I am back to biking after 37 years too. Although my biking experience back then were off road Trials Bikes. I did own a few road bikes at the same time BSA's, Honda's etc. Riding on a provisional licence which I was able to ride up to 250cc back then. I never actually went for my bike test, all I wanted at the time was my car licence and I passed my test in 1974. I promised myself that I would next go in for my bike test, but met a girl and got married, that idea soon whe out of the window. Now semi retired at 63 I did my bike test last year, I couldn't beleive at the hoops one has to go through in todays bike test but things have changed bikes are faster and more cars on the road so I can fully understand those hoops. My first bike after passing my test was a 650 V-strom, never really liked it but put 3500 miles on the clock and was ready for a change. I too went for the RT a bit intimidating at first with the weight but fine now after the first 500 mile. I am now doing my advanced riding with RoSPA. All the best with your RT and ride safe.
YAY! Congrats on the RT! Watching your videos from old to new to get the full effect of your experience getting back to biking. Love the videos and love the meticulous method you used to find your bike. Looking forward to catching up with your posts. May require some binge watching but since the temps here are dropping below 0*F for a few days I like my chances! Peace!
Congrats on the new bike, and I know you will love it. Happy that you got the bike that was best suited for "you". Ride safe, and welcome "back2thebike".
Thanks Kevin. Just got to learn to ride it safely now, as well as work out what all the buttons do. Took me 20 mins to get the petrol cap off yesterday ...
Hi Neil Apologies for calling you Tony before, I am watching these the totally wrong order, seeing you aiming for a lighter bike following the heart diagnosis, I suggested nothing bigger than 900cc. Found these vids as part of your initial bike purchase decision making process, I still think having seen your recent vids and how your riding has come on the 650 would still fit you to a tee. Serious question would be do you need all the bells and whistles some of the bikes have? The 650 as others have said you would use typically 70% of what it can provide and get a lot more satisfaction from it than only riding to 30% of what a bike can give. As ever though what the head says and what the heart desires can be totally different
Back2TheBike no problem, I know we’re all busy people. I had the RT but traded it for the GSA as it suits my height of 6’2” better; all Beemers are great bikes though and yours will take you many a mile🏍👍😃
Cheers Andrew, glad you enjoyed it. There will be more reflections to come as I get to know the bike. I was surprised that for a bike that's been around as long as the RT just how little TH-cam material there is.
As Andrew says, I am enjoying the series and looking forward to more. I would have put your number four as my number one, but only because I have a different intended use for the bike. I want to get back into "wilderness" camping and the bike will be a big part of that. By wilderness, I don't mean primeval forests, deserts, or even mountain tops. Just a mile or two away from paved roads and electrical hookups for airconditioned caravans (or trailers as we Americans call them).
Absolutely! Your choice of bike is all about the job you want it to do, it's a very personal thing. Glad you're enjoying it and nice to make contact. Ride safe my friend.
Spot on. My biking career is taking a break for now and I must agree that the RT1200 is a wonderful all round bike and is most likely to be my next bike! Love your videos.
Good reviews I liked them. I did something similar last year trying to decide what bike to buy. I wanted an adventure style bike so had the V Strom 1000 and 600. Yamaha Super Tenere and the KTM 1090 on my list. Went with the V Strom 1000 and have no regrets as for the money its a great bike. The Tenere was better but a lot heavier and more expensive. We make our choices and live by them. Safe riding.
Hi Dave, interesting and fun too trying them out. How are you getting on with the 1000? Real value for money, and infinitely mod-able too. You should make a video!
Thanks Buddy. Summer sounds good, but hope to steal a few days here and there when the weather is decent over the winter too! Enjoy your trip in the peninsular.
Just subscribed too your channel as I am just starting the same journey u did back to biking after 25 years and just been down to bmw Wollaston to look at the 1250 rt just need to book a back to biking course just wonder which course you could recommend
Hi James. Get yourself along to the Obekisk Centre, 0830 Sunday morning for a free check ride with the IAM Group. They’ll look after you. nammc.org.uk/contact-us/
Good choice! I got back to riding after 17 years and bought a new '10 Busa. Hugely entertaining, but I found myself well over 200Km/h way too often, and found it painful after a couple of hours crouched forward if not going fast.. The police started using radar more and more too.. The RT will be my next bike, looks like it feels "right" at sane speeds and is more useable. FWIW, I live in the SW of Western Australia, we do not get snow or ice, but we do have some long open roads.. And some lovely rides through the forests in the SW.
The RT is a lot of fun and relatively easy to ride. The challenge I think is at walking pace when turning, but that is something practice can resolve. May the force be with you.
