Smith and Wesson model 39 , no dash very early s/n & original box!
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- Early smith and Wesson model 39 with what appears to be pr model features and box. #smithandwesson #9mm #s&w #model39 #1stgen #1stgeneration #ISP #navyseal
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I'm really injoying your s&w videos!!!
Hey thanks, appreciate the kind words.
Dry intresting and well presented , you did your homework , great job!
Thanks.
I’m really falling in love,with the older metal S&W semiautomatics. Your M39 looks great! My wife was picking up a CZ 75 3 weeks ago, and I spotted an unfired 6904 in the case with box and docs. I pulled out $460 as fast as possible. Thanks for sharing! 👍👍👍👍
They really are nice firearms, especially when you can find them in good or great condition. You got a great deal on that 6904! I think there is a bit of a stigma around them given their age and that you can’t find parts, I think that is generally unfounded. 1st Gen seem to have a great nostalgia, history and build quality to them, 2nd Gen seems to fall into a gap at times for me but that may just be b/c my 459 has an off trigger and the 3rd Gen really take the platform to the next level. Nice CZ your wife picked up.
The 6904 came with two magazines, and I was able to find a gun shop selling brand new 12 round mags.
@@frankbutta9344 wow sounds like you’ve got a great connection. Great one to add to the collection, that was my ccw for a while until I moved to my HK P2000sk. Still use the 3913 though…
That is one beautiful 39! Love the first & second Gen 9mms. They don't show up at the gun shows very often. I'm trying to build a nice selection for my collection. So far 39-2, 59, 539, 439, & the .38 Special Model 52 match pistol. Hopefully I'll add a 639 and a nickel 39-2. But, I've never had the nickel version in front of me to attempt a purchase. Great video, thanks!
Thanks i absolutely love the 1st Gen guns. They really are hit or miss out in the market and the pricing can be a bit all over the place as people really don’t seem to know that much about them. I’m not a nickel fan but can certainly respect people who are. Hope you find what you’re looking for to add to the collection.
Very nice gun. I hope to stumble across one of these or the -2 one day! Unfortunately i’m in CA so it’ll be a bit harder to find but I still have hope.
Thanks, I just love them. Walked into a shop that had a NIB 39-2 , hard to believe but looked perfect.
I have always been a firearm enthusiast, and, while I have passed on my small collection to relatives, I still retain my favorite pistol. For Christmas in 1959 my Father presented me with a Smith & Wesson 9 mm Model 39, which I had read about and thought to be the wave of the future. I still possess this pistol and it's in about 92 point condition. Serial number 36421, it has all the features of an early 39 presented in the video with one exception - the top of the grip on the decocker side is notched rather than flat, even thought the decocker itself is clearly the shorter version. BTW, the 39 shoots better than any of my newer model Sig and Colt pistols.
Wow, that’s fantastic, do you still have the original box? The 39 was a great shooter, as is my 59, amazing history with both of them….
A shame it's been ruined with the target sights. You have a 52 for that.
Yeah from a complete original piece standpoint I agree and that’s what I thought , ie trying to make it a 52, or was competing with it…..but then you also never know what someone was involved in and felt they needed it. For me still a really cool piece.
I have s/n 166473, model 39-2.
Excellent, Are you the original owner, how do you like the firearm?
I own 2. A blued 39-2 from around 1981 and a MINT 39-2 / Nickel Plate (unfired in original box). From my research, the 39 was based on the Walther P-38 (later the P-1). Apparently GIs during WW2 were impressed by the DA/SA action and handling of the P-38. During the early days of NATO (late 40s), The U.S. decided to put out the bid for a 9mm semi-auto to comply with the "like ammunition" clause to lessen supply issues during WW3. After it was decided to thumb their nose at NATO re: a 9mm semi-auto and just keep the 1911 (as well as not buy the FN-FAL rifle and develop an American rifle- the M-14). S&W, not wanting to waste their effort and $ developing it, released it for sale in 1955. I believe the main reason 9mm didn't take off very well in 1954-1955 and up into the 70s, was the price and lack of bullet configuration of decent 9mm ammo. Illinois State Police (being the first large agency to adopt the 9mm/Model 39 in 1967), had many issues over the first 10 years with ammunition inadequacy. The Connecticut State Police adopted it in the 70s as well. Early attempts at ammo improvements proved problematic, with exposed lead at/near the tip to provide expansion being the culprit for jamming issues.
Awesome video sir, thanks for showing such a unique 39. I’ve been a fan of the Smith 39’s since the late 1970’s (yeah, I’m old). I bought my first 39-2 back in 1978 or 1979 when they were approved as a personal sidearm. The only real choices back then were the Colt Commander or High Power and Police Chiefs shied away from the cocked & locked image the community saw as cops being too aggressive with the pistol “cocked” in their holster. So the DA action 39’s fit the narrative.
That 39-2 was cutting edge back then since most guys carried a 5 shot J frame off duty. Gonna dust off my old 39-2 and carry it today.
Hey thanks for a great comment! , I just came across a very early 72’ 39-2 that has some 39 transitional parts so will put up a video on that shortly.
The extractor on your early Model 39 is extremely fragile and notorious for breaking.
Yes I’ve read that , I’ve been on the hunt for a replacement or backup but no luck so far so she’s kind of a safe queen now.
Good research, thank!! I have a model 39, with a serial number in the 80000's. All is almost exactly as you describe. I see only 3 differences; 1 the safety /hammer release, is long like de 39-2, (with the cut on the wood grip). 2 . The Beaver tail is flat, also like your A-2, and the "pat pending" engraving is stamped in the middle of the frame, as yours, is in the back, under the extractor, (from what I saw in your video).
