@@mattirealm Persimmon Cakes 柿饼 (shì bǐng) While waiting for midnight on New Year’s Eve, many will snack on some persimmon cakes. Fruits are always an auspicious treat. Persimmons (柿子-shì zǐ) represent the phrase “everything goes according to your wishes” (事事如意-shì shì rú yì) because of the pun for the word “shì.” There was also a king named Zubing (祖丙-zǔ bǐng) who was well loved by his people. After his death, the people chose lunar December 5 as the memorial day. Persimmon cakes were used as offerings because the name sounds similar to 思丙 (sī bǐng)-to commemorate Zubing. Chinese New Year drying persimmons To be made into cakes, persimmons must be skinned, dried, flattened and frosted. Farmers believe that cakes made when real frost appears have the best taste. If dried further, they become dried persimmons (a boring name) and the white powder that forms is called “persimmon frost.” Chinese New Year dried persimmon cakes The color may not be the most appealing, but you won’t be able to stop eating them. But be careful! Eating too many persimmons can cause stomachaches.
thats a test in very cold circumstances. Almost perfect circumstances. there will be a dramatic change when sun is burning hot and the air above the autobahn over 30 degrees. that would be worth a test too, to see the difference.
Ibiza Calling the Autobahn isn't free during the day making such a test impossible. So your comment is kind of pointless because the car will never be driven like that in the conditions you described.
@@zekol1238 I have driven autobahn on sunny hot day with my motorcycle at the speed of 230km/h for 40mins.The traffic wasn't that bad. This was done on 2 week trip around germany/surrounding countries. Most of the days there was possibilities for that speed but after all it isn't so fun for longer periods and the gasoline consumption is horrific.
I did the same a few days ago coming back home through Germany with the P100D. Drive 190-200kph for over half an hour between Munich and didn't get any dotted line whatsoever. No reduction in power, but the fans were blowing like crazy. They were so loud that I could even hear them inside while driving 200kph :-o. But it seems the Model S or P100D has better cooling capacity to avoid the battery overheating. :-)
The Model S is a lower sleeker vehicle which makes a huge difference at higher speeds. Better aero means less power is needed, thus less heat issues with the battery
I've been pulled for doing 40 in a 35 zone a few feet before a 50 mph sign. The cop lectured me on how I must reach the speed limit sign before beginning to accelerate and gave me a written warning.
I think the heating issue came not (only) because of the heat. The less power your battery has left the more heat it will produce to give you the power you need. It's a interplay of electric current and voltage. I am not sure but at low state of power (of the battery) the voltage of the battery is also lower. So it has to increase the electric current to get the power you want. But THAT increases also the heat of the Battery. So NOT the speed is the problem. It's the battery that is running out of juice. With a 1000 kWh Battery you could drive also 3 hours at that speed. ;) So it's a physical Problem.
You're right. At high SoC, the voltage is around 400 V. But at low SoC, it drops to about 330 V. So the current much be much higher to sustain ~100 kW output.
Also the internal resistance increases in the battery as the SoC drops so you end up with a even higher heat loss due to both increased current and increased resistance.
Magnus: Indeed this account for most of the loses in the battery (there are plenty of others loses giving up heat). The Bat Vout drops BECAUSE of the internal resistance and current through it. Worse, the internal resistance increases with T° and may lead to runaway if the ECU keeps asking for the required current to keep up with the speed requested and that will trigger the protection, if not, you get a fire. Also the problem with LiIon is battery is that its Vinternal decreases with its charge level. Full details here: www.red.pe.org.pl/articles/2012/7b/40.pdf A higher capacity battery based on the same elements has a lower Ri. Just more mass to move around and more losses too !! Only supercaps have a very low Ri that would alleviate these problems at the current level required by a car. Other battery technology will too. Musk is using old tech LiIon. . Same issue for charging. Fast charging means lot of losses and battery degradation. Fact is, due all their limitation, current EVs cars should be sold for less than 10k USD, less gadget, less weight, 200km range, 6KVA required to charge in less than 6h. Currently they are overpriced, oversophisticated expensive battery packs on wheels of limited practicably just suitable for a very few real users but mostly for wealthy pseudo ecowarriors who see themselves as a smart elite. To pick their money is fine, just that the real working man has to be careful. So far the only real effective battery vehicle is the electric bike, a real eco hybrid too.
Ironically, the Tesla naysayers seem mostly to be Americans and not Germans even the Tesla cars are made in America and American roads are quite ideal for the Tesla cars due to speed limits and lots of super charging stations.
@@MindzEnt People are always difficult to accept a major change. I love engines the thought of them being obsolete soon saddens me. Nothing beats the sound of a supercharged V8. However in the near future I do plan on adding a Tesla to my fleet. The performance is simply unmatched and so much more efficient.
Try 200km/h at sunny day with 30 degrees celsius ambient temp, to see if the battery and power electronics of Tesla can hold on such load. :D I think will have heat issues, at high loads for longer time.
It seems like the power limitation towards the end was due to drop of voltage. At high SoC, the voltage is around 400 V. At low SoC, the voltage is 330 V. That means the current much be much higher in order to output ~100 kW. And higher current introduces more heat.
So, from 367 km estimated distance, you were only able to do about 100 km distance before overheating and your battery draining down to 14%, from travelling at 200 kph for ~30 mins
The amount drag to velocity is a square relation. So for example double the speed and the amount of drag will more than double. Cars moving at higher speed will be very inefficient.
So that's why diesels are more popular in Germany. You can do hundreds of km's with a full tank of diesel at 200km/h. Last month I even did 340km of range with 60l of gas (X5 40e) at 181 km/h average, a big diesel would do better. The low range at high speeds scares me a bit.
And now it's getting banned all over the country. City by city... I have a Diesel lying at the garage. I'm trying to sell it for half the price of what it's worth. Can't manage it. Practically they killed 2nd. hand diesel market in Germany. And the government is doing nothing about it.
