Perfect timing for this video. I was chatting with Toroline for an hour yesterday about the mini reels of Wasabi/Wasabi X that I bought recently, and tbh, was pretty disappointed... But, I believe some of that is on me. I strung up my (funny enough) Head MP's (Sinner molds that you have in the video) with the hybrid at 36lbs and even at that tension, found it to be VERY muted feeling with less power and launch angle than I'm used to. I think my mistake was buying the Wasabi as my main as it doesn't suit my strokes which are hard and heavy with tons of topspin which is asking too much from a square main like Wasabi. Toroline suggested I go full bed of Toro Toro (which they gave me as a free sample pack with my order) BUT! As you stated here in this vid, a full bed of shaped strings really doesn't make that much sense and will just lead to string breakage earlier; especially for string breakers like us. My question(s) are... Would you suggest my next hybriding be the Toro Toro (main) with Wasabi X (cross) for maximizing power, spin? (I do also have a reel of ReString Zero, so maybe that as a main and Wasabi X in the crosses?) I'm also wondering if you tried Toroloine's "Absolute." It's their softest (which I know is not really your thing) but curious if you experimented with them; potentially a full bed or with Wasabi X, etc. Absolute appears to be the best option for power and spin in their line-up. Thanks, Justin... IMHO, you're my go-to-guy when it comes to ReString and Toroline strings analysis and experimentation! P.S. - I tried buying you a coffee but my McAfee anti-virus flagged the link. Any of your other subs come across this? I'll send you a coffee donation via PayPal 👊
I totally agree with going toro toro full bed or sth smilar which not so aggressively shaped, you definitely need some shape not necessarily for spin but for the launch angle for the spinny shots. Having a round cross is bit of a hand brake in most cases I have tried. You can be just fine with full bed of lynx tour which smilar to toro toro. That racket is really stiff otherwise you could give zero a shot in full bed but you probably shouldn't.
Hello! I think ENSO crosses really boost the power. I haven't messed with Absolute much because it's not that spin friendly. It is primarily designed for comfort as a poly but honestly I bet Sync comes really close, especially in 18g (from ReString) but ENSO and Wasabi X are decently soft as well. Toro Toro surely up there, it's softer, I break it much sooner though. If Wasabi wasn't your feel and Toro Toro you're turning to for power or something, the ReString Zero shape is the same so it should be extremely similar in terms of ball bite but Zero is more crips and I wonder if it is more powerful...it is somewhat powerful. I love the Zero/Wasabi X combo so much. Still a top hybrid for me but I'm testing Sync in the crosses a lot right now just so I get dialed in with how they are different. LMK what you do! Sorry the McAfee wasn't letting you get me coffee lol. Paypal is more than cool as well and I'll shout you out anyway!
@@ZeroLoveTennis Thanks for the reply, Justin... It's "highly" appreciated. Especially because I'm not a stringer (yet) and it saves me time and money getting your opinion from all of your hours of hitting experience and experimentation from a hitter similar to your self. I will try Zero/Wasabi X and Toro Toro/Wasabi X next and will report back. I was previously using Gamma Jet 17g (main) and a round similar to Wasabi X (cross) before, so I'm guessing that was WAY too much of a jump giving me a completely different result.
Haha interesting. Jet I only used at first when it came with the stringer I got as my initial one. I probably botched that job but I'm a decent stringer these days. It's great to be able to string for yourself! Saves money but also you don't end up without a racquet until the shop finishes and you pick up. And your jobs are always your jobs so results are consistent and adjustable.
@@ZeroLoveTennis (Stringer) Well, you could say I'm pretty fortunate. I'm friends with my stringer. He gets his strings "direct" from the factories where the major companies produce theirs, so his prices are significantly cheaper, allowing him to undercut his competiton and giving his customers a great price. I get a new strung racquet up for $20 CAD and they go up from there. (Gamma Jet) Personally, I haven't found a string that has matched its spin without sacrificing power... (that's my journey these days, any suggestions are always appreciated) I heard yTex Quadro Twist was up there, but still 2nd to Jet.
For gauges and snapback, I think it could be because of pressure. As the thinner the strings, the less the surface area, there would be more load on each string. I dunno, I'm not an expert, just a theory
Could be that as well although I think the angle of the strings keeping one another in place is a big deal. Similar to what you say, the steeper the angles, the more the pressure is diverted to moving towards center and not just sitting on top of the string with which it is woven.
thin gauge means less resistance to force of the plastic material. This means it will stretch and give more, meaning the plastic will snap back harder at first until the strings are stretched permanently and lose more tension per hit
Enjoy the string content, I have a vcore 98 2023 which I have been stringing with a full bed of restring zero at 48lbs, eager to try sync and wasabi x in the crosses. I was just wandering what your thoughts are on the tensions I should try sync firstly and then wasabi x in the crosses paired with zero in the mains at 48lbs, cheers in advance
That's awesome! I think you can do Wasabi X at same tension or 2lbs higher. Sync I think same tension is ok because it's slightly thicker. Shouldn't need to do anything dramatic for tension shifts going from Zero full bed to one of these in the crosses! Lmk how it goes.
Your hypothesis on snapback potentially increasing with thicker gauge strings is compelling. Great explanation, makes a lot of sense. I also read that Sinner by happenstance moved to a 1.30 from a 1.25 and preferred the playability which goes against what most tennis enthusiasts have typically believed.
Thanks! It is the only one which makes sense to me and I think the increased angles would greatly outweigh any minor, if any, increase in surface area related friction. Kind of like a car that might have slightly better bearings but would still coast slower down a hill if the angle was notably less steep, right? Tried the same setup in 17g all around on my dunlop and the snapback is definitely better.
@@ZeroLoveTennis If true, then it also changes my thinking around string pattern density. A denser 18x20 pattern with tighter spacing will also increase the steepness between the peaks and valley's potentially improving snap back even more. It's strange to think that a denser string pattern with thicker gauge string may in fact improve snapback aggressiveness thereby improving spin consistency. I always wondered why many top pros are using 18x20 patterns in todays heavy spin game, but this could be why it works for them. Very interesting topic and I will be doing more experimentation based on this newfound thinking.
Good point! But there would also be a threshold where the returns are diminishing on that metric alone because there wouldn't be enough open space between strings to bite the ball. So I think increasing that peak/valley angle but keeping it open is the optimal way to go but in a denser pattern, thin might help more than thick.
@@ZeroLoveTennis using the gift/curse of AI, this would be a hypothetical formula if there were known measurements for all the variables. It would be quite cool if mathematics grad came up with a proven formula and a way to test. I know I'm nerd-ing out. F be the friction of the string (Coatings) B be the bite of the string (Shape) W be the width of the string (Gauge) D be the density of the string pattern (Pattern) Then, a simplified formula for spin potential (S) would be something like this: k⋅(F⋅B)⋅ D/W
Any chance they start manufacturing a 15 gauge Zero or Sync string, the additional longevity combined with the better directional control and the great snapback, would be amazing!
@@ZeroLoveTennis I always use 15 or 15L natural gut for the increased longevity, I know most pros use 16 or 17 gauge gut for the increased feel and spin but I can't afford to re-string that often, unfortunately!
Good question! I know what it's like to have these numbers get in your head a little bit haha. I tend to want the same or smaller size on the crosses. So I might do 16g zero mains with 17g sync or 17g mains with 18g sync. But I have done 17/17 and been happy without thinking too much of it. Surprisingly, I've had really good feel with 16g Zero and Sync at 17 or 18g but that could be just me. Right now using Zero 16g with Enso crosses, gray 1.25. Feel is very good but the ProKennex I'm using might just have good feel no matter what, hard to say! Let me know what you do.
So hyped for Sync!! Also quick question, I've been playing wasabi/wasabix on my PA98 feels good but launch angle is higher than expected... do you think a switch to toro toro/wasabix would be bring the launch angle down a bit? Also wondering how you feel about Zero/Sync on the PA98. Thanks so much, I owe my discovery of Toroline and Restring to you!
Hello! Wasabi I tend to string a little higher. Sometimes I forget how launchy it can be at the same tensions I might do Zero, especially in a spinny racket like that haha. Toro Toro...maybe? I forget how it compares in power level. Toro Toro I have struggled to get to know super well because I break it in less than half the time that Wasabi or Zero lasts me, actually. Despite it's snapback being just about as good haha. It's quite a bit softer, I think. Zero/Sync is amazing. If you haven't tried Zero/WasX too, I'd see about both. I'm torn between two racquets right now but about to try Zero/Sync in the SX300 in 17g for the first time. That'll tell me more officially how the snapback really compares vs Wasabi X. Cheers! Glad to spread the word of Toroline and ReString! Lmk what you end up doing/discovering
@time410s I have tried zero/wasx, I love it on my SHIFT 99... wasn't a fan of full bed zero on the Aeros, felt too muted on muted. But I'm hoping the aeros will feel better with zero/sync!
You might have something with the zit zag, but on top of that friction is not necessary only related to contact area, but also the amount of pressure that area has. A bigger surface with the same total force will result in lower friction based on pressure. That's why generally thinner winter tires have a better straight stability as it cuts through the snow with a thinner area.
Or thinner tires in rain, I get it. Hmmm. I feel like it's more so the angle but it's too hard to prove. It is probably both but in this case you can't really get one without the other lol.
@@ZeroLoveTennis this is another rabbit hole i have been in.. also with multis. Multi filament strings are very springy (flexible). Put those in the cross and the main can move and snap back without it having to slide over the multi, it will just use the flex of the multi to move sideways. I tried some head velocity mlt 1.25 in the cross with my regular main string and it really was the case. What i didn't like is that the multi shifts out of place and then the string bed looks funny. In to of that the springiness seem to give me a lesser consistent string bed. But I'm not ready testing it. I'm going to string a few the same rackets up with different setups
I see. Yeah, multi's and syn are out for me. I get good snapback for literally a few minutes and then it's almost down to nothing. Bed looks like a bowl of spaghetti or something with the entire grid way out of place. I think about the lopsided tension of that as well as the totally random positioning of the strings now. Then they break in the next hour or less. No rabbit hole of multi for me haha I just won't play there again hopefully ever. I always push for people to try and find a comfortable poly combo before going to multi if possible. Sync is a great addition to that list of strings probably at the top especially since they offer 18 gauge.
Interesting, I should take my micrometer and see if I get the same result. Lemme do that now...Ha, hey, you're right. I might make a video on this soon. Zero 18 measured out to 1.21/1.20 so that one checks out. Measured other strings I have and the gauge matches the claimed thickness. I cut more slack for shaped strings since it's like...what side are you measuring from? Not any option with round. Round should just be exactly what it says it is.
hey. do you have thoughts on effects of stencil on snapback? i feel like the stencil has negative effect on snapback cuz it will cause more string-on-string friction, but if it actually has noticeable effects, why are pro players ok with it? hmm..
