LARGE ancestries, Awakened Animals, and MUCH MORE in Pathfinder 2e's HOWL OF THE WILD!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- I cover HOWL OF THE WILD, which introduces large ancestries, has plenty of new options including awakened animals and werecreatures, archetypes, new monster adjustments, and a bestiary!
0:00 Intro
1:44 New ancestries
5:37 Being a werecreature
8:08 Class options
10:42 Archetypes
17:20 Animal companions
18:17 Grafts, other equipment
21:03 New creature adjustments
22:08 Monster spotlight
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ADDITIONS/ERRATA:
-Player Core says that riders only need to be 1+ size categories smaller than the mount. The restriction of 2+ size categories applies to PCs riding PCs ONLY. Aaaaand the exception to this is the Centaur. There does NOT seem to be language about some Awakened Animals (e.g. awakened horses) getting the same treatment, however. ☹As a GM though I would allow it.
-ON RARITY: all these ancestries are Uncommon, except Awakened Animal and Surki are Rare. Werecreatures are also Rare. Many of the advanced animal companions are Common (including some flying ones). All the archetypes are Common except Swarmkeeper and Ostilli Host (Uncommon) and Werecreature (Rare).
-Centaurs and Minotaurs have heritages that allow them to be Medium-sized with a minor other advantage.
-Centaur has a Level 5 feat Accommodating Mount, which gives a PC riding you 3 actions per turn (you still have 2 actions)
-Merfolk don't have feet, and so they only have a 5' land Speed and can't improve this until later. The L5 feat Strong Tail increases your speed from 5' to 15', and L9 feat Shore Gift lets you you have two feet (and gain a land Speed of 25'). It is an alternate form that you spend 1 action to get in and out of.
EDIT: This book introduces the SUPRAMARINE CHAIR: "A supramarine chair is a wheeled, water-filled bath or tank, originally designed by merfolk, for assisting aquatic people’s mobility on land. A supramarine chair functions as a wheelchair (Player Core 293), with the heavier-duty land-delver’s chair functioning as a traveler’s chair." This also bypasses the merfolk's usual issue that it can't be outside of water for more than 24 hours (-1 Fortitude) or 48 hours (suffocation).
-At my tables, I probably would remove the restriction of "permanent wings" from Winged Warrior and allow ancestries who have a feat allowing them to get temporary wings to take it. Already, some Level 1 ancestries arguably can take this (Strix, Sprite with Evanescent Wings, etc.).
Question: if you give a merfolk a wheelchair like the one they showed off in the announcement images, would they still only have a 5ft land speed?
Were you saying that the normal Mount rules say that you can only mount a creature two sizes larger than you? Or does that only apply to PCS mounting other pcs?
@@undrhilAs written, only for PCs on PCs. Player Core's rules for Mounted Combat say in general there only needs to be a 1+ size difference
@@IamWalkingDead1 Ah! There's a "supramarine chair" introduced under Adventuring Gear! Adding to the comment!
Will you do a separate video for the new druid and animal instinct barbarian forms?
Howl of The Wild and Starfinder 2e now effectively bring three of the four biggest meta changes: reach stuff, size stuff, and range stuff. Once we crack how to have more than 2 hands then really any ancestry is possible
I'm hoping for a 4 armed race akin to D&D's Thri Kreen.
Maybe for PF2e, require them to use light weapons for each arm if they are all in use or the small arms equate to using a shield with a 2H weapon. Basically, limit the possibility of dual wielding 2h weapons for an Ancestry Feat. Naturally, would have to come at some other cost but being able to make a 2 handed Melee weapon using Thaumaturge would be cool as hell!
@@hellfrozenphoenix13 to me hands are as powerful as actions, since drawing/swapping are single actions. Really any way to do it in line with that power level works. Heck, I'd probably allow for something like Haste to be effectively growing a third hand
@@hellfrozenphoenix13 Ive read that Starfinder 2e will add multi-armed options
@eothorn3217 heck yeah, I'm in love with it!
@Pathsfound yeah, agreed. Having multiple arms would probably have to give less base HP (like 6) or something akin to make it balanced, because two extra arms (assuming they work like normal arms) would enable things like a dual wielding Ranger who always has a knocked bow ready to fire and that can be a bit strong.
