As a member of a First Nation Tribe of Ojibways, our elders have been telling stories for thousands of years that we have been here a very, verrrry long time.
These people wouldn't be your ancestors, your ancestors would have displaced them. The native americans that remain can have their heritage traced back to siberians from 15 000 years ago, and some from more recent inuit migrations which took place around 4500 years ago. Any people who came to america 23000-37000 years ago would have been more like black Australian aborigines or Papuans, in culture, DNA and appearance. Basically this would mean "first nation" is a misnomer, there were earlier peoples in America than the first nation people. They either died out before native americans migrated over or native americans were instrumental in their eradication.
And the first Nations have been here a long long time no doubt. The thing is there were even people in America long before them unless they were the same people and that doesn't seem likely with what we now know..
In my lifetime of learning, that being from 1960, the presence of humans in North America has gone from 10,000 years to 13,000 years, to 23,000 years, and NOW you are telling me 37,000 years. Next year you will be telling me 100,000 years. I have always wondered why Homo Erectus never made it over to North America. They had been around for long enough. Another great video.
I bet those mammoths were pretty tasty and to think people kept alive with the predators that were running around. Lol had to grow up quick I bet. Always figured the old ruins in south America were built high and also steep enough to keep predation down. Animals prefer an easy meal just like people.
@@haraldwerner9778 What I meant that history is recorded, so we should have a pretty clear understanding of it. Prehistory is not recorded, so it's much more difficult to know. However when I just now Googled the definition of "history" they seem to have changed it to include prehistory, which makes no sense to me. So I guess with this new definition you were right and I was wrong, sorry. Just can't get used to this Orwellian Newspeak.
I’m excited to share this with one of my best friends who is Native American and native to the area we live in. His people have claimed to have been tied to this land specifically for 10,000+ years. One of the oldest mummified remains ever found where right here in my hometown and it’s genetically related to the local natives. I am more excited for my friends heritage than my own but it’s just a neat story which was almost lost to us.
@@frakismaximus3052 could they have been Native Mexicans? How would you classify a native to North America prior to the trifurcation of the continent? My wife is a Native American/Mexican, and she classifies herself as either a Paleo-Indian or Archaic-Indian, with a healthy dose of Mesoamerica mixed in. Her familial line comes from Southern Texas/Northern Mexico.
LOTS of Native American myths have redheaded, cannibalistic, giants that they fought battles against. Maybe the giants of old were the ones here before them. You might ask him about them?
@@billhorton2564 they dated the camp places ont he west side up north 12 thousand years sadly the east the ice ground up most of the evidence or ice age were Europeans came one million years ago , Europe way over a million years
My parents and ancestors have always told me we've been here for up 79,000 years ago. I'm glad to see more discoveries are coming out to get us closer to that number and look forward to finding more evidence. This was a great video and please continue being awesome.
If you're considered indigenous/native American you are a descendant of the Clovis. No Clovis has been found in the Americas before 23,000. There have been other cultures before that.
@@grndragon2443 techniques of preparing stones change over time and these people might be related to the Clovis guys or not. We do not know until there is some evidence for one or the other side.
There were probably waves and waves of migrating humans, it's just that not all of them survived...stone age cultures rarely leave a lot of information to work with. It would not surprise me that humans came over the Bering straits, via Iceland and Greenland, and even from Polynesia.
Thank you for this. I've always heard the theories that native Americans crossed the land bridge from Siberia following migrating animals. My unqualified supposition is that early settlers crossed the Aleutians following coastline to islands as they fished.
@@cattymajiv boats would not be far-fetched at all. They were even likely. Early hominids managed to cross the sea from mainland Asia to colonize the island of Luzon as early as 777,000-631,000 years ago. How did they do that? Taiwan was connected to the mainland until around 10,000 years ago but, looking at a map of the seabed and taking sea levels into account, they would've had to traverse quite a bit of open water to make it the rest of the way. Some sort of pretty well thought-out boat would've been needed. And this happened around 3/4 million years ago.
It is possible that a population might have existed 37K years ago and died out, making way for the later Clovis civilization. Continuous habitation cannot be assumed at this point.
Look up the Upward Sun River archeological site in Alaska. I believe there's an article in the Science magazine from a few years ago. The gist is that they found a ceremonial burial of two very young children covered in red ochre and they managed to get DNA from one. It was dated to 11500 years and had no match to any native population.
@@Sten-oi8xf Those were a small group of people who had too small of a population to make it long-term. You make it sound like there was a conspiracy theory. 🙄
@@gnostic268 That wasn't my intent. Maybe they were a small group that died out or maybe not. I just found the dating of 11500 interesting since it's in the Younger Dryas. Alot of the research coming out of Alaska points to a significant pre Clovis population.
I recently saw a "Clovis First" anthropologist try his damnedest to put down earlier discoveries, and he did a fairly decent job, but it is discoveries like these that slap him back in his place.... the old MUST give way to the new, but their resistance is very good for the science, since it forces the new discoverer's to dig down deep and PROVE their discoveries with FACTS. Thank you for this video.... keep it up; you're on the right track...
@@jimcronin2043 I think it stems from a lack of humility. I've been wrong a million times but never felt "slapped down" by new facts or information. However many interlocutors will refuse to acknowledge data that conflicts with their claims or act as if knowing something I don't is some massive accomplishment. It's hilarious to me.
As always, another great video. This seems to be a very significant discovery, providing a more defendable set of evidence than some of the other ancient sites in the Americas.
@@lovenothate111 Considering that my people keep claiming how long they've been here.....but kept being told by those who weren't that we are wrong.......hmmm. Maybe just because you didn't find something older doesn't mean that there is nothing older.
@The Cranky Old Fork The vast majority of people who claim to be part “native Americans” are not even .0001%. No idea why people think it would be something to brag about anyway being a purebred European would make you genetically superior to a mutt or lesser race.
I am 66 years old, and like most everyone my age, I was falsely taught that Native Americans were uncivilized hunter gatherers when Europeans arrived. So now we know there were great cities, wonderful civilizations, complex trade. It is about time we learned!
Found your channel! This is the first video I have seen of yours via my feed. Subscribed now. I love archeology and am an historian. Love the topics. Thank you.
Kayleigh. You never cese to amaze me. I really enjoy the way you pull the forensic evidence as to marks on the bone, evidence of HUMAN controlled fire, etc and come to a logical conclusion. Youare in fact as you well know, into forensic archaeology inths case (a little known specialty) that makes it all make sense. I agree with you there will be more found to move the timeline backend once it does there will be those in macadamia who will fight it tooth and nail regardless of the scientific analysis done because their egos get in the way. Kepp up the excellent work
Yeah, but those ole boys can't live forever, then the new generation of "Professionals" won't be so narrow minded.🤔 There is going to be an entirely New Generation of Academic Professionals that will be called to replace those retiring. So, let's just make sure we are the ones to replace them, sadly, the nature of "Fringe" researchers itself cancels out that being highly probable, lol.
I'm really regreting not finding this channel a long time ago. I've listened to and read a lot of Hancock but I was too lazy to look far into his claims even though A LOT of it did not ring true to me even though I'm not every well educated on such things. I find this channel extremely educational and entertaining. Thanks for your hard work.
Hancock is obviously a liar and charlatan who finds it easier to make stuff up than do the work involved in finding out the truth. When he discovered that there were people gullible enough to believe his lies, he knew he had found a gold mine. How anyone could be stupid enough that garbage I don't know.
Kayleigh! This is amazing. I have been interested in this for years. When I try to think back that many years, my mind gets a tickle. There are so many years, so much that we can never know.
I have missed a few episodes lately but couldn't ignore the title and was not disappointed. The dating in terms of thousands of years is mind boggling and exciting. It is amazing what continues to be discovered about the Americas and it's early inhabitants.
