Scandals that "Destroyed Dungeons & Dragons forever!!"
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- Dungeons & Dragons is the leading cause of Satanism, racism, sexism, cannibalism, suicide, murder, and creativity among the young teens seduced by the evil of this so-called game. This scandal is so massive, so unforgivable, nothing will ever save D&D! Dungeons & Dragons will be gone forever!
Also, maybe we should all stop listening to people trying to create problems where none previously existed?
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Hey friends! I hope my satire was taken for what it is and nothing more. I wanted to turn this into something positive by reflecting on my 40 years playing D&D and all the times I thought the game was going to crash and burn. I've been there and I understand the passion. I don't wish to disparage any single individual or their views. Thanks for hearing my video's message. I appreciate you all!
i only came here to see the offensive clickbait but seeing it isn't even real for me to be disappointed in im double disappointed
LOL. I remember when 2nd Edition was considered the worst thing to ever happen to D&D
This video has received more downvotes than any video I've ever uploaded. I'm deeply sorry so many of you hated my attempt at satire.
If 4e didn't kill D&D, its pretty much immortal.
As someone who has been playing D&D for 22 years, I thought your video was interesting and concise. I have played AD&D 2nd edition, 3rd edition and 3.5 mostly, admittedly I have only slightly dabbled in 4th and 5th edition. Now even if somehow the published franchise itself dies, I still have my books so the game will never die for me. Good job on this interesting video, always glad to hear from others more learned in the arts of Gygax and his ilk. Anyways, that's my bit. Make sure to have fun, especially when making doomsday conspiracies about your favorite game. =^_^=
From all the fuss during the Satanic panic, i really thought there would be more evil rituals and human sacrifices involved in Dungeons and Dragons. What a letdown! Ought to sue for false advertising!
Honestly, if you're not having Satanic rituals and virginal sacrifices I feel like that's not so much the game's fault and more like you might need better friends.
@@welovettrpgs "sigh" You're probably right. Well, that's something that I can change!! 😄
@@welovettrpgs You mean I have to put away my ram's horns head dress and my black robes for when I run games?
Seriously though, you're right D&D will be fine. WOTC and Hasbro may not be. They've been up to some really dumb (Coughs--ah-hum) stuff---lately. While D&D has been one of the few bright spots in Hasbro earnings reports, it's also hemorrhaging cash. D&D beyond was purchased back in 22 for just under 150 million and it's making 3 million a quarter. The D&D TV roll out has been a total debacle. Then there is the sale of Hasbro's entertainment studio for 500 million when they bought it for 4 billion. And toy sales in the other lines have tanked. Christmas is expected to be exceptionally disappointing. I don't think they will file for bankruptcy tomorrow or in the very near future, but they can't survive this kind of bleeding very long. They've really put all their eggs in the VTT, digital walled garden basket, and if that's disappointing the way the D&D movie was, I think you'll see Hasbro start selling off IPs. Hopefully D&D will be one of them, and someone who actually cares about the game buys it. I think the WOTC brass have shown themselves to be poor stewards of the game. They don't hate you---they just want your wallet. Beyond that, they really don't care one way or the other.
Even if the VTT roll out happens without major hicups and is a major hit, and D&D within WOTC's digital walled garden basically becomes a WoW clone that's powered by AI DMs, (And that's clearly the direction they want to go) I do think there will be a vibrant 5e tabletop folk tradition of D&D spring up, becoming it's own version of an OSR game, that's a lot more skeptical of rules coming out from officialdom. That will be a very healthy thing for the 5e community.
I grew up pretty strictly Catholic, and I was playing during the whole Satanic panic. I remember my Dad was naturally concerned about it, none of us are immune to propaganda. So he asked to see my books and asked me questions about the game. So I got to nerd out to my Dad about my favorite hobby. The next couple of sessions he kinda sat in and watched me and my friends play. I remember his attitude really changed during the second time when he was asking us some questions and I said D&D was like Stratego (he was a huge fan of Stratego) but you control just one guy not an army. I told him about my Paladin, Sir Berengir the Just, smiter of Evil! (I was a kid alright) He just nodded, said have fun and when back to his paper. He never brought it up again but he would ask to look through the books sometimes and ask questions if he thought something was questionable.
Thats great! My best friend's mother burned all his books and miniatures.
@@welovettrpgs Dude that sucks!
Yeah... for every car crash we should cry "Cars are killing people! Ban cars! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Indeed, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! indeed,
Not really a fair comparison, since traffic deaths are a very large percentage of deaths in the US.
