X-Men: Fall of the Mutants Event Review! | Krakin' Krakoa
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- In 1988, Marvel Comics' X-Men Universe combined to tell the Fall of the Mutants, a crossover event built around three major devastating separate events spanning the X-Men, X-Factor, and the New Mutants. Fall of the Mutants is the follow-up to Mutant Massacre, and part of the build to 1989's Inferno, with some of the stranger and least discussed ideas and beats from the Chris Claremont era of X-Men.
Today I'll answer:
+ What are the themes of Fall of the Mutants and what impact do they have on the X-Men of today?
+ As the first major Apocalypse story, what does Fall of the Mutants establish about the longtime X-villain?
+ Will we see elements from this stranger era of late period Claremont resurface in modern X-men?
+ Theories and predictions about what Fall of the Mutants means for the Dawn of X!
Spoilers for discussed comics may follow!
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A correction. By 211 Shadowcat was no longer really on the team. In 211 she was mortally injured during the Morlock Massacre. While she appeared in a few more issues in her injured state and often was listed as a supporting character by 215. But soon was taken to Moira's Muir Isle and from that point on despite her face appearing in the 'character roll call box' on cover. 219 was last time her face appeared on the cover like that until years late after she left Excalibur
The X-Factor Fall Of The Mutants story is my favorite. I really dig the Outback X-Men arc as well. Great video as always!
My favorite Fall of Mutants story is X-Men and I ❤ the Oz-Men era!! ✌❤😎
Outback X-Men is the most underrated roster. Dawn of X seeds are here with Master Mold and Nimrod fusion, the power of Otherworld with Betsy Psylocke's Siege Perilous and its resurrection protocol, the cyborg hunter Reavers, the cloning methods of Sinister in Inferno and the introduction of Genosha and its magistrates. Also Outback X-Men introduced emotion to the Brood what would later become Broo and the current story of the species' evolution.
Yes the outback team is top tier
The Outback X-Men were outlaws in spite of being media dead. A wanted poster was issued by the US with Ororo, Anna Marie, Betsy, Logan, Alison, Longshot and Alex. Hickman's X-Men are outlaws like a rogue state that no nation recognizes.
@@KimTheFangirl ... except that most nations recognize them...
@Ted Grizzly Gateway was the best member of the Outback X-Men and he brought Jubilee to the fold.
Great video as always! I agree that this X-Men lineup was great- one of my favorites too! But Shadowcat was off the team after the Mutant Massacre; she hadn't yet recovered from being 'permanently' intangible. Colossus was the 8th member of the team leading into the Australian outback storyline. Really digging the deep dives into the classic events from years past- keep 'em coming!
Yep! Kitty was convalescent on Muir Island along with Kurt and Petey Pureheart! Roma brings in Pete in a rogue play to beat the Adversary. Total 9 souls including: Storm, Dazzler, Rogue, Psylocke, Wolverine, Havok, Longshot, Colossus, and Maddie Pryor!! Technically, Oz-Men consists of 4 boys to 4 girls. My FAVE line up!! ✌❤😎
Doesn’t She get fixed in the original X-men VS FF story?
@@210SAi Yes and no. Her permanent state went from solid to phase and she had to concentrate to become solid...something like that. It's probably been retconned by now though...✌❤😎
Even though this was a ‘crossover’ event the 3 titles pretty much have their own stories all leading to the fall of their respective teams. Other than that each team is pretty independent of each other.
This is when I started reading Uncanny X-Men. Wasn't really into X-Factor or New Mutants.
Just wanted to say bro, you're doing an excellent job! These issues bring back so many memories of when I first started collecting.
The future solicitations of new mutants show warlock by himself and Doug Ramsey isn't around all the other members are though
There was also solicitations showing the vault team in X-men are returning in February
@@bradonbriffa9690 awesome! Can’t wait to see what they’ve experienced and evolved into
@@210SAi I swear if it's like something that just ends in two issues and doesn't attribute to the larger story. I'm going to swim to the U.S. if j have to and knock some Marvel Heads. Also Coats' Black Panther finishes in Feb as well
So Nanny came from The Right?
