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German/Saxon Paganism and Traditions with Robert Sass
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ส.ค. 2024
- Full interview and Roberts channel below
Germanic paganism or Germanic religion refers to the traditional, culturally significant religion of the Germanic peoples.
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With a chronological range of at least one thousand years in an area covering Scandinavia, the British Isles, modern Germany, and at times other parts of Europe, the beliefs and practices of Germanic paganism varied. Scholars typically assume some degree of continuity between Roman-era beliefs and those found in Norse paganism, as well as between Germanic religion and reconstructed Indo-European religion and post-conversion folklore, though the precise degree and details of this continuity are subjects of debate.
A huge difference you see in Continental German traditions which Robert completely ignored was the Rough Nights worship - or entirely the whole mythology surrounding Perchta/ Berchta/ Holle/ Hulda, depending on whether you are in the Alps or the lowland regions. None of this is mentioned in Scandinavian practices, and it is a central part of regional Germanic belief systems.
Do you know a good source to read about such practices?
A very interesting discussion. I always thought that Germanic and Norse religions/rituals were very similar. This is a really collaboration and I look forward to learning more.
I remember when Mr Sass posted about that Fränggisch, Sachenisch belt buckle. I went and got it as a tattoo. Glad tgat I did.
I wasn't familiar with Mr. Sass's work until now. Note that he says he posts mainly on the holidays and blots: Paganism is an experiential religion, not generally concerned with fine points of theology. Thanks for providing this, and hope you do more.
In South Africa Afrikaans peaple often say Upsalla when a child falls over or you make a mistake.
What a wonderful collaboration !
even the camera quality is proto Germanic ;)
Cool music! Enjoyed this and now going to watch the "Skaldic Archive" to get the rest of it.
Thank you all for the video 👍🏻
Ooh I like that new beat in the beginning. Love that type of music when I work out. Time my feet to the beat and I can go forever
there are sources describing holy groves where you're not allowed to walk freely but only bound, if you fall you have to get out on your own. one of the most famous mentioned groves is that of the Semnones that are basically part of the larger Multitribe called Suebi.
Also in the old writing of the Franks there is pretty well described that before crossing a river you sacrifice slaves and horses in that river so that you can cross it save. This was written well after switching to calothicism...but they kept a few rites in their writings.
I might've missed it, but I think so far I haven't seen anything about the blood toll. I've read about it in several occasions in the books of Thule & think it's worth mentioning..
Awesome, would love to know more about the sacred gatherings and your interpretations similar to the Indiculus superstitionum et paganiarum.
Moreover, how these Swedish Moon (cycles) names so we could look them up or research more ;)
A great video with interesting content. I would like to know Rituals and maybe details about pagan and Viking weddings? What differences and similarities do they have? You maybe ask yourself why I ask? It is due to my own wedding next year and make an accurate as well proper ceremony.
Love all your video's..my wife and I watch everyday. Just wondering what ur thoughts are on Bjorn Ironside as a king of Sweden. We are both Swedish and Norwegian and we love the history. Maybe if ur up to it would love to see a video on Bjorn as a king. Do you think he was good or a not so good king. Just wondering your thoughts on him. Much respect !
I live in northern saxony in the countryside, on the map right at the small river in the north of Verden.The forests are sacred in my opinion, I feel the Power of our ancestors and Power of nature if I wonder through the woods when nature explodes in late April 😅
I have some questions actually a lot and a few are going to do with something odd I have been experiencing. I have been trying research my family history Montgomery and Ivar the Boneless is mother
What do you think about the idea that Ragnarok is linked to asteroid impacts resulting in ice ages.
when I was a teenager, our favorite gathering place was always the forest, getting drunk of course. beats a bar any day
I’d like to learn more of how heathenry was done by the Norse in what’s now scotland
Our ancestors decided how and when too venerate the gods.
We have lost the how and when to time and destruction by the christians.
I do not think the God's care too much how we worship them just the fact that we do worship them.
Any way any how.
Have our blots, bring folks back to the God's .
say their name out loud, sing, SHOUT!!!!