Diesel is wonderous stuff if you want to travel long distance at high speed. In Germany i normally cruise 180-200 kmh with a bmw 18D engine. Fuel stop every 700 km (if you even get to that..), you spend 5 minutes filling up and you're good again. EV's cannot live up to the autobahn efficiency of diesels, not yet anyway.... And thats why you see hardly any Tesla's in Germany compared to fi the Netherlands. They are NOT practical for long distance drivers.
Yeah, long distance has always been the problem with EV. Although it's a lot better these days. Since EVs are getting popular, the future next 10 years of technology advances will probably make long distance driving a lot better.
Yes but while you spend 400€/500€ a year of maintenance in a diesel car. You spend 0€ in an eletric vehicle, well probably the tires and the brakes every 3/4 years
MRT probably could even go a little faster than that what with the better aerodynamics, more efficient motors, and Bette battery cooling. Like 1300 miles at 30-35 mph
Do you know if this was in stop and go traffic in the city? I've yet to see a demo TEST where someone sees how much mileage they can get driving around a local area with 25 to 35 MPH speed limits.
@ shaddyhacker It has 3 lanes with unlimited speed for a long stretch. This make it very unlikely that you have to slow down because of other cars overtaking each other. Often trucks with a tiny difference on the speed limiter can spend a looong time overtaking each other. Could easily be very frustrating to do a test like this in a 2 lane autobahn.
i don't know what car you have, but I drive my maserati ghibli more than 300 km at 200 km/h and it could make 285 km/h. especially at 200 km/h my maserati draws like 10 liter / 100km in 8th gear and it is very silent if you are not in sport mode... what car do you have and how big is your gas tank and how high is your consumption at 150km/h?
it takes 1/4 of my tank from marrakesh to agadir on my 2007 ford focus 2.0 on a constent speed of 120-180 and sometimes up to 220km/h and the road is all hills
The rule is based on traffic volume. If you are lonely on the autobahn at night to half 3 and the right lane is by trucks in poor condition, only a sheep runs true to rule over the right lane.
Technically it's based on traffic volume, but in a sense that you are only allowed to drive on the middle or left lane when there is a slower driving vehicle in sight on the right/middle lane.
Yeah, but nobody in Norway drives in the right hand lane. Even if there were 17 lanes, most Norwegians would still only drive in the left two. So. Annoying.
6:44 what a progressive country. Wind turbines blinking on the RHS, EVs on the roads and no speed limits. If only Australia was as forward thinking as Europe.
There is a "rule" in germany that dont got a translation word in english. It is mean "Rechtsfahrgebot". Translated it means the obligation to drive on the right.
I know about the rule. But this time I partly broke it because it looked cooler in the video to drive in the middle lane. And this was 3 am at night. I was not in the way for anyone. The rule mentioned that you can not be in the way of anyone.
Bjørn Nyland You did fine, Bjorn. I think no one was blocked at any time. I guess we Germans always need to mention the "Rechtsfahrgebot" on every youtube-video because we are all smartasses. ;-)
If he stays in the middle lane going 200 and I come up going 240 in the right lane. I've to change two lanes to overtake him. That's why the "Rechtsfahrgebot" is so important
Trying to prove that Tesla will not overheat at almost freezing temperature outside is not so convincing. You should retry this during summer at ~ 30C / 86F. I am 100% sure that there will be different result ...
Keep in mind that the air is more dense at lower temperatures. At 30°C, there might be less overheat. Air resistance might be a lot more significant than ambient temperature. We don't know until someone tests it.
I agree that air density is changing by temperature, humidity and pressure but impact of change is small. Generally you can omit it from calculation unless you are traveling like from 0 meters above sea level to something like 2000 m above sea. Also denser air mean you have much more particles to transfer heat away from car. Impact from ambient temperature level is much significant. All components that convert energy generate also some excess heat. This is because conversion is not 100% efficient and some of the energy will end up as heat on components. This heat needs to be dissipated to surrounding area otherwise components may overheat and fail. There will be lot of heat generated inside battery pack, power distribution unit (inverter?) and electric motor. This excess heat will dissipate to air only if temperature of heat-sink / components is higher than ambient temperature. Generally speaking you need some difference to overcome thermal resistance of system. Just a example. If component that needs 25C difference to overcome thermal resistance then it will be 25C above ambient temperature. If we test it at 5C ambient temperature then component will operate at 30C. If we test this at 30C then component will have temperature around 55C which is much higher + during summer you get also lot of thermal energy just from asphalt irradiating it to car. Somebody should test it it but it will be better to not provide claims unless test condition are correct (summer, day time, ~ 30C) ... generally you don't see overheated gasoline cars on side of road during winter ... but when you travel during summer things are much more different ... and I expect difference also on EV.
+Names ... 8% is like 8 - 12 W difference. This is comparable to light bulb in glove compartment and it will make no difference in overall heat dissipation ...
Please Björn. Use the Metric system . Let the 3 nations on earth that dont have it do the math. We are at least 6 billion people that use the metric system.
Funkywallot Your side of the pond would be in shambles were it not for the most important nation using the Imperial System, which, by the way, makes so much more sense then your Metric.
@@reapz3621 excuse me the Imperial system makes more sense than the metric system? Metric: Miligrams in a gram: 1000 Grams in a kilogram: 1000 kilograms in a tonne: 1000 Imerial Ounces in a pound: 16 Punds in a US ton: 2000 That is what i got from google okay what? In the metric system we have a steady 1000
Thanks Bjørn for that nice and informative video. Most ICE drivers aren't quite aware how much more energy is consumed by going so fast. Driving an EV, you get much more sensitive to things like that. As a side effect, your video shows that at high speeds like 200km/h, the perceived average speed on public roads is always higher than the real average speed. Looking at the speedometer, you think you are going at 200km/h for an hour, but every second you spend parking, waiting at stop lights, accelerating, decelerating etc. is counting against that, so in the end you consume lots of energy but you're actually not travelling as fast as you might expect. At lower speeds, this effect is less pronounced. In Germany, we have lots of road works and the general rule is that there is a speed limit of either 80km/h or 60km/h in the construction area, depending on the setup of the diversions and lane narrowing. If you go at 100km/h these things hardly slow you down, but if you're going at 200km/h, you will always have to hit the brakes very hard as soon as you see the "road works" sign, and then punch it equally hard afterwards to get back to your traveling speed. In the end, you really aren't that much faster...