Great video! 🍺👊🏾🍻
I think Doug Ramsey dies in the next issue of cable I think it's number 7 cable fights bei the blood moon and I think he is going to intervene
Now these were great comics as opposed to the current X of Sword crap!
Apples and oranges
one can't even BEGIN to make a comparison. BUT we must ponder the number of writers involved. These stories felt coherent and logical because they were written by two, three people, whereas the current X of Swords event has, what, seven writers involved? What do people say about too many cooks in a kitchen?
@@210SAi Good apples and rotten oranges.
@@wintherr3527 actually Fall of the Mutants while called a ‘crossover’ is anything but. Each separate title had its own individual story that never crossed over into the other 2 titles stories. Other than each team being defeated/dying off for completely different reasons none of the stories tied together.
@@210SAi I think the stories, while independent, were thematically connected. "Fall" meaning that some abrupt change was going to happen. As it did. But even if it's not a crossover per se like "X of... What Really??", in terms of sheer quality. Fall of the Mutants was totally next level compared to the present day event. The three X-teams of the time were greatly affected, all in their own ways. The original five went back to their old X-Men routine (and with Apocalypse's technology and a badass Warren as plusses)- and thenceforward the "X-Factor" title would really read like an up-to-date version of the early X-Men stories- the "official" X-Men of the time faked death and hid in Australia for a new (and iconic) direction, and even the New Mutants were forced to mature after Doug's death (and as a consequence Magneto gave up his role as a substitute for Xavier for good).
now, what can we conceive as consequences after this "X of...What Really??" event, except that they added some new mythology to the Apocalypse character?? The difference between an event like "Fall of the Mutants" and current events like "X..." is that the old ones had a sense of coherence and consequence, of moving things forward, of establishing new status quo, etc, that nowadays writers take for granted. Ok, I still have some vague expectation Hickman might be a new Claremont. But this thanks to his awesome work in HoX/PoX. The current event reads as little more than fluff to me, cash grabbing at its finest!
Kitty was convalescent on Muir Island along with Kurt and Petey Pureheart! Roma brings in Pete in a rogue play to beat the Adversary. Total 9 souls including: Storm, Dazzler, Rogue, Psylocke, Wolverine, Havok, Longshot, Colossus, and Maddie Pryor!! Technically, Oz-Men consists of 4 boys to 4 girls. My FAVE line up!! ✌❤😎
That was my favorite line up of the X-Men too. I wish Betsy would go back to version of herself. I did like when she wore the armor!
@@timothymoore6341 My fav line up as well! Right I miss the original Betsy. With said armor.
A great video, as usual :)
I know these comics, because I bought them when they came out, but watching your videos, I really appreciate how the Krakoa era allows for all those past characters and stories to mesh together.
Can't wait for your future video about Inferno, X-cutioner's Song, Inferno and so on, to see how the Krakoa era builds on them :)
X-Men was all about change until they dragged them back to the mansion in X-Men 1. You just know that a few years after Hickman someone’s going to do it again.
What’s wrong with that? It’s literally what every major Comicbook title does since the 40s
@@210SAi it’s boring. Claremont never repeated himself until forced.
@@legocitybuilder8652 why would he repeat himself while writing the title? Again that’s pretty much how comics work.
@@210SAi This is what takes me out of comics. I know some people enjoy the constant resets, but I hate it. I went from collecting everything to basically just collecting x -titles and I have definitely given up on them more than once. If they reset after Hickman, and I'm sure they will, I will probably give it up for good.
@* ArtOfJaymz * Yea I get that and I am definitely okay with the rides changing and even providing jump on points. I respect why the resets happen, but they just aren't for me.
I loved The Fall of the Mutants story line....but I HATED that artwork on New Mutants, they all had HUGE heads....Look at Magneto's bobble head noggin at 17:38.....
