As an RN I can tell you you do not leave the hospital 2 hours after a birth with an epidural. Nor are you allowed to eat while in labor as there might be need for surgery during the process.
I had an epidural with patient controlled analgesia. At some point I had to bear the pain just so the drug would wear off and I can feel my legs again. Apparently her epidural did not deaden her legs, hence the bouncing out of the hospital within two hours.
As a retired nurse and a mother of 5 children one of which I had an epidural and 3 hrs post birth I thought I needed the toilet ( no feeling so couldn’t tell)😂 moved to get out of bed and ended up in a heap on the floor not sure where my legs went 😂😂😂😂
More importantly, he should have requested that he and his children be removed from the Line of Succession, Consellor of State position, and renounced the Prince and Princess titles for his children as well as ALL of his royal titles (Duke of Sussex, Earl of Dumbarton, etc.). If he truly wanted privacy then he should have de-royalized himself and lived as a private citizen.
A senior royal cannot keep the birth private. Harry would know this. It could be born in a private unit as all royal babys are. It is always publicly announced because the public are thrilled for a new royal baby. Again Harry knew this. Their behavious is what created the stories. I have never met a soon to be mother ir father who didnt want the world to know of their joy. There is the case if megs bump fally down in photos on more than one occasion which might have something to wuth the rumours.
Whist surrogacy is legal in the Uk. The surrogate mother remains the child’s parent legally unless the surrogate agrees to the baby being adopted by the couple. Now there are very strict rules about parental checks for adoptee parents in the Uk and I cannot imagine either Harry or his wife passing any adoption checks. I do know that birth story was impossible though. All together I don’t know what the situation is and it’s not fair for the children to always have a cloud over their birth stories. Rumours will follow them all their life. In addition do you know Meghan is such a narcissist if she ever where pregnant we would have had every detail of her natural birth/ ability to have a child without drugs, benefit of breast feeding / why it doesn’t matter if you can’t breast feed plastered everywhere ad nauseam I don’t know about the children and whilst I,personally have no right to know personal matters, because Harry and his wife have messed the whole business up so badly they have saddled those poor children with the burden of doubt . Those kids will be traumatised by it later. I remember Harry and William growing up , I remember their time with both parents and I remember them being in the care of their father alone. No neglectful father calls his child darling boy and reads to them in bed. Harry cannot make people forget what they saw with their own eyes. .
Harry talks in his book about the laughing gas and ridiculous nonsense about Archie’s birth, but he never mentions the joy of seeing his birth and the aftermath of that amazing moment of becoming a parent for the first time. Very strange!
They don't talk about feeling the baby move, or sleepless nights, or baby vomit all over you . . . or leaking breasts whenever you hear a baby *any* baby, cry. . . . .or the outfit busters . .. I could go on. Not only was she never pregnant, they're not caring for an infant.
All I know is that I saw Megan in a black and white dress looking pregnant, but then as she walked her belly was swaying from side to side. I'll say no more, because no more is needed.
The problem is Archie fell to her knees one time, was square, changed sizes in days, and disappeared when Megsie crouched . These children were born of surrogates. Therefore, they are not eligible for the Los. The birth certificates are not signed by doctors. That is why they didn’t use the hospital and present the baby like William and Catherine. If Megsie had really had the babies she would not have hesitated to try to upstage Catherine. I was a working RN for almost 46 years. Megsie never had those children. She was never pregnant since she has been with Haz.
I wrote a similar comment to yours, because all the rumours of the pregnancy, and later the birth, started LONG BEFORE H's book. In a way, in my opinion, he only confirmed that the rumours were, well, kind of true.... what he wrote IS unbelievable.
Birth certificates are not signed by a doctor, they are signed by the registrar. I've given birth twice now and M v much looked like she had just given birth when they presented Archie to the world, her face and body were still swollen. I looked like this too, as do a lot of new mothers.
@@BMack-p9sA certificate of live birth is signed by a doctor. A copy of a birth certificate is signed by a registrar. I’m sure it differs by geographical area. A doctor does sign and acknowledge a live birth.
@@fairyprincess911 I have given birth three times and never have I had any documentation other than a birth certificate which bears no signature other than that of a Registrar.
I totally agree. There is nothing amusing about his story. Can't these two say one truthful word? 100% arrogance and despice for the readers. Disgusting.
I agree it’s the creepiest thing about these two. Instead of lying why not say it’s private and we want to keep our children’s birth to ourselves. I feel for the children in this situation. They are at the mercy of daft and selfish parents.
Yes, it is cruel to the child, and it is a fraud upon the Line of Succession. It is treason, if the kid is not legitimate. The sooner the fraud is corrected, the less is the damage. Needs to be immediately corrected. Transparency is mandatory in the LOS. For a King to place ego above legitimacy, makes him complicit in treason.
NEVER HAPPENED. Illegal in the first place. No accredited hospital would do this. Maybe a witch doctor (if you could find one) would do this, but that's not what Har-de-har said.
@@BMack-p9s "I know a few nurses, and not one but two are completely bonkers." A "few nurses"? How conveniently vague (define "few"). Given the fact that you have only admitted to knowing just "a few" (few is always a small number) means your attempt to smear all nurses by stating that "two" of the "few" were "completely bonkers" does not in any way refute the testimony of hundreds of nurses who pointed out that the stupid lies vomited up by Hank are just that, lies (lie = Skank left the hospital 1-2 hours after being given not one but TWO epidurals....no way, ducks or maybe I should have said "sugar")
Women often use the gas until the anaesthetist arrives , and they have their epidural. I have caught many dads sucking on the gas, but only when mums no longer using it. I haven’t read the book so I don’t know the context of his use, but I don’t this he should be admitting in public about inappropriate use of the gas. Lots of people on TH-cam are making money out of their stupid comments and behaviour.
@@connieh9581 I’m sorry to hear your epidural wasn’t effective. It happens some times, in those cases a general anaesthetic is required , as was your experience. Although you missed the first minutes as your baby’s birth, I hope your hospital did skin to skin with dad until the two of you could be reunited. In my hospital that is generally under 1 hour after the birth, and provided baby is well, we would do skin to skin with dad usually back in the delivery room until mum returns, but sometimes if delivery suite is really busy we will do this on postnatal ward. Assuming a mum plans to breastfeed we still usually manage the first feed in the first 2 hours after GA, and the first feed usually happens in recovery after an epidural or spinal. Therefore usually manage to get the first feed done in that golden hour after birth, but not always. No system is perfect. I hope you still felt you had a magical experience with your baby, even if it wasn’t the birth experience you expected. Sometimes you think you are going to Paris on a holiday, but end up in Rome. Not the holiday you planned and expected, but it can still be an amazing holiday. This is how I feel birth often is.
I worked in fertility and we dealt with high profile celebrities and govt officials in other countries. I questioned her pregnancy due to ankles and crossed legs and weird photos of her crouching. Now hearing his birth story from the book, it’s hard to believe anything but surrogacy.
Yes. And I think one of the things that's so difficult for regular decent folks to understand is how relatively easy it is to game the system with the money and means to do so. Most people are confounded by this idea because it would never occur to them to behave this way themselves. Bringing a newborn from an anonymous surrogate (she's paid more to carry for unknown donors), deliver safely with the best care in a top hospital, run a rapid DNA test on the baby to confirm parentage, and bring him to the arms of his biological parents just wouldn't be that difficult.
Surrogate or other, the only facts we have, fit the idea that she did not give birth herself. It's the only believable reason why the paperwork is not the same, not signed off, no one knows who her doctors were, or where the birth was, no birth records for either child.....the very peculiar birth story.....and that there was not one story from either of them about how she was feeling, food cravings or even feeling the baby move. Nothing. Nothing from a woman who likes nothing better than to talk about herself.
Yes exactly. Also, any new father would be excited to welcome kids, and show off their children whether from surrogacy or adoption as if were his own, H seems not showing much then start talking about fatherhood program,and put up on their website. Especially after so little about his kids or almost none of his father either. It just becomes bizarre for twos.
Whatever the story was about the birth it was made up, just like the one about the miscarriage. All the details were wrong and they know it. Secondly, the birth certificates that have been made public are not legal or valid. What bugs me the most is that if a surrogate was used, a second birth certificate is issued after parental release papers have been signed and reflect the new parents full names and titles. It doesn’t even say adoptive, so why can they not produce a legal certificate? That’s the story that needs to come out, especially for the sake of the children. I suspect there was a transaction not a surrogacy. If Meghan didn’t carry those children but has stated they meet the law regarding the line of succession, that is a criminal offence that carries 14 years jail!
So basically your conclusion is based on the premise that Meghan likes to talk about herself. If she didn't she must not have been pregnant and any sign of children (photos released by family on official website, traditional placing of announcement, pregnant stomach, birth certificate) must be false. This is pretty weak. First it has to be true, second if it's true she talks about herself all the time it's a jump to conclusion that there were no pregnancies when she doesn't
Not only nurses. My retired Consultant Anaesthetist friend spat out her coffee in disbelief when she read that Meghan was let out of a hospital within 6 hours of giving birth after an epidural.
the black and white dre, as she strode towards the people was UNBELIEVABLE! the bump moved independantly from her body, and as for squatting down in high heels knees together at 8 months pregnant to stroke a dog i am speechless. Whichever way if the royal family have known all along, then that is a huge black mark for keeping us like mushrooms, not good at all.
@@katiebaby60the RF have a no openly talking policy to the media. Instead, they talk to people who do not have the same constraints placed upon them. That’s how the RF tea gets leaked to the media. These rumours may actually be from the palace.. Who knows? It would fit with the then current debate over whether to give the titles to the children, though.
I've never seen either of them hold a child with affection, and if the kids show any emotion it's discomfort and a desire to get away. Those people are NOT parents. They hold kids like sandbags, or grocery sacks.
Not true in his pre mistake days Harry was often seen playing with the younger generation of royal family members also there is an adorable video on TH-cam where he is at some event can't remember what he was sitting with an adorable little girl and her parents he is eating popcorn and the little girl is calmly helping herself much to her mum's embarrassment when Harry realised his interaction with the child is wonderful. Sadly like his beautiful smile again a pre mistake thing his love to interact with children has vanished....
@@amsodoneworkingnow1978 I can believe Harry was a good-hearted person before Megaskank. He might even have been able to comfortably hold a child. Harry has no sense of humor when she's around. He doesn't stop her from saying and doing the most HORRIBLE things to help, and anyone she deems 'beneath' her station. I'm sorry for Harry, but he did pick her, after all. And he did allow her to run rough-shod over everyone. As she lied, he even sat there nodding his head in support of what was coming out of her mouth. Things he had personal knowledge of. Things he should have corrected. Things about people he supposedly loved!
A shady birth story is what gave the English Parliament the right to alter the succession if it becomes necessary. I do not believe Archie’s birth is in any doubt.
Yes! It never happened. More than shady. They are trying to fool the whole world. Did you two know that some day somewhere, someone would prove what liars you two are?