Mirko, ICE drivers pay the price on the pump for going fast so they are aware of it however they are willing to cover the extra cost for the marginal travel time reduction and adrenaline rush. Now if the tank on an ICE would only last 100 km at very high speeds and refueling would take 45-60 minutes after about each 30 minutes of driving then the ICE drivers would be highly likely to slow down as well because it will get them to their destination faster provided the destination is over 100 km away.
I really appreciate the german attitude to the cars, i once bought a mercedes A class in Germany and was impressed by their professionalism and no wonder why they make the best cars in the world.
One thing to note, that people often forget about, is that the laws of physics are kind of the same for EV and ICE as well. I normally cruise 130-140kmh with my ICE on highways and there is about 1-1,5L/100km difference between the 90kmh country road fuel consumption and the 130-140khm highway. Have driven in Germany last year and tested the top speed of my car @190kmh and it was guzzling fuel like a bad drunk. Can't recall the exact figures but it was around a little less than double of my normal highway consumption as far as I recall. PS: I drive a Renault Megane which has a 1.6L 16v engine with 115HP.
A lot depends on the engine. I drove a 300 km trip in germany with a 1.6 ltr gasoline Mercedes A class and it used around 11 l/100km. Second generation or so, its been a while. On the trip back i had a BMW 530D and it not only drove faster (250 km/h vs. around 190), it used less fuel doing so, quite a lot actually. Bigger engine which was basically limited way below its maximum speed versus a small engine at its limit has a huge influence on fuel consumption. And yes, of course you will use a lot more fuel going faster in cars, not so in planes.
Soordhin The rules of physics don't change when you're flying a plane. I'm a pilot, and we quite often have to throttle back to meet our destination with the efficiency required and the fuel allotted. An aircraft has drag, just like a car. At any given altitude, the drag increases with speed, which requires more thrust to compensate for it.
That may be true, but my point was about the difference between 90kmh, 130 and 190/200 on the same car. I bet that 530D shows a similar increase in fuel consumption relative to itself. Above 150kmh is "fun" when you visit Germany and can test your car without fear of getting a check, but it is not too practical in terms of fuel economy.
Well, below a certain point it increases again, which is the difference i was driving at. In a 737-800 on a 2000NM sector at around CI 10 you will use around the same fuel as on long range cruise, but you will be 15 to 20 minutes slower. No harm in increasing speed in that range. Going even slower will increase the fuel burn.
Running 200 KPH for 6 hours, (one stop for gas 5 minutes) Las Vegas to San Francisco, and back many times in a Escort GT never a problem with anything but traffic. When EV's can climb mountains and run high speeds for hours instead of minutes and cost next to nothing you might be on to something.
my smart cdi can go ~600km @140km/h with 30 liters of diesel fuel, so ~5l/100km @140km/h Still i preordered a Model 3 :) obviously not a better TCO on the Tesla is expected...
Air Vibes Das Rechtsfahrgebot kommt selbstverständlich zur Anwendung. Genauso die Verpflichtung zur Verwendung des Fernlichts außerhalb von Ortschaften.
Late answer, but just got this video in my recommendation. :) It depends. For example, if you take bank robbers, they often use multiple cars in their run away. A Tesla would be almost ultimate as the first car, which they then quickly get rid of. It is quiet and very fast, so no one hears where they are going.
Proven: Model X can do what iPace and eTron will be able to: Hammer those car's top speed of 200 km/h till battery's empty. With cw ≈ 0.28 those won't make 100 km though. Going 180 km/h - EQC's top speed - Model X will also keep up easily. And - there still is Model S. On the market for 6 years. With even further range at these speeds. And real efficient Model 3 to come.
Could it simply be limiting you simply because of how fast you are going when the battery is low? I mean it was a cool night and as soon as you slowed down the limit went away fairly fast. It would be nice if Tesla could let us nerds know what the pack and motor temps are.
thanks for the video. I am pleased that the Tesla looks like it is only going 50mph when it is going 2.5 times that. In California there are a few places where you can drive that fast and in fact if you DON'T drive that fast you'll be pushed off the road (Palm Springs, for example.) Cant wait to get my Mod 3 so I can roughly duplicate your demonstration here. Surprised the battery depletes in that short a distance.
If you subtract the wait time at the traffic lights it is more like 181 km/h. If you consider the round trip average speed from the first traffic light it is 107.9 km/ 35 minutes or about 185 km/h.
lol you do it here in Australia and cops would be like "You will kill the whole country with that much speed" and all that lecture and rude behavior. Also, best case scenario, 2 year license suspension and car seized for 30 days and obviously some couple of grands of fine. DO REMEMBER it's the best case scenario :D
Thanks! Also, I noticed that you have a digital clock on the bottom right of your instrument display. How come I don't remember seeing this on my car? Is this a setting?
A supercharger from Efacec "Portuguese company", tested in Germany Fast Charge network, has the new system of recharging electric batteries. Increase the autonomy of a Porsche Taycan by 100 km in just three minutes. The Taycan, expected to be able to load at 350 kW, reached 400 kW at the Efacec service to FastCharge.
Bjørn did you ever try to get the lowest Wh/km in your P90DL during normal driving but with "eco driving"? I'm wondering what numbers Model X can get. I'm thinking of buying Tesla 100kWh but I don't know which to order S or X...both of them are amazing, S is limo X is suv but 6 seats in X is big pros for me but what about a range... Maybe, when you have time, can you record small video with your opinion about which car will be better in which way? Till now I only try S70D and I get 163Wh/km so it was good result imo. In Poland as you know we need good range but maybe 100kWh battery is now the solution no matter if it is X or S?
