or torpedo evasive maneuvers, they'll go.
After all that, though, I must agree with you, size does matter. 30 knots, a full rudder, ship heeled over about 20 degrees in a destroyer, ship is flexing and shuddering, it doesn't get much better than that.
Giulia Quadrifoglio for Daily.
Stelvio Quadrifoglio for Road Trips.
4C for Togue runs and Track Days.
Win the jackpot. That would be my driveway.
8c for sunday road sprints
As an Italian, I am very proud of this review!
Vincenzo Rubino be ashamed of its reliability
@@Loachie90 now give out statistics.
@Michael Voung give me the statistics on the reliability of the Alfa Quadrifoglio, I'll settle for a link
@@massimobernardo- Italians make cars with great soul, passion and characrer which alot of times the Germans lack, but overall, nobody can touch the Germans really.
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It's not a car, it's an Alfa Romeo 😄
exactly!!
I was going to comment that he was missing the point but you already did.
fantastic car
Best suv is a raised miata. Dont @ me
What is "Dont @ me"?
@PatisFTW ok
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@@mchipman7879 It means "don't argue with me" or something similar is my understanding.
Crossover not SUV
I'm italian, the stelvio is not a suv. It is a mountain in the north of italy, the four leaf clover is a good luck gifter, the engine is developed by an engineer from ferrari v12 team...This car is pure emotion my dear
I think the limited tow capacity is to preserve the clutches of the torque vectoring differential. Arguable choice on a SUV, but also the reason it feels so good in curves...
Complete game changer. It is better to think of it as a sport wagon. To me, there are NO compromises as it is just as effective at hauling passengers as cargo. It handles better than most so called sport sedans. Sport sedans, to me, are the real compromise and their rear seats are hardly ever used. I want sport, I want a true 2 door sports car. Mine is not even a Quad, just a 350+/385 ft-lb + tuned Ti Sport and it puts endless grins on my face as it truly drives like a rear wheel drive sports car at the same time it gets 27-30mpg on the highway at 75-80mph. The transmission is the BEST in the business!! My X5's are cumbersome in comparison and they have ourdone the driving dynamics that Porsche supposedly dominates. A Macan is detached from the road in comparison.
Good luck putting 4 track tires in the truck of a sedan. This will hold 4 track tires as well as 4 5 gallon gas cans. All I need without the portly weight issues of the Durango or Trailcrow.
Love your videos and explanations, but I'll be happy when this fad of the hyper SUV dies.
But but but you definitely need a car like this to drive yourself to and from work! 😋
haha LOL haha AGREED! Whilst they do make some that are quite quick, You could make a traditional sports care much quicker a lot easier.
That and a lot of them are owners that really like the performance, but need space of a minivan but dont want to be seen in one lmao
100% facts!
@@idave4900 couldn't agree more. As an auto journalist- there will be more & more of them.
I wish I could see more Alfas on this channel. There's something special about them.
People, look de smile on his face !!! Pure Joy ... nothing like doing what you like ... Congratulations Mr. Jason ... carry on ...
The Stelvio is the best SUV to drive but the car that it's based on, the Giulia is even better and its cheaper to buy, and is more fuel efficient. This is why I wish the SUV fad would just go away.
It's a basically a lifted hatchback Giulia, which is perfect on some really nasty winter roads
Glad America gets to finally experiance Alfa Romeo again. Us Europeans love them for what they are for 100+ years.
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Jeremy Clarkson does, but not Richard Hammond and James May, who think it is rubbish and roasted the Alpha Romeo Giulio.
“ it’s like a clueless ship out to see” - That’s the best analogy ever for a car that has vague feeling
Interesting discussion regarding Trackhawk vs this Alfa. I have just traded in my Grand Cherokee SRT for one of these. Looking forward to less fuel costs, better handling, sharper looks and 30 extra horses. Large Cargo space is probably not why people buy GC SRTs or Trackhawks. It is all about the power.
