When you wire the pot off the tile do you pick it off and leave it to dry on a different surface? Or do you leave it on the same tile you threw it on? If so, how well does it come off after dry
Good question Cade. I leave it on the tile. I pry the tile off the clay paddy, then set the tile witht he vessel still on it to the side for a bit. Sometimes I'll wire it right away. Sometimes I'll wait a few hours until i can handle it without leaveing marks or deforming it. Once it's able to be handled i will wire it again (or wire it the first time) and gently take it off the clay bat. Then I flip it upside down to let it dry further. The base will dry slower on the tile than the lip which is more exposed to the air and thinner. Flipping it upside down will allow all that moisture in the base to drain down the walls and into the lip. It' lets the vessel dry more evenly and reduces cracking in the base. Let me know if you have more questions about this. I could do a video on it to show you. I feel like the system I have now works pretty well for me and I rarely have those I have ot discard. I hope that helps! mj
The only reason I am even considering this system over the fiber board system is the water proof fiber board is not readily available everywhere. I don't mind sacrificing a plastic (I made mine from plastic door kick-plates which were available at the time and have served well. I simply roughed the glue surfaces with sandpaper sprayed them with contact adhesive and set them underneath a huge stack of concrete blocks for 8-12 hours, then cut the circles and drilled the pin-holes...no big deal.) Will the clay product separate from the ceramic tile easily or not? Otherwise I will use fiver board (if I can find it).
That sounds like a great system Patrick. I'd love to see it. Can you shoot video of it. I usually wire off the vessel from the clay tile. To get the tile off the clay paddy in this situation I use a small wedge to pry it up. comes off pretty easily. Now i use the tile spinner which is better for me. Thanks for contributing on here Patrick. -mj
I think a matte glazed tile would work fine. I throw on wood bats too that are kind of rough sometime. A matte glazed tile may even be better to get the clay to stick to the tile. Let me know how it goes?
@@OutpostPottery yes they do, and very well! I bought a box of them, and now I want to get a masonite bat and cut out a 6"square in the middle for easy access and centering/recentering of the tiles. Thanks for that idea of using tiles!
I usually get my mug shapes thrown in about 1-3 minutes. Then I pry the bat off the clay paddy/pancake and do another. It is super relaxing for me. I TRY to do about 20 mugs in the morning or so. Doesn't always happen unfortunately. It's my solitude time when I can just chill out with music or silence before the the family circus wakes up :). Thanks Hydra!
Hi Paul. Good question. I don't usually have any trouble getting the clay to stick to the bat. If i get the bat wet before I stick the clay the bat then it can slide but that's true for any bat. When I have problems with this method (with the 6 inch tile method), it usually comes from the underside of the tile bat not sticking to the clay beneath it. If the clay beneath is: 1. too hard. 2. too dry 3. not ridged enough, then the tile will fly around. This happens even though the underside of the tile is rough, not glossy.
This is my Clay Boss. It's the one i use the most. It's my daily use wheel while the others are mainly for classes. It's huge and heavy though so it doesn't make the trip out to the yard for classes :). Thanks Hydra.
Hey Cindy. You can either do it right away - then let it sit and dry a little bit. OR you can wait a few hours, depending on the speed your workspace dries out pottery. I usually wait a couple hours or whenever I can touch the sides without leaving any marks - until the lip and sides are leather hard. Then, I wire it off and flip it upside down to reduce cracking. Sometimes when you let your pots dry right side up, the base will dry slower than the walls and lip and you can get S-cracking in the base. Does that make sense? Sorry - i should make a video to explain this with pictures rather than words ;). Thanks for asking?