The Christians are your ancestors too
The real way to find out about stuff is to ask a shaman to contact the ancestor spirits. Or do it yourself. Pagans believed that they were tied directly to their ancestors, and could contact them out to ask for advice by inducing altered states of consciousness through various rituals and/or intense meditation.
Thats peace sign means Victory till this day, last time in 90tis when we whent to war all ppl would lift theyr hand with as victory
How old is this religion?
My last name is "Hunt" and I was told that the name was derived from my forefathers' vocation during Medieval Times...such that my ancestors were the royal hunters on the Lord's manor in merry old England. I am half English on my father's side and a quarter English/quarter German (N. Germany near Hamburg) on my mother's side. Question: did I descend from the Saxons and did my ancestors get their name from being a royal hunter, or clan hunter, or independent hunter?
Last name’s that signify a profession really mostly started around the napoleonic times. Before then mostly royalty or important figures would have had a last name. So this means its hard to say what your ancestors did in the middle ages or even further back in the dark ages…
@@stef.w4180 well, i read somewhere what i said so maybe my source was in error.
@@bobbylee9727 perhaps, most surnames refer to either a place or a profession so probably some of your ancestors were hunters
@@stef.w4180 Hunt, Hunter, Huntington, etc.were the name given to those who killed the animals for food in the community, royal domain, etc.
The real pagan way to find out about paganism is to have a shaman contact the ancestor spirits and ask for details.
An intriguing topic
My ancestors are from North Rhein Westfalen. Would they have been associated with this stuff?
Yes.
Most likely yes but with some minor cultural variations and differences. At that time the large rivers functioned as physical borderlines. The Rhine river was such a river, above North of the Rihne was a Germanic territory below south of the Rihne was a Celtic territory. North Rhein Westfalen, The Netherlands and Belgium Limburg are below the Rihne and inhabited by the Eburoni tribes. They are historically considered at the crossroads, a Celtic/Germanic culture containing and practising cultural aspects and beliefs from both sides. Thus sharing and trading with the cultures on the other side of the river.
The Romans almost eradicated mainland Europe's Celtic cultures, we don't know that much about them. The Romans weren't that much active above the Rhine that's why we know more about these cultures. But the Romans considered and described the Eburoni tribes as more Germanic than the Celtic.
Later in medieval times and nowadays the areas are fictionally divided as Language/dialect continuums. Above the Rhine is the west Germanic Saxon dialect continuum and below the Rhine is the west Germanic Frankish dialect continuum. You could for example listen to Kölsch Platt (Riparian Frankish - Nieder Rihne) and Hamburgish Platt (Nieder Saksisch). Both dialects despite their differences and similarities are rooted in the Nieder Deutsch language family. I as a Dutch Limburger can go to Germani Cologne and make conversations in my regional dialect without any problems because we both speak the Riparian Frankish dialect. And I also do understand Nieder Saksich dialects without many problems. We once were, before today's official borders and language standardization, one happy Nieder Thiuda (Duytsch) family in the 'Neder Lants' trading and sharing. 🙂 From Luxemburg to cologne to Hamburg to the west coast were all considered Nieder Lands and the people spoke and some still speak the Nieder Deutsch Dialects. As matter a of fact, Dutch comes from (Duytsch/Deutsch) NederDuytsch became Nederlands and is nowadays divided into Frankisch Dutch and Saksisch Dutch dialects.
Your ancestors are from all over Europe, actually every person that lived in the 7-8th century in Europe is your ancestor. Just pick a European culture if you base it on ancestry.
@@DunkelblauerMB While the dialect in Cologne is more similar to Limburgish than Standard German is to Limburgish (provided you aren’t from Kerkrade) I wouldn’t say that you can talk to people without any problems, there are definitely differences. Like sure you can ask for directions but you can’t have deep debates about religion. Also there are linguistically Frankish regions above the Rhine, most notably Holland
@@sebe2255 That is correct modern Standard Dutch language is actually a Nederfrankisch (Hollands) dialect proclaimed to become standard Dutch. It indeed originates from a region north across the Rhine, not much but it indeed is. So everybody who speaks proper standard Dutch still speaks in a dialect. So what is a dialect and what is not is quite a grey area. Of course, there are differences, hence there are also some major differences in dialects from villages a few miles apart. Hence if you travel to the other side of the country there only will be more differences. And my point was not to make deep and difficult conversations containing terms most dialects don't have the words for. Just daily chit-chat and get your bread at the Bakker. The way people traded in ancient times was as well simple.