I can finally be a Disney princess as a bard with the Zoophonia muse.
This book allows all yhe Disney princesses.
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omg a flying mount 💀 so happy they made it feasible for everyone now. I’ve seen many complaints about how it’s rare and only champions at late game get access to mounts that can fly, great coverage as usual ❤️
I think the riding rules are expanded from the existing rules given in the section for the Sprite ancestry.
So happy to see swarmkeeper, all I've wanted was to be able to have a rat swarm as a goblin and the game has made it so frustrating to do that until now
Wild mimic looks like it's essentially a FF blue mage. It's Gau.
Lawyer skimming skills? You mean lawyer skimming superpowers. 😉
Gosh, I’m soooo happy Howl of the Wild is a thing, I’m always was yearning for more animal-focused ancestries and options in PF2e ever since I started getting into it and this is just wonderful. And the werecreature dedication, as well as rules for Large PCs, is really cool!!! Now all there needs to be is a supplement book just focused on dragons in the way this book is on animals and I will be extremely happy :3
Same!!
Battlezoo Dragons is a well regarded 3PP
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG ah right, I forgot that exists. Thank you!!
My first ever DnD character was a cowboy Minotaur so I am stoked to see this come to pathfinder 2e
Of course Centaur doesn't have extra Reach. The Bestiary Stats don't have it, and they would fall under Large Long in the size table. Long creatures, typically quadrupeds, have less reach than those who fall under the Tall category. Minotaur and Centaur represent these two categories.
The distinction between Tall and Long creatures is from PF1 - in PF2e nothing has reach unless it's spelled out. But yes overall your logic is right!
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG The Remaster Player Core 1; pg. 421 has a table about size and reach. It says most in the section the table is in, but that only means there are exceptions to the rule. I wouldn't be using game terms if they weren't already in the game.
Honestly the Centaur would have a torso close to the size of a Human, which is my primary logic for them not having reach. The game backing it up with an actual ruling is just nice.
@@Olimar92 Oh good call-out to the Table. And right, it says "typical" reach; it still needs to be spelled out in the statblock. (IIRC PF1 just assumed you knew this... It just said "Ogre... greatclub" and you were supposed to extrapolate that it had a 10-foot reach)
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Oh my gosh! So you're telling me as a bard I can now be a Disney princess? Let's go!
As a ranger main, I was really excited for new ranger focus spells, but that new Ranger focus spell is... Frankly dreadful, and makes me much less hopeful for any others coming in the book... For some of the same reasons why Ranger's Bramble is pretty dreadful:
- The range is abysmal, if you're that close to an enemy you're probably a melee ranger, which means if you wanna make the enemy off-guard for one action you could just try and get a flank with a stride or command an Animal Companion, which is significantly easier and doesn't have a high chance of failing.
- The high chance of failing is because Rangers aren't usually starting with more than 14 wisdom, their lv 1 DC is probably only going to be a DC 15 at most which is pretty below average, even a CR -1 creature is gonna make that save about half the time, anything over that is going to make the save well over half the time.
- Because of that, you'd expect it to do something on a successful save still, but... No, it just has no effect... Over half the time this spell does literally nothing.
- This is made even worse when you remember that Rangers primal spell proficiency doesn't scale well (expert at lv 9, master at lv 17).
- Because of all that, like with Rangers Bramble, the crit fail effect is only ever going to happen on a nat 1 no matter how much you debuff the enemies, even accounting for will potentially being the 'worse' save this is never going to happen.
- I get that it makes them off guard to all allies, but the success rate is still appalling, there's so many other ways to achieve this same thing but better...
Its value is teamwork. There's value in making a foe off-guard to the whole party even on a regular "success," giving the entire party +2 to attacking it. (Not everyone wants to take what is probably a single spot that grants flanking, and it costs an action to get to.) One of the benefits for the Rogue Scoundrel subclass is to get that effect on a CRITICAL success..
And yes, spell proficiency not increasing for Rangers IS a problem!