I would love a turn in one of these. A swing and a miss though on comparisons. The Durango and TrackHawk are a different class... and won’t corner anything like the Alfa. Your primary targets would be the Porsche Macan and Jag F-Pace. I spent a week in a Macan S and now I know that “SUVs” don’t have to suck. Rear-biased drive, adjustable suspension, fantastic brakes, and the positive connected feeling of the PDK transmission. For an enthusiast, it was actually a quite enjoyable way to carry the family around. I’ll keep looking on Turo for a Stelvio to rent, because I’m curious how the FCA entry stacks up.
Is it safe to say that most advertised SUVs are really crossovers. A true SUV has a body on frame platform. While a crossover is a unibody.
Very few true SUV these days. Agreed that most are actually just crossovers.
The term SUV has been loosely used for crossovers for more than a decade now that I don’t think it’s even worth debating anymore
@@kylosolo6128 being incorrectly used doesn't change the actual meaning.
The marketing tag SUV already implies crossover: Sports + Utility.
a geländewagen has a body on from platform. SUV is the more car version. as the name says sports utility vehicle. so basicly a lifted station wagon. no body on frame car is any kind of sport utility. crossovers are lifted small cars, more like small city cars with a high seating position.
I've seen that smile before. Everytime one starts a proper Alfa you get that smile it's a built in feature. Fun seeing people that never considered Alfa as car maker getting that expression.
Glad Alfa is back. My wife loved her Milano Gold auto and I throughly enjoyed my Milano 3.0 in the late 80's and early 90's. Thanks for the video!!!
My bro got one and I always love when he comes to visit because he owns a company in Tennessee and he lets me drive it. It’s the fastest thing I’ve ever driven since I’ve only had 2 Camry’s lol
Seating position, seating position, seating position. People tend to think that SUV buyers are all about all the SUV aspects or at least some. But IMO the most important one is the seating position. Easy comfortable in and out, not being blinded at nights, better view around that some much eases the drive and awarenes. Tow rating? Are you kidding? Rear leg room? Like for adults? Like I buy $80k car and adults dont 90% of the time drive in front because we cant afford $3000 used civic for more adult size people?
Just saying, I love driving SUVs for the seating position, not the tow rating or space.
Haha yes, I even stated this in the video (about seating position).
man, I never thought that your on to car reviews too, you should do it more. Awesome job..
The Stelvio looks like an upsized Giulietta hatchback. I had one of those while living in Europe, that car was a lot of fun. I wish they sold it in the US - probably wouldn't buy it, but I'd love to see them on the road every now and then.
Hi Engineering explained,
Interesting and technically oriented review about the Stelvio QV in particular, and globally it can be apply to the SUV (very large) category as a whole. Here is one aspect that almost all the car testers don't point out;
SUV is the answer to practical (and sometime very engaging!) driving vehicles. I explained myself: The biological geometry of the human makes driving small sedan like the Giulia a delicate experience, since these kind of cars (not only this model) are low (difficult to get in and out), narrow (not comfortable), but mostly the fact that they are low means that the torso/leg angle is small when seated (compare to a higher seated vehicle like a SUV or truck). That's a critical point.
When you don't feel very comfortable it's less interesting to drive further on. Driving is not only accelerating on a straight line for 5 minutes. No wonder that the SUV's are the answer to that problem that especially affect taller/broader/physically limited/older people category. And we are a lot in that position. That said some of us in that category aren't willing to give up the enjoyment of having a good time behind the wheel because we drive an SUV;-)!
Now it seems that the Stelvio QV has hit a sweet spot on the engaged driver's SUV, on demand. Yes on demand cause on top of that you can disengage a cylinder (or 2, I don't know) when the dial is on A (DNA), practical as a daily driver in town. Plus the QV seems to have a rare feature about their seats, the lateral bolstering can be adjusted, an intelligent feature that should be standard on all cars above a certain price (the base Stelvio should have it..). So it's like having different car style in one, not bad at all frankly!!! Last thing to choose is the model, either the regular Stelvio or the QV.
Bravo Alfa!