Honda Blackbird ... Sporty in the twisties (still a heavy bike so definitely a tourer) . Comfy 2 up all day long . And if you want a bit of performance you have 130mph with 3 gears to go lol . and the best bit ? you will get a good one for under 4k :-)
Congratulations on the new bike, it's a really lovely example, and on a very interesting and well considered series of videos too. I've watched through the Vstrom ones more than once as I am considering them very seriously. However, I did discover that I can reach the ground on a GS last weekend, which has kind of muddied my thinking. There's little doubt that the RT is a fabulous bike, albeit my least favourite of those you tested, and I wouldn't say no if given the chance to tour on one! Keep up with the videos, it'll be fun seeing your adventures as they unfold.
Interesting comment. The key is that now, particularly in the winter, you buy a newish used GS with low mileage, maybe some BMW warranty, for similar money to the 1000XT. My feelings ebbed and flowed many times, eventually had to sleep on it and let intuition decide. Th key is ride them all, fact find until you're blue in the face, and do what's best for your requirement.
Just came across your channel... nice work. I have the old v strom 650,great all rounder cheap to run too.I test rode 2 bmw rt s a few years back , one broke on the test ride, and other had 1000's of pounds worth of common faults,you'll be glad you've bought a newish one.I went for the gtr1400 which a great bike too,and reliable.look forward to more vids.... by the way you ride i would have thought the 650 non xt version would have suited,but to have the strom in 2nd was good to see,youll notice the difference moving them around in the garage!
Hi Robert, they are lovely bikes, so practical, getting lots of attention at Motorcycle Live 2107 yesterday. I'm just learning how to move the RT around the garage now!
Very enjoyable series of videos. Although I disagree with the ranking (the R1200GS is in my opinion an excellent all-rounder), I'm sure that the RT will serve you well. Ride safe.
Nice choice, a lovely bike for long distance touring. I still prefer the GS just cos it looks so darn utilitarian. I went with the strom 1000 mainly as here in Canada/US the dealer network for Suzuki is much better and the bike has a better reliability history then the beemer and so far have been very pleased with it. You pays your money you take your choice that,s whats so great about motorcycling.
Beautiful bike mate , think about doing your advanced license it will help you get the most out of your bike,really enjoying your videos thanks for sharing 👍
Now that 2 yrs have passed, how do you feel about the BMW. Would you still consider the Strom 650? If you could do it over, being hind-sight is 20-20... which would you buy with your new found experience and knowledge?
You surprised me with your choice, though it is the one I would have made as well. I really thought, given that you were just getting back into it after such a long hiatus, that you would have picked the Vstrom 650XT. About the only downside to the BMW is the potential to frustrate you from time to time with its higher maintenance cost, but the factory warranty transfers so you should have 1.5 + years of warranty coverage. On the upside, you probably won't be tempted to spend additional funds to upgrade to a bigger or better machine in a year or two. The bike looks great and I'm sure you will find it a joy to ride. Congrats on your decision, and ride safe!
Thanks Dean, kind words indeed. Truth be told, I surprised myself with the RT. On the costs, I believe I got a genuine bargain, and it won't need servicing for 12 months, and has BMW warranty left on it. I waited for a long time, and bought it sight unseen after a 10 min phone call from a very reputable dealer. The mileage means I can ride it for a couple of years and maybe still sell it on with less than 10K on the clock.
Thanks for the reply. I, too, think you got a real bargain. Unless the one you bought turns out to be problematic, I doubt you'll be wanting to sell it on. There's just nothing this bike doesn't do as well or better than anything else within the context of your intended usage. I'm envious! Hope you'll be sharing your adventures on the new bike with us TH-camrs.
Similar vintage and story. Although I took a couple of intermediate steps in smaller capacity bike purchase before looking at a large bike. My criteria included some dirt road capacity but nothing hard core. Have owned many BMW bikes and the GS/A was a consideration, but price and feel ruled it out for me - great bike though. I ended up with the VStrom 1000 which I am enjoying and fulfills my 80/20 blacktop/dirt criteria. Agree the throttle is a bit of an issue and the screen (compared to the GS/A) is not as efficient. The VStrom has great balance and is a delight to be pushed around the twisties. Overall I think it offers great bang for the buck. But I'm sure for blacktop only riding the RT is a great choice - good luck with it.
Yes, I concur with you. As you say, a very similar story, and one I'm hearing a lot of. Many like us wanting to make the journey back and get it right. Your point about the value of the Vstrom 1000 is spot-on. I suspect there isn't better value out there. Stay safe and thanks for watching.
I think you've done well there. sounds obvious, but talking coherently whilst riding, especially when you haven't been riding for so long isn't as easy as it seems. I'm looking at the 650 Strom... Rode a mates recently and loved it. Hope all is going well... In this current madness.
