Dostoevsky is unbelievably brilliant. He succeeds in making the greatest argument for Christ by making one of the greatest arguments against Christ ever imagined. Pure genius. Just unreal.
Its breathtaking. And 'Experto Crede', friend, there have been, and are many, many Princes of the Roman and Jesuit Curia's that are more or less exactly as how the Grand Inquisitior was portrayed. Id highly recommend (with a word of warning first; you may uncover something unsavory) delving into the Esoteric history of the Vatican, and more specifically the Jesuit Order. John Poynders History of the Jesuits in two volumes, is a masterpiece, as is John Adam's (not written by him, but owned) History of the Jesuits written in 4 volumes of twelve. Or if annal searching isn't your parte, I would reccomend this video of historic citations about the Order: th-cam.com/video/ypRb8Z3dMRs/w-d-xo.html (Only this video by Worldslastchance, I cannot reccomend any other content by them) Also, I have a personal composition of citations, which is quite extensive: docs.google.com/document/d/1wq6vGNyFRSQ2qMdXbEPnB6wR5EiCltdysG8bKcHeGMk/edit?usp=drivesdk
When I read this section in The Brothers Karamazov, I was struck cold. The reasoning of the inquisitor was impeccably hard to refute yet I had the intense need to do so. Chilling.
i mean one side is saying man is too weak to be allowed free choice and the truth, i dont see how someone could side with the inquisitor not knocking you just my two cents
@@collidgemart7959 The inquisitor's argument is that god could easily reveal himself to the whole world...ending centuries of war, and suffering. The proverbial shackles would be the obviousness of God's existence through the practice of miracles, the turning of stone to bread, his son held up by angels, and holding dominion of the whole world. Instead, we are left to our own devices with only a blurred image of him to guide us, and that simply isn't enough for the vast majority of people...and god knew that. Who then will convince these millions, and how?
How sick and criminal was the RC Pope? Jesus never commanded anyone be harmed or forced to follow Him. Just as sick and criminal as keeping the Bible in Latin for 1200 years so no common man could read it. Just as sick and criminal as ordering military crusades against Jews and Muslims.
He also arguably invented the concept of the anti hero: the person who does the wrong thing for the right reason or, the right thing for the wrong reason. If there was no Dostoyevsky there might not be no spaghetti western ala 'man with no name'. He helped to make Clint Eastwood look good! And Columbo was also partially based around Porfiry Petrovich, the gentle detective from Crime and Punishment.
WOW! I've just read this chapter from "The Brothers Karamazov" and I admit that Dostoevsky really moved and woke up my mind! Now I am thinking a lot about everything! about god, about our faith, about Jesus and about our Universe entirely! Dostoevsky was truly Genius!
Homer as a historical figure never existed. He is basically a composite of the unknown, unnamed oral and written story-tellers down through the ages who told, retold and embellished the myths and legends.
@Snaggle Toothed What you're saying doesn't make sense. First, it's not comparable to Homer and Zeus, because understanding of or believing in Zeus and other Greek deities isn't essential to understanding of Homer's works (for various reasons I don't have time to go into right now). Dostoevsky on the other hand made the relation between humans and Christ the focal point of many of his works, and TBK most of all. And in TBK, TGI chapter is almost entirely focused on that subject. And, since there are numerous interpretations of TGI, it is rather important to remember that a believer wrote it. It's also important to remember that he chose a non-believer character to be "the author" of the poem itself in the novel. Disregarding all that as irrelevant is just ridiculous. Now, I'd never say that Dostoevsky doesn't make sense for readers who don't believe in Christ, because the perspective as described (a believer speaking through the character who's a non-believer) is complex enough to enable practically anyone, no matter where they stand on religion, to understand and appreciate what's going on. Dostoevsky was writing for atheists as well, he was actually addressing them with his novels. But he was doing all that as a true believer. If you tend to simplify the matter of religion down to "I've never seen evidence that Jesus existed so there is no Jesus", as your somewhat arrogant replies suggest, I don't think there's a lot you can understand or enjoy in Dostoevsky's works, but at the end of the day it's your choice what to read.
That would destroy even more what the Inquisitor has "corrected" in order to protect man. There is no reason for those who have "laid their freedom" at his feet to know what everything is about, for his freedom becomes last and his hapiness first. As Nietzsche foretold, the death of god would only bring suffering to man. the meta-narrative is gone and today man will only drown in nihilism insted of peace of mind.
"Dostoevsky gives me more than any scientist, more than Gauss! Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
@@MarlboroughBlenheim1 There are too many to mention to be honest. I don’t see what all the fuss is about this book… Moby Dick, per example, is far far superior, in every single sense of what a novel can do. But I guess the BK is somehow very important to Christians who have at times wavered in their faith. And big D certainly has some moments of genius insight, no doubt. Still, overlong and quite silly novel IMO.
@@lukehunnable moby dick? I don’t think anyone who seriously understands literature would suggest that Dostoyevsky’s Brothers Karamazov is second to moby dick. BK deals with deep philosophical issues and Freud thought it was the greatest novel ever written about human psychology. Moby dick is a great story but doesn’t even begin to address the deeper moral truths that Dostoyevsky does. I’m not sure you’ve read BK.
@@MarlboroughBlenheim1 Why does it matter what Freud thought about it? I don’t seriously understand literature but literature isn’t in the category of philosophy, and that’s for a reason. Literature is an artistic exploit, through words. Words must convey meaning and emotion beyond their etymology and semantic value. To do this, all sorts of techniques can be employed. Big D employs none of them. He writes more like a playwright than a great novelist. Moby Dick is so much better written and so much more evocative and imaginative through the use of words, that it’s not even in the same league. It also deals with big ideas, but does so in a much more subdued manner, not a preachy and heavy handed one like Mr. D. I do believe D was a genius, had amazing insights and imagination, but, as a writer, he falls short a lot of the time. Inconsistent rhythm, characters who are totally different but somehow speak the same, no details on surroundings and their affect on characters’ moods, meandering sub-plots that add little to overarching theme. As a philosopher, grappling with these same ideas, Nietzsche is also on another planet, clearly. What the BK takes 1000 pages to expose and critique, Nietzsche can do in one page, and more explosively and controversially. And, again, who cares that Nietzsche also looked up to Mr. D? Michelangelo also looked up to Bertoldo di Giovanni, but surpassed him. So, even though I think he’s great, I do believe people exaggerate and have developed a sort of tunnel vision towards him. The Russians consider him to be nowhere near Pushkin, Tolstoy and Gogol, so that should tell you something. I have just finished BK, have you read Moby Dick?
@@lukehunnable that’s your view, which I don’t accept. Literature is an art form and can be philosophical or anything that the writer wants it to be. Good literature says something about the human condition and what can offer more insights into moral and philosophical ideas than this? Shakespeare and Dostoyevsky and others do this and whether you like it or it’s to your taste - and it is challenging and complex and not easy to access - then that is a reflection of your likes and dislikes, not on the writer’s ability. If you haven’t read BK then I can’t take seriously your critique of it. There is a reason that certain literature is heralded years and years later.
As a Christian, I do the same. I have had many experiences that strengthen my faith in God, and yet at the same time, I have never shied away from any form of knowledge. Along the way, there have been times where my confidence in God has waned, but this has always adjusted and balanced out as I have learned more. I don't mind that you don't believe, but understand that that doesn't necessarily mean you are open. It could be that your upbringing has left you closed to other forms of truth.
The reason we experience the presence of God when we serve others- when we love others, is because we Go to the place where God is. We draw on that unending well, and we live in that eternal way. The reason people run to God when they hit their lowest is because they have gone to the place where God is. They are cradled in his arms. God makes himself as nothing, and shows himself to be God by doing just this.
Simply put: Theology turned truth on itself to justify its war against Christ. The response of the Almighty, through the years, is ultimate silence of love and grace
well, isn't that convenient: punish the entire human race because of the ills of a few theologians. The silence and absence of the Christian God is probably much more easily explained by the idea that it was all a bunch of horse dung from the outset!...