Haha I actually don't. Stencil on poly doesn't stay on at all. It literally just flings off. I can't even bother with it. So in my case even if I used it, it wouldn't stay on enough to make a difference.
Love your contents! Always so informative! You mentioned Zero mains crossed with Wasabi X is your favorite setup. What tension do you string them at? Currently playing with Wasabi Pro @ 48 lbs in my PA98 and loving the pocketing feel the string provides, but I might have to bump it up to 50 lbs if I decide to restring for extra crispness.
Thank you! You might find Zero at the same tension is already quite a bit more crisp. It is generally Wasabi that go up a few lbs on because it is softer/a little more launchy. I generally go around the mid 50's and slightly higher if with Wasabi but I mix it up a bit. Below 50 would certainly be a bit low for me on that racquet.
Of course! Do you think you're a string nerd in the making? I think I'm more of a racquet nerd as well but once you settle into something you're happy with, maybe the other thing gets your attention more. I feel as though I'm starting to settle but we will see...
I’m currently having my Gravity Pro Auxetic strung up with a full bed of Zero, but do you think it’s worth the price having a hybrid bed? Using two whole strings would cost $30 plus the stringing fee to restring my racket every time, but do hybrids really make a difference?
I absolutely do think it is worth it! I almost never use a full bed these days. I should make a video on hybriding...anyway, I'm not sure what to say about the shipping situation at this time but hopefully you can order enough to make up for the shipping costs. I enjoy Wasabi X in the crosses and now, Sync, more than I do a full bed of Zero with Zero in the mains. Vs Zero in a full bed, you will have a bit more control but also more comfort and feel. Hybriding allows you to combine string traits instead of being stuck with 1 option for both mains and crosses. Say your mains are stiff but you love them otherwise, you can put in a softer cross and now the stringbed is still soft. Maybe you get to keep all the things you like about the main performance but now it's more comfortable. Or maybe the mains are kind of underpowered, you can try a more powerful cross string, etc. I love hybriding. But I'm very careful not to RUIN the snapback potential so I only mess with something worthy in that way. Sync, Wasabi X, Enso Pro...that's about all that exists right now haha.
Thank you for your input. I just got my racket back today with a full bed, but I’m definitely going to try Wasabi X in the crosses next time I restring it, which is usually every 6 months or when I pop my strings again. Speaking of strings popping, how long did it take for your racket to pop with Zero strung in it?
Nice! I don't recall exactly what example you might be referencing but it takes quite some time for Zero to pop in the mains regardless of the setup, as long as I'm using something like what I mention in my videos. Using a more typical string would surely shorten the lifespan. Hyper G, full bed, honestly break in about 2-3 hitting sessions reliably. Zero with Wasabi X or Sync, I'd say 7-10 sessions. Way longer. I occasionally cut it out since I might be experimenting with a cross string or something and end up not liking it and it's just dragging on. Like with Sync 18g in the crosses with 16g zero mains. I cut that out after a few hitting sessions as it was going downhill quickly but I played very well the first hitting session with it.
I’m curently use restring sync, and i love it, big time Had no idea that it could still be improved with mix wasabi x and restring zero Sure it will be my next setup, tks mate
Very nice! So you think it's a preferred hybrid for you over Wasabi X in the crosses? I've still yet to determine this for myself but it's cool to have options that are so closely appreciated that it's hard to decide.
Amazing content as usual, thank you so much! Just picked up some sync 18 with your code to try with ether. Do you have a tension recommendation for this setup? Also curious if you've ever found whether any of the strings you've tested have a noticeable effect on launch angle. Again, thanks so much, always incredibly helpful and by far the most useful resource on YT for tennis strings.
Tension suggestion! Haha I should know the racquet. I wonder if I will try Ether/Sync again. I just miss that snapback and I actually got a similar launch angle but less spin so it ended up a struggle for me to pull shots back in and the dwell time was a little longer than expected. You must have seen the area of my video talking about the snapback differences with thinner gauges. I think I'm more likely to try Ether again with 17g, personally. Depending on how that goes, I might just stick with Wasabi X as the cross for Ether specifically but we will see! Sure to try both again in the near future Let me know how that goes! Appreciate the comment and happy to be a resource.
hi I want to try wasabi X (1,23) on the cross and Zero (1,23 ) on the main on my tempo IGA 298, I want more control, at what tension do you recommend . Right now it is to much powerful. I use a full bed of Zero at 50 on my Tempo Iga , this racquet has a high RA,
How high are you comfortable going? I think Sync might tame the power a bit more than Wasabi X but it isn't a huge difference. If you think your 50lbs is too wild, I might suggest 4-5lbs higher this time around. Or, at least, do Wasabi X 2lbs higher. I almost always string Wasabi X 2lbs higher. It is quite a bit softer than Zero and that evens out the difference in feel between crosses and mains particularly for this hybrid. So if you already did that, maybe try 53/55 mains/crosses but feel free to bump that up a litle more, just be sure to try the crosses slightly higher than the mains specifically for Zero.
Have just bought some new rackets after breaking one of my VCore 95s. I’ve gone for the Phantom 97P which is a forgotten gem imo. Am well and truly in the string testing hole. I’ve tried Tour Sniper mains with Hawk Touch and Sync crosses, Toro Toro crossed with Wasabi X and Enso Pro, a full bed of Sync, Caviar X with Sync, Polyfibre Hexablade with Hawk Touch crosses. I love the sensation of the last one but SnapBack lasts about 10 minutes and then the bed locks so it’s a no go. Out of all of them I’ve preferred Sync full bed and Sniper X Sync. I tried Zero a little while ago in the VCores and found it very muted. Will try again X with Sync in my Phantoms - they’re a much less muted racket so maybe Zero will feel better. Also tempted to try Sync X with Snapper. Although that seems the wrong way round with round mains and (mildly) shaped cross. What I’m trying to find is the beautiful ball pocketing sensation I got for 10 mins with Polyfibre X Hawk Touch but with the longevity of SnapBack I get with the others. Do you have any other recommendations? Maybe Zero X Snapper???? Also I normally string around 48-50lb. Any thoughts on where to string Zero to get the best out of it? Thanks for your detailed and thoughtful content.
Having now switched to a very un-muted racquet, all the strings give me really great feel so far. Even 16g Zero with Enso Pro Crosses. I string zero around mid to lower mid tension, generally. Crosses about the same but I always hybrid with Sync or Wasabi X, sometimes Enso Pro. I might mess around with snapper again but just the fact it is shaped still gets to my head a little bit and I really didn't find snapper to perform well in a full bed but I did like it on the crosses the one time I tested it seriously.
@@ZeroLoveTennisGoing to try Snapper X tomorrow. I have also bought some other company’s strings, just to convince myself that Restring/Toroline are the best bet. I just wish I could find a tiny bit more ball pocketing with one of the hybrids from Restring/Toroline
Snapper is actually quite pocketing. Maybe in a full bed, it was too much for me. It just kept on pocketing like when are you gonna leave the stringbed haha. A pretty different string from the rest, in my experience.
Oh I haven't used ISO speed cream in a long time. I think Sync still has better snapback over time. Probably holds tension better too? Otherwise it would be a somewhat good comparison actually.
Mainstream brands would have to pay you to use them but aren't toroline and restring paying you too? would like a full comparison to something like hyper G to prove your points. With that said your videos made me try toroline and I love them but just curious of the TH-cam tennis community loving these brands but also getting paid through affiliate links.
I'm not paid like that. My sales generate a commission. I'm not paid to make content. I actually love the strings. Me making that point was to stress that using mainstream strings would be a legitimate and very frustrating downgrade for my tennis. I would get less spin and break at least twice as often. I could do a comparison but I feel like I've mentioned Hyper G a lot as a reference string over the course of my content, actually. My strings of choice are similar to Hyper G but offer me way more spin and durability with no compromises otherwise, really. So, what's not to like? Others might feel differently for whatever reason (which is fine, we are all different) but many agree with my experience. I'm very blessed to have partnerships with the very companies making my absolute favorite strings of all time! It is a very happy reality that I discovered them at a time they could use my enthusiasm (which is entirely genuine and still is) to grow as I grow. I think it's a beautiful harmony, not some money driven promo that corrupts the integrity of my opinion.
@@ZeroLoveTennis Thanks for the response, again, I believe you and used your code for the percent off from toroline lol was just curious your thoughts. I have been loving my toroline strings and am excited about trying the many hybrid set ups they have to offer!
Hi, Love your content for truly unbiased no-nonsense reviews. I have a 23 Vcore 100 and have tried Wasabi, Ether and Zero in a full bed at 50lbs. Ether was ok at that tension but I found Wasabi and more so Zero to be stiff. I am wondering what cross string you recommend (Wasabi-X, Sync, Enso pro, Snapper) to increase comfort and ball pocketing and at what tension you would recommend? Also, how would you compare Wasabi, Ether, and Zero to Toro Toro in terms of comfort and spin and ball bit/grip?
Thanks! I'll try to help out here. Zero will be the most stiff in feel. It also might offer the most "feel" but Ether might be competitive in that way. Interesting Wasabi also felt too firm. Maybe a lower tension would be a good idea but hopefully not too launchy if you do that. Zero might be the most predictable at lower tensions and maybe you can go low enough that it offers good comfort. Vcores can be sensitive to tension. Maybe something like Zero/Sync at a few lbs lower than you've tried recently. Hard to say but that is my first thought. I think Sync is slightly more comfortable than Wasabi X and maybe better control as well. Friendly to playability at lower tensions, in other words. Wasabi can be pretty muted. Ether lively/crisp a bit vs wasabi. Toro Toro I've only tried so much but the comfort is maybe higher than the rest. It is a softer string for sure.
I actually do sync and zero at the same tensions since 17 zero is slightly thinner than sync but sync is softer. I think they even out just fine. But you could totally do that and you'd be fine. It's small enough to not matter a ton. You might even prefer it. Try same tension OR 2 lbs less in crosses. Both can be great.
Question if you had a moment. What would your suggestion for a cross with Gut in the mains out of the strings you mentioned. I'm leaning sync for tension maintenance and control but would Toroline string be better because of snap back? or is the snap back going to be worth the loss in control. Want something that's going to not eat the gut and snap back but offer control. What's your take?