Hope you’re happy with your choice; V twins are V twins. Although the V Strom 1000 has a slipper clutch, so quite why you were being thrust forward so violently I don’t really know; I have read that some have required throttle adjustment out of the box... As a V Strom 1000 rider I’m sad you didn’t go for a ‘Strom, but the RT ‘ticked your boxes’, so congrats & enjoy 👍🏻
Cheers Cloggsy. I suspect it was a throttle adjustment issue. I've seen another TH-cam review, can't remember which one, where he had the same problem but got it adjusted and it was fine. It's also very likely my ham-fistedness coming back to biking after such a long time. The XT's sound fantastic!
I just came across your channel after a look at the RT and GS myself. I agree the RT just seems more comfortable riding for myself as well. I have to say the bike looks beautiful and I did notice the crash bars all the way up by the mirrors are great for lane splitting! Do you know the brand?
Excellent choice - the modern RT seems to be an amazing all rounder. Did you buy it private or get it from, say, Wollaston's of Northampton? I ask as that's where I get my s1000r from. And while it's terrific - had it over 3 years and have toured on it - I've been considering something more relaxed to ride but still with enough go. Like the underrated RT (at least compared to the GS). Oh, and a great series of videos by the way!
Thanks Gary. Neither actually. Felt it was fair to give the BMW dealership a week to find something. But then spotted the bike on Autotrader from Hunts Manchester, a Honda dealer who sell a lot of BMW's with substantial discount over BMW dealership. Bike had 8 mths warranty so no worries there and was in perfect nick, so bought it sight unseen. I'm delighted with it as you can tell.
For 1200 pounds that's bonkers. Nothing can justify that price. You can get a BMW or Klim jacket, a heated vest and an airvest and apart from all the safety you get you still have plenty left for fuel
very good second place for a budget suzuki 650 competing directly with rather luxury bmw RT :) I hope RT is holding up well by now as for the suzuki it would be a moot question rather.
You made a good decision my RT has now covered 85K still in good nick but that Vstrom 650 is an absolute peach, I have ridden my buddies bike many times and if money allowed I would buy one in a heart beat! Why people buy the 1000, my guess, bragging rights maybe.
I'm with you there. I believe the 650 is the better bike in the sense that it feels more together somehow. That said, if you tour two up the 1000 gives the extra oomph. I love both though ...
One last comment, while I concur that BMWs hold their value better then most bikes out there, (which is why I haven't found one I can afford just yet), how did you find one at such a bargain price. Are you able to verify if the bike has been in any accidents in the UK?
John LeGresley a longish process. I worked out exactly what I wanted, a top spec Low mileage RT. Id spent months looking at the market, and was offered a higher mileage bike for £14K by the BMW dealer. It didn't sit right and I didn't have any peace of mind about it. I'm a Christian, and this may seem strange but i prayed about it and felt I had to let it go. The following morning I checked Autotrader ( on line marketplace here in the UK) and found a newer bike, 15 months old with only 3500 on the clock for £11K. I rang the dealer, placed a deposit. He told me they had priced it wrong but would honour it anyway. Yet again I'm amazed at my God who loves to give his kids good gifts.
Hi Rick, yes it came with the panniers and a top box. I think the key is to work out exactly what spec you want, then keep a close eye on eBay and Autotrader. I'd recommend Hunts Manchester as they deal with a lot of BM's and can significantly undercut the main dealers.
Well you did get a bargain then, Great top spec low mileage bike, I wasn't so keen on Hunts when I was after a Diavel, Actually ended up getting a better spec at a lower price from Ducati Mcr.
Congratulations on your new bike! I have watched your five videos, and the reasoning and journey to your final choice with great interest, speaking as a potentially returning rider of similar age, and thank you for the time and effort that you have put into them, and for sharing. It's only my opinion, but I think you made entirely the right choice. For myself, having club raced motorcycles when I was young and brave, a return to motorcycling now is a little daunting. The weight of a machine moving it around and on and off the stand etc, and as I discovered sitting on one recently, that even getting a leg across the saddle when mounting was nowhere as easy as I once remembered! I'd also add that after a few decades of driving cars, that getting wet, cold, or having a fall would all be very off-putting now. As such really good weather protection and a very agile bike in the handling department would be two priorities for me. I am researching the GS/GSA and the RT as my two possible choices. Here in Australia the GS/GSA is noticeably more popular than the RT - mainly I think because the weather protection is perhaps more balanced for very hot summer conditions than the RT, and given our often indifferent roads and vast distances, the suspension setup of the GS/GSA and fuel range on the GSA is an advantage over the RT. And of course if you need to go down a dirt or gravel track a short distance, say to a campsite, then the off road advantages of the GS also come into play. Having said that, if one never intended to go down a dirt road (and there are plenty of GS/GSA riders here who never take them offload) I'd say the RT is the better bike overall from a road/touring POV. Congratulations again on your new bike and I look forwards to further reports.. :-)
Gooday John - glad you've enjoyed the videos. My gut reaction when I first got close up the RT/GS 1200's was the same as yours - 'they're massive beasts!'. However I now understand what everyone means that the weight simply disappears once you're moving, even 3 mph. So easy to ride as well, and the fact that they have so many safety aids to stop you skidding and stay upright. Let me know what you decide. I also think when you get to our age, don't you deserve the very best you can afford? Go for it.
