1st off, KUDOS on the reviews! Love it!! You’re crushing’ it…I agree on the Vatic Prism Flash. It was my first higher quality paddle that wasn’t off of the $30 Walmart sporting goods section. I have been playing less than a year and most of that time with the Prism Flash in the 14 mm. I love the spin and control & after 6 tournaments 1 gold, 1 silver, 1 bronze, 4th place (no medal that time but close). Recently wanted to go for the Volair Mach 2 Forza until I came across a used Volair 14mm Mach 1 Forza at $79!!! It’s supposed to be in great condition…will see how that goes, it is coming in a few days. I imagine it won’t be long before I also add the Mach 2 Forza from Volair. Thx again!
Thank you for the KUDOS James I appreciate them a lot! That’s a great journey you have had and a lot of success with the prism flash 14mm. Sometimes we just can’t pass up those good deals. I just lent my MF2 16mm to a friend, I think a lot of people would have their game improved by using it.
There are a couple guys who use them where I play but I haven't had the opportunity to hit with them. Theirs are elongated but I've developed an appreciation for the standard shapes. I got the lemon lime one to camouflage the ball when I hit😂
I see the Mark Kinetic paddle when you talked about the Ruby? How does the Mark Kinetic paddle play like and feel like? What are the stats on that paddle.
I enjoy it and it is my next review. It is an honorable mention for best all court. It has more pop and a little more power than the Ruby (some say a lot more but I went and tested again and was getting a small difference). I’ve seen the SW varying a bit and I’m guessing this is due to it being from their first manufacturing run being inconsistent. Long story short it fits the play style of someone that wants to be more aggressive and is ok sacrificing the extra control/sweet spot the Ruby offers. It also comes in at a much lower price.
I'm surprised the mfg haven't released a two paddle kit. 1 for slow balls and one for fast balls. That seems an opportunity for a brand to grab a new category. Sorta like how tennis players have different string set ups. I hope to get credit for this idea when it hits 😊
I think there have been two maybe just one (ProXR) if I remember right had a paddle with a different surface on each side but the sides played too similarly. I know you are talking about two different paddles in this case.
@@AllDriveNoDropPickleball MERCER.... small company start up. Been playing their paddle and liking it. NOT like the LUXX as I was hoping, but still has good features.
Did you ever use any of the engage pro paddles ? I bought a MX pro and I like to know the differences between that and other poppy/power paddles because that thing is super poppy and powerful.
I"m currently playing the Gruvn Muvn 13S. I really enjoy the reach of the 16E and 16X as well, but I've been fighting tendonitis and the 13S is much easier on my elbow than the other two.
Yeah, it is a tough sacrifice on reach with the 13S but wow nothing else quite feels like it how light it feels in your hands and how much pop it can generate.
@@AllDriveNoDropPickleball I also went to a Hesacore grip, which helps on the reach. The design of the grip lets you get a great grip without much pressure. I typically play with my pinkie loose or off the paddle. On several occasions I've let the paddle slide out to where I'm only holding it with two fingers and thumb while reaching for a ball and still get firm control of the paddle.
The PLES is a little softer and more controllable than the Kinetic. Both have good power and pop but the Kinetic has more of both. I think both are the same price last I checked and I enjoy both of them. Kinetic won’t be restocked until mid to late April. Let me know you have any other questions. Spin: so close it is a tie Power: Kinetic by a bit Pop:Kinetic by a bit Sweet spot: PLES Control:PLES
Great questions, I should do an introduction video. Playing with each paddle 10-20 hours over 2 weeks ones from this video a bit more because I have enjoyed them. I like to use paddles over time with whatever I’m making a comparison to in order to describe the differences the best I can. I have a more aggressive play style when I am playing at the top of my game (4.75 DUPR atm) but I have been working on my soft game a lot over the past few months as the journey into the 4.5 and 5.0 realm requires that silky smooth transition game and excellent dinks.
@@AllDriveNoDropPickleball I'm more of a defensive style player, will the 14mm fit my play style? Also what do you think of the Hudef gen 2 as a power paddle?
Great review ! I play with the Black Double Diamond 16mm paddle and like u said it does everything well, but I would like for you to review the LOCO paddle from Bread/Butter great company and I also use the new LOCO and it a lot like the BLACK DOUBLE DIAMOND with better control ! Let me know if you can get this sold out paddle LOCO
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I prefer the extra pop the 14mm gets. The 16mm is a great paddle as well and if you are looking for the best control paddle around with one of the biggest sweet spots then the MF2 16mm is amazing.