The Dodge Durango, Jeep Grand Cherokee, & the Alfa Romao Stelvo are all related. thank you FCA for bringing us suvs that can preform like no other.
@miyahtallulah Not really, the Grand Cherokee shares its platform with the Stelvio
I've only driven the Giulia but even in base form that car is amazing. I must own an alfa someday everyone must-practical from a financial point nope but that smile on our face at the start of the video says it all lifes short enjoy it
not mentioned. IMO this these things sound the best
Amazing vehicle, great video! Love AlfaRomeo, they're keeping the joy in driving!!
Yeah, I'd be chuckling too right up until the first maintenance invoice!
You mean the first FREE service??
I think Stelvio is mainly aimed at european soccer moms. In UK driving your kids to school in an SUV became a form of social status expression. Also that "sitting higher" position, weight and potential crash safety is the reason why they buy this. European city roads are much different from US ones, so car has to be more nimble, not so big and heavy. it all makes sense on the old continent. In America however this car may not go well with the trends and peoples expectations. But since Alfa has made a comeback in US they might as well sell their SUV.
I was thinking the same. SUV are supposed to have more space for people and luggage but that's not the case with most of them. Many estates, especially audis and volvos, have tons more space inside.
As far as safety goes, I'm not too sure. For light collisions they might be good but i always feel that in a hard turn they'll tip over.
@@svetko05 but it's the "feeling" of safety that people appreciate. If you sit higher and feel the weight of your car you feel safer. It may be a false feeling, i agree. I'm just saying what people feel when driving an SUV, not getting into safety ratings.
You got it all wrong! This is NOT an SUV, or meant to be used for SUV, this is a CROSS OVER, which is essentially the alternative to Wagons in the US market, so a DRIVING CAR with a bit more cargo room and usability, for going to and from work, and driving around town! Guilia would be my choice, BUT ppl are NOT buying Sedans, so this is BY FAR THE BEST cross-over one could buy at the moment... I am so waiting for next raise to buy this amazing car! It also LOOKS AMAZING on top of all driving pleasures!
Now you known how is to drive a Alfa Romeo.
Marcelo Henrique it’s like flying
Rear suspension and steering are on point in this one.
I LOve IT!!!!!!!!! nothing is perfect, and when you buy a vehicle like Stelivo Quadrifoglio , you buy handling and power!
I’d rather have a Giulia Wagon than an SUV, even if the SUV drives well. Alas, we’re in the decade of the SUV lovers. The Stelvio looks nice and all though.
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This looks bad ass. I am currently shopping for 2015 Cayenne
Serious question... What designates a vehicle as an SUV? Because this looks like a station wagon and seems to perform...well, like a sports car like he said... When I hear SUV, I think a Land Rover, Jeep or a Ford Explorer...something that goes off road, basically. This is just a car with a hatchback, no? He even states it's not really an SUV... As some one who grew up with only two types of vehicles--cars and trucks (and, of course, the all-confusing El Camino)... I'm confused at these labels
These are actually CUV (Compact Utility Vehicle). SUV is a body on frame giant thing usually with 4wheel drive. These CUV's are just jacked up cars with AWD to appeal to American audiences that like tall vehicles.
Seems like anything with a hatch and a little higher than regular height sedan is called SUV's - technically stands for Sport Utility Vehicle but I think utility vehicle fits better though maybe you don't want to call then UV. Old is different from the new to say the least.
It's the ability to kill more efficient. If a todler head desintegrate during a crash ; if small cars are crushed with ease ; if you emit more particles and give cancer to everybody around you ; then you have a SUV.
a little higher ? Are you kidding me? The Stelvio is 26 cm higher than the Alfa Romeo 159 sportswagon was and 24 cm higher than the Giulia now is.