Was comparing the V-Strom to the RT as well. I did love the RT, but here in Canada, the RT (even used) go for approximately $20,000 vs $12k for a brand new Vee. Yes, I ended up putting another $2000 in luggage and crash protection etc.. but still saved a bundle. My only grip is the Goldie Locks Syndrome, the Vee is too large to take into the woods, and a bit too small on the highway w two up and luggage. Sooo yeah, I wish I had bought the either the 650XT or that deal on the RT would have been too sweet to turn down. After only a year, I am putting my Vee up for sale.
That;s interesting John. For me, this was something I'd waited for for many years so that swung it for the RT. They hold their value too, another factor. What will you go for now? Would the GS fit your requirement as you can take it down the trails and its plenty big enough for 2 up?
Some do take the giant GS on single tracks, but they tend to drop them often and takes an army to pick them off the dirt. I would gladly buy the new Honda 450 Dual Sport. Then again, I could also see myself walking out of the showroom with a new GoldWing. If I could afford it, and there was room in my garage I'd have both bikes. Just gotta pass it by the Warden first. Speaking of, how the heck did you get the wife on board??? PS Blame it on your countrymen: Like many riders, I got hooked when I saw Charle and Ewan do the round the world tour on their GS models. That been said, realistically, few really can or do take them off road without a crew at hand.
John LeGresley The Goldwing would be an interesting prospect off road! Geomoto has done a film on that. My wife? Good question. She was a nurse so has seen the downside first hand, but she realised like a lot of blokes we need an interest. I had to promise I wouldn't take the kids on board. She's seen the difference in my general levels of happiness and is now fully supportive.
One other bike, (assuming I try the GoldWing) would be the GTL1600 by BMW. Here in Canada, the bike is actually less then the GoldWing and not that much more then the 1200RT. Did you try that one? and if so, how does it compare to your RT?
well I have followed all the videos. I myself am on my 7th BM. (never owned an RT) Didn't think this would be your choice. A riding friend has an RT. We have toured Europe twice. I cannot keep up with him, when required it can move with some serious speed. Me I ride like you, cautiously, but safely.
Seven BM's is a serious endorsement for the brand Stephen. I suspect I'll never push the envelope on the RT, but staying safely inside its capabilities will be more than enough performance for me. I tried an emergency stop on its first ride, and suspect it's stopping power impresses just as much as its acceleration. Ride safe, and thanks for watching.
I am back to biking after 37 years too. Although my biking experience back then were off road Trials Bikes. I did own a few road bikes at the same time BSA's, Honda's etc. Riding on a provisional licence which I was able to ride up to 250cc back then. I never actually went for my bike test, all I wanted at the time was my car licence and I passed my test in 1974. I promised myself that I would next go in for my bike test, but met a girl and got married, that idea soon whe out of the window. Now semi retired at 63 I did my bike test last year, I couldn't beleive at the hoops one has to go through in todays bike test but things have changed bikes are faster and more cars on the road so I can fully understand those hoops. My first bike after passing my test was a 650 V-strom, never really liked it but put 3500 miles on the clock and was ready for a change. I too went for the RT a bit intimidating at first with the weight but fine now after the first 500 mile. I am now doing my advanced riding with RoSPA. All the best with your RT and ride safe.
Hi Keith and welcome. That's an interesting story. Please join the debate with your experiences. Sounds like we should start a club!
Sounds like fun and on my agenda at some stage when I've taken the stabilisers off the bike ...
YAY! Congrats on the RT! Watching your videos from old to new to get the full effect of your experience getting back to biking. Love the videos and love the meticulous method you used to find your bike. Looking forward to catching up with your posts. May require some binge watching but since the temps here are dropping below 0*F for a few days I like my chances!
Peace!
Welcome (Wilkommen) to B2TB and thanks for the encouragement. More videos coming soon!
Congrats on the new bike, and I know you will love it. Happy that you got the bike that was best suited for "you". Ride safe, and welcome "back2thebike".
Thanks Kevin. Just got to learn to ride it safely now, as well as work out what all the buttons do. Took me 20 mins to get the petrol cap off yesterday ...
Tha ks for the review and sharing your thought process. Always insightful to see what other riders value. Cheers on getting the BMW 1200RT.
Glad it helped. Just going through it all again to choose my next bike! See the latest video.