Their neighbor, who I have met several times, is not a doddery fool. Instead, he is a well known and appreciated member of the community. Finally, being old is not a crime nor an excuse for belittling him.
I was talking about Harry and Meghan’s reaction to a stranger at the gate, also I am sure the security had instruction to turn any uninvited guests away.
Tom Bower wrote in his book, “Harry’s daughter was born at Santa Barbara’s Cottage Hospital on 4th June.” HARRY’s daughter. His choice of words was purposeful leaving me with the understanding that this child has Harry’s DNA and none of TW’s.
@@thevintageread I'm really surprised there isn't DNA test done for all royal births. A few years ago they found the remains of Richard lll beneath a car park in York. In order to authenticate the remains, they had to go with relatives of his since he didn't leave any legitimate heirs. What they found out going through genetic testing, some "legitimate" members of the family appeared to have different parents. They were finally able to authenticate the remains going through another link in the family tree.
Aside from the questionable pictures and clips of Meghan with her bump, and Harry's story in his book, I always found it quite strange that there is not one picture of Harry interacting with the bump. So many pictures of Meghan posing, but never the classic one where the father-to-be is standing behind the pregnant woman, holding her bump. In his book he never mentions hearing the baby's heartbeat, or feeling the baby moving when he put his hand on the bump. With as much detail as he gives in the book, you'd think he would mention that, too. There's just something really odd about the birth stories, and for someone who's has his own paternity questioned all his life, you would think that Harry would do anything to avoid that for his own children. Instead they kept it very vague and invited rumours to fly around.
„Once a liar always a liar“ They told stories about their „wedding“ that we’re legally impossible. No surprise that they would lie about the children as well.
What upsets me so much is that, however they were born, there are two innocent children involved, and it's like this is forgotten. Are they OK? Who is raising them? What are their lives like? And how will they feel reading all this on the Internet when they are older children.
If they exist, they will be able to blame their parents for this controversy and hopefully find out why they set up the mystery. People love babies, they love royal babies, they would celebrate them. But no...
TM- RN here, the whole epidural story is totally fabricated! Nobody goes home right after having one! They are full of baloney! I also don't believe any surrogate would trust them with a baby!
Imo these children are borrowed for pictures and p r . The people who lend their children out should be ashamed of themselves, but money talks as they say. Get the truth out there now and let’s be done .
AND there are two women who should not only be honoured as mothers of Royal children (if they have Harry's DNA), but the children should be honoured too... not with the title 'Princess 'given at a spurious baptism of an American child, but with real honours as Nell Gwyn's child was. There are many children born to non royal mothers who have been accepted and honoured, Don John of Austria comes to mind , he was born of a king and a pastry cook. The American Mother would not , perhaps, want an English honour, but she might like to be recognised as someone who bore a royal child.
The Portland hospital and St Mary’s hospital had a bet going on on which hospital Meghan would give birth at. People have checked into this and found out both hospitals thought the other had won. If we’re to believe what multiple people looked into, Archie wasn’t born at either hospital. What I don’t understand is, why all the contradictory stories of the birth that are so outlandish to believe? Just say it was a private moment between the couple.
I totally agree, simply leave it as a private moment!! If Harry ever re-read what he had described as Archie's birth....then it's nice to read/ picture Archie's new Dad was 'high as a kite' when he was born! Way to go Dad! The man who will not continue generational pain on his kids But will relate a (true/not true) incident of him getting high while waiting for his birth and Mum laughing along!!?? Can't blame this story on the press...in his own book, in his own words!
The first sighting of M after giving birth to Archie is dubious bc generally your tummy is much reduced after birth, but in that picture, her tummy is still huge and sitting too high. All a fake.
No Harry’s book did not start the rumour. We watched Meghan’s pregnancys from the beginning so after 5yrs of their rubbish we know she did not carry those children. You don’t have to back me or anyone. We’ve done our research.
The rumours have been spread by her nasty vindictive siblings who have sold her out consistently. "Samantha Markle charges us to breath", "You've just written a book titled Diary of Princess Pushy's Sister, you've been trashing her for two years you little vulture!" -- Piers Morgan before June 2018 What is your research besides their contradictory words?
@@elliekay6005 I don't think so. This is one of the more rational channels than the ones that try to prove rumour. What is crazy? Those are direct quotes taken from recordings. They have been taking money from tabloid interviews and they have been spreading malicious rumour
I concur with other people. If you wanted to keep it private, then you only had to put in the bare minimum. Also, Portland doesn't use canisters for laughing gas. Also, when has Meghan ever not taken a photo op, especially a Diane moment.
Your last point of not taking a Diana pose to me is an intriguing and important one. It was dealt with weakly and with much distraction and further obfuscation IMO, with statements from MM in Oprah's chit-chat. MM, in her usual style, tosses out three, four items that she wants you to believe have something to do with the subject of the question while not actually answering the question! To Oprah's credit (can't believe I just typed that), she persisted. (But she also started the subject with a leading question, so credit taken away!) Here's what was said per a couple of articles I found so although not a transcript from that chit-chat, hopefully it's an authentic rendition of what was stated: (BTW, I'm familiar with the truth/law regulating royal titles and know how MM twisted the facts to suit Her Truth, her narrative.) "Oprah raised the question with Meghan, asking if her decision to forgo the customary photos was the start of her and Harry wanting out of their senior royal roles, "It feels to me like things started to change when you and Harry decided that you were not going to take the picture that had been part of the tradition for years?" "Meghan, having already explained that it was the royals' decision not to give Archie a title, which also meant he wouldn't have security, said in response, "We weren’t asked to take a picture. That’s also part of the spin that was really damaging. I thought, 'Can you just tell them the truth? Can you say to the world you’re not giving him a title, and we want to keep him safe, and that if he’s not a prince then it’s not part of the tradition? Just tell people and then they’ll understand'... But they wouldn’t do that." Continuing on, Oprah asked Meghan, "Was there a specific reason why you didn’t want to be a part of that tradition? I think many people interpreted that as you were both saying we’re going to do things our way?" The Duchess then explained that she was afraid for her baby's safety: "That’s not it at all. I think what was really hard… so picture, now that you know what was going on behind the scenes, there was a lot of fear surrounding it. I was very scared of having to offer up our baby knowing that they weren’t going to be kept safe."
@gibbersking6575 Yet it was again stated that there was no opportunity to take photos outside Portland. With these two joining up their misinformation needs MI5 if they are not already involved in conspiracy theories.
@@liliaramos7901 Also, since there was surrogate there was no need for her to walk down the stairs holding the baby to talk to the press and have a picture taken as other senior female members of the RF have done. As others have said, she would not have missed that opportunity for all the tea in China.
@gibbersking6575 and don't forget that to her "safe" didn't mean having physical security- Archie had that through them being working royals until he would be an adult- it meant that the RF wouldn't break the law and silence their critics. Which makes it extra crazy to make these statements, which are riddled with lies. I think she wanted to sell the first pictures of Archie, like celebrities do. And when she was told that they don't do that, she then said "then I'm not going to give anyone pictures, they can all just wait."
I am a nurse and I agree with you. She apparently went to the hospital but was home only a couple of hours after giving birth and that to me is impossible.
In the UK you can go home a couple of hours after giving birth, district midwife visits you more or less strasight away to check on you etc, you can also have home births in the UK with your district midwife in attendance. To go home after a couple of hours it would have been a normal vaginal birth etc
Unless the couple's DNA was used to achieve the final fertilised egg. If she wants future cash from the royals, they must prove those kids have Harry's DNA.
I had an epidural and a top up......even two hours after giving birth my legs had no feeling, felt as if they were made of rubber!. With the epidural in situ in my back, movement was restricted and the anaesthetist stayed to ensure all was well....I could not have stood, let alone balanced on a bouncy ball. They are keeping these stories awry, to be monetised later. Sadly, these sagas are published and documented on the internet and the children, when older can access them and will ask questions. For a man who was still questioning who was his father until he was 30, he should know better and have been open, instead of seeing £££$$$ signs - he after all wanted a secure, honest childhood.
I’m no Nurse, BUT I have been pregnant SIX times..very fit.. and never was I able to squat (with knees closed) in giant stilettos and stand straight up with absolutely no assistance.. and also let’s not forget that very cryptic tweet from KP at the time of the “birth”. The story in Spare is absolutely insane and in no way realistic; sounds more like a fever dream sprinkled with shrooms.
When MM's own father & her 2nd husband, Trevor both tell the same story of MM having a hysterectomy, then I do tend to believe she is incapable of delivering an infant.
I appreciate your character in sticking to the facts here. I am a retired nurse, my personal observations have been that a heavily pregnant woman could not do the deep knee bends with legs together in high heels as shown in multiple videos and pictures. I found the photographs the Harkles provided of the delivery room with the happy couple with Archie to not be a photograph of a newborn regardless of how cleaned up the child was, it was a staged photograph likly days or possibly a week or two later. As you have astutely pointed out, either the rumors are true or it is all contrived for the silly reason of privacy or perhaps attention seeking methods. Again, thank you!
I am watching a video now of a pregnant woman teaching expecting mothers how to do squats while pregnant. Unfortunately TH-cam seems to have removed the ability to post links in comments but you could look up Chrystal Pearl if you want to see. There is also footage of women weightlifting online.
I did.... at 8 months i just popped out... Up until 6 months, i wore regular clothes then went up 1 dress size.. As a former gymnast, i still had flexibilty... Athletes still train, run and perform while pregnant... And i worked 24 years in emergency medicine, wherby you must observe patients very closely....for minute changes... She was definitely pregnant..
@@irenedemarco1354 That’s all well and good, it MM was appearing great with child and bending like that with a real belly just is not happening. i did not look pregnant at 8 months like you, but when i had a belly, i could not collapse the belly to bend, get it? BTW, nurse practitioner here with plenty of experience, JustSayin’
What pics of them in the delivery room? I've never heard of that pic, only when they presented Archie together in a room in one of the palaces. PH did say days before the birth the exact delivery date on a interview which was odd before it actually happened.
You have a lovely personality and your information is obviously well researched. Thank you for your humorous delivery (pun?). First timer here, now a subsciber
The one thing that stands out for me is the lack of official birth certificates for either child. Every other member of the RF has a birth certificate that is public. If H & M have done all of this gaslighting simply to poke the press and the RF in the eye, and done it under the excuse of “privacy” then fine …. but then they shouldn’t expect the birth privileges (line of succession, Prince/Princess titles) without we the people getting a bit grumpy about it! And to answer you last question, we ARE being gaslighted, we know it and we don’t like it.
Didn't they have to 're-do' Archies birth certificate because before his name they put prince? or didn't Harry put Prince as his occupation? There was some issue with the word 'prince' somewhere on it. Didn't they have to do another one? Im pretty sure I read this somewhere.....
The certificates are just ONE of oh, so many red flags. It's a red-flag factory! Pregnancy irregularities, birthing irregularities, physician irregularities, nursing irregularities, children that don't move, children that radically change, children that don't grow, children that just aren't THERE, or anywhere else either, no one sees or hears them. Not neighbors, home help, friends, employees, family. Nobody but (as big of a liar as Meghan) Doria.