Good question! My instinct is to say Sync but if you go with Enso or Wasabi X on the crosses for gut in the mains, that is also sensible. These are all smooth/round with a lot of snapback. Wasabi X probably having the most and the other two just a touch behind, about the same. All of them much more than anything else I know of and I've tried so many. I think they set the bar. Anyway, sync might hold tension the best and offer the most feel while still offering more snapback than anything else I can think of on the market besides wasabi x. If your control comes from topspin, which for me it kind of does, more spin can matter a lot. However, the difference is so small that I don't notice spin affected. I more so notice that the snapback fades a little sooner with Sync on the crosses and it might lead to strings breaking a little sooner than wasabi x That being said, all of these options perform so much better than other stuff I've tried so it's not as though they aren't all awesome. They are. Let me know what you do! Why do you like gut mains? You would get a lot more spin and snapback if you had a shaped poly but I'm sure you have your reasons. Maybe it's comfort and power? Cheers.
@@ZeroLoveTennis thank you for the detailed response, love your channel. I'll have to try them all. I have sync which I'm trying Monday and enso pro, but I don't have wasabi x. Why do I love gut mains over poly? It gives me the power and comfort I need while giving spin and control. The poly allows snap back and longevity to the bed while keeping the ball down, and the gut gets through the court. That's why I think 4g is the best but it's harsh and notches alittle So if sync last longer and gives the same spin as alu rough, I may have found the perfect string. It's probably either wasabi x and sync. I love trying to find different combos. Which last the longest and snaps back after awhile, feel, comfort, spin. Tell you one thing YPTP and rpm feel the best best turn into rocket launchers very fast. If I can get that and it last longer then we are in business because 4g is the best and it is harsh
Ha, honestly hard to say. I think sync holds tension better and might offer more feel. Wasabi would offer a little more snapback and maybe therefore spin but I've had experiences where the feel was also really good with wasabi x. Really depends on the racquet, it seems, so it's hard to say what the definitive user experience will be but I think the snapback and feel and tension points I can say are quite truthful. And personally, I still use and experiment with both. Can't say I have a favorite of the two. Hopefully that doesn't sound like I'm trying to just push both. There are sooooo many potential cross strings that don't interest me at all. Sometimes ENSO is intriguing but I think it's often a little muted and overpowered but sometimes it is good on the right setup. Do you have a favorite?
@@ZeroLoveTennis just got some sync, haven’t tried it yet. I’m finding the Wasabi/X hybrid to be great in medium to soft flex frames and tighter string patterns, but having trouble controlling with more open beds and stiffer frames. I don’t love the feel of restring zero/ Wasabi X hybrids. Will try wasabi and zero with sync. Thanks for the reply
Maybe you like the softer feel of the wasabi mains with wasabi x crosses. I haven't used Wasabi in a while. Wasabi X I have. I'll come around to it again. Been a process testing my new racquets and I didn't want to mess with variables too much from what I had on the Dunlops. Cheers! Feel free to keep me updated.
I wonder! I'm not going to but it would be interesting to string up the medium and thickest gauges of Blast and compare. Could be a lot of things. I wonder what he would say! Maybe because it holds tension better or doesn't break too soon? Maybe the weight of the strings plays in a way he favors? I might mess around with thicker gauges again more seriously because my Dunlop is so open.
I really liked a full bed of the 18 ga Sync. I think it could have a little better spin potential but I don’t want a higher launch angle. Do you think the 17 ga will have more spin without impacting the launch angle?
I don't think the higher gauges will give you more launch angle. I'm also not so sure if it'll add much spin. Do you feel like strings affect launch angle a lot? I don't. I feel like that is much more a racquet thing than a string thing although some strings can be "launchy" that isn't quite the same thing. I would strongly suggest Zero in the mains or Toroline's new O-Toro string! That'll give you more bite on the ball and be an upgrade in snapback/spin potential. Launch angle shouldn't be higher but you might have more shape to your shot trajectory with the added spin but it shouldn't be a night and day thing.
It's less! Sync is probably somewhere between the middle and softer end of polyester strings. Zero is closer to the higher end. No arm pains for me either way but I can acknowledge the comfort difference sync offers.
Back when it was tier 1, yes! It's a good cross but you'll lose a lot of snapback. Although, before toroline and REstring, it was high on my list but that is because there was no competition. Now, it's not even close. I think Sync and Wasabi X offer similar comfort but way better performance and now that Sync has 18g, I can't think of a single argument for why one should prefer Ghostwire over these.
Depends on the racquet, right? On my PA98 I might do around 55-57 lbs for the mains and same or 2lbs higher on the crosses. Depends on the setup/gauge exactly but hopefully this helps. Wasabi mains you can go a little higher than Zero since it is a bit more...launchy? Drops tension a little more and sooner as well but you may or may not notice. It is also a softer string. But for best control/tension, I think Zero mains and Wasabi X or Sync Crosses is the best way to. Start there and figure out tension over time for yourself.
This is very informative! 🔥 What can you recommend for string combo for a APD original & Pure aero 2019 ? Zero/wasabi X or Zero/Sync? Also what string size and tension can you recommend? I just got back to tennis and I have zero idea on what tension I should use for the hybrid that you will reco above. Thanks a lot! 🍻
Hello and thanks! I'd say: Zero/Wasabi for max spin. Zero/Sync for still a ton of spin and better feel, maybe better control. Either way kind of hard to go wrong. Either will vastly outperform just about everything out there in terms of spin/durability so don't worry about the trade-offs in that way. Highly suggest just using 17 gauge for both mains/crosses. Tension...Mid to lower 50's is a good starting spot. Adjust accordingly by 3-5lbs if you feel it's too tight/loose the next time.
Always depends on the racquet. It's actually hard to say such a thing with any precision but I would suggest something a little lower than higher level players might use. Mid tension might actually be a good place to start on your racquet, where it suggests a tension range. If using sync, I think that range or a little lower is fine because it holds tension very well Many polys quickly loose tension and get launchy all of a sudden. I hope this helps. It's harder to say without knowing your racquet and generation of the racquet.
It might be more comparable than most but it has been a while since I have tried it. I imagine it could be similar in many ways as it is regarded for stiffness/spin etc in ways that seem similar to zero But I cannot imagine it has the snapback or tension hold that Zero does over time. I might be more likely to describe Zero by saying: it's like Polytour Rev but with better snapback and tension maintenance.
Nice! I feel tempted to get a Percept again just to try Sync in a full bed haha. Might be more of a 97D guy but the 100D has some things to like if you're into flat and heavy shots but a little spin when you need it.
@@ZeroLoveTennis Thats the exact same idea I had a couple weeks ago... sync in a percept around 60 lbs like karue for maximum can't miss control... I'm, gonna try it out in percept 97
Same problem, some youtube guys said that we cat send a message to restring and they will make shipping to different countries. i tried, but the didn’t answer for a week yet(
@@Golikov_I have purchased zero and sync outside of the US. I'm in Asia. Possibly the first one in my country to have it even. haha. it is true that you just have to email them. They typically are responsive, so not sure why u have not gotten an answer yet. good luck. received the strings in a timely manner too. cant wait to try sync.
try saying time410s sent you in the email haha. Maybe they've been overwhelmed by the Release of Sync but you can message again! They do hope to have a base setup out there so it shouldn't be toooo long before it's possible to order through the website.
I kinda resent that I have to find different string set up for different rackets. Do you have any ideas which strings from toroline/restring that either fit Solinco Hyper G soft or confidential. I kinda don't want to ever have to think about strings ever again 🤣
I know what you mean! Getting to know a new racquet is sometimes a mess of strings and tension. Dealing with that now, actually. Surprised how high I can and want to go on my racquets but besides my drama... I think SYNC or Wasabi X in the crosses is a wonderful way to go for pairing comfort with spin/bite in the mains. Wasabi is softer than Zero but a little more launchy. Zero holds tension so well. Off the bat, that is my suggestion. Toro Toro is also pretty soft!
@@ZeroLoveTennis Thank you. I did hear some people talk about zero playing similar to hyper g. I need a string to tame a Pure Strike and a string to make a pro staff even more powerful. I like solinco but I want better playability. Durability I could care less about as I don't break strings until 12-30 hr mark depending on the gauge and frequency of play.
Right on. Playability...honestly, very hard to beat Zero. Sync keeps up well, too. I guess Zero is a little more powerful than some expect. Sync can be used in the crosses to tame that but also bring in a little more feel. Zero crossed with ENSO from Toroline would give you a big power boost and still great playability. Wasabi X a little closer to the results of Sync in the crosses but somewhere in the middle. Lmk what you do and how you felt!
I think solinco does that. Funny, gauge size is subjective if you measure with the fractionated version of it since it's less specific. But the mm size wouldn't have people thinking one size should be another size haha, strange how we use both.
I don't know if I'll ever say better. They are very close. If you want more spin I think wasabi x wins. Sync isn't far behind at all but would possibly win out in terms of comfort and touch/feel. Genuinely hard to go wrong either way, I really enjoy both and am still playing with how they compare I've only really found out that I prefer to use the 17g over the 18g but that might just be a general discovery for myself.
@@ZeroLoveTennis I have the 18g Restring Zero, which I like a lot, and would be getting the Sync just for the crosses. You said I think you like Restring Zero on the Mains and Wasabi X on the crosses, so I imagine Restring Zero on mains and Sync on crosses you like also? I like the looks of Wasabi X more than Sync in videos, but maybe Sync in person with Zero on Mains looks good? I like the fact Restring holds tension so well and I like their sustainable goals, so will probably go with Sync…do you recommend 17 over 18g even if I have 18g Zero?
18g Zero? I am quite sure it only comes in 16g and 17g haha double check? I do love Zero with Wasabi X but also Sync. I'm coining the term ZYNC for Zero/Sync Hybrids. I feel you on the color. Grey is fine, it's neutral. But blue on blue looks very cool. 17g sync I suggest over 18g unless the very top priority above all is comfort but you will have less snapback and less tension hold than the 17g sync. But still very good for 18g compared to other options in that size.
I guess also stiffer so they will bend back into form more easily but I still think the ramp idea might be the most significant. Because stringing thinner gauge at higher tension doesn't seem to help with the snapback.
Nice video, although only sitting on the couch and talking things. But how can I put this... I don't share your obsession of snapback and tight grommets. Half the video is about which and why and how a string snaps back into place. As if that's tje only thing to look at when deciding to use a string or not. Two of the three GOATs use NG on the mains, jot really known for snapping back like a poly. And Rafa's Babolat Barb Wire is quite a snapper bit not the best out there. Seems like there's more to strings than coming back into place. I tried some of your setups, they were OKish, but up to now the best result was Zero at two gauges. I will try Sync as a cross of course, but that will take some time. Especially because I live on Europe and shipping is a hassle. People need predictability, no matter of the strings spin a lot or not. You can have the perfect snap back string, but when the launch angle is different all the times you will lose confidence in what you do.