Hi Neil
Apologies for calling you Tony before, I am watching these the totally wrong order, seeing you aiming for a lighter bike following the heart diagnosis, I suggested nothing bigger than 900cc. Found these vids as part of your initial bike purchase decision making process, I still think having seen your recent vids and how your riding has come on the 650 would still fit you to a tee.
Serious question would be do you need all the bells and whistles some of the bikes have?
The 650 as others have said you would use typically 70% of what it can provide and get a lot more satisfaction from it than only riding to 30% of what a bike can give.
As ever though what the head says and what the heart desires can be totally different
@@jonathanrawson8585 good question. Over the 24 months I've owned the RT I've only used a fraction of its capabilities.
Great bike, great choice and the most comfortable seat I’ve ever ridden. Enjoy your new passion and ride safe. Cheers, Andy
Thanks Andy, sorry I didn't reply earlier.
Back2TheBike no problem, I know we’re all busy people. I had the RT but traded it for the GSA as it suits my height of 6’2” better; all Beemers are great bikes though and yours will take you many a mile🏍👍😃
Just cleaned her today for the first time using Muc-Off. Nice and shiny now!
Enjoyed the series! Completely agree with your ranking of the bikes.
Cheers Andrew, glad you enjoyed it. There will be more reflections to come as I get to know the bike. I was surprised that for a bike that's been around as long as the RT just how little TH-cam material there is.
Glad to hear that there will be follow up videos on the RT. There are to few reviews on the RT.
As Andrew says, I am enjoying the series and looking forward to more.
I would have put your number four as my number one, but only because I have a different intended use for the bike. I want to get back into "wilderness" camping and the bike will be a big part of that. By wilderness, I don't mean primeval forests, deserts, or even mountain tops. Just a mile or two away from paved roads and electrical hookups for airconditioned caravans (or trailers as we Americans call them).
Absolutely! Your choice of bike is all about the job you want it to do, it's a very personal thing. Glad you're enjoying it and nice to make contact. Ride safe my friend.
Spot on. My biking career is taking a break for now and I must agree that the RT1200 is a wonderful all round bike and is most likely to be my next bike! Love your videos.
Glad you're enjoying them. My biking career took a 37 year break - I've got some catching up to do ! Thanks for getting in touch.
Well done, hope you have many enjoyable miles on your new (lovely) bike.
That's kind of you, thanks. It is certainly putting a smile on my face !
Good reviews I liked them. I did something similar last year trying to decide what bike to buy. I wanted an adventure style bike so had the V Strom 1000 and 600. Yamaha Super Tenere and the KTM 1090 on my list. Went with the V Strom 1000 and have no regrets as for the money its a great bike. The Tenere was better but a lot heavier and more expensive. We make our choices and live by them. Safe riding.
Hi Dave, interesting and fun too trying them out. How are you getting on with the 1000? Real value for money, and infinitely mod-able too. You should make a video!
Totally agree on the advanced riding course, that will do far more for your safety than any amount of lights, high viz or presence.
They say training is the best investment, I agree with that. That said, no harm in lights etc as long as you don't put too much trust in them ...
It's a beauty. Roll on next summer. I am going to ride through Spain and Portugal on my first trip next year.
Thanks Buddy. Summer sounds good, but hope to steal a few days here and there when the weather is decent over the winter too! Enjoy your trip in the peninsular.
Just subscribed too your channel as I am just starting the same journey u did back to biking after 25 years and just been down to bmw Wollaston to look at the 1250 rt just need to book a back to biking course just wonder which course you could recommend
Hi James. Get yourself along to the Obekisk Centre, 0830 Sunday morning for a free check ride with the IAM Group. They’ll look after you. nammc.org.uk/contact-us/
Good choice! I got back to riding after 17 years and bought a new '10 Busa. Hugely entertaining, but I found myself well over 200Km/h way too often, and found it painful after a couple of hours crouched forward if not going fast.. The police started using radar more and more too..
The RT will be my next bike, looks like it feels "right" at sane speeds and is more useable. FWIW, I live in the SW of Western Australia, we do not get snow or ice, but we do have some long open roads.. And some lovely rides through the forests in the SW.
The RT is a lot of fun and relatively easy to ride. The challenge I think is at walking pace when turning, but that is something practice can resolve. May the force be with you.
Honda Blackbird ... Sporty in the twisties (still a heavy bike so definitely a tourer) . Comfy 2 up all day long . And if you want a bit of performance you have 130mph with 3 gears to go lol .
and the best bit ? you will get a good one for under 4k :-)
Congratulations on the new bike, it's a really lovely example, and on a very interesting and well considered series of videos too. I've watched through the Vstrom ones more than once as I am considering them very seriously. However, I did discover that I can reach the ground on a GS last weekend, which has kind of muddied my thinking. There's little doubt that the RT is a fabulous bike, albeit my least favourite of those you tested, and I wouldn't say no if given the chance to tour on one! Keep up with the videos, it'll be fun seeing your adventures as they unfold.
