I thank God that I am save in the Potters house from bound by religion.and my marriage was failing apart .God reach out to me by using a full on gospel disciple from the Potters house and I gave my life to Jesus Christ. I am save since 1996 and I love Jesus Christ
Man I love our fellowship (CFM). The standards have saved by life and my walk with God. I have been challenge here and it has made me a better man, husband, father. I glad a church was planted i my town and someone invited me to church. My life has been blessed and Im excited to make heaven my home one. God bless CFM ministries. God keep our pastor Greg Mitchell and our leaders. Bless the Prescott church and the fellowship. Lets keep reaching the world for Jesus Christ.
Being in Potters House/The Door is the best thing I have ever done in my life. I was born and raised in Methodist but since joining the Potters, I am always at peace. I had cancer and no one expected me to live even doctors but my pastor and the congregation prayed for me. 9yrs down the line I am still surviving and have been back to working permanently.
all I can say is that I was in that fellowship and saw many many lives destroyed. While I was fighting in Bosnian in '93 with the Marines, my wife, which was a marriage arranged by the church slept with the drama team leader. He was actually the guy who invited me to the church. Well when I got back something wasn't right but I didn't know what. They had covered up the adultery. LOL. Didn't even tell me. So I invited my bro for dinner and my wife said it's not a good idea. Why? Well some things happened, while you were away. I was pretty devastated. Thry went so far as to say that if I were a real man of God I would have been able to discern while I was in a war that something was going on behind my back. It was my fault they said. I've seen so many terrible things happen in the name of keeping numbers up and offerings coming in, but primarily its about total control. They will lose 20 people if they can have total domination over 5.
I just want say it's great you healed. I was healed to when i first became a Christian there. Potter's house in Australia, Brisbane. It was your faith and not the special pastor of church. That's were you have gone wrong. Cult leaders groom you. They even use good things. They condition slowly then abuse comes in but it's not obvious. It takes years to renew your mind on what's really christ and false teaching.
That is the typical response from your fellowship for anyone who sees the wrong. Call them a rebel bitter backslidder. Oh you think you came up with that one on your own? You are such a parrot puppet. People do not "backslide from your fellowship." Leaving your fellowship does not equate to leaving God. If you believe that you are truly lost. There is no hope for you, you will be stuck there forever.
I love the Door Christian Fellowship, I don’t blame him, there are lot pastor that say some dump things, pastor don’t know what their talking about. However we lot of the best preachers in the world!
Who was Jesus most critical of when he was on the earth? He was most critical of the religious pharisees, who thought they were better than everyone else. YOU people from the Potters House think you are better than all other christians. You are arrogant and ignorant. @@eugenehernandez4868
What he Means to say is... "Those Potter's House Churches won't allow open Sin, they hold to Biblical Standards, they Plant Churches in the Nation's and Fulfill the Great Commission.., And to him, that means IT'S A CULT..!! *I think it's jealousy...
E.A.R. HAHAHAHAHA yousss darn right we don’t allow open sin and I’m so happy we don’t. It’s gonna keep us from burning in hell. I’m glad my pastor doesn’t sugar coat the word of God. It is possible to lose salvation and backslide. You would know that if you read your Bible. It’s not once your saved your always saved. We send church out to share the gospel to a world who needs it.
@@somedina07 Yes ma'am I believe that too..! As soon as a Church (Potter's House👍) gets a modern plan from the ancient Biblical Pattern that has been set before us, they carry it out to the Best of there ability with MASSIVELY Good Results in Salvations, Discipleship and Church Planting... And the OTHERS aren't Doing That, Then to them...☝️IT'S A CULT...!!!!!!!! ps: ministering to the lost is not a perfect science, ya learn over time by mistakes What to do/ not to do.. but At Least WE DO IT..!
While this guy is busy talking about my fellowship im out here winning souls to Jesus Christ. Flipping the world upside for Jesus. Love you Pastor Wayman Mitchell if it weren't for you I would be dead. I'll see you in heaven with all the people I led to the lord here at The Potters House Christian fellowship Church. Over a thousand churches and still growing. I Got to go "DISCIPLINING REAL MEN FOR THE HARVEST FIELD."
I'm just wondering, what are the scriptures that Potter's House is teaching differently than let's say this Baptist Church in the video? My husband and I have been going a couple of months, we have been in many other churches. Since the pandemic, We have found many churches to become woke. One even set up a cocktail clinic inside the church. They have become government churches. Not willing to talk about the last days, and how everything in the last several years are heading in that direction. I haven't found anything in the door church we've been attending that is false. Maybe we need to go there longer and if it is a false church, it will reveal itself.
I think I might have a unique perspective on this subject. I haven’t met anyone with a testimony exactly like mine regarding CFM. I prayerfully hope this helps anyone who reads this: I grew up in Evangelicalism. I am a generational Christian. My parents accepted Christ and live for Christ even now in their 70s decades after becoming born again. I grew up knowing the gospel and accepted Christ very early in life. I went into the Air Force after high school and was invited to the Potter’s House as soon as I got to my first assigned base. I immediately loved the zeal and passion for God! I loved the full expression of the Holy Ghost and the bold witness of the good news of Jesus! Long story short, I stayed a part of the fellowship for 17 years. I became an evangelist and was privileged to preach the gospel in wonderful small churches throughout the southwestern part of the United States. Here is where the problems began. The Fellowship purposefully seeks out unchurched people, not folks who have had positive fruitful godly experiences with other ministries. I’m not saying it’s a rule or impossible for other Christians to join the Fellowship. I’m saying it’s unusual. They prefer their own converts and their own disciples. Why? Usually because of doctrinal differences, even small ones. I knew this and accepted it, believing that God placed me in that ministry. However, over the years more and more people began to come to me in confidence asking for counseling and guidance when I went to preach in different churches in the Fellowship. There were a lot of mental health problems that were not being solved by prayer, Bible study and sermons alone. All of that was immensely helpful, but many needed therapy. Some had PTSD from war, others had sexual violations, many experienced spiritual abuses from pastors as well. This lead to me doing far more theological study and seeking God’s guidance for what I should do. I told the leadership, my Pastor that I believed God wanted me to go to seminary and get a graduate degree in therapy so I could give Christians therapy from a biblical point of view. He didn’t like that at all. Fellowship preachers don’t go to seminary. It’s seen as a waste of time; a place fiery believers lose their passion for God. Let me be clear, that is not true. The Pastor had been trough the Fellowship’s discipleship process, not seminary. I have now been through both the Fellowship’s discipleship and theological seminary. I found both very useful in very different ways. CFM doesn’t want people to get seminary education because they can no longer be controlled. You can answer questions you couldn’t with discipleship training alone. You really learn how much more there is to Christianity than what you get from a local church experience. CFM has a poor theological foundation because the ministers do not have the depth of theological training they need to handle a worldwide movement. They are too insulated from the rest of the Christian community. They believe this is good, but in the end it isn’t because nobody from the outside can correct their toxic leadership blind spots. The narcissistic tendencies are rampant. The fundamentalist paradigms lead to splits every decade since the beginning in the early 1970s. Work/life balance is not something I ever heard in the fellowship because we were always doing something at the church. Church life should be full of good relationships but that comes with healthy balance of time at home with family as well. None of that was taught in that ministry. Only the blood of Christ saves each of us, not any actions done at the church. We do things at church because we love God and our neighbors.
When you look at the list of reply responses to this posting it is very telling. Many short responses are of people stating that the CFM churches love God and people. These are usually members that have been a part of CFM for a shorter time, say 3-5 years or they are ‘pillars’ in their church and have not experienced things from a leadership perspective outside of their local church. They are not responsible for money management, counseling marriages, and deeper theological questions that people build their understanding of the faith upon. Other responses are from people who have experienced the harsh realities of being a part of an authoritarian religious organization. Misunderstood doctrines lead to wrong decisions concerning life choices. This has shipwrecked a number of people associated with this fellowship. New converts to the faith have no way of understanding this. They just want to be free from drugs, have a marriage that works, raise their kids in a peaceful environment, have a stable job and find out what God place them on this earth to do. CFM is built upon a theological doctrine known as fundamentalism which is a modern 20th century reaction to the modern secular world. That might sound meaningless or harmless to the uninformed, but it is not harmless. I can assure you of that. Fundamentalism is NOT a simple back to basics form of Christianity. This doctrine leads to a hyper focus on external behaviors centered around what you can and cannot do. Fundamentalists will say they are not involved with legalism or any form of works righteousness, but their belief system makes it virtually impossible not to fall into such behaviors and mindsets. Yes, many people get free from drugs and alcohol and other besetting sins of the flesh in CFM churches. However, those sins are all too often replaced with a host of other tragic and sinful behaviors such as pride, hard heartedness, rules based living, judgmentalism especially toward other Christians, and grace for the unconverted that is very conditional in practice. Why has this happened with CFM? No one in that organization has done the harder theological work to make sure their belief system is sound in both faith and practice. They are not exactly the same theologically to other evangelical/Pentecostal denominations like the Assemblies of God, Church of God, or the Foursquare Gospel denomination that Wayman Mitchell left to start his own fellowship. None of their leaders are trained in Greek or Hebrew and they haven’t learned textual criticism of any kind to decide what they actually believe based upon their own scholarship. They borrow scholarship from other groups when it suits them and dismiss ideas they don’t like without ever doing the hard work themselves. I know not everyone or even most believers are not going to get all that training. It took me years and multiple degrees to do all of that. My point is that to my knowledge NONE of the pastors in CFM have done anything like that over the decades this fellowship has existed. If you are going to create a Christian organization that professes to reach the world for Christ SOMEBODY in your organization needs to do this theological scholarly work. Otherwise your doctrines can go wildly astray and no one really understands why. CFM is a misguided organization that is theologically dangerous. Beliefs matter. They lead to behaviors, which lead to practices. Why have there been so many splits over the decades? Why have prominent leaders left over the years? Why so many stories of spiritual abuse? Beliefs and behaviors are built upon theology. Theology comes from theologians. CFM has none. This anti-intellectualism is a key part of fundamentalism’s primary problem. The Holy Spirit guides the learner. One of the reasons Paul was sent as an Apostle to the gentiles was his higher education in the study of the word of God. God used his intelligence and training together with his anointing. CFM is not a modern day cult. CFM is an aberration of Christian faith and practice that drifts into heretical practices through authoritarianism, shepherding, and a rush to judgment on a person’s salvation status based on behaviors rather than God being the arbitrator of who has turned from sin and remains under the grace of Jesus atonement.
Both of your comments are excellent observations, thank you. I was in the Door church in the Netherlands for 34 years and was kicked out for (so called) rebellion. I have noticed a lot of the things that you wrote and also the fact that most ( if not all) CFM christians stagnate in their spiritual growth after some time. Spiritual growth is considered commitment to the church and submission to headship. No preaching about the Holy Spirit indwelling you who gives the grace to live a holy and victorious life. Nothing about the renewing of the mind with the word of God. It's sad to see so many hard working christians living under a yoke of slavery which the bible speaks against in Galatians 5:1. Jesus on the other hand says: My yoke is easy and my burden is light, Matthew 11:30. I celebrate my freedom in Christ every day since August 2015 when my time at the Door church was over. And in those last 7 years God has restored the years that the locust has eaten. ( Joel 2:25) Greetings from the Netherlands.
@@margreethakkerman4026 Thank you for your comments. I was in CFM from 1987-2003. I’m coming up on twenty years since I left. I wrote an open letter to the Pastor and the congregation explaining why I was leaving. I personally handed the letter to the Pastor at morning prayer meeting. When I later asked some of my closest friends in the congregation if they ever saw the letter they said they didn’t know I had even written a letter. I can not express how painful this was for me and my young family. Members of the church were instructed not to visit our home or to speak to us. We attended another Christian church in the local area for 6 months until we relocated to Florida where my parents lived so I could attend seminary and go forward with ministry. The Pastor of the local church we attended after leaving the Fellowship was an older much wiser minister that was incredibly helpful and gave us closure for our time in the southwestern part of the USA. He never spoke negatively about other ministries. He wisely pointed to the fruit of any ministry over time especially generations of time. At 55 I’m beginning to understand what that means.
@@mykilahsenwilliamsdorsey1495 The most difficult part of leaving was how we were treated in the process and afterwards. It took quite some time to get over it and to get healed from the pain and coming to the point of forgiving them. But by the grace of God I was able to do it. God used other christians and churches to help us and above all through His healing power that reaches to the depths of your soul. He is awesome. I felt betrayed when I discovered that there were biblically sound churches in my city and christians that were on fire for God. CFM always pretends to be the only good church in town. I feel sorry for all those people there being deceived in many ways, but that's the problem with deception: you dont see it, you are blind. I pray that they will get back into the freedom in which they started when they first got born again. Legalism is one of the biggest problems in the Door churches in the Netherlands. Now and then you can hear a good sermon if you watch their livestream, but that's not enough to change the whole system. Even though their core beliefs may be correct, their practices and traditions are most of the time dominant. I hope that you have recovered from your painful experience and have grown in your love for God and people,( I think that you have) . Greetings and blessings.
I'm sorry for peoples like him that wastes his time talking about churchs, instead of preaching the word of God. He can does something better for the kingdom of God.
This man needs to realize that the church is the body of Christ and we don’t need to fight against one another. This is sad. It sounds like he’s jealous of the Potters House being more successful than his church.
I go to the POTTERS HOUSE Bakersfield CALIFORNIA. and I HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED ANY OF THESE CLAIMS THAT YOUR SAYING THE POTTERS HOUSE IS A GREAT CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP.
I had respect for this man, but going out and calling The Potters House "close to a cult" baffles me. Now, I was part of Christian Fellowship which is part of The Potters House, and I did Backslide and left the church. I can say, Out of the many churches with different names that I have been to, The Potters House has been the only one that actually preaches a true gospel, and true discipleship. People leave and talk bad about it, because the pastors there really challenge people to truly give their life to Christ and rid of bad habits, all according to scripture. It is Not watered-down preaching, It is string and straight forward. So, people really cant hang and leave. God Bless The Potters House
This is how I see it: If you go to one McDonald’s and they serve you a horrible meal, do you automatically assume all the other McDonald’s are just the same? I attend the Potter’s House in Las Vegas, but I know that TD Jakes preaches in Texas. I list to my Pastors, but I don’t listen to TD Jakes. My McDonald’s/my church has served me a good meal, but I can see that other McDonald’s/church within the “franchise” might serve you a bad meal. It comes down to the service coming from the management and the employees. So far I am satisfied with my own personal service, but I cannot defend any other “Potter’s Houses” because I have not had experiences there.