@@taniaceruti they did make the birth certificates public, I think it stated Harry as prince of the realm, and meghan princess of the realm, all birth death, and marriage certificates in the uk are public property and anyone can apply to see them, but Archie's was changed for some reason but cannot remember why, but I think only the copy kept at the registry office, not sure
The Portland Hospital is a bit of sleight of hand - look over here!! They possibly did go to Chelsea for the baby. The first inkling I had of the birth being totally implausible was when you, Shauna, read Harry's description from 'Spare". I instantly thought "That man has never seen a live birth". And secondly I thought, "If Meghan allowed that to go through to the keeper, she's never seen a live birth either." 🤷
Had 4 children. Kept me in a recovery room until I could feel my legs. Then had to stay in maternity room to be checked on periodically by the floor nurses. Even my sister, who had no epidural had to wait and be checked a few times before being allowed to go home.
Wonderful video and well done on the research. As an ex midwife and maternity nurse, the birth story in very unbelievable. In my experience, no woman would be laughing at her husband because he'd just stolen all her pain relief; far more likely to ensure that he never came near her again! My understanding is that we don't really know where or when the birth took place so it could have been in any of the hospitals that work with The Lister. They seem to enjoy the mystery of it all, probably because it keeps them being talked about.
What I find interesting is that from the pictures released, both of the children have straight red/ish hair. Only 2% of the world have red hair. Both Harry and Meghan have very curly hair. Harry's hair was straight until he went through puberty. The hair of black parents is usually dominant. Mixed race offspring tend to have black and often curly hair. What are the odds of both of Harry's and Meghan's children having straight, red hair?
Straight red hair at birth, maybe. However, not light blonde for either children with MM background. However, I don’t believe straight red hair. William was blonde and Harry light red when younger. However, MM dark hair would come thru stronger than the red or blonde. Elementary genetics
@@sarahholland2600yes, Harry had straight hair until puberty. His hair became curly during puberty, the same as my son's hair. However, Meghan has always had very curly hair.
I would have loved laughing gas while in labor. It was a brutal twenty odd hours of pain. I never laughed. I was horribly irritable. The epidural dulls but does not make the pain go away. Laughing gas, indeed. Henry is a toddler.
I had gas and air for most of my labour, at 10 to 11pm they said its going to be hours, have some pethidine. 10 minutes later, my son arrived...then the pethidine hit me and I was very medicated, vomited and slept all night (this was 30 years ago). I've just bought the tom bower book, I wont buy what i call 'spare us' so rely on other sources to get my harry fallacy
I agree with you and I also don't agree with fuelling rumours. I can honestly say I have no idea, and as you said Harry and Meghan have brought all of this speculation themselves. Their OTT demands for privacy have caused the rumour. I also don't like it when some 'blame' the royal family! IF the RF did know something the rest of us don't, they couldn't say anything as it relates to medical privacy.
They couldn’t and wouldn’t say anything. Period. Which probably fueled H and M’s egos, and made them feel they were pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes.
Hmm, so technically M could use the birth story against H if she divorces him. Oh, your honor he described the most intimate moments of my life without my permission and I was mortified! That plus all the ammunition he's given her.
Being eligible for the line of succession does require some medical scrutiny. Medical privacy applies to everyone except those taking a place in the line of succession.
Shauna- a few comments- 1. You are genuinely funny😅 2. I love the way your brain works and 3. I think you have better research skills and journalistic integrity than actual journos. Well done😅
I've had an epidural and couldnt feel my legs for hours afterwards. Well seeing as no one can find records for Portland Hospital maybe it wasnt there at all. Perhaps people need to be looking towards Chelsea. Easily done as Harry said how much babies change in 2 weeks when he had only been born. Also at Christening photo looked a little older than they claimed. I dont think Markle gave birth, never before have I seen a baby bump relocate to someones knees. It was also said in Australia the bump was seen in her room. But to be honest I dont care as I dont see these kids as Royal children ,the only Royalty we have are in the UK hence The British RoyalFamily 🇬🇧
What I love about you is that you report the facts as you've researched and tell it like it is. But the best part, is that you make it sound like juicy gossip but it's not gossip, it's real. It's what we all think gossip is but really isn't. I love your story telling.
I find the birth story as written in Spare, unbelievable. I’ve worked in L&D as a nurse in the past for several years. But I also can see Harry embroidering and misdirecting in his account to suit his ideas about privacy. Due to the speed at which Meghan became pregnant (for real or even with use of a gestational carrier) after the wedding, and the fact that paid surrogacy is illegal in the UK, I’ve always been skeptical about the suggestions of surrogacy. Even so, the pair of them acted very odd over many of the aspects of pregnancy and delivery of the baby. The whole thing would have been much better accepted if they’d simply followed the usual processes that had become familiar since the births of William and Harry.
Who said the surrogate was English or even in England? They have the moolah to pay so it could all have been done in America or somewhere else and then either brought to England a while before delivery or actually delivered in the U.S. and they got on a private jet and collected the child,brought it back and a little later announced the “arrival”. Don’t forget all the smoke and mirrors surrounding the timelines on the day of the supposed birth and then Harry making a mess of it by declaring it was 2 weeks ago.
Because she had to ensure that she produced an heir to the throne. I think part of the reason Megxit happened so quickly after Archies "birth" was that it was going to be exposed she used a surrogate and the lies would open a floodgate full of lies. Just incredible what these two have gotten away with.
Nothing has added up with this pregnancy and especially delivery. We don’t allow husbands to steal gas and air! We never allow mother,s to be to eat in labour. After 2 Epidurals we wouldn’t allow a new mother to leave. It’s a spinal block. She couldn’t feel her legs. We have a duty of care. It’s beyond my comprehension
There have definitely been husbands on One Born Every Minute who had a whiff of the gas. Private hospitals may let mothers eat - it's not uncommon in other countries and the "data" showing the risk of letting them eat is laughable if you look into it hence other places doing it differently. The epidural thing though... no way round that one.
As a midwife, the story Harry tells of the birth of Archie is farfetched, but as you say, he probably made up the story to hide the actual birth story as they want to keep such a personal event to themselves. Great way to set off the conspiracy theorists though. 😂😂😅
@@willeke-.-9461 yes. He could have stayed mum. But he had hubris enough to think he could spin a yarn and have us eating out of his hand. He is rather transparent.
Playing silly buggers with a child who is supposedly in the Line of Succession, is cruel, moronic and doesn't make sense. More likely, the coverup, lies are to hide the fact that the kid is not legitimately in the Line of. Succession. Nobody has the power to sanction fraud in the LOS. Not even the King.
Markle would have given the world a blow by blow commentary on her pregnancy and birth had she gone through it. 34 years on i remember my pregancy and my girl's birth and can say what Harry said about markle and how she ate etc is a load of bull
@karenturner7184 I think every mother who has given birth remembers every pregnancy & birth in their unique detail. Mothers can immediately give specific details re: each of their children's pregnancy & birth ex. this one was Always active, I craved ... with this child but with that one I wanted..., I was in labor for 36.5 hrs with "Susie" but with "Sam" it was... etc. Meghan starts nearly every sentence with "I...". There's No way she could remain silent on how pregnancy & birth effected her, how her pregnancy was the best or the whiney worst, etc. Plus, her giving birth would have given her a "new" audience i.e. how relatable she is now that she's given birth... She doesn't understand the experience at all which means she is either a mentally ill narcissist or a liar.
@@niagarafaithful5377 I agree 100% with your conclusion--she doesn't understand the experience hence no talk about it. The truth will eventually come out when it is school time. I personally think the kids are with their actual mothers.
@karenturner - I'm now 67 years old and gave birth to my 1st child, a daughter 43 years ago in February, yet I remember EVERYTHING about my pregnancy and delivery, and the same goes for my pregnancy and delivery with my son! I had horrible morning sickness with my daughter and only slightly less with my son, but in neither pregnancy did I suffer as acutely as Catherine, the now Princess of Wales. As narcissistic as "madam" is, surely she would have "regaled" everyone with how horribly sick she was (much worse than Catherine of course🙄🙄), talked of weird cravings or things/smells that bothered her, etc., yet not a word! These was no apparent swelling during her later months, no balance issues in spite of the ridiculous high heels, and of course, the squatting in those heels with her knees SOLIDLY TOGETHER! Then came the photos of the ever changing "bump" that in one set of pictures is seen falling down to her ankles! Now I hear about her miraculous recovery from an epidural to the extent that she was up and out of the hospital in a matter of only a few hours! Taking all this into consideration, I have come to the firm conclusion that "madam" NEVER CARRIED those children.
The relationship between the Portland Hospital and Lister Fertility Clinic and their surrogacy services didn't spring up overnight. There could have been an internal/informal relationship in place already for decades through referrals as well as consultants in common since the Portland is a dedicated women and children's hospital. Opening up the fertility clinic located in the Portland itself may have been a formality.
That makes perfect sense. One thing supporting that theory is the doctor Meghan said delivered Archie, wasn't even in the country. According to her husband. And the fact the Portland doesn't have any neonatal care, if something goes wrong....Meghan was well and truly geriatric...as far as "pregnancy". The fact the Portland has since had affiliation with the Lister Fertility Clinic, would almost certainly mean there was already a connection. I think you are onto something.
Since the ova harvesting was done in Toronto, the fertilization, embryo storage, and implantation were probably done there too. As for the delivery, who knows? A baby was born to someone, probably at the Portland, and the Sussexes brought him home. Whether Harry really yelled at her, "Are you pregnant or not?" when they were on their Australian trip, and this indicated she got the surrogacy started without his consent, will probably remain unknown, but they did get two of their own children one way or another. So with all the other problems these two have caused, this one is over.
Okay if they want to keep the birth private, but Not one family member has ever seen these children. Now that is alarming. Anyway one day it will all come out and hopefully it won't be too far away. Thanks Shauna for another good video.
Sadly, I'm really not surprised that people who agree with you are so angry that there are people who do NOT agree with you. I am an old woman so I am actually old enough that I remember when people were allowed to have differing opinions and disagree with each other and still be best friends. Those days appear to be gone forever. You want to test that, just go to a place where you know people are primarily for Mr. X, who is running for some political office, and announce that you support Mr. Y. You will be lucky to get out of the meeting unscathed. Same thing with pro-life or pro-choice, pro-gun or anti-gun, Catholic or Protestant, meat-eater or vegan. You just don't dare let anyone know that you disagree with them on any of these topics. I really don't understand that but then as I said before, I am an old woman so I can remember when people knew how to disagree agreeably!
The problem here all over on the internet of pictures of M does not fit the timeline and carrying etc long before Spare was out, gave lots of women questioning, blow up out then with Spare out twice blow out. Different women with different opinions spread out all over. If surrogacy ever happens, I wish to see the honest to begin with. Surrogacy or Adoption or little both as the wonderful thing for a woman who has a fertility problem. No need shame in that. Very acceptable today unlike in the past decades, if ever think about it.