I think what a lot of pros turn pro with is what they stick with and what they turn pro with is something available from their time. I don't think the fact they use it means it's the best. Gut is kind of irrelevant on tour right now besides them. I'm very confident ReString and Toroline will continue to upset the market with time. I don't think there's anything inconsistent about the strings I talk about due to something inherent about them. I think strings like the rest which age and lose snapback so quickly are the ones inconsistent because their performance quickly declines on a metric that matters especially for spin heavy players like me Nadal's string was RPM Blast. Barb Wire is a Solinco String. Glad you enjoyed Zero! I hope the section of my video breaking down my thoughts on snapback and who it might matter to more put this into perspective. I said something like: I don't expect everyone to think of strings the way I do.
@@ZeroLoveTennis Well, I translated it to Barb Wire, because it is so thick that it feels like one. I still remember the very first polys (not co-polys like now), they were really stiff like metal. Pros cannot start their career with an NG Setup, way too expensive. I once copied Fed's string bed, felt great and had tons of free power, almost like cheating. But after less than an hour the Alu Power was done and felt just awful. Ans as a User of wooden racquets I can tell you that the very most consistent string is one that does not move at all. There is some rough poly in the market for straight hitters, forgot the name. I tried that once (years ago or something) and was just completely awesome on my backhand (but terrible ony forehand). It is a give and take game. You gain spin, you lose control. If you gain more than you lose (or if you are happy to compensate), then the string is good for you. And the price for snapback is.... ...consistency. But easy to compensate, because spinny balls stay in, even when they fly higher than wanted. With my backhand (one handed and flat) I can feel it. Directional control is not the Zero's strong point when hitting flat. The less snappy the more precise I hit where I want to. But the less spin I get on my forehand.
I gotcha. I think Gut is more so something from the past than it is something out of reach financially as far as the reasons as to why it is rarely seen. Once, it was all that was available. Now, it is expensive but also just not favorable for many players, despite the cost. Like I would never use it, even if I got it for free. It isn't what I want in a string at all. I can see a point where super snapback friendly strings would have less of a place for flat hitters, as the string displacement wouldn't really serve a purpose on flat balls and might cause a lack of control whereas someone like me gets control from producing spin.
@@ZeroLoveTennis I wouldn't consider NG completely dead. Fed hasn't retired that long ago, Djokovic still uses it and is still a player to be counted on. I'm not a gut player as well. Especially at the beginning of Summer season, when German Clay courts are soaked in water. But I do have to admit that gut has some benefits to offer, and they're far from marginal.
You're right, it's not totally dead. I just mean it's very rare among the newer generation of top players or players in general. I'm actually not super up to snuff on the examples across the board but the two you mentioned are both from a totally different era of tennis. Fed was a big deal pretty shortly after wood was offically out. When you put it like that, it makes the gut/wooden era seem like a thing of the past. Gut obviously stuck around since wood but it was always less and less so with time and now the main examples we can think of are current players from a different era or a retired player from an even slightly earlier era. I wonder how much GUT was relevant because racquets were made of wood. Surely, to some degree. Wooden racquets much less able to generate power on their own physics or spin. So those styles of today were not even possible then. So, gut, wouldn't be seen as something holding the technique of their time back. Today, and for me personally, it would be. Hence even if you see someone using it, which is incredibly rare, it is always as a hybrid if at all, right? Minus the more casual players. Gut seems to offer a unqiue power/comfort unlike the rest. However, it is also sensitive to climate changes. I just can't find a reason for me to want it. I don't want more power and I have no issues with comfort haha. I think many feel the same with how dampened and powerful many racquets are anyway. Not to diminish your points at all, by the way!
Definitely. I am due to catch up on several video ideas! Been crazy busy, I'll update on that as well haha. SYNC still holds it's own, I'll tell you that much!
@@ZeroLoveTennis i tried all toroline strings and all of their hybrid combos. My favourites from best to worst: wasabi full bed, wasabi/enso and last wasabi pro. So my main pick from toroline is wasabi full bed. My review of zero didn’t go as expected. I respect the tech and the behaviour but as a flat hitter couldn’t play with it. It had an odd behaviour….. it needs modern full spin cut to perform. SnapBack wise i found it even better than toro lines. But it’s not for me…..definitely a unique feeling string. So today i had my first hit with sync and unlike zero i was impressed. Another unique feeling string. The harder you hit the harder it put weight behind the ball. I found it odd that some TH-camrs tell that it’s in the middle ground of control and more towards to stiff. I found it almost 20% more comfortable than wasabi for example. I hade literally zero issues on my blade v9 while wasabi bothers me. The only downside of sync is lack of spin on slice shots and volleys when you want to cut thought the ball….. it needs more effort. It’s a string that gives you exactly what you put in…. so depending to player level others will found it powerful and others low powered. To me it plays like alu power and lynx touch made a baby. The main pro of this string is its FEEL. Great connection to the ball. Wasabi is more muted but it has more byte and more easy pop to play defence. I love the feel of sync and don’t see a single reason to spoil it by hybriding it. Now i am in a very difficult position and need more time to test: wasabi or sync in full bed ? I love them equally both for different reasons. Help me :P
Haha have you tried hybriding Wasabi and Sync? I kind of know what you mean. I would also agree that strings like Zero and these high snapback strings are more purposeful for spinny players. Flatter hitters might have less to gain although some still notice the durability. I prefer mains to have some bite. I wonder if Ether would be a good try for you since you liked Wasabi.
I believe a shaped string def plays a role in the crosses in griping the ball. On servers, on slices and lots of shots I still brush across the ball or down on the ball. Not as much as the cross. Everyone thinks crosses need to be round but often it does not improve in anyway to a full bed of a shaped string unless you want more comfort or control ect. Otherwise it can just create a less consistent string response
I think I see what you're saying but I also feel the brushing motion of hitting is very much mostly directed by the mains. The crosses are generally parallel to the motion of the brush, not perpendicular (like the mains) and so, any shape will generally be irrelevant because a hexagon will really only bite into the ball if it's contacting perpendicular, not parallel. But to say it doesn't make any difference at all for spin might be a stretch, maybe it does and maybe it depends on how you hit the ball on a given shot. That being said, I do it for all the above reasons as well as the comfort/feel/control etc. I think the gains in those departments vastly outweigh any effect on spin and if the crosses can allow for more snapback of the mains than the shaped full bed might, I think that can also be a favorable choice for spin. I'm sure there are exceptions but I feel this is often or generally pretty true. Any thoughts?
I think I depends on playing style. Federer and Novak use Alu rough. For slice and volleys or slightly inside out shots or serves, or high attacking forehands or back hands etc the crosses most def play a role in gripping the ball and giving added control. On a different note. What is your experience with zero full bed compared to your wasabi ex blend?
I hate so called self proclaimed reviewers who state of begin honest :P Everyone who dare state in their titels 'honest this and that' sure is a red flag in advance. Fanboy alert all over the place lol.
Sometimes it's honest to say honest because you are being honest, honestly. But you have semi-inspired me to say BIAS REVIEW in the future haha. Could be a fun twist on titles/thumbnails.
Hmm, well not to the degree it is on the example I am showing. It might have a small impact on actual strokes but just pulling/testing by hand, I doubt it. Since the spacing and so on is otherwise exactly the same and the center area of the stringbed is pretty far away from the frictional influence of the more open main grommets. I'm sure to have Zero/Sync again in the PA98 soon!
Thank you for this great review and comparison video. As usual, you provide the best string reviews!!!
Appreciate you! Thank you for watching and letting me you you feel that way haha.
Perfect timing for this video.
I was chatting with Toroline for an hour yesterday about the mini reels
of Wasabi/Wasabi X that I bought recently, and tbh, was pretty disappointed...
But, I believe some of that is on me.
I strung up my (funny enough) Head MP's (Sinner molds that you have in the video)
with the hybrid at 36lbs and even at that tension, found it to be VERY muted feeling
with less power and launch angle than I'm used to.
I think my mistake was buying the Wasabi as my main as it doesn't suit my strokes
which are hard and heavy with tons of topspin which is asking too much from a square main like Wasabi.
Toroline suggested I go full bed of Toro Toro (which they gave me as a free sample pack with my order)
BUT!
As you stated here in this vid, a full bed of shaped strings really doesn't
make that much sense and will just lead to string breakage earlier; especially for string breakers like us.
My question(s) are...
Would you suggest my next hybriding be the Toro Toro (main) with Wasabi X (cross) for maximizing power, spin?
(I do also have a reel of ReString Zero, so maybe that as a main and Wasabi X in the crosses?)
I'm also wondering if you tried Toroloine's "Absolute."
It's their softest (which I know is not really your thing) but curious
if you experimented with them; potentially a full bed or with Wasabi X, etc.
Absolute appears to be the best option for power and spin in their line-up.
Thanks, Justin...
IMHO, you're my go-to-guy when it comes to ReString and Toroline strings analysis and experimentation!
P.S. - I tried buying you a coffee but my McAfee anti-virus flagged the link.
Any of your other subs come across this?
I'll send you a coffee donation via PayPal 👊
I totally agree with going toro toro full bed or sth smilar which not so aggressively shaped, you definitely need some shape not necessarily for spin but for the launch angle for the spinny shots. Having a round cross is bit of a hand brake in most cases I have tried. You can be just fine with full bed of lynx tour which smilar to toro toro. That racket is really stiff otherwise you could give zero a shot in full bed but you probably shouldn't.
Hello!
I think ENSO crosses really boost the power. I haven't messed with Absolute much because it's not that spin friendly. It is primarily designed for comfort as a poly but honestly I bet Sync comes really close, especially in 18g (from ReString) but ENSO and Wasabi X are decently soft as well.
Toro Toro surely up there, it's softer, I break it much sooner though.
If Wasabi wasn't your feel and Toro Toro you're turning to for power or something, the ReString Zero shape is the same so it should be extremely similar in terms of ball bite but Zero is more crips and I wonder if it is more powerful...it is somewhat powerful.
I love the Zero/Wasabi X combo so much. Still a top hybrid for me but I'm testing Sync in the crosses a lot right now just so I get dialed in with how they are different.
LMK what you do! Sorry the McAfee wasn't letting you get me coffee lol. Paypal is more than cool as well and I'll shout you out anyway!
@@ZeroLoveTennis
Thanks for the reply, Justin...
It's "highly" appreciated.
Especially because I'm not a stringer (yet)
and it saves me time and money getting your opinion
from all of your hours of hitting experience and experimentation
from a hitter similar to your self.