None of these guys can debate basic biblical doctrines. I am in trouble now for asking basic questions. I am still in the Fellowship..... looking for the closest door, pun intended.
@@JT-ts6nr Good afternoon! I am from a Houston church and would love to have any debate! I too run into a couple of "disciples" uncomfortable with certain Biblical topics but we have an awesome Pastor that is very knowledgable and has no problem being challenged. Personally I take nothing for granted and if you can't show me in the Bible, it's false doctrine straight up.
@carlosiumanzor9340 Too late for me brother. We left the Potter's house 3 months ago. One passage I can keep you busy with is Mal 3:8 Will man rob God? Yet you are robbing me. But you say, ‘How have we robbed you?’ In your tithes and contributions. Mal 3:9 You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me, the whole nation of you. Mal 3:10 Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the LORD of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need. Mal 3:11 I will rebuke the devourer for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of your soil, and your vine in the field shall not fail to bear, says the LORD of hosts. Who is this written to?
I thank God for the Potters House. I was raised in the Baptist church and never experienced the true power of God. After I got saved I prayed for a good church. I encountered the JW's, Mormons and Catholics but knew in my heart that none of them gave me what I experienced on the 15th of April 1988 at 3pm when I asked Christ into my heart. Then I got an invitation to the Potters House. I have never looked back since then. God through Jesus has redeemed my life. I have been happily married for 27 years with 4 children that love the Lord. I have pastored,, pioneered, evangelized and been a missionary over the last 22 years. God has truly been good to me.
Doesn't make any sense. Millions of people have felt rhe power of God in Baptist. Yet SO many pentecostal including Potters house have a long legacy of backsliding washed up preachers. All the preachers in my Potters house kids backslid, divorced etc. The only thing u experienced is the striking of your ego ya Devil!
Greetings to you and your family Pastor. I am from Norwich, Norfolk, UK 🇬🇧 congregation. I was born and raised in Methodist and I have been in Potters House since 2008. And yes I can testify I have been at peace since then. Healed of different illnesses and going strong.
This is really true. What they’re most guilty of is eisegesis. Reading a text, which has God’s intended meaning and context, and shoving their own ideas. It’s a heretical church with heretical teachings. As an ex member, I can agree
The ability to compare notes over the internet wised up a lot of people. At first we were forbid to use internet early 90's. By 2000 so many people had posted stuff and compared notes that it helped a lot of people escape.
Potters house is all over youtube. You are advised that if your in ministry u need to remove your tv. After doing this for many yrs it has kept many worldly views from my mind.
When a Christian church belittles another Christian church, it is a reflection of Christianity to unbelievers who are searching for answers. This teaching if that’s what you call it is based on third party comments and sounds very hateful.
I've attended many times the door and are constantly speaking against other Christian churches...which off the bat stood out to to me. Calling people religious and pastors who are "sent out" not to allow " religious people " into their church in so many words.....and I just now dawned on me comments are turned off on all of their videos on YT
@@youngernesto if you love the Lord then shouldn’t the majority of your time be spent serving him? What’s wrong with that if you are a Christian. Jesus’ disciples are slept and breathed ministry and spent all their time with Jesus didn’t they? If you don’t like being in church then don’t go. If you don’t like serving in ministry then don’t serve. No one is forcing you to go to any church.
@@johnnewman8322 do you understand there are tons of Potters houses? Not all are the same. There’s over a thousand all with different Pastors. Im speaking of my church. And have you ever thought some people just like to talk trash and be divisive. There are people who talk bad about every church out there everywhere.
Barstow Potters house with an urgency expanding the kingdom of God living for our lord and savior Jesus Christ! Against all opposition! God will judge slanderers
I don’t go to the potters house but I can tell you that they are big a cult lol. Not even close! Every church has bad apples no church is perfect. But these people would literally take the shirt off their back, spend their last dime on you. All they care about is making sure to going to heaven. The only people that have issues with them are other churches, probably because they don’t reach out to real people like the ph does. Look at this guy lol . The last time he he actually talked to a full blown sinner was probably 20 years ago. Again I’m not even a member anymore because I want to do my own thing but let’s keep it real and call it how it is. I’ve never seen a more compassionate group of people anywhere. This guy is coming off arrogant and jealous smh. What a kook
+Nia Marie I go to a chur h called consuming fires with prophet Daniel and his s wife, we are winning souls to and lives are being changed!! I used to go to the door!! its a good church! I would of continued going there but my job moved me and I go to a different church,!! the door does some things wrong but what church is perfect cause us humans are not perfect!! But its good
Why would you preach on another church ? I'm sure your church has many issues that your not dealing with " don't point out the spec in your brother's eye when there's a plank sticking out of your eye" foolish no wisdom on this man's part.
Lol you literally made a video on calling out another church. Potters House is a powerful move of God!! Filled with ex cons, hippies, and straight sinners that are transformed by the blood of Jesus Christ!!! You need to just preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and quit tryna judge a powerful move of God!
@@swwilliams1326ex con life style. According to god all who have gone before god are made whole the past is no longer. While the physical, but the lifestyle..
I find it very strange that the moment I share my genuinely negative experience with the Potter's House, people start jumping on and complaining that because they have had a good experience, that mine is wrong. I know what I had to endure, God knows what I went through, other people in the church also left for the same reasons. I feel that this comment section is filled with Potter's House members who are responding with a bias. I'm not interested in the video or the man presenting it... the Potter's House isn't right.
all I can say is that I was in that fellowship and saw many many lives destroyed. While I was fighting in Bosnian in '93 with the Marines, my wife, which was a marriage arranged by the church slept with the drama team leader. He was actually the guy who invited me to the church. Well when I got back something wasn't right but I didn't know what. They had covered up the adultery. LOL. Didn't even tell me. So I invited my bro for dinner and my wife said it's not a good idea. Why? Well some things happened, while you were away. I was pretty devastated. Thry went so far as to say that if I were a real man of God I would have been able to discern while I was in a war that something was going on behind my back. It was my fault they said. I've seen so many terrible things happen in the name of keeping numbers up and offerings coming in, but primarily its about total control. They will lose 20 people if they can have total domination over 5.
Hi. I am a member of this church and sorry to hear about your bad experience. I will not say that your experience was not true at all but, I believe some member's bad behavior does not make the church a cult per se. Because the church teach about the Trinity, salvation is by faith in Jesus alone and hell is real. This is not the teaching of a cult.
@@skyisthelimit4074 I don't remember ever saying it was an actual cult, but rather that it was a "cult like" church and that many of their practices were bordering on it. You can teach Trinity, salvation and hell and be a cult by the way, those are the foundational teachings of many well known cults, it's the behaviours and practices of that church that define whether or not you can actually classify it as a cult. I.e. control, excommunication...etc. As I said, for me it is bordering on a cult. I also wouldn't say that it is only a few individuals, it is every single church in the UK. I have never had a positive experience with any one of them. Not one Potter's House location will associate with other born again believers outside of the organisation, every single one cuts off members who decides to leave and fellowship elsewhere, they don't even care if the Lord has led that person to go elsewhere. I wasn't only blocked by my Pastor, but I was also shunned by every other Pastor I had ever had an association with in the Potter's House. They simply could not accept that the Lord had called me elsewhere. Didn't matter the fruits. I'm now married to a wonderful man of God, a Pastor in fact of another church and it is the longest I have ever stayed in one church since I got saved. I can't see myself being anywhere else unless the Lord calls my husband to Pastor elsewhere, though I can't see that happening anytime soon. The ministry we are in now has its struggles of course, but has been a huge breath of fresh air for me and I can really see how much I was suffocating under the control of the Potter's House. What is also amazing is that many people from the main branch in the UK have left and joined our church, I never find out until a few weeks into getting to know them that they have come from PH and have had the same experiences and revelation to leave. What does that say about the church if people even from the main branch are leaving to join our ministry, and we don't even know how they come to find us. 🤷♀️
@@EllieJadeOke I know what you meant because as a member of this church I also researched about them and not surprised to hear what others are saying about PH as the borderline cult. Fortunately, the local church where I am a member is not like what you describe. And I can tell my disagreement in live with our Pastor and he will respect what I have to say and not asking me to leave or calling me a backslider. Yes, stay with your husband-Pastor and support him for the God's work. When it comes to church members, people are come and go and that is the reality of it. I am trying to balance everything and want to be a mature Christian that is why I am open to what people like you are saying about the church while I cannot deny that PH help me to grow as a Christian over the years and somehow help me raised my children in serving God and not getting involved with secular things and bad things like drugs, etc. Blessings to you.
I see the exact opposite too though. Everyone thinks they are right. Some baptist churches are rediculous you can't even express praise even though all through the psalms. This guy just said all sin is paid for, so this guy believes he is always saved? Guess, we'll see at the end of the day.
You would not be able to accept it as you are conditioned to believe you are involved in a "move of God." Truth is you are just like any other religion where they think they are better than all other churches.
@@carlosiumanzor9340 This scripture is for you and your fellowship: Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? ' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!
I came out of a potters house. I thought we were preaching the true gospel. It was actually almost like a family of people and we did really love each other. I know the true gospel that the man Jesus the mediator between us and God (Spirit) died on the cross for my sins, was buried and rose again according to scripture. I believed on Jesus and can never lose my salvation.. super nice people but they just dont have the right gospel. I remember a pastor say that he says the sinner's prayer every so often just to be sure.. it's sad bc he was my friend and I really did care about his family
@@brittneylopez7286 so does that make you a new convert everyday or a backslider every day? The door has ministry requirements. You have to be saved 6 months to date. So does fall short mean you lose your salvation every day? If so how could you ever get 6 months? The mentality and theology is batcrap crazy at the Door.
@@swwilliams1326 By "fall short" I assume the person meant we are all sinners. That is all. And by the way, there is nothing wrong in praying the sinner's prayer often or everyday if you want to. You are only acknowledging that you are a sinner in need of a Savior.
Spends first half of sermon claiming the Potter's House is preaching a false doctrine, preaches the rest of the sermon trying to prove it is impossible to backside. Btw it is possible to completely backside and lose your salvation. Hebrew 6 just to name one?
The more I listen to this the more I see how way off the mark you are on this one. Your taught in the potters house that family is the most important thing. But it can’t come before Jesus. For example if your brother says let’s go to a bar, you tell I love you but I can’t go with you. Or if you feel God’s call to the mission field and your mom says don’t go cause I’ll miss my grand kids. You have to obey God. The potters house pastors always encourage me to pray about decisions I make. It’s about the will of God
Because I am saved and born again, I want to do things for God. Out of salvation works comes forth. Like James said show me your faith by your what you do.
@@xochitlsalcido5059 Yes it does...faith without works is dead. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus alone but if you truly believe you will have works to follow.
This is so true of Potters House .All of what you said is true . I attended for 8 years in Darwin Australia . PH has , from inception been plagued with splits , scandals ,fights and mass walk outs . The controversy was always due to money or in other words Mitchells pyramid money scheme . I walked out and suffered all the withdrawal pains of any ex cult member . Blaming myself mainly . I was not good enough . Guilt . Shame . Re adjusting to a changed world . I re committed to The true and living God 4 years ago .I have forsaken all charismatic chaos madness . Tongue talking , false healings , false miracle , false prophecy's . My walk with Jesus today is truly wonderful .
As someone who went to the potters house for less than a year, and my experience was good,one thing I can say is they’re very demanding on you being there and not missing prayer meetings or outreach as well as services 3 or 4 times a week and I understand the importance of it but when it becomes an issue with them questioning your walk with God then this place is not for you
I will post verses below regarding backsliding. The bible should be what we use to examine a church, not simply vague personal feelings about a church or its leadership. As for using concerts and music from the world to win people. Paul went into temples, synagogue and places other faith to bring the GOSPEL. He used the prison system to its full extent. He used anything where there was a gathering of people as did Jesus. Is it wrong to gather a people that are unsaved and use it as a chance to bring the gospel? While I don't believe deception needs to be a part of it, at least somebody is trying to target the lost and worldly. I'm sure that can the Potters House can live with that criticism whilst trying to do something to reach the lost. What church doesn't have a BBQ and other social events to help expose people to the gospel. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Rev 22:19 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. Romans 11:20-23 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. 1 Cor 9:27 Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain in it. Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air; but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified. 1 Cor 9 : 24-27 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Ephesians 4:30 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou Repent. Revelation 2:5 And she said, The Philistines be upon thee, Samson. And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times before, and shake myself. And he wist not that the LORD WAS DEPARTED from him. Judges 16:20 THIS Child was called from the womb. Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him. 1 Sam 16:14 43When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth itempty, swept, and garnished. 45Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last stateof that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation. Matthew 12: 43-45 when our lives lack the full filling of God presence after he saves us and cleans our lives up. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in your name: those that you gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. John 17:12 Below are verse regarding back sliding mostly from new testament, new dispensation. I can find plenty more. Please don’t view this as an attack but, biblical verse that appose your statement on back sliding not being possible. Your view on external security must take the rest of the bible into account and not silence or void another huge amount of scripture. I Personally believe in External Security from God, meaning nothing can take me from God. The only exception I make, is that I can walk away from him, Satan can’t take me, Isis can’t force me, Jails can’t break me. God will keep me, if I Draw Near TO HIM, He will draw near to me. We Have some responsibility for our salvation. It’s His Gift, He Saves, He works In Us but, you and I have to choose whom we will serve. Choice is not something you do once, it's our continued decision that we still believe and need Chirst till changes us into incorruptible beings with a glorified body! 2 Tim 4:10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia. Demus back slid, proverbs describes black sliders as a Dog returning to eat his own vomit. 1 Tim 1:18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made SHIPWRECK:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. 2 Tim 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and OVERTHROW THE FAITH OF SOME.19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity (sinl. These departed the faith and backslid. John. 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 1 Tim 5:11 But the younger widows refuse: for when they have BEGUN TO WAX WANTON AGAINST CHRIST, they will marry;12 Having damnation, because THEY HAVE CAST OFF THEIR FIRST FAITH.13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.15 For some are already TURNED ASIDE AFTER SATAN Proverbs 30:8 Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:9 Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the Lord? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain. Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon REMOVED from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. Matt. 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I FORGAVE Thee ALL THAT DEBT, because thou desiredst me:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?34 And his lord was wroth, and DELIVERED HIM TO TOURMENTORS, till he should pay all that was due unto him.35 So LIKEWISE SHALL MY HEAVENLY FATHER DO TO YOU ALSO, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
Potter's House people of God,ptr,wayman m, ptr mark aulson n his family from prescott to Philippines Davao City, THANK YOU SO MUCH for making our country n city just like heavens kingdom of God now, halleluiah,amen JESUS CHRIST is LORD n KING,
This man is 💯 my wife drank herself to death and nobody would counsel her because she paid her tithes, and because I asked for counseling for her. As I completed counseling and waited for her for 2 years as a member in phoenix. She abandoned me and alienated me from my children . While living with another man. But yet nobody said anything to her. Cuz she WAS a "p.k"... As they call it.