I'm early 50's, totally agree. We live in a democracy, ask people what it's like, who don't. The famous saying " Agree to disagree." Some people need to get a life.
Mary Anne, It appears these days we have no right to our own opinion. If we want to have friends or be listened to, we need to express others opinions and not ours. God forbid each individual has his-her own opinion.
@@MamaMargie No, it absolutely is not as a general rule. Miscarriage is defined as loss prior to 20 weeks. Stillbirths at that point or after. Stillbirths in every state I'm aware have to be registered and remains dealt with as any infant would be. Miscarriages the laws vary by state. In California, you may bury the miscarried remains on private property.
Portland Hospital doesn't make sense for a geriatric mother, with money. Portland doesn't have an emergency, doesn't have neonatal care if there are complications. They would have had to rush the baby to another hospital.
@@thevintageread Might make more sense...but not a Hospital she would care to reveal. I thought Harry in front of the stable was a nice touch. Perhaps a virgin birth, a stalk?
I don't really get it about the surrogate stuff. I was a senior health administrator for about 35 years, and was astonished at the notion that Harry would be sitting in the delivery room sucking back a huge canister of laughing gas. As you've heard - that isn't how those medications are generally there. And I cannot imagine any nurse - ever - being agreeable and amused with a non-patient helping themselves to the drugs in a facility . You call the police for that sort of thing. And yes - leaving after an epidural. No. On the conspiracy stuff - it really is a troubling phenomenon of our times. People who get pulled into these things really get brainwashed or something and become quite laser focused on their view. I think we've all got a few people in our lives who have gone down these rabbit holes - and it destroys relationships and isolates them. The Harkles have been good business for the gossip media -- so i think they don't want to let it go. But the actual Harkles are sliding into obscurity and there isn't much to talk about.....
I have a sneaking suspicion that the birth story was a semi-creation of the ghost writer's. Two epidurals, food from Nando's, cord wrapped around Archie's neck, etc, all to increase drama!
If there was a surrogate, what was the purpose? To have a kid and not care for them? So they can be called Prince and Princess? Who takes care of the kids? Neither one of them spent time with the so called kids. There is no sign of any kids where they live, so what's the conclusión?
There is an alternative. If a surrogacy is a private arrangement then you can book the real mother into whichever private hospital you want under whatever name you like. Registering the birth - can only be done by the parent(s) of the child, in other words the surrogate alone or her and the father. Under UK law, when a child is handed over the parents apply for a new birth certificate to be issued listing them as the parents AND the original records are sealed. When claiming a child born through surrogacy the parents take out a Parental Order which the surrogate mother can only sign 6 weeks (or more) after the birth so that they child's birth can be re-registered and the original record be sealed. Archie was "born" 6th May, yet on 9th Harry commented to reporters how much babies change "in two weeks". Archie's "changed" birth certificate is dated 5th June. God back 6 weeks and you're around 24/25th April - and that would have made Archie 2 weeks old on 9th May.
I think the people that get angry are frankly just as bad as the sugars. If you want free speech you have to respect the opinions people share and the ones they choose not to share. Sad that H&M have inadvertently started these rumors by playing silly games with the press. This could possibly haunt their children.
imo, stunned Haz would drum up even more drama around his children's birth since, according to him, his childhood was a nightmare with rumors of KC3 not being his biological father. Why would anybody want to inflict this on their own children!
@@reeritz1280 Yes, I agree. For someone who suffered under unkind speculation about his parentage for so many years, why, *why* would he allow this to happen to his own children? Spiteful, juvenile rebellion against The Firm? The immaturity of these two is very sad to me, and does not bode well for happy, well-adjusted children.
There are so many inconsistencies that make people question before the purple dress/red coat bump down around her knees even happened. Long before Henry's book hit the market. And their descriptions of labor . . on TV maybe, but never in real life.
It is very scary to know that some people get so angry about a matter that really does not impact their welfare. These people must have very little happening in their own lives. I enjoy your channel because you sound so reasonable and level headed. There are some reaction channels that click bait a lot and narrate their stories in a robotic voice. Thank you, and don’t mind those who are so emotional invested in one point of view that they won’t tolerate any doubt.
He was an almost 90 year old veteran, and neighbor, easily confirmed by his driver’s license. He was trying to be nice and friendly, he wasn’t a crock pot! Would I open the door for an old man when he knocks on it? Yes, in fact I did! I was in living in London; not famous but in a position where I had to be cautious of strangers, and I did have MET security! I had this exact experience! An elderly man came to my door with a gift of a book of the history of my House! He came in and had tea!! I think you’re doing more damage to our elderly American veteran’s reputation than he deserves! This was a very unkind post, to him, saying he is a crackpot!
I was being humorous and I said in general I wouldn’t have allowed security to let him in if I was in their position. The Royal Family wouldn’t admit anyone without a prior appointment it is a security issue.
Thank you, always you give great information, I think surrogacyies were arranged in America. Archie's was two weeks old according to Harry at his first photo shoot.
I am following the Harkles as a psychological study…..also you are an amazing subject yourself well worth the study……..The diversity of opinions is absolutely astounding….I never knew the complexities of the human mind until the advent of social media…..I could not begin to explain the surprising responses and reactions to peoples comments……Absolutely astonishing… 😂
😂😂😂 The fact that I am enjoying being the object of a psychological study… does that make me a sociopath? I respond to comments governed by if my dog has chewed the couch…if he has, I am snippy and irritable if he hasn’t, I’m lovely!
As an RN I can tell you you do not leave the hospital 2 hours after a birth with an epidural. Nor are you allowed to eat while in labor as there might be need for surgery during the process.
Exactly!
I had an epidural with patient controlled analgesia. At some point I had to bear the pain just so the drug would wear off and I can feel my legs again. Apparently her epidural did not deaden her legs, hence the bouncing out of the hospital within two hours.
Especially with a geriatric birth. 🤣🤣🤣
As a retired nurse and a mother of 5 children one of which I had an epidural and 3 hrs post birth I thought I needed the toilet ( no feeling so couldn’t tell)😂 moved to get out of bed and ended up in a heap on the floor not sure where my legs went 😂😂😂😂
@@aminajibril7651 , would not happen.
If Harry wanted to keep the birth private, he shouldn’t have included it in the book. Easy.
I concur
SPOT ON!!!
More importantly, he should have requested that he and his children be removed from the Line of Succession, Consellor of State position, and renounced the Prince and Princess titles for his children as well as ALL of his royal titles (Duke of Sussex, Earl of Dumbarton, etc.). If he truly wanted privacy then he should have de-royalized himself and lived as a private citizen.
A senior royal cannot keep the birth private. Harry would know this. It could be born in a private unit as all royal babys are. It is always publicly announced because the public are thrilled for a new royal baby. Again Harry knew this. Their behavious is what created the stories. I have never met a soon to be mother ir father who didnt want the world to know of their joy. There is the case if megs bump fally down in photos on more than one occasion which might have something to wuth the rumours.
Whist surrogacy is legal in the Uk. The surrogate mother remains the child’s parent legally unless the surrogate agrees to the baby being adopted by the couple. Now there are very strict rules about parental checks for adoptee parents in the Uk and I cannot imagine either Harry or his wife passing any adoption checks. I do know that birth story was impossible though.
All together I don’t know what the situation is and it’s not fair for the children to always have a cloud over their birth stories. Rumours will follow them all their life.
In addition do you know Meghan is such a narcissist if she ever where pregnant we would have had every detail of her natural birth/ ability to have a child without drugs, benefit of breast feeding / why it doesn’t matter if you can’t breast feed plastered everywhere ad nauseam
I don’t know about the children and whilst I,personally have no right to know personal matters, because Harry and his wife have messed the whole business up so badly they have saddled those poor children with the burden of doubt . Those kids will be traumatised by it later.
I remember Harry and William growing up , I remember their time with both parents and I remember them being in the care of their father alone. No neglectful father calls his child darling boy and reads to them in bed. Harry cannot make people forget what they saw with their own eyes. .
Harry talks in his book about the laughing gas and ridiculous nonsense about Archie’s birth, but he never mentions the joy of seeing his birth and the aftermath of that amazing moment of becoming a parent for the first time. Very strange!
He wonders why we don't believe him! No reputable hospital would allow the father to suck on the gas.
He is a kid himself...how can he be fatherly ? LOL
@@Kepi_Kei The laughing gas? For whom?
Who took it Meghan or Harry?
They don't talk about feeling the baby move, or sleepless nights, or baby vomit all over you . . . or leaking breasts whenever you hear a baby *any* baby, cry. . . . .or the outfit busters . .. I could go on.
Not only was she never pregnant, they're not caring for an infant.
I agree
All I know is that I saw Megan in a black and white dress looking pregnant, but then as she walked her belly was swaying from side to side. I'll say no more, because no more is needed.
The problem is Archie fell to her knees one time, was square, changed sizes in days, and disappeared when Megsie crouched . These children were born of surrogates. Therefore, they are not eligible for the Los. The birth certificates are not signed by doctors. That is why they didn’t use the hospital and present the baby like William and Catherine. If Megsie had really had the babies she would not have hesitated to try to upstage Catherine. I was a working RN for almost 46 years. Megsie never had those children. She was never pregnant since she has been with Haz.
I wrote a similar comment to yours, because all the rumours of the pregnancy, and later the birth, started LONG BEFORE H's book.
In a way, in my opinion, he only confirmed that the rumours were, well, kind of true.... what he wrote IS unbelievable.
Birth certificates are not signed by a doctor, they are signed by the registrar. I've given birth twice now and M v much looked like she had just given birth when they presented Archie to the world, her face and body were still swollen. I looked like this too, as do a lot of new mothers.
@@BMack-p9s from memory I don’t think it was signed by anyone 🤔.
@@BMack-p9sA certificate of live birth is signed by a doctor. A copy of a birth certificate is signed by a registrar. I’m sure it differs by geographical area. A doctor does sign and acknowledge a live birth.
@@fairyprincess911 I have given birth three times and never have I had any documentation other than a birth certificate which bears no signature other than that of a Registrar.
To me, playing silly buggers with their children's births is possibly one of the ugliest things they've done.
I totally agree. There is nothing amusing about his story. Can't these two say one truthful word? 100% arrogance and despice for the readers. Disgusting.
I’m thinking they thought they were quite clever and would get away with everything.
I agree it’s the creepiest thing about these two. Instead of lying why not say it’s private and we want to keep our children’s birth to ourselves. I feel for the children in this situation. They are at the mercy of daft and selfish parents.
It does prove they are weirdos and for some reason start the rumors themselves. Why? How very strange & it isn’t funny. It’s mental illness.
Yes, it is cruel to the child, and it is a fraud upon the Line of Succession. It is treason, if the kid is not legitimate. The sooner the fraud is corrected, the less is the damage. Needs to be immediately corrected. Transparency is mandatory in the LOS. For a King to place ego above legitimacy, makes him complicit in treason.