Of all things that Christ could have said in response, his kiss is by far the most powerful. Like in Demons, the most Godly in the world have more power than imaginable in the words "I forgive you, before you apologize"
'Nothing more confusing and frightening than freedom for a man' , it's a most difficult chapter I read from Dostoyevsky , still trying to understand it but certainly the most fascinating
When some one is free, they are responsible for their decisions, both good and bad, wrong or right. This means that they cannot blame others, it's all on them. That's what's frightening about freedom
@@ianmottert1584But then full freedom does not exist because if one had it then it would have no limitations and one would also be free to blame others. In other words, by the act of exercising full freedom one loses it because one becomes constrained by the consequences of one’s choice
Watching this on Christmas day 2020. What an absolutely brilliant work of art. Perhaps the finest bit of literature ever written. Also,wonderful acting by Gielgud. Bravo
@@uncleusuh and you feel able to judge both, in which case you must hold yourself in high esteem. One might ask for a definition of both factors because I would suggest that the separation is artificial. Beautiful language about life and love and death is itself profound; and profound thoughts and expressions can’t be communicated in a way that isn’t itself profound by definition, otherwise they wouldn’t be profound.
i m also in tears when i see this. i have seen this atleast 5 times ... i still don't understand it completely, for i don't have the worldly experience nor the intellect to full appreciate this priceless piece of literature. i can understand that this passage clearly takes us to the marianas trench of the fundamental question of evil, good, freedom, pride humility and their relation to each other. i ll expanding my mind and keep revisiting this video. thank you for posting this.
@@brotherbrovet1881 I am romanian. I was raised by an orthodox christian family. I do not see it as something great.... Priests are greedy for money, while the poor people that they are preaching to are being kept uneducated and live in darkness... My grandmother who keeps these traditions ever since she was a little girl and learned them from her mother, she does not know who Jesus was, and what were his teachings... I love her and she loves me for she fought hard to keep me alive as I was growing up. I cannot deny the fact that her heart is great... but my goodness... the orthodox christianity that I grew up with is more about traditions and less about living the truth of Christ... People do not know why os it that they do what they do.... they do not understand the meaning of all these holidays... They just take for true whathever the priests have to say.... They are building a big cathedral worth a ton of money... Whilst people struggle in poverty and stupidity :(..... I am not the one who is smart....but I see with my own eyes... There are also orthodox priests that live away from the people...in small huts... And maybe they are the ones that keep the truw faith alive...but they are not known by many... "for narrow is the gate that leads to life" I dont visit churches anymore...nor orthodox nor catholic or protestant... I am confused, and I just read whatever I get my hands on... I have many unanswered questions.... Maybe I should seek the advice of those hermits....
Dostoevsky was was Orthodox Christian....yes....but he was fairly unorthodox in his beliefs. I wouldn't. trust him for faithful Christianity, especially this particular part of his novel. He completely mischaracterizes Jesus and the Church. Jesus used miracles, authority, & mystery for example & he continued that with his Apostles. Just read the Gospels, its pretty obvious.
Dostoevsky was was Orthodox Christian....yes....but he was fairly unorthodox in his beliefs. I wouldn't. trust him for faithful Christianity, especially this particular part of his novel. He completely mischaracterizes Jesus and the Church. Jesus used miracles, authority, & mystery for example & he continued that with his Apostles. Just read the Gospels, its pretty obvious.
A magnificent performance by Sir John Gielgud. Acting on this level died with that generation of British greats; Olivier, Richardson, Redgrave, and Gielgud, etc. never to be seen again...
The part of The Brothers Karamazov that really gripped me, was Ivan's feverish meeting with The Devil. The Devil only repeated the things Ivan had said that he now regretted most, and the things he was most embarrassed about. Of course, this could all be a figment of his fevered imagination - but as an atheist, what would be the difference? With no ultimate good or evil, Ivan is his own critic. It's magnificently written.
Well, Aljosja did tell him in the Grand Inquisitor chapter "How can you live with a hell in your head?" Poor Ivan, didn't see the funny side how a man with a Lofty mind could spawn such a petty devil from his own evils.
@@paulo1ftw Ivan knew the vision was real, following his series of meetings with Smerdyakov. What was haunting him is that he had rejected Father Zosima and Alyosha's contention that one single sin can have chain reactions that impact other people, saying anything is permissible to Smerdyakov earlier. Of course, Ivan meant this in a corporate sense, meaning that the masses can direct their own morality without needing the church to guide them, yet Smerdyakov took this as an invitation to better his own lot amorally as the ends justify the means and this horrified Ivan because he hadn't got murder in mind. Ivan had provided Smerdyakov with the framework to commit murder, stripping away the moral boundaries for him. Smerdyakov had pointed out to Ivan that in a sense he was as guilty as he himself was and this was tormenting Ivan.
Beautifully done! Very accurate, dramatic, piercing...just all around beautiful! Definitely encompasses the purpose behind Dostoevsky's work in writing this piece (fitting within the Brothers Karamazov). Five stars! :)
Thank you for the Marcus Aurelius quote. That reminds me of something Socrates says in the Apology. A good man has nothing to fear in death. I would totally agree with that. But as Socrates points out with his extraordinary life, part of being good means looking into the eyes of another, caring about what they have to say, and believing that I may have something to learn from them that I did not know already.
I first watched this performance a few years ago. I had no idea who John Gielgud was. I recently watched a performance of Antigone on TH-cam and immediately recognized John. A talented man indeed.
Two years ago when i was 17 years old i stumbled upon Jordan Peterson. That same year, i heard about Dostoevsky and read Brothers Karamazov and Notes from the underground. Never have i ever been so “engaged” and “woken” by books
One guy has to memorize almost a half hour of script, and the other just has to kiss him on the lips and leave solemnly. Its striking how much difference there is in the work done
Christ was not simply giving commands to his, but was describing the reality of God behind his actions. He was not describing something detached from reality, but that which makes reality what it is. In other words, the way he lived matched what he said, and what he said matched who God is.
Basically: “Boss, I became worldly to help worldly people, and you should’ve too”, every false prophet and wolf in sheep’s clothes says the same. It’s well written here. “Im a trickster because the worldly use tricks, I need power to defend against the powerful worldly people!” Yeah yeah yeah, heard it before. **But written best here by far.**
But take in account that where is no "afterlife" and "resurrection" (both - miracles !) The Grand Spirit of Self-destruction and Non-egsistence - is saying (through the lips of Old Man..) the deep truth.. Hence - whatever is the option you choose, 1) or you choose "Miracle" (hence - you throw yourself down from the corner of the temple, as the Spirit wanted you to do..) 2) or - you admitt the rightfullness of Grand Inquisitor's reasoning.. (and you distribute earthly bread, and grasp the Sword of Empire - with your own hand.. as the Spirit wanted..). The monologue is much deeper, more paradoxical and much more tormenting (than you've described it..) - I mean.. 😒🤷♂️
Contradictions upon contradictions upon contradictions…if that is your base, you can lay that grid on every subject you can Imagen. Still Fjodor drags me through every muddy trail he ever made up and I am a slave to his words!
Dostoevsky had words that were so prophetic, that they are more applicable today than they were then. He would likely wish to finish the Karamazov trilogy. If anything, I would instead wonder what would happen if Jesus Christ was born again today. What would he say? Who would he side with. I believe he would have even less to say. Those that have followed his words have spoken for him, in great triumph and great progress. His words resisted 100 years of the horrible evil in communism. His words, while left behind and ignored in the west, will provide hope and love in those lost. Those who seek will be found, and will find themselves alone in a world that needs it so badly. Yet these words will continue to exist as they always have, just as ancient Greek texts. Just waiting to be read.
He'd most certainly be on the side of today's Russia. He was always ultimately on the side of Russian Orthodox Christian civillisation, no matter what.
@@olimikromov7817 the religious are never happy with the status quo. If things went well, there'd be no need for them. Did you even watch the video? He says as much.
Over the top performance from Geilgud. I imagined the Inquisitor to be far more simply bureaucratic in his delivery, a la Eichmann, a man merely doing his job and not believing his own tripe, continues in a quiet and exhausted voice to explain the sin of freedom.
CaesarI've always believed this to be one of the greatest things ever written or found in in the world of "classic literature." Its one thing to read 'T.B.K' but when one arrives to this Chapter a greater treasure is found.(Unexpectedly). This chapter alone was a great work all to itself & I Imagine that all those who have read this book must agree. Yet considering just how great the the whole book is as a whole; still to me I found this single chapter, (these words) greater than the rest of the book. The book maybe a fiction appealing to human intellect & moving our heart strings here & there in ways we can identity with. But the Grand Inquisitor is no fiction. 'Amazing the strength & mental capacity of Dostoevsky. The focus & Patience needed to create this & put it down. WOW.. WOW... Wow. Nonetheless we are fortunate that there is a visual adaptation of ',T.G.I' & an actor talented & gifted enough to deliver such a Masterpiece. (Though the words still overshadow the actors. & poor Jesus. We'll get him again........)
Justice and love starts with the particular. Notice that Christ listens to the inquisitor with wrapped attention. He cares for the inquisitor, in a way that the inquisitor cannot know, as he only loves an Ideal that is not real. Christ loves through listening, and in the end of the chapter, Christ answers the grand inquisitor with a kiss. Though he may be killed, and "lose", that loss is an expression of infinite love. The love holding you in existence right now. That love is serving us all.