@@deethamoon3952 all I can say is that I was in that fellowship and saw many many lives destroyed. While I was fighting in Bosnian in '93 with the Marines, my wife, which was a marriage arranged by the church slept with the drama team leader. He was actually the guy who invited me to the church. Well when I got back something wasn't right but I didn't know what. They had covered up the adultery. LOL. Didn't even tell me. So I invited my bro for dinner and my wife said it's not a good idea. Why? Well some things happened, while you were away. I was pretty devastated. Thry went so far as to say that if I were a real man of God I would have been able to discern while I was in a war that something was going on behind my back. It was my fault they said. I've seen so many terrible things happen in the name of keeping numbers up and offerings coming in, but primarily its about total control. They will lose 20 people if they can have total domination over 5.
It's funny but not. All the churches preaching against each other and yet I say anything at all and was punished for it. It's exactly why I said not church, not religion but Jesus alone saves. Is it any wonder there are so many who have been turned off God complelty. Where are the churches who acknowledge what is wrong within THEMSELVES? Yet they get offended when others are open about their own faults. Go figure.
The whole thing about not being able to walk out of the church is a total lie. The opposite is true. There are times where people have to be thrown out. And offerings are never taken at outreach events.
They will beat your eardrums for 10 to 15 minutes on tithing for every pastor who preaches in a conference or weekly Wed services. Which also stood out to me. A person wanted to be baptized and wanted to be saved and gathered that it meant the world to this person and was told they need to wait for a specified amount of time 😮...that blew my mind. This person wants/needs to be saved and baptized so desperately and is told to wait ✋🏽 ....what?
Careful, words will be bring life or death Whatever measure you use will be measured unto you Repent now your mockery and slander will destroy you Satan cannot cast out Satan No spirit of God in your speech
He is not mocking nor slandering. Your comment shows exactly what he is speaking of. You are sadly misguided and have not heard the truth about the Bible. This man is not, never has been or will be Satan. He is telling the truth too bad you are too blind to see.
@@Ldl13 do you know this man he us going against God let me ask you do you have a relationship with Jesus Christ ? And do you know him as your Lord and Savior?
@@rachelmartinez9797 why is your comment a direct question as to me and my relationship with The Lord Jesus Christ? Who are you to question someone who you have never met about my relationship with my Savior? Oh must be in the fellowship in which only the people loyal to it know the truth. Girl seek God and seek His Truths in his word.
After a huge church split years ago, many ministers went on to further their own ministry, no shame...those who stayed simply renewed their dedication to their home church, (mother)...some preach with strife, some preach with grace, truth, and love, some for money, some for prestige ...through every failure and scandal. The body of Christ lives on. We aren't perfect, but we're working on it! I personally got saved way back in the first generation, yep, God saved the whole band, EDEN....find fault with that!
Why dont we all get together who ever is a preacher teacher n evangelist every single one who teaches the HOLY bible every one no matter what denomination u are from or who u are cant we all get together go search for souls and stop arguments we here to win the lost not arguments of who's best or who's right no one is right period we all have fallen short I wish we would all become one body the body of Christ regardless as along as u know the truth the way and the life
The potters house has a huge ego, they are the elitist Christian’s. The navy seals of Christianity. They will never lower themselves to join with the lesser Christian churches.
I went there years ago. What you’re saying is not true. You should be careful about making false statements. Especially when your standing behind a pulpit.
Praise God for the Potters house they preach Jesus Christ. They evangelize the gospel of Jesus Christ. Stop judging let God be the judge. Preach the word of God to the sinners .potter's house is reaching the world with the gospel of Jesus Christ. Potters house is not a cult .I am wash and cleanse by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Wow! All of these years serving God in the fellowship that shared the gospel with me, a young mother, living with a man who wasn't my husband. You would tear down the work that Jesus Christ has done in my life through the Potter's House Fellowship?! You sir are not even sure of what you're preaching. You are misleading your flock. Are you jealous of what God is doing through them? Not communicating with family is an absolute lie! Hearsay and slander is all you have sir. Be careful what you preach from your pulpit sir, as I have lost count of the lies you are telling here. The gospel is preached in every concert scene, it is a platform to preach the gospel sir, to reach the lost. How can you not see that? Just preach the gospel, as it appears you are making excuses for your own lack.
They're is is not perfect church. I would want to know which is the closest to God's will. I went to Potters house, he was speaking in tongues, but no prophecy. I went up to the altar he said my Cross necklace was idolatry... whhhaaa. I disagreed.. he said the devil could use that as a henderance.. Their were only 6 members at service he still did the offering. Main thing I lean on is God's word.. what he's got to say. I have discernment. I just go to hear what God wants to tell, and if I feel that something's wrong I'll walk out.
With respect brother you are so off in what you are proclaiming bro about the PH in so many areas. I am in Perth West Australia and we have churches all over the world because we evangelise, make disciples and plants churches. People can come and go when ever they like. Doors are not locked nor are people stopped from leaving, I have been in the PH since 1987 and never seen someone stopped from leaving etc as you have claimed. I have served on the church’s council and pastored overseas myself and never did that in my church. You are making statements that are not correct so be careful. We outreach to non churched people… sinners just like Jesus did. We are not focused on church growth from transfer growth of people from other churches but unsaved souls. So what outreaches do you have and how many souls ( non churched people) have you been reaching? One day The books will be open and all will be revealed, if having a love for people and a burden for souls is wrong then I don’t want to be right. I guess Calvinist beliefs will always battle with the concept of making a decision for salvation and of the reality of backsliding back into sin and losing your salvation. FYI - My Pastor doesn’t preach very often on money or giving etc but your referring to sermons and offerings taken at a conference (which is free and open to anyone to attend by the way) That is a totally different dynamic and you don’t have the context, we plant churches from conferences and that takes money and local congregations to rally together and support what God is doing, World evangelism costs money which is why most churches don’t do it. Have you made disciples and planted a church overseas or locally out of your church? In Australia we don’t record individual tithing so not sure how you would know if people pay tithes, or not? that’s between the person and God. You seem to have an issue and focus about money? I could go on and on to refute all of the stuff you are spouting but just be careful brother. Our pioneer Pastors in most cases are tent making ministers until their church can grow and financially become self sufficient and Pastors don’t live the high life and are very accountable. Every church has internal and monthly financial accountability to their headship and external auditors. My Pastor has never tried to run or micro manage my life. Maybe you should focus on preaching about outreaching for souls and stir up a vision for the lost in your people. Many in these last days are in the valley of decision, how will they hear without a preacher. Jesus is coming soon we must work while it is day brother…sinners are the prize, don’t get caught up and lose sight of souls perishing. Jesus has called everyone to be fruitful and reach the lost, there are many great ministries in the earth doing just that and obeying the great commission, the PH is not the only thing God is doing but we are just privileged to be used to reach the lost but it is a movement God is blessing and it is a work of God not of man. God bless your brother just be careful what you claim as truth about our fellowship when you don’t have context and listening to disgruntled people will always give you a tainted view. I am married 34 years, been in pastoral ministry and pioneered a church, all my children are serving God. August 16 1987 I walked into a PH church knowing no one or anything about the church, I heard a clear gospel message and was convicted of my sin before God, I repented of my sin and asked Jesus into my heart receiving assurance of my sins forgiven having come from a outlaw MC background I was set free of many vices and burdens from sin and forgiven. I am one satisfied customer and God is awesome.
Perth Australia is where Valk backslid or was that Netherlands?? Also why did vandierman leave? Not many comments or support for such a huge move of God. Your just full of yourself.
JESUS TOLD HS DISCIPLES TO GO OUT AND PREACH TO ALL CREATURES There r alot of people who need Jesus,,,PASTOR,,FOCUS ON THAT AND LET GOD DEAL WITH THE REST HE IS IN CONTROL.YOU CONTRIDICT THE BIBLE AND YOURSELF,,BE CAREFUL WHO YOU R CONDEMING U WILL ANSWER TO THE LORD JESUS..BEEN IN POTTERS HOUSE FOR OVER 30 YRS.NO ONE THERE CONTROLS ME OR EVER HAS..I LIVE TO PLEASE GOD
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. Mark 13:22-23 KJV You are one of this" pastor"
CFM doesn't meet your beginning definition because 1 we have no additional writings outside the Bible. So..... I mean what exactly is the false doctrine we teach?
Wow, I’m flabbergasted with what this joker of a preacher is saying. He said he’s heard “stories” and that’s his basis for all this babblings. Potters House members aren’t forced to stay in church out of fear like this guy claims. Anybody can walk away if they want to, but those who know the truth stay because they have been delivered from dead religion.
i was saved in the potters house when it was foursquare in 1974, mitchell was on fire for souls back then, when he pulled away from foursquare he began to get very legalistic, i still think i got a firm spiritual foundation, it is not a false gospel as this guy is claiming, they are just legalistic, but thats not a false goapel. im going to a baptist church now & miss the energy & passion for souls that potters house has
Something else to Note: Victory Chapel falls under The Paul Campo dynasty. He got sent out from Prescott to his hometown of Hyannis/Cape Cod in the early heyday but, he strangely never returned to Prescott Bible Conference every 6 months. Why? So VC doesn't tithe back to Prescott they tithe to Campo who holds his own Bible conference. I wa
I been in the Potter's House for over a year, the thing that sticks out is you have to give 10% and if you don't you are stealing from God. The more money you give the more blessings and favor you have. Don't tith and you are cursed what a curse. Also if you don't give that 10% then you are taking basically a loan from God and need to pay back in interest.
You might have a problem with 10% to support the church you went to...but I spent hundreds of pounds a month...in the nightclub on drink.and drugs and it wasn't a problem. But to give towards the upkeep of the church is something that we should be proud to do.
Not good to talk about a work of God. I used to go to The Door many years ago and went there for 26 years. They are a good fellowship and win souls. Be careful how you go about defining a cult.
What happen brother you dont go anymore? Come back we need you look at whats happening now dont turn away and thanking for standing up for the door 👍🔥💪💓
Not all churches of door and potters house are run the same and many are good. A lot may be small and struggle financially to stay open. I went to a Baptist church and the bishop had the nerve to say quote "I'm not ready for Jesus return. I want to keep getting it on with my wife even if I need Viagra" now that was an abomination
You are now making up things! They didnt say if you dont give you will go to hell! You have lied right there. It is encouraged now forced but because you take the truth, you lie as you cannot handle it.
It is the truth, you are told that if you don't tithe, you are disobeying God and you will go to hell! I know, I went to a fellowship church for several years, I know their false doctrine!
@@bf2842 been going to the Potters house for several years. They don’t claim that you go to hell if you don’t tithe not even close. They do say it is not being obedient though to not tithe. Ten percent is biblical. Do you believe the Bible? You should tithe. But they never say you will go to hell. Where do you get that nonsense???
Santana Montes beats his wife and watches gay porn tho. JK bro. Yeah, the Door targets latinos because of your fear based catholic upbringing. THE pastor is your priest now. And God didn't change your life. Your still full of fear.
It sounds vaguely familiar. I looked up these people locally - they say this about salvation: 1. Salvation is initiated by a prayer of faith in Jesus. 2. Salvation is completed by God's grace. 3. Salvation is maintained by a lifestyle of Biblical righteousness. 4. Salvation is demonstrated by works. 5. Salvation is lost when we sin and do not repent. 6. Salvation is necessary to enter Heaven in eternity. Very salvation by personal works, by works of the law, and the cross of Christ is nowhere in view.
The Bible says all that about salvation. Idk why you think it's wrong but it's God's word you have a problem with. Not the church. You can lose your salvation, salvation does involve works for the kingdom of God, salvation does have to be maintained. Jesus died on the cross so we could have a chance to have salvation. You do need to have salvation in order to make heaven your home. If youre not saved you are gonna be separated from God. Don't be fooled by this sermon this man preached about.
@@mufasa6768 if Jesus died for our salvation, and it's only a chance, what is the chance that he rose from the dead too? If it's only a partial introduction to salvation, and the rest depends on our works, then how is it salvation in any sense? Why did he say "I am the way" if works are the way?
No idea what this guy is on about I am in the Potters House but I was completely lost before I got saved Potters house reach souls and preach Jesus. Nuff said. By the way, this one is for free, usually you can't leave a cult.
...seeing people get baptized in the holy ghost, seeing God confound Muslim meetings with conviction and conversions of precious Muslim people, and watching Pastor Wayman Mitchell drive a used car with millions of dollars coming to the church! The kingdom of God does not translate to spiritual mediocrity and carnal revelations. May God open your soul and spirit to one of history's most powerful revivals ever!
Because this pastor actually heard God's voice and that's how he knows he is right. He is not following a church's doctrine like CFM he is following the word of God! That's how you know you are in a cult, when it's so plain in front of you, but you can't see it because you are so blinded and by the lies you have been indoctrinated in.
If we follow scripture, however one judges, they shall be judged. He is taking the worst scenarios of other churches and displaying them as though they are the norm. Sounds the same as what cancel culture does. Politicians, anti police, and any other who has little facts except a few testimonials and Google. I don't know who you are, yet I pray God's mercy and grace upon you all when it's your turn to be judged on these teachings, your church, your lifestyle, what you allow yourself to be taught, and how you talk about those who labor for God. When you take the place of pastoralship, your soul will be judged twice. Once for yourself, and once for the souls you have swayed... Please get the facts of your subjects, before casting stones. On this your way off
I spent my teen years and my early 20s living in fear while attending the Door Christian fellowship. I can attest to the fact that they do use shunning and fear tactics to manipulate there congregation. Even holding "teen" boot camps during the summer mixing religious doctrine with marine corps recruit training methods. I want to get my family away from this oppressive organization but I can only do so much.