I liked it, and even now still cant figure out how/why Roma is not a major player?
You mentioned the Daredevil and Hulk issues but not the Power Pack, Captain America, and Fantastic Four issues that crossed over with this? Dude.
Please do a video on the legacy of The X-Tinction Agenda, the story that made Genosha the center of the battle between humans and mutants (with Cameron Hodge leading the human side). It's my favorite storyline from the X-titles, especially from that era (late 80s-early 90s). That story (followed by The Muir Island Saga) helped set up the realignment of the X-teams into the bestselling versions of each title...
I feel like Destiny's power was amped up in 2000s stories. When she first appeared it was mentioned that she saw multiple timelines and not all intersect.
Fall of the mutants is my most wanted marvel OHC reprint.
Quick issue regarding Destiny.
The reason Destiny couldn't see anything but death was because the X-Men really did die; so Destiny was really seeing the truth; it's not that Roma Somehow was blocking Destiny's ability. What I will say though is that when the X-Men was revived by Roma and allowed to be invisible to all electronics; I guess you can say Destiny wasn't able to see them revived; but overall, I don't think the plan for Chris Claremont was to specifically say that Roma was actively blocking Destiny's ability. Now; Roma back then had ungodly amount of power; she basically was at the power level Saturnyne is now so it's not like she couldn't do it if she wanted it.
Apocalypse sure used to smile a lot!
Great recap! Your voice and ability to make the heavy wording of CC smooth is every thing!
One of my fav lineups plus any lineup rogue is on I am game she my fav character 😍😍😉😘😘
I wish she was more significant in Hickman’s run
Plus this leads to my favorite classic story where I have all 3 issues. The re-match with the Brood. All about the Glory Days!
OH you brought back my favorite comic book era thank you so so much
It seems I'm the only one who likes Brett Blevins's art... LOL. That aside, particulary the New Mutants fall of the Mutants storyline is fckn brutal. I re-read it recently and it's by far the darkest and most shocking of all three titles, and that's saying something cause one of them involves the X-men "dying". X-factor ends up on a hopeful high note. But honestly the New Mutants stuff shocked me
This was a very good event soon after Mutant Massacre, and it profoundly altered the lives of all X-Men characters at the time (then divided into X-Men and X-Factor, New Mutants aside). Here we had the first major Apocalypse storyline (as well as the radical new version of Angel [Archangel]), the death of Doug Ramsey (which was the starting point of maturity for the New Mutants and the end of Magneto's career as Xavier's substitute, and also we had the first time ALL X-Men members died for good. Of course they were brought back the same issue (something Marvel repeated with Magneto recently in the 2016 Uncanny X-Men run) but even so this was the beginning of a quite interesting era for the X-Men, hidden in Australia and considered dead by the whole world (including the original five members, then in X-Factor).
This was really a very good time in the mutant universe, maybe because things were way simpler back then (only three books), but mostly, I think, thanks to Claremont's talent in always reinventing the X-Men and always bringing something new to the table.
Amongst the classic X-Men events (Dark Phoenix, Inferno, Mutant Massacre, etc), this ranks easily as one of the best. The only thing I really didn't like was the art in the New Mutants book back then. X-Factor and X-Men were both 10/10 though.
Love this guy
I began collecting -Men around the outback days.
Sounds interesting. Ill put in in my reading queue.
Will They ever bring Ship Back!? Loved X-factor.. I wonder if they will ever bring the powers Archangel Received from the "Raven" storyline! would be cool if it was to come about in X-of Swords.
IIRC, he merged with Prof and became Prosh (and then left the Earth).
This was my very first story line that got me into comics! Nice!
Hey if I'm remembering correctly didn't Logan get Blob off him by stabbing him in the ass? Does anyone else remember this?
Yep!
Too much 2020
For some reason those X-Men issues , give me a Ghostbuster movie vibe event. Very cinematic
Doing God's work Son!!!