Look at the Inquisitor’s posture and facial expression at the end, after he frees Jesus. He turns away, and he seems to be feeling agony and sorrow in that moment. What is he feeling right then? What’s he thinking about?
*Preface* 0:01 🔥 The Grand Inquisitor 🪵 🔥 0:26 Fire, the terrible symbol of The Spanish Inquisition 0:43 The Grand Inquisitor has become aware of a stranger among the crowd, performing Miracles. 1:03 On the order of the Grand Inquisitor, The Man Has Been Arrested 1:13 “The air is breathless with heat. The Cardinal comes to face his prisoner.” 2:08 [Slow walking with a cain] *The Grand Inquisition Begins* 2:20 “You, is it You? No! Don’t answer. Keep silence!” 3:03 “Why have you come to make trouble for us?” 3:13 “But do you know what will happen tomorrow? I don’t know who you are, and I don’t want to know.” 3:26 “Tomorrow I shall condemn you and burn 🔥 you with the worst of heretics.” 3:33 “That same crowd of people who were kissing your feet. tomorrow will rush to pile up the .... below your feet." _The Grand Inquisitor sits down_ 4:08 “Have you the right to make known to us a Single one of the mysteries of that world from which you’ve come? NO, You Have No Right!” “For that would infringe on Man’s Freedom of Faith.” 4:28 "And wasn't it You who repeated in those days 1500 years ago that "I want to make you Free." 4:39 “Oh yes it has cost us dear this business. For 15 centuries we have wrestled with that freedom of yours. Our building is finished, and secure - In Your Name.” 4:57 “You gaze back at me so meekly. Not even a frown?.!” 😐 *Freedom* 5:10 “Know this then.” 5:36 “Man was created a rebel. Surely rebels can never be happy.” 5:46 "And now, for the first time. it is possible to think of people's happiness." 5:53 “You were warned but you would not listen.” *So why have You come to make trouble for us?!* 6:18 “So why have You come to make trouble for Us?” *The 3 Temptations* 6:25 A great spirit of self-destruction and non-being spoke with You in the wilderness. 6:52 3 Images are made manifest through those 3 questions. 7:18 Judge for Yourself Who was right? You or the one who posed those questions to you. _The Grand Inquisitor stands up_ 7:29 1. Stones Into Bread 🍞 ❌ Christ refused *“Man does not live by bread alone.”* 8:32 "Feed them first, then ask virtue of them." 8:55 “Make us slaves if you will. Only Feed us! FEED US!" 9:13 "And we shall feed them, proclaiming it falsely that it is in Your Name." 9:32 You promised them The Bread of Heaven 9:38 "What of the Millions and tens of thousands of Millions that have not the strength to spurn earthly bread for The Bread of Heaven?" *This Fundamental Secret of Human Nature* 10:16 "We shall not allow You to come to us Again." 10:26 Man, once Freed, 10:47 "For the sake of this Community of Devotion, Men have destroyed each other with The Sword." ⚔️🩸💀🪦⚰️ 11:22 Rejection _The Grand Inquisitor Sits back down_ 11:44 Freedom of Conscious. 12:46 “ it was you your self, who planted the seeds of the destruction of your own kingdom. Don’t blame anyone else for it.” 13:05 3 Unique Forces 1. Authority 2. Miracle 3. Mystery *Cast Yourself Down* 13:28 3. Cast Yourself Down 13:42 "You listened and you would not throw Yourself down" 13:52 "But this weak and rebellious race of men, are they gods? How could you possible suppose man would be strong enough to reject a miracle?" 14:12 "You knew it would remain in the books till the end of time." 14:31 "For it is not so much God that man seeks but Miracles." *You Judge Men Too Highly* 14:43 ☦️❤️ "NO! You long for man's Freely Given Love." 15:07 "You would have shown Your Love for them better if you had demanded less of them." *The Protestant Reformation against The Roman Catholic Papacy* 15:31 “It is true, of course, that at the present time man is rebelling everywhere against our power.” 15:51 "They will cry out in despair, He who created us rebels must have meant to Mock us." *The First Christians* 16:25 The 12,000 Martyrs 16:57 The Weak 17:18 "It is not their freely given love which is important but The Mystery." 17:35 “We corrected your great work. We founded it on Authority, Miracle, and Mystery.” *I Don’t Want Your Love!* 18:01 “Why Have You Come Back Now To Trouble Us!?” 18:10 "I don't want your love, because I don't love You." 18:25 "What have I to hide from you? You think I don't know who I am talking to? "You already know what I want to tell you." 18:53 Rome and Ceaser. 19:20 "You could have founded a World Kingdom. We accepted it for You." 19:39 "There will still be centuries of man's unruliness." 20:09 "He can only become free when he has given up his freedom and given it to Us." 20:03 Submission. 20:18 “ well shall we be telling the truth or shall we be lying?” _The Grand Inquisitor Stands Up_ 20:28 "Men will see we are right." 20:50 "We shall make them work. But there will be hours of leisure too. And of course we shall allow them to sin." 21:15 "Millions of happy children, snuffed out quietly in your name." 21:36 "Allure them with an Eternal Reward in Heaven." 21:40 "But if there were anything in the next world, it certainly wouldn't be for them." Christ Stands Up 22:00 22:45 “ I left the proud and returned to the humble.” _The grand inquisitors puts on his gloves_ 23:12 23:58 Kiss 24:43 Leave, [Fade to black] 25:12 Credits 25:42 Inquiry 201
This was my favorite part of the novel. Coming from Ivan, this monologue reflects his complete misunderstanding of Christ and what He came to do. It is a very earth-centered, humanistic monologue. To say that Satan was offering Jesus a chance to "fix" the world with his temptations is a brilliant play that is actually quite in Satan's character (see Genesis 3).
@@tuanjim799 I think what he means, is that Ivan (Through the Inquisitor) is very earth centered; His criticises Jesus for not "fixing the world" even though that wasn't Jesus' purpose, it was to save souls *(John 3:16).* In his anguish over the state of the present world, he fails to consider the reason it is like this at all (Sin) nor the hope for what is coming after.
Ephesians 4:15 "Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ." 1st Cor 13 1:2 "If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing." If you don't speak truth lovingly, it is worthless, and in the end, is not true, because a truth detached from a life that embodies it is hollow. I
I recall seeing this when it was broadcast all those years ago.It made a deep impression on me & lead me into reading the whole novel & much of the rest of Dostoevsky.Great to have it available again.Many thanks.
I remember seeing this on BBC2 when it used to broadcast the Open University programmes. It was part of their module The 19th century Novel and its Legacy. There were some very worthwhile OU tv programmes and it's a shame they don't broadcast them anymore. There was a wonderful version of "Women Beware Women" and excerpts from" Cousin Bette " with Margaret Tyzack in the title role.
When we think about love in all its silence we listen for an answer to that which will set us apart form hate. Like it or not we must feel the quite resolve of our question, answered. A mystery, a reality to accept. Freedom . Choice. Say the innocence of a child.
What I love most about "TGI" is that Dostoevsky wrote something that has become deeply meaningful to many people, but he himself didn't actually believe it. Ivan, Dmitri, and Alyosha are all parts of his consciousness, and this is Dostoevsky letting his inner Ivan out to play. Imagine the desperation you'd feel having those three brothers living in your head, arguing and plotting all of the time, while you're being forced to believe that reality has a single course. It is a story within a story about a story; the center continually changes, just as the accusations fly infinitely over who has the correct manner. The depth is an illusion that keeps us staring at the mirror, our rage never rising to epiphany.
ps when he took Christ in also took in the Grand Inquisitor, whilst Christ resides in silence the Inquisitor doesn't Inquisitor always was big on killing the infidels to save the millions lost just as Ivan can't see all his brothers he doesn't see his own Inquisitor until its too late
final p.s. Smerdyakov A.K.A Mr Hyde is produce of Alyosha A.K.A. Dr Jekyll refusal to accept the smelly one as part of themselves they both create the killer in the quest not to be the smelly corpse that was always their destiny as humans.
The truth in its fullness (which is God himself), is more full, more beautiful, more loving than we could ever grasp fully. And as you are using light language, we can never see the source of the light, but only the light as it falls upon our darkened eyes. Its not a matter of black and white, but rather the slivers of truth our finite minds are able to comprehend of God. Yes, the things God told Abraham are true, but they are like slivers of color belonging to a grand tapestry.
I never claimed that people were perfect, or that they live out what they believe. Part of being a Christian is being committed to be in relationship with other believers. I can't sway a person away from their convictions by refusing to be in community with them. Christianity, like every other community, is full of people who have some things right and others wrong. I believe that in Christ is the fullness of the truth, regardless of what those who claim to follow him say about that truth.