Wonder if Americas settled in same diaspora as Australia? This site with mammoth shows knowledge, skills and numbers of people reflective of established society not just a family group.. a tribe at least. That's a lot of meat and by product to process and take away. Would not be so thorough if it was not to be used.
Ms Kayleigh, I like to follow anthropology and I've always thought that humans in North America have a longer history than the 13, 000 year mark that most give. Like you, native Americans have been here so much longer. Humans are curious, asians are curious. Curiosity us a very human thing. I remember way back in January and you seemed to think your channel wasn't going anywhere, I've been following you since last year and I enjoy your subjects. The Peabody Museum has a decent presentation of early Mexican history . . . . I, for one am glad you are still out here. THANKS Muchly DEAR Lady Kayleigh ♥🙏🌹
Not sure why Pre Clovis has to be so controversial. It would have been very well within the idea of humans following coastlines around the globe. There would have also been ample food and resources to follow along the Bering sea glaciers as well with other human tools found from 40000 years ago in other locations
The controversy about the pre-Siberian Americans is that they are related to Sulutreans (I have no idea how to spell that,) of what is now SW France, which destroys the entire “Native American” myth and creates a history of successful genocide of those sulutreans (again, spelling?) by the “peaceful” Indians. It’s about political correctness, not actual anthropology.
@@Frankie5Angels150 So when new people move in, set up shop, mingle with, mate with, have battles , etc, etc, you call that "genocide"?? Actually that is called "life" We all know what genocide is Were the Neanderthals also "victims of genocide"? YOU talk about "political correctness"? I guess if mating a people "out of existence" over millennia can be called genocide, then yes Btw, when I want to know how to spell Solutreans I simple type something like it on the google line
@@Frankie5Angels150 There is no 'Native American Myth'. Many of the tribes were as aggressive as the Europeans and this is well known by all except maybe a few sentimentalists. One of the reasons the Vikings did not colonise was resistance from the natives. There is very little evidence that the Solutreans ever made it to N America. If the Solutreans had made there and built up a civilisation, the invading Europeans would have attacked and destroyed it as they did with the ones they found there in our timeline. Their skin color would have made no difference if that's what you care about.
Kayleigh thanks for giving us your profile in North America. I live in Texas and I am familiar with these mammoth bones you speak about. I first learned of them when I was 12. Imagine being alive 37,000 years ago and seeing a mammoth coming at you.
Since the Last Glacial Maximum was from 26,000 to 19,000 years ago, if this evidence is accurate, then humans were in North America long before the sea-level reduction that made the Beringia land bridge available. It’ll be so exciting to learn if/how that was done!
Just an FYI... That Land bridge existed for almost the entire ice age, not just the Glacial Maximum...It is believed Beringia first emerged around 70,000 years ago, with tundra vegetation making it's way to the region around 57,000 years ago... it then existed in some form until 11,000 YBP. It is also believed that between 60,000 years ago and 30,000 years ago it fluctuated between one solid land bridge, and a mostly solid but heavily inundated landbridge, or even as a series of island chains between the two continents.... However, rarely would the distances have been significant enough to pose as a major hurdle to migrating humans. Simple dug out canoes would have been sufficient to cross these distances, but even then, it wouldn't have been necessary as it was a single land mass for a considerable amount of the time during this period. EDIT.... looks like it was around even longer than I was aware of.. it seems it has been solid land for nearly the entire history of our species outside of africa, right up until the last 10,000 years... interestingly, right up until the last glacial maximum, there was no "ice wall" preventing one from walking straight from siberia to south america... so if humans migrated before 26,000 years ago, there is no need for an "ice free corridor" to open up... considering we know humans were in siberia roughly 40,000 years ago, I'd say odds are pretty good that humans just kept on trucking right into north america around that time. to see a good time-lapse video of the history of Beringia, look up "Lost Worlds #2: Rise and Fall of Beringia, every year"
Modern humans reached Australia more than 50,000 years ago which required crossing sea even at the lowest ice age sea levels. Because the interior of North America was covered with ice until about 13,000 years ago it is increasingly believed that the original arrivals came down the west coast by island hopping. This could be done across the Bering Strait or along the Aleutian chain regardless of sea level.
Kayleigh thank you for this show. Years ago my professor and I discussed how long people had been here on the American continent. My response was at least 35,000 years Maybe more. Why he asks? I explained because of the size of the American continent. And the numbers of artifacts found all over it. And I had heard of Archeologist. That had found very old sites that had been dismissed and mocked out of hand by mainstream schools and Archeologist. she smiled and agreed. for the last fifty or sixty years the schools would pull the funding of anyone who claimed to have sites older than the normal they expected to be here. between ignorance and politics, we have missed out on a lot of good information.
Nah I reckon they’ve been there much longer, I don’t have sources but my guess is 150,000 plus years ago. Idk man, it’s native Americans they give off the vibes that “I’ve been here longer than the white man has been in Europe”.
@@moonknight4053humans have been in Europe for quite awhile. Estimates are that the genes that favored lighter skin in that climate became a dominant trait in that region 10k-6k years ago.. Humans migrate.. Guessing human migrations to North and South America began about the time any shoreline was available. Small populations with an opportunity to find new hunting grounds.. larger populations taking advantage of a greater window of opportunity at different times? Yes.. even if just over 15k years.. humans lived in the Americas before light skin was a favorable genetic trait for the climate in Europe. Be Well!! 😃
Thank you so much for these awesome videos! Anthropology is one of my favorite subjects and each new episode is greatly appreciated and looked forward to!
WOW! Excellent job on the scientific explanation. Great work's deserve a team effort . A thank you to All that has brought this information to light . Wonderful perspectives.💪
As an ocean person I find it hard to believe the ancients could not navigate the seas, 25k years ago sea levels were 450 feet lower, there would of been more islands/land mass through the Pacific making it easier to travel, the Polynesian and Melanesians claim their ancient kingdom is under the sea, I believe they did not "find" Easter Island, they already knew where it was, and it dumps out right on the Peruvian coast. Is it so far fetched to think earlier hominoids could not have had a sea culture? It's so interesting to contemplate.
I'm 70 years old. I remember that when I was in 8th grade, around 1964, I read about fire pits found in Tierra del Fuego (I think) that were thought to be made by humans and dated back 150K years. I haven't heard anything about it since then, but I have always wondered about it. Does anybody know anything about that?
Excellent video, and very well presented. This wonderful news. Even as a kid (in the 50s) I found it silly to think that humans were here for only 13,000 years. But I understand that science requires rigorous proof. Well, it's starting to come in. Thanks for sharing it. Keep on doing...
Yep, my experience too in the 80s and 90s. The topic tends to be raised in the present hy journalists trying to hype articles on recent pre-Clovis research or pseudo scientists trying to discredit archaeology.
All we know is that we know very little! It's very hard to find what exactly what happened one thousand years ago, ten thousand years makes that exponential more difficult and continues to be exponential more difficult as you go further back in time. Fascinating though how they discover these new findings.
More controversial than this is when they dated the Hueyatlaco archeological site in Mexico. They used (Uranium thorium helium dating). They shipped a couple hundred pounds of earth to a geochemist expert, Kenneth A. Farley at Caltech, without telling him the age of the samples. In fact, they lied to him and told him the samples (zircon crystals) were young. By measuring the amount of Alpha particles in the crystals they can establish how long it takes for the helium to accumulate over time, (Which is more accurate than fission dating). Then after analyzing the helium they dissolved the crystals to analyze them for uranium and thorium by (Inductive coupled plasma mass spectrometry). The date given was between 400kyrs-500kyrs ago.
Yes I have tries to get her to look into this before, as far as I know the dating itself is not controversial, the material is actually that old. The sceptics say the material must be from a deeper layer, while the original archeologists claim they took it from the old ground level of the village they excavated.