Jonny Rivera it is better to live in fear than to be in hell for eternity dont run from the truth or excuse it truth hurts but its for your own good narrow path few will enter if you fear God you are blessed no offense but you should fear God and not be here on earth for his wrath 😱
@JohnnyRiver i spend my teenage years too in fear too because i was still living with a guilty concience but and i dont regret because now that i let go of the world and everything in ive never been 😊 happier
Why don't you just focus on preaching the word of God. What you're doing bashing The Potter's House off he/she said is foolish and irrelevant. Praise Jesus Christ and I'm out of The Potter's House right here.
Ok. all I can say is that I was in that fellowship and saw many many lives destroyed. While I was fighting in Bosnian in '93 with the Marines, my wife, which was a marriage arranged by the church slept with the drama team leader. He was actually the guy who invited me to the church. Well when I got back something wasn't right but I didn't know what. They had covered up the adultery. LOL. Didn't even tell me. So I invited my bro for dinner and my wife said it's not a good idea. Why? Well some things happened, while you were away. I was pretty devastated. Thry went so far as to say that if I were a real man of God I would have been able to discern while I was in a war that something was going on behind my back. It was my fault they said. I've seen so many terrible things happen in the name of keeping numbers up and offerings coming in, but primarily its about total control. They will lose 20 people if they can have total domination over 5.
@@swwilliams1326 "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." - Leviticus 20:10
Matthew 12:46-50 New King James Version Jesus’ Mother and Brothers Send for Him 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.” So family really according to Christ Is Christians
why should you preach religion . why cant you Just preach Jesus and the resurrection of Jesus this is what they teach How many souls are you winning to christ? you winn no body to christ kingdom
Listening to this whole thing I find it very ironic because on Wednesday the Pastor of the Potters house I go to did a whole message on staying connoted to your family and how important that is wether your family is saved or not how important those relationships are. Complete opposite of what this Pastor is saying about them. He clearly has no first hand knowledge of them or what they actually teach. I wonder how he would like it if people speak or poorly about his church from non baptists and ex church members testimonies. It’s sad. Causing major division in the church.
Your Pastor must be an exception then, because my pastor only allowed his wife to fellowship with her saved family members (all of whom were attending a Potter's House church). As for her unsaved sister, she was the black sheep of the family and it wasn't encouraged. We were all warned about not associating too closely with unsaved relatives, and to keep them at arms length.
@@EllieJadeOke maybe your church was the exception? The church I got to was a direct church plant from the one in Prescott. I have heard strange stories from some of the Potters houses on the East Coast and in the south so who knows. I can only really speak for my church. The point is this guy is bad mouthing all Potters Houses when there are Hundreds of them. They should each be judged individually in my opinion.
@@jdj2022 I've been to three different ones. They were all the same. I'm from the UK and there have been people from all over the UK complaining of the same issues. All of those people have found ways to leave respectfully but were outcasted as a result.
@@EllieJadeOke that’s the UK. Way different. I have no idea how things are in the UK. I can only speak from my experiences here. I know for a fact it isn’t like that in my church in California US. You must have really liked the potters house out there at one point to go to 3 different ones though?
@@jdj2022 actually, I was a lost baby christian and moving around cities. I was made to believe that it was wrong for me to go to any other church and that it was considered "church hopping". So I stuck with Potter's House until I grew up spiritually and realised that their doctrines were ridiculously wrong. Why do you assume that I 'really liked' being there? I feel like you have some kind of a bias to be making bold assumptions like that. Also, Potter's House is the same wherever you go, they all teach the same doctrines, have the same mentality and ideology. I've seen videos of people in Australia facing the same issues. It is all very much the same.
The Door is wonderful they have helped me with my walk with Jesus Christ, they don’t ask you to do anything weird they’re not a cult! If you call a church a cult cause all they care about is worshipping Jesus well then I guess we’re a cult lol Jesus is the way the truth and the life amen 🙏🏼
Steven Baughman should believers not turn from sin. Is it wrong to encourage all to turn from sin. We all appreciate that faith saves us. Sin separates us from God. Both are biblically sound statements. I don't see how that promotes a work based salvation. Otherwise James 2. Faith without works is truely what you ask people to present. We can keep reducing the teachings of the bible. Love but no fear of God, Faith but no works, Forgives but no sin, it would make no sence.
Mister Sparks And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Luke 5:31-32 KJV All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. Therefore all are in sin and need Jesus. Jesus says He calls sinners to repentance. PS. Repentance is not a work, its a change of direction. God's empowerment gives us the strength to walk that new way. We turn, God empowers! This is not a works based salvation.
Mister Sparks perfect. So you get it now. Repentance is us turning to God. By nature of turning to Him that is good, we must turn away from sin. Thus, all faith in Jesus requires turning from sin. We are saved by faith, therefore forsake sin. God justifies us not as a result of our perfect adherence to the laws but, because by faith we are In Christ. You cannot be In Christ and live a life to willfull sin! There is no more SCARFICE for those once enlightened, Christ cannot die again. The context of this verse was preach to the lost! not debate with backsiders. The point was you can do nothing more than give the gospel, don't try to persuade by adding to the death of Jesus. To be I. Christ you must turn to God and turn from sin. Hence the battle of a believers is to walk in the spirit. Both my previous statements are true. The reason they are true is because they are taken from the bible. I will not change the interputation to help me feel justified. Let the bible speak for itself. I find no contradiction in saying repent and repent for your sins. Provided you turn to God, both are the same. The problem is some legalistic "Christians" hear turn from sin and start saying Christians believe in a works based salvation, most of the time they do not. People simple hear what they want to label someone a heritic without just evidence. Hence I said I don't believe in turning from sins to be saved. You are saved by turning to god. Unfortunately repent to a critical audience today simply means to turn away (but turn to what, our own good ideas? ) , in the bible repentance specifically means turn to God, expect in the case of Judas. True repentance is Godly sorrow, not remorse. Its turning to God!
Unfortunately our sin has been elevated to a position greater than God wanting to know us and hold a relationship with us. God does not say believe in me and so you can be forgiven, He says he has plans, purpose, a future, He loves us. He is our confident father, not because what He can do for us, but, because that's who God is! While I thank God for the law. God bought us a better covenant so we don't need to attack people for there past sins. We can preach Christ crucified. We can point to Jesus clearly, people hear the gospel and be filled with awe and wonder and faith in Who God is. God will bring convictions turning people to follow and trust Him. Good Preacher don't need to name sin, God speaks to the person about their specific personal sin. We still have the laws to educate us that God could not be statified by obedience to the laws, but only by faith. The law also shows us when out faith is weak or not in proper use, as it reveals the evil unbelife and sin in our lives. Its a good school master showing us our errors so we can try again by faith. Repenting of sin. Or Repent and believe. The crucial factor as you read those statements is, weather repent is just turning from sin or the biblical repentance which turns us to God thus causing you to turn from sin. Repent = turn from sin (not accurate rendering of meaning) Repent = turn to God (resulting in a turn from sin) Hate preachers make alot of repentance and its dual meaning in the eyes of Christianity today. It's unfortunate they say most of the church world believe in a works based salvation, its simply not true, most churches hold to by faith alone, the difference is they are not afraid to examine peoples faith by using the laws like any good school master testing the pupils. They then make videos like this to spew criticism and hate speech. Paul rejoiced when Christ preached even when the motive behind it was wrong, I'm not saying he supported false teachers, but I'm sure he would have some strong view on this. Those who are not against us are for us.
It states: "When Ananias and Sapphira attempt to deceive the Apostles and the people Peter appears as judge of their action, and God executes the sentence of punishment passed by the Apostle by causing the sudden death of the two guilty parties (Acts 5:1-11)". God doesn't play with money. God killed two people for lying about money
Your message needed to be preached. The comment attacks against you is normal responses from people of wayman mitchell churches. Thank you for your prayers for them.
**Reformed doctrine, also known as Calvinism, is a theological system that was developed by John Calvin during the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. While it has gained a significant following and has had a profound impact on Christian theology, there are several reasons why some individuals and religious groups consider reformed doctrine to be incorrect or flawed.** 1. **Limited Atonement:** One of the key tenets of reformed theology is the concept of limited atonement, which states that Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross was only intended for a specific group of people known as the elect. According to this view, Christ's death did not provide salvation for all humanity but only for those predestined by God to be saved. This notion contradicts the widely held belief in Christianity that Jesus' sacrifice was meant to offer salvation to all people who accept him as their savior. 2. **Predestination:** Another central aspect of reformed doctrine is the belief in predestination, which asserts that God has predetermined who will be saved and who will be damned. According to this view, human beings have no free will in matters of salvation, as God has already chosen those who will receive his grace and eternal life. This concept raises significant theological and philosophical questions about human agency, moral responsibility, and the nature of God's justice and love. 3. **Double Predestination:** Building upon the idea of predestination, reformed theology also teaches the concept of double predestination, which posits that God not only chooses some individuals for salvation but also actively chooses others for damnation. This belief implies that God creates some people with the sole purpose of condemning them to eternal punishment, which many find morally problematic and incompatible with a loving and just God. 4. **Determinism vs. Free Will:** Reformed doctrine leans heavily towards a deterministic understanding of human actions and events, suggesting that everything is ultimately under God's control and predetermined. This perspective raises questions about the compatibility of human free will and divine sovereignty. Critics argue that a deterministic view undermines human responsibility, accountability, and the meaningfulness of moral choices. 5. **Inconsistencies with Scripture:** Some critics of reformed doctrine argue that it presents an interpretation of Scripture that is inconsistent with the overall message and teachings of the Bible. They contend that certain passages, such as those emphasizing God's desire for all to be saved (1 Timothy 2:4) or the invitation for all to come to Christ (Matthew 11:28), contradict the notion of limited atonement and predestination.
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I thank God that I am save in the Potters house from bound by religion.and my marriage was failing apart .God reach out to me by using a full on gospel disciple from the Potters house and I gave my life to Jesus Christ. I am save since 1996 and I love Jesus Christ
Man I love our fellowship (CFM). The standards have saved by life and my walk with God. I have been challenge here and it has made me a better man, husband, father. I glad a church was planted i my town and someone invited me to church. My life has been blessed and Im excited to make heaven my home one. God bless CFM ministries. God keep our pastor Greg Mitchell and our leaders. Bless the Prescott church and the fellowship. Lets keep reaching the world for Jesus Christ.
Amen, brother!
Being in Potters House/The Door is the best thing I have ever done in my life. I was born and raised in Methodist but since joining the Potters, I am always at peace. I had cancer and no one expected me to live even doctors but my pastor and the congregation prayed for me. 9yrs down the line I am still surviving and have been back to working permanently.
I saw people give all their money to that church and when they were broke and used up the Door turned its back on them.
all I can say is that I was in that fellowship and saw many many lives destroyed. While I was fighting in Bosnian in '93 with the Marines, my wife, which was a marriage arranged by the church slept with the drama team leader. He was actually the guy who invited me to the church. Well when I got back something wasn't right but I didn't know what.
They had covered up the adultery. LOL. Didn't even tell me. So I invited my bro for dinner and my wife said it's not a good idea. Why? Well some things happened, while you were away. I was pretty devastated. Thry went so far as to say that if I were a real man of God I would have been able to discern while I was in a war that something was going on behind my back.
It was my fault they said.
I've seen so many terrible things happen in the name of keeping numbers up and offerings coming in, but primarily its about total control. They will lose 20 people if they can have total domination over 5.
Praise God
@@Kayz1991 thanks
I just want say it's great you healed. I was healed to when i first became a Christian there. Potter's house in Australia, Brisbane. It was your faith and not the special pastor of church. That's were you have gone wrong. Cult leaders groom you. They even use good things. They condition slowly then abuse comes in but it's not obvious. It takes years to renew your mind on what's really christ and false teaching.
I won't be shocked to hear,if this guy was one of the people who rebel and backsliden from our fellowship,he sounds bitter and angry against us.
That is the typical response from your fellowship for anyone who sees the wrong. Call them a rebel bitter backslidder. Oh you think you came up with that one on your own? You are such a parrot puppet. People do not "backslide from your fellowship." Leaving your fellowship does not equate to leaving God. If you believe that you are truly lost. There is no hope for you, you will be stuck there forever.
FR YES
You're an idiot.
I love the Door Christian Fellowship, I don’t blame him, there are lot pastor that say some dump things, pastor don’t know what their talking about. However we lot of the best preachers in the world!
Who was Jesus most critical of when he was on the earth? He was most critical of the religious pharisees, who thought they were better than everyone else. YOU people from the Potters House think you are better than all other christians. You are arrogant and ignorant.
@@eugenehernandez4868
What he Means to say is... "Those Potter's House Churches won't allow open Sin, they hold to Biblical Standards, they Plant Churches in the Nation's and Fulfill the Great Commission.., And to him, that means IT'S A CULT..!!
*I think it's jealousy...
E.A.R. HAHAHAHAHA yousss darn right we don’t allow open sin and I’m so happy we don’t. It’s gonna keep us from burning in hell. I’m glad my pastor doesn’t sugar coat the word of God. It is possible to lose salvation and backslide. You would know that if you read your Bible. It’s not once your saved your always saved. We send church out to share the gospel to a world who needs it.
Sorry not sure if you were going against what he said of for it lol
@@somedina07 Yes ma'am I believe that too..!
As soon as a Church (Potter's House👍) gets a modern plan from the ancient Biblical Pattern that has been set before us, they carry it out to the Best of there ability with MASSIVELY Good Results in Salvations, Discipleship and Church Planting... And the OTHERS aren't Doing That, Then to them...☝️IT'S A CULT...!!!!!!!!
ps: ministering to the lost is not a perfect science, ya learn over time by mistakes What to do/ not to do.. but At Least WE DO IT..!
The Pharisees thought Jesus was starting a cult which is why they killed him.
Yes Amen Preach!!!!