How does the Stelvio compare to something like a Cayenne/S/Turbo or Macan/S/GTS/etc or “sporty” SUVs from other German makers? Ignoring price differences, there are other vehicles on the road that seem to straddle the divide between road performance and SUV roles pretty well. The Cayenne for example is spacious, has a good tow rating, and is considered to be quite capable off-road (not that most owners will ever use it that way) while also still good at “being a Porsche”. Are the tradeoffs that the Stelvio makes worth it when there are lots of competitors out there that maybe aren’t quite as fast but seem to be more versatile (and also aren’t made by FCA :P ) ?
u serious need to get out under that rock of u. never buy german when u can buy italian
I'm 8:30 in and you haven't said the word "Porsche" wtf?
Porsche doesn't excist anymore. its 2018, who wants an upgraded beetle?
Really like your press test drives
I don’t agree with him saying that you aren’t connected when driving an SUV. I drive a ‘93 Land Cruiser and i feel extremely connected when driving it. You learn how to become one with the car. I can feel when my rear left tyre is lifting up because it needs air. I know how hard I can drive the car because I can feel how it behaves. I drive go karts almost every week (I also work at the karting track I drive at) and I agree that in a way you are “more” connected when driving but claiming you are less connected when driving an SUV to me is complete bs.
It makes more sense in some European markets where cars are taxed based on engine capacity, so your big 6.2lt V8s might offer a whole lotta car for the purchasing price but their cost of upkeep can be prohibitive over here. Not to mention the cost of fuel in most European countries is over twice the average price of the US.
I wanted/needed an "SUV" because I have a large dog that I want to confine in the back area. You can not do that in a sedan. I looked at station wagons like the MB E450 or the Audi A6 Allroad. Great cars, but you can't get one and they are not really driver's cars. A bigger SUV would be more than I needed. BTW the Stelvio QV has slightly more cargo area than the Porsche Macan. I did consider a GTS. So I am not sure there is enough room for many SUV buyers, so I get your point, but it is better than some in space and certainly is a great handling/performing SUV.
Very enjoyable narrative. Very interesting, as it made the subject matter relatable. As always. Great job. AS ALWAYS.
Don't listen to anyone who says to change things up! The channel works perfectly. It ain't broke; don't fix it :)
All SUV's are slowly turning into 4x4 mini van's, am I the only one who see's this?
Yeah these aren't SUVs. These are crossovers. I feel that the main reason for this confusion is the fact that the first crossovers like the Jeep Cherokee XJ had only the body on frame SUVs to compete with. Early crossovers were actually able to keep up with the SUVs. But as you said, most of them (I said most, so don't @ me) became AWD minivans with sliding doors that can barely go off road or go towing. There are only 16 body on frame SUVs still available in the US and only 9 if you consider badge engineered models as one.
GM SUVs (Chevy Tahoe and Suburban, GMC Yukon, and Cadillac Escalade)
Upcoming Ford Bronco
Ford Expedition/Lincoln Navigator
Jeep Wrangler
Mercedes G Wagon
Nissan Armada/Infiniti QX80
Toyota Sequoia
Toyota 4runner/Lexus GX
Toyota Land Cruiser/Lexus LX
Thank you for calling these abominations for what they are.
I hate they way 99% of them look as well. Why they are so popular is lost on me.
@@mar7909 I think I found two reasons. First is that it is easier for the elderly to get in and out of crossovers. Secondly, parents are too insecure about how minivans and station wagons take away from the attractiveness that they never had. So they went to body on frame SUVs and thought that they were too trucky. They wanted an SUV without the fundamentals of an SUV, so crossovers were born
Nothing beats sliding doors on minivans
Yeah you're the only one out of the 7 billion people alive
I sat in the backseat of a Stelvio and it was comfy enough. I am 6'2"/188cm. I would still buy Giulia over Stelvio, and I think the reason they made the Stelvio instead of a estate version of the Giulia, which would look terrific, is to address the SUV/North American market
It's the SUV that doesn't suck to drive because its based on a sports saloon, but jacked up a bit.