This why they have double-blind testing in properly structured trials. Test methods might be skewed and data definitely skewed or even suppressed because of expectations. Representatives of the testers, but not the testers themselves, should be responsible for sample collection wherever possible, to remove potential bias of the seekers. As Dr Gregory House said, ''Everybody lies''.
Your channel blew up - congratulations!! But don’t feel like you are now being pressured to do way more than what your doing. I’d say Pace your self - don’t burn your self out and don’t let this passion turn into a burden. Just keep being your self and everything will work out fine 👍👍
Good voice. You might try "Grey Silkie of Sule Skerry". I like the arrangement by 'Solas', you might try it. Back on point, if you walk barefoot long enough, you can walk over sharp stones, snow, and even fire. Go back to 'Upanishads' "the sharp cuts you because you seek to dull it, the ice chills you because you seek to warm it, fire only burns you because you seek to quench it. Do not challenge the world, and it will leave you." Apparently, I've inherited my grandmother's, and great-great-grandmother Kunigunde's, talent for walking barefoot over sharp stones, snow and ice and even fire (well, hot coals covered in ash). We forget that our barefoot ancestors relied on their feet to find water, find shellfish on the beach, and feel the ground when they were tracking game.
Kayleigh, thank you so much for your channel. I look forward always to your next video. They are so full of new information, and your presentations are so well thought out. Your channel is one of the treasures of the internet.
I have always believed that people have been here 40 thousand years, maybe even more! I am so glad they are finding more and more evidence, just thrilling good job Kayleigh
Carnivorous beasts don't create a pile of bones as a refuse. (For them, bones are always spread out.) Humans do. For us, neatness counts. Humans also keep vultures and scavengers away -- and do so for so long that what's left is inedible. The skull topping was a nice touch -- and was certainly a ritualized practice.
Fantastic news!! This should definitely prove that the costal migratinon happen. At least for the pre-Clovis culture, maybe the Clovis people were doing the land migration. Waiting for the next video for you :)
There is evidence in many places here in the US, even here in Texas, of human occupation up to 25,000 years ago. 37,000 year old human occupation is very exciting to think about. Maybe, humans came up from South America instead of down from Siberia.
More likely they came down the coast of western North America by boat. Who knows what is buried under all the coastal land now hundreds of feet deep after the Ice Age ended and flooded the coasts?
@@lovenothate111 Without the slightest disrespect to anyone, I am very much afraid that the present Native Americans do not descend from those early populations. They came about 20'000 years later, or quite possibly more. Like I am a West European, but share no common lineage with the Europeans who made the great paintings of Lascaux, Altamira or Chauvet caves.
Scenario: sometime after 50kya, Andamanese-related sailors went round the north Pacific coast and met Siberian Stoppover folks in Beringia. They married, eventually they sailed the west coast down to the Andes, settling along the way. Then they went East to the Amazon, the Rockies, and other lands. There may have been people already there not sure. This is my take from genetic analysis by Silva et al 2020 "Deep genetic affinity..." PS This paper in Fronteirs suggests that the coastal Austronesian thing was long before the Beringian Siberians.
I worked on a Northern Californian site that was dated 13,000 years ago .... in the early 70s. We were met with very insulting dis - belief and hostility . I suspect there have been many movements to the Americas from the east and west. ..... Proving them and evaluating their influence is another mater. But I think the evidence for pre-Clovis is pretty good now .
There may well have been homo spp in Nth America over the last 30+K yrs, but that may not mean continuous or even connected coverage, as these races of human were almost certainly not the same nor were the earlier species ancestors of the later ones. We know so little and there are such huge gaps - tantalising, yet frustrating. A good video. This is one of your better ones. I do look forward to more videos, your career as an archeological vlogger is certainly progressing admirably, ...and I hope your own life is developing as you want. You are very much appreciated, both professionally and personally. It is your pleasant and quirky personality and endearing personal touch that are some of the main things that set you apart as unique and watchable. Blessings.
Thank you for mentioning how the Clovis people are related to Europeans and Asians equally. Because see my family's been from New Mexico for a very long time. And this matches up with our history stories
It's an exciting discovery. I'd like to see some more supporting evidence found, just because the dating doesn't really align with the findings from NE Asia, NW Europe, or the Pacific Islands where people most likely would have crossed to North America. The finds in those places form a much later timeline for humans transiting to NA. However, these aren't easy to find and one can only imagine the evidence scattered around the world buried under feet of soil.
I had always assumed that there was more than one migration into North America and this of particular interest to me as my wife is Mohawk and I would love to be able to understand her peoples migration to North America.
I believe we are wrong on many scientific theories about not only when man came here but how they got here. I believe man was sailing the coastal regions and traveling long distance in these journeys. And unfortunately time has removed any trace of said movement but it just makes sense to utilize the ocean not only for food but trade and exploration. Great stuff.
I cannot help but wonder if the previous difficulty in getting serious pre-Clovis evidence might be due to cataclysm or catastrophic population collapse creating a healthy gap between the 2 populations making a void on the far side of Clovis evidence. That would make it look more like a starting point rather than perhaps what it could be, a "restarting" point for a culture big enough to provide decent archeologic detritus at a statistically discoverable rate.
I got attacked by an Ent 2 weeks ago Just starting to catch up on these kinds of videos. I love this one since I’ve believed for a long time that the traveling ingenuity of ancient folks is always grossly under estimated. Thank you once again finding these things and sharing for those of us who can’t go searching.
@@Frankie5Angels150 you are not a Lord of the Rings fan. Ents are giant tree folk of Fangorn forest Well a 60 foot tall tree fell on me. I’m quite beat up but lucky to be alive .
There's a controversial archaeological dig done in the 1960s in Hueyatlaco, Mexico with carbon dates of human activity being 250,000 years old. Human occupation of North America is very problematic for academics as you mentioned.
@@meanders9221 there were a number of arguments against the actual numbers produced by the c14 dating. I imagine certainly that 50,000 year barrier is one of them. However, I'm going to do some more research into that topic. I haven't really looked at it in probably 10 years. Anyway it's a window into what a mess archeology is in North America.
Yes! Thank you. I forgo the name of that site. It’s been bashed because of the date. Rule of thumb. The older the date the more you debate. C14 gets iffy at 250,000 years. It’s at its best around 50,000 years which is the half-life of C14. Still it is capable of such dating with careful technique. And had that very same site been in Africa and discovered in the 1960’s it would now be in a textbook as fact, not near-fiction. Fox out.
@@meanders9221 I am sure it is available online, but my memory is that they used both stratigraphic dating of volcanic ash, and uranium decay methods. One use of carbon dating even for such ancient dates is that C14 readings would be essentially zero, allowing the scientist to at least say "older than 50K years".
Allegations of fraud at the worst. Technical incompetence or sample contamination at the lower end. Destroyed any future career of the managing archeologist.
There have often been mentions of a hypothesis about humans getting here by boat before the land bridge, by following the coastline. This could easily support that hypothesis. Edited to add: your spot on Dr. David Miano & World of Antiquity was what brought me here several months ago, so likely most of the rest either came from that video, or from the Almighty Algorithm showing you to history buffs due to the ones like me, or both. 🙂👍🏼
Would it be possible to provide a link to the article published in Frontiers in Ecology and Evolution? Wondering what techniques were used to arrive at a date for the prints and artefacts. Carbon-14 comes readily to mind, however there may be others and if multiple methods reach similar conclusions independently, this would help to substantiate the presence of humans in North America at an earlier date. Establishing the mode of entry (on foot via Bering Strait land bridge vs. boat across Pacific) may not be so straightforward.