The Low Saxon and Low Frankish dialects speakers still have relatively mutual intelligibility. For example, the Low Saxon Hamburgish Platt leans more towards Frankish Dutch than it does towards High German.
I'll go rhythm
a Norse berserker and a Roman scholar walk into a bar
Sassenach : Scottish word for anyone from English descent, or non Scots in general.
Every Pagan should be forced to watch this , TH-cam this ( What if Christianity was Rome's Woke Movement? ) It explains from a Pagan view how Rome was taken over/Down , much like the Modern West .
Yes! Ive been realizing that Christianity is the "cancel culture".
Lowest common denominator everyone-gets-a-trophy culture.
Atheism and Liberalism are indeed dissolving every single valuable thing we’ve built; needless to say about certain jusnaturalistic approaches to law...Now we just have an irrational kelsenian positivism dominating every single field of jurisprudence…; hence the destruction of functionalist approaches to Law 😂.That’s why we, Christians and pagans, have to ask ourselves about the true essence, the true lifeblood, so to speak, of the Christian Cross. And in order that we might obtain a precise analytic understanding of the real significance of the Cross, we have to know before everything else that its symbolic quidditas is totally permeated by the spirit of a very particular onto-psychological experience; that of kenosis. Technically speaking, however, the experience of kenosis represents that exceptional state of "noetic subtleness" consisting in nothing but in the “nullification”, i.e., “crucifixion”, of the ego-substance. It is worthy to remark, however, that this ego-substance is but a conceptual illusion, a phantasmagoria, since the supposedly self-subsistent quality of the subject is, undoubtedly, nothing but an “essence-less” product of linguistic and semantic reification. A bogus entity. The theological or dogmatic discrepancies concerning the meaning and nature of kenosis are completely irrelevant, for this question of mine concerns itself only with the philosophical and metaphysical aspects of it…We Christian should unite against the destruction of Christendom; instead of fighting among each other, we should prepare and get ready to go to war 😂. There exists within Christianity a very toxic and pernicious tendency; that of sectarianism. The act itself of trying to reduce the content of Scripture to a rather literalistic pseudocatechism is, at the very least, an extremely dangerous and irrational practice; a practice that encourages myriads upon myriads of mentally unstable human beings to believe things that simply are not. The religious mob blindly follows this unfortunate pattern of behavior; although it is quite clear that this pharisaical attitude towards religious experience has nothing to do at all with that of the Christ. He himself was an extremely refined and delicate poet; and as such he invited us to unravel his message by virtue of the semantics of poetry and mysticism. Thus, when we think about the “whatness” of the Cross, i.e., its symbolic quidditas, we must think of it as follows, namely: as something eternally symbolizing our Lord Jesus Christ emptying himself out of his own self and progressively returning to that universal fluidity of intricate, interdependent and overlapping units or concretions of existence that manifest themselves in the form of an ever changing network of ontological plurality; that is to say, we must think of it in terms of a "divine immersion" of a fully operating entity -specifically a human entity- into spiritual or mystical “forlornness”. This phenomenon has been traditionally known as the noetic apprehension of the coincidentia oppositorum. Quevedo used to refer to the same phenomenon in a rather poetic way: Only the Tiber has remained, whose flow, if once a city watered, now, a grave, it mourns for her with brokenhearted tones. Oh Rome! of all your greatness, your allure, that which was firm has fled, and nothing but what is elusive stays and will endure. Jesus is the “son of God” not by a mere coincidence, but because he threw away the shackles of his own ego-substance and became nothing (nihil) and everything (totum) at the same time (nihil-totum-simul) ...; thus, he remained, so to speak, within the “boundaries of the Tiber”. That is the main reason why he is “divine”. He achieved the unachievable…The last point will be made clear by an examination of the definition which Paul himself gives of the experience of kenosis: “but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross”.
Just watched it. I totally agree! Vital.
@@EpekeinaontosYou must be joking. Your religion has destroyed so much and you act like you're the victim. Ha. Get real.