Of course its not the most practical SUV, but then who ever bought an Alfa Romeo for practical reasons? All the compliments about how it drives are a testament to how good the basic Giulia platform is, despite this being taller and heavier.
there was a meme or a quote once that went something like , if they won't buy hatchbacks or wagons , we will lift them 20cm and call them SUVs , it was from the perspective of a European marketing team directing there ads at Americans. i think it may be an Old Top gear quote from Clarkson.
and it was well before the cross over scene exploded , and he nailed it.
This handles way better than those two other american SUVs. Speed. Utility. Handling.... pick two, it seems.
You make some valid points Jason ... But none of the other SUV's you mentioned are near as "Sexy" ... as the Stelvio Quadrifogilo...
It looks cool, Jason. That is why you buy it.
Still, I absolutely want one
Yes, I agree with what you said.
I think I understand why this Alfa Romeo suv.
I live in Toronto Canada. Due to the winter conditions, the road surface is just rubbish. I like cars like M3, C63, and the Giulia. But they are just not good for car that I will be driving for all season. And suv like dodge, Jeep, Mercedes are just too heavy or too expensive or too boring. So I think this Alfa is a great little crossover that makes sense.
Our 2012 MDX is fun to drive, and has great acceleration.
One of the reasons a tall person would buy an SUV over a sedan / normal height car is because they are much easier to get in and out of if you’re tall. Also if you use it to visit many different places / people’s houses, you don’t have the problem with hitting the bottoms of the doors on rocks, walls etc etc when you open them.
Apparently you haven’t been on a Nimitz class carrier. Those big girls can dance.
I drove one, and it's insane, the Stelvio feels just like a normal sport sedan...but it's a bloody SUV
And you don't need the QV, just the rear wheel drive 280 hp petrol (Gasoline) Stelvio is more than enough!
Nobody needs a 100k car. You want it. And with desires 500hp isn't near enough
280 hp petrol? the Nissan?
With a 3000 pound tow rating I'm not sure if it should really be called an SUV, my wife's Odessey has a higher rating.
Jay Dunbar it’s a crossover not a SUV but crossovers have been mislabeled as SUVs for a while
@@slkalmuhairi petrol is another word for gasoline. So what he meant was the gas engine rated at 280hp
I would venture a guess that 90% of the people buying SUVs are buying it because they want something big and tall. Most people in the USA seem to believe bigger is better. Alpha just made a fun SUV for those people.
I always thought that the best Alfa Romeo was one that you didn't own (or at least, one you only intended to look at).
For the most part, they can't break if they aren't moving.
Alfa knows how to name their cars
If I had money to blow I’d definitely get one of the new Alphas beautiful cars and loads of power.
Yeah, they do work as sportscars. There is no denying that fact. That's why BMW X5M worked, that's why Porsche Cayenne worked and single handedly saved Porsche from going down as a company, that's why Acura MDX and RDX work (although they are not even up to par with above mentioned power wise), that's why Lamborghini is releasing their SUV, etc, etc, etc. You can deny it all the way you want, but the fact will remain the fact.
I test drove it in Spring of 2018 and did not like it. Performance was good but the rear end was moving a lot in s-corners and the chassis got quite some lean angle. The interior (fake, light wood paneling) looked cheap. I also wanted to test the Giulia QV but they only had one car and it was in high demand.
All three models are from FCA. Biggest winner.
Jason you say this is the most fun SUV to drive in the $80k price range, have you driven the Porsche Macan S or turbo? If not I highly recommend making that your next video! That said I love the Stelvio and it looks amazing to drive. Just those Alfa quality issues to deal with and at that price point, better German options.
The Macan is an older platform and has lost in more than one direct comparison in terms of chassis. Also they don’t produce a version that has the same power and torque so there you go
Thank you for finally discussing some Italian engineering! :^) Any chance you can focus on the FIRE or Multiair engine technologies in one of your upcoming videos? All the best, and thanks for all the great content!
Great video! Please do a review on the Giulia as well!
one reason you'd buy this SUV is that its AWD, unlike the Giulia Quadrifiglio which is only RWD
I hope Jeep will build the next Cherokee on this plateform.