The link is in the description underneath sources. I always provide all sources that i have used and mentioned in my description for others to check out 🙂
Nice work as usual, Kayleigh. I'm quite certain there was human occupation in the area of New Mexico and Texas, and other regions, far longer than mainstream anthropologists can prove.
@@robcreel4257 No. But until they do find some, it isn't any more likely that it did happen than any of a million other ideas. That's all I'm saying. I did word my comment badly, and I'm sorry I did that. I'll erase or fix it right away. Your comment to Kayleigh was a gracious one, so I feel bad now. I got upset reading comments to pre-history videos, because there are so many nutcases commenting. Then I said something to you that was too harsh, because the other people had gotten under my skin. I shouldn't have done that. So I'm glad you replied, because it prompted me to see that I was wrong. I'm sorry. It doesn't bother me when people are mistaken, and I usually don't comment on it, but those who believe real craziness do annoy me sometimes. I mean, I don't care what people think, but the fact that those people tend to fill up the comments can make it hard to find the posts from the people who are interested in REAL prehistory. It makes conversations with normal people impossible, or far too difficult. There are more and more of those gullible people all the time. Now Netflix and the others are all legitimatizing that craziness too! I don't think that encouraging irrationality is a valid thing for them to do, especially in these times. So I become downright angry. But that has nothing to do with you, and I'm sorry. I'm going now to fix or delete my earlier comment to you. Please accept my apology for going overboard. I'm back again. I deleted it. Sorry about that.
Thanks for a great video, Kayleigh. Someone once said that science advances not just through new discoveries, but often just by the dying off of the old guard who refuse to relinquish their views. No where is this more true than in North American archeology. However, a considerable amount of blame belongs to America politics of the 19th century. There was considerable effort to discount and discredit not just Native Americans, but also European American academicians who were beginning to recognize, or at least believe, that there was a past history for these people. This interfered with America's "Manifest Destiny", so a history of any significance for the Indian "savages" had to be quashed. One of the more infamous individuals involved was Ales Hrdlicka, who, from his positions at The American Museum of Natural History and then the Smithsonian Institute, was notorious for his treatment of colleagues who dared to suggest that Native Americans had any previous cultural significance or early presence in the Americas. Even in the 20th century there were accounts by anthropologists who were cautioned by their mentors not to report, or even dig, anything that suggested earlier timelines than Clovis because it could have a negative effect on their future careers. Fortunately this has begun to change as discoveries at sites such as Meadowcroft Rockshelter, the Topper Site, Monte Verde, and Gault have produced not only ancient artifacts, but also graduate students who have gone on to earn their PhD and are not afraid to investigate sites and dates that were ignored in the past.
Plus there are now First Nations and Native archaeologists who are affiliated with tribes and have more access to tribal lore. Many tribes figured out that non-Native academics were only there to study, claim Indigenous knowledge and commodify what had been told to them for free. After awhile tribes just made up nonsense and the academics didn't realize they were being told fake stories just so they would go away. Most Indigenous people are still amused by some of the stories passed off by these types of academics that are easily debunked today by people who belong to a tribe and are telling some of their own stories
Kayleigh, your series on homonids has really been inspiring me to integrate some tales from Doggerland into a comic book I am drawing I have a question - What would the people who lived there, before the Storegga Slide Tsunami ( that's a tongue twister ) have called Doggerland? That begs the question, could it have been a large population center?
@@ME4503 Think dynamic change. Dogger land is like every place. Over the glacial cycles it has been the bottom of a sea, as it is now. Under a mile thick glacier. Dry land surrounded by sea on three sides. Warm lush and balmy. Cold dank and inhospitable. And through half that time people probably lived there. In the snow at times and in the sun others. Through wet and dry. Like so many places it was “home” to somebody. Until is was not. Fox out.
Great journalism. Facts, dates, being open minded and following the facts....thank you for bringing this to us. This is the kind of science documentary that we need to find these historical answers.
Thank you Kayleigh! Very interesting. I think your presentation is great and your facts certainly support this age determination. Humans in North America 37,000 years ago. Wow!
In the 1970s ,I took a college course about civilizations in South and Central America. I remember the text made some claims about evidence of agriculture dating back as far as 50k years. I thought it was ridiculous , but who knows?
Another good one and to your point of things changing when I was in school for archeology in the early 90s my professor had studied under Dr adavasio and dug at meadowcroft he disagreed with his mentor and was part of the Clovis "revolution" keep up the great work and the migraines at bay
As a member of a First Nation Tribe of Ojibways, our elders have been telling stories for thousands of years that we have been here a very, verrrry long time.
These people wouldn't be your ancestors, your ancestors would have displaced them. The native americans that remain can have their heritage traced back to siberians from 15 000 years ago, and some from more recent inuit migrations which took place around 4500 years ago. Any people who came to america 23000-37000 years ago would have been more like black Australian aborigines or Papuans, in culture, DNA and appearance. Basically this would mean "first nation" is a misnomer, there were earlier peoples in America than the first nation people. They either died out before native americans migrated over or native americans were instrumental in their eradication.
And the first Nations have been here a long long time no doubt. The thing is there were even people in America long before them unless they were the same people and that doesn't seem likely with what we now know..
In my lifetime of learning, that being from 1960, the presence of humans in North America has gone from 10,000 years to 13,000 years, to 23,000 years, and NOW you are telling me 37,000 years. Next year you will be telling me 100,000 years.
I have always wondered why Homo Erectus never made it over to North America. They had been around for long enough.
Another great video.
There is evidence recently uncovered that shows humans may have been in the San Diego area as early as 130k years ago
@@Bengaleze I wonder if it was modern humans, Neanderthals, or even Denisovans who made it here.
As part native American I'm always curious to see how far back it all started
u mean pre american.
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I bet those mammoths were pretty tasty and to think people kept alive with the predators that were running around. Lol had to grow up quick I bet. Always figured the old ruins in south America were built high and also steep enough to keep predation down. Animals prefer an easy meal just like people.
Siberia
As the same, I do, too. 🙂👍🏼
Our knowledge of human history is very incomplete and we shouldn’t think that we have discovered everything about human occupation or evolution.
Clearly you don't understand the word "history"
@@the_Kurgan Not sure what you mean? Could you explain.
@@haraldwerner9778 What I meant that history is recorded, so we should have a pretty clear understanding of it. Prehistory is not recorded, so it's much more difficult to know. However when I just now Googled the definition of "history" they seem to have changed it to include prehistory, which makes no sense to me. So I guess with this new definition you were right and I was wrong, sorry. Just can't get used to this Orwellian Newspeak.
Haha it's "his" "story" and THAT is ALL it is, a story.
Most off what's been found, has been hidden 🤔 👀 😕
I’m excited to share this with one of my best friends who is Native American and native to the area we live in. His people have claimed to have been tied to this land specifically for 10,000+ years. One of the oldest mummified remains ever found where right here in my hometown and it’s genetically related to the local natives. I am more excited for my friends heritage than my own but it’s just a neat story which was almost lost to us.
This doesn't necessarily mean that the humans from this site were native americans
@@frakismaximus3052 could they have been Native Mexicans? How would you classify a native to North America prior to the trifurcation of the continent? My wife is a Native American/Mexican, and she classifies herself as either a Paleo-Indian or Archaic-Indian, with a healthy dose of Mesoamerica mixed in. Her familial line comes from Southern Texas/Northern Mexico.
LOTS of Native American myths have redheaded, cannibalistic, giants that they fought battles against. Maybe the giants of old were the ones here before them. You might ask him about them?
@@billhorton2564 they dated the camp places ont he west side up north 12 thousand years sadly the east the ice ground up most of the evidence or ice age were Europeans came one million years ago , Europe way over a million years
@@billhorton2564 Mexico it’s in North America we are one people native of this land from north to south
My parents and ancestors have always told me we've been here for up 79,000 years ago. I'm glad to see more discoveries are coming out to get us closer to that number and look forward to finding more evidence. This was a great video and please continue being awesome.