I was working for an advertising company during the suicide scandal, and there were two things you didn't mention-firstly, the police exonerated the game and ignored any such ties almost immediately, and second-sales were through the roof at TSR, to the extent it was said in the office that if we hit upon a mass teenage suicide site, slipping a copy of whatever product would boost sales enough to be worth despoiling a crime scene.
The police may have but the media and the evangelicals never did.
I was in high school when these scandals were hitting hard in the 80s. I remember the TV movie "Mazes and Monsters" starring a young Tom Hanks. He was in "Bosom Buddies" prior. Myself and a few students in my HS (D&D players) were more feared than the punk rockers and metal heads! I was a metal head back then too. Well.....still a metal head but have evolved. I loved D&D in the 80s. Now, I'm bringing the magic from those years to Northern Japan.
Me too. I started playing in highschool grade 9 in '89, and I'm a lifer. I'm also a life long Metal Head! Almost 50 and still rolling the dice and rock'n to Metallica! 🤣. 🖖😁🤘🇨🇦
"Embrace the parts you enjoy and ignore the rest."
A very good worded lesson that can be applied to more than just ttrpgs. This will be the basis that I raise my children!
It really is a mantra for living life.
ATEN! ATEN! ATEN! GET'EM! and that may be the best "Dungeons & Discourse" impersonation on all of the internet.🎙. But seriously message received - Play the game and have a good time👍
Unless of course the new player is a 4e evangelist then sacrifice that heretic to Baphomet and loot the body.
thank you.
among my dozens of upcoming videos, I do have a "Does 4E suck?" video in the cue. I figure I'll wait until I have a few thousands subs before I do it though so can see how many I lose. :p
❤ So true, just have fun and be respectful! Thank you, Aten!
Thank you for watching and leaving a comment! That's really helpful to get my videos recommended. Thank you! Also, so many of my videos have been bombing I just wanted to prove I could make a successful click bait video that was actually positive.
@@welovettrpgs I deeply love your videos, they really feel the work of true passionate dnd fan. Keep it up!
All the virgins I sacrificed on an ancient altar, while reading passages from the DMG, were for nought. Those were the days.
Yeah that was living!
Mazes & Monsters is a far-out game. Swords, poison, spells, battles, maiming, killing-! XD
poison yum!!
This video is great. My wife (who got into tabletop rpgs through me and generally does not have a lot of knowledge about the history of the hobby) often really buys into those clickbait videos and is made to think that that D&D is just going to disintegrate and have HUGE IRREPARABLE REPERCUSSIONS for all rpgs ever (and we don't even play 5e!). I try to explain that it really isn't much of anything worth caring about, and that we just have so much more visibility on all the blundering that occurs in large corporations nowadays. I'll give her a link to this. It really drives the point home about how silly it all is.
thank you!
On point. As a 40+ old year TTRPG and D&D gamer I lived through all that. Thankfully my parents nor my buds parents’ didn’t buy the satanic panic BS. Now 40 years later, between the reactionary panic, purists and the grognards, the more things change….. The game is still strong. Anyway, thanks for sharing this.
Thank you!
My favorite scandal revolving around anything D&D is when Gary's wife tracked him down to a dank basement, only to find him and his friends playing an early version of the game and not cheating like she thought he was.
Yes, that's a great one. Little did she know he'd eventually end up in Hollywood ...
@@welovettrpgs That was when she really shoulda worried :(
I love that this video tells you how to interpret shock-value content without letting it become something more than it is while staying completely apolitical. Critical thinking skills are so important to teach people!! And what a fun medium to use - Dungeons and Dragons "scandals"! What a blast!
Thank you! My real life job is I'm a literal ghostbuster. Most of what I do is to debunk what I call "BOOSHIT (fraudulent claims of paranormal activity.) This is important because on the long list of thing a haunting could be - ghost is the least likely and "mental illness" or environmental poisoning - like CO2 - is much more likely.
I came into DnD when a college group that I played MtG (back in Zendikar and Planeswalkers being pushed hard) invites to play a one shot: DnD the Musical. It was fun and I joined more groups, made characters, tried other ttrpgs, and overall became lifelong friends with a couple people. DnD pushes hard the concept of gathering round a group friends and family and sharing stories. That's what I believe anyway. Have fun playing and may your dice forever be in your favor.
For sure, I even have a video on here about the positive effects of playing D&D.
The game will never die short of coming door to door and seizing our books and pdfs. Even then, it would likely return like a phoenix.