I was going to respond to those passages in particular that you cited about slavery. Slavery during that period of time was an integral part of the roman economic system. As such, a person who was a slave could not suddenly free himself from slavery just because he didn't believe it to be right. Besides, as Christians, Paul taught that masters were to be the servants of their servants. That all were to serve all- love all. This is actually what Fr. Zossima talks about in the following chapters.
Yeah, his position, his verbiage is that of Man... eternal, unregenerate man. The "christ" says nothing... He is not the risen Christ... He is some other. Dostoevsky does not understand Christian theology.
Exactly. But, it gives us a good look into the psychology of Doestoevsky and so many in the liberal arts (Luke 19:14; 14:25-35; 19:11-27). Basically, this is the one issue between God and Man (the liberal arts, etc.). Don't forget Doestoevsky coined the phrase-- "God is dead." Doestoevsky is not helpful at all regarding Christian Truth and Knowing. Flannary O'Conner, too; like so many others. It is left to us to reform the world under the flag of Christianity. No prisoners!
You are misguided. Nietzsche took the concept--"God is dead"--from Doestoevsky! Nietzsche (1844-1900) lived after Doestoevsky (1821-1881) not before! TH-cam comments section needs lessons. I would suggest a good community college.
@@sarahkay830 my daddy backhanded me in the face and told me that life is hard. He was right life is hard. Believe in God and trust in Jesus is a fantastic comfort.
After everything the Inquisitor and his ilk have done and are yet to do (much of which has not yet come to pass even in the 21st century), with the damnation of man as their ultimate goal, Christ forgives them. That is why good, by the grace of God, will prevail.
The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition (Spanish: Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición), commonly known as the Spanish Inquisition (Inquisición española), was established in 1478 by the Catholic Monarchs, King Ferdinand II of Aragon and Queen Isabella I of Castile. It began toward the end of the Reconquista and was intended to maintain Catholic orthodoxy in their kingdoms and to replace the Medieval Inquisition, which was under papal control. It became the most substantive of the three different manifestations of the wider Catholic Inquisition, along with the Roman Inquisition and the Portuguese Inquisition. The "Spanish Inquisition" may be defined broadly as operating in Spain and in all Spanish colonies and territories, which included the Canary Islands, the Kingdom of Naples, and all Spanish possessions in North America and South America. According to modern estimates, around 150,000 people were prosecuted for various offences during the three-century duration of the Spanish Inquisition, of whom between 3,000 and 5,000 were executed, approximately 2.7 percent of all cases. The Inquisition, however, since the creation of the American courts, has never had jurisdiction over the Indians. The King of Spain ordered "that the inquisitors should never proceed against the Indians, but against the old Christians and their descendants and other persons against whom in these kingdoms of Spain it is customary to proceed".
People believe what they can. And we shouldn't be hard on one another for believing different things. Part of loving someone is being willing to listen to another, care about what she has to say, and believe that we might have something to learn from them that we don't know already. I believe it is true that God is present with us, even though we do not see him. But the point is, we should strive to live like he lives, which means taking the abuse, and responding with understanding.
Dostoevsky wrote this work from his own firsthand experience with the Priesthood, particularly with the Jesuit Order. The Grand Inquisitor is based off of the Jesuit Superior General, who, since 1540, assumed control over the Holy Office of the Inquisition, becoming the Grand Inquisitor. Dostoevsky would pay with his life for this earth-shaking expose of the true nature of the highest echelons of the Order.
Do you think Dostoevsky's death was actually an assassination? I've near heard this theory, but it's an interesting one to think about. Certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Crazier things have probably happened. Can you elaborate some, or point me in a direction for further research of this?
No. This is Dostoevsky showing the utilitarian reasoning of the modern man, and how rationality and science alone cannot satisfy the needs of the soul.
wow. What a fking performance!!! And JC's kiss at the end made my arms' hair stand up, despite the fact that I'm not a believer. Gotta give it to Fedor, he wrote the most powerful argument against the church and atheism EVER.
This is the simple message: CHRIST IS MOSTLY FEARED TO COME BACK ON EARTH! Those famous monologue is all about the FEAR OF THE CHURCH BEING EXPOSED AT LEAST ON THE COMING OF CHRIST... Here is the main reason Christ is called TROUBLE MAKER WHICH BETTER COME NOT... Short - Dostoevsky has written an absolutely deep and divinely inspired piece of utter truth...He is here a prophet with a deep prophecy: THAT CHRIST IS NOT WELCOME AND NEVER HAD BEEN! Btw, I wait for Christ while others quarrel on unimportant and silly stuff like CHOOSING A CERTAIN POLITICAL PARTY... Greetings from Germany...
No matter how much we cut up an object, it still remains known, and defined by its relationship to everything else around it. In other words, reality is fundamentally relational, without a foundation of unindifferentiated oneness underneath it. It is just as proper to speak of a human being as a human being as it is to speak of atoms as relating to atoms, quarks to quarks, strings to strings. Each are true at their own level of relational existence, and none have priority over the others.
You see, God is love. Which means, without him, loving is impossible. For love is always a gift. And like all the most important gifts (knowledge(teaching), Forgiveness), it must be given in order to be kept. So when a child is loved by his mother, it enables him to then love his friends. If the child stops receiving the love, through isolation, or selfishness, the child becomes angry, spiteful, and drives all potential friends away.
Dostoevsky is unbelievably brilliant. He succeeds in making the greatest argument for Christ by making one of the greatest arguments against Christ ever imagined. Pure genius. Just unreal.
Its breathtaking. And 'Experto Crede', friend, there have been, and are many, many Princes of the Roman and Jesuit Curia's that are more or less exactly as how the Grand Inquisitior was portrayed.
Id highly recommend (with a word of warning first; you may uncover something unsavory) delving into the Esoteric history of the Vatican, and more specifically the Jesuit Order.
John Poynders History of the Jesuits in two volumes, is a masterpiece, as is John Adam's (not written by him, but owned) History of the Jesuits written in 4 volumes of twelve.
Or if annal searching isn't your parte, I would reccomend this video of historic citations about the Order:
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(Only this video by Worldslastchance, I cannot reccomend any other content by them)
Also, I have a personal composition of citations, which is quite extensive:
docs.google.com/document/d/1wq6vGNyFRSQ2qMdXbEPnB6wR5EiCltdysG8bKcHeGMk/edit?usp=drivesdk
It's telling that Dostoyevsky puts the Character of Christ with the schismatic Roman Catholics. Not with an Orthodox Bishop.
@@katherinecross8059 Oh, you Orthodox... :)
Amen
Exactly! I'm not even christin and this chapter hit me.
When I read this section in The Brothers Karamazov, I was struck cold. The reasoning of the inquisitor was impeccably hard to refute yet I had the intense need to do so. Chilling.
i mean one side is saying man is too weak to be allowed free choice and the truth, i dont see how someone could side with the inquisitor not knocking you just my two cents
plus he openly admits to following satan as his master......
@@collidgemart7959 The inquisitor's argument is that god could easily reveal himself to the whole world...ending centuries of war, and suffering. The proverbial shackles would be the obviousness of God's existence through the practice of miracles, the turning of stone to bread, his son held up by angels, and holding dominion of the whole world. Instead, we are left to our own devices with only a blurred image of him to guide us, and that simply isn't enough for the vast majority of people...and god knew that. Who then will convince these millions, and how?
Behold....this is the single most profound piece of writing ever set to paper by a mortal man.
What about The Making Of Americans by G. Stein?
I share your enthusiasm for Dostoevsky also
@@michaelcrouch8783 Americans? I pity you, fool.
Well…besides The Bible (it’s inspiration), right?
How sick and criminal was the RC Pope? Jesus never commanded anyone be harmed or forced to follow Him. Just as sick and criminal as keeping the Bible in Latin for 1200 years so no common man could read it. Just as sick and criminal as ordering military crusades against Jews and Muslims.
@@bobbrown7386wrong. He never mentioned it, don’t put your words in other people’s mouth
The Brothers Karamazov is the greatest book I've ever read. I plan on reading it again in a few years. It's so heavy lol
Did you finally read it again?
Freud also called it the greatest novel ever written.
He also arguably invented the concept of the anti hero: the person who does the wrong thing for the right reason or, the right thing for the wrong reason.
If there was no Dostoyevsky there might not be no spaghetti western ala 'man with no name'. He helped to make Clint Eastwood look good!
And Columbo was also partially based around Porfiry Petrovich, the gentle detective from Crime and Punishment.
Is it fast or slow? I meant ten years of time which you was spend in life?
Dostoevsky is infinite
have you read it yet
Michael Feast is still very much with us...