19:15 Colossus w the Trek reference
Dave, oh mighty chronicler of comics, Roma always seemed more Regal when clairmont wrote her (from X-Men to Fantastic Four to Excalibur), at what oint and storyline did she transform into a Hedonist as stated in the x of swords event pages? And when did she step aside and let Saturnine take over?
Saturyne cast Roma and Merlin out and took over control of Otherworld
This us an awesome video series
Nice retrospective!
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This has me wondering about Longshot and his current status in Marvel....I know he isn't a Mutant so I'm not surprised of his absence on Krakkoa but last I knew he was still in a relationship with Dazzler who I remember also had a child together....plus idk why I always associate the two but I'm almost positive Agent Zero/ Maverick was a mutant who isn't ,as far as I know, on Krakkoa....Am I remembering correctly
Longshot is a Mojoworld mutant created by Arize in a pod to be the ultimate warrior for Mojo. Longshot and Dazzler had together a son who was aged and split by the Siege Perilous gate into Benjamin Russel and Gaveedra Seven Shatterstar and they became one again. Dazzler was pregnant to him when she went through the gate and her son had this side effect.
Longshot & Domino gonna team up and take out Iska!
@@KimTheFangirl thanks for the update...so that would make him a notable missing mutant from Krakkoa since Brood is included as an alien mutant and I think Warlock as well....you wouldn't happen to any knowledge of Agent Zero/Maverick's current whereabouts and if I was mistaken on his mutant genealogy
@@210SAi I definitely feel like Isca is the Arrokoa version of Domino and don't think the Domino name drop in the previous Marauders issue was by accident though I doubt we see any potential Domino/Isca battles in this event.....and if we would have seen Longshot it seems like a very odd time to just now be seeing since the New Mutants issue, that has them in Mojo world, would have been an ideal time for a Longshot explanation in Hickman's X-Men world
@@shannonmaloney3626 well consider how odd it was for Jubilee and her dragon child to just randomly show up in Otherworld during this event yet she did so as odd as it would be I wouldn’t rule it out completely.
I liked this crossover but I REALLY enjoyed X-Cutioners Song... Can't wait til you go over that crossover
Loved the story but the Storm searching for Forge part just dragged on and on.
They were a couple during this time
@@210SAi I know.
I had to look up this Christopher Yost story line “Nimrod” and just so if anyone else is interested in reading it, it’s actually “New X-Men” (2004), starting @ #28, instead of New Mutants.
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Comic Book Herald if you ever meet Hickman you should recommend this crossover to him so he can see what Real writing looks like. One of my favorite parts of this story is how it demonstrates how powerful Forge's mutant ability is. In his and Storm's time on that virgin planet he goes from stone age technology to solar power in a single year all while trying to figure out how to restore Storm's powers and find a way back to Earth. How could he not be considered on par with Tony Stark or Reed Richards after that?
he probably already read it, if he's the "X-manager" nowadays he must know the team's history, mustn't he?
@@wintherr3527 Considering the way he's used the characters up until now, even taking into account Xavier's and Magneto's knowledge of the future, does it appear to you as if he knows the team's history? For example, it's been known for decades that Cable was supposed to be the second most powerful mutant ever born after Franklin Richards, yet he's not on Hickman's omega level list.
But isn't that Cable no longer around? Kid Cable took him out. Right?
@@larrythomas7452 Yes old Cable was killed by young Cable, but that's just it. Young Cable and old Cable are exactly the same person only separated by age. Last I checked there was no age requirement to be considered Omega level (both Hope and Kid Omega are roughly the same age as kid Cable) so if old Cable was an Omega level mutant shouldn't young Cable be as well? Especially when you consider that baby Cable in the pages of X- Factor V1, at less than a year old demonstrated a nigh-impenetrable telekinetic force field.
@@damianpatterson9363 I could be wrong, but that's an alternative Nathan.
marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Nathan_Summers_(Kid_Cable)_(Earth-616)
The old definition of Omega Mutant no longer applies. And here's something to consider, that list may not be the complete list.