Hi Mariann. You can do that, too. I like to put the paddy on a bat so i can remove it when i need to do something else... like trim. I usually remove it and cover it with plastic so i can use it later. Great question! -mj
The entire reason I use bats is so I don’t need patties....and you go on to show how patties work, only to prove their inferiority by having it fly off the Wheelhead. Video is NOT all about bats, it’s mostly about how to use patties. What bat works best for you? This question not even addressed at all. No mention of bat systems with interchangeable inserts, which are super useful, efficient, fast, time saving, easy and ultimately affordable. ....not the best bat video.,
Haha. Your'e right Kevin. Thanks for the input. That was kind of funny that my bat few off. :) I left that in the video because I wanted to show viewers how things can go wrong if you let your paddy get too dry. I think that one was about a week old without me refreshing it / throwing off of it. I suppose if you have the resources to buy a bunch of bats at the store then that is the easiest system. Totally agree there. Regarding interchangeable bat system - throwing off the paddy was actually the next step after experimenting with an interchangeable bat system. The interchangeable systems I saw on Amazon and in clay publications were a little pricier than I could afford. So I 3d printed a jig that clicks into the bat pins and then houses these same tiles. I liked that system but found it cumbersome either getting them out of the jig if it was too tight or 2. the bat wiggled in the jig if i had it a little loose Later, I saw a buddy here in Waco who is doing production pottery with a team and cranking out around 500 wares per day! He was using a similar system to this, I was intrigued. He had guys throwing 60 cylinders an hour... so i started experimenting with this system since i wanted to get into production pottery. Anyhow, I like how you think. Thanks for the input. Shoot us your system so we can see it! I'd love to learn from what youre' doing. Thanks Kevin.
haha. i thought you were going to talk about a bat that flew into the studio.
learning so much on your channel!
Haha! That's funny Treavor. I'm glad you like it!
When you wire the pot off the tile do you pick it off and leave it to dry on a different surface? Or do you leave it on the same tile you threw it on? If so, how well does it come off after dry
Good question Cade. I leave it on the tile. I pry the tile off the clay paddy, then set the tile witht he vessel still on it to the side for a bit. Sometimes I'll wire it right away. Sometimes I'll wait a few hours until i can handle it without leaveing marks or deforming it. Once it's able to be handled i will wire it again (or wire it the first time) and gently take it off the clay bat. Then I flip it upside down to let it dry further. The base will dry slower on the tile than the lip which is more exposed to the air and thinner. Flipping it upside down will allow all that moisture in the base to drain down the walls and into the lip. It' lets the vessel dry more evenly and reduces cracking in the base. Let me know if you have more questions about this. I could do a video on it to show you. I feel like the system I have now works pretty well for me and I rarely have those I have ot discard.
I hope that helps!
mj
The only reason I am even considering this system over the fiber board system is the water proof fiber board is not readily available everywhere. I don't mind sacrificing a plastic (I made mine from plastic door kick-plates which were available at the time and have served well. I simply roughed the glue surfaces with sandpaper sprayed them with contact adhesive and set them underneath a huge stack of concrete blocks for 8-12 hours, then cut the circles and drilled the pin-holes...no big deal.) Will the clay product separate from the ceramic tile easily or not? Otherwise I will use fiver board (if I can find it).
That sounds like a great system Patrick. I'd love to see it. Can you shoot video of it.
I usually wire off the vessel from the clay tile. To get the tile off the clay paddy in this situation I use a small wedge to pry it up. comes off pretty easily. Now i use the tile spinner which is better for me.
Thanks for contributing on here Patrick. -mj
Do you think the matt glazed tiles would work, or do they have to be the glossy glazed tiles?
I think a matte glazed tile would work fine. I throw on wood bats too that are kind of rough sometime. A matte glazed tile may even be better to get the clay to stick to the tile. Let me know how it goes?
@@OutpostPottery yes they do, and very well! I bought a box of them, and now I want to get a masonite bat and cut out a 6"square in the middle for easy access and centering/recentering of the tiles. Thanks for that idea of using tiles!
Pretty sweet process. Do you leave it on the tile til leather?