I will try Zero/Wasabi X and Toro Toro/Wasabi X next and will report back.
I was previously using Gamma Jet 17g (main) and a round similar to Wasabi X (cross) before, so I'm guessing that was WAY too much of a jump giving me a completely different result.
Haha interesting. Jet I only used at first when it came with the stringer I got as my initial one. I probably botched that job but I'm a decent stringer these days.
It's great to be able to string for yourself! Saves money but also you don't end up without a racquet until the shop finishes and you pick up. And your jobs are always your jobs so results are consistent and adjustable.
@@ZeroLoveTennis
(Stringer)
Well, you could say I'm pretty fortunate.
I'm friends with my stringer.
He gets his strings "direct" from the factories where the major companies produce theirs,
so his prices are significantly cheaper, allowing him to undercut his competiton
and giving his customers a great price.
I get a new strung racquet up for $20 CAD and they go up from there.
(Gamma Jet)
Personally, I haven't found a string that has matched its spin without sacrificing power...
(that's my journey these days, any suggestions are always appreciated)
I heard yTex Quadro Twist was up there, but still 2nd to Jet.
For gauges and snapback, I think it could be because of pressure. As the thinner the strings, the less the surface area, there would be more load on each string. I dunno, I'm not an expert, just a theory
That would be ny theory too. Small surface area means more perpendicular force and thus more friction to overcome
You could test the theory by stringing higher gague at lower tension to see if that improves it
Could be that as well although I think the angle of the strings keeping one another in place is a big deal. Similar to what you say, the steeper the angles, the more the pressure is diverted to moving towards center and not just sitting on top of the string with which it is woven.
thin gauge means less resistance to force of the plastic material. This means it will stretch and give more, meaning the plastic will snap back harder at first until the strings are stretched permanently and lose more tension per hit
I'm sure that's a factor as well. But it was like this right away and entire time too.
Enjoy the string content, I have a vcore 98 2023 which I have been stringing with a full bed of restring zero at 48lbs, eager to try sync and wasabi x in the crosses. I was just wandering what your thoughts are on the tensions I should try sync firstly and then wasabi x in the crosses paired with zero in the mains at 48lbs, cheers in advance
That's awesome! I think you can do Wasabi X at same tension or 2lbs higher. Sync I think same tension is ok because it's slightly thicker. Shouldn't need to do anything dramatic for tension shifts going from Zero full bed to one of these in the crosses! Lmk how it goes.
Your hypothesis on snapback potentially increasing with thicker gauge strings is compelling. Great explanation, makes a lot of sense. I also read that Sinner by happenstance moved to a 1.30 from a 1.25 and preferred the playability which goes against what most tennis enthusiasts have typically believed.
Thanks! It is the only one which makes sense to me and I think the increased angles would greatly outweigh any minor, if any, increase in surface area related friction. Kind of like a car that might have slightly better bearings but would still coast slower down a hill if the angle was notably less steep, right?
Tried the same setup in 17g all around on my dunlop and the snapback is definitely better.
@@ZeroLoveTennis If true, then it also changes my thinking around string pattern density. A denser 18x20 pattern with tighter spacing will also increase the steepness between the peaks and valley's potentially improving snap back even more. It's strange to think that a denser string pattern with thicker gauge string may in fact improve snapback aggressiveness thereby improving spin consistency. I always wondered why many top pros are using 18x20 patterns in todays heavy spin game, but this could be why it works for them. Very interesting topic and I will be doing more experimentation based on this newfound thinking.
Good point! But there would also be a threshold where the returns are diminishing on that metric alone because there wouldn't be enough open space between strings to bite the ball.
So I think increasing that peak/valley angle but keeping it open is the optimal way to go but in a denser pattern, thin might help more than thick.
@@ZeroLoveTennis using the gift/curse of AI, this would be a hypothetical formula if there were known measurements for all the variables. It would be quite cool if mathematics grad came up with a proven formula and a way to test. I know I'm nerd-ing out.
F be the friction of the string (Coatings)
B be the bite of the string (Shape)
W be the width of the string (Gauge)
D be the density of the string pattern (Pattern)
Then, a simplified formula for spin potential (S) would be something like this:
k⋅(F⋅B)⋅ D/W
Interesting! Yeah it's a good idea. I suppose tennis warehouses formula is similar. They consider ball bite and string on string friction
Do you think 43lbs is to low for a full bed Zero and Zero/Sync hybrid on a Shift Pro 315?
A little bit low, yeah.
Any chance they start manufacturing a 15 gauge Zero or Sync string, the additional longevity combined with the better directional control and the great snapback, would be amazing!
I'm not sure. Have you not been satisfied with the 16 for zero?
@@ZeroLoveTennis Haven't tried the 16 yet, but I may try to hybrid it with 15 gauge natural gut in the near future!
Interesting! I wonder what gauge sizes are most popular for gut. You have any insight? I have none.
@@ZeroLoveTennis I always use 15 or 15L natural gut for the increased longevity, I know most pros use 16 or 17 gauge gut for the increased feel and spin but I can't afford to re-string that often, unfortunately!
@@prophetmargin7497i was gonna do the same thing with my Pro Staff V13 mid. Please do update if you have successfully hybrid natural gut and Sync.
hi, is it better to use zero 1.23mm on the main or 1.28mm with sync 1.25 on the cross? thankyou
Good question! I know what it's like to have these numbers get in your head a little bit haha.
I tend to want the same or smaller size on the crosses. So I might do 16g zero mains with 17g sync or 17g mains with 18g sync.
But I have done 17/17 and been happy without thinking too much of it.
Surprisingly, I've had really good feel with 16g Zero and Sync at 17 or 18g but that could be just me.
Right now using Zero 16g with Enso crosses, gray 1.25. Feel is very good but the ProKennex I'm using might just have good feel no matter what, hard to say!
Let me know what you do.
@@ZeroLoveTennis sure! will do, i think im gonna try using zero 16G and sync 17G on the crosses. really appreciate for your answer, thanks a lot!
Awesome! You're welcome
So hyped for Sync!! Also quick question, I've been playing wasabi/wasabix on my PA98 feels good but launch angle is higher than expected... do you think a switch to toro toro/wasabix would be bring the launch angle down a bit? Also wondering how you feel about Zero/Sync on the PA98. Thanks so much, I owe my discovery of Toroline and Restring to you!
Hello! Wasabi I tend to string a little higher. Sometimes I forget how launchy it can be at the same tensions I might do Zero, especially in a spinny racket like that haha. Toro Toro...maybe? I forget how it compares in power level. Toro Toro I have struggled to get to know super well because I break it in less than half the time that Wasabi or Zero lasts me, actually. Despite it's snapback being just about as good haha. It's quite a bit softer, I think.
Zero/Sync is amazing. If you haven't tried Zero/WasX too, I'd see about both.
I'm torn between two racquets right now but about to try Zero/Sync in the SX300 in 17g for the first time. That'll tell me more officially how the snapback really compares vs Wasabi X.
Cheers! Glad to spread the word of Toroline and ReString! Lmk what you end up doing/discovering
@time410s I have tried zero/wasx, I love it on my SHIFT 99... wasn't a fan of full bed zero on the Aeros, felt too muted on muted. But I'm hoping the aeros will feel better with zero/sync!
I think Zero Sync offers a bit more feel! I wish the PA98 was a bit less muted tbh.
You might have something with the zit zag, but on top of that friction is not necessary only related to contact area, but also the amount of pressure that area has. A bigger surface with the same total force will result in lower friction based on pressure. That's why generally thinner winter tires have a better straight stability as it cuts through the snow with a thinner area.
Or thinner tires in rain, I get it. Hmmm. I feel like it's more so the angle but it's too hard to prove. It is probably both but in this case you can't really get one without the other lol.
@@ZeroLoveTennis this is another rabbit hole i have been in.. also with multis. Multi filament strings are very springy (flexible). Put those in the cross and the main can move and snap back without it having to slide over the multi, it will just use the flex of the multi to move sideways. I tried some head velocity mlt 1.25 in the cross with my regular main string and it really was the case. What i didn't like is that the multi shifts out of place and then the string bed looks funny. In to of that the springiness seem to give me a lesser consistent string bed. But I'm not ready testing it. I'm going to string a few the same rackets up with different setups
I see. Yeah, multi's and syn are out for me. I get good snapback for literally a few minutes and then it's almost down to nothing. Bed looks like a bowl of spaghetti or something with the entire grid way out of place. I think about the lopsided tension of that as well as the totally random positioning of the strings now. Then they break in the next hour or less.
No rabbit hole of multi for me haha I just won't play there again hopefully ever. I always push for people to try and find a comfortable poly combo before going to multi if possible. Sync is a great addition to that list of strings probably at the top especially since they offer 18 gauge.
Glad you like Sync; measured Sync 1.25 it is actually thicker 1.30. Measured with micrometer. Any experience with this, and how thick is Sync 1.20?
Interesting, I should take my micrometer and see if I get the same result. Lemme do that now...Ha, hey, you're right. I might make a video on this soon. Zero 18 measured out to 1.21/1.20 so that one checks out. Measured other strings I have and the gauge matches the claimed thickness. I cut more slack for shaped strings since it's like...what side are you measuring from? Not any option with round. Round should just be exactly what it says it is.
hey. do you have thoughts on effects of stencil on snapback? i feel like the stencil has negative effect on snapback cuz it will cause more string-on-string friction, but if it actually has noticeable effects, why are pro players ok with it? hmm..
Haha I actually don't. Stencil on poly doesn't stay on at all. It literally just flings off. I can't even bother with it. So in my case even if I used it, it wouldn't stay on enough to make a difference.
Love your contents! Always so informative! You mentioned Zero mains crossed with Wasabi X is your favorite setup. What tension do you string them at? Currently playing with Wasabi Pro @ 48 lbs in my PA98 and loving the pocketing feel the string provides, but I might have to bump it up to 50 lbs if I decide to restring for extra crispness.
Thank you! You might find Zero at the same tension is already quite a bit more crisp. It is generally Wasabi that go up a few lbs on because it is softer/a little more launchy.
I generally go around the mid 50's and slightly higher if with Wasabi but I mix it up a bit. Below 50 would certainly be a bit low for me on that racquet.
Thanks a lot for the shoutout 😁 Although I’m more of a racquet nerd than a string nerd, I love watching these string breakdowns!
Of course! Do you think you're a string nerd in the making? I think I'm more of a racquet nerd as well but once you settle into something you're happy with, maybe the other thing gets your attention more. I feel as though I'm starting to settle but we will see...