While this guy is busy talking about my fellowship im out here winning souls to Jesus Christ. Flipping the world upside for Jesus. Love you Pastor Wayman Mitchell if it weren't for you I would be dead. I'll see you in heaven with all the people I led to the lord here at The Potters House Christian fellowship Church. Over a thousand churches and still growing. I Got to go "DISCIPLINING REAL MEN FOR THE HARVEST FIELD."
If the content of your teaching is false then that number may be the number of sorrows + lost souls you laid at the feet of Yahweh...
@@rigavitch there’s no false in that Fellowship. Try it, God is good and Love dear. The number actually exceeds 3000 not only 1000.
I am out of Temecula CA Potters House. I love my church.
Prescott church awesome this sermon here is false because they in sin
I'm just wondering, what are the scriptures that Potter's House is teaching differently than let's say this Baptist Church in the video? My husband and I have been going a couple of months, we have been in many other churches. Since the pandemic, We have found many churches to become woke. One even set up a cocktail clinic inside the church. They have become government churches. Not willing to talk about the last days, and how everything in the last several years are heading in that direction. I haven't found anything in the door church we've been attending that is false. Maybe we need to go there longer and if it is a false church, it will reveal itself.
I think I might have a unique perspective on this subject. I haven’t met anyone with a testimony exactly like mine regarding CFM. I prayerfully hope this helps anyone who reads this: I grew up in Evangelicalism. I am a generational Christian. My parents accepted Christ and live for Christ even now in their 70s decades after becoming born again. I grew up knowing the gospel and accepted Christ very early in life. I went into the Air Force after high school and was invited to the Potter’s House as soon as I got to my first assigned base. I immediately loved the zeal and passion for God! I loved the full expression of the Holy Ghost and the bold witness of the good news of Jesus! Long story short, I stayed a part of the fellowship for 17 years. I became an evangelist and was privileged to preach the gospel in wonderful small churches throughout the southwestern part of the United States. Here is where the problems began. The Fellowship purposefully seeks out unchurched people, not folks who have had positive fruitful godly experiences with other ministries. I’m not saying it’s a rule or impossible for other Christians to join the Fellowship. I’m saying it’s unusual. They prefer their own converts and their own disciples. Why? Usually because of doctrinal differences, even small ones. I knew this and accepted it, believing that God placed me in that ministry. However, over the years more and more people began to come to me in confidence asking for counseling and guidance when I went to preach in different churches in the Fellowship. There were a lot of mental health problems that were not being solved by prayer, Bible study and sermons alone. All of that was immensely helpful, but many needed therapy. Some had PTSD from war, others had sexual violations, many experienced spiritual abuses from pastors as well. This lead to me doing far more theological study and seeking God’s guidance for what I should do. I told the leadership, my Pastor that I believed God wanted me to go to seminary and get a graduate degree in therapy so I could give Christians therapy from a biblical point of view. He didn’t like that at all. Fellowship preachers don’t go to seminary. It’s seen as a waste of time; a place fiery believers lose their passion for God. Let me be clear, that is not true. The Pastor had been trough the Fellowship’s discipleship process, not seminary. I have now been through both the Fellowship’s discipleship and theological seminary. I found both very useful in very different ways. CFM doesn’t want people to get seminary education because they can no longer be controlled. You can answer questions you couldn’t with discipleship training alone. You really learn how much more there is to Christianity than what you get from a local church experience. CFM has a poor theological foundation because the ministers do not have the depth of theological training they need to handle a worldwide movement. They are too insulated from the rest of the Christian community. They believe this is good, but in the end it isn’t because nobody from the outside can correct their toxic leadership blind spots. The narcissistic tendencies are rampant. The fundamentalist paradigms lead to splits every decade since the beginning in the early 1970s. Work/life balance is not something I ever heard in the fellowship because we were always doing something at the church. Church life should be full of good relationships but that comes with healthy balance of time at home with family as well. None of that was taught in that ministry. Only the blood of Christ saves each of us, not any actions done at the church. We do things at church because we love God and our neighbors.
When you look at the list of reply responses to this posting it is very telling. Many short responses are of people stating that the CFM churches love God and people. These are usually members that have been a part of CFM for a shorter time, say 3-5 years or they are ‘pillars’ in their church and have not experienced things from a leadership perspective outside of their local church. They are not responsible for money management, counseling marriages, and deeper theological questions that people build their understanding of the faith upon. Other responses are from people who have experienced the harsh realities of being a part of an authoritarian religious organization. Misunderstood doctrines lead to wrong decisions concerning life choices. This has shipwrecked a number of people associated with this fellowship. New converts to the faith have no way of understanding this. They just want to be free from drugs, have a marriage that works, raise their kids in a peaceful environment, have a stable job and find out what God place them on this earth to do. CFM is built upon a theological doctrine known as fundamentalism which is a modern 20th century reaction to the modern secular world. That might sound meaningless or harmless to the uninformed, but it is not harmless. I can assure you of that. Fundamentalism is NOT a simple back to basics form of Christianity. This doctrine leads to a hyper focus on external behaviors centered around what you can and cannot do. Fundamentalists will say they are not involved with legalism or any form of works righteousness, but their belief system makes it virtually impossible not to fall into such behaviors and mindsets. Yes, many people get free from drugs and alcohol and other besetting sins of the flesh in CFM churches. However, those sins are all too often replaced with a host of other tragic and sinful behaviors such as pride, hard heartedness, rules based living, judgmentalism especially toward other Christians, and grace for the unconverted that is very conditional in practice. Why has this happened with CFM? No one in that organization has done the harder theological work to make sure their belief system is sound in both faith and practice. They are not exactly the same theologically to other evangelical/Pentecostal denominations like the Assemblies of God, Church of God, or the Foursquare Gospel denomination that Wayman Mitchell left to start his own fellowship. None of their leaders are trained in Greek or Hebrew and they haven’t learned textual criticism of any kind to decide what they actually believe based upon their own scholarship. They borrow scholarship from other groups when it suits them and dismiss ideas they don’t like without ever doing the hard work themselves. I know not everyone or even most believers are not going to get all that training. It took me years and multiple degrees to do all of that. My point is that to my knowledge NONE of the pastors in CFM have done anything like that over the decades this fellowship has existed. If you are going to create a Christian organization that professes to reach the world for Christ SOMEBODY in your organization needs to do this theological scholarly work. Otherwise your doctrines can go wildly astray and no one really understands why. CFM is a misguided organization that is theologically dangerous. Beliefs matter. They lead to behaviors, which lead to practices. Why have there been so many splits over the decades? Why have prominent leaders left over the years? Why so many stories of spiritual abuse? Beliefs and behaviors are built upon theology. Theology comes from theologians. CFM has none. This anti-intellectualism is a key part of fundamentalism’s primary problem. The Holy Spirit guides the learner. One of the reasons Paul was sent as an Apostle to the gentiles was his higher education in the study of the word of God. God used his intelligence and training together with his anointing. CFM is not a modern day cult. CFM is an aberration of Christian faith and practice that drifts into heretical practices through authoritarianism, shepherding, and a rush to judgment on a person’s salvation status based on behaviors rather than God being the arbitrator of who has turned from sin and remains under the grace of Jesus atonement.
Both of your comments are excellent observations, thank you.
I was in the Door church in the Netherlands for 34 years and was kicked out for (so called) rebellion. I have noticed a lot of the things that you wrote and also the fact that most ( if not all) CFM christians stagnate in their spiritual growth after some time. Spiritual growth is considered commitment to the church and submission to headship. No preaching about the Holy Spirit indwelling you who gives the grace to live a holy and victorious life. Nothing about the renewing of the mind with the word of God. It's sad to see so many hard working christians living under a yoke of slavery which the bible speaks against in Galatians 5:1. Jesus on the other hand says: My yoke is easy and my burden is light, Matthew 11:30.
I celebrate my freedom in Christ every day since August 2015 when my time at the Door church was over. And in those last 7 years God has restored the years that the locust has eaten. ( Joel 2:25)
Greetings from the Netherlands.
@@margreethakkerman4026 Thank you for your comments. I was in CFM from 1987-2003. I’m coming up on twenty years since I left. I wrote an open letter to the Pastor and the congregation explaining why I was leaving. I personally handed the letter to the Pastor at morning prayer meeting. When I later asked some of my closest friends in the congregation if they ever saw the letter they said they didn’t know I had even written a letter. I can not express how painful this was for me and my young family. Members of the church were instructed not to visit our home or to speak to us. We attended another Christian church in the local area for 6 months until we relocated to Florida where my parents lived so I could attend seminary and go forward with ministry. The Pastor of the local church we attended after leaving the Fellowship was an older much wiser minister that was incredibly helpful and gave us closure for our time in the southwestern part of the USA. He never spoke negatively about other ministries. He wisely pointed to the fruit of any ministry over time especially generations of time. At 55 I’m beginning to understand what that means.
@@mykilahsenwilliamsdorsey1495 The most difficult part of leaving was how we were treated in the process and afterwards. It took quite some time to get over it and to get healed from the pain and coming to the point of forgiving them. But by the grace of God I was able to do it. God used other christians and churches to help us and above all through His healing power that reaches to the depths of your soul. He is awesome.
I felt betrayed when I discovered that there were biblically sound churches in my city and christians that were on fire for God. CFM always pretends to be the only good church in town. I feel sorry for all those people there being deceived in many ways, but that's the problem with deception: you dont see it, you are blind. I pray that they will get back into the freedom in which they started when they first got born again. Legalism is one of the biggest problems in the Door churches in the Netherlands. Now and then you can hear a good sermon if you watch their livestream, but that's not enough to change the whole system. Even though their core beliefs may be correct, their practices and traditions are most of the time dominant.
I hope that you have recovered from your painful experience and have grown in your love for God and people,( I think that you have) .
Greetings and blessings.
Incredible, amazing job!
I wonder who made this pastor angry he just woke up and chose violence 🤣🤣
😂 ikr
This guy is not ok…..
I'm sorry for peoples like him that wastes his time talking about churchs, instead of preaching the word of God. He can does something better for the kingdom of God.
@Revival Amen God bless you i'm from the door cfm in DR
This man needs to realize that the church is the body of Christ and we don’t need to fight against one another. This is sad. It sounds like he’s jealous of the Potters House being more successful than his church.
I go to the POTTERS HOUSE Bakersfield CALIFORNIA. and I HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED ANY OF THESE CLAIMS THAT YOUR SAYING
THE POTTERS HOUSE IS A GREAT CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP.
Peter Quintana thank you Jesus amen Barstow potters house
I had respect for this man, but going out and calling The Potters House "close to a cult" baffles me. Now, I was part of Christian Fellowship which is part of The Potters House, and I did Backslide and left the church. I can say, Out of the many churches with different names that I have been to, The Potters House has been the only one that actually preaches a true gospel, and true discipleship. People leave and talk bad about it, because the pastors there really challenge people to truly give their life to Christ and rid of bad habits, all according to scripture. It is Not watered-down preaching, It is string and straight forward. So, people really cant hang and leave. God Bless The Potters House
Amen
Salamat sa mga nagtiyaga, nagtiis, at nanindigan. I ❤️ Potter's House CFM.
This is how I see it:
If you go to one McDonald’s and they serve you a horrible meal, do you automatically assume all the other McDonald’s are just the same?
I attend the Potter’s House in Las Vegas, but I know that TD Jakes preaches in Texas.
I list to my Pastors, but I don’t listen to TD Jakes.
My McDonald’s/my church has served me a good meal, but I can see that other McDonald’s/church within the “franchise” might serve you a bad meal.
It comes down to the service coming from the management and the employees.
So far I am satisfied with my own personal service, but I cannot defend any other “Potter’s Houses” because I have not had experiences there.
True bro.
The Potter's House by TD Jakes is different to Wayman Mitchell's Potter's House
Both are heretics. The gospel according to Wayman Mitchel is heresy.
God led me to Potters House! Jesus our Lord is in us and is moving. Don’t speak against us!
Why can’t anyone say anything critical or constructive criticism about this Church without being labeled a backslider?
@bulletpoint728 I wouldn’t label them a backslider personally unless that was evident.
why dont go and debate them face to face instead of this?
None of these guys can debate basic biblical doctrines. I am in trouble now for asking basic questions. I am still in the Fellowship..... looking for the closest door, pun intended.
@@JT-ts6nr Good afternoon! I am from a Houston church and would love to have any debate! I too run into a couple of "disciples" uncomfortable with certain Biblical topics but we have an awesome Pastor that is very knowledgable and has no problem being challenged. Personally I take nothing for granted and if you can't show me in the Bible, it's false doctrine straight up.
@carlosiumanzor9340 Too late for me brother. We left the Potter's house 3 months ago.
One passage I can keep you busy with is
Mal 3:8 Will man rob God? Yet you are robbing me. But you say, ‘How have we robbed you?’ In your tithes and contributions.
Mal 3:9 You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me, the whole nation of you.
Mal 3:10 Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the LORD of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need.
Mal 3:11 I will rebuke the devourer for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of your soil, and your vine in the field shall not fail to bear, says the LORD of hosts.
Who is this written to?
Brother the fact that you wrote and preached a whole sermon on one church says enough, Praying for you
This pastor is false
I thank God for the Potters House. I was raised in the Baptist church and never experienced the true power of God. After I got saved I prayed for a good church. I encountered the JW's, Mormons and Catholics but knew in my heart that none of them gave me what I experienced on the 15th of April 1988 at 3pm when I asked Christ into my heart. Then I got an invitation to the Potters House. I have never looked back since then. God through Jesus has redeemed my life. I have been happily married for 27 years with 4 children that love the Lord. I have pastored,, pioneered, evangelized and been a missionary over the last 22 years. God has truly been good to me.
Doesn't make any sense. Millions of people have felt rhe power of God in Baptist. Yet SO many pentecostal including Potters house have a long legacy of backsliding washed up preachers. All the preachers in my Potters house kids backslid, divorced etc. The only thing u experienced is the striking of your ego ya Devil!
So was God just testing you with those other cults jw Mormon etc.? Loser!
Greetings to you and your family Pastor. I am from Norwich, Norfolk, UK 🇬🇧 congregation. I was born and raised in Methodist and I have been in Potters House since 2008. And yes I can testify I have been at peace since then. Healed of different illnesses and going strong.
