@CommonRaven Agilent pump 10's of percent into R&D to develop leading edge ASIC's and scopes like this, that has to be bought and paid for. It's not just about the component cost. If you are "just a hobbyist" then a $400 Rigol might be much better bang-per-buck for you. But remember, you have to compare apples to apples, the Agilent is 50-100 times the performance speed of the Rigol for 3 times the price. That's a bargain. But of course if you cant afford $1200 then the Rigol is bargain too.
@EEVblog There is small info on Agilent's web site about their webcast scheduled for 1st of March, I don't know if it is a new product or just new technology anounncement, but it still explains wavegen issue..
excellent video and review. Wow these boards are massive. Lots of stuff on them, and 8 layers, wooh! We'll do 4 to 6 layers at work. Wonder how long it took to lay these boards out?
@CommonRaven It's a combination of name brand mark up, and engineering. Parts themselves may come off cheap, but that doesn't include the engineering work. The ASICs, FPGA and any other processor requires programming and engineers to develop. Board work, molding of the chasis, any metal work, all the little bits do add up. They don't make bazillions of them, they probably estimated a quantity that might be sold in a year, added some overhead, and manufacture so many per quarter.
What's the funny sheen in the upper left hand side of the board at 12:05 in the video? Leftover flux? Magic smoke residue? Between and to the left of the two inductors.
On the 1st march Agilent will roll out their new "revolutionary" arbitrary waveform generator. This explains why they cripled wavegen in DSO 2xxx and 3xxx series.
About this big tantalum. In one of my designs I used a Maxim DC-DC IC. It has superbly small quescent current and is massively available in our stores, cheap, suitable for the design just well etc. But it actually needs definite amount of ESR for loop stability)) And tantalums are just the best in this regard. But I decided to use ceramic and get away with PCB resistor (just a trace of known length, about 15 mm). Will see if it works... )) Seriously, I see no reason for it won't.
Hi my name is Alex, Ifron in brazil, I haven't been using my oscilloscope for a long period of time (over year). When I tried to run it again it hangs during boot with black screen. Only two LEDs - Math and Ref are on and the oscilloscope doesn't response to any buttons. Do you know what happens? How can I resolve this issue?
Crack the frontends open. If they're equal I would not be surprised, since I've witnessed 500MHz agilent products be "software upgradeable" to 1GHz and above.
Great teardown - gotta love the high-speed screwdriver assault.
Hey Dave, another great review... Glad you've put the clock on the size, you do listen to your viewers! :-) KEEP them cominggggg
@hoppes9 12K$ is fully optioned up with all sorts of software options. The base unit is under $3K
@linagee Yes, that's quite common. When you have automated pick'n'place and visual inspection machines, the designators become a bit redundant.
@unlokia You are confusing the 3000 series with the cheaper 2000 series. I did not take this one apart.
@CommonRaven Agilent pump 10's of percent into R&D to develop leading edge ASIC's and scopes like this, that has to be bought and paid for. It's not just about the component cost. If you are "just a hobbyist" then a $400 Rigol might be much better bang-per-buck for you. But remember, you have to compare apples to apples, the Agilent is 50-100 times the performance speed of the Rigol for 3 times the price. That's a bargain. But of course if you cant afford $1200 then the Rigol is bargain too.
@Bushougoma Why would you buy a new scope if the battery ran out?
@EEVblog There is small info on Agilent's web site about their webcast scheduled for 1st of March, I don't know if it is a new product or just new technology anounncement, but it still explains wavegen issue..
@MrTranxistor What "static"? It probably hasn't processed yet. Wait.
as for the routed out space on the 2000 series they may be using that space for another small board like a display backlight inverter
Those tilted contacts was the first I saw and man that is what you expect from top manufacturers.
@Nermash Were is this mentioned?
At least the smoke went back in.
excellent video and review.
Wow these boards are massive. Lots of stuff on them, and 8 layers, wooh! We'll do 4 to 6 layers at work. Wonder how long it took to lay these boards out?
@EEVblog your absolutley right, i checked it again and no static.
@GTXAbunada It's 4GS/s. Did I goof it and say 4MS/s??
@CommonRaven
It's a combination of name brand mark up, and engineering. Parts themselves may come off cheap, but that doesn't include the engineering work. The ASICs, FPGA and any other processor requires programming and engineers to develop. Board work, molding of the chasis, any metal work, all the little bits do add up. They don't make bazillions of them, they probably estimated a quantity that might be sold in a year, added some overhead, and manufacture so many per quarter.
What's the funny sheen in the upper left hand side of the board at 12:05 in the video? Leftover flux? Magic smoke residue? Between and to the left of the two inductors.
@yanava This one is software upgradable from 100MHz to 500MHz.
On the 1st march Agilent will roll out their new "revolutionary" arbitrary waveform generator. This explains why they cripled wavegen in DSO 2xxx and 3xxx series.
Dave what about those 2 chips above the ASICS on the 3000x series. I can't find them on the 2000x series. What are they?
Its a scaled down version of the Gruntmaster 9000 of course.
@Bushougoma You'll get no argument from me. I would have preferred to see a holder too.
@ronaldlijs I did indeed listen!
About this big tantalum. In one of my designs I used a Maxim DC-DC IC. It has superbly small quescent current and is massively available in our stores, cheap, suitable for the design just well etc. But it actually needs definite amount of ESR for loop stability)) And tantalums are just the best in this regard. But I decided to use ceramic and get away with PCB resistor (just a trace of known length, about 15 mm). Will see if it works... )) Seriously, I see no reason for it won't.
Same scope, teardown after the pop. No, I didn't find anything obvious.
@CommonRaven
My thoughts exactly. Even second hand scopes still cost a lot of money.
Dave. you took it appart after the pop or before ?. ... or this vid is related to another oscope ?. Thanks
I bet those black "heavy duty" ceramic caps on the ASIC are chokes...???
Hi my name is Alex, Ifron in brazil, I haven't been using my oscilloscope for a long period of time (over year). When I tried to run it again it hangs during boot with black screen. Only two LEDs - Math and Ref are on and the oscilloscope doesn't response to any buttons. Do you know what happens? How can I resolve this issue?
@Psychlist1972 It's the fried one.
One big difference between 2000 and 3000 series is, there is no magic smoke in 2000 :)
It's like expensive software: the companies that really do need such good equipment have the resources to pay for it.
why so much static? using a lower quality camera?
@Nermash Ah, Bingo!
Nice tool. But at $12K I think I'll stick with my old reliable TDS 380...
12K? For an extra 6 grand you can start thinking RTO from rohde & schwarz . And that is like 100 times better.
Crack the frontends open. If they're equal I would not be surprised, since I've witnessed 500MHz agilent products be "software upgradeable" to 1GHz and above.