If you're considered indigenous/native American you are a descendant of the Clovis. No Clovis has been found in the Americas before 23,000. There have been other cultures before that.
@@grndragon2443 Not that there is any evidence of, so not very likely.
@@grndragon2443 techniques of preparing stones change over time and these people might be related to the Clovis guys or not. We do not know until there is some evidence for one or the other side.
I’m taught 80,000
So that’s very close
There were probably waves and waves of migrating humans, it's just that not all of them survived...stone age cultures rarely leave a lot of information to work with. It would not surprise me that humans came over the Bering straits, via Iceland and Greenland, and even from Polynesia.
Fantasy is not reality.
Thank you for this. I've always heard the theories that native Americans crossed the land bridge from Siberia following migrating animals. My unqualified supposition is that early settlers crossed the Aleutians following coastline to islands as they fished.
Same thing. Animals or fish. It doesn't matter. Undoubtedly they used boats. It's impossible otherwise.
@@cattymajiv boats would not be far-fetched at all. They were even likely. Early hominids managed to cross the sea from mainland Asia to colonize the island of Luzon as early as 777,000-631,000 years ago. How did they do that? Taiwan was connected to the mainland until around 10,000 years ago but, looking at a map of the seabed and taking sea levels into account, they would've had to traverse quite a bit of open water to make it the rest of the way. Some sort of pretty well thought-out boat would've been needed. And this happened around 3/4 million years ago.
The American Indians can be traced by DNA to Japan, China, Mongolia, your ancestral home is there, you migrated just like all the rest.
There is evidence of Pacific crossings in genetics which appear in South America. There are Melanesia markers in some south American tribes.
It is possible that a population might have existed 37K years ago and died out, making way for the later Clovis civilization. Continuous habitation cannot be assumed at this point.
@@bunzeebear2973 Did you just say we didn't know about earthquake generated waves prior to 2011?
Look up the Upward Sun River archeological site in Alaska. I believe there's an article in the Science magazine from a few years ago. The gist is that they found a ceremonial burial of two very young children covered in red ochre and they managed to get DNA from one. It was dated to 11500 years and had no match to any native population.
Pretty substantial evidence of the possibility that there were earlier migrations that just didn't make it.
@@Sten-oi8xf Those were a small group of people who had too small of a population to make it long-term. You make it sound like there was a conspiracy theory. 🙄
@@gnostic268 That wasn't my intent. Maybe they were a small group that died out or maybe not. I just found the dating of 11500 interesting since it's in the Younger Dryas. Alot of the research coming out of Alaska points to a significant pre Clovis population.
You know that feeling you get when you know something is true & you can’t prove it… then suddenly you get your proof? This is how I feel right now 😊❤
I recently saw a "Clovis First" anthropologist try his damnedest to put down earlier discoveries, and he did a fairly decent job, but it is discoveries like these that slap him back in his place.... the old MUST give way to the new, but their resistance is very good for the science, since it forces the new discoverer's to dig down deep and PROVE their discoveries with FACTS. Thank you for this video.... keep it up; you're on the right track...
Wow, must have been from the old guard.
I graduated in 2016 and there were already a number of pre clovis sites discovered.
Clovis First anthropologists are as extinct as the Clovis First theory itself. Did you watch a documentary from the 1970s?
It is an academic debate, so I don't think that someone with another pov needs to "slapped back into place". Very little civility in the world today.
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I think it stems from a lack of humility.
I've been wrong a million times but never felt "slapped down" by new facts or information. However many interlocutors will refuse to acknowledge data that conflicts with their claims or act as if knowing something I don't is some massive accomplishment.
It's hilarious to me.
theres a saying: "science advances one funeral at a time"
this also apply to other fields. in nutrition, medicine, physics, economics, etc.
As always, another great video. This seems to be a very significant discovery, providing a more defendable set of evidence than some of the other ancient sites in the Americas.
Is it isn’t she great?!
Please keep this coming. Entertaining and educational from start to finish.
Thanks!
Being part Cherokee this is amazing. Also, my grandfather was correct with his stories.
@@lovenothate111 Considering that my people keep claiming how long they've been here.....but kept being told by those who weren't that we are wrong.......hmmm. Maybe just because you didn't find something older doesn't mean that there is nothing older.
@@Girl123_45 Yeah and Rob agreed. And you're looking for a fight thats not there. Dumb dumb alert.
@The Cranky Old Fork The vast majority of people who claim to be part “native Americans” are not even .0001%. No idea why people think it would be something to brag about anyway being a purebred European would make you genetically superior to a mutt or lesser race.
Your grandfather is probably more correct than the scientists... you know, the winners make history to be told from their side of things....
camels orginated in america as well as cats and dogs...
I am 66 years old, and like most everyone my age, I was falsely taught that Native Americans were uncivilized hunter gatherers when Europeans arrived. So now we know there were great cities, wonderful civilizations, complex trade. It is about time we learned!
A few .
Can you imagine being the first person(s) to see North America... Just imagine the things those people saw....
Found your channel! This is the first video I have seen of yours via my feed. Subscribed now. I love archeology and am an historian. Love the topics. Thank you.
I gotta say you have the BEST videos! Very, very good. So enjoyable! Love them all.
Kayleigh. You never cese to amaze me. I really enjoy the way you pull the forensic evidence as to marks on the bone, evidence of HUMAN controlled fire, etc and come to a logical conclusion. Youare in fact as you well know, into forensic archaeology inths case (a little known specialty) that makes it all make sense. I agree with you there will be more found to move the timeline backend once it does there will be those in macadamia who will fight it tooth and nail regardless of the scientific analysis done because their egos get in the way. Kepp up the excellent work
Yeah, but those ole boys can't live forever, then the new generation of "Professionals" won't be so narrow minded.🤔 There is going to be an entirely New Generation of Academic Professionals that will be called to replace those retiring. So, let's just make sure we are the ones to replace them, sadly, the nature of "Fringe" researchers itself cancels out that being highly probable, lol.
Great presentation Kayleigh. Your analysis of the data is much appreciated!
I'm really regreting not finding this channel a long time ago. I've listened to and read a lot of Hancock but I was too lazy to look far into his claims even though A LOT of it did not ring true to me even though I'm not every well educated on such things. I find this channel extremely educational and entertaining. Thanks for your hard work.
Hancock is obviously a liar and charlatan who finds it easier to make stuff up than do the work involved in finding out the truth. When he discovered that there were people gullible enough to believe his lies, he knew he had found a gold mine. How anyone could be stupid enough that garbage I don't know.
Me too 😢
Kayleigh! This is amazing. I have been interested in this for years. When I try to think back that many years, my mind gets a tickle. There are so many years, so much that we can never know.
I have missed a few episodes lately but couldn't ignore the title and was not disappointed. The dating in terms of thousands of years is mind boggling and exciting. It is amazing what continues to be discovered about the Americas and it's early inhabitants.
It was the thumbnail for me Chad
Wonder if Americas settled in same diaspora as Australia? This site with mammoth shows knowledge, skills and numbers of people reflective of established society not just a family group.. a tribe at least. That's a lot of meat and by product to process and take away. Would not be so thorough if it was not to be used.
Great video!! You are so articulate!! Much appreciated!!