I don't know how but I missed the long version of your compare video earlier. So after couple of months after your X delivery are you happy owner of X or are you thinking about S as next car ;)? Cheers
Bjorn, that was great! I don't think I would try this with my model S85D but it's good to know you can. I notice the outside temp was 5C and air density has something to do with that consumption. On the other hand, that also helped you keep cool so it's a toss up! Great report!
Thanks for the Tesla simulator. I've never had the opportunity to drive one. There are still a few downsides to electric over petrol but the electric car era has barely even begun. There are so many massive improvements to come. It's exciting. I love technology and gadgets so much I think I'm probably just sick.
In 1985 I bought a new Saab 900T, 2 door, admiral blue. The 1st week I owned it I drove from Bad Kreuznach Germany to Munich for lunch and back home in under 6 hours, and it was a relaxed high carb lunch. The Autobahn was fun to drive, you could hook up with someone and drive together for hours as fast as the conditions allowed. But you always kept your eye on the rear view mirror. I could get to about 127 mph, hit the cruise control and it would set and drop down to 123 and stay right there, drive for hours like a Swiss watch, like a Swedish car.
With current technology, the battery powered vehicle is for city driving and not for fast long-haul commuting. Based on that, the hybrid car makes perfect sense. The only issue is that the battery size of a hybrid is way too small due to weight limitations when carrying both engine with fuel and the electric powertrain. Can't wait until we replace the batteries with some sort of fuel cell so that we can produce electricity on board instead of storing it. Probably the only way to go fully electric. Either way, thanks for your great informative videos. Keep 'em coming! :)
heat is produced by the current flowing. If you are averaging 100kw output, at full battery voltage you have less current than when you have 15%. It makes quite a difference
I think what people mean is not that it cannot drive at 125mph over distance ... but rather driving at 100% throttle for 50% of the time (as on a track). So basically you get about 100mile range doing 125mph? So you need to re-charge every 48min. Charging to 80% mean 80 mile range re-charging 38min. For sure the weak point with EV. My car does 25mpg @ 125mph (32mph @ 85mph), meaning one fillup every 400miles (or one fillup every 3h15m). I was surprised that it's the heat that was killing the efficiency, I though it was more due to the efficiency of the motors are falling off as speed increases (and torque drops). BTW: Love that you are so honest and scientific about your tests, understanding the pro and con, and not just being the run of the mill fanboy (I find that people owning said cars are never that fan-ish ...). 53% -> 48% happened very very fast.
Model S or 3 would make more kilometres at 200kph as their aerodynamics are far better than the Model X. Maybe even battery overheating would be lower due to the lower consumption
If you drive 200km/h and expect to achieve max. range, the problem is in your thinking, not in Tesla. It's the same with every car. More power requires more energy...
Daniel Murray Expertly & smartly driven... oh! I also would say that he could read the road ahead rather well, and being smart about it is key. I wish many more drivers would do this in other places, but not always the case.
i wonder what the oil lobby boys will come up with now. The interior again? I'll give them a tip, wind and tyre noise, ice cars don't have any of that at this speed, right? 😂
Model S/X are more expensive because of the new battery technology. Tesla created as such a new "Technology" car segment which you then compare to the "Luxury" segment. I still think that doing that is disingenuous, no matter how many times it gets repeated.
My model X is pretty sturdy, in fact much stronger than comparable steel cars. And it drives on 100% renewable energy, both from our own panels as well as from our electricity provider. Saying otherwise is just FUD really.
Love Teslas but they need to seriously improve their cabin quality and quietness. At highway speeds the car's interior is too loud. Also Tesla's reliability and service center speed is definitely not a high point.
Isn't there law in Germany that driver must be able to stop the vehicle within a distance he/she can see to be clear? You cannot stop that car in area which head lights lit up while driving so fast.
you are wrong. StVO §3 last sentence: "Er darf nur so schnell fahren, daß er innerhalb der übersehbaren Strecke halten kann. Auf Fahrbahnen, die so schmal sind, daß dort entgegenkommende Fahrzeuge gefährdet werden könnten, muß er jedoch so langsam fahren, daß er mindestens innerhalb der Hälfte der übersehbaren Strecke halten kann." Yes there is a law who say, you have to stop within the distance you can see.
Come to a full stop in the middle of the highway withing your line of sight. Through bends uphill's blindspots... Have you ever driven on a highway mate?
German car manufacturers care for the wind thing because alot of the Germans that drive more expensive cars drive at 200km/h But Tesla is in 'Murica and they can sometimes go up to 120km/h but mostly they drive 90km/h They don't need this.
Bjørn, have you filmed the road view using your camcorder or the second phone? If it was the camcorder: I recommend you to set the focus to manual and "distant". If it was the phone, maybe a different recording app would help, to set the focus to manual. At some places, the autofocus did weird focussing to the windscreen. However, nice video anyway. :-)
have lots of gas money, take any v8 with cruise control - just push it to 250kmh for 400km or so, refill at autobahn gas station, repeat as often as u want. Electric cars must improve to beat that.
Very nice test! Really useful, since this type of test is not performed by the car manufacturers. Even though the fuel consumption for ICE cars is also given during really slow driving tests (for example "highway driving" usually means speeds of like 80-100 km/h), you know that when you buy a car and usually there is no other things to worry about. But for a car like this you have to take into count for example the heat issues. People who don't like electric cars will of course use that as an argument and exaggerate the problems - but even for us who like electric cars and even likes to drive fast it's really nice to see what a car like this can handle.
Ride84XL the thing is that the ambient temperature here is 4°C and theres no sun try going 200km/h in 40°C with the sun shining for that distance sure youll not overheat or anything like that thats why i like ice cars more
He used about 55 kWh of energy in this video. This costs about 10L of oil to produce. This is something that people seem to forget. Driving around in a tesla with normal KM in one year (so 20,000 per year) takes the energy of 3 households. (8000 kWh)
I mean if you wanted to show that it doesnt overheat when you drive fast try to do this in 20degreess in sun, not at night with almost freezeing temperature at ground
that is a cool test. I live in a rural area in america that challenged me to back my words.. 100 miles an hour, for a whole hour. So I did.. and never shared it. It is the future to be going faster. I look forward to electric outcomes. I have a v8 singing at low rpm.. 21mpg.