Interesting comment. The key is that now, particularly in the winter, you buy a newish used GS with low mileage, maybe some BMW warranty, for similar money to the 1000XT. My feelings ebbed and flowed many times, eventually had to sleep on it and let intuition decide. Th key is ride them all, fact find until you're blue in the face, and do what's best for your requirement.
Nice series, I really think that any of the bikes would have been good. You really did make a good choice, I must say.
Great vlog again Neil. Good choice of bike mate.
Yep. 15 months later now and no regrets - she's absolutely perfect for my requirement.
Just came across your channel... nice work. I have the old v strom 650,great all rounder cheap to run too.I test rode 2 bmw rt s a few years back , one broke on the test ride, and other had 1000's of pounds worth of common faults,you'll be glad you've bought a newish one.I went for the gtr1400 which a great bike too,and reliable.look forward to more vids.... by the way you ride i would have thought the 650 non xt version would have suited,but to have the strom in 2nd was good to see,youll notice the difference moving them around in the garage!
Hi Robert, they are lovely bikes, so practical, getting lots of attention at Motorcycle Live 2107 yesterday. I'm just learning how to move the RT around the garage now!
Very enjoyable series of videos. Although I disagree with the ranking (the R1200GS is in my opinion an excellent all-rounder), I'm sure that the RT will serve you well. Ride safe.
Nice choice, a lovely bike for long distance touring. I still prefer the GS just cos it looks so darn utilitarian. I went with the strom 1000 mainly as here in Canada/US the dealer network for Suzuki is much better and the bike has a better reliability history then the beemer and so far have been very pleased with it. You pays your money you take your choice that,s whats so great about motorcycling.
Dave Stafford Hi Dave. The storm 1000 is a superb machine with lots of character and grunt. I enjoyed all those test rides though.
Beautiful bike mate , think about doing your advanced license it will help you get the most out of your bike,really enjoying your videos thanks for sharing 👍
Hi Mark, agreed. I signed up for IAM at Motorcycle live, so just waiting to get started. Thanks for watching!
Now that 2 yrs have passed, how do you feel about the BMW. Would you still consider the Strom 650? If you could do it over, being hind-sight is 20-20... which would you buy with your new found experience and knowledge?
Love the RT. I tested a few bikes out and got the RT as well, it's such a lovely bike 😊
Hi Aaron. Absolutely, and there's a lifetime of learning ahead to get to know its potential. Ride safe.
Grats! looks like a great bike
Thanks Claus - she's an absolute beauty, and I'm delighted with her.
You surprised me with your choice, though it is the one I would have made as well. I really thought, given that you were just getting back into it after such a long hiatus, that you would have picked the Vstrom 650XT. About the only downside to the BMW is the potential to frustrate you from time to time with its higher maintenance cost, but the factory warranty transfers so you should have
1.5 + years of warranty coverage. On the upside, you probably won't be tempted to spend additional funds to upgrade to a bigger or better machine in a year or two. The bike looks great and I'm sure you will find it a joy to ride. Congrats on your decision, and ride safe!
Thanks Dean, kind words indeed. Truth be told, I surprised myself with the RT. On the costs, I believe I got a genuine bargain, and it won't need servicing for 12 months, and has BMW warranty left on it. I waited for a long time, and bought it sight unseen after a 10 min phone call from a very reputable dealer. The mileage means I can ride it for a couple of years and maybe still sell it on with less than 10K on the clock.
Thanks for the reply. I, too, think you got a real bargain. Unless the one you bought turns out to be problematic, I doubt you'll be wanting to sell it on. There's just nothing this bike doesn't do as well or better than anything else within the context of your intended usage. I'm envious! Hope you'll be sharing your adventures on the new bike with us TH-camrs.
Will do. Every mistake I make will be in full public view!
Similar vintage and story. Although I took a couple of intermediate steps in smaller capacity bike purchase before looking at a large bike. My criteria included some dirt road capacity but nothing hard core. Have owned many BMW bikes and the GS/A was a consideration, but price and feel ruled it out for me - great bike though. I ended up with the VStrom 1000 which I am enjoying and fulfills my 80/20 blacktop/dirt criteria. Agree the throttle is a bit of an issue and the screen (compared to the GS/A) is not as efficient. The VStrom has great balance and is a delight to be pushed around the twisties. Overall I think it offers great bang for the buck. But I'm sure for blacktop only riding the RT is a great choice - good luck with it.
Yes, I concur with you. As you say, a very similar story, and one I'm hearing a lot of. Many like us wanting to make the journey back and get it right. Your point about the value of the Vstrom 1000 is spot-on. I suspect there isn't better value out there. Stay safe and thanks for watching.