Not to mention his story about the unborn fetus the hospital GAVE them, and they buried it under a TREE.
That's illegal and definitely a fib imo
@@LET337 my thoughts exactly.
I've had 3 miscarriages and you don't bury the baby under a tree.
NEVER HAPPENED. Illegal in the first place. No accredited hospital would do this. Maybe a witch doctor (if you could find one) would do this, but that's not what Har-de-har said.
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I am a nurse and I can clearly state that how it’s described is bollocks
I know a few nurses, and not one but two are completely bonkers.
Military persons find the same military errors in SPARE that nurses find with medical errors
Bollocks of course being a clinical term! 😅😅
@@BMack-p9s "I know a few nurses, and not one but two are completely bonkers." A "few nurses"? How conveniently vague (define "few"). Given the fact that you have only admitted to knowing just "a few" (few is always a small number) means your attempt to smear all nurses by stating that "two" of the "few" were "completely bonkers" does not in any way refute the testimony of hundreds of nurses who pointed out that the stupid lies vomited up by Hank are just that, lies (lie = Skank left the hospital 1-2 hours after being given not one but TWO epidurals....no way, ducks or maybe I should have said "sugar")
@@BMack-p9s nice try sugar enjoy spending your pennies when you get your pay check.!
If she had an epidural, why did she need gas.
I have had 2 epidurals that did not work so had to try other ways... 1/3 worked in my 3 births 😅 Sucked big time.
Women often use the gas until the anaesthetist arrives , and they have their epidural. I have caught many dads sucking on the gas, but only when mums no longer using it. I haven’t read the book so I don’t know the context of his use, but I don’t this he should be admitting in public about inappropriate use of the gas. Lots of people on TH-cam are making money out of their stupid comments and behaviour.
I had a C-section with an epidural but it didn’t work so I was put to sleep.
@@connieh9581 I’m sorry to hear your epidural wasn’t effective. It happens some times, in those cases a general anaesthetic is required , as was your experience. Although you missed the first minutes as your baby’s birth, I hope your hospital did skin to skin with dad until the two of you could be reunited. In my hospital that is generally under 1 hour after the birth, and provided baby is well, we would do skin to skin with dad usually back in the delivery room until mum returns, but sometimes if delivery suite is really busy we will do this on postnatal ward. Assuming a mum plans to breastfeed we still usually manage the first feed in the first 2 hours after GA, and the first feed usually happens in recovery after an epidural or spinal. Therefore usually manage to get the first feed done in that golden hour after birth, but not always. No system is perfect. I hope you still felt you had a magical experience with your baby, even if it wasn’t the birth experience you expected. Sometimes you think you are going to Paris on a holiday, but end up in Rome. Not the holiday you planned and expected, but it can still be an amazing holiday. This is how I feel birth often is.
She brought her own hot air?
I worked in fertility and we dealt with high profile celebrities and govt officials in other countries. I questioned her pregnancy due to ankles and crossed legs and weird photos of her crouching. Now hearing his birth story from the book, it’s hard to believe anything but surrogacy.
Or borrowed children or shady adoption which would explain the fishy birth certificates.
Yes. And I think one of the things that's so difficult for regular decent folks to understand is how relatively easy it is to game the system with the money and means to do so. Most people are confounded by this idea because it would never occur to them to behave this way themselves. Bringing a newborn from an anonymous surrogate (she's paid more to carry for unknown donors), deliver safely with the best care in a top hospital, run a rapid DNA test on the baby to confirm parentage, and bring him to the arms of his biological parents just wouldn't be that difficult.
I didn't have swollen ankles, but no way could I cross my legs.
@SamanthaGunn500 Right. Because the uterus is seated deep in the pelvis. It's not stuck on the front of the abdomen like a -- moonbump prosthesis...🤰😳
I agree if she had a surrogate she should have said so nothing wrong with that
Surrogate or other, the only facts we have, fit the idea that she did not give birth herself. It's the only believable reason why the paperwork is not the same, not signed off, no one knows who her doctors were, or where the birth was, no birth records for either child.....the very peculiar birth story.....and that there was not one story from either of them about how she was feeling, food cravings or even feeling the baby move. Nothing. Nothing from a woman who likes nothing better than to talk about herself.
Yes exactly. Also, any new father would be excited to welcome kids, and show off their children whether from surrogacy or adoption as if were his own, H seems not showing much then start talking about fatherhood program,and put up on their website. Especially after so little about his kids or almost none of his father either. It just becomes bizarre for twos.
Well said
Whatever the story was about the birth it was made up, just like the one about the miscarriage. All the details were wrong and they know it. Secondly, the birth certificates that have been made public are not legal or valid. What bugs me the most is that if a surrogate was used, a second birth certificate is issued after parental release papers have been signed and reflect the new parents full names and titles. It doesn’t even say adoptive, so why can they not produce a legal certificate? That’s the story that needs to come out, especially for the sake of the children. I suspect there was a transaction not a surrogacy. If Meghan didn’t carry those children but has stated they meet the law regarding the line of succession, that is a criminal offence that carries 14 years jail!
@@juliestanfield8433 Couldn’t agree more.
So basically your conclusion is based on the premise that Meghan likes to talk about herself. If she didn't she must not have been pregnant and any sign of children (photos released by family on official website, traditional placing of announcement, pregnant stomach, birth certificate) must be false. This is pretty weak.
First it has to be true, second if it's true she talks about herself all the time it's a jump to conclusion that there were no pregnancies when she doesn't
The RF announcement of Lily's birth said "a daughter was born FOR the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, not TO. The palace knows all.
No way lol
Shocking but suspicious
That is very telling isn't it?
I just looked this up. It is true.
It does word it that way. Interesting 🤔
I’m a nurse, laughed in total disbelief at H story of baby’s birth, didn’t believe a thing !!
Especially since I’ve birthed 3 children!
Not only nurses. My retired Consultant Anaesthetist friend spat out her coffee in disbelief when she read that Meghan was let out of a hospital within 6 hours of giving birth after an epidural.
Exactly!
Usually, first-time moms stay in the hospital to make sure everything is working correctly. The 6-hour well baby check is really important.
Well she can walk on water can’t she
it was 2 hours i believe
I've never had kids but I have a little sister and she didn't come home until 3 days later
The slipped moon bump that ended up just above her knee while wearing the red a purple outfit was what confirmed it for most of us.
the black and white dre, as she strode towards the people was UNBELIEVABLE! the bump moved independantly from her body, and as for squatting down in high heels knees together at 8 months pregnant to stroke a dog i am speechless. Whichever way if the royal family have known all along, then that is a huge black mark for keeping us like mushrooms, not good at all.
@@katiebaby60 What could the family do? Harry was of age, and not high ranking he could marry anyone he wanted..
@@katiebaby60the RF have a no openly talking policy to the media.
Instead, they talk to people who do not have the same constraints placed upon them. That’s how the RF tea gets leaked to the media. These rumours may actually be from the palace.. Who knows? It would fit with the then current debate over whether to give the titles to the children, though.
@@margaretflounders8510
No, the Queen has the say as he was still a royal.
Harry's story of Meghan giving birth in SPARE should have begun with, "Once upon a time ........"
Hahaha! Great comment. I had a great laugh.
Typical addict, telling everybody how high he got. Never graduated into an adult.
All I can say is as a mother who gave birth, I had a problem with Meghan holding her belly for nine months and the way she held Archie.
I've never seen either of them hold a child with affection, and if the kids show any emotion it's discomfort and a desire to get away. Those people are NOT parents. They hold kids like sandbags, or grocery sacks.
Not true in his pre mistake days Harry was often seen playing with the younger generation of royal family members also there is an adorable video on TH-cam where he is at some event can't remember what he was sitting with an adorable little girl and her parents he is eating popcorn and the little girl is calmly helping herself much to her mum's embarrassment when Harry realised his interaction with the child is wonderful.
Sadly like his beautiful smile again a pre mistake thing his love to interact with children has vanished....
@@amsodoneworkingnow1978 I can believe Harry was a good-hearted person before Megaskank. He might even have been able to comfortably hold a child. Harry has no sense of humor when she's around. He doesn't stop her from saying and doing the most HORRIBLE things to help, and anyone she deems 'beneath' her station. I'm sorry for Harry, but he did pick her, after all. And he did allow her to run rough-shod over everyone. As she lied, he even sat there nodding his head in support of what was coming out of her mouth. Things he had personal knowledge of. Things he should have corrected. Things about people he supposedly loved!
She had to hold whatever it was up as soon as she forgot for a minute it fell to her knees 😂
Irritated me to no end, but obviously she was holding it up 🤦
I live in the USA 🇺🇸... and nobody has walked away immediately after an epidural
Yes ridiculous!
Those people that abused you, need to take a chill pill and get a life. Your analysis are always very fair, responsible and logical.
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Agree with you I love this channel.
Definitely! I really like Shauna's channel, also Fiona Hesketh for the same reasons. ⭐🌞
I agree with you!
Thanks Shauna, not that the believers will believe you 🤣🤣🤣🤣
There's definitely more to the birth story. It was shady.
A shady birth story is what gave the English Parliament the right to alter the succession if it becomes necessary. I do not believe Archie’s birth is in any doubt.
Yes! It never happened. More than shady. They are trying to fool the whole world. Did you two know that some day
somewhere, someone would prove what liars you two are?
Their neighbor, who I have met several times, is not a doddery fool. Instead, he is a well known and appreciated member of the community. Finally, being old is not a crime nor an excuse for belittling him.
I was talking about Harry and Meghan’s reaction to a stranger at the gate, also I am sure the security had instruction to turn any uninvited guests away.
Tom Bower wrote in his book, “Harry’s daughter was born at Santa Barbara’s Cottage Hospital on 4th June.” HARRY’s daughter. His choice of words was purposeful leaving me with the understanding that this child has Harry’s DNA and none of TW’s.
Yes I read that too! I guess we will get the facts one day!
@@thevintageread I'm really surprised there isn't DNA test done for all royal births. A few years ago they found the remains of Richard lll beneath a car park in York. In order to authenticate the remains, they had to go with relatives of his since he didn't leave any legitimate heirs. What they found out going through genetic testing, some "legitimate" members of the family appeared to have different parents. They were finally able to authenticate the remains going through another link in the family tree.
But yet she looks like Thomas Markle.
Wow! I didn’t know that. I have not read any of the books about the duo or The Bench. Thanks for that information.
@@lynnS369 could be her egg but technically whoever gave birth is technically the mother
Aside from the questionable pictures and clips of Meghan with her bump, and Harry's story in his book, I always found it quite strange that there is not one picture of Harry interacting with the bump. So many pictures of Meghan posing, but never the classic one where the father-to-be is standing behind the pregnant woman, holding her bump. In his book he never mentions hearing the baby's heartbeat, or feeling the baby moving when he put his hand on the bump. With as much detail as he gives in the book, you'd think he would mention that, too. There's just something really odd about the birth stories, and for someone who's has his own paternity questioned all his life, you would think that Harry would do anything to avoid that for his own children. Instead they kept it very vague and invited rumours to fly around.