Ah, a man of culture, I see
I'm a Saxon Christian (My name on TH-cam means the White Wolf in Low Saxon after my fylgja.) My family originally comes from Hamburg, a city built by the Franks to enforce conversion on us even more. I find it interesting that Karl der Große, as we call Charlemagne in German, outlawed our worship around trees and springs. But ironically I've always felt a stronger connection to my God and the spirits while walking through the woods and singing by springs and rivers. Whenever I go to Church, it feels much less personal and that feeling can even diminish sometimes.
It makes me sad seeing how much of our ancestral religion was destroyed by Catholics. Every time I talk to them, they always go on about how great Karl was and that he allowed my people to choose God. But I remember Verden. Did they have a choice? To quote Redbad, I'd rather be in Hell with my family than Heaven with my enemies. I thoroughly doubt Karl would be in Heaven as he didn't convert people to God. He just slaughtered and murdered until we would either convert or be wiped off of earth. I choose to worship God, but I remember my ancestors and honor their beliefs
Why would you want to worship a God that was forced upon us instead of truly honouring our ancestors the right way, with their Gods and traditions? Honestly curious, seeing as doing it your way sets you up for their Hell. You can cherry pick the religion all you want, doesn't change the outcome of your destination.
@@ThatGuiKyle Is worshipping the old gods not then dishonouring those who converted and worshipped the Christian God? People will worship as they wish, the best way to honour your ancestors is to continue the line and pass the torch.
@@windradyne8724 they were forced to convert, sure some willingly did, but only after seeing their people slaughtered for not doing so. I agree people will worship how they wish, but at least make it make sense. If you're christian, then hold to their religious ways, cherry picking and adding in blasphemous ways (in their eyes) will only do harm in the way their religion is set up. Holding to the old Gods, would be more honourable than continuing what was forced on our people with the threat of death and damnation, continuing to support an institution that slaughtered our people and destroyed our traditions.
@@ThatGuiKyle The forced conversion is irrelevant to those who were raised in the new religion and took to it with earnest fervour. All Christians descend from pagans.
I agree that religious practice should make sense, but there is nothing against Christian custom in the original post. The concept of the virtuous pagan does exist. I personally like Tolkien's view of old legend, that pagan mythology can be purified and used to glorify God by emphasising the virtues contained within that are compatible. As human beings do by nature embody and uphold these virtues regardless of religion, is reason enough to honour ancestors and their beliefs. Since even though they were pagan, there is good in them and their beliefs, and that is godly too.
Now obviously if you converted to an old religion that's another story.
@@ThatGuiKyle My God was forced on my ancestors, not me. You need to understand the difference between pagans who were forced, pagans who chose, and people like me who never grew up in Paganism. If I were pagan in the 800s, I'd die for what I believed in. It's the same for me now and I will never be Pagan, but I understand that there are many good things in this religion that must be preserved and remembered and I live by these things, even if it's as simple as worshipping my God in the woods and writing stories in German with the Elder Futhark. I take the good from this and bring it to my God. It seems like you're pissed about me bringing things from Paganism to Christianity. But in reality, all religions have been influenced by someone or something else. And sometimes you don't have enough of your religion remaining so you have to find other ways to worship or celebrate, like the Sígrblót for example. Much of Christian symbols and meanings are of Pagan origin, but we've purified them so we can honor our past and our God together. It's no different for me
"Sass" coming from "Saxon" ??
Don't be SASSY !! 😉😂🤣😅😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
I think if you took out the names and locations that you would find 95% of the stories sound the same which would probably mean they all have a common source!!!!!!
Wow!...I just love how the video cuts him off in mid word 🤦♂️ maybe at least let him finish the sentence, before cutting to the end message to watch the entire interview etc...do better, please!
Robert rejects being a German and fully grappling with everything about German history.
He looks caeltic
AYE , THE 1966 WORLD CUP FINAL SHOULD BE REPLAYED .
Norse magic the cadence and was you speak is way more interesting than your guest. He’s very knowledgeable but the way you convey info is much more talented and captivating
Also if you made a guide on how to do some of the rituals and their meaning. I’d buy it and follow it