Have played during several road trips, so can say you dont need dice or books to play, just imagination and the will the have fun. Pretty hard to ban those, but sure someone will try to ban both at some point (:
'' My so call demise was merely a setback '' - Your next campaign BBEG
I really love this awesome video :) Just play the game you want to play. Plain and simple. Aten I like your informed content.
I appreciate that!
The Blumes trying to steal the company from the creator of the game was a stupid business decision. I'm not sure what their long term plan was if they'd succeeded, without Gygax as a creative force.
I think it was so many people lacking any kind of management experience suddenly seeing too much money coming their way. There's a long line of people screwing each other over really starting with Gary screwing over Arneson.
I always smile at mentions of the Mazes and Monsters movie because it was after watching it that my friends started playing D&D with the now classic Red Box edition
Awesome! :)
Fast forward 2023/2024, WOTC bends the knee and panders, ahem...I mean decided to protect those that play D&D by removing naughty or "offensive " words.
Lol! History repeating itself...
The original unedited version of this video addressed that but I decided to make a separate video to address that and keep this one focused on the history of D&D scandals that would destroy the game forever.
Right on! I look forward to watching it!
One of the things that will keep D&D going is the community. Businesses, if left to their own devices, will eventually do business things. They’ll fail, or do egregious things.
But the point is that D&D isn’t really a product, when you really think about it (for example, there are D&D groups in prisons, where D&D materials are certainly not permitted).
At its heart, D&D is a concept, an experiential ‘vibe’.
It’s not an app, or a library of books, or a collection of miniatures. It’s your mind, and all the things you can do with it. You can play it online with sophisticated software and theatrical set-dressing; you can play it with a notepad and a few coins or a paper cup full of numbers written on bits of paper.
YOU are the important part. You’re not a product, are you?
Didn’t think so. ;)
Yeah, i'm no fan of WotC and seriously wish somebody like Kobold Press, Goodman Games or Paizo owned D&D but WotC and Hasbro are corporations doing what they do.
@@welovettrpgs Exactly - same here.
The future of D&D is fine because it’s in our hands not WOTC. We don’t need to buy crappy product or participate in the nonsense. My table is doing fine. After fifty years there is more stuff to play than several lifetimes.
@@williamhoover6902 Again - exactly! Personally, I've stopped playing and switched to other systems, but that's also a product of some of my players struggling with the mechanics of the game as it stands in 5E. It's still "D&D Night".
But it's true - we're going to be just fine. The hobby will continue, regardless of what label is on the box.
I was going to type something similar to this, but you nailed it. D&D is a concept that is no longer owned by a megacorp. It can't die unless we stop playing TTRPGs. My primary systems are Shadowdark and DCC, but when I tell people what i'm doing I tell them I'm playing D&D.
Excellent video- and timely. Thank you for going through the Scandal History as seen from the outside.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I started playing in 1982, and still play today!
The Satanic Panic was the best thing to happen to D&D, it made kids want to play such a game that the adults said was bad!
Pat Pulling was a crackpot that refused to face facts!
Pat very likely had mental health issues and I feel great sympathy for that. I really can't imagine losing a child like that.
However all those who gave Pat airtime - what's their excuse?
@@welovettrpgs To get people to watch! Controversy creates Cash!
Dungeons and Dragons either needs to transfer into loving hands or go away. It is a corporate monstrosity sucking the air out of the room and hindering more loving indie RPGs.
Some believe D&D helps bring others into TTRPGs. We then only need to share those other games with them. O hope to be doing that here with my uploads.
@welovettrpgs I can see that side of it, as well. I just wish it were back in the hands of people who loved it and respected it, not milked it for more profit.
I guess just chalk my bitterness up to frustration.
Love your content.
This is exactly the reason that D&D is NOT for everyone. The idiocy of 'inclusion trumps everything else' is dangerous when it comes to this.
People who cannot separate fantasy from reality have no business being at a D&D (or any other immersive RPG) table.
As you well point out, the incidents in question were really due to the mental illness of the participants, not the game or any element of the game, itself.
I'll actually be doing a video on exactly this. Well done!
The REAL reason, btw - for all the 'clickbait' titles is that those videos get a lot more traffic than other videos, so, whilst we all say we hate those clickbait titles, we seem to be clicking on them in droves...
Yes I'm working on a script now where I address the TH-cam audience and how TH-cam rewards drama content.
@@welovettrpgs Professor DM did one where he discussed that - might have some good material and info to help with that. Unfortunately, as much as I wish it were mostly TH-cam's fault - content creators gear their content towards content consumers - makes perfect sense - but even though many create wonderful content totally devoid of false 'scandal' - that content doesn't get the views that the more dramatic titles get.