Nm. Just saw the question answered below.👍🏻
Hi Mr. Jack. yes, i usually wire it off the bat at leather hard . -mj
Do you throw on the glazed side of the tile or the matte side?
Hey Jess. I throw on the glazed side. I put the "grip" side downward against the clay paddy on the wheel head. Good question
how long did it take you to throw that mug? it was sped up but I can't figure out the speed in realtime lol
I usually get my mug shapes thrown in about 1-3 minutes. Then I pry the bat off the clay paddy/pancake and do another. It is super relaxing for me. I TRY to do about 20 mugs in the morning or so. Doesn't always happen unfortunately. It's my solitude time when I can just chill out with music or silence before the the family circus wakes up :). Thanks Hydra!
right
thanks John!
Nice, but the clay doesn't cling very well for so glossy bat (
Hi Paul. Good question. I don't usually have any trouble getting the clay to stick to the bat. If i get the bat wet before I stick the clay the bat then it can slide but that's true for any bat. When I have problems with this method (with the 6 inch tile method), it usually comes from the underside of the tile bat not sticking to the clay beneath it. If the clay beneath is: 1. too hard. 2. too dry 3. not ridged enough, then the tile will fly around. This happens even though the underside of the tile is rough, not glossy.
Your tiles are of a shiny glaze🤔 isnt to slippery for the caly to stick on this tile??
Also, which pottery wheel are you using in this video?
This is my Clay Boss. It's the one i use the most. It's my daily use wheel while the others are mainly for classes. It's huge and heavy though so it doesn't make the trip out to the yard for classes :). Thanks Hydra.
When should you pass the wire under?
Hey Cindy. You can either do it right away - then let it sit and dry a little bit. OR you can wait a few hours, depending on the speed your workspace dries out pottery. I usually wait a couple hours or whenever I can touch the sides without leaving any marks - until the lip and sides are leather hard. Then, I wire it off and flip it upside down to reduce cracking. Sometimes when you let your pots dry right side up, the base will dry slower than the walls and lip and you can get S-cracking in the base. Does that make sense? Sorry - i should make a video to explain this with pictures rather than words ;). Thanks for asking?
@@OutpostPottery thanks for your reply
Hi, why not just put the patty directly on the wheel head ?
Hi Mariann. You can do that, too. I like to put the paddy on a bat so i can remove it when i need to do something else... like trim. I usually remove it and cover it with plastic so i can use it later. Great question! -mj
The entire reason I use bats is so I don’t need patties....and you go on to show how patties work, only to prove their inferiority by having it fly off the Wheelhead.
Video is NOT all about bats, it’s mostly about how to use patties.
What bat works best for you? This question not even addressed at all.
No mention of bat systems with interchangeable inserts, which are super useful, efficient, fast, time saving, easy and ultimately affordable.
....not the best bat video.,
Haha. Your'e right Kevin. Thanks for the input. That was kind of funny that my bat few off. :) I left that in the video because I wanted to show viewers how things can go wrong if you let your paddy get too dry. I think that one was about a week old without me refreshing it / throwing off of it.
I suppose if you have the resources to buy a bunch of bats at the store then that is the easiest system. Totally agree there.
Regarding interchangeable bat system - throwing off the paddy was actually the next step after experimenting with an interchangeable bat system. The interchangeable systems I saw on Amazon and in clay publications were a little pricier than I could afford. So I 3d printed a jig that clicks into the bat pins and then houses these same tiles. I liked that system but found it cumbersome either getting them out of the jig if it was too tight or 2. the bat wiggled in the jig if i had it a little loose
Later, I saw a buddy here in Waco who is doing production pottery with a team and cranking out around 500 wares per day! He was using a similar system to this, I was intrigued. He had guys throwing 60 cylinders an hour... so i started experimenting with this system since i wanted to get into production pottery.
Anyhow, I like how you think. Thanks for the input. Shoot us your system so we can see it! I'd love to learn from what youre' doing.
Thanks Kevin.