Rest in paradise, Sir John. You brought this joy and the lightning.
This is a work that everyone on earth should watch. The implications are earth shattering.
Difficult play, great actor. RIP, John Gielgud.
Yes
I'm scared by it
Reminds me of the heartless social darwins and eugenics
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Or anyone who lives in Vatican City...
Excuse my intrusion..not all. Only the Chosen few❤
WOW! I've just read this chapter from "The Brothers Karamazov" and I admit that Dostoevsky really moved and woke up my mind! Now I am thinking a lot about everything! about god, about our faith, about Jesus and about our Universe entirely! Dostoevsky was truly Genius!
Has your Mind Changed at all ?
just remember above all Dostoevsky was a believer!
Homer as a historical figure never existed. He is basically a composite of the unknown, unnamed oral and written story-tellers down through the ages who told, retold and embellished the myths and legends.
@Snaggle Toothed without Jesus, Dostoyevsky doesn't make any sense. It is his point, the Gospel.
@Snaggle Toothed What you're saying doesn't make sense. First, it's not comparable to Homer and Zeus, because understanding of or believing in Zeus and other Greek deities isn't essential to understanding of Homer's works (for various reasons I don't have time to go into right now). Dostoevsky on the other hand made the relation between humans and Christ the focal point of many of his works, and TBK most of all. And in TBK, TGI chapter is almost entirely focused on that subject. And, since there are numerous interpretations of TGI, it is rather important to remember that a believer wrote it. It's also important to remember that he chose a non-believer character to be "the author" of the poem itself in the novel. Disregarding all that as irrelevant is just ridiculous. Now, I'd never say that Dostoevsky doesn't make sense for readers who don't believe in Christ, because the perspective as described (a believer speaking through the character who's a non-believer) is complex enough to enable practically anyone, no matter where they stand on religion, to understand and appreciate what's going on. Dostoevsky was writing for atheists as well, he was actually addressing them with his novels. But he was doing all that as a true believer. If you tend to simplify the matter of religion down to "I've never seen evidence that Jesus existed so there is no Jesus", as your somewhat arrogant replies suggest, I don't think there's a lot you can understand or enjoy in Dostoevsky's works, but at the end of the day it's your choice what to read.
The Masterpiece within the masterpiece.
Can you imagine this being shown on network TV today? Nope, neither can I.
If it were on TV today, the Bishop would be a differently-abled Latina woman and Jesus would be a flamboyant homosexual.
That would destroy even more what the Inquisitor has "corrected" in order to protect man.
There is no reason for those who have "laid their freedom" at his feet to know what everything is about, for his freedom becomes last and his hapiness first.
As Nietzsche foretold, the death of god would only bring suffering to man. the meta-narrative is gone and today man will only drown in nihilism insted of peace of mind.
"Dostoevsky gives me more than any scientist, more than Gauss! Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." Albert Einstein
This novel is just so far above nearly everything else that has ever been published, jolting emotions every single time.
I agree: but out of interest what are the other works you think are in the same league?
@@MarlboroughBlenheim1 There are too many to mention to be honest. I don’t see what all the fuss is about this book…
Moby Dick, per example, is far far superior, in every single sense of what a novel can do.
But I guess the BK is somehow very important to Christians who have at times wavered in their faith. And big D certainly has some moments of genius insight, no doubt. Still, overlong and quite silly novel IMO.
@@lukehunnable moby dick? I don’t think anyone who seriously understands literature would suggest that Dostoyevsky’s Brothers Karamazov is second to moby dick. BK deals with deep philosophical issues and Freud thought it was the greatest novel ever written about human psychology. Moby dick is a great story but doesn’t even begin to address the deeper moral truths that Dostoyevsky does. I’m not sure you’ve read BK.
@@MarlboroughBlenheim1 Why does it matter what Freud thought about it? I don’t seriously understand literature but literature isn’t in the category of philosophy, and that’s for a reason. Literature is an artistic exploit, through words. Words must convey meaning and emotion beyond their etymology and semantic value. To do this, all sorts of techniques can be employed. Big D employs none of them. He writes more like a playwright than a great novelist. Moby Dick is so much better written and so much more evocative and imaginative through the use of words, that it’s not even in the same league. It also deals with big ideas, but does so in a much more subdued manner, not a preachy and heavy handed one like Mr. D.
I do believe D was a genius, had amazing insights and imagination, but, as a writer, he falls short a lot of the time. Inconsistent rhythm, characters who are totally different but somehow speak the same, no details on surroundings and their affect on characters’ moods, meandering sub-plots that add little to overarching theme. As a philosopher, grappling with these same ideas, Nietzsche is also on another planet, clearly. What the BK takes 1000 pages to expose and critique, Nietzsche can do in one page, and more explosively and controversially. And, again, who cares that Nietzsche also looked up to Mr. D? Michelangelo also looked up to Bertoldo di Giovanni, but surpassed him. So, even though I think he’s great, I do believe people exaggerate and have developed a sort of tunnel vision towards him. The Russians consider him to be nowhere near Pushkin, Tolstoy and Gogol, so that should tell you something.
I have just finished BK, have you read Moby Dick?
@@lukehunnable that’s your view, which I don’t accept. Literature is an art form and can be philosophical or anything that the writer wants it to be. Good literature says something about the human condition and what can offer more insights into moral and philosophical ideas than this? Shakespeare and Dostoyevsky and others do this and whether you like it or it’s to your taste - and it is challenging and complex and not easy to access - then that is a reflection of your likes and dislikes, not on the writer’s ability. If you haven’t read BK then I can’t take seriously your critique of it. There is a reason that certain literature is heralded years and years later.
As a Christian, I do the same. I have had many experiences that strengthen my faith in God, and yet at the same time, I have never shied away from any form of knowledge. Along the way, there have been times where my confidence in God has waned, but this has always adjusted and balanced out as I have learned more. I don't mind that you don't believe, but understand that that doesn't necessarily mean you are open. It could be that your upbringing has left you closed to other forms of truth.
Very nicely put.
add to Inquisitor Castaneda, maybe this will settle down in your head.
The reason we experience the presence of God when we serve others- when we love others, is because we Go to the place where God is. We draw on that unending well, and we live in that eternal way. The reason people run to God when they hit their lowest is because they have gone to the place where God is. They are cradled in his arms. God makes himself as nothing, and shows himself to be God by doing just this.
Simply put: Theology turned truth on itself to justify its war against Christ. The response of the Almighty, through the years, is ultimate silence of love and grace
well, isn't that convenient: punish the entire human race because of the ills of a few theologians. The silence and absence of the Christian God is probably much more easily explained by the idea that it was all a bunch of horse dung from the outset!...
Of all things that Christ could have said in response, his kiss is by far the most powerful. Like in Demons, the most Godly in the world have more power than imaginable in the words "I forgive you, before you apologize"
The loving one left the door open as he walked away into the dark alleys.
'Nothing more confusing and frightening than freedom for a man' , it's a most difficult chapter I read from Dostoyevsky , still trying to understand it but certainly the most fascinating
When some one is free, they are responsible for their decisions, both good and bad, wrong or right. This means that they cannot blame others, it's all on them. That's what's frightening about freedom
@@ianmottert1584But then full freedom does not exist because if one had it then it would have no limitations and one would also be free to blame others. In other words, by the act of exercising full freedom one loses it because one becomes constrained by the consequences of one’s choice
Watching this on Christmas day 2020. What an absolutely brilliant work of art. Perhaps the finest bit of literature ever written. Also,wonderful acting by Gielgud. Bravo
Bravo
Shakespeare’s use of verse and language tops it; but I agree it’s astoundingly good.
@@MarlboroughBlenheim1 Shakespeare may be the best writer in terms of language, but Dostoevsky will always be the best in terms of profundity.
@@uncleusuh and you feel able to judge both, in which case you must hold yourself in high esteem. One might ask for a definition of both factors because I would suggest that the separation is artificial. Beautiful language about life and love and death is itself profound; and profound thoughts and expressions can’t be communicated in a way that isn’t itself profound by definition, otherwise they wouldn’t be profound.
i m also in tears when i see this. i have seen this atleast 5 times ... i still don't understand it completely, for i don't have the worldly experience nor the intellect to full appreciate this priceless piece of literature. i can understand that this passage clearly takes us to the marianas trench of the fundamental question of evil, good, freedom, pride humility and their relation to each other. i ll expanding my mind and keep revisiting this video. thank you for posting this.