Try that in Australia on a 45C day, I guarantee it will overheat within minutes and you will roll to a stop on the side of the road until it cools down just like any other car that tries that stunt over here
I think the argument is not about cruising at a constant (high speed) but the rapid accell and decell that is needed in spirited driving around a track or up and down mountains and through switchbacks. There is more energy used this way in higher peak burst and often with less than perfect air flow for cooling. A better test is to try this say up the stilveo pass or through a twisty b road.
nice testing, but i see you had an outside temperature of 4-5°C so i would love to see you redoing this test in summer when there are outside temperatures of 25+°C, would be very interested in overheating differences. Thank you.
Even in Germany you DO have a speed restriction: You can only drive so fast that you can stop in the distance you can see. That isn't more than 100m with normal lights. Which means you're actually not allowed to drive faster than around 80-100 km/h, even at the Autobahn. Trust me, I'm German. And an engineer ;)
Jemand when you outdrive your car at night nobody, not even the police would care a shit. I dont have to be an engineer to tell you that the things u said are totally irrelevant because nobody would be there to control that law. Bin schon oft genug nachts mit 200 an der polizei vorbei ohne die sicht auch nur annähernd zu haben. Hat man mich rausgezogen? Natürlich nicht..... absoluter schwachsinn den du da redest
This car works for countries with speed limits. In Germany it fails. After 95 km (35min) due to power reduction speed is going down as battery level is very low. I live in Bavaria, where a distance of a hundred km is nothing. It's not true, that driving 200km/h or more is not possible at daytime. If i would drive right now (at 6.00 pm ) on the A9, A92 or A93 i could easily reach 250km/h or more for a short time. 180-200km/h without interruption is possible for ten minutes or more.
As battery voltage go down you'll need more amps from the batteries leading to increased joule effect, should have no effect on the engine stators. But I wonder what is the sustained speed in summer at 35C, not when outside is 5C.
Play the video at 2× speed. That is what 400km/h looks like boiz.
haha
Nice
Thats roadster speed lol
The Problem is trucks are driving around 160km/h too... but looking at the street and stuff, it looks really fun ;D
Play at 0.25x speed. That's what 50km/h looks like. :D
I gotta say he sounds like a airplane captain thats making an announcement
haha true
"cruising at 200km/h" lol
Altis Best he sounds better than united airlines
@@mattirealm Persimmon Cakes 柿饼 (shì bǐng)
While waiting for midnight on New Year’s Eve, many will snack on some persimmon cakes. Fruits are always an auspicious treat. Persimmons (柿子-shì zǐ) represent the phrase “everything goes according to your wishes” (事事如意-shì shì rú yì) because of the pun for the word “shì.”
There was also a king named Zubing (祖丙-zǔ bǐng) who was well loved by his people. After his death, the people chose lunar December 5 as the memorial day. Persimmon cakes were used as offerings because the name sounds similar to 思丙 (sī bǐng)-to commemorate Zubing.
Chinese New Year drying persimmons
To be made into cakes, persimmons must be skinned, dried, flattened and frosted.
Farmers believe that cakes made when real frost appears have the best taste. If dried further, they become dried persimmons (a boring name) and the white powder that forms is called “persimmon frost.”
Chinese New Year dried persimmon cakes
The color may not be the most appealing, but you won’t be able to stop eating them. But be careful! Eating too many persimmons can cause stomachaches.
He sounds more like E.T. or gizmo with a weird cough.
I've just watched the whole thing. What is wrong with me !?
Nokturn6
Nothing is wrong!
😂😂
Ahahahaha
Jump to 31:50 for the result.
You want a tesla and drive fast. This is what satisfies you
machelvet A bit too late for that buddy. Lol 😂
thats a test in very cold circumstances. Almost perfect circumstances. there will be a dramatic change when sun is burning hot and the air above the autobahn over 30 degrees. that would be worth a test too, to see the difference.
Ibiza Calling the Autobahn isn't free during the day making such a test impossible.
So your comment is kind of pointless because the car will never be driven like that in the conditions you described.
Maybe not over 250 (driving the Tesla faster than 230 is very bad for it anyways) for more than 10 Minutes but 200 is very possible.
I am just curious, what adverse effects will it have on the Tesla to drive it faster than 230?
@@zekol1238 I have driven autobahn on sunny hot day with my motorcycle at the speed of 230km/h for 40mins.The traffic wasn't that bad. This was done on 2 week trip around germany/surrounding countries. Most of the days there was possibilities for that speed but after all it isn't so fun for longer periods and the gasoline consumption is horrific.
@@zekol1238 it is possible
I did the same a few days ago coming back home through Germany with the P100D. Drive 190-200kph for over half an hour between Munich and didn't get any dotted line whatsoever. No reduction in power, but the fans were blowing like crazy. They were so loud that I could even hear them inside while driving 200kph :-o.
But it seems the Model S or P100D has better cooling capacity to avoid the battery overheating. :-)
The Model S is a lower sleeker vehicle which makes a huge difference at higher speeds.
Better aero means less power is needed, thus less heat issues with the battery
in america, if you hold 125 miles an hour for 60 mi, you would get a ticket so damn fast
Camron Gray the road he is on has no speed limit but he would run out of battery very fast if he went faster
I've been pulled for doing 40 in a 35 zone a few feet before a 50 mph sign. The cop lectured me on how I must reach the speed limit sign before beginning to accelerate and gave me a written warning.
Coyote The Gamer Same in New Jersey 😁
You can't drive as fast as you want in the land of unlimited freedom? Hm … Let's make America great again!
Here in Virginia it would probably get you arrested
I think the heating issue came not (only) because of the heat. The less power your battery has left the more heat it will produce to give you the power you need.