If we want it to change, we have to change the behaviour of the consumers. I am not sure how to accomplish that...
I'm about to become a content creator, so, I'd love to know how to change that trend towards the scandals - I, personally, feel the community as a whole benefits far more from content that isn't "the latest D&D scandal just got worse" - and, is rather more like your content - centered around 'how to improve your personal gaming experience'
Or.... as Gygax said "Take the rules you like & forget the rest. " Just my 2 coppers.
Yup, he didnt even use all of the 1st edition AD&D rules when he played 1st edition AD&D even though he created them.
For all the good D&D have done for the hobby of ttrpgs, there is no denying that both TSR and Wotc (esp. Hasbro) were (are!) a dumpster fire of corporate meddling and politics. The media and the evangelicals were terrible, but they did plenty of harm by themselves!
Yup. I hate wotc but when I looked back I realized that TSR was worse after Gary was ousted.
Omgosh this made me laugh so hard XD great video. The bit with the mic was great! Love the history too! Recently I found this channel and DM It All and am learning more and more about the early days of DnD. =)
Awesome! Thank you!
I missed all the early propaganda as I only started playing in late 89'. If there was the Satanic Scare here in Canada, we were blissfully unaware. I love how these "concerned" groups call themselves Coalitions, when in reality it's just a euphamis for Witch hunt. In the proper context. Gotta blame society ill's on something. The Hippocrasy blows my mind too. I just didn't realize how persistent it was. Thanks for filling in some important historical gaps for my all time favorite game Aten! The censorship aside, 2nd edition forever!! 😂. 🤘😁🖖🇨🇦✌️
I do love 2E AD&D.
I did my first Original Oratory in Speech class in high school on this very topic.. well, it was 1986, so up until that point of this topic. Even though I wasn't a very good speaker, I went to State with that one. The judges were FASCINATED by the whole media frenzy of it all, and in my area, there weren't a whole lot of D&D players, so you got an automatic spotlight if you were one.
After that, several teachers at my school declared me a witch and I got called into the principal's office over it. I even held the door open for one of them and she started through, then STOPPED, looked me in the eye, shook her head "no", then BACKED UP and opened the other door and walked through. Like I was gonna get her if she walked through the side I was holding open. BUT I'M NOT BITTER hehehhehee
OH NO! I had a teacher ( A New-ager friend of Shirley McClain - Shirley lived near our High School) that our school nurse (an evangelical) 100% hated for being a witch. Gave me a lecture about it once. sigh.
This is why my guild's motto is "Its a GAME, People!" lol@@welovettrpgs
And I don't even know where to begin on the Satanic panic.. it was all so silly, but I love all the goofy movies made in the 70s that reflect it.
@@welovettrpgs
@@azifukare Reefer Madness, Satanic Panic .. Moral Panics. I did a video about those Moral Panics (the stupidity of people in large groups) over on my other TH-cam page.
@@azifukare I really think the people who thought we were worshipping Satan are the one's we should have all been concerned about - they're the one's most susceptible to being influenced by imaginary evils.
I thought the thumbnail said candle. now disappointment.
graphics are really improving on your videos. Good comprehensive video on stuff you and I lived through. As with any art form the concept of mimesis (that life imitates art) is reactionary. Most psychologists and literary scholars find art cathartic (releasing interior emotions without the need to enact them in the real world.)
thanks
Who is this man talking about DnD and why does he have so much drip
haha! thanks cat!
The only thing that could kill dnd is hasbro crumbling under the wait of its recent main stream success
We completely agree on that - in fact I have a video outline describing how throughout all of human history when something reaches its peak of popularity it is followed by its downfall. (This is true of products, bands, hobbies, and civilizations, etc ...). D&D was never meant to appeal to the masses and trying to force it to will be the thing I do fear will (or is) destroying it. I also believe a LOT of the people currently playing D&D don't even like D&D - they're just doing it because it's popular atm. This is really bad for the game because you have a bunch of people who don't even like D&D, won't be playing D&D in a couple years - making massive changes to the game that true fans will be stuck with . Just my opinion on that.
@welovettrpgs No I'm there with you.
The slow removal or dumbing down of lore .
Doesn't seem to bother the newer players but older fans seem to be annoyed.
Now we have whatever that dnd TV channel was.
Idk I'm not the best at describing ideas, but I'm not a big fan of most of what we have gotten since 2021
Fantastic parody of those clickbaity videos that some folks like to make. :-) Hugely entertaining! Thanks, Aten. Stay positive!