I think you've done well there. sounds obvious, but talking coherently whilst riding, especially when you haven't been riding for so long isn't as easy as it seems. I'm looking at the 650 Strom... Rode a mates recently and loved it. Hope all is going well... In this current madness.
The Vstrom is a superb machine. Its got everything you need and can fulfil many roles
Lovely bike 👍🏻
Thanks, although she is a bit dirty now ...
With a pinlock visor it's double glazing so if it's correctly sealed you should not get any condensation
I don't get any on the pinlock part, only the perspex. I've since learned that I didn't have the vents adjusted properly ...
Hope you’re happy with your choice; V twins are V twins. Although the V Strom 1000 has a slipper clutch, so quite why you were being thrust forward so violently I don’t really know; I have read that some have required throttle adjustment out of the box... As a V Strom 1000 rider I’m sad you didn’t go for a ‘Strom, but the RT ‘ticked your boxes’, so congrats & enjoy 👍🏻
Cheers Cloggsy. I suspect it was a throttle adjustment issue. I've seen another TH-cam review, can't remember which one, where he had the same problem but got it adjusted and it was fine. It's also very likely my ham-fistedness coming back to biking after such a long time. The XT's sound fantastic!
Back2TheBike They do sound fantastic after you fit an after-market exhaust (which I haven’t done yet...)
Good choice ENJOY.
Thanks Chris, although I've since moved onto a Ducati Monster !
I just came across your channel after a look at the RT and GS myself. I agree the RT just seems more comfortable riding for myself as well. I have to say the bike looks beautiful and I did notice the crash bars all the way up by the mirrors are great for lane splitting! Do you know the brand?
They are made by Krauser and work well. It's fallen over twice when I was practising slow turns and the protection is excellent.
Excellent choice - the modern RT seems to be an amazing all rounder. Did you buy it private or get it from, say, Wollaston's of Northampton? I ask as that's where I get my s1000r from. And while it's terrific - had it over 3 years and have toured on it - I've been considering something more relaxed to ride but still with enough go. Like the underrated RT (at least compared to the GS).
Oh, and a great series of videos by the way!
Thanks Gary. Neither actually. Felt it was fair to give the BMW dealership a week to find something. But then spotted the bike on Autotrader from Hunts Manchester, a Honda dealer who sell a lot of BMW's with substantial discount over BMW dealership. Bike had 8 mths warranty so no worries there and was in perfect nick, so bought it sight unseen. I'm delighted with it as you can tell.
And Hunts offer a decent delivery service I see - thanks.
Gary Walker a bit slow as they'd just sold 70 bikes but i was very happy with them.
I still like the Vstrom 1000
Good choice, if safety is paramount I recommend the rukka nivala, safest jacket on the market and the warmest to.
Nice, but you need deep pockets to own one! Maybe next year?
Back2TheBike yes very expensive. I only mention it as the safety aspect seemed so important to you, and you can’t
.....get better
For 1200 pounds that's bonkers.
Nothing can justify that price. You can get a BMW or Klim jacket, a heated vest and an airvest and apart from all the safety you get you still have plenty left for fuel
very good second place for a budget suzuki 650 competing directly with rather luxury bmw RT :) I hope RT is holding up well by now as for the suzuki it would be a moot question rather.
Hi Robson. Yep the RT is fine thanks unlike its owner who is off the bike for a while with a medical issue. God willing back soon!
You made a good decision my RT has now covered 85K still in good nick but that Vstrom 650 is an absolute peach, I have ridden my buddies bike many times and if money allowed I would buy one in a heart beat! Why people buy the 1000, my guess, bragging rights maybe.
I'm with you there. I believe the 650 is the better bike in the sense that it feels more together somehow. That said, if you tour two up the 1000 gives the extra oomph. I love both though ...
Your very clear and concise during your video's, so please do more when the weather allows.
One last comment, while I concur that BMWs hold their value better then most bikes out there, (which is why I haven't found one I can afford just yet), how did you find one at such a bargain price. Are you able to verify if the bike has been in any accidents in the UK?
John LeGresley a longish process. I worked out exactly what I wanted, a top spec Low mileage RT. Id spent months looking at the market, and was offered a higher mileage bike for £14K by the BMW dealer. It didn't sit right and I didn't have any peace of mind about it. I'm a Christian, and this may seem strange but i prayed about it and felt I had to let it go. The following morning I checked Autotrader ( on line marketplace here in the UK) and found a newer bike, 15 months old with only 3500 on the clock for £11K. I rang the dealer, placed a deposit. He told me they had priced it wrong but would honour it anyway. Yet again I'm amazed at my God who loves to give his kids good gifts.
I'm on my knees brother...LOL...
Considering chopping my Diavel and NT 700 in for an RT similar to yours, you seem to have hot a good deal with that,, did you get any luggage with it?