Ms Kayleigh, I like to follow anthropology and I've always thought that humans in North America have a longer history than the 13, 000 year mark that most give. Like you, native Americans have been here so much longer. Humans are curious, asians are curious. Curiosity us a very human thing. I remember way back in January and you seemed to think your channel wasn't going anywhere, I've been following you since last year and I enjoy your subjects. The Peabody Museum has a decent presentation of early Mexican history . . . . I, for one am glad you are still out here. THANKS Muchly DEAR Lady Kayleigh ♥🙏🌹
Not sure why Pre Clovis has to be so controversial. It would have been very well within the idea of humans following coastlines around the globe. There would have also been ample food and resources to follow along the Bering sea glaciers as well with other human tools found from 40000 years ago in other locations
Oh, thanks.
The controversy about the pre-Siberian Americans is that they are related to Sulutreans (I have no idea how to spell that,) of what is now SW France, which destroys the entire “Native American” myth and creates a history of successful genocide of those sulutreans (again, spelling?) by the “peaceful” Indians.
It’s about political correctness, not actual anthropology.
Because careers are on the line
@@Frankie5Angels150 So when new people move in, set up shop, mingle with, mate with, have battles , etc, etc, you call that "genocide"?? Actually that is called "life" We all know what genocide is
Were the Neanderthals also "victims of genocide"? YOU talk about "political correctness"?
I guess if mating a people "out of existence" over millennia can be called genocide, then yes
Btw, when I want to know how to spell Solutreans I simple type something like it on the google line
@@Frankie5Angels150 There is no 'Native American Myth'. Many of the tribes were as aggressive as the Europeans and this is well known by all except maybe a few sentimentalists. One of the reasons the Vikings did not colonise was resistance from the natives.
There is very little evidence that the Solutreans ever made it to N America.
If the Solutreans had made there and built up a civilisation, the invading Europeans would have attacked and destroyed it as they did with the ones they found there in our timeline. Their skin color would have made no difference if that's what you care about.
Kayleigh thanks for giving us your profile in North America. I live in Texas and I am familiar with these mammoth bones you speak about. I first learned of them when I was 12. Imagine being alive 37,000 years ago and seeing a mammoth coming at you.
Since the Last Glacial Maximum was from 26,000 to 19,000 years ago, if this evidence is accurate, then humans were in North America long before the sea-level reduction that made the Beringia land bridge available. It’ll be so exciting to learn if/how that was done!
Just an FYI...
That Land bridge existed for almost the entire ice age, not just the Glacial Maximum...It is believed Beringia first emerged around 70,000 years ago, with tundra vegetation making it's way to the region around 57,000 years ago... it then existed in some form until 11,000 YBP.
It is also believed that between 60,000 years ago and 30,000 years ago it fluctuated between one solid land bridge, and a mostly solid but heavily inundated landbridge, or even as a series of island chains between the two continents.... However, rarely would the distances have been significant enough to pose as a major hurdle to migrating humans. Simple dug out canoes would have been sufficient to cross these distances, but even then, it wouldn't have been necessary as it was a single land mass for a considerable amount of the time during this period.
EDIT.... looks like it was around even longer than I was aware of.. it seems it has been solid land for nearly the entire history of our species outside of africa, right up until the last 10,000 years... interestingly, right up until the last glacial maximum, there was no "ice wall" preventing one from walking straight from siberia to south america... so if humans migrated before 26,000 years ago, there is no need for an "ice free corridor" to open up... considering we know humans were in siberia roughly 40,000 years ago, I'd say odds are pretty good that humans just kept on trucking right into north america around that time.
to see a good time-lapse video of the history of Beringia, look up
"Lost Worlds #2: Rise and Fall of Beringia, every year"
There were other glacial maximums that pre-date this one by eons…
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@@JupiterJane1984 ?? did your cat walk on your keyboard or something??
Modern humans reached Australia more than 50,000 years ago which required crossing sea even at the lowest ice age sea levels. Because the interior of North America was covered with ice until about 13,000 years ago it is increasingly believed that the original arrivals came down the west coast by island hopping. This could be done across the Bering Strait or along the Aleutian chain regardless of sea level.
Wow. Fascinating! Thanks, Kayleigh, for summarizing this find to us.
Kayleigh thank you for this show. Years ago my professor and I discussed how long people had been here on the American continent. My response was at least 35,000 years Maybe more. Why he asks? I explained because of the size of the American continent. And the numbers of artifacts found all over it. And I had heard of Archeologist. That had found very old sites that had been dismissed and mocked out of hand by mainstream schools and Archeologist. she smiled and agreed. for the last fifty or sixty years the schools would pull the funding of anyone who claimed to have sites older than the normal they expected to be here. between ignorance and politics, we have missed out on a lot of good information.
Nah I reckon they’ve been there much longer, I don’t have sources but my guess is 150,000 plus years ago. Idk man, it’s native Americans they give off the vibes that “I’ve been here longer than the white man has been in Europe”.
Egos are huge in Archeology and they don’t deal well with having their theories questioned.
That’s why i love that Clovis first is finally being put down! They have been finding evidence for a long time.
@@dr.froghopper6711agreed and it’s really frustrating.
@@moonknight4053humans have been in Europe for quite awhile.
Estimates are that the genes that favored lighter skin in that climate became a dominant trait in that region 10k-6k years ago..
Humans migrate..
Guessing human migrations to North and South America began about the time any shoreline was available. Small populations with an opportunity to find new hunting grounds.. larger populations taking advantage of a greater window of opportunity at different times?
Yes.. even if just over 15k years.. humans lived in the Americas before light skin was a favorable genetic trait for the climate in Europe.
Be Well!! 😃
Thank you so much for these awesome videos! Anthropology is one of my favorite subjects and each new episode is greatly appreciated and looked forward to!
WOW! Excellent job on the scientific explanation. Great work's deserve a team effort . A thank you to All that has brought this information to light . Wonderful perspectives.💪
As an ocean person I find it hard to believe the ancients could not navigate the seas, 25k years ago sea levels were 450 feet lower, there would of been more islands/land mass through the Pacific making it easier to travel, the Polynesian and Melanesians claim their ancient kingdom is under the sea, I believe they did not "find" Easter Island, they already knew where it was, and it dumps out right on the Peruvian coast. Is it so far fetched to think earlier hominoids could not have had a sea culture? It's so interesting to contemplate.
I'm 70 years old. I remember that when I was in 8th grade, around 1964, I read about fire pits found in Tierra del Fuego (I think) that were thought to be made by humans and dated back 150K years. I haven't heard anything about it since then, but I have always wondered about it. Does anybody know anything about that?
Excellent video, and very well presented. This wonderful news. Even as a kid (in the 50s) I found it silly to think that humans were here for only 13,000 years. But I understand that science requires rigorous proof. Well, it's starting to come in. Thanks for sharing it. Keep on doing...
Love your show. I always say we had these chats around the fire 100K years ago.
So glad I found your channel. Excellent and informative presentation.
I studied Archaeology in the 1980/90s and the "Clovis first" hypothesis was already considered pretty weak.
Yep, my experience too in the 80s and 90s. The topic tends to be raised in the present hy journalists trying to hype articles on recent pre-Clovis research or pseudo scientists trying to discredit archaeology.
Thank you for the research Kayleigh. I like the Friday & Sunday schedule you started. Don't work too hard. 😊
All we know is that we know very little! It's very hard to find what exactly what happened one thousand years ago, ten thousand years makes that exponential more difficult and continues to be exponential more difficult as you go further back in time.
Fascinating though how they discover these new findings.
Kayleigh thank you for posting all these videos for us! I think you are wonderful!
More controversial than this is when they dated the Hueyatlaco archeological site in Mexico. They used (Uranium thorium helium dating). They shipped a couple hundred pounds of earth to a geochemist expert, Kenneth A. Farley at Caltech, without telling him the age of the samples. In fact, they lied to him and told him the samples (zircon crystals) were young. By measuring the amount of Alpha particles in the crystals they can establish how long it takes for the helium to accumulate over time, (Which is more accurate than fission dating). Then after analyzing the helium they dissolved the crystals to analyze them for uranium and thorium by (Inductive coupled plasma mass spectrometry). The date given was between 400kyrs-500kyrs ago.