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG To add onto that teamwork, this is a way for your RANGED teammates to get off-guard. There are very few ways to allow ranged characters off-guard. Even the scoundrel rogue only helps your melee teammates.
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG I think that's a really good point and has made the spell go up in my evaluations! But it does still leave me with the range issue, and the really big issue of the save DC...
I feel like ultimately, the spell is just too much of a high-roll spell, when that effect works it's truly incredible and potentially tide-turning! But whether it works or not is such a big risk compared to casting something like gravity weapon for a consistent dmg buff, or Heal Companion/Animal Hide if you're an AC build...
I don't know if it would help that much for it to have the following crit success and success effects:
Crit success: the creature is unaffected
Success: The creature is off-guard to you until the start of your next turn.
Similar to create diversion for getting off-guard, but with a longer duration.
So... Now we can play World of Darkness in Pathfinder 2e? Cool!
The concert frog at the end is probably a reference to the (sadly now extinct) gastric brooding frogs, whose reproductive cycle involved incubating their young in the stomach of the mother.
Amazing video, I'm hyped for this book
New to your content. You are very well spoken and your presentation is very well done. The overview is also really good, and really helped me get a better grip of some of the things I was reading in Howl of the Wild already.
Really enjoyed the video.
You're the first to really hype me about this book
Great overview and commentary :)
This video was epic and Kino and me and Caleb loved it
This book seems absolutely fun and amazing!
There is so many content in PF2e and they still add more and more stuff.
Nice.
Chuck tingle one-shot when?
*What he said:* they (Awakened Animals) can be anything from Tiny up to Large size.
*What I heard:* you can play as accurately sized Mantis from Kung Fu Panda.
*What he later said:* Swarmkeeper Archetype.
*What I heard then:* Shino from Naruto.
*What he also said:* Winged Warrior Archetype.
*What I--you get the gist:* That big chicken from that Chinese animation (Fog Hill of Five Elements or sumethin)
WE ARE EATING GOOD WITH THIS BOOK, GUYS
I haven't been so excited since the Leshy
I can't wait until this is out!
It's funny, I'm running a path to learn the system, but this book is perfect for my next nature based campaign
This is awesome.
Looks pretty solid.
Can't wait to get this book into my hand.
Definitely liking this book by the looks of it. PF2E is definitely my go to fantasy d20 system. I was looking into Starfinder but with 2E coming out soon I will hold off before splurging on books
Wild Mimic Dedication is literally Gau from Final Fantasy 6! I LOVE IT!!
This thumbnail 🥵
But this book looks so good! I've wanted to make a frog monk that uses their tongue (ala Wu from Gigantic) for YEARS! Paizo answered my unspoken prayers!
Truly wild! =D
Cool for new animals for the Animal Instincr Barbarian! I thought of an iruxi barbarian beastkin(I know not optimal) animal instinct barbarian, just for the weirdness of all the animal; a lizard person transforming partway into a wolf an then again into something else? Weird but cool, and now there's even insect to choose from! (Although I find the ankylosaurus to coolest for the concept).
Edit: If free archetypes are a thing an iruxi with a talon from being an animal instinct barbarian with that access might be interesting for the Clawdance archetype. A claw in one hand, the talon in the other.
Nice Video. Some remarks from me:
3:10 We already have those in Secrets of Magic, "Riding Sapient Creatures" near Steed Form.
And on the Ancestry Guide, Sprite Ancestry, "Riding PCs"
However, these ones require 2 size categories difference.
8:45 A Polymorph effect that _increases_ your size. Plenty other polymorph effects.
Also work with Dragon Transformation Barbarian.
16:38 Looks like a "Summon Kaiju" variant.
18:18 Primary reason for Grafts, is probably so the 3 body part Archetypes are not limited to some ancestries.
19:00 Yeah, the work similar to tatoos.
20:36 They are still trying to make Catalysts "a thing"?
Takes up hand, 1 action to draw, 1 action to use _and_ Comsumable? Yeah, no thanks.
22:20 "Finally, Chimera makers realized they should actually try some different heads for once!"
22:46 "They spend so much time to wonder if they could, they never asked if they should. But they are Chellaxians, they would probably would have answered "yes" either way."