Great church my wife comes from London church good admospere great fellowship
Amen the potter's house is my family church
This is really true. What they’re most guilty of is eisegesis. Reading a text, which has God’s intended meaning and context, and shoving their own ideas.
It’s a heretical church with heretical teachings. As an ex member, I can agree
The ability to compare notes over the internet wised up a lot of people. At first we were forbid to use internet early 90's. By 2000 so many people had posted stuff and compared notes that it helped a lot of people escape.
Potters house is all over youtube. You are advised that if your in ministry u need to remove your tv. After doing this for many yrs it has kept many worldly views from my mind.
When a Christian church belittles another Christian church, it is a reflection of Christianity to unbelievers who are searching for answers. This teaching if that’s what you call it is based on third party comments and sounds very hateful.
Give me a break! The Potters House always talks bad about other churches. Bunch of hypocrites.
I've attended many times the door and are constantly speaking against other Christian churches...which off the bat stood out to to me. Calling people religious and pastors who are "sent out" not to allow " religious people " into their church in so many words.....and I just now dawned on me comments are turned off on all of their videos on YT
I have been to Potter House. Very welcoming church. Not at all controlling or cultish. This guy is way out of line. 🤦🏻♂️
they try to help, but if u want a weak church that let u sin then thats not church thats catholic
Lol. You’ve been there once or twice. Spend some time then you’ll learn that’s where all your time goes.
@@youngernesto if you love the Lord then shouldn’t the majority of your time be spent serving him? What’s wrong with that if you are a Christian.
Jesus’ disciples are slept and breathed ministry and spent all their time with Jesus didn’t they?
If you don’t like being in church then don’t go. If you don’t like serving in ministry then don’t serve. No one is forcing you to go to any church.
Yeah right. Not cultish? Its not a unknown pattern that people who leave and complain about how controlling they are.
@@johnnewman8322 do you understand there are tons of Potters houses? Not all are the same. There’s over a thousand all with different Pastors. Im speaking of my church. And have you ever thought some people just like to talk trash and be divisive. There are people who talk bad about every church out there everywhere.
A True movement of God... @ The Potter’s House/ The Door CFM Churches!! Thank You Jesus!!!!!!
Yes truly a move of God. I'm in Florida and where seeing powerful work of God.
samantha castro thank you Jesus amen
Barstow Potters house with an urgency expanding the kingdom of God living for our lord and savior Jesus Christ! Against all opposition! God will judge slanderers
samantha castro Tucson Fellowship Potters House
I don’t go to the potters house but I can tell you that they are big a cult lol. Not even close! Every church has bad apples no church is perfect. But these people would literally take the shirt off their back, spend their last dime on you. All they care about is making sure to going to heaven. The only people that have issues with them are other churches, probably because they don’t reach out to real people like the ph does. Look at this guy lol . The last time he he actually talked to a full blown sinner was probably 20 years ago. Again I’m not even a member anymore because I want to do my own thing but let’s keep it real and call it how it is. I’ve never seen a more compassionate group of people anywhere. This guy is coming off arrogant and jealous smh. What a kook
Potters house !! What an awesome church! They preach Christ :).
amen its good church there amen Elliot
They Surely Do Brother E!
This is BK :)
Potter's house (The Door) Where God is changing lives :)
+Nia Marie I go to a chur h called consuming fires with prophet Daniel and his s wife, we are winning souls to and lives are being changed!! I used to go to the door!! its a good church! I would of continued going there but my job moved me and I go to a different church,!! the door does some things wrong but what church is perfect cause us humans are not perfect!! But its good
@Adrian A shoot, I guess it's temporary and not eternal life...
Why would you preach on another church ? I'm sure your church has many issues that your not dealing with " don't point out the spec in your brother's eye when there's a plank sticking out of your eye" foolish no wisdom on this man's part.
Amen!!!!!!!!
Instead of going after the sinner this guy is bashing on one of Gods greatest works. Smh.
This! 💯
Lol you literally made a video on calling out another church. Potters House is a powerful move of God!! Filled with ex cons, hippies, and straight sinners that are transformed by the blood of Jesus Christ!!! You need to just preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and quit tryna judge a powerful move of God!
amen alex
Not ex cons still are cons
@@swwilliams1326ex con life style. According to god all who have gone before god are made whole the past is no longer.
While the physical, but the lifestyle..
What do you mean? They preach the same gospel I read bro
I find it very strange that the moment I share my genuinely negative experience with the Potter's House, people start jumping on and complaining that because they have had a good experience, that mine is wrong. I know what I had to endure, God knows what I went through, other people in the church also left for the same reasons. I feel that this comment section is filled with Potter's House members who are responding with a bias. I'm not interested in the video or the man presenting it... the Potter's House isn't right.
all I can say is that I was in that fellowship and saw many many lives destroyed. While I was fighting in Bosnian in '93 with the Marines, my wife, which was a marriage arranged by the church slept with the drama team leader. He was actually the guy who invited me to the church. Well when I got back something wasn't right but I didn't know what.
They had covered up the adultery. LOL. Didn't even tell me. So I invited my bro for dinner and my wife said it's not a good idea. Why? Well some things happened, while you were away. I was pretty devastated. Thry went so far as to say that if I were a real man of God I would have been able to discern while I was in a war that something was going on behind my back.
It was my fault they said.
I've seen so many terrible things happen in the name of keeping numbers up and offerings coming in, but primarily its about total control. They will lose 20 people if they can have total domination over 5.
Hi. I am a member of this church and sorry to hear about your bad experience. I will not say that your experience was not true at all but, I believe some member's bad behavior does not make the church a cult per se.
Because the church teach about the Trinity, salvation is by faith in Jesus alone and hell is real. This is not the teaching of a cult.
@@skyisthelimit4074 I don't remember ever saying it was an actual cult, but rather that it was a "cult like" church and that many of their practices were bordering on it. You can teach Trinity, salvation and hell and be a cult by the way, those are the foundational teachings of many well known cults, it's the behaviours and practices of that church that define whether or not you can actually classify it as a cult. I.e. control, excommunication...etc. As I said, for me it is bordering on a cult. I also wouldn't say that it is only a few individuals, it is every single church in the UK. I have never had a positive experience with any one of them. Not one Potter's House location will associate with other born again believers outside of the organisation, every single one cuts off members who decides to leave and fellowship elsewhere, they don't even care if the Lord has led that person to go elsewhere. I wasn't only blocked by my Pastor, but I was also shunned by every other Pastor I had ever had an association with in the Potter's House. They simply could not accept that the Lord had called me elsewhere. Didn't matter the fruits. I'm now married to a wonderful man of God, a Pastor in fact of another church and it is the longest I have ever stayed in one church since I got saved. I can't see myself being anywhere else unless the Lord calls my husband to Pastor elsewhere, though I can't see that happening anytime soon. The ministry we are in now has its struggles of course, but has been a huge breath of fresh air for me and I can really see how much I was suffocating under the control of the Potter's House. What is also amazing is that many people from the main branch in the UK have left and joined our church, I never find out until a few weeks into getting to know them that they have come from PH and have had the same experiences and revelation to leave. What does that say about the church if people even from the main branch are leaving to join our ministry, and we don't even know how they come to find us. 🤷♀️
@@EllieJadeOke I know what you meant because as a member of this church I also researched about them and not surprised to hear what others are saying about PH as the borderline cult.
Fortunately, the local church where I am a member is not like what you describe. And I can tell my disagreement in live with our Pastor and he will respect what I have to say and not asking me to leave or calling me a backslider.
Yes, stay with your husband-Pastor and support him for the God's work.
When it comes to church members, people are come and go and that is the reality of it.
I am trying to balance everything and want to be a mature Christian that is why I am open to what people like you are saying about the church while I cannot deny that PH help me to grow as a Christian over the years and somehow help me raised my children in serving God and not getting involved with secular things and bad things like drugs, etc.
Blessings to you.
I see the exact opposite too though. Everyone thinks they are right. Some baptist churches are rediculous you can't even express praise even though all through the psalms.
This guy just said all sin is paid for, so this guy believes he is always saved? Guess, we'll see at the end of the day.
I know the people of The Door and Potters House. They are not caught in any snare. They love Jesus, each other and have a heart for the lost.
Yes.
They a caught in a snare just as you are. Those caught in a snare don’t want to acknowledge it, it is a hard pill to swallow.
@@charlesc6443 What is the snare you speak of? I love acknowledging truths and swallowing hard pills! Just try me.
You would not be able to accept it as you are conditioned to believe you are involved in a "move of God." Truth is you are just like any other religion where they think they are better than all other churches.
@@carlosiumanzor9340 This scripture is for you and your fellowship:
Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? ' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!
I came out of a potters house. I thought we were preaching the true gospel. It was actually almost like a family of people and we did really love each other. I know the true gospel that the man Jesus the mediator between us and God (Spirit) died on the cross for my sins, was buried and rose again according to scripture. I believed on Jesus and can never lose my salvation.. super nice people but they just dont have the right gospel. I remember a pastor say that he says the sinner's prayer every so often just to be sure.. it's sad bc he was my friend and I really did care about his family
We all fall short., every day,...
@@brittneylopez7286 so does that make you a new convert everyday or a backslider every day? The door has ministry requirements. You have to be saved 6 months to date. So does fall short mean you lose your salvation every day? If so how could you ever get 6 months? The mentality and theology is batcrap crazy at the Door.
@@swwilliams1326 By "fall short" I assume the person meant we are all sinners. That is all. And by the way, there is nothing wrong in praying the sinner's prayer often or everyday if you want to. You are only acknowledging that you are a sinner in need of a Savior.
Spends first half of sermon claiming the Potter's House is preaching a false doctrine, preaches the rest of the sermon trying to prove it is impossible to backside. Btw it is possible to completely backside and lose your salvation. Hebrew 6 just to name one?
What others besides Hebrew, you claim
Very true
Why don’t you read your bible and see for yourself?
Mitchell sure backslid
@@somedina07 Mitchell is in hell
Finally found someone that can dumb it down he is saying facts I was in the potters house for 10 years and everything he said was true
Sorry to hear about your experience. But have to disagree with you that everything this Pastor said was true. There is no perfect church.
@@skyisthelimit4074 true there's no perfect church however getting the gospel wrong renders the whole church of no use to the Lord.
@@hloni_saved_by_grace3904 What do you mean by getting the gospel wrong?
The more I listen to this the more I see how way off the mark you are on this one. Your taught in the potters house that family is the most important thing. But it can’t come before Jesus. For example if your brother says let’s go to a bar, you tell I love you but I can’t go with you. Or if you feel God’s call to the mission field and your mom says don’t go cause I’ll miss my grand kids. You have to obey God. The potters house pastors always encourage me to pray about decisions I make. It’s about the will of God
Because I am saved and born again, I want to do things for God. Out of salvation works comes forth. Like James said show me your faith by your what you do.
This comment literally does nothing to prove him wrong.😂😂😂 Smh
@@xochitlsalcido5059 Yes it does...faith without works is dead. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus alone but if you truly believe you will have works to follow.
This is so true of Potters House .All of what you said is true . I attended for 8 years in Darwin Australia . PH has , from inception been plagued with splits , scandals ,fights and mass walk outs . The controversy was always due to money or in other words Mitchells pyramid money scheme . I walked out and suffered all the withdrawal pains of any ex cult member . Blaming myself mainly . I was not good enough . Guilt . Shame . Re adjusting to a changed world . I re committed to The true and living God 4 years ago .I have forsaken all charismatic chaos madness . Tongue talking , false healings , false miracle , false prophecy's . My walk with Jesus today is truly wonderful .
Right there with you. My wife and I. Readjusting is hard because of all the lies youve accepted in your life. I know exactly what you mean.
Never good enough at the CFM
Amen great fellowship
It’s a great felliwship
As someone who went to the potters house for less than a year, and my experience was good,one thing I can say is they’re very demanding on you being there and not missing prayer meetings or outreach as well as services 3 or 4 times a week and I understand the importance of it but when it becomes an issue with them questioning your walk with God then this place is not for you
I will post verses below regarding backsliding. The bible should be what we use to examine a church, not simply vague personal feelings about a church or its leadership.
As for using concerts and music from the world to win people. Paul went into temples, synagogue and places other faith to bring the GOSPEL. He used the prison system to its full extent. He used anything where there was a gathering of people as did Jesus. Is it wrong to gather a people that are unsaved and use it as a chance to bring the gospel? While I don't believe deception needs to be a part of it, at least somebody is trying to target the lost and worldly. I'm sure that can the Potters House can live with that criticism whilst trying to do something to reach the lost. What church doesn't have a BBQ and other social events to help expose people to the gospel.
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Rev 22:19
Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. Romans 11:20-23
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. 1 Cor 9:27
Do you not know that in a race all the runners compete, but only one receives the prize? So run that you may obtain in it. Every athlete exercises self-control in all things. They do it to receive a perishable wreath, but we an imperishable. Well, I do not run aimlessly, I do not box as one beating the air; but I pommel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.
1 Cor 9 : 24-27
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Ephesians 4:30
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou Repent.
Revelation 2:5
And she said, The Philistines be upon thee, Samson. And he awoke out of his sleep, and said, I will go out as at other times before, and shake myself. And he wist not that the LORD WAS DEPARTED from him.
Judges 16:20 THIS Child was called from the womb.
Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him. 1 Sam 16:14
43When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth itempty, swept, and garnished. 45Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last stateof that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
Matthew 12: 43-45 when our lives lack the full filling of God presence after he saves us and cleans our lives up.
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in your name: those that you gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
John 17:12
Below are verse regarding back sliding mostly from new testament, new dispensation. I can find plenty more. Please don’t view this as an attack but, biblical verse that appose your statement on back sliding not being possible. Your view on external security must take the rest of the bible into account and not silence or void another huge amount of scripture.
I Personally believe in External Security from God, meaning nothing can take me from God. The only exception I make, is that I can walk away from him, Satan can’t take me, Isis can’t force me, Jails can’t break me. God will keep me, if I Draw Near TO HIM, He will draw near to me. We Have some responsibility for our salvation. It’s His Gift, He Saves, He works In Us but, you and I have to choose whom we will serve. Choice is not something you do once, it's our continued decision that we still believe and need Chirst till changes us into incorruptible beings with a glorified body!
2 Tim 4:10 For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
Demus back slid, proverbs describes black sliders as a Dog returning to eat his own vomit.