I’m currently having my Gravity Pro Auxetic strung up with a full bed of Zero, but do you think it’s worth the price having a hybrid bed? Using two whole strings would cost $30 plus the stringing fee to restring my racket every time, but do hybrids really make a difference?
You only pay two sets for one time. You can string two hybrid racquets.
Or so you should.
I absolutely do think it is worth it! I almost never use a full bed these days. I should make a video on hybriding...anyway, I'm not sure what to say about the shipping situation at this time but hopefully you can order enough to make up for the shipping costs.
I enjoy Wasabi X in the crosses and now, Sync, more than I do a full bed of Zero with Zero in the mains.
Vs Zero in a full bed, you will have a bit more control but also more comfort and feel. Hybriding allows you to combine string traits instead of being stuck with 1 option for both mains and crosses.
Say your mains are stiff but you love them otherwise, you can put in a softer cross and now the stringbed is still soft. Maybe you get to keep all the things you like about the main performance but now it's more comfortable. Or maybe the mains are kind of underpowered, you can try a more powerful cross string, etc.
I love hybriding. But I'm very careful not to RUIN the snapback potential so I only mess with something worthy in that way. Sync, Wasabi X, Enso Pro...that's about all that exists right now haha.
Thank you for your input. I just got my racket back today with a full bed, but I’m definitely going to try Wasabi X in the crosses next time I restring it, which is usually every 6 months or when I pop my strings again. Speaking of strings popping, how long did it take for your racket to pop with Zero strung in it?
Nice! I don't recall exactly what example you might be referencing but it takes quite some time for Zero to pop in the mains regardless of the setup, as long as I'm using something like what I mention in my videos. Using a more typical string would surely shorten the lifespan.
Hyper G, full bed, honestly break in about 2-3 hitting sessions reliably. Zero with Wasabi X or Sync, I'd say 7-10 sessions. Way longer.
I occasionally cut it out since I might be experimenting with a cross string or something and end up not liking it and it's just dragging on. Like with Sync 18g in the crosses with 16g zero mains. I cut that out after a few hitting sessions as it was going downhill quickly but I played very well the first hitting session with it.
I’m curently use restring sync, and i love it, big time
Had no idea that it could still be improved with mix wasabi x and restring zero
Sure it will be my next setup, tks mate
Very nice! So you think it's a preferred hybrid for you over Wasabi X in the crosses? I've still yet to determine this for myself but it's cool to have options that are so closely appreciated that it's hard to decide.
@@ZeroLoveTennis yeah i think so, wasabi x on crosses, hopefully could bring the best of both world
Messing around with sync in my PA98. Worked well with TBDR. Gonna try with zero. Have you tried it as a full bed?? How did it go?
@@joshcollins652 what happened mate?
Full bed of sync preferred. Also bumped up tension and performed even better. Started at 50 now at 52.
As a follow up question… how does Ether compare to Wasabi? I didn’t like Wasabi, again because it was too muted.
Very similar but a little less muted. I think you'd like it better. Hard to say if you'd love it. O-toro is with a try though.
Amazing content as usual, thank you so much! Just picked up some sync 18 with your code to try with ether. Do you have a tension recommendation for this setup? Also curious if you've ever found whether any of the strings you've tested have a noticeable effect on launch angle. Again, thanks so much, always incredibly helpful and by far the most useful resource on YT for tennis strings.
Tension suggestion! Haha I should know the racquet. I wonder if I will try Ether/Sync again. I just miss that snapback and I actually got a similar launch angle but less spin so it ended up a struggle for me to pull shots back in and the dwell time was a little longer than expected. You must have seen the area of my video talking about the snapback differences with thinner gauges. I think I'm more likely to try Ether again with 17g, personally. Depending on how that goes, I might just stick with Wasabi X as the cross for Ether specifically but we will see! Sure to try both again in the near future
Let me know how that goes! Appreciate the comment and happy to be a resource.
hi I want to try wasabi X (1,23) on the cross and Zero (1,23 ) on the main on my tempo IGA 298, I want more control, at what tension do you recommend .
Right now it is to much powerful. I use a full bed of Zero at 50 on my Tempo Iga , this racquet has a high RA,
How high are you comfortable going? I think Sync might tame the power a bit more than Wasabi X but it isn't a huge difference. If you think your 50lbs is too wild, I might suggest 4-5lbs higher this time around. Or, at least, do Wasabi X 2lbs higher. I almost always string Wasabi X 2lbs higher. It is quite a bit softer than Zero and that evens out the difference in feel between crosses and mains particularly for this hybrid.
So if you already did that, maybe try 53/55 mains/crosses but feel free to bump that up a litle more, just be sure to try the crosses slightly higher than the mains specifically for Zero.
Have just bought some new rackets after breaking one of my VCore 95s. I’ve gone for the Phantom 97P which is a forgotten gem imo.
Am well and truly in the string testing hole. I’ve tried Tour Sniper mains with Hawk Touch and Sync crosses, Toro Toro crossed with Wasabi X and Enso Pro, a full bed of Sync, Caviar X with Sync, Polyfibre Hexablade with Hawk Touch crosses. I love the sensation of the last one but SnapBack lasts about 10 minutes and then the bed locks so it’s a no go. Out of all of them I’ve preferred Sync full bed and Sniper X Sync.
I tried Zero a little while ago in the VCores and found it very muted. Will try again X with Sync in my Phantoms - they’re a much less muted racket so maybe Zero will feel better. Also tempted to try Sync X with Snapper. Although that seems the wrong way round with round mains and (mildly) shaped cross.
What I’m trying to find is the beautiful ball pocketing sensation I got for 10 mins with Polyfibre X Hawk Touch but with the longevity of SnapBack I get with the others.
Do you have any other recommendations? Maybe Zero X Snapper????
Also I normally string around 48-50lb. Any thoughts on where to string Zero to get the best out of it?
Thanks for your detailed and thoughtful content.
Having now switched to a very un-muted racquet, all the strings give me really great feel so far. Even 16g Zero with Enso Pro Crosses.
I string zero around mid to lower mid tension, generally. Crosses about the same but I always hybrid with Sync or Wasabi X, sometimes Enso Pro. I might mess around with snapper again but just the fact it is shaped still gets to my head a little bit and I really didn't find snapper to perform well in a full bed but I did like it on the crosses the one time I tested it seriously.
@@ZeroLoveTennisGoing to try Snapper X tomorrow. I have also bought some other company’s strings, just to convince myself that Restring/Toroline are the best bet. I just wish I could find a tiny bit more ball pocketing with one of the hybrids from Restring/Toroline
Snapper is actually quite pocketing. Maybe in a full bed, it was too much for me. It just kept on pocketing like when are you gonna leave the stringbed haha. A pretty different string from the rest, in my experience.
@@ZeroLoveTennis That sounds exciting. Hopefully the Snapper will work well. I’ll let you know!
Yeah was a cross I think it certainly can. I'll try again sometime.
Hey, how would you compare restring sync with isospeed cream as a cross string?
Oh I haven't used ISO speed cream in a long time. I think Sync still has better snapback over time. Probably holds tension better too? Otherwise it would be a somewhat good comparison actually.
Mainstream brands would have to pay you to use them but aren't toroline and restring paying you too? would like a full comparison to something like hyper G to prove your points. With that said your videos made me try toroline and I love them but just curious of the TH-cam tennis community loving these brands but also getting paid through affiliate links.
I'm not paid like that. My sales generate a commission. I'm not paid to make content. I actually love the strings. Me making that point was to stress that using mainstream strings would be a legitimate and very frustrating downgrade for my tennis. I would get less spin and break at least twice as often.
I could do a comparison but I feel like I've mentioned Hyper G a lot as a reference string over the course of my content, actually. My strings of choice are similar to Hyper G but offer me way more spin and durability with no compromises otherwise, really. So, what's not to like? Others might feel differently for whatever reason (which is fine, we are all different) but many agree with my experience.
I'm very blessed to have partnerships with the very companies making my absolute favorite strings of all time! It is a very happy reality that I discovered them at a time they could use my enthusiasm (which is entirely genuine and still is) to grow as I grow. I think it's a beautiful harmony, not some money driven promo that corrupts the integrity of my opinion.
@@ZeroLoveTennis Thanks for the response, again, I believe you and used your code for the percent off from toroline lol was just curious your thoughts.
I have been loving my toroline strings and am excited about trying the many hybrid set ups they have to offer!
Appreciate you for that, thank you!
Hi, Love your content for truly unbiased no-nonsense reviews. I have a 23 Vcore 100 and have tried Wasabi, Ether and Zero in a full bed at 50lbs. Ether was ok at that tension but I found Wasabi and more so Zero to be stiff. I am wondering what cross string you recommend (Wasabi-X, Sync, Enso pro, Snapper) to increase comfort and ball pocketing and at what tension you would recommend? Also, how would you compare Wasabi, Ether, and Zero to Toro Toro in terms of comfort and spin and ball bit/grip?
Thanks! I'll try to help out here.
Zero will be the most stiff in feel. It also might offer the most "feel" but Ether might be competitive in that way. Interesting Wasabi also felt too firm. Maybe a lower tension would be a good idea but hopefully not too launchy if you do that.
Zero might be the most predictable at lower tensions and maybe you can go low enough that it offers good comfort. Vcores can be sensitive to tension. Maybe something like Zero/Sync at a few lbs lower than you've tried recently.
Hard to say but that is my first thought. I think Sync is slightly more comfortable than Wasabi X and maybe better control as well. Friendly to playability at lower tensions, in other words.
Wasabi can be pretty muted. Ether lively/crisp a bit vs wasabi. Toro Toro I've only tried so much but the comfort is maybe higher than the rest. It is a softer string for sure.
Thanks so much for the info! So based on that would suggest I go with a Zero/Sync hybrid at 48 Mains/50 Cross?
I actually do sync and zero at the same tensions since 17 zero is slightly thinner than sync but sync is softer. I think they even out just fine.
But you could totally do that and you'd be fine. It's small enough to not matter a ton. You might even prefer it. Try same tension OR 2 lbs less in crosses.
Both can be great.
Question if you had a moment. What would your suggestion for a cross with Gut in the mains out of the strings you mentioned. I'm leaning sync for tension maintenance and control but would Toroline string be better because of snap back? or is the snap back going to be worth the loss in control. Want something that's going to not eat the gut and snap back but offer control. What's your take?
Good question! My instinct is to say Sync but if you go with Enso or Wasabi X on the crosses for gut in the mains, that is also sensible. These are all smooth/round with a lot of snapback. Wasabi X probably having the most and the other two just a touch behind, about the same. All of them much more than anything else I know of and I've tried so many. I think they set the bar.