@@brotherbrovet1881 I am romanian. I was raised by an orthodox christian family. I do not see it as something great.... Priests are greedy for money, while the poor people that they are preaching to are being kept uneducated and live in darkness... My grandmother who keeps these traditions ever since she was a little girl and learned them from her mother, she does not know who Jesus was, and what were his teachings... I love her and she loves me for she fought hard to keep me alive as I was growing up. I cannot deny the fact that her heart is great... but my goodness... the orthodox christianity that I grew up with is more about traditions and less about living the truth of Christ... People do not know why os it that they do what they do.... they do not understand the meaning of all these holidays... They just take for true whathever the priests have to say.... They are building a big cathedral worth a ton of money... Whilst people struggle in poverty and stupidity :(..... I am not the one who is smart....but I see with my own eyes... There are also orthodox priests that live away from the people...in small huts... And maybe they are the ones that keep the truw faith alive...but they are not known by many... "for narrow is the gate that leads to life"
I dont visit churches anymore...nor orthodox nor catholic or protestant... I am confused, and I just read whatever I get my hands on... I have many unanswered questions.... Maybe I should seek the advice of those hermits....
@@brotherbrovet1881 You are the Jeova Witness of the Orthodox Church
Dostoevsky was was Orthodox Christian....yes....but he was fairly unorthodox in his beliefs. I wouldn't. trust him for faithful Christianity, especially this particular part of his novel. He completely mischaracterizes Jesus and the Church. Jesus used miracles, authority, & mystery for example & he continued that with his Apostles. Just read the Gospels, its pretty obvious.
redimerfortitudo Dostoevsky was a slavophil orthodox. He put down Roman papacy quite a bit in his literature.
I appreciate your humility, every epoch in my life when faced with suffering, I reread this, each time I figure something new.
Just read this in "The Brothers Karamazov." Quite possibly the best chapter I've ever read in any book. Just gave me goosebumps...
travismalone1985 I froze after reading that chapter
Dostoevsky was was Orthodox Christian....yes....but he was fairly unorthodox in his beliefs. I wouldn't. trust him for faithful Christianity, especially this particular part of his novel. He completely mischaracterizes Jesus and the Church. Jesus used miracles, authority, & mystery for example & he continued that with his Apostles. Just read the Gospels, its pretty obvious.
@@redimerfortitudo the guy who recites the tale is Ivan Karamazov who is atheist not Dostoyevsky...
@@redimerfortitudo what Dostoevsky was pointing out was Jesus refused to perform miracles to impress people.
@@moesypittounikos i think this is it.
Best book in classical literature, thank you for posting
A magnificent performance by Sir John Gielgud. Acting on this level died with that generation of British greats; Olivier, Richardson, Redgrave, and Gielgud, etc. never to be seen again...
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Edward Fox.
Now we got Michael Fassbender as MacBeth. Makes me want to puke.
are you ever right on.......never never again
This may be a bit of subject but look at the cast of Lawrence of Arabia. Could you even come close of repeating that today?
Completely BRILLIANT and unforgettable in all aspects!!!
Brilliant. Excellent rendering. This passage should be cherished and studied.
What a fantastic performance! I also love Ivan's nightmare with the devil chapter.
The part of The Brothers Karamazov that really gripped me, was Ivan's feverish meeting with The Devil. The Devil only repeated the things Ivan had said that he now regretted most, and the things he was most embarrassed about. Of course, this could all be a figment of his fevered imagination - but as an atheist, what would be the difference? With no ultimate good or evil, Ivan is his own critic. It's magnificently written.
Well, Aljosja did tell him in the Grand Inquisitor chapter
"How can you live with a hell in your head?"
Poor Ivan, didn't see the funny side how a man with a Lofty mind could spawn such a petty devil from his own evils.
@@paulo1ftw Ivan knew the vision was real, following his series of meetings with Smerdyakov.
What was haunting him is that he had rejected Father Zosima and Alyosha's contention that one single sin can have chain reactions that impact other people, saying anything is permissible to Smerdyakov earlier.
Of course, Ivan meant this in a corporate sense, meaning that the masses can direct their own morality without needing the church to guide them, yet Smerdyakov took this as an invitation to better his own lot amorally as the ends justify the means and this horrified Ivan because he hadn't got murder in mind.
Ivan had provided Smerdyakov with the framework to commit murder, stripping away the moral boundaries for him. Smerdyakov had pointed out to Ivan that in a sense he was as guilty as he himself was and this was tormenting Ivan.
The best part of this drama is the final enigmatic kiss, Jesus planted on the lips of the Inquisitor! Amazing Grace.
Psalm 51.10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me
The incredible abilities of John Gielgud shown at their absolute best in the magnificent work of Dostoevsky
Beautifully done! Very accurate, dramatic, piercing...just all around beautiful! Definitely encompasses the purpose behind Dostoevsky's work in writing this piece (fitting within the Brothers Karamazov). Five stars! :)
Thank you for the Marcus Aurelius quote. That reminds me of something Socrates says in the Apology. A good man has nothing to fear in death. I would totally agree with that. But as Socrates points out with his extraordinary life, part of being good means looking into the eyes of another, caring about what they have to say, and believing that I may have something to learn from them that I did not know already.
Thanks for this. Last saw it back in the 80's in a BBC retrospective of Gielgud's work. Great performance.
I first watched this performance a few years ago. I had no idea who John Gielgud was. I recently watched a performance of Antigone on TH-cam and immediately recognized John. A talented man indeed.
Two years ago when i was 17 years old i stumbled upon Jordan Peterson. That same year, i heard about Dostoevsky and read Brothers Karamazov and Notes from the underground. Never have i ever been so “engaged” and “woken” by books
brilliant work by the actors, they capture the story very well.
Absolutely BRILLIANT. Gielgud is amazing. Both of them…oh wow.❤️
I just read this poem in brothers karamazov and it's a really powerful piece of writing portrayed brilliantly in this scene.
Powerful actor Sir John Gielgud ❤
Gielgud is magnificent as always.
One guy has to memorize almost a half hour of script, and the other just has to kiss him on the lips and leave solemnly. Its striking how much difference there is in the work done
Christ was not simply giving commands to his, but was describing the reality of God behind his actions. He was not describing something detached from reality, but that which makes reality what it is. In other words, the way he lived matched what he said, and what he said matched who God is.
Merry Christmas
Excellent performance of a great written piece
Truly beautiful
This helped me piece the reading together nicely
Basically: “Boss, I became worldly to help worldly people, and you should’ve too”, every false prophet and wolf in sheep’s clothes says the same. It’s well written here. “Im a trickster because the worldly use tricks, I need power to defend against the powerful worldly people!” Yeah yeah yeah, heard it before. **But written best here by far.**
But take in account that where is no "afterlife" and "resurrection" (both - miracles !) The Grand Spirit of Self-destruction and Non-egsistence - is saying (through the lips of Old Man..) the deep truth.. Hence - whatever is the option you choose, 1) or you choose "Miracle" (hence - you throw yourself down from the corner of the temple, as the Spirit wanted you to do..) 2) or - you admitt the rightfullness of Grand Inquisitor's reasoning.. (and you distribute earthly bread, and grasp the Sword of Empire - with your own hand.. as the Spirit wanted..). The monologue is much deeper, more paradoxical and much more tormenting (than you've described it..) - I mean.. 😒🤷♂️
Contradictions upon contradictions upon contradictions…if that is your base, you can lay that grid on every subject you can Imagen. Still Fjodor drags me through every muddy trail he ever made up and I am a slave to his words!
John G has always been one of my favorite actors every since he did the film caligula.
So well performed 👏🏻👏🏻👌🏻
I love Dostoevsky, I wonder what he would say to the world now
*****
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He would probably say something that would get him straight back to Siberia.
No matter what happens to humanity, there will always be Siberia.
Dostoevsky had words that were so prophetic, that they are more applicable today than they were then. He would likely wish to finish the Karamazov trilogy.
If anything, I would instead wonder what would happen if Jesus Christ was born again today. What would he say? Who would he side with. I believe he would have even less to say. Those that have followed his words have spoken for him, in great triumph and great progress. His words resisted 100 years of the horrible evil in communism. His words, while left behind and ignored in the west, will provide hope and love in those lost. Those who seek will be found, and will find themselves alone in a world that needs it so badly. Yet these words will continue to exist as they always have, just as ancient Greek texts. Just waiting to be read.
He'd most certainly be on the side of today's Russia. He was always ultimately on the side of Russian Orthodox Christian civillisation, no matter what.
@@olimikromov7817 the religious are never happy with the status quo. If things went well, there'd be no need for them. Did you even watch the video? He says as much.
Over the top performance from Geilgud. I imagined the Inquisitor to be far more simply bureaucratic in his delivery, a la Eichmann, a man merely doing his job and not believing his own tripe, continues in a quiet and exhausted voice to explain the sin of freedom.
Perfection incarnate in Sir John.