Agree.
Narcissists don't care about their own children's feelings.
Harry and meghan turn everything they do into an attention seeking drama ,they are incredibly strange ?
Can you imagine living that way all the time!! I guess some people do…
So right, they do and say such odd things, everyone is running around "trying" to make sense of it.
You are so right
VERY!
„Once a liar always a liar“
They told stories about their „wedding“ that we’re legally impossible.
No surprise that they would lie about the children as well.
I had an epidural for back problems & I couldn't have got up & walked out of hospital after only 2 hours
I admit that Harry's description of the birthing scene was bizarre, most especially them putting a photograph of his mummy in the room!!!!
Oh my goodness! If my husband had put up a picture of my mother-in-law, I would have refused to push😆
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@@nicoletteralfe733 lol!!!!
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Hahahahah you've made my day!!!!!!
The shifting bump was a pretty good indication.
What upsets me so much is that, however they were born, there are two innocent children involved, and it's like this is forgotten. Are they OK? Who is raising them? What are their lives like? And how will they feel reading all this on the Internet when they are older children.
If they exist, they will be able to blame their parents for this controversy and hopefully find out why they set up the mystery. People love babies, they love royal babies, they would celebrate them. But no...
TM- RN here, the whole epidural story is totally fabricated! Nobody goes home right after having one! They are full of baloney! I also don't believe any surrogate would trust them with a baby!
Imo these children are borrowed for pictures and p r . The people who lend their children out should be ashamed of themselves, but money talks as they say. Get the truth out there now and let’s be done .
AND there are two women who should not only be honoured as mothers of Royal children (if they have Harry's DNA), but the children should be honoured too... not with the title 'Princess 'given at a spurious baptism of an American child, but with real honours as Nell Gwyn's child was. There are many children born to non royal mothers who have been accepted and honoured, Don John of Austria comes to mind , he was born of a king and a pastry cook. The American Mother would not , perhaps, want an English honour, but she might like to be recognised as someone who bore a royal child.
They'll be better off not being with TW anyway
The Portland hospital and St Mary’s hospital had a bet going on on which hospital Meghan would give birth at. People have checked into this and found out both hospitals thought the other had won. If we’re to believe what multiple people looked into, Archie wasn’t born at either hospital. What I don’t understand is, why all the contradictory stories of the birth that are so outlandish to believe? Just say it was a private moment between the couple.
Probably because the Harkles enjoy keeping us in suspense.
Maybe they did go to chelsea! 😂
I totally agree, simply leave it as a private moment!! If Harry ever re-read what he had described as Archie's birth....then it's nice to read/ picture Archie's new Dad was 'high as a kite' when he was born! Way to go Dad! The man who will not continue generational pain on his kids But will relate a (true/not true) incident of him getting high while waiting for his birth and Mum laughing along!!??
Can't blame this story on the press...in his own book, in his own words!
@@ajune583you make an excellent point!
Valid comment. It’s funny because preteens and teenagers are quick to see things like that.
The first sighting of M after giving birth to Archie is dubious bc generally your tummy is much reduced after birth, but in that picture, her tummy is still huge and sitting too high. All a fake.
I do believe that Archie was born 2 weeks before his reported “ birthday”.
No Harry’s book did not start the rumour. We watched Meghan’s pregnancys from the beginning so after 5yrs of their rubbish we know she did not carry those children. You don’t have to back me or anyone. We’ve done our research.
the book confirmed the total stupidity of the events
The rumours have been spread by her nasty vindictive siblings who have sold her out consistently.
"Samantha Markle charges us to breath",
"You've just written a book titled Diary of Princess Pushy's Sister, you've been trashing her for two years you little vulture!" -- Piers Morgan before June 2018
What is your research besides their contradictory words?
@@DennisMcCoy-b2r huh? I think you're in the wrong channel...crazy
I don't think there are any real kids, by Surrogates or otherwise. Plus, there is No Way those kids are both redheads and 1/4 black. No Way!!!!!!
@@elliekay6005 I don't think so. This is one of the more rational channels than the ones that try to prove rumour. What is crazy?
Those are direct quotes taken from recordings. They have been taking money from tabloid interviews and they have been spreading malicious rumour
I concur with other people. If you wanted to keep it private, then you only had to put in the bare minimum. Also, Portland doesn't use canisters for laughing gas. Also, when has Meghan ever not taken a photo op, especially a Diane moment.
Your last point of not taking a Diana pose to me is an intriguing and important one. It was dealt with weakly and with much distraction and further obfuscation IMO, with statements from MM in Oprah's chit-chat. MM, in her usual style, tosses out three, four items that she wants you to believe have something to do with the subject of the question while not actually answering the question! To Oprah's credit (can't believe I just typed that), she persisted. (But she also started the subject with a leading question, so credit taken away!) Here's what was said per a couple of articles I found so although not a transcript from that chit-chat, hopefully it's an authentic rendition of what was stated: (BTW, I'm familiar with the truth/law regulating royal titles and know how MM twisted the facts to suit Her Truth, her narrative.)
"Oprah raised the question with Meghan, asking if her decision to forgo the customary photos was the start of her and Harry wanting out of their senior royal roles, "It feels to me like things started to change when you and Harry decided that you were not going to take the picture that had been part of the tradition for years?"
"Meghan, having already explained that it was the royals' decision not to give Archie a title, which also meant he wouldn't have security, said in response, "We weren’t asked to take a picture. That’s also part of the spin that was really damaging. I thought, 'Can you just tell them the truth? Can you say to the world you’re not giving him a title, and we want to keep him safe, and that if he’s not a prince then it’s not part of the tradition? Just tell people and then they’ll understand'... But they wouldn’t do that."
Continuing on, Oprah asked Meghan, "Was there a specific reason why you didn’t want to be a part of that tradition? I think many people interpreted that as you were both saying we’re going to do things our way?"
The Duchess then explained that she was afraid for her baby's safety: "That’s not it at all. I think what was really hard… so picture, now that you know what was going on behind the scenes, there was a lot of fear surrounding it. I was very scared of having to offer up our baby knowing that they weren’t going to be kept safe."
@gibbersking6575 Yet it was again stated that there was no opportunity to take photos outside Portland. With these two joining up their misinformation needs MI5 if they are not already involved in conspiracy theories.
@@gibbersking6575perhaps the palace knew that there was a surrogate so the baby is not eligible for a title!
@@liliaramos7901 Also, since there was surrogate there was no need for her to walk down the stairs holding the baby to talk to the press and have a picture taken as other senior female members of the RF have done. As others have said, she would not have missed that opportunity for all the tea in China.
@gibbersking6575 and don't forget that to her "safe" didn't mean having physical security- Archie had that through them being working royals until he would be an adult- it meant that the RF wouldn't break the law and silence their critics.
Which makes it extra crazy to make these statements, which are riddled with lies.
I think she wanted to sell the first pictures of Archie, like celebrities do. And when she was told that they don't do that, she then said "then I'm not going to give anyone pictures, they can all just wait."
Whatever the truth is, this couple are seriously emotionally and mentally compromised.
Whoever loaned H & M their children, DONT DO IT AGAIN! THAT'S CHILD ABUSE!
I am a nurse and I agree with you. She apparently went to the hospital but was home only a couple of hours after giving birth and that to me is impossible.
In the UK you can go home a couple of hours after giving birth, district midwife visits you more or less strasight away to check on you etc, you can also have home births in the UK with your district midwife in attendance. To go home after a couple of hours it would have been a normal vaginal birth etc
Well she only had to pick the baby up from the hospital so ya that would only take about 2 hours sign a few papers and off you go
Don't assume that people with a lot of money are concerned with "legalities".
This couple blew it !!! What a mess they have made !
It's plain to see that neither child resembles their "mother" at all! Not a drop of her blood in either kid.
Unless the couple's DNA was used to achieve the final fertilised egg. If she wants future cash from the royals, they must prove those kids have Harry's DNA.
I had an epidural and a top up......even two hours after giving birth my legs had no feeling, felt as if they were made of rubber!. With the epidural in situ in my back, movement was restricted and the anaesthetist stayed to ensure all was well....I could not have stood, let alone balanced on a bouncy ball.
They are keeping these stories awry, to be monetised later.
Sadly, these sagas are published and documented on the internet and the children, when older can access them and will ask questions. For a man who was still questioning who was his father until he was 30, he should know better and have been open, instead of seeing £££$$$ signs - he after all wanted a secure, honest childhood.
If Harry had stolen the laughing gas from the surrogate, i bet Meghan would have laughed.😂
Midwife here! I read this birth story too & my colleagues and I called absolute bullshit!!!
...And you can't eat before giving birth.
I’m no Nurse, BUT I have been pregnant SIX times..very fit.. and never was I able to squat (with knees closed) in giant stilettos and stand straight up with absolutely no assistance.. and also let’s not forget that very cryptic tweet from KP at the time of the “birth”.
The story in Spare is absolutely insane and in no way realistic; sounds more like a fever dream sprinkled with shrooms.
KP?
@@notbill08 Kensington Palace
When MM's own father & her 2nd husband, Trevor both tell the same story of MM having a hysterectomy, then I do tend to believe she is incapable of delivering an infant.
Where is this documented? As far as I know, Trevor has never spoken about her.
I appreciate your character in sticking to the facts here. I am a retired nurse, my personal observations have been that a heavily pregnant woman could not do the deep knee bends with legs together in high heels as shown in multiple videos and pictures. I found the photographs the Harkles provided of the delivery room with the happy couple with Archie to not be a photograph of a newborn regardless of how cleaned up the child was, it was a staged photograph likly days or possibly a week or two later. As you have astutely pointed out, either the rumors are true or it is all contrived for the silly reason of privacy or perhaps attention seeking methods. Again, thank you!
I am watching a video now of a pregnant woman teaching expecting mothers how to do squats while pregnant. Unfortunately TH-cam seems to have removed the ability to post links in comments but you could look up Chrystal Pearl if you want to see. There is also footage of women weightlifting online.
I did....
at 8 months i just popped out...
Up until 6 months, i wore regular clothes then went up 1 dress size..
As a former gymnast, i still had flexibilty...
Athletes still train, run and perform while pregnant...
And i worked 24 years in emergency medicine, wherby you must observe patients very closely....for minute changes...
She was definitely pregnant..
@@irenedemarco1354 That’s all well and good, it MM was appearing great with child and bending like that with a real belly just is not happening. i did not look pregnant at 8 months like you, but when i had a belly, i could not collapse the belly to bend, get it? BTW, nurse practitioner here with plenty of experience, JustSayin’
@@coffeeperson1461 not squats with knees together in heels, sorry sweetie i taught those prenatal/Lamaze classes… impossible!
What pics of them in the delivery room? I've never heard of that pic, only when they presented Archie together in a room in one of the palaces. PH did say days before the birth the exact delivery date on a interview which was odd before it actually happened.
You report objectively and you have humour.
I agree. We all tend to be subjective, but objectivity always wins. Thank you for your research.