That Mach 2 Forza looks like a griddle pan. I’m sure I could cook my opponents and some bacon w it
1st off, KUDOS on the reviews! Love it!! You’re crushing’ it…I agree on the Vatic Prism Flash. It was my first higher quality paddle that wasn’t off of the $30 Walmart sporting goods section. I have been playing less than a year and most of that time with the Prism Flash in the 14 mm. I love the spin and control & after 6 tournaments 1 gold, 1 silver, 1 bronze, 4th place (no medal that time but close). Recently wanted to go for the Volair Mach 2 Forza until I came across a used Volair 14mm Mach 1 Forza at $79!!! It’s supposed to be in great condition…will see how that goes, it is coming in a few days. I imagine it won’t be long before I also add the Mach 2 Forza from Volair. Thx again!
Thank you for the KUDOS James I appreciate them a lot! That’s a great journey you have had and a lot of success with the prism flash 14mm.
Sometimes we just can’t pass up those good deals. I just lent my MF2 16mm to a friend, I think a lot of people would have their game improved by using it.
I got the gruvn muvn 16s from your recommendation and have loved it!!
I got the gruvn muvn 13s and absolutely love. So damn good.
these lower end / less known brands have increased their prices very quickly.
Mach 2 Forza 14 is amazing. I also have the Proton series one standard shape paddle in the mail.
Oh nice, I want to try it let me know what you think. I still haven’t seen one in the wild.
There are a couple guys who use them where I play but I haven't had the opportunity to hit with them. Theirs are elongated but I've developed an appreciation for the standard shapes. I got the lemon lime one to camouflage the ball when I hit😂
@@dominionn09 love it use any advantage you can get 😂
So how is the Proton Series One compared to the Mach 2 now that you have it? Thanks
Realized this was to dominon, but I still haven't seen any protons but they do look interesting just a high price point@@2musiclover534
Can you do a review on the sword and shield j2k paddle? It’s supposed to be 100% Kevlar .
It’s possible. I have a review coming for the J1. I’m interested in the J2k too.
What about Joola paddles? How do you see the new C2 fitting in?
Hey John, Joola is one of the few areas I don’t have a lot of experience with as my last ones were the Perseus and Hyperion.
I see the Mark Kinetic paddle when you talked about the Ruby? How does the Mark Kinetic paddle play like and feel like? What are the stats on that paddle.
I enjoy it and it is my next review. It is an honorable mention for best all court. It has more pop and a little more power than the Ruby (some say a lot more but I went and tested again and was getting a small difference). I’ve seen the SW varying a bit and I’m guessing this is due to it being from their first manufacturing run being inconsistent.
Long story short it fits the play style of someone that wants to be more aggressive and is ok sacrificing the extra control/sweet spot the Ruby offers. It also comes in at a much lower price.
@AllDriveNoDrop_ cannot wait to see the review. I cannot find reviews on it but read reviews about it.
@@youayang4475 I believe pickleball pursuit has one on it right now. Should have mine out next week.
How about the 11six24 Hurache 16 mm control, great price
I haven’t had the opportunity to use one but seems like the reviews have been good.
I'm surprised the mfg haven't released a two paddle kit. 1 for slow balls and one for fast balls. That seems an opportunity for a brand to grab a new category. Sorta like how tennis players have different string set ups. I hope to get credit for this idea when it hits 😊
I think there have been two maybe just one (ProXR) if I remember right had a paddle with a different surface on each side but the sides played too similarly. I know you are talking about two different paddles in this case.
The could call it the “Tortoise and the Hare” pack
How bout the Honalulu Pickleball Paddle Co, Kevlar, or The Mercer Kevlar core.
Haven’t had the chance to use the Honolulu J2K and I haven’t heard of Mercer I’ll check it out.
@@AllDriveNoDropPickleball MERCER.... small company start up. Been playing their paddle and liking it. NOT like the LUXX as I was hoping, but still has good features.
Have you tried a Thrive paddle? Ive been playing Ruby for 3-4 months but feel like spin is decreasing
I haven’t but hope to get the Azul in March. I have heard good things so far.