❤ John Gielgud !!😮
CaesarI've always believed this to be one of the greatest things ever written or found in in the world of "classic literature." Its one thing to read 'T.B.K' but when one arrives to this Chapter a greater treasure is found.(Unexpectedly). This chapter alone was a great work all to itself & I Imagine that all those who have read this book must agree. Yet considering just how great the the whole book is as a whole; still to me I found this single chapter, (these words) greater than the rest of the book. The book maybe a fiction appealing to human intellect & moving our heart strings here & there in ways we can identity with. But the Grand Inquisitor is no fiction. 'Amazing the strength & mental capacity of Dostoevsky. The focus & Patience needed to create this & put it down. WOW.. WOW... Wow.
Nonetheless we are fortunate that there is a visual adaptation of ',T.G.I' & an actor talented & gifted enough to deliver such a Masterpiece. (Though the words still overshadow the actors. & poor Jesus. We'll get him again........)
Justice and love starts with the particular. Notice that Christ listens to the inquisitor with wrapped attention. He cares for the inquisitor, in a way that the inquisitor cannot know, as he only loves an Ideal that is not real. Christ loves through listening, and in the end of the chapter, Christ answers the grand inquisitor with a kiss. Though he may be killed, and "lose", that loss is an expression of infinite love. The love holding you in existence right now. That love is serving us all.
So beautiful
John Gielgud was a true stage legend
Exquisite, I loved Sir Gielgud. 💖 💖
Delightful piece!
I am never not enthralled watching this.
Just...awesome!
Look at the Inquisitor’s posture and facial expression at the end, after he frees Jesus. He turns away, and he seems to be feeling agony and sorrow in that moment. What is he feeling right then? What’s he thinking about?
Freedoms end, deaths call to life, truths duality built on the kindness of falsehood, hypocrisy’s calling to truth. Pure and utter shits breath. Life
Christs lie built in truth, die with no honor, but love.
Trinity’s force
Mystery rejects loves love
Disgusting reject
*Preface*
0:01 🔥 The Grand Inquisitor 🪵 🔥
0:26 Fire, the terrible symbol of The Spanish Inquisition
0:43 The Grand Inquisitor has become aware of a stranger among the crowd, performing Miracles.
1:03 On the order of the Grand Inquisitor, The Man Has Been Arrested
1:13 “The air is breathless with heat. The Cardinal comes to face his prisoner.”
2:08 [Slow walking with a cain]
*The Grand Inquisition Begins*
2:20 “You, is it You? No! Don’t answer. Keep silence!”
3:03 “Why have you come to make trouble for us?”
3:13 “But do you know what will happen tomorrow? I don’t know who you are, and I don’t want to know.”
3:26 “Tomorrow I shall condemn you and burn 🔥 you with the worst of heretics.”
3:33 “That same crowd of people who were kissing your feet. tomorrow will rush to pile up the .... below your feet."
_The Grand Inquisitor sits down_
4:08 “Have you the right to make known to us a Single one of the mysteries of that world from which you’ve come? NO, You Have No Right!” “For that would infringe on Man’s Freedom of Faith.”
4:28 "And wasn't it You who repeated in those days 1500 years ago that "I want to make you Free."
4:39 “Oh yes it has cost us dear this business. For 15 centuries we have wrestled with that freedom of yours. Our building is finished, and secure - In Your Name.”
4:57 “You gaze back at me so meekly. Not even a frown?.!” 😐
*Freedom*
5:10 “Know this then.”
5:36 “Man was created a rebel. Surely rebels can never be happy.”
5:46 "And now, for the first time. it is possible to think of people's happiness."
5:53 “You were warned but you would not listen.”
*So why have You come to make trouble for us?!*
6:18 “So why have You come to make trouble for Us?”
*The 3 Temptations*
6:25 A great spirit of self-destruction and non-being spoke with You in the wilderness.
6:52 3 Images are made manifest through those 3 questions.
7:18 Judge for Yourself Who was right? You or the one who posed those questions to you.
_The Grand Inquisitor stands up_
7:29 1. Stones Into Bread 🍞 ❌ Christ refused *“Man does not live by bread alone.”*
8:32 "Feed them first, then ask virtue of them."
8:55 “Make us slaves if you will. Only Feed us! FEED US!"
9:13 "And we shall feed them, proclaiming it falsely that it is in Your Name."
9:32 You promised them The Bread of Heaven
9:38 "What of the Millions and tens of thousands of Millions that have not the strength to spurn earthly bread for The Bread of Heaven?"
*This Fundamental Secret of Human Nature*
10:16 "We shall not allow You to come to us Again."
10:26 Man, once Freed,
10:47 "For the sake of this Community of Devotion, Men have destroyed each other with The Sword." ⚔️🩸💀🪦⚰️
11:22 Rejection
_The Grand Inquisitor Sits back down_
11:44 Freedom of Conscious.
12:46 “ it was you your self, who planted the seeds of the destruction of your own kingdom. Don’t blame anyone else for it.”
13:05 3 Unique Forces
1. Authority
2. Miracle
3. Mystery
*Cast Yourself Down*
13:28 3. Cast Yourself Down
13:42 "You listened and you would not throw Yourself down"
13:52 "But this weak and rebellious race of men, are they gods? How could you possible suppose man would be strong enough to reject a miracle?"
14:12 "You knew it would remain in the books till the end of time."
14:31 "For it is not so much God that man seeks but Miracles."
*You Judge Men Too Highly*
14:43 ☦️❤️ "NO! You long for man's Freely Given Love."
15:07 "You would have shown Your Love for them better if you had demanded less of them."
*The Protestant Reformation against The Roman Catholic Papacy*
15:31 “It is true, of course, that at the present time man is rebelling everywhere against our power.”
15:51 "They will cry out in despair, He who created us rebels must have meant to Mock us."
*The First Christians*
16:25 The 12,000 Martyrs
16:57 The Weak
17:18 "It is not their freely given love which is important but The Mystery."
17:35 “We corrected your great work. We founded it on Authority, Miracle, and Mystery.”
*I Don’t Want Your Love!*
18:01 “Why Have You Come Back Now To Trouble Us!?”
18:10 "I don't want your love, because I don't love You."
18:25 "What have I to hide from you? You think I don't know who I am talking to? "You already know what I want to tell you."
18:53 Rome and Ceaser.
19:20 "You could have founded a World Kingdom. We accepted it for You."
19:39 "There will still be centuries of man's unruliness."
20:09 "He can only become free when he has given up his freedom and given it to Us."
20:03 Submission.
20:18 “ well shall we be telling the truth or shall we be lying?”
_The Grand Inquisitor Stands Up_
20:28 "Men will see we are right."
20:50 "We shall make them work. But there will be hours of leisure too. And of course we shall allow them to sin."
21:15 "Millions of happy children, snuffed out quietly in your name."
21:36 "Allure them with an Eternal Reward in Heaven."
21:40 "But if there were anything in the next world, it certainly wouldn't be for them."
Christ Stands Up
22:00
22:45 “ I left the proud and returned to the humble.”
_The grand inquisitors puts on his gloves_
23:12
23:58 Kiss
24:43 Leave, [Fade to black]
25:12 Credits
25:42 Inquiry 201
This was my favorite part of the novel. Coming from Ivan, this monologue reflects his complete misunderstanding of Christ and what He came to do. It is a very earth-centered, humanistic monologue. To say that Satan was offering Jesus a chance to "fix" the world with his temptations is a brilliant play that is actually quite in Satan's character (see Genesis 3).
Could you elaborate more on this comment?
there is no satan, but men with oppressive thoughts
Could you elaborate more on this comment?
@@tuanjim799 I think what he means, is that Ivan (Through the Inquisitor) is very earth centered; His criticises Jesus for not "fixing the world" even though that wasn't Jesus' purpose, it was to save souls *(John 3:16).*
In his anguish over the state of the present world, he fails to consider the reason it is like this at all (Sin) nor the hope for what is coming after.
Elaborate this comment please
this is brilliant. thanks for uploading.
Extraordinary
Ephesians 4:15 "Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ."
1st Cor 13 1:2 "If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing."
If you don't speak truth lovingly, it is worthless, and in the end, is not true, because a truth detached from a life that embodies it is hollow.
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I recall seeing this when it was broadcast all those years ago.It made a deep impression on me & lead me into reading the whole novel & much of the rest of Dostoevsky.Great to have it available again.Many thanks.
Wow! I know that feeling
I remember seeing this on BBC2 when it used to broadcast the Open University programmes. It was part of their module The 19th century Novel and its Legacy. There were some very worthwhile OU tv programmes and it's a shame they don't broadcast them anymore. There was a wonderful version of "Women Beware Women" and excerpts from" Cousin Bette " with Margaret Tyzack in the title role.