Good evening. Thank you so much for your video and time love love great work 👍👏❤️❤️
You have a lovely personality and your information is obviously well researched. Thank you for your humorous delivery (pun?). First timer here, now a subsciber
I just love her style. Witty and humorous and so good natured !
The one thing that stands out for me is the lack of official birth certificates for either child. Every other member of the RF has a birth certificate that is public. If H & M have done all of this gaslighting simply to poke the press and the RF in the eye, and done it under the excuse of “privacy” then fine …. but then they shouldn’t expect the birth privileges (line of succession, Prince/Princess titles) without we the people getting a bit grumpy about it! And to answer you last question, we ARE being gaslighted, we know it and we don’t like it.
Didn't they have to 're-do' Archies birth certificate because before his name they put prince? or didn't Harry put Prince as his occupation? There was some issue with the word 'prince' somewhere on it. Didn't they have to do another one? Im pretty sure I read this somewhere.....
The certificates are just ONE of oh, so many red flags. It's a red-flag factory! Pregnancy irregularities, birthing irregularities, physician irregularities, nursing irregularities, children that don't move, children that radically change, children that don't grow, children that just aren't THERE, or anywhere else either, no one sees or hears them. Not neighbors, home help, friends, employees, family. Nobody but (as big of a liar as Meghan) Doria.
@@taniaceruti they did make the birth certificates public, I think it stated Harry as prince of the realm, and meghan princess of the realm, all birth death, and marriage certificates in the uk are public property and anyone can apply to see them, but Archie's was changed for some reason but cannot remember why, but I think only the copy kept at the registry office, not sure
If MM were a different kind of person, I don’t think that degree of anger would be there.
The Portland Hospital is a bit of sleight of hand - look over here!! They possibly did go to Chelsea for the baby. The first inkling I had of the birth being totally implausible was when you, Shauna, read Harry's description from 'Spare". I instantly thought "That man has never seen a live birth". And secondly I thought, "If Meghan allowed that to go through to the keeper, she's never seen a live birth either." 🤷
You might be right that is why I told everybody about Chelsea but I can’t prove it so I had to say that too.
All they had to do was watch some videos online.
Maybe William Shatner can figure it out on the Unexplained 😂😂
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Harry has had to deal with his "parentage" rumours all his life. Why would he then inflict the same doubt/rumours on his own children?
Yes I made a video about that! I agree.
After an epidural it is important to FEEL YOUR LEGS before you go home!
Had 4 children. Kept me in a recovery room until I could feel my legs. Then had to stay in maternity room to be checked on periodically by the floor nurses. Even my sister, who had no epidural had to wait and be checked a few times before being allowed to go home.
Laughed while her husband huffed her pain relief? I was pissed, that my husband was eating chocolate chip cookies!
Don’t blame you! 😂
I thought the same!
Wonderful video and well done on the research. As an ex midwife and maternity nurse, the birth story in very unbelievable. In my experience, no woman would be laughing at her husband because he'd just stolen all her pain relief; far more likely to ensure that he never came near her again! My understanding is that we don't really know where or when the birth took place so it could have been in any of the hospitals that work with The Lister. They seem to enjoy the mystery of it all, probably because it keeps them being talked about.
I had an epidural to repair my hip, you certainly can’t just get up and go lol
What I find interesting is that from the pictures released, both of the children have straight red/ish hair. Only 2% of the world have red hair. Both Harry and Meghan have very curly hair. Harry's hair was straight until he went through puberty. The hair of black parents is usually dominant. Mixed race offspring tend to have black and often curly hair. What are the odds of both of Harry's and Meghan's children having straight, red hair?
All of Diana's siblings had straight red hair tho so it could he from her genes. Harrys hair wasnt curly when he was a child if you go back & look.
Straight red hair at birth, maybe. However, not light blonde for either children with MM background. However, I don’t believe straight red hair. William was blonde and Harry light red when younger. However, MM dark hair would come thru stronger than the red or blonde. Elementary genetics
@@sarahholland2600yes, Harry had straight hair until puberty. His hair became curly during puberty, the same as my son's hair. However, Meghan has always had very curly hair.
Meghan’s father’s family had red hair as well. Archie looked just like Meghan’s father as a baby
@@georgiabelle5176WHAT RUBBISH. ALL BABIES HAVE LOOKS WHICH CHANGE BY THE DAY.
I would have loved laughing gas while in labor. It was a brutal twenty odd hours of pain. I never laughed. I was horribly irritable. The epidural dulls but does not make the pain go away. Laughing gas, indeed. Henry is a toddler.
I gave birth Twice with not so much as an aspirin, 28 and the 20 hours of labour and excruciating pain but 2 lovely babies.
@@veronicaroy1766 I have a lovely daughter🥰 as well🩵
I had gas and air for most of my labour, at 10 to 11pm they said its going to be hours, have some pethidine. 10 minutes later, my son arrived...then the pethidine hit me and I was very medicated, vomited and slept all night (this was 30 years ago). I've just bought the tom bower book, I wont buy what i call 'spare us' so rely on other sources to get my harry fallacy
I agree with you and I also don't agree with fuelling rumours. I can honestly say I have no idea, and as you said Harry and Meghan have brought all of this speculation themselves. Their OTT demands for privacy have caused the rumour. I also don't like it when some 'blame' the royal family! IF the RF did know something the rest of us don't, they couldn't say anything as it relates to medical privacy.
They couldn’t and wouldn’t say anything. Period. Which probably fueled H and M’s egos, and made them feel they were pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes.
Hmm, so technically M could use the birth story against H if she divorces him. Oh, your honor he described the most intimate moments of my life without my permission and I was mortified! That plus all the ammunition he's given her.
Being eligible for the line of succession does require some medical scrutiny. Medical privacy applies to everyone except those taking a place in the line of succession.
Shauna- a few comments- 1. You are genuinely funny😅 2. I love the way your brain works and 3. I think you have better research skills and journalistic integrity than actual journos. Well done😅
There is no way I could have walked out of hospital after epi-dural...3 births and some other surgeries. 😷😷
Lol "Peace" ☮️☮️
I've had an epidural and couldnt feel my legs for hours afterwards. Well seeing as no one can find records for Portland Hospital maybe it wasnt there at all. Perhaps people need to be looking towards Chelsea. Easily done as Harry said how much babies change in 2 weeks when he had only been born. Also at Christening photo looked a little older than they claimed. I dont think Markle gave birth, never before have I seen a baby bump relocate to someones knees. It was also said in Australia the bump was seen in her room. But to be honest I dont care as I dont see these kids as Royal children ,the only Royalty we have are in the UK hence The British RoyalFamily 🇬🇧
Yes maybe Chelsea is the key?
In Australia, she would not have needed a baby bump because she was only about 6 weeks 'pregnant'.
What I love about you is that you report the facts as you've researched and tell it like it is. But the best part, is that you make it sound like juicy gossip but it's not gossip, it's real. It's what we all think gossip is but really isn't. I love your story telling.
Surrogacy is the VERY BEST case scenario.
Its been a thing for a long while and surely they could have done that privately or even abroad
I find the birth story as written in Spare, unbelievable. I’ve worked in L&D as a nurse in the past for several years. But I also can see Harry embroidering and misdirecting in his account to suit his ideas about privacy.
Due to the speed at which Meghan became pregnant (for real or even with use of a gestational carrier) after the wedding, and the fact that paid surrogacy is illegal in the UK, I’ve always been skeptical about the suggestions of surrogacy. Even so, the pair of them acted very odd over many of the aspects of pregnancy and delivery of the baby. The whole thing would have been much better accepted if they’d simply followed the usual processes that had become familiar since the births of William and Harry.
Who said the surrogate was English or even in England? They have the moolah to pay so it could all have been done in America or somewhere else and then either brought to England a while before delivery or actually delivered in the U.S. and they got on a private jet and collected the child,brought it back and a little later announced the “arrival”. Don’t forget all the smoke and mirrors surrounding the timelines on the day of the supposed birth and then Harry making a mess of it by declaring it was 2 weeks ago.
IT's not just Harry. The wife has been part of it as well.
If they wanted to keep the birth story private, WHY NOT KEEP IT PRIVATE??? Don't talk/ write about it!! How hard is that???!!!
You make a very sensible point!
Because she had to ensure that she produced an heir to the throne. I think part of the reason Megxit happened so quickly after Archies "birth" was that it was going to be exposed she used a surrogate and the lies would open a floodgate full of lies. Just incredible what these two have gotten away with.
Nothing has added up with this pregnancy and especially delivery. We don’t allow husbands to steal gas and air! We never allow mother,s to be to eat in labour. After 2 Epidurals we wouldn’t allow a new mother to leave. It’s a spinal block. She couldn’t feel her legs. We have a duty of care. It’s beyond my comprehension
There have definitely been husbands on One Born Every Minute who had a whiff of the gas. Private hospitals may let mothers eat - it's not uncommon in other countries and the "data" showing the risk of letting them eat is laughable if you look into it hence other places doing it differently. The epidural thing though... no way round that one.
As a midwife, the story Harry tells of the birth of Archie is farfetched, but as you say, he probably made up the story to hide the actual birth story as they want to keep such a personal event to themselves. Great way to set off the conspiracy theorists though. 😂😂😅
Bet most of that book was made up!
Well, Spare was meant to tell the truth, Harry's truth. He could have skipped most the birth story if he wanted what really happened to be private.
@@willeke-.-9461 yes. He could have stayed mum. But he had hubris enough to think he could spin a yarn and have us eating out of his hand. He is rather transparent.
@@carolwillingham7605disgusting behavior. Insulting to readers, especially those who purchased Spare.
Playing silly buggers with a child who is supposedly in the Line of Succession, is cruel, moronic and doesn't make sense. More likely, the coverup, lies are to hide the fact that the kid is not legitimately in the Line of. Succession. Nobody has the power to sanction fraud in the LOS. Not even the King.
Eventually those wee children will grow up and tell their own version of their up bringing.
Love your channel because you have so much integrity and common sense! ❤❤
Thank you so much!
Markle would have given the world a blow by blow commentary on her pregnancy and birth had she gone through it. 34 years on i remember my pregancy and my girl's birth and can say what Harry said about markle and how she ate etc is a load of bull
@karenturner7184 I think every mother who has given birth remembers every pregnancy & birth in their unique detail. Mothers can immediately give specific details re: each of their children's pregnancy & birth ex. this one was Always active, I craved ... with this child but with that one I wanted..., I was in labor for 36.5 hrs with "Susie" but with "Sam" it was... etc. Meghan starts nearly every sentence with "I...". There's No way she could remain silent on how pregnancy & birth effected her, how her pregnancy was the best or the whiney worst, etc. Plus, her giving birth would have given her a "new" audience i.e. how relatable she is now that she's given birth... She doesn't understand the experience at all which means she is either a mentally ill narcissist or a liar.
@@niagarafaithful5377 I agree 100% with your conclusion--she doesn't understand the experience hence no talk about it. The truth will eventually come out when it is school time. I personally think the kids are with their actual mothers.