It's a interplay of electric current and voltage. I am not sure but at low state of power (of the battery) the voltage of the battery is also lower. So it has to increase the electric current to get the power you want. But THAT increases also the heat of the Battery. So NOT the speed is the problem. It's the battery that is running out of juice. With a 1000 kWh Battery you could drive also 3 hours at that speed. ;)
So it's a physical Problem.
You're right. At high SoC, the voltage is around 400 V. But at low SoC, it drops to about 330 V. So the current much be much higher to sustain ~100 kW output.
Also the internal resistance increases in the battery as the SoC drops so you end up with a even higher heat loss due to both increased current and increased resistance.
Miro: If you are an engineer, eat your degree, if not, just shut up ! Such a confused explanation is unbearable.
No need to be insulting...
Magnus: Indeed this account for most of the loses in the battery (there are plenty of others loses giving up heat). The Bat Vout drops BECAUSE of the internal resistance and current through it. Worse, the internal resistance increases with T° and may lead to runaway if the ECU keeps asking for the required current to keep up with the speed requested and that will trigger the protection, if not, you get a fire. Also the problem with LiIon is battery is that its Vinternal decreases with its charge level. Full details here: www.red.pe.org.pl/articles/2012/7b/40.pdf A higher capacity battery based on the same elements has a lower Ri. Just more mass to move around and more losses too !! Only supercaps have a very low Ri that would alleviate these problems at the current level required by a car. Other battery technology will too. Musk is using old tech LiIon. . Same issue for charging. Fast charging means lot of losses and battery degradation. Fact is, due all their limitation, current EVs cars should be sold for less than 10k USD, less gadget, less weight, 200km range, 6KVA required to charge in less than 6h. Currently they are overpriced, oversophisticated expensive battery packs on wheels of limited practicably just suitable for a very few real users but mostly for wealthy pseudo ecowarriors who see themselves as a smart elite. To pick their money is fine, just that the real working man has to be careful. So far the only real effective battery vehicle is the electric bike, a real eco hybrid too.
Ironically, the Tesla naysayers seem mostly to be Americans and not Germans even the Tesla cars are made in America and American roads are quite ideal for the Tesla cars due to speed limits and lots of super charging stations.
We don't like electric cars. We like loud powerful vehicles. Electric cars are for pussies.
@@kenshinhimura9387 Yeah, cause real guys like NOISE!!!!! Only pussies would drive the car of the future.
Older Americans historically hate everything that would help them. It's gonna take a while to reprogram US to to not be so retarded
@@MindzEnt example: the metric unit.
@@MindzEnt People are always difficult to accept a major change. I love engines the thought of them being obsolete soon saddens me. Nothing beats the sound of a supercharged V8. However in the near future I do plan on adding a Tesla to my fleet. The performance is simply unmatched and so much more efficient.
Let's "just" do a 300 kW acceleration :|
King Konug yeah, that's 180 kW below the max :)
Just Tesla things
Try 200km/h at sunny day with 30 degrees celsius ambient temp, to see if the battery and power electronics of Tesla can hold on such load. :D I think will have heat issues, at high loads for longer time.
He's done it already.
It seems like the power limitation towards the end was due to drop of voltage. At high SoC, the voltage is around 400 V. At low SoC, the voltage is 330 V. That means the current much be much higher in order to output ~100 kW. And higher current introduces more heat.
All it matters is what speed you want to sustain, even Golf EV can do 200km with one charge, but at 30-40km/h. that's how physics make things.
And in comparison, a Model S can do ~900 km in a single charge at 30-40 km/h.
at 30C air resistance would be almost 10% lower so it may be even easier if limitation was due lower voltage
So, from 367 km estimated distance, you were only able to do about 100 km distance before overheating and your battery draining down to 14%, from travelling at 200 kph for ~30 mins
well if u go around 50 mph and lower in a tesla the whole time or lower you can get over 644km when your going a high speed it takes alottt of power
@@kalebslife1 50mph is extremely slow
Emmanuel Perrina um not really u don’t have to go 50 the whole time just most of the time to save battery
The amount drag to velocity is a square relation. So for example double the speed and the amount of drag will more than double. Cars moving at higher speed will be very inefficient.
@@Radmils I hate driving over 50mph because of this 😪
So that's why diesels are more popular in Germany. You can do hundreds of km's with a full tank of diesel at 200km/h. Last month I even did 340km of range with 60l of gas (X5 40e) at 181 km/h average, a big diesel would do better. The low range at high speeds scares me a bit.
People don't understand how important it is for the German market , expecially for salesman and businessman in general
And now it's getting banned all over the country. City by city... I have a Diesel lying at the garage. I'm trying to sell it for half the price of what it's worth. Can't manage it. Practically they killed 2nd. hand diesel market in Germany. And the government is doing nothing about it.
Diesel is wonderous stuff if you want to travel long distance at high speed. In Germany i normally cruise 180-200 kmh with a bmw 18D engine. Fuel stop every 700 km (if you even get to that..), you spend 5 minutes filling up and you're good again. EV's cannot live up to the autobahn efficiency of diesels, not yet anyway.... And thats why you see hardly any Tesla's in Germany compared to fi the Netherlands. They are NOT practical for long distance drivers.
Yeah, long distance has always been the problem with EV. Although it's a lot better these days. Since EVs are getting popular, the future next 10 years of technology advances will probably make long distance driving a lot better.
@@Guztav1337 in future, but not yet.
You don't get the same performance with a diesel engine, and if you want to compare to a similar power output, check out the old ford GT
Yes but while you spend 400€/500€ a year of maintenance in a diesel car. You spend 0€ in an eletric vehicle, well probably the tires and the brakes every 3/4 years
@@WilsonSilvaPT23 brake pads every year or more. Electric cars are heavy
Meanwhile on the other side of the spectrum, someone managed to drive 670 miles on a single charge at an avg of 22-23 mph.
srinitaaigaura Imagine what would be possible with the Tesla Roadster 2
MRT probably could even go a little faster than that what with the better aerodynamics, more efficient motors, and Bette battery cooling. Like 1300 miles at 30-35 mph
So thats about a factor 10 difference, 100km vs 1000km.