Dostoevsky is the master.
masterpiece! a tour de force
Brilliant.
amazing play translate from a wonderful book
incredible challenge re man's intrinsic desire to be led
I tend to imagine the Inquisitor as a much calmer person.
When we think about love in all its silence we listen for an answer to that which will set us apart form hate. Like it or not we must feel the quite resolve of our question, answered. A mystery, a reality to accept. Freedom . Choice. Say the innocence of a child.
What I love most about "TGI" is that Dostoevsky wrote something that has become deeply meaningful to many people, but he himself didn't actually believe it. Ivan, Dmitri, and Alyosha are all parts of his consciousness, and this is Dostoevsky letting his inner Ivan out to play. Imagine the desperation you'd feel having those three brothers living in your head, arguing and plotting all of the time, while you're being forced to believe that reality has a single course. It is a story within a story about a story; the center continually changes, just as the accusations fly infinitely over who has the correct manner. The depth is an illusion that keeps us staring at the mirror, our rage never rising to epiphany.
you missed out your killer self, which is why its always free to kill because you refuse to see it!
ps when he took Christ in also took in the Grand Inquisitor, whilst Christ resides in silence the Inquisitor doesn't Inquisitor always was big on killing the infidels to save the millions lost just as Ivan can't see all his brothers he doesn't see his own Inquisitor until its too late
final p.s. Smerdyakov A.K.A Mr Hyde is produce of Alyosha A.K.A. Dr Jekyll refusal to accept the smelly one as part of themselves they both create the killer in the quest not to be the smelly corpse that was always their destiny as humans.
The truth in its fullness (which is God himself), is more full, more beautiful, more loving than we could ever grasp fully. And as you are using light language, we can never see the source of the light, but only the light as it falls upon our darkened eyes. Its not a matter of black and white, but rather the slivers of truth our finite minds are able to comprehend of God. Yes, the things God told Abraham are true, but they are like slivers of color belonging to a grand tapestry.
Fantastic!!
Marvellous.
Yes
What is understanding? What is interpretation? What is truth? What is wisdom? What is love?
Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more.
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Incredible performance…of even more incredible writing…of eternal significance for those able to understand its meaning…
There is no other alternative to a world like this one but a God like that one.
I never claimed that people were perfect, or that they live out what they believe. Part of being a Christian is being committed to be in relationship with other believers. I can't sway a person away from their convictions by refusing to be in community with them. Christianity, like every other community, is full of people who have some things right and others wrong. I believe that in Christ is the fullness of the truth, regardless of what those who claim to follow him say about that truth.
Oh my God! John Geilgud! Excelent! Excelent! No one could possibly play it better! Great!
Missing l. Twice.
The most riveting indictment of Christianity ever. Cardinal Gielgud says the church accepted Satan's offer ! Indeed it did.
Catholics aren't Christians.
I was going to respond to those passages in particular that you cited about slavery. Slavery during that period of time was an integral part of the roman economic system. As such, a person who was a slave could not suddenly free himself from slavery just because he didn't believe it to be right. Besides, as Christians, Paul taught that masters were to be the servants of their servants. That all were to serve all- love all. This is actually what Fr. Zossima talks about in the following chapters.
Brilliant
What an actor!!!!
Yeah, his position, his verbiage is that of Man... eternal, unregenerate man. The "christ" says nothing... He is not the risen Christ... He is some other. Dostoevsky does not understand Christian theology.
This was a metaphor for the state of the church and totalitarianism, not a literal interpretation of Christ's return.
Exactly. But, it gives us a good look into the psychology of Doestoevsky and so many in the liberal arts (Luke 19:14; 14:25-35; 19:11-27). Basically, this is the one issue between God and Man (the liberal arts, etc.). Don't forget Doestoevsky coined the phrase-- "God is dead." Doestoevsky is not helpful at all regarding Christian Truth and Knowing. Flannary O'Conner, too; like so many others. It is left to us to reform the world under the flag of Christianity. No prisoners!
You are misguided. Nietzsche took the concept--"God is dead"--from Doestoevsky! Nietzsche (1844-1900) lived after Doestoevsky (1821-1881) not before! TH-cam comments section needs lessons. I would suggest a good community college.
You're excused.
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!
Watch my back Jesus
@@michaelcrouch8783 amen
I am learning so much I am excited to get deeper in Christ
@@sarahkay830 my daddy backhanded me in the face and told me that life is hard. He was right life is hard. Believe in God and trust in Jesus is a fantastic comfort.
After everything the Inquisitor and his ilk have done and are yet to do (much of which has not yet come to pass even in the 21st century), with the damnation of man as their ultimate goal, Christ forgives them. That is why good, by the grace of God, will prevail.
The Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition (Spanish: Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición), commonly known as the Spanish Inquisition (Inquisición española), was established in 1478 by the Catholic Monarchs, King Ferdinand II of Aragon and Queen Isabella I of Castile.
It began toward the end of the Reconquista and was intended to maintain Catholic orthodoxy in their kingdoms and to replace the Medieval Inquisition, which was under papal control.
It became the most substantive of the three different manifestations of the wider Catholic Inquisition, along with the Roman Inquisition and the Portuguese Inquisition.
The "Spanish Inquisition" may be defined broadly as operating in Spain and in all Spanish colonies and territories, which included the Canary Islands, the Kingdom of Naples, and all Spanish possessions in North America and South America.
According to modern estimates, around 150,000 people were prosecuted for various offences during the three-century duration of the Spanish Inquisition, of whom between 3,000 and 5,000 were executed, approximately 2.7 percent of all cases.
The Inquisition, however, since the creation of the American courts, has never had jurisdiction over the Indians.
The King of Spain ordered "that the inquisitors should never proceed against the Indians, but against the old Christians and their descendants and other persons against whom in these kingdoms of Spain it is customary to proceed".
People believe what they can. And we shouldn't be hard on one another for believing different things. Part of loving someone is being willing to listen to another, care about what she has to say, and believe that we might have something to learn from them that we don't know already. I believe it is true that God is present with us, even though we do not see him. But the point is, we should strive to live like he lives, which means taking the abuse, and responding with understanding.
Yeah, I'm with the "say it with gravitas and don't back it up" camp, too.
Dostoevsky wrote this work from his own firsthand experience with the Priesthood, particularly with the Jesuit Order.
The Grand Inquisitor is based off of the Jesuit Superior General, who, since 1540, assumed control over the Holy Office of the Inquisition, becoming the Grand Inquisitor.
Dostoevsky would pay with his life for this earth-shaking expose of the true nature of the highest echelons of the Order.
What are you talking about, he passed away in Russia where jesuits had no presence!
Do you think Dostoevsky's death was actually an assassination? I've near heard this theory, but it's an interesting one to think about. Certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Crazier things have probably happened. Can you elaborate some, or point me in a direction for further research of this?
No. This is Dostoevsky showing the utilitarian reasoning of the modern man, and how rationality and science alone cannot satisfy the needs of the soul.
My word! He ain't heavy, he's my brother. SIR John Gielgud
wow. What a fking performance!!! And JC's kiss at the end made my arms' hair stand up, despite the fact that I'm not a believer. Gotta give it to Fedor, he wrote the most powerful argument against the church and atheism EVER.
absolutely awesome :)
"How many times must a Christ die because men have so little imagination?" -- paraphrase of GB Shaw
This is the simple message: CHRIST IS MOSTLY FEARED TO COME BACK ON EARTH! Those famous monologue is all about the FEAR OF THE CHURCH BEING EXPOSED AT LEAST ON THE COMING OF CHRIST... Here is the main reason Christ is called TROUBLE MAKER WHICH BETTER COME NOT... Short - Dostoevsky has written an absolutely deep and divinely inspired piece of utter truth...He is here a prophet with a deep prophecy: THAT CHRIST IS NOT WELCOME AND NEVER HAD BEEN! Btw, I wait for Christ while others quarrel on unimportant and silly stuff like CHOOSING A CERTAIN POLITICAL PARTY... Greetings from Germany...
No matter how much we cut up an object, it still remains known, and defined by its relationship to everything else around it. In other words, reality is fundamentally relational, without a foundation of unindifferentiated oneness underneath it. It is just as proper to speak of a human being as a human being as it is to speak of atoms as relating to atoms, quarks to quarks, strings to strings. Each are true at their own level of relational existence, and none have priority over the others.
You see, God is love. Which means, without him, loving is impossible. For love is always a gift. And like all the most important gifts (knowledge(teaching), Forgiveness), it must be given in order to be kept. So when a child is loved by his mother, it enables him to then love his friends. If the child stops receiving the love, through isolation, or selfishness, the child becomes angry, spiteful, and drives all potential friends away.