1 Tim 1:18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made SHIPWRECK:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.
2 Tim 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and OVERTHROW THE FAITH OF SOME.19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity (sinl.
These departed the faith and backslid.
John. 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
1 Tim 5:11 But the younger widows refuse: for when they have BEGUN TO WAX WANTON AGAINST CHRIST, they will marry;12 Having damnation, because THEY HAVE CAST OFF THEIR FIRST FAITH.13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.15 For some are already TURNED ASIDE AFTER SATAN
Proverbs 30:8 Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:9 Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the Lord? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.
Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon REMOVED from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Matt. 18:32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I FORGAVE Thee ALL THAT DEBT, because thou desiredst me:33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?34 And his lord was wroth, and DELIVERED HIM TO TOURMENTORS, till he should pay all that was due unto him.35 So LIKEWISE SHALL MY HEAVENLY FATHER DO TO YOU ALSO, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
The Potters House is a great church! Love it!
amen great fellowship
Potter's House people of God,ptr,wayman m, ptr mark aulson n his family from prescott to Philippines Davao City, THANK YOU SO MUCH for making our country n city just like heavens kingdom of God now, halleluiah,amen JESUS CHRIST is LORD n KING,
This man is 💯 my wife drank herself to death and nobody would counsel her because she paid her tithes, and because I asked for counseling for her. As I completed counseling and waited for her for 2 years as a member in phoenix. She abandoned me and alienated me from my children . While living with another man. But yet nobody said anything to her. Cuz she WAS a "p.k"... As they call it.
@@deethamoon3952 what are you talking about???
@@deethamoon3952
all I can say is that I was in that fellowship and saw many many lives destroyed. While I was fighting in Bosnian in '93 with the Marines, my wife, which was a marriage arranged by the church slept with the drama team leader. He was actually the guy who invited me to the church. Well when I got back something wasn't right but I didn't know what.
They had covered up the adultery. LOL. Didn't even tell me. So I invited my bro for dinner and my wife said it's not a good idea. Why? Well some things happened, while you were away. I was pretty devastated. Thry went so far as to say that if I were a real man of God I would have been able to discern while I was in a war that something was going on behind my back.
It was my fault they said.
I've seen so many terrible things happen in the name of keeping numbers up and offerings coming in, but primarily its about total control. They will lose 20 people if they can have total domination over 5.
It's funny but not. All the churches preaching against each other and yet I say anything at all and was punished for it. It's exactly why I said not church, not religion but Jesus alone saves.
Is it any wonder there are so many who have been turned off God complelty.
Where are the churches who acknowledge what is wrong within THEMSELVES?
Yet they get offended when others are open about their own faults.
Go figure.
The whole thing about not being able to walk out of the church is a total lie. The opposite is true. There are times where people have to be thrown out. And offerings are never taken at outreach events.
He does not even know the history of the church.
"There have been rumours"
"A false gospel"
Bro why don't you just preach the bible.
They will beat your eardrums for 10 to 15 minutes on tithing for every pastor who preaches in a conference or weekly Wed services. Which also stood out to me. A person wanted to be baptized and wanted to be saved and gathered that it meant the world to this person and was told they need to wait for a specified amount of time 😮...that blew my mind. This person wants/needs to be saved and baptized so desperately and is told to wait ✋🏽 ....what?
Careful, words will be bring life or death
Whatever measure you use will be measured unto you
Repent now your mockery and slander will destroy you
Satan cannot cast out Satan
No spirit of God in your speech
He is not mocking nor slandering. Your comment shows exactly what he is speaking of. You are sadly misguided and have not heard the truth about the Bible. This man is not, never has been or will be Satan. He is telling the truth too bad you are too blind to see.
PREACH IT AMEN
Ruben Nieto Preach it! Lets pray for this man
@@Ldl13 do you know this man he us going against God let me ask you do you have a relationship with Jesus Christ ? And do you know him as your Lord and Savior?
@@rachelmartinez9797 why is your comment a direct question as to me and my relationship with The Lord Jesus Christ? Who are you to question someone who you have never met about my relationship with my Savior?
Oh must be in the fellowship in which only the people loyal to it know the truth. Girl seek God and seek His Truths in his word.
After a huge church split years ago, many ministers went on to further their own ministry, no shame...those who stayed simply renewed their dedication to their home church, (mother)...some preach with strife, some preach with grace, truth, and love, some for money, some for prestige ...through every failure and scandal. The body of Christ lives on. We aren't perfect, but we're working on it! I personally got saved way back in the first generation, yep, God saved the whole band, EDEN....find fault with that!
This guy isn’t even reading any bible verses. He’s just rambling talking trash about other churches.
This guy has a point. Anyone else ever go to family reunion and feel like you’re the only one saved out of hundreds of people? What’s that tell you??
Why dont we all get together who ever is a preacher teacher n evangelist every single one who teaches the HOLY bible every one no matter what denomination u are from or who u are cant we all get together go search for souls and stop arguments we here to win the lost not arguments of who's best or who's right no one is right period we all have fallen short I wish we would all become one body the body of Christ regardless as along as u know the truth the way and the life
Hell yea
The potters house has a huge ego, they are the elitist Christian’s. The navy seals of Christianity. They will never lower themselves to join with the lesser Christian churches.
I went there years ago. What you’re saying is not true. You should be careful about making false statements. Especially when your standing behind a pulpit.
This guy just gave a list of half truths and misconceptions.🤔
Praise God for the Potters house they preach Jesus Christ. They evangelize the gospel of Jesus Christ. Stop judging let God be the judge. Preach the word of God to the sinners .potter's house is reaching the world with the gospel of Jesus Christ. Potters house is not a cult .I am wash and cleanse by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Proverbs 9:10
King James Version
10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
Wow! All of these years serving God in the fellowship that shared the gospel with me, a young mother, living with a man who wasn't my husband. You would tear down the work that Jesus Christ has done in my life through the Potter's House Fellowship?! You sir are not even sure of what you're preaching. You are misleading your flock. Are you jealous of what God is doing through them? Not communicating with family is an absolute lie! Hearsay and slander is all you have sir. Be careful what you preach from your pulpit sir, as I have lost count of the lies you are telling here. The gospel is preached in every concert scene, it is a platform to preach the gospel sir, to reach the lost. How
can you not see that? Just preach the gospel, as it appears you are making excuses for your own lack.
Before speaking on another church maybe go attend
They're is is not perfect church. I would want to know which is the closest to God's will. I went to Potters house, he was speaking in tongues, but no prophecy. I went up to the altar he said my Cross necklace was idolatry... whhhaaa. I disagreed.. he said the devil could use that as a henderance.. Their were only 6 members at service he still did the offering. Main thing I lean on is God's word.. what he's got to say. I have discernment. I just go to hear what God wants to tell, and if I feel that something's wrong I'll walk out.
Crosses are a bit bad just in the way of promoting Jesus's death instead of promoting hes alive cuz he isnt dead
Silent Echo Pray brother read Gods word . Potter’s House teaches what’s in the Bible
Only six people at service...how does a church begin? So what if he did an offering.
CFM❤ helped me and discipline me so that I can experience God better
Potters house is a genuine ministry that God is using in the last days
God used a jackass too.
Preach the word of God.
2 Timothy 4:2 presch the Word of God
dont think they would force somone to stay in the home to the point of breaking an arm
I ❤️ cfm
With respect brother you are so off in what you are proclaiming bro about the PH in so many areas. I am in Perth West Australia and we have churches all over the world because we evangelise, make disciples and plants churches. People can come and go when ever they like. Doors are not locked nor are people stopped from leaving, I have been in the PH since 1987 and never seen someone stopped from leaving etc as you have claimed. I have served on the church’s council and pastored overseas myself and never did that in my church. You are making statements that are not correct so be careful. We outreach to non churched people… sinners just like Jesus did. We are not focused on church growth from transfer growth of people from other churches but unsaved souls. So what outreaches do you have and how many souls ( non churched people) have you been reaching? One day The books will be open and all will be revealed, if having a love for people and a burden for souls is wrong then I don’t want to be right. I guess Calvinist beliefs will always battle with the concept of making a decision for salvation and of the reality of backsliding back into sin and losing your salvation. FYI - My Pastor doesn’t preach very often on money or giving etc but your referring to sermons and offerings taken at a conference (which is free and open to anyone to attend by the way) That is a totally different dynamic and you don’t have the context, we plant churches from conferences and that takes money and local congregations to rally together and support what God is doing, World evangelism costs money which is why most churches don’t do it. Have you made disciples and planted a church overseas or locally out of your church? In Australia we don’t record individual tithing so not sure how you would know if people pay tithes, or not? that’s between the person and God. You seem to have an issue and focus about money? I could go on and on to refute all of the stuff you are spouting but just be careful brother. Our pioneer Pastors in most cases are tent making ministers until their church can grow and financially become self sufficient and Pastors don’t live the high life and are very accountable. Every church has internal and monthly financial accountability to their headship and external auditors. My Pastor has never tried to run or micro manage my life. Maybe you should focus on preaching about outreaching for souls and stir up a vision for the lost in your people. Many in these last days are in the valley of decision, how will they hear without a preacher. Jesus is coming soon we must work while it is day brother…sinners are the prize, don’t get caught up and lose sight of souls perishing. Jesus has called everyone to be fruitful and reach the lost, there are many great ministries in the earth doing just that and obeying the great commission, the PH is not the only thing God is doing but we are just privileged to be used to reach the lost but it is a movement God is blessing and it is a work of God not of man. God bless your brother just be careful what you claim as truth about our fellowship when you don’t have context and listening to disgruntled people will always give you a tainted view. I am married 34 years, been in pastoral ministry and pioneered a church, all my children are serving God. August 16 1987 I walked into a PH church knowing no one or anything about the church, I heard a clear gospel message and was convicted of my sin before God, I repented of my sin and asked Jesus into my heart receiving assurance of my sins forgiven having come from a outlaw MC background I was set free of many vices and burdens from sin and forgiven. I am one satisfied customer and God is awesome.
Amen to this Bro, Glory to God! God is moving in the PH fellowship globally, there is no shadow of a doubt.
Perth Australia is where Valk backslid or was that Netherlands??
Also why did vandierman leave? Not many comments or support for such a huge move of God. Your just full of yourself.
Are you the guy who had the bike accident?? You hit your head pretty bad.
JESUS TOLD HS DISCIPLES TO GO OUT AND PREACH TO ALL CREATURES There r alot of people who need Jesus,,,PASTOR,,FOCUS ON THAT AND LET GOD DEAL WITH THE REST HE IS IN CONTROL.YOU CONTRIDICT THE BIBLE AND YOURSELF,,BE CAREFUL WHO YOU R CONDEMING U WILL ANSWER TO THE LORD JESUS..BEEN IN POTTERS HOUSE FOR OVER 30 YRS.NO ONE THERE CONTROLS ME OR EVER HAS..I LIVE TO PLEASE GOD
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
Mark 13:22-23 KJV
You are one of this" pastor"
Amen
That's funny because that's exactly what the door does. Signs and wonders.
@@johnnewman8322 but if you question them on it your blaspheming the holy spirit...they say
CFM doesn't meet your beginning definition because 1 we have no additional writings outside the Bible. So.....
I mean what exactly is the false doctrine we teach?
Wow, I’m flabbergasted with what this joker of a preacher is saying. He said he’s heard “stories” and that’s his basis for all this babblings. Potters House members aren’t forced to stay in church out of fear like this guy claims. Anybody can walk away if they want to, but those who know the truth stay because they have been delivered from dead religion.
Sure they do. If it aint true why are u flabbergasted? If it weren't true you wouldn't care. But your brain washed
i was saved in the potters house when it was foursquare in 1974, mitchell was on fire for souls back then, when he pulled away from foursquare he began to get very legalistic, i still think i got a firm spiritual foundation, it is not a false gospel as this guy is claiming, they are just legalistic, but thats not a false goapel. im going to a baptist church now & miss the energy & passion for souls that potters house has
Pastor, why are you falsely accusing them of greediness? That’s called slander.
Something else to Note: Victory Chapel falls under The Paul Campo dynasty. He got sent out from Prescott to his hometown of Hyannis/Cape Cod in the early heyday but, he strangely never returned to Prescott Bible Conference every 6 months. Why? So VC doesn't tithe back to Prescott they tithe to Campo who holds his own Bible conference. I wa
What if the lame man did not pick up his mat and walk? What if he had just laid there "believing"?
And what if the thief just didn't believe and hung there on the cross?
ur video calls them a cult yet both belive in Jesus the son of God... this looks like division
I been in the Potter's House for over a year, the thing that sticks out is you have to give 10% and if you don't you are stealing from God. The more money you give the more blessings and favor you have. Don't tith and you are cursed what a curse. Also if you don't give that 10% then you are taking basically a loan from God and need to pay back in interest.
You might have a problem with 10% to support the church you went to...but I spent hundreds of pounds a month...in the nightclub on drink.and drugs and it wasn't a problem.
But to give towards the upkeep of the church is something that we should be proud to do.
Read Malachi chapter 3.
Salvation produces good works, Good works do not produce salvation!!
He sounds like he has a little bit of sugar in his tank...
Mico what the heck your doing here
What are you doing here???🤔
Mico Samaniego watching some bitter guy ramble 🥱🥱
where Jesus Christ changing lives!
Not good to talk about a work of God. I used to go to The Door many years ago and went there for 26 years. They are a good fellowship and win souls. Be careful how you go about defining a cult.
What happen brother you dont go anymore? Come back we need you look at whats happening now dont turn away and thanking for standing up for the door 👍🔥💪💓
Yes brother right now is the time to come back! Jesus is our only eternal Hope
He can still be saved if he’s left the church . It’s a relationship with Jesus, and He might go to another church now .
Not all churches of door and potters house are run the same and many are good. A lot may be small and struggle financially to stay open. I went to a Baptist church and the bishop had the nerve to say quote "I'm not ready for Jesus return. I want to keep getting it on with my wife even if I need Viagra" now that was an abomination
You are now making up things! They didnt say if you dont give you will go to hell! You have lied right there. It is encouraged now forced but because you take the truth, you lie as you cannot handle it.
It is the truth, you are told that if you don't tithe, you are disobeying God and you will go to hell! I know, I went to a fellowship church for several years, I know their false doctrine!