Its not that different with gasoline though. It sucks to look at the cost of driving fast.
I heard the battery completely died afterwards, and it was impossible to recharge
Do you know if this was in stop and go traffic in the city? I've yet to see a demo TEST where someone sees how much mileage they can get driving around a local area with 25 to 35 MPH speed limits.
great analysis! I would have chosen the same Autobahn for this test! electric greetings, Marcus
How much lower would the avg. consumption at 200kph be with a model s. Maybe you can test that with your 90D, Marcus? :)
my thoughts :-) Will do this test later this year and will show it on my channel
What is special with this road?
@ shaddyhacker It has 3 lanes with unlimited speed for a long stretch. This make it very unlikely that you have to slow down because of other cars overtaking each other. Often trucks with a tiny difference on the speed limiter can spend a looong time overtaking each other. Could easily be very frustrating to do a test like this in a 2 lane autobahn.
Lol. The battery drained so hard. 100% to 0% in 40 minutes. Thats the only Thing I hate about Teslas besides the pricetag.
It's not very efficient to do 200 km/h. 120-150 km/h is way better. It will usually take 2-3 hours to drain then.
Bjørn Nyland Yeah. But that still isn't enough. I hope the model 3 will show more possibilities in range.
John Metadata I love Tesla, but you can easily do 600 km at 150 km/h with a gas/diesel car (e.g. BMW 3 series)
i don't know what car you have, but I drive my maserati ghibli more than 300 km at 200 km/h and it could make 285 km/h. especially at 200 km/h my maserati draws like 10 liter / 100km in 8th gear and it is very silent if you are not in sport mode...
what car do you have and how big is your gas tank and how high is your consumption at 150km/h?
it takes 1/4 of my tank from marrakesh to agadir on my 2007 ford focus 2.0 on a constent speed of 120-180 and sometimes up to 220km/h and the road is all hills
if you are in Germany your are supposed to drive at right lane if its free even when when you drive at this speed ;)
The rule is based on traffic volume. If you are lonely on the autobahn at night to half 3 and the right lane is by trucks in poor condition, only a sheep runs true to rule over the right lane.
Or a german. Like me. :-D
Same in Norway were he's from
Technically it's based on traffic volume, but in a sense that you are only allowed to drive on the middle or left lane when there is a slower driving vehicle in sight on the right/middle lane.
Yeah, but nobody in Norway drives in the right hand lane. Even if there were 17 lanes, most Norwegians would still only drive in the left two. So. Annoying.
6:44 what a progressive country. Wind turbines blinking on the RHS, EVs on the roads and no speed limits. If only Australia was as forward thinking as Europe.
There is a "rule" in germany that dont got a translation word in english. It is mean "Rechtsfahrgebot". Translated it means the obligation to drive on the right.
I know about the rule. But this time I partly broke it because it looked cooler in the video to drive in the middle lane. And this was 3 am at night. I was not in the way for anyone. The rule mentioned that you can not be in the way of anyone.
Bjørn Nyland
You did fine, Bjorn. I think no one was blocked at any time.
I guess we Germans always need to mention the "Rechtsfahrgebot" on every youtube-video because we are all smartasses. ;-)
I think it's only for if anyone is coming from behind which at that time of night, probably not.
I drove in the middle lane because it looked cool in the video. It's like X-wing driving in space ;)
Why you don't use the left turning signal anymore?! :'-)
26:58 "If Tesla made a roadster 2.0 or something..." hit the nail on the head Bjørn
Once again, +Bjorn Nyland, you provide the best Tesla videos on the tube! Happy motoring! :)
Why doesn't the average consumption graph on the right instrument scale to fit inside the area? The line on top is cut off.
Maybe to show that you're insane and should slow down? :D
If he stays in the middle lane going 200 and I come up going 240 in the right lane. I've to change two lanes to overtake him.
That's why the "Rechtsfahrgebot" is so important
or you are italian and overtake him on the right
Trying to prove that Tesla will not overheat at almost freezing temperature outside is not so convincing. You should retry this during summer at ~ 30C / 86F. I am 100% sure that there will be different result ...
Keep in mind that the air is more dense at lower temperatures. At 30°C, there might be less overheat. Air resistance might be a lot more significant than ambient temperature. We don't know until someone tests it.
I agree that air density is changing by temperature, humidity and pressure but impact of change is small. Generally you can omit it from calculation unless you are traveling like from 0 meters above sea level to something like 2000 m above sea. Also denser air mean you have much more particles to transfer heat away from car.
Impact from ambient temperature level is much significant. All components that convert energy generate also some excess heat. This is because conversion is not 100% efficient and some of the energy will end up as heat on components. This heat needs to be dissipated to surrounding area otherwise components may overheat and fail. There will be lot of heat generated inside battery pack, power distribution unit (inverter?) and electric motor. This excess heat will dissipate to air only if temperature of heat-sink / components is higher than ambient temperature. Generally speaking you need some difference to overcome thermal resistance of system. Just a example. If component that needs 25C difference to overcome thermal resistance then it will be 25C above ambient temperature. If we test it at 5C ambient temperature then component will operate at 30C. If we test this at 30C then component will have temperature around 55C which is much higher + during summer you get also lot of thermal energy just from asphalt irradiating it to car.
Somebody should test it it but it will be better to not provide claims unless test condition are correct (summer, day time, ~ 30C) ... generally you don't see overheated gasoline cars on side of road during winter ... but when you travel during summer things are much more different ... and I expect difference also on EV.
+Names ... 8% is like 8 - 12 W difference. This is comparable to light bulb in glove compartment and it will make no difference in overall heat dissipation ...
Please Björn. Use the Metric system . Let the 3 nations on earth that dont have it do the math. We are at least 6 billion people that use the metric system.
Funkywallot did he not use the metric system the entire video? You guys complain when there’s no metric and only imperial.