23:35 "Matrioshka Frog"
Healer's Gel is actually a pretty good spell catalyst, fyi. Give it a look.
@@kylestanley7843 Yeah, that one I can see. Ideal to mix into your 2 Action heal.
I loved Ultimate Wilderness from 1E and this looks like a worthy successor. My kingdom for a Concert Frog mini..!
Ronald, I love you man, but you look exhausted, please try to rest a bit. I know you are facing a lot, but pls take care of yourself 2
Thaumaturge w Wild Mimic could be an interesting character
Been looking forward to this book for a while. I basically want to roll 4 new characters at this point, and now it's time to settle on one I suppose.
lol same
You can tell a supplement is good when it makes you want to do way more characters than you can play as
Thinking about that minotaur reach, I wonder if that will pair well with guardian
Well that answers the question of rarity and requirements for werecreature. Still wondering what the rarity for awakened animals will be
Niceeeeeee❤
Swarmkeeper archetype and Graft sounds quite like the Plasmids from Bioshock xD
Minotaur Stretching Reach is good and I like it. But 2h Weapons can already get reach if so desired. It is sort of like a d10 to d12 die bump. Allowing a Greataxe or Greatsword to get reach. Good, but I don't see it too powerful. They could just use a polearm if the want reach otherwise.
22:15 Laios approves
Does the centaur get any feats to make the whole player mounting thing less terrible?
Good question! There is a Level 5 feat Accommodating Mount, which gives a PC riding you 3 actions per turn (you still have 2 actions)
(adding to pinned comment)
Guess I have to rewrite my Quetzalcoatlus knight archetype to be an advanced companion. I had it glide from level 1, and unlock mounted flying at level 16! I was just two levels off...
Bard are even more of the Disney Princess class than before.
I just went to the 26th KVMR Celtic festival and they had d&d. Unfortunately I was a roving photographer and I just ran out of time to go and document it more
I don't want to have to wait two weeks for this.
usually how long does it take to update aon for these type of books?
I will finally be able to play a werehouse!
I think the intent of the werecreature discrepancy is that werecreatures by curse cannot control themselves when changed - werecreatures by birth can control themselves after the change, and the archetype's description was vague to contradict neither
Could you please clarify the mount size restrictions - are they just for PC mounts? My old CRB (p472) lists one size difference as the requirement for a mount, not two.
Yes I'll add to my pinned comment (default is 1+... for PCs it must be 2+)
it's so amazing to me that Paizo is going so crazy and doing so many creative things with what was originally just an effort to preserve 3.5 D&D
meanwhile WotC is just piddling around with a design that feels more and more outdated every day, insisting that it needs to keep playing with the garbage that's been around since D&D's inception and really needs to be tossed at this point
I was hoping the claw dancer would get double slice with natural attacks since I don't think that's currently possible.
finally merfolk!
When are they going to add the shoony in a main product and not from an adventure path?
Swarm keeper archetype is basically Mushizo from Ninja Scroll.
Is there anything that synergizes with bite attacks? I was hoping to make a whipfang nagaji character that relies on their fangs
In flavor, clawdancer (and monk for that matter) just have evocative names for their unarmed strikes. I personally describe them essentially however I want, for example, a tailed character might make dragon lash strikes more literally than someone just using their legs. I would do the same here
@@1uohdh2 I think that would still be of no use to a whipfang nagaji as their reach mechanically would only affect their jaws strike, so they need feats to upgrade that specifically. I guess any piercing damage stance with reach could be flavoured as such, if anything, but it kinda sucks not benefiting from your heritage if you want to build around the idea.
Been looking forward to make a merfolk, a conversion from my pf1e character (I had this feat: Child of Two Worlds (Story)). Is there any way for the merfolk to have legs? with a feat power or something?
There is.
Yes, though I don't know what level the feat is.
Edit: oh, nearly forgot the obligatory "yes, you take a feat to get feet".
L5 feat Strong Tail increases your speed from 5' to 15', and L9 feat Shore Gift lets you you have two feet (and gain a land Speed of 25'). It is an alternate form that you spend 1 action to get in and out of.