@@bf2842 been going to the Potters house for several years. They don’t claim that you go to hell if you don’t tithe not even close. They do say it is not being obedient though to not tithe. Ten percent is biblical. Do you believe the Bible? You should tithe. But they never say you will go to hell. Where do you get that nonsense???
If the Potters house is so right why do they have to fiercely defend themselves? Jesus didn't say a word.
I believe it is also worthy saying one's experience of transformation. From being a sinner to a follower of Jesus Christ.
This guy got a whole lotta sugar in his tank gods word changed my life at the potters house in west valley Utah
😂😂😂
Yes me to in seattle same fellowship
Santana Montes beats his wife and watches gay porn tho. JK bro. Yeah, the Door targets latinos because of your fear based catholic upbringing. THE pastor is your priest now. And God didn't change your life. Your still full of fear.
@@verodiaz13 it takes one to know one. Loser
@@jesuslovesyou1881 women aren't permitted to speak in PH go sit down! Your out of line
Rest assured, the Potter's house is not of God.
It sounds vaguely familiar. I looked up these people locally - they say this about salvation:
1. Salvation is initiated by a prayer of faith in Jesus.
2. Salvation is completed by God's grace.
3. Salvation is maintained by a lifestyle of Biblical righteousness.
4. Salvation is demonstrated by works.
5. Salvation is lost when we sin and do not repent.
6. Salvation is necessary to enter Heaven in eternity.
Very salvation by personal works, by works of the law, and the cross of Christ is nowhere in view.
Yeah, its true. Its a program.
The Bible says all that about salvation. Idk why you think it's wrong but it's God's word you have a problem with. Not the church. You can lose your salvation, salvation does involve works for the kingdom of God, salvation does have to be maintained. Jesus died on the cross so we could have a chance to have salvation. You do need to have salvation in order to make heaven your home. If youre not saved you are gonna be separated from God. Don't be fooled by this sermon this man preached about.
@@mufasa6768 if Jesus died for our salvation, and it's only a chance, what is the chance that he rose from the dead too? If it's only a partial introduction to salvation, and the rest depends on our works, then how is it salvation in any sense? Why did he say "I am the way" if works are the way?
No idea what this guy is on about I am in the Potters House but I was completely lost before I got saved Potters house reach souls and preach Jesus. Nuff said.
By the way, this one is for free, usually you can't leave a cult.
They don't control nobody but they preach sound doctrine. Which doesn't tickle our ears.
I guess the HOLY BIBLE is worldly 🤔Really...It’s all about JESUS CHRIST🥰
I agree with all that your saying, the lord has lead me out of this church🙏
It’s not the lord this pastor is false
@@willemlenteren1485 John 8: 7
...seeing people get baptized in the holy ghost, seeing God confound Muslim meetings with conviction and conversions of precious Muslim people, and watching Pastor Wayman Mitchell drive a used car with millions of dollars coming to the church! The kingdom of God does not translate to spiritual mediocrity and carnal revelations. May God open your soul and spirit to one of history's most powerful revivals ever!
I was saved in potters house , praise God , its a good church , i like potters house cfc the door
I was saved before I went to the PH but, they said it wasn't valid because I made the decision as a teen-ager.
Potter's House don't preach what is being described in this video. So weird.
What gives the confidence, that you are right and they are wrong, if think you are are standing be lest you fall!
Because this pastor actually heard God's voice and that's how he knows he is right. He is not following a church's doctrine like CFM he is following the word of God! That's how you know you are in a cult, when it's so plain in front of you, but you can't see it because you are so blinded and by the lies you have been indoctrinated in.
Take you own advice Elvis
This pastor is crazie the pottershouse have great sermons
If we follow scripture, however one judges, they shall be judged. He is taking the worst scenarios of other churches and displaying them as though they are the norm.
Sounds the same as what cancel culture does. Politicians, anti police, and any other who has little facts except a few testimonials and Google.
I don't know who you are, yet I pray God's mercy and grace upon you all when it's your turn to be judged on these teachings, your church, your lifestyle, what you allow yourself to be taught, and how you talk about those who labor for God.
When you take the place of pastoralship, your soul will be judged twice. Once for yourself, and once for the souls you have swayed...
Please get the facts of your subjects, before casting stones. On this your way off
I spent my teen years and my early 20s living in fear while attending the Door Christian fellowship. I can attest to the fact that they do use shunning and fear tactics to manipulate there congregation. Even holding "teen" boot camps during the summer mixing religious doctrine with marine corps recruit training methods. I want to get my family away from this oppressive organization but I can only do so much.
@@redink9127 pottershouse is really good I never leave it
It is better to live in fear than to lose your life decieved and in hell for eternity
Jonny Rivera it is better to live in fear than to be in hell for eternity dont run from the truth or excuse it truth hurts but its for your own good narrow path few will enter if you fear God you are blessed no offense but you should fear God and not be here on earth for his wrath 😱
@JohnnyRiver i spend my teenage years too in fear too because i was still living with a guilty concience but and i dont regret because now that i let go of the world and everything in ive never been 😊 happier
Johnny Rivera its sounds like you have given up on God dont
Why don't you just focus on preaching the word of God. What you're doing bashing The Potter's House off he/she said is foolish and irrelevant. Praise Jesus Christ and I'm out of The Potter's House right here.
I seen miracles of healings and blessing from that church.
My wife cheated on me with a guy at the Door while I was overseas and the church tried to cover it up.
Ok.
all I can say is that I was in that fellowship and saw many many lives destroyed. While I was fighting in Bosnian in '93 with the Marines, my wife, which was a marriage arranged by the church slept with the drama team leader. He was actually the guy who invited me to the church. Well when I got back something wasn't right but I didn't know what.
They had covered up the adultery. LOL. Didn't even tell me. So I invited my bro for dinner and my wife said it's not a good idea. Why? Well some things happened, while you were away. I was pretty devastated. Thry went so far as to say that if I were a real man of God I would have been able to discern while I was in a war that something was going on behind my back.
It was my fault they said.
I've seen so many terrible things happen in the name of keeping numbers up and offerings coming in, but primarily its about total control. They will lose 20 people if they can have total domination over 5.
People throwing crutches and wheelchairs right??
@@swwilliams1326 "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." - Leviticus 20:10
Matthew 12:46-50
New King James Version
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers Send for Him
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”
So family really according to Christ Is Christians
why should you preach religion . why cant you Just preach Jesus and the resurrection of Jesus this is what they teach How many souls are you winning to christ? you winn no body to christ kingdom
Because they are "baptist"
The door saved my wife and me!
Listening to this whole thing I find it very ironic because on Wednesday the Pastor of the Potters house I go to did a whole message on staying connoted to your family and how important that is wether your family is saved or not how important those relationships are. Complete opposite of what this Pastor is saying about them. He clearly has no first hand knowledge of them or what they actually teach. I wonder how he would like it if people speak or poorly about his church from non baptists and ex church members testimonies. It’s sad. Causing major division in the church.
Your Pastor must be an exception then, because my pastor only allowed his wife to fellowship with her saved family members (all of whom were attending a Potter's House church). As for her unsaved sister, she was the black sheep of the family and it wasn't encouraged. We were all warned about not associating too closely with unsaved relatives, and to keep them at arms length.
@@EllieJadeOke maybe your church was the exception? The church I got to was a direct church plant from the one in Prescott. I have heard strange stories from some of the Potters houses on the East Coast and in the south so who knows. I can only really speak for my church. The point is this guy is bad mouthing all Potters Houses when there are Hundreds of them. They should each be judged individually in my opinion.
@@jdj2022 I've been to three different ones. They were all the same. I'm from the UK and there have been people from all over the UK complaining of the same issues. All of those people have found ways to leave respectfully but were outcasted as a result.
@@EllieJadeOke that’s the UK. Way different. I have no idea how things are in the UK. I can only speak from my experiences here. I know for a fact it isn’t like that in my church in California US. You must have really liked the potters house out there at one point to go to 3 different ones though?
@@jdj2022 actually, I was a lost baby christian and moving around cities. I was made to believe that it was wrong for me to go to any other church and that it was considered "church hopping". So I stuck with Potter's House until I grew up spiritually and realised that their doctrines were ridiculously wrong. Why do you assume that I 'really liked' being there? I feel like you have some kind of a bias to be making bold assumptions like that. Also, Potter's House is the same wherever you go, they all teach the same doctrines, have the same mentality and ideology. I've seen videos of people in Australia facing the same issues. It is all very much the same.
The Door is wonderful they have helped me with my walk with Jesus Christ, they don’t ask you to do anything weird they’re not a cult! If you call a church a cult cause all they care about is worshipping Jesus well then I guess we’re a cult lol Jesus is the way the truth and the life amen 🙏🏼
180 degrees? Like the repent of your sins or turning your life around? LOL They’re not even TRYING to hide their disgusting works based salvation!
Steven Baughman it should be more like 0 degrees because once saved there is no turning back.
Steven Baughman should believers not turn from sin. Is it wrong to encourage all to turn from sin.
We all appreciate that faith saves us. Sin separates us from God. Both are biblically sound statements. I don't see how that promotes a work based salvation. Otherwise James 2. Faith without works is truely what you ask people to present. We can keep reducing the teachings of the bible. Love but no fear of God, Faith but no works, Forgives but no sin, it would make no sence.
Mister Sparks And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 5:31-32 KJV
All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.
Therefore all are in sin and need Jesus.
Jesus says He calls sinners to repentance. PS. Repentance is not a work, its a change of direction. God's empowerment gives us the strength to walk that new way.
We turn,
God empowers!
This is not a works based salvation.
Mister Sparks perfect. So you get it now. Repentance is us turning to God. By nature of turning to Him that is good, we must turn away from sin. Thus, all faith in Jesus requires turning from sin. We are saved by faith, therefore forsake sin.
God justifies us not as a result of our perfect adherence to the laws but, because by faith we are In Christ.
You cannot be In Christ and live a life to willfull sin!
There is no more SCARFICE for those once enlightened, Christ cannot die again. The context of this verse was preach to the lost! not debate with backsiders. The point was you can do nothing more than give the gospel, don't try to persuade by adding to the death of Jesus.
To be I. Christ you must turn to God and turn from sin.
Hence the battle of a believers is to walk in the spirit. Both my previous statements are true. The reason they are true is because they are taken from the bible. I will not change the interputation to help me feel justified. Let the bible speak for itself.
I find no contradiction in saying repent and repent for your sins. Provided you turn to God, both are the same. The problem is some legalistic "Christians" hear turn from sin and start saying Christians believe in a works based salvation, most of the time they do not. People simple hear what they want to label someone a heritic without just evidence.
Hence I said I don't believe in turning from sins to be saved. You are saved by turning to god. Unfortunately repent to a critical audience today simply means to turn away (but turn to what, our own good ideas? ) , in the bible repentance specifically means turn to God, expect in the case of Judas. True repentance is Godly sorrow, not remorse. Its turning to God!
Unfortunately our sin has been elevated to a position greater than God wanting to know us and hold a relationship with us.
God does not say believe in me and so you can be forgiven, He says he has plans, purpose, a future, He loves us. He is our confident father, not because what He can do for us, but, because that's who God is!
While I thank God for the law. God bought us a better covenant so we don't need to attack people for there past sins. We can preach Christ crucified.
We can point to Jesus clearly, people hear the gospel and be filled with awe and wonder and faith in Who God is. God will bring convictions turning people to follow and trust Him. Good Preacher don't need to name sin, God speaks to the person about their specific personal sin.
We still have the laws to educate us that God could not be statified by obedience to the laws, but only by faith. The law also shows us when out faith is weak or not in proper use, as it reveals the evil unbelife and sin in our lives. Its a good school master showing us our errors so we can try again by faith.
Repenting of sin. Or Repent and believe.
The crucial factor as you read those statements is, weather repent is just turning from sin or the biblical repentance which turns us to God thus causing you to turn from sin.
Repent = turn from sin (not accurate rendering of meaning)
Repent = turn to God (resulting in a turn from sin)
Hate preachers make alot of repentance and its dual meaning in the eyes of Christianity today. It's unfortunate they say most of the church world believe in a works based salvation, its simply not true, most churches hold to by faith alone, the difference is they are not afraid to examine peoples faith by using the laws like any good school master testing the pupils.
They then make videos like this to spew criticism and hate speech. Paul rejoiced when Christ preached even when the motive behind it was wrong, I'm not saying he supported false teachers, but I'm sure he would have some strong view on this. Those who are not against us are for us.
It states: "When Ananias and Sapphira attempt to deceive the Apostles and the people Peter appears as judge of their action, and God executes the sentence of punishment passed by the Apostle by causing the sudden death of the two guilty parties (Acts 5:1-11)".
God doesn't play with money. God killed two people for lying about money
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**Reformed doctrine, also known as Calvinism, is a theological system that was developed by John Calvin during the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century. While it has gained a significant following and has had a profound impact on Christian theology, there are several reasons why some individuals and religious groups consider reformed doctrine to be incorrect or flawed.**
1. **Limited Atonement:** One of the key tenets of reformed theology is the concept of limited atonement, which states that Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross was only intended for a specific group of people known as the elect. According to this view, Christ's death did not provide salvation for all humanity but only for those predestined by God to be saved. This notion contradicts the widely held belief in Christianity that Jesus' sacrifice was meant to offer salvation to all people who accept him as their savior.
2. **Predestination:** Another central aspect of reformed doctrine is the belief in predestination, which asserts that God has predetermined who will be saved and who will be damned. According to this view, human beings have no free will in matters of salvation, as God has already chosen those who will receive his grace and eternal life. This concept raises significant theological and philosophical questions about human agency, moral responsibility, and the nature of God's justice and love.
3. **Double Predestination:** Building upon the idea of predestination, reformed theology also teaches the concept of double predestination, which posits that God not only chooses some individuals for salvation but also actively chooses others for damnation. This belief implies that God creates some people with the sole purpose of condemning them to eternal punishment, which many find morally problematic and incompatible with a loving and just God.
4. **Determinism vs. Free Will:** Reformed doctrine leans heavily towards a deterministic understanding of human actions and events, suggesting that everything is ultimately under God's control and predetermined. This perspective raises questions about the compatibility of human free will and divine sovereignty. Critics argue that a deterministic view undermines human responsibility, accountability, and the meaningfulness of moral choices.
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