Anyway, sync might hold tension the best and offer the most feel while still offering more snapback than anything else I can think of on the market besides wasabi x. If your control comes from topspin, which for me it kind of does, more spin can matter a lot.
However, the difference is so small that I don't notice spin affected. I more so notice that the snapback fades a little sooner with Sync on the crosses and it might lead to strings breaking a little sooner than wasabi x
That being said, all of these options perform so much better than other stuff I've tried so it's not as though they aren't all awesome. They are.
Let me know what you do! Why do you like gut mains? You would get a lot more spin and snapback if you had a shaped poly but I'm sure you have your reasons. Maybe it's comfort and power?
Cheers.
@@ZeroLoveTennis thank you for the detailed response, love your channel.
I'll have to try them all. I have sync which I'm trying Monday and enso pro, but I don't have wasabi x.
Why do I love gut mains over poly? It gives me the power and comfort I need while giving spin and control. The poly allows snap back and longevity to the bed while keeping the ball down, and the gut gets through the court. That's why I think 4g is the best but it's harsh and notches alittle
So if sync last longer and gives the same spin as alu rough, I may have found the perfect string. It's probably either wasabi x and sync.
I love trying to find different combos. Which last the longest and snaps back after awhile, feel, comfort, spin.
Tell you one thing YPTP and rpm feel the best best turn into rocket launchers very fast. If I can get that and it last longer then we are in business because 4g is the best and it is harsh
Very cool! It sounds like you know what you'd like to find in a string combo! I think you're looking in the right direction.
Three months in- Restring Sync vs Wasabi X as cross string?
Ha, honestly hard to say. I think sync holds tension better and might offer more feel. Wasabi would offer a little more snapback and maybe therefore spin but I've had experiences where the feel was also really good with wasabi x.
Really depends on the racquet, it seems, so it's hard to say what the definitive user experience will be but I think the snapback and feel and tension points I can say are quite truthful.
And personally, I still use and experiment with both. Can't say I have a favorite of the two.
Hopefully that doesn't sound like I'm trying to just push both. There are sooooo many potential cross strings that don't interest me at all.
Sometimes ENSO is intriguing but I think it's often a little muted and overpowered but sometimes it is good on the right setup.
Do you have a favorite?
@@ZeroLoveTennis just got some sync, haven’t tried it yet. I’m finding the Wasabi/X hybrid to be great in medium to soft flex frames and tighter string patterns, but having trouble controlling with more open beds and stiffer frames. I don’t love the feel of restring zero/ Wasabi X hybrids. Will try wasabi and zero with sync. Thanks for the reply
Maybe you like the softer feel of the wasabi mains with wasabi x crosses.
I haven't used Wasabi in a while. Wasabi X I have. I'll come around to it again.
Been a process testing my new racquets and I didn't want to mess with variables too much from what I had on the Dunlops.
Cheers! Feel free to keep me updated.
Your explanation of snapback may explain a reason (among many) Rafa has used 15 gauge.
I wonder! I'm not going to but it would be interesting to string up the medium and thickest gauges of Blast and compare.
Could be a lot of things. I wonder what he would say! Maybe because it holds tension better or doesn't break too soon? Maybe the weight of the strings plays in a way he favors? I might mess around with thicker gauges again more seriously because my Dunlop is so open.
I really liked a full bed of the 18 ga Sync. I think it could have a little better spin potential but I don’t want a higher launch angle. Do you think the 17 ga will have more spin without impacting the launch angle?
I don't think the higher gauges will give you more launch angle. I'm also not so sure if it'll add much spin. Do you feel like strings affect launch angle a lot? I don't. I feel like that is much more a racquet thing than a string thing although some strings can be "launchy" that isn't quite the same thing.
I would strongly suggest Zero in the mains or Toroline's new O-Toro string! That'll give you more bite on the ball and be an upgrade in snapback/spin potential.
Launch angle shouldn't be higher but you might have more shape to your shot trajectory with the added spin but it shouldn't be a night and day thing.
How does the stiffness of Sync compare to Zero? Any arm pains? Cheers
It's less! Sync is probably somewhere between the middle and softer end of polyester strings. Zero is closer to the higher end.
No arm pains for me either way but I can acknowledge the comfort difference sync offers.
Speaking of cross strings, have you ever tried TruPro Ghostwire? How does it rank against your favorite cross strings?
Back when it was tier 1, yes! It's a good cross but you'll lose a lot of snapback. Although, before toroline and REstring, it was high on my list but that is because there was no competition. Now, it's not even close. I think Sync and Wasabi X offer similar comfort but way better performance and now that Sync has 18g, I can't think of a single argument for why one should prefer Ghostwire over these.
Tennis bro’s, what tension for comfort and spin is better to use on hybrid set up like zero/sync and wasabi/wasabi x?
Depends on the racquet, right? On my PA98 I might do around 55-57 lbs for the mains and same or 2lbs higher on the crosses. Depends on the setup/gauge exactly but hopefully this helps.
Wasabi mains you can go a little higher than Zero since it is a bit more...launchy? Drops tension a little more and sooner as well but you may or may not notice. It is also a softer string.
But for best control/tension, I think Zero mains and Wasabi X or Sync Crosses is the best way to. Start there and figure out tension over time for yourself.
@@ZeroLoveTennis Thnx, i will try ur tension on gravity pro. Sometimes im playing with prestige mid (93inc), wanna try 47-49 lbs.
Oh dang! Gravity Pro I'd probably do mid to high 40's haha.
@@ZeroLoveTennis Ок, i will try. thanks!
@@ZeroLoveTennis You mean to try tension ~45-49? (sry, english not my native language xd)
This is very informative! 🔥
What can you recommend for string combo for a APD original & Pure aero 2019 ? Zero/wasabi X or Zero/Sync?
Also what string size and tension can you recommend? I just got back to tennis and I have zero idea on what tension I should use for the hybrid that you will reco above.
Thanks a lot! 🍻
Hello and thanks! I'd say: Zero/Wasabi for max spin. Zero/Sync for still a ton of spin and better feel, maybe better control.
Either way kind of hard to go wrong. Either will vastly outperform just about everything out there in terms of spin/durability so don't worry about the trade-offs in that way.
Highly suggest just using 17 gauge for both mains/crosses.
Tension...Mid to lower 50's is a good starting spot. Adjust accordingly by 3-5lbs if you feel it's too tight/loose the next time.
@@ZeroLoveTennis alright! I really appreciate your help! Thanks a lot!! 🍻🔥
My pleasure
What tension do you recommend for intermediate players?
Always depends on the racquet. It's actually hard to say such a thing with any precision but I would suggest something a little lower than higher level players might use.
Mid tension might actually be a good place to start on your racquet, where it suggests a tension range. If using sync, I think that range or a little lower is fine because it holds tension very well
Many polys quickly loose tension and get launchy all of a sudden.
I hope this helps. It's harder to say without knowing your racquet and generation of the racquet.
How would you compare restring zero to yonex poly tour rev?
It might be more comparable than most but it has been a while since I have tried it. I imagine it could be similar in many ways as it is regarded for stiffness/spin etc in ways that seem similar to zero
But I cannot imagine it has the snapback or tension hold that Zero does over time. I might be more likely to describe Zero by saying: it's like Polytour Rev but with better snapback and tension maintenance.
I bought some sync to try in a percept 100d, also my speed pro
Nice! I feel tempted to get a Percept again just to try Sync in a full bed haha. Might be more of a 97D guy but the 100D has some things to like if you're into flat and heavy shots but a little spin when you need it.
@@ZeroLoveTennis Thats the exact same idea I had a couple weeks ago... sync in a percept around 60 lbs like karue for maximum can't miss control... I'm, gonna try it out in percept 97
@eyeofhorus1301 you saying 60lb made my arm hurt instantly
Lemme know how it goes! That might not be too bad in the 97. 97d, that would be a little high for my taste but I'm sure it'd still play and feel fine.
I feel that
So when will ReString be available outside of Americas 😢
Same problem, some youtube guys said that we cat send a message to restring and they will make shipping to different countries. i tried, but the didn’t answer for a week yet(
@@Golikov_I have purchased zero and sync outside of the US. I'm in Asia. Possibly the first one in my country to have it even. haha.
it is true that you just have to email them. They typically are responsive, so not sure why u have not gotten an answer yet. good luck. received the strings in a timely manner too. cant wait to try sync.
try saying time410s sent you in the email haha. Maybe they've been overwhelmed by the Release of Sync but you can message again! They do hope to have a base setup out there so it shouldn't be toooo long before it's possible to order through the website.
It is available outside America. We have it here in Australia and I am pretty sure there are a bunch of distributors in Asia.
I kinda resent that I have to find different string set up for different rackets. Do you have any ideas which strings from toroline/restring that either fit Solinco Hyper G soft or confidential. I kinda don't want to ever have to think about strings ever again 🤣
I know what you mean! Getting to know a new racquet is sometimes a mess of strings and tension. Dealing with that now, actually. Surprised how high I can and want to go on my racquets but besides my drama...
I think SYNC or Wasabi X in the crosses is a wonderful way to go for pairing comfort with spin/bite in the mains. Wasabi is softer than Zero but a little more launchy. Zero holds tension so well.
Off the bat, that is my suggestion. Toro Toro is also pretty soft!
@@ZeroLoveTennis Thank you. I did hear some people talk about zero playing similar to hyper g. I need a string to tame a Pure Strike and a string to make a pro staff even more powerful. I like solinco but I want better playability. Durability I could care less about as I don't break strings until 12-30 hr mark depending on the gauge and frequency of play.
Right on. Playability...honestly, very hard to beat Zero. Sync keeps up well, too. I guess Zero is a little more powerful than some expect. Sync can be used in the crosses to tame that but also bring in a little more feel.
Zero crossed with ENSO from Toroline would give you a big power boost and still great playability. Wasabi X a little closer to the results of Sync in the crosses but somewhere in the middle.
Lmk what you do and how you felt!
To me 1.20 is a 17 at least in most strings anyway. 1.25 being a 16L
I think solinco does that. Funny, gauge size is subjective if you measure with the fractionated version of it since it's less specific. But the mm size wouldn't have people thinking one size should be another size haha, strange how we use both.
How enso pro compares to wassabi x and snapper?
Less feel, more muted but surprisingly soft although not sure I'd say softer objectively. Quite a bit more powerful! Snapback about on par.
You should try toro toro mains with enso on cross.
@@alann6523 i tried toro toro with wassabi x on cross, i prefer ether as main, but i will try enso on cross
Lmk how you like that! Sounds quite powerful and soft haha could be nice.