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG ty^^
@@HenshinFanatic lol xD
Can we have skunk options for animal form?
PCs riding PCs existed previously for Spites
Unless it is something like a feat that I'm missing, I'm a bit bummed that the lycanthropy archetype doesn't really have a lot of bite in its curse. I get it is a bit of a balancing act as you need it to be an actual curse but you can't have the character become unplayable (as is the case with the default rules.) Still, I thought Matt Mercer's approach for the Blood Hunter - Order of Lycanthropy requiring a Wisdom saving throw to not immediately move up and attack the nearest possible target (which includes allies) was a good compromise so it would have been nice to see something like that.
Other than that, great, now Clawdancer is convincing me to make another kitsune rogue build. And Frostbound Adjustments seems interesting as someone wanting to do a campaign in a winter setting.
Thruneosaurus Rex? Isn't that just a Golarion version of Tyrannosaurus Reich?
this gives me a idea to create a barbariphant(barbarian + elephant) or a barbammoth(barbarian + mammoth) character.
So uh, bear with me... You can be an Awakened Bear Beastkin(Bear) Werewbear Druid Untamed Form'd into a bear.
That blobfish at the end there doesn't look like that in it's natural environment, it's a deep ocean fish.
In contrast if you were forced into his environment you'd crumple like a paper decoration and crushed into nonexistance, see how you'd like that as a representation of humanity.
I want to be a crane monk on cultivation with larer ability to shapeshift as a human on greater level of Cultivation!!!
Woah!!
Winged Warrior only has 4 Ancestries you can use it with. Strix, Kobold (Don't know if they keep the Winglets feat), Tengu and Awakened Animal. No other ancestry has permanent wings. OF all the archetypes, this is the worst designed. You only have 4 actual options at level 2, since any other way to get permanent wings is late game. The grafts for the other Archetypes are low level, and reasonable to be granted for those that want the archetype and not take one of the many options that have those natural attacks.
Hmm yeah if I were GMing I think I'd allow ancestries who have temporary wings to get it
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG yeah most of the abilities probably require you to be able to fly, so that requirement should be on the individual feats and actions, not the archetype overall. That way you can still use them if you have limited flight but can't while you are unable to
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Even then, most of those are level 5 at the least. You have to basically say they have access to the wings before they are granted. It's the weirdest decision I've seen in the game.
The Sprite can get arguably permanent wings with Evanescent Wings, though. As well as some skeletons (the monstrous skeleton heritage makes it RAW) and Beastkin can have it in their hybrid form naturally. Similarly a Poppet and a bunch of other ancestries/heritages could have flavour wings that don't allow flight. Honestly, it's weird that there isn't a low-level graft that grants you wings but not flight in a similar manner on how the Strix wings work.
@@Ditidos Considering how the Sprite Wings are set up in lore, it's not as permanent as one might think. Skeleton might not be able to take advantage of some of the Archetype, especially since it has no way to actually fly and is just bones. I hate Undead, so never actually looked at the Skeleton and what it had.
Beastkin just fell flat to me. You're basically just getting feathers on your arms.
I didn't list Poppet because the Fly Speed it gets is level 17 only, and isn't described as being Wings.
Other Ancestries having Flavor wings? Don't know about that. Heritages, maybe. None of them come from winged creatures to my knowledge.
If you cast invisibility AFTER casting a Summon Animal spell, will sustaining the summon spell break the invisibility?
Is sustaining the summon animal spell considered a hostile action?
Player Core 303 says: "A hostile action is one that can harm or damage another creature, whether directly or indirectly, but not one that a creature is unaware could cause harm. For instance, casting fireball into a crowd would be a hostile action, but opening a door and accidentally freeing a horrible monster wouldn’t be. The GM is the final arbitrator of what is a hostile action."
It indirectly harms another creature and it's not accidental, so I'd say yes
Swarmkeeper archetype Sprite, flavor the swarm as ther sprites and you are basically playing an army of sprites ?
Apparently there's a "Winged Warrior" archetype. Will it have anything to do with the Winged Warrior from Disgaea? The moths who fling poison dust in their attacks?
Won't much of the info in this book be in the player core 2 when it's released?