Yes I have tries to get her to look into this before, as far as I know the dating itself is not controversial, the material is actually that old. The sceptics say the material must be from a deeper layer, while the original archeologists claim they took it from the old ground level of the village they excavated.
Homo Erectus first colonized the Americas IMHO!
This why they have double-blind testing in properly structured trials. Test methods might be skewed and data definitely skewed or even suppressed because of expectations. Representatives of the testers, but not the testers themselves, should be responsible for sample collection wherever possible, to remove potential bias of the seekers. As Dr Gregory House said, ''Everybody lies''.
Your channel ROCKS !
Your channel blew up - congratulations!! But don’t feel like you are now being pressured to do way more than what your doing. I’d say Pace your self - don’t burn your self out and don’t let this passion turn into a burden.
Just keep being your self and everything will work out fine 👍👍
Great job maybe one of your most informative video yet. Thank you 🙏
Thank you for this video. Fascinating! Keep up the good work! Again, thanks!
Great reporting, very informative and well delivered. I appreciate your enthusiasm for history and continuing discovery. Thank you for your work.
Good voice. You might try "Grey Silkie of Sule Skerry". I like the arrangement by 'Solas', you might try it.
Back on point, if you walk barefoot long enough, you can walk over sharp stones, snow, and even fire.
Go back to 'Upanishads' "the sharp cuts you because you seek to dull it, the ice chills you because you seek to warm it, fire only burns you because you seek to quench it. Do not challenge the world, and it will leave you."
Apparently, I've inherited my grandmother's, and great-great-grandmother Kunigunde's, talent for walking barefoot over sharp stones, snow and ice and even fire (well, hot coals covered in ash).
We forget that our barefoot ancestors relied on their feet to find water, find shellfish on the beach, and feel the ground when they were tracking game.
Kayleigh, thank you so much for your channel. I look forward always to your next video. They are so full of new information, and your presentations are so well thought out. Your channel is one of the treasures of the internet.
This channel truly is a treasure. 👍🏼
Always a good video! I also agree, a very interesting subject.
Insightful and informative
Thanks for the content
Greetings from Texas!
Great video. Very interesting information.Were there any chipped stone tools found at the site.I know you mentioned bone tools. Thanks for the video.
six flakes of Pedernal chert
I have always believed that people have been here 40 thousand years, maybe even more! I am so glad they are finding more and more evidence, just thrilling good job Kayleigh
Carnivorous beasts don't create a pile of bones as a refuse. (For them, bones are always spread out.)
Humans do. For us, neatness counts. Humans also keep vultures and scavengers away -- and do so for so long that what's left is inedible.
The skull topping was a nice touch -- and was certainly a ritualized practice.
Why don't you have 100,000 subs already you deserve it
My ancestors have been here in the Americas migrating north to south for thousands of years.
Hearing Kayleigh mention UT Austin is pure joy. This is such a good channel.
Thank you!
Fantastic news!! This should definitely prove that the costal migratinon happen. At least for the pre-Clovis culture, maybe the Clovis people were doing the land migration. Waiting for the next video for you :)
The depth of your content is excellent.
There is evidence in many places here in the US, even here in Texas, of human occupation up to 25,000 years ago.
37,000 year old human occupation is very exciting to think about.
Maybe, humans came up from South America instead of down from Siberia.
@ Brandon Letzco Or so they Say.
More likely they came down the coast of western North America by boat. Who knows what is buried under all the coastal land now hundreds of feet deep after the Ice Age ended and flooded the coasts?
@@lovenothate111 Without the slightest disrespect to anyone, I am very much afraid that the present Native Americans do not descend from those early populations. They came about 20'000 years later, or quite possibly more. Like I am a West European, but share no common lineage with the Europeans who made the great paintings of Lascaux, Altamira or Chauvet caves.
Re: the Gault Site in Texas
Scenario: sometime after 50kya, Andamanese-related sailors went round the north Pacific coast and met Siberian Stoppover folks in Beringia. They married, eventually they sailed the west coast down to the Andes, settling along the way.
Then they went East to the Amazon, the Rockies, and other lands. There may have been people already there not sure. This is my take from genetic analysis by Silva et al 2020 "Deep genetic affinity..."
PS This paper in Fronteirs suggests that the coastal Austronesian thing was long before the Beringian Siberians.
Amazing presentation and very eloquently spoken and well put together video
Thank you for another excellent video.
Great episode. It's a fascinating frontier of archeology and that frontier seems to be being pushed back every year.
I worked on a Northern Californian site that was dated 13,000 years ago .... in the early 70s. We were met with very insulting dis - belief and hostility . I suspect there have been many movements to the Americas from the east and west. ..... Proving them and evaluating their influence is another mater. But I think the evidence for pre-Clovis is pretty good now .
wow cool. and of course that site is even older today
Love this stuff. Now I gotta watch all of them. I like the way you approach the topics.
Thank you
I have heard of this, not as completely as you explained, but probably because I do live in Austin... Texas.
There may well have been homo spp in Nth America over the last 30+K yrs, but that may not mean continuous or even connected coverage, as these races of human were almost certainly not the same nor were the earlier species ancestors of the later ones. We know so little and there are such huge gaps - tantalising, yet frustrating. A good video. This is one of your better ones.
I do look forward to more videos, your career as an archeological vlogger is certainly progressing admirably, ...and I hope your own life is developing as you want. You are very much appreciated, both professionally and personally. It is your pleasant and quirky personality and endearing personal touch that are some of the main things that set you apart as unique and watchable. Blessings.
Very interesting video kaylee. Could you do one about the hunting traps used by archaic humans?
I thought Kayleigh was about to say they found human remains under the mammoth. Great video new subscriber!
U should do some podcasts.
Greetings from Texas 🌵
Thank you for mentioning how the Clovis people are related to Europeans and Asians equally. Because see my family's been from New Mexico for a very long time. And this matches up with our history stories
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It's an exciting discovery. I'd like to see some more supporting evidence found, just because the dating doesn't really align with the findings from NE Asia, NW Europe, or the Pacific Islands where people most likely would have crossed to North America. The finds in those places form a much later timeline for humans transiting to NA. However, these aren't easy to find and one can only imagine the evidence scattered around the world buried under feet of soil.
Thx.. I always thought they were wrong on that time frame… Thx for the info on Texas nice work
I had always assumed that there was more than one migration into North America and this of particular interest to me as my wife is Mohawk and I would love to be able to understand her peoples migration to North America.
I believe we are wrong on many scientific theories about not only when man came here but how they got here. I believe man was sailing the coastal regions and traveling long distance in these journeys. And unfortunately time has removed any trace of said movement but it just makes sense to utilize the ocean not only for food but trade and exploration. Great stuff.
Thanks Kayleigh!
I love this series, so I think you need to get an assistant. Maybe you could trick a relative into helping.
This study is going to stir debate for sure. I am eager to find out if I will hear about this when I go to SEAC this year.
I cannot help but wonder if the previous difficulty in getting serious pre-Clovis evidence might be due to cataclysm or catastrophic population collapse creating a healthy gap between the 2 populations making a void on the far side of Clovis evidence. That would make it look more like a starting point rather than perhaps what it could be, a "restarting" point for a culture big enough to provide decent archeologic detritus at a statistically discoverable rate.
Kayleigh, I'm absolutely addicted to your videos... Absolutely fascinating and thank you for making them❤🥰👍🙏!!!
I got attacked by an Ent 2 weeks ago Just starting to catch up on these kinds of videos. I love this one since I’ve believed for a long time that the traveling ingenuity of ancient folks is always grossly under estimated. Thank you once again finding these things and sharing for those of us who can’t go searching.