POV: you are on a date with time410s
lmaoooo
@@ZeroLoveTennis jokes aside, I enjoy the content
Much appreciated 😊
Now that you’ve had Sync for 3 more weeks, how do you compare it with Wasabi X ?
Do you think it’s better than Wasabi X?
I don't know if I'll ever say better. They are very close. If you want more spin I think wasabi x wins. Sync isn't far behind at all but would possibly win out in terms of comfort and touch/feel.
Genuinely hard to go wrong either way, I really enjoy both and am still playing with how they compare
I've only really found out that I prefer to use the 17g over the 18g but that might just be a general discovery for myself.
@@ZeroLoveTennis I have the 18g Restring Zero, which I like a lot, and would be getting the Sync just for the crosses. You said I think you like Restring Zero on the Mains and Wasabi X on the crosses, so I imagine Restring Zero on mains and Sync on crosses you like also? I like the looks of Wasabi X more than Sync in videos, but maybe Sync in person with Zero on Mains looks good? I like the fact Restring holds tension so well and I like their sustainable goals, so will probably go with Sync…do you recommend 17 over 18g even if I have 18g Zero?
18g Zero? I am quite sure it only comes in 16g and 17g haha double check? I do love Zero with Wasabi X but also Sync. I'm coining the term ZYNC for Zero/Sync Hybrids.
I feel you on the color. Grey is fine, it's neutral. But blue on blue looks very cool.
17g sync I suggest over 18g unless the very top priority above all is comfort but you will have less snapback and less tension hold than the 17g sync. But still very good for 18g compared to other options in that size.
@@ZeroLoveTennis yeah I double checked, they are 1.23 aka 17g. I’ll buy the 17g based on your recommendation - I have never had tennis elbow pains.
Very nice! Lmk how it goes. I think I'll try full sync soon just to isolate it's feel again in this Dunlop.
I was taking a shot every time this guy said "snapback"
Greetings from the hospital, got alcohol poisoning
Haha I might have a counter next time 🤣
Good review though! @@ZeroLoveTennis
Maybe thicker strings have more mass and inherent tension to push back and snap.
I guess also stiffer so they will bend back into form more easily but I still think the ramp idea might be the most significant. Because stringing thinner gauge at higher tension doesn't seem to help with the snapback.
Nice video, although only sitting on the couch and talking things.
But how can I put this...
I don't share your obsession of snapback and tight grommets. Half the video is about which and why and how a string snaps back into place. As if that's tje only thing to look at when deciding to use a string or not.
Two of the three GOATs use NG on the mains, jot really known for snapping back like a poly. And Rafa's Babolat Barb Wire is quite a snapper bit not the best out there.
Seems like there's more to strings than coming back into place.
I tried some of your setups, they were OKish, but up to now the best result was Zero at two gauges.
I will try Sync as a cross of course, but that will take some time. Especially because I live on Europe and shipping is a hassle.
People need predictability, no matter of the strings spin a lot or not. You can have the perfect snap back string, but when the launch angle is different all the times you will lose confidence in what you do.
I think what a lot of pros turn pro with is what they stick with and what they turn pro with is something available from their time. I don't think the fact they use it means it's the best. Gut is kind of irrelevant on tour right now besides them. I'm very confident ReString and Toroline will continue to upset the market with time.
I don't think there's anything inconsistent about the strings I talk about due to something inherent about them. I think strings like the rest which age and lose snapback so quickly are the ones inconsistent because their performance quickly declines on a metric that matters especially for spin heavy players like me
Nadal's string was RPM Blast. Barb Wire is a Solinco String.
Glad you enjoyed Zero! I hope the section of my video breaking down my thoughts on snapback and who it might matter to more put this into perspective. I said something like: I don't expect everyone to think of strings the way I do.
@@ZeroLoveTennis Well, I translated it to Barb Wire, because it is so thick that it feels like one.
I still remember the very first polys (not co-polys like now), they were really stiff like metal.
Pros cannot start their career with an NG Setup, way too expensive.
I once copied Fed's string bed, felt great and had tons of free power, almost like cheating. But after less than an hour the Alu Power was done and felt just awful.
Ans as a User of wooden racquets I can tell you that the very most consistent string is one that does not move at all.
There is some rough poly in the market for straight hitters, forgot the name.
I tried that once (years ago or something) and was just completely awesome on my backhand (but terrible ony forehand).
It is a give and take game. You gain spin, you lose control. If you gain more than you lose (or if you are happy to compensate), then the string is good for you.
And the price for snapback is....
...consistency. But easy to compensate, because spinny balls stay in, even when they fly higher than wanted.
With my backhand (one handed and flat) I can feel it. Directional control is not the Zero's strong point when hitting flat. The less snappy the more precise I hit where I want to. But the less spin I get on my forehand.
I gotcha. I think Gut is more so something from the past than it is something out of reach financially as far as the reasons as to why it is rarely seen. Once, it was all that was available. Now, it is expensive but also just not favorable for many players, despite the cost. Like I would never use it, even if I got it for free. It isn't what I want in a string at all.
I can see a point where super snapback friendly strings would have less of a place for flat hitters, as the string displacement wouldn't really serve a purpose on flat balls and might cause a lack of control whereas someone like me gets control from producing spin.
@@ZeroLoveTennis I wouldn't consider NG completely dead. Fed hasn't retired that long ago, Djokovic still uses it and is still a player to be counted on.
I'm not a gut player as well. Especially at the beginning of Summer season, when German Clay courts are soaked in water.
But I do have to admit that gut has some benefits to offer, and they're far from marginal.
You're right, it's not totally dead. I just mean it's very rare among the newer generation of top players or players in general. I'm actually not super up to snuff on the examples across the board but the two you mentioned are both from a totally different era of tennis. Fed was a big deal pretty shortly after wood was offically out. When you put it like that, it makes the gut/wooden era seem like a thing of the past.
Gut obviously stuck around since wood but it was always less and less so with time and now the main examples we can think of are current players from a different era or a retired player from an even slightly earlier era.
I wonder how much GUT was relevant because racquets were made of wood. Surely, to some degree.
Wooden racquets much less able to generate power on their own physics or spin. So those styles of today were not even possible then. So, gut, wouldn't be seen as something holding the technique of their time back. Today, and for me personally, it would be.
Hence even if you see someone using it, which is incredibly rare, it is always as a hybrid if at all, right?
Minus the more casual players.
Gut seems to offer a unqiue power/comfort unlike the rest. However, it is also sensitive to climate changes. I just can't find a reason for me to want it. I don't want more power and I have no issues with comfort haha. I think many feel the same with how dampened and powerful many racquets are anyway.
Not to diminish your points at all, by the way!
Any updates on your cross string hybrid journey ? ❤
Definitely. I am due to catch up on several video ideas! Been crazy busy, I'll update on that as well haha.
SYNC still holds it's own, I'll tell you that much!
@@ZeroLoveTennis i tried all toroline strings and all of their hybrid combos. My favourites from best to worst: wasabi full bed, wasabi/enso and last wasabi pro. So my main pick from toroline is wasabi full bed. My review of zero didn’t go as expected. I respect the tech and the behaviour but as a flat hitter couldn’t play with it. It had an odd behaviour….. it needs modern full spin cut to perform. SnapBack wise i found it even better than toro lines. But it’s not for me…..definitely a unique feeling string. So today i had my first hit with sync and unlike zero i was impressed. Another unique feeling string. The harder you hit the harder it put weight behind the ball. I found it odd that some TH-camrs tell that it’s in the middle ground of control and more towards to stiff. I found it almost 20% more comfortable than wasabi for example. I hade literally zero issues on my blade v9 while wasabi bothers me. The only downside of sync is lack of spin on slice shots and volleys when you want to cut thought the ball….. it needs more effort. It’s a string that gives you exactly what you put in…. so depending to player level others will found it powerful and others low powered. To me it plays like alu power and lynx touch made a baby. The main pro of this string is its FEEL. Great connection to the ball. Wasabi is more muted but it has more byte and more easy pop to play defence. I love the feel of sync and don’t see a single reason to spoil it by hybriding it. Now i am in a very difficult position and need more time to test: wasabi or sync in full bed ? I love them equally both for different reasons. Help me :P
Haha have you tried hybriding Wasabi and Sync? I kind of know what you mean. I would also agree that strings like Zero and these high snapback strings are more purposeful for spinny players. Flatter hitters might have less to gain although some still notice the durability.
I prefer mains to have some bite. I wonder if Ether would be a good try for you since you liked Wasabi.
I believe a shaped string def plays a role in the crosses in griping the ball. On servers, on slices and lots of shots I still brush across the ball or down on the ball. Not as much as the cross. Everyone thinks crosses need to be round but often it does not improve in anyway to a full bed of a shaped string unless you want more comfort or control ect. Otherwise it can just create a less consistent string response
I think I see what you're saying but I also feel the brushing motion of hitting is very much mostly directed by the mains. The crosses are generally parallel to the motion of the brush, not perpendicular (like the mains) and so, any shape will generally be irrelevant because a hexagon will really only bite into the ball if it's contacting perpendicular, not parallel.
But to say it doesn't make any difference at all for spin might be a stretch, maybe it does and maybe it depends on how you hit the ball on a given shot. That being said, I do it for all the above reasons as well as the comfort/feel/control etc. I think the gains in those departments vastly outweigh any effect on spin and if the crosses can allow for more snapback of the mains than the shaped full bed might, I think that can also be a favorable choice for spin.
I'm sure there are exceptions but I feel this is often or generally pretty true.
Any thoughts?
I think I depends on playing style. Federer and Novak use Alu rough. For slice and volleys or slightly inside out shots or serves, or high attacking forehands or back hands etc the crosses most def play a role in gripping the ball and giving added control.
On a different note.
What is your experience with zero full bed compared to your wasabi ex blend?
I hate round polies :)))
I hate so called self proclaimed reviewers who state of begin honest :P Everyone who dare state in their titels 'honest this and that' sure is a red flag in advance. Fanboy alert all over the place lol.
Too slippery? I like in the crosses but preferably not in the mains
Sometimes it's honest to say honest because you are being honest, honestly. But you have semi-inspired me to say BIAS REVIEW in the future haha. Could be a fun twist on titles/thumbnails.
The aero vs has spin grommets at 6 and 12 where the PA98 doesn’t, that could be impacting SnapBack
Hmm, well not to the degree it is on the example I am showing. It might have a small impact on actual strokes but just pulling/testing by hand, I doubt it. Since the spacing and so on is otherwise exactly the same and the center area of the stringbed is pretty far away from the frictional influence of the more open main grommets.
I'm sure to have Zero/Sync again in the PA98 soon!