Since you have both mod 39 and the 39-2, You can maybe answer this: I read that there may be also a difference in the loading ramp between these two guns, Do you se it?
Thanks again for a great video…
Eric
Hello thanks for the great comment. Yes I did seem to notice a slight difference in the feed ramp between both barrels and it seems to strike me that I recall hearing or reading that as well. Absolutely love the 39 series of pistols from smith.
Excellent video very informative . I have owned many handguns , some I regret selling some I regretted buying but , the S@W 39-2 is one of the best 9 mm in my "Opinion" ever made .
It is an easy carry , point and shoot pistol . I do not know why someone would " Upgrade " the sights. Do not believe you need to do this with this pistol . The 8 round mag. is perfect and provides a slim profile . I appreciate this pistol , will not sell this one and I hope whoever inherits it will also appreciate it .
Thanks, yeah I don’t think we’ll ever know the reason for the sight change / upgrade, perhaps someone competing with it back in the day? Maybe a match to a S&W 52 someone already had or a look alike to a S&W 52?? Given it’s condition I don’t think it was carried much of at all so does have the feel and look of a target or competition gun. I haven’t actually shot it because I don’t think there is anyway to get a hold of the old long extractor as a replacement, I keep and eye out for them, which could be a weak point so right now it’s a collection piece and one of my favorites.
My Illinois State Police issued 39 I have is one of my favorites!
Wow thanks for the comment, I think the ISP marked guns are very sought after indeed. Very cool you have your issued model 39. So that is a 39 and not 39-2?
Loved the video I have a 39-2 passed down from my father , mine is an early 39-2 made in 71 or 72 and its amazing to me the small differences you can find , for example mine doesnt have the detent in the mag well , it has a barrell stamped 9mm ctg and has the full bushing, as well as the hole in the hammer, many features mainly from a 39 . From what I gather in research smith and wesson always used the parts at hand first so being such an early model of the 39-2 it makes sense , and I have owned many handguns in my law enforcment career this one by far is and always will be my favorite.
Wow thanks for a great comment, your 39-2 in that 71-72 era is a perfect example IMO. You’re absolutely correct that smith had a well known habit / reputation of using up spare parts or parts from one version to the next during the cross over to the new model. People comment all the time across all kinds of forums and platforms about the hybrid guns. Seems more prevalent with the semi auto too. Something about the smith 39 / 39-2 guns, just super cool pieces of engineering and history.
Excellent video! Handsome pistols! I, too, prefer the steel frame and wood grips. Too much plastic these days.
Thanks , I love the 39 just something about that firearm….I’m sure it’s the same for other guns to other people but that one just strikes a chord with me.
I'd be cautious about using the decocker. They are known to break and it would be almost impossible to get a short version replacement
I hadn’t heard that, I was a bit more concerned about the extractor but either would be quite difficult if near impossible to locate. It’s become more of a collector/ neat to have firearm.
@@thedailydefender1408 yea I just thought I'd give you the FYI about it. I found it out on my nickel 39-2 and wouldn't want it to happen to your example since locating a short safety would be basically impossible! I sort of cringed as you used the decocker for that reason. Nice rare 39 by the way
No your right and appreciate the tip. After I bought it I quickly came to the conclusion this was going to become a static piece as to the point we’re making , you not going to be able to find these short production run parts…. I’m just thrilled to own a late 50s version with a pre 1957 box. @@chrisstrefling6193
Install the standard rear sight and modify the front sight to match.
I would if I could but they kind a did a number on it to put the front sight on. It’s going to have to stay as is I’m afraid which is still ok with me.
A good gunsmith can mill the sight on the slide and reprofile it to be similar the original front sight@@thedailydefender1408
I inherited my 98 year old grandfather model 39, ss#6085, formerly his state police service pistol. This video was super helpful as I am also having trouble finding a ton of info about them. Mine is in rough shape, but look forward to trying to restore it.
That’s fantastic, was he an IL state trooper? I had read many of them were stamped ISP and are actually quite a collector piece. Fantastic that you have it regardless of condition.
@@thedailydefender1408 actually NYS Trooper
Very nice. Didn’t know they were issued the 39 as well, seems like ISP gets all the press because they adopted it first in 68’ / 69’ but as you’ve noted I’m sure a number of other depts did the same. @@MOsinskie01
Nice. I, too, have my dad’s M39 duty weapon, no dash, with Illinois State Police down the slide. My personal is a 39-2 that looks brand new. Th3 original owner advised he purchased new and only shot it a few times.
.. I bought a Mid 39 51 years ago through the Illesheim Rod and Gun club..I wanted P38 but was talked out of it by the club manager..IIRC I paid less than $150...
That’s fantastic!
I enjoyed your video comparing the 39 to the 39-2. It could be because I'm biased. I have a 39-2 bought new over forty years ago.
Thanks one of my favorite pistols and smith and Wesson’s. That’s fantastic that you’ve had one for over 40 years as the original owner!
Yes, and I'm also the original owner of a model 27
6 inch. 45+years. Unfortunately, I destroyed both original boxes. 😢
I think we’ve all done that with boxes original wood grips, etc….just didn’t think about the future value or collectibility, I think many us were just thinking of them as tools back in the day. @@johnmigliore79
I know it's been a while. But I just took the 39 out today, and I noticed something I hadn't noticed before. It has a mag disconnect.
Yep they all did, unless there was an LEO specification not to have that feature but it was actual liked by many including the IL state police. Some believe it still should be an option for LEO but I think overall it’s a past gone concept. Although I was just in a shop looking at an Sig p229 CA compliant and it has it. I think you could make a couple decent arguments either way, certainly a very easy way to render your pistol safe but ready to go by simply removing the magazine. @@johnmigliore79