Did you ever use any of the engage pro paddles ? I bought a MX pro and I like to know the differences between that and other poppy/power paddles because that thing is super poppy and powerful.
Up 2nd to next in my queue I do like it a lot. You are right it is poppy and powerful it hangs with the thermoformed paddles.
I"m currently playing the Gruvn Muvn 13S. I really enjoy the reach of the 16E and 16X as well, but I've been fighting tendonitis and the 13S is much easier on my elbow than the other two.
Yeah, it is a tough sacrifice on reach with the 13S but wow nothing else quite feels like it how light it feels in your hands and how much pop it can generate.
@@AllDriveNoDropPickleball I also went to a Hesacore grip, which helps on the reach. The design of the grip lets you get a great grip without much pressure. I typically play with my pinkie loose or off the paddle. On several occasions I've let the paddle slide out to where I'm only holding it with two fingers and thumb while reaching for a ball and still get firm control of the paddle.
@@nerothe I’ll have to try the Hesacore grip seems like everyone is doing it right now.
What about the mark pickleball kinetic vs the pickleball apes Pro line energy S
The PLES is a little softer and more controllable than the Kinetic. Both have good power and pop but the Kinetic has more of both. I think both are the same price last I checked and I enjoy both of them. Kinetic won’t be restocked until mid to late April. Let me know you have any other questions.
Spin: so close it is a tie
Power: Kinetic by a bit
Pop:Kinetic by a bit
Sweet spot: PLES
Control:PLES
@@karsoncummins9455 It will be more powerful and have more pop than the Halo, I would classify it as an powerful all-court paddle
How long are you play with each paddle? How many hours of are you playing each week? What style of gameplay do you have?
Great questions, I should do an introduction video. Playing with each paddle 10-20 hours over 2 weeks ones from this video a bit more because I have enjoyed them. I like to use paddles over time with whatever I’m making a comparison to in order to describe the differences the best I can.
I have a more aggressive play style when I am playing at the top of my game (4.75 DUPR atm) but I have been working on my soft game a lot over the past few months as the journey into the 4.5 and 5.0 realm requires that silky smooth transition game and excellent dinks.
I've been playing with a neonic, but feel like I need more pop/power. Really want the Mach 2.
Mach 2 Forza 14mm definitely has enough pop and if you add a 3g of lead at 4 and 8 o’clock enough power to get the job done
@@AllDriveNoDropPickleball I'm more of a defensive style player, will the 14mm fit my play style?
Also what do you think of the Hudef gen 2 as a power paddle?
@@DownTownBrown11 If you like to be more defensive and control oriented I would go with the M2F 16mm. Haven’t hit any hudefs enough to recommend them.
@@AllDriveNoDropPickleball which brand is that?
@@DownTownBrown11 Volair Mach 2 Forza 16mm
Great review ! I play with the Black Double Diamond 16mm paddle and like u said it does everything well, but I would like for you to review the LOCO paddle from Bread/Butter great company and I also use the new LOCO and it a lot like the BLACK DOUBLE DIAMOND with better control ! Let me know if you can get this sold out paddle LOCO
Thanks Tony! Well it is your lucky day because the Loco arrives tomorrow so should have the review up in March.
How bout the mark kinetic?
My next review coming out is the Mark Kinetic, enjoy it a lot. More pop than the Ruby by far if you are looking for that
Do you add weight to your dbd?
Yeah, I add 3g at 4 and 8 o’clock. I don’t notice reduced hand speed and it helps stabilize the paddle for me.
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Nothing beats the carbon 3x I have used the others and dont even use my 6.0 double black
I’ve heard good things about. Glad you found the right fit.
Have you tried the Gamma Airbender yet
I haven’t had the opportunity yet.
Why not Pickleball Apes Energy model I love mine it has the best mix of Power and Spin that I have tried so far .
I have the Energy in my top 3 are you talking about the Energy S? That is an excellent paddle as well.
@@AllDriveNoDropPickleball yea I like my Energy better than the S but both are really good Thanks for your reviews
For the best paddle,why 14mm and not 16mm for the Volair mach2
I prefer the extra pop the 14mm gets. The 16mm is a great paddle as well and if you are looking for the best control paddle around with one of the biggest sweet spots then the MF2 16mm is amazing.
Great video! Thanks.
I had bad experience with six zeros customer service. They don’t honor their warranty.
Sorry that happened, good to hear the experience for others.