@karenturner - I'm now 67 years old and gave birth to my 1st child, a daughter 43 years ago in February, yet I remember EVERYTHING about my pregnancy and delivery, and the same goes for my pregnancy and delivery with my son! I had horrible morning sickness with my daughter and only slightly less with my son, but in neither pregnancy did I suffer as acutely as Catherine, the now Princess of Wales. As narcissistic as "madam" is, surely she would have "regaled" everyone with how horribly sick she was (much worse than Catherine of course🙄🙄), talked of weird cravings or things/smells that bothered her, etc., yet not a word! These was no apparent swelling during her later months, no balance issues in spite of the ridiculous high heels, and of course, the squatting in those heels with her knees SOLIDLY TOGETHER! Then came the photos of the ever changing "bump" that in one set of pictures is seen falling down to her ankles! Now I hear about her miraculous recovery from an epidural to the extent that she was up and out of the hospital in a matter of only a few hours! Taking all this into consideration, I have come to the firm conclusion that "madam" NEVER CARRIED those children.
I had a c-section and I could not walk for about 24 hours, let alone go home. 🇬🇧
The relationship between the Portland Hospital and Lister Fertility Clinic and their surrogacy services didn't spring up overnight. There could have been an internal/informal relationship in place already for decades through referrals as well as consultants in common since the Portland is a dedicated women and children's hospital. Opening up the fertility clinic located in the Portland itself may have been a formality.
You seem to be joining the dots. 😉
Thank you for your comment, a lot of food for thought here....
That makes perfect sense. One thing supporting that theory is the doctor Meghan said delivered Archie, wasn't even in the country. According to her husband. And the fact the Portland doesn't have any neonatal care, if something goes wrong....Meghan was well and truly geriatric...as far as "pregnancy". The fact the Portland has since had affiliation with the Lister Fertility Clinic, would almost certainly mean there was already a connection. I think you are onto something.
I was of that opinion too.
Since the ova harvesting was done in Toronto, the fertilization, embryo storage, and implantation were probably done there too. As for the delivery, who knows? A baby was born to someone, probably at the Portland, and the Sussexes brought him home. Whether Harry really yelled at her, "Are you pregnant or not?" when they were on their Australian trip, and this indicated she got the surrogacy started without his consent, will probably remain unknown, but they did get two of their own children one way or another. So with all the other problems these two have caused, this one is over.
Okay if they want to keep the birth private, but Not one family member has ever seen these children. Now that is alarming. Anyway one day it will all come out and hopefully it won't be too far away.
Thanks Shauna for another good video.
Sadly, I'm really not surprised that people who agree with you are so angry that there are people who do NOT agree with you. I am an old woman so I am actually old enough that I remember when people were allowed to have differing opinions and disagree with each other and still be best friends. Those days appear to be gone forever. You want to test that, just go to a place where you know people are primarily for Mr. X, who is running for some political office, and announce that you support Mr. Y. You will be lucky to get out of the meeting unscathed. Same thing with pro-life or pro-choice, pro-gun or anti-gun, Catholic or Protestant, meat-eater or vegan. You just don't dare let anyone know that you disagree with them on any of these topics. I really don't understand that but then as I said before, I am an old woman so I can remember when people knew how to disagree agreeably!
I remember that too! 💗😊
The problem here all over on the internet of pictures of M does not fit the timeline and carrying etc long before Spare was out, gave lots of women questioning, blow up out then with Spare out twice blow out. Different women with different opinions spread out all over. If surrogacy ever happens, I wish to see the honest to begin with. Surrogacy or Adoption or little both as the wonderful thing for a woman who has a fertility problem. No need shame in that. Very acceptable today unlike in the past decades, if ever think about it.
I can confirm that it used to be possible to agree to disagree.
I'm early 50's, totally agree. We live in a democracy, ask people what it's like, who don't. The famous saying " Agree to disagree." Some people need to get a life.
Mary Anne, It appears these days we have no right to our own opinion. If we want to have friends or be listened to, we need to express others opinions and not ours. God forbid each individual has his-her own opinion.
It was the changing moon bump that convinced me that MM did not carry her babies!
about as ridiculous as them burying their miscarriage under tree in backyard.
Which is illegal in US.
@@MamaMargie No, it absolutely is not as a general rule. Miscarriage is defined as loss prior to 20 weeks. Stillbirths at that point or after. Stillbirths in every state I'm aware have to be registered and remains dealt with as any infant would be. Miscarriages the laws vary by state. In California, you may bury the miscarried remains on private property.
Shauna, you continually impress me with your research, your reviews and your comments! You are amazing!🇨🇦💕👏🏻👀👏🏻💕🥰👍💕🇨🇦
Oh thank you!
And if my husband had taken my gas and air - I would’ve killed him not laugh
Portland Hospital doesn't make sense for a geriatric mother, with money. Portland doesn't have an emergency, doesn't have neonatal care if there are complications. They would have had to rush the baby to another hospital.
Maybe Chelsea? 😎
@@thevintageread Might make more sense...but not a Hospital she would care to reveal. I thought Harry in front of the stable was a nice touch. Perhaps a virgin birth, a stalk?
I'm a nurse too !!!!!! and I agree with my follow nurses XX
I am in total agreement. I was a RN for more than 25 years Birthed 3 full term babies, and miscarried 4 more.....
I don't really get it about the surrogate stuff. I was a senior health administrator for about 35 years, and was astonished at the notion that Harry would be sitting in the delivery room sucking back a huge canister of laughing gas. As you've heard - that isn't how those medications are generally there. And I cannot imagine any nurse - ever - being agreeable and amused with a non-patient helping themselves to the drugs in a facility . You call the police for that sort of thing. And yes - leaving after an epidural. No. On the conspiracy stuff - it really is a troubling phenomenon of our times. People who get pulled into these things really get brainwashed or something and become quite laser focused on their view. I think we've all got a few people in our lives who have gone down these rabbit holes - and it destroys relationships and isolates them. The Harkles have been good business for the gossip media -- so i think they don't want to let it go. But the actual Harkles are sliding into obscurity and there isn't much to talk about.....
Thank goodness they are sliding into obscurity.
If you want to keep the birth story private, say nothing!
Cooking up lies just confirms you are a liar and have no credibility.
Too much info out there and too much Royal protocol and recent practice surrounding the birth and baby display to stay quiet.
Agreed. A very spoiled teen sort of thing to do.
@@carolwillingham7605 Ridiculous to put out a story that doesn’t not hold up to scrutiny.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the birth story was a semi-creation of the ghost writer's. Two epidurals, food from Nando's, cord wrapped around Archie's neck, etc, all to increase drama!
Definitely a possibility also MM helped with the story.
People who get angry because they don’t want to admit their lies.
If there was a surrogate, what was the purpose? To have a kid and not care for them? So they can be called Prince and Princess? Who takes care of the kids? Neither one of them spent time with the so called kids. There is no sign of any kids where they live, so what's the conclusión?
Like her marriage , to tie herself to the Royal family. She is also crazy re. Diana and wanted her grandchildren.
There is an alternative. If a surrogacy is a private arrangement then you can book the real mother into whichever private hospital you want under whatever name you like.
Registering the birth - can only be done by the parent(s) of the child, in other words the surrogate alone or her and the father. Under UK law, when a child is handed over the parents apply for a new birth certificate to be issued listing them as the parents AND the original records are sealed. When claiming a child born through surrogacy the parents take out a Parental Order which the surrogate mother can only sign 6 weeks (or more) after the birth so that they child's birth can be re-registered and the original record be sealed.
Archie was "born" 6th May, yet on 9th Harry commented to reporters how much babies change "in two weeks". Archie's "changed" birth certificate is dated 5th June. God back 6 weeks and you're around 24/25th April - and that would have made Archie 2 weeks old on 9th May.
Thank you Shauna.
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Don’t ever change!!!
I think the people that get angry are frankly just as bad as the sugars. If you want free speech you have to respect the opinions people share and the ones they choose not to share. Sad that H&M have inadvertently started these rumors by playing silly games with the press. This could possibly haunt their children.
Spot on.
That is how I see it. They've done more harm to their own cause than any speculation. They could just silence it all but instead they feed it. Why?
imo, stunned Haz would drum up even more drama around his children's birth since, according to him, his childhood was a nightmare with rumors of KC3 not being his biological father. Why would anybody want to inflict this on their own children!
@@reeritz1280 Yes, I agree. For someone who suffered under unkind speculation about his parentage for so many years, why, *why* would he allow this to happen to his own children? Spiteful, juvenile rebellion against The Firm? The immaturity of these two is very sad to me, and does not bode well for happy, well-adjusted children.
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It would seem that it was the surrogate who had the epidural. They just sat around eating and clowning around whilst this woman was in labour.
That is what Harry made it seem like!
The Harkles have been responsible for their own comeuppance. They aren’t smart enough to hold up to scrutiny. Then they have the nerve to be offended?
Constant stream of nasty. So gross.
There are so many inconsistencies that make people question before the purple dress/red coat bump down around her knees even happened. Long before Henry's book hit the market.
And their descriptions of labor . . on TV maybe, but never in real life.
Burying a fetus under a tree 🤔 dont feel like the truth at lest for them
It is very scary to know that some people get so angry about a matter that really does not impact their welfare. These people must have very little happening in their own lives. I enjoy your channel because you sound so reasonable and level headed. There are some reaction channels that click bait a lot and narrate their stories in a robotic voice. Thank you, and don’t mind those who are so emotional invested in one point of view that they won’t tolerate any doubt.
He was an almost 90 year old veteran, and neighbor, easily confirmed by his driver’s license. He was trying to be nice and friendly, he wasn’t a crock pot! Would I open the door for an old man when he knocks on it? Yes, in fact I did! I was in living in London; not famous but in a position where I had to be cautious of strangers, and I did have MET security! I had this exact experience! An elderly man came to my door with a gift of a book of the history of my House! He came in and had tea!!
I think you’re doing more damage to our elderly American veteran’s reputation than he deserves! This was a very unkind post, to him, saying he is a crackpot!
Agree.
I was being humorous and I said in general I wouldn’t have allowed security to let him in if I was in their position. The Royal Family wouldn’t admit anyone without a prior appointment it is a security issue.
Thank you, always you give great information,
I think surrogacyies were arranged in America. Archie's was two weeks old according to Harry at his first photo shoot.
I am following the Harkles as a psychological study…..also you are an amazing subject yourself well worth the study……..The diversity of opinions is absolutely astounding….I never knew the complexities of the human mind until the advent of social media…..I could not begin to explain the surprising responses and reactions to peoples comments……Absolutely astonishing…
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😂😂😂 The fact that I am enjoying being the object of a psychological study… does that make me a sociopath? I respond to comments governed by if my dog has chewed the couch…if he has, I am snippy and irritable if he hasn’t, I’m lovely!
@@thevintageread See, see, that’s what I am talking about…..😂😂 Remarkable, pun not intended….
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