An Ear Nose and Throat doctor attacked you?!?!? Are you going to sue him?
@@Frankie5Angels150 you are not a Lord of the Rings fan. Ents are giant tree folk of Fangorn forest Well a 60 foot tall tree fell on me. I’m quite beat up but lucky to be alive .
@@yeoldfart8762 When the Hobbits put on Axe scent the results were not as desired...
Thank you for the additional information.
There's a controversial archaeological dig done in the 1960s in Hueyatlaco, Mexico with carbon dates of human activity being 250,000 years old. Human occupation of North America is very problematic for academics as you mentioned.
Carbon dating can only be used up to about 50,000 yr. Some other form of dating perhaps?
@@meanders9221 there were a number of arguments against the actual numbers produced by the c14 dating. I imagine certainly that 50,000 year barrier is one of them. However, I'm going to do some more research into that topic. I haven't really looked at it in probably 10 years. Anyway it's a window into what a mess archeology is in North America.
Yes! Thank you. I forgo the name of that site. It’s been bashed because of the date. Rule of thumb. The older the date the more you debate.
C14 gets iffy at 250,000 years. It’s at its best around 50,000 years which is the half-life of C14. Still it is capable of such dating with careful technique.
And had that very same site been in Africa and discovered in the 1960’s it would now be in a textbook as fact, not near-fiction.
Fox out.
@@meanders9221 I am sure it is available online, but my memory is that they used both stratigraphic dating of volcanic ash, and uranium decay methods. One use of carbon dating even for such ancient dates is that C14 readings would be essentially zero, allowing the scientist to at least say "older than 50K years".
Allegations of fraud at the worst. Technical incompetence or sample contamination at the lower end. Destroyed any future career of the managing archeologist.
Hello Kayleigh !!! girl you talk as much as you want !!! love your channel & the subject matter !!!
There have often been mentions of a hypothesis about humans getting here by boat before the land bridge, by following the coastline. This could easily support that hypothesis.
Edited to add: your spot on Dr. David Miano & World of Antiquity was what brought me here several months ago, so likely most of the rest either came from that video, or from the Almighty Algorithm showing you to history buffs due to the ones like me, or both. 🙂👍🏼
Would it be possible to provide a link to the article published in Frontiers in Ecology and Evolution? Wondering what techniques were used to arrive at a date for the prints and artefacts. Carbon-14 comes readily to mind, however there may be others and if multiple methods reach similar conclusions independently, this would help to substantiate the presence of humans in North America at an earlier date. Establishing the mode of entry (on foot via Bering Strait land bridge vs. boat across Pacific) may not be so straightforward.
The link is in the description underneath sources. I always provide all sources that i have used and mentioned in my description for others to check out 🙂
Nice work as usual, Kayleigh. I'm quite certain there was human occupation in the area of New Mexico and Texas, and other regions, far longer than mainstream anthropologists can prove.
Check out the San Diego bone site. 130, 000 years old!
@@cattymajiv Lack of evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen.
@@robcreel4257 No. But until they do find some, it isn't any more likely that it did happen than any of a million other ideas. That's all I'm saying. I did word my comment badly, and I'm sorry I did that. I'll erase or fix it right away. Your comment to Kayleigh was a gracious one, so I feel bad now.
I got upset reading comments to pre-history videos, because there are so many nutcases commenting. Then I said something to you that was too harsh, because the other people had gotten under my skin. I shouldn't have done that. So I'm glad you replied, because it prompted me to see that I was wrong. I'm sorry.
It doesn't bother me when people are mistaken, and I usually don't comment on it, but those who believe real craziness do annoy me sometimes. I mean, I don't care what people think, but the fact that those people tend to fill up the comments can make it hard to find the posts from the people who are interested in REAL prehistory. It makes conversations with normal people impossible, or far too difficult. There are more and more of those gullible people all the time.
Now Netflix and the others are all legitimatizing that craziness too! I don't think that encouraging irrationality is a valid thing for them to do, especially in these times. So I become downright angry.
But that has nothing to do with you, and I'm sorry. I'm going now to fix or delete my earlier comment to you. Please accept my apology for going overboard.
I'm back again. I deleted it. Sorry about that.
@@cattymajiv i do accept the apology. I hold no animosity nor judgement.
@@robcreel4257 Thank you! 😉 ✌🏼
Thanks Kayleigh. You bring a lot of things to light for all of us. Love from Texas ❤❤❤❤❤
Thanks for a great video, Kayleigh. Someone once said that science advances not just through new discoveries, but often just by the dying off of the old guard who refuse to relinquish their views. No where is this more true than in North American archeology.
However, a considerable amount of blame belongs to America politics of the 19th century. There was considerable effort to discount and discredit not just Native Americans, but also European American academicians who were beginning to recognize, or at least believe, that there was a past history for these people. This interfered with America's "Manifest Destiny", so a history of any significance for the Indian "savages" had to be quashed. One of the more infamous individuals involved was Ales Hrdlicka, who, from his positions at The American Museum of Natural History and then the Smithsonian Institute, was notorious for his treatment of colleagues who dared to suggest that Native Americans had any previous cultural significance or early presence in the Americas. Even in the 20th century there were accounts by anthropologists who were cautioned by their mentors not to report, or even dig, anything that suggested earlier timelines than Clovis because it could have a negative effect on their future careers.
Fortunately this has begun to change as discoveries at sites such as Meadowcroft Rockshelter, the Topper Site, Monte Verde, and Gault have produced not only ancient artifacts, but also graduate students who have gone on to earn their PhD and are not afraid to investigate sites and dates that were ignored in the past.
Plus there are now First Nations and Native archaeologists who are affiliated with tribes and have more access to tribal lore. Many tribes figured out that non-Native academics were only there to study, claim Indigenous knowledge and commodify what had been told to them for free. After awhile tribes just made up nonsense and the academics didn't realize they were being told fake stories just so they would go away. Most Indigenous people are still amused by some of the stories passed off by these types of academics that are easily debunked today by people who belong to a tribe and are telling some of their own stories
Congratulations with the success of your channel
Thank you!
Kayleigh, your series on homonids has really been inspiring me to integrate some tales from Doggerland into a comic book I am drawing
I have a question -
What would the people who lived there, before the Storegga Slide Tsunami ( that's a tongue twister ) have called Doggerland?
That begs the question, could it have been a large population center?
Home?
They would have called it home.
Wasn't it just a lush hunting ground but actually quite boggy so not many people lived there?
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Think dynamic change. Dogger land is like every place. Over the glacial cycles it has been the bottom of a sea, as it is now. Under a mile thick glacier. Dry land surrounded by sea on three sides. Warm lush and balmy. Cold dank and inhospitable. And through half that time people probably lived there. In the snow at times and in the sun others. Through wet and dry. Like so many places it was “home” to somebody. Until is was not.
Fox out.
@Hell's Bottom Congress Of Puppets cool ! as a comicartist myself, interested in such topic Im really interested to read ^^
Great journalism. Facts, dates, being open minded and following the facts....thank you for bringing this to us. This is the kind of science documentary that we need to find these historical answers.
i agree with you, the official narrative makes less sense every decade.
Thank you Kayleigh! Very interesting. I think your presentation is great and your facts certainly support this age determination.
Humans in North America 37,000 years ago. Wow!
In the 1970s ,I took a college course about civilizations in South and Central America. I remember the text made some claims about evidence of agriculture dating back as far as 50k years. I thought it was ridiculous , but who knows?
Keep up the good work.
Another good one and to your point of things changing when I was in school for archeology in the early 90s my professor had studied under Dr adavasio and dug at meadowcroft he disagreed with his mentor and was part of the Clovis "revolution" keep up the great work and the migraines at bay
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