Thanks buddy. BTW you're in the top three of possible winners in the secret contest ive been running. (It's no fun if you tell people you're running a contest.) Thanks for your support! Youve been one of my first supporters to the channel. I really appreciate that!
@@welovettrpgs Oh wow, how exciting! :-D And you earned my support with quality information and entertainment. I gladly seek out channels like yours, so I am the one that has to be thanking you! ^_^
Your impression of you-know-who is hilarious, Aten.
Dungeons & Dragons will survive.
As for Hasbro & Wizards of the Coast, that's another matter.
Ok, now I have Gloria Gaynor wearing a WotC shirt singing "I will survive" stuck in my head! :)
The best video this year (and I mean of the entire platform. Not just your channel, not just the D&D sphere)!!! Awesome!
Wow, thanks!
The current knee jerk controversy to looks like more and more people are using the Virtual world. Board games can be played online with groups talking and playing over the site. The virtual D&d will pull in those who love using the virtual media. No doubt once the initial kick off has died down - those who were opposed it will end up using it and liking it esp if there group is split up or has a group made from friends from different states.
Yes and I will cover a few of the recent points of destress and controversy, in the most sarcastic way possible of course.
@@welovettrpgs sarcasm is the way 😂👍
Good video.
The END of D&D? Um, gee. I've got most of the books for AD&D, 3/3.5 and 4, and the basic books for 5. If D&D is truly destroyed forever, does that mean I can't use any of those? And I really like Pathfinder, so what about that? Gee, this could be a real problem. :)
Thanks! And be careful, the D&D police will come to your home and take your books!
lol I think I know where you got that forever from.
I didn’t get into the game until’87. I knew kids in jr and sr high that played but they were the smart nerdy kids, not my crowd. I was asked to play in the marine corps and haven’t stopped playing since.
This video needs to be seen by some TH-cam influencers that can only report on WOTC scandals, etc. and doom and gloom. 😂
Thanks. I find those people completely ridiculous.
Aten - your ability to hold a straight face during this is amazing! Thanks for sharing; and your message is received loud and clear. *golf-clap*
Thank you! All the blessings to you!
Please do a part 2 on the Wotc and Hasbro scandals, as well as ogl and edition wars!
I actually had a Hasbro one and I thought it was great but TH-cam hated it and it nearly killed my channel with all the downvotes. I'm stiull recovering from it. I do have an edition wars one on my schedule though.
@@welovettrpgs It seems Hasbro pay haters to attack their "enemies" online as well as they hired Pinkertons' goons. Just look at the titles of reviews of Candela Obscura ("When a Game Hates Itself", for one), and your channel was one on a looong hit list. 😓 I wish you a fast recovery. I can't wait for the Edition Wars episode! 😃
@@AdlerMow thanks
didnt know Strahd had a youtube channel
Spot on imitation. Killing me every time. I keep chuckling.
Thanks!
I really enjoyed your video. It is a good reminder to focus on the positive things. I have to remind myself to separate the game from the corporation that owns the IP.
Yes! Thank you!
Haha, well done. That imitation... so spot on.
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Wonderfull video :)
I mean, sometimes big brands still fall eventually, but now d&d is larger than ever ^_^
Great video! I think you were able to get your point across and with a great history lesson.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Technically everything is politics. (said in a whiny know it all voice)
haha technically yes.
This was quite a nice compilation of some old discourse... heh
Playin all the hits!
Dungeons and Dragons lives! despite of its controversies . Fun video - I enjoy your stuff
Lives like a zombie.
A husk of it's former self, shambling along chasing the current thing, devouring brains when it can all while it's former beuty is decaying and falling to the ground, piece by piece.
I disagree. Frankly when WotC bought TSR we always knw exactly what was going to happen - it just took them 20 years longer to get here than I expected. But more importantly D&D isn't made for us old folk anymore. Thankfully there are a lot of great alternatives.
But but but politics and scandals! HOW DARE YOU :P
I just want to crush everyone's fun. :)
Very good video. Great work. Always love Stumbling upon your content.
Thank you very much!
@welovettrpgs of course, and see you on the next vid.
i know who your doing lol good job its perfect
Thanks buddy!
Dungeon'in'dragons 😅
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Thanks! :)
OK Aten, your point seems to be made, but I just don't get why you had to make it, like, now.
I was feeling a little gassy earlier. I'm sorry.
Rant rant! politics, politics, politics!
No PoLiTiCs!!! :)