Hi Rick, yes it came with the panniers and a top box. I think the key is to work out exactly what spec you want, then keep a close eye on eBay and Autotrader. I'd recommend Hunts Manchester as they deal with a lot of BM's and can significantly undercut the main dealers.
Well you did get a bargain then, Great top spec low mileage bike, I wasn't so keen on Hunts when I was after a Diavel, Actually ended up getting a better spec at a lower price from Ducati Mcr.
Who makes the Crash Bars?
Congratulations on your new bike! I have watched your five videos, and the reasoning and journey to your final choice with great interest, speaking as a potentially returning rider of similar age, and thank you for the time and effort that you have put into them, and for sharing. It's only my opinion, but I think you made entirely the right choice. For myself, having club raced motorcycles when I was young and brave, a return to motorcycling now is a little daunting. The weight of a machine moving it around and on and off the stand etc, and as I discovered sitting on one recently, that even getting a leg across the saddle when mounting was nowhere as easy as I once remembered! I'd also add that after a few decades of driving cars, that getting wet, cold, or having a fall would all be very off-putting now. As such really good weather protection and a very agile bike in the handling department would be two priorities for me. I am researching the GS/GSA and the RT as my two possible choices. Here in Australia the GS/GSA is noticeably more popular than the RT - mainly I think because the weather protection is perhaps more balanced for very hot summer conditions than the RT, and given our often indifferent roads and vast distances, the suspension setup of the GS/GSA and fuel range on the GSA is an advantage over the RT. And of course if you need to go down a dirt or gravel track a short distance, say to a campsite, then the off road advantages of the GS also come into play. Having said that, if one never intended to go down a dirt road (and there are plenty of GS/GSA riders here who never take them offload) I'd say the RT is the better bike overall from a road/touring POV. Congratulations again on your new bike and I look forwards to further reports.. :-)
Gooday John - glad you've enjoyed the videos. My gut reaction when I first got close up the RT/GS 1200's was the same as yours - 'they're massive beasts!'. However I now understand what everyone means that the weight simply disappears once you're moving, even 3 mph. So easy to ride as well, and the fact that they have so many safety aids to stop you skidding and stay upright. Let me know what you decide. I also think when you get to our age, don't you deserve the very best you can afford? Go for it.
Lovely machine tho . I always fancied a BMW or a HARLEY as im getting old now :-)
The BMW is a great bike for an old bloke ;-)
Was comparing the V-Strom to the RT as well. I did love the RT, but here in Canada, the RT (even used) go for approximately $20,000 vs $12k for a brand new Vee. Yes, I ended up putting another $2000 in luggage and crash protection etc.. but still saved a bundle. My only grip is the Goldie Locks Syndrome, the Vee is too large to take into the woods, and a bit too small on the highway w two up and luggage. Sooo yeah, I wish I had bought the either the 650XT or that deal on the RT would have been too sweet to turn down. After only a year, I am putting my Vee up for sale.
That;s interesting John. For me, this was something I'd waited for for many years so that swung it for the RT. They hold their value too, another factor. What will you go for now? Would the GS fit your requirement as you can take it down the trails and its plenty big enough for 2 up?
Some do take the giant GS on single tracks, but they tend to drop them often and takes an army to pick them off the dirt. I would gladly buy the new Honda 450 Dual Sport. Then again, I could also see myself walking out of the showroom with a new GoldWing. If I could afford it, and there was room in my garage I'd have both bikes. Just gotta pass it by the Warden first. Speaking of, how the heck did you get the wife on board??? PS Blame it on your countrymen: Like many riders, I got hooked when I saw Charle and Ewan do the round the world tour on their GS models. That been said, realistically, few really can or do take them off road without a crew at hand.
John LeGresley The Goldwing would be an interesting prospect off road! Geomoto has done a film on that. My wife? Good question. She was a nurse so has seen the downside first hand, but she realised like a lot of blokes we need an interest. I had to promise I wouldn't take the kids on board. She's seen the difference in my general levels of happiness and is now fully supportive.
One other bike, (assuming I try the GoldWing) would be the GTL1600 by BMW. Here in Canada, the bike is actually less then the GoldWing and not that much more then the 1200RT. Did you try that one? and if so, how does it compare to your RT?
well I have followed all the videos. I myself am on my 7th BM. (never owned an RT) Didn't think this would be your choice. A riding friend has an RT. We have toured Europe twice. I cannot keep up with him, when required it can move with some serious speed. Me I ride like you, cautiously, but safely.
Seven BM's is a serious endorsement for the brand Stephen. I suspect I'll never push the envelope on the RT, but staying safely inside its capabilities will be more than enough performance for me. I tried an emergency stop on its first ride, and suspect it's stopping power impresses just as much as its acceleration. Ride safe, and thanks for watching.