It's a CUV. That might seem like tomato-tomoto to some folks, but the difference is important: blend a car (unibody) with a SUV (traditionally a body-on-frame vehicle), and you end up with the spectrum of vehicles in between which gives you pretty much what you expect -- less utilitarian than a large SUV but more economical and fun to drive, yet more utilitarian than a car without giving up AS MUCH performance and fuel economy. Thus, it makes sense to me why the market has moved away from cars and more towards CUV's, where we have all this room in the U.S. to go about our business and travels.
As for the Stelvio... while it doesn't come close to utility like Durango, Grand Cherokee, etc., basically you get much of the performance feel of the Guilia (or rather, sports cars in general) with more space to put your s**t. It's hard to argue the logic, right?? Those that are purist enthusiasts, sure, looks and performance metrics don't cut it. That's cool, and what's better is that we've never had such a broad range of automobiles as now... wait for it... all thanks to ENGINEERS. :D :D :D
If I want a practical fast car I’d get an RS6 Avant.
The only reason I’d get an SUV is either because it looks fantastic (Alfa Stelvio) and/or I need 7 seats (XC90)
3000lb towing is the regular Stelvio. The quad is rated to 5000 lbs in Europe
It’s why I still have my 350z crossover aka FX35
For sure! My fav performance SUV I have driven.
Crossover not SUV
@@AE86FTS so I go back and forth on this. Then again all SUV means is sport activity video. although def agree allmost all early ones before the x5 and RX were truck based.
@@DFWsCars More like sport utility vehicle..
@@DFWsCars An SUV needs to be a body on frame vehicle that has 4x4 rather than AWD
Tell about VW 20V engine with 5 valves per cylinder. What are pros and cons. What it's done for?
Try an X5 M. Feels like a massive go-cart with an equally massive engine.
I found the X5M drivetrain quite harsh. It is go-kartesque, I would agree, but I didn't think it was great to drive. Bouncy like driving a manual, but it's auto.
We need wild SUVs like this, it makes them all better
Not really. I'm a big Alfa fan, i have one myself but I'll never like suvs. When they announced the stelvio it actually made me sad.
I think that the Stelvio is better understood as a hot-hatchback version of the Giulia, rather than as an SUV.
It's exactly what it is. I would have preferred a Giulia SportWagon, but Stelvio is not a bad product in current market.
The Stelvio is intended to go against the Macan, the GLE and GLC Coupe, and maybe the RR Sport in a pinch. The Jeep and Durango are in an entirely different market segment. The Stelvio is in the Coupe SUV segment. No Macan or GLE/GLC buyer would ever look at a full SUV like the Durango SRT.
I would say that Volvo Xc60 T6
R design isnt to bad and it's possibly one of the most fun SUVs to drive, make a video about it
I think the Stelvio was meant to compete against the X5M, X6M, GLE and such. I mean, Stelvio doesn't even look like a big, beefy suv. Its more of a sports sedan, just with a raised ride height and a bit more practicality.
X5M is a six figure car though.
I don’t think there is a lot of cross shopping between people looking at a Stelvio and the Jeep and Dodge crowd.
The Alfa is a ‘driver’s machine’, the others you are comparing it to are appliances. I think a better comparison would
be against the BMW/Benz/Porsche/Jaguar offerings.
My point was simply that the buyer would have more fun, and for less money, with the Giulia, and not lose much of the "practicality" of the larger vehicle.
Dual calipers on the rear rotor? Parking brake?
3.6 sec 0-60?! That's smokin fast! Even for a "regular" sportcar. Like, the renault Alpine A110(2018 version) has 250hp, 1100 kg and it takes 4,5sec. With a double-clutch and pilot sport 4 tires. And you don't have a goddamn glovebox
Hi, can i neutral my car at high speed and release clutch? What happen if i do this?
Maybe if we think of it as an Xtra large, Xtra fast hot-hatch it makes more sense?
Fantastic highway machine while still really functional.
In my country, cars like this are preferred because sedans or smaller cars in general suffer with the horribly made roads. This small SUVs are the perfect point between a small car and a real SUV