I don't think so
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I would like to play an awakened twin Chimera please? Lol -
Is there a heritage for a medium sized centaur
Yes, and there's one for Minotaurs, too
I've always been a Minotaur fan. This is a ... take... on them. Don't necessarily like how Paizo tried to full 180 them into this new stereotype.
What'd they do to them? The video doesn't show much and what it shows just looks like standard fantasy minotaur stuff (Strong, Big, Craftsmen)
Yo. Templates? Yes please.
They need to re-address 'SQUEEZE' because it's only an exploratory action right now.
Do the animal pheromones make it so the animal tries to woo you?
No, simply improves their attitude, but that is open to interpretation lol
@@TheRulesLawyerRPG Well, that's the interpretation the thumbnail pushed me to.
As my PC that has recently contracted lycanthropy, I was somewhat interested in this - but looking at the Werewolf Dedication feat that is shown, it kind of sucks (at least for my PC). That's not necessarily a condemnation - not all archetypes are good for all PCs - but it is a bit disappointing; my fighter would be strictly worse using claws or bite, and so he'd basically just be a slightly hairier version of his current build. I suppose there is some use in animal form for travel purposes or the like, but it hardly seems worth what would effectively be an 8th level fighter class feat to take. I guess I'll just focus on getting cured.
I was looking through the feats and unlocks at higher levels for the werecreature dedication and it just...... isn't great. I'm probably never going to use it if it were allowed unless they change the feats available to work better than regular feats you can grab at earlier levels with almost any ancestry, or make them work with certain classes more often with their own features.
Wild Mimic, you mean blue mage?
Wait, so Minotaurs, centaurs, and awakened animals can just be large at level 1? That’s very surprising. I was under the impression that being large was super powerful, and becoming larger permanently would only ever be available at high levels.
Also do you think that the werecreature archetype has replaced the beast kin heritage, which IIRC made your character half werecreature. I’ve always wanted to play one, but I wonder if it’ll ever be reprinted. Not a big deal either way, and I’m happy that the archetype seems very comprehensive.
Being Large has zero effect on stats and reach. And I'd say there are pros and cons to taking up more space.
Hmm since Werecreature is an archetype and beastkin is a versatile heritage, they can both be on the same character. Beastkin CAN be werecreatures but don't have to be. There's a good bit of overlap, but archetype feats tend to be more powerful than ancestry feats also (since they substitute for class feats). A Level 13 beastkin feat makes your hybrid shape Large. A Level 10 werecreature feat gives you a 2-action alternate Change Shape action that lets optionally become Large.
Bro really is thirst trapping everyone
Incoming froggy wrestler meta
So the Surki are Kha'Zix from League of Legends.
So can a centaur ride another, enlarged centaur?
There is a Medium centaur ancestry. So yes, no spells needed!
Ah yes, Savage Species
Is the 2 sizes larger rule unique to PCs riding PCs. Otherwise, humans couldn't ride horses
Yes
I'm not sure how I feel about this new direction of RK. The playtest Commanders get to RK about all creatures with single lore, now Wild Mimics get a similar one. And the biggest offender of them all, Thaumaturge with Diverse Lore (although that is an old one). It feels like oversimplification and spit in the face of all who chose to invest in a particular RK category, let alone lore.
Why am I not a paid lawyer? Nobody wanted to pay me to practice law.
I predict a flood of Ninja Turtles
The PC riding PC +2 sizes thing seems like a pointless complication that serves no purpose.
And same for large PCs not following the size and reach table from Player Core.
I would house rule both of these and I think most tables will, too.
Not gonna lie, im kinda dissapointed at how pathfinder 2e treats size categories and personaly prefer the way pf does it over pf2e.
Large creatures only being an inflated version of medium creatures removes a lot of meaningful interactions from game.
Though i might be missing something very important that can make the game unplayable but i doubt so.
The Lawyer express thumbnail is weird and harmful for eyes, BUT LARGE ANCESTRIES!
Ostilly use osmosis
Came here for the salacious thumbnail. What is it you're trying to tell us, Ronald?!
Now *there's* some big news!!!
... I'll see myself out