Funkywallot Your side of the pond would be in shambles were it not for the most important nation using the Imperial System, which, by the way, makes so much more sense then your Metric.
@@reapz3621 excuse me the Imperial system makes more sense than the metric system?
Metric:
Miligrams in a gram: 1000
Grams in a kilogram: 1000
kilograms in a tonne: 1000
Imerial
Ounces in a pound: 16
Punds in a US ton: 2000
That is what i got from google okay what? In the metric system we have a steady 1000
@@reapz3621 Sorry but this is definitely in my top ten of "is he being dumb or sarcastic?" Phrases on the internet.
Thanks Bjørn for that nice and informative video. Most ICE drivers aren't quite aware how much more energy is consumed by going so fast. Driving an EV, you get much more sensitive to things like that. As a side effect, your video shows that at high speeds like 200km/h, the perceived average speed on public roads is always higher than the real average speed. Looking at the speedometer, you think you are going at 200km/h for an hour, but every second you spend parking, waiting at stop lights, accelerating, decelerating etc. is counting against that, so in the end you consume lots of energy but you're actually not travelling as fast as you might expect. At lower speeds, this effect is less pronounced.
In Germany, we have lots of road works and the general rule is that there is a speed limit of either 80km/h or 60km/h in the construction area, depending on the setup of the diversions and lane narrowing. If you go at 100km/h these things hardly slow you down, but if you're going at 200km/h, you will always have to hit the brakes very hard as soon as you see the "road works" sign, and then punch it equally hard afterwards to get back to your traveling speed. In the end, you really aren't that much faster...
Mirko, ICE drivers pay the price on the pump for going fast so they are aware of it however they are willing to cover the extra cost for the marginal travel time reduction and adrenaline rush. Now if the tank on an ICE would only last 100 km at very high speeds and refueling would take 45-60 minutes after about each 30 minutes of driving then the ICE drivers would be highly likely to slow down as well because it will get them to their destination faster provided the destination is over 100 km away.
This was a Model X with a 90kw battery. I'm sure it would have been an easy for a Model S with 100kw battery.
Mr. Teff Imagine what happens with the Tesla Roadster 2.0 😯
Vorname Nachname But then the speed won’t be 200 km/h, it will be 400😁
I really appreciate the german attitude to the cars, i once bought a mercedes A class in Germany and was impressed by their professionalism and no wonder why they make the best cars in the world.
One thing to note, that people often forget about, is that the laws of physics are kind of the same for EV and ICE as well. I normally cruise 130-140kmh with my ICE on highways and there is about 1-1,5L/100km difference between the 90kmh country road fuel consumption and the 130-140khm highway.
Have driven in Germany last year and tested the top speed of my car @190kmh and it was guzzling fuel like a bad drunk. Can't recall the exact figures but it was around a little less than double of my normal highway consumption as far as I recall.
PS: I drive a Renault Megane which has a 1.6L 16v engine with 115HP.
A lot depends on the engine. I drove a 300 km trip in germany with a 1.6 ltr gasoline Mercedes A class and it used around 11 l/100km. Second generation or so, its been a while. On the trip back i had a BMW 530D and it not only drove faster (250 km/h vs. around 190), it used less fuel doing so, quite a lot actually. Bigger engine which was basically limited way below its maximum speed versus a small engine at its limit has a huge influence on fuel consumption. And yes, of course you will use a lot more fuel going faster in cars, not so in planes.
Soordhin The rules of physics don't change when you're flying a plane. I'm a pilot, and we quite often have to throttle back to meet our destination with the efficiency required and the fuel allotted. An aircraft has drag, just like a car. At any given altitude, the drag increases with speed, which requires more thrust to compensate for it.
That may be true, but my point was about the difference between 90kmh, 130 and 190/200 on the same car. I bet that 530D shows a similar increase in fuel consumption relative to itself. Above 150kmh is "fun" when you visit Germany and can test your car without fear of getting a check, but it is not too practical in terms of fuel economy.
Sounds about right, my car has similar numbers, except it's a 1.6L. But yeah 7-7.5 @130 and in the low-mid teens if you floor it to top speed.
Well, below a certain point it increases again, which is the difference i was driving at. In a 737-800 on a 2000NM sector at around CI 10 you will use around the same fuel as on long range cruise, but you will be 15 to 20 minutes slower. No harm in increasing speed in that range. Going even slower will increase the fuel burn.
Running 200 KPH for 6 hours, (one stop for gas 5 minutes) Las Vegas to San Francisco, and back many times in a Escort GT never a problem with anything but traffic. When EV's can climb mountains and run high speeds for hours instead of minutes and cost next to nothing you might be on to something.
my smart cdi can go ~600km @140km/h with 30 liters of diesel fuel, so ~5l/100km @140km/h
Still i preordered a Model 3 :) obviously not a better TCO on the Tesla is expected...
"Massive consumption, massive speed. Ooooooo, slight turn OK." . . . I love this guy
Not easy to talk about "something" over such a long time. He is really squeezing out all the juice :D
at 200 km/h you're moving at over 55.5 m/s,which is 3.33 km/min that means it takes only 18 seconds to go 1 km isn't that insane?
Auch mit 200 km/h kann man auf der rechten Spur fahren!!
Air Vibes Das Rechtsfahrgebot kommt selbstverständlich zur Anwendung. Genauso die Verpflichtung zur Verwendung des Fernlichts außerhalb von Ortschaften.
Heul leise
Mittlere Spur darf dauerhaft befahren werden bei 3 oder mehrspuriger Autobahn, was bei 200kmh auch Sinn macht.
Man merkt auch dass er selten so schnell fährt, vor allem die Sorge vor der Ausfahrt die noch 10km entfernt ist...
u never know when a rs6 comes in 300km/h :)
I really wish we had highways in Canada without speed limits. It's so satisfying to be doing 200kmh
Play at 0.25x speed. That's what 50km/h looks like. :D
Lol bro
Background sound is so relaxing that now I can sleep tight thanks :)
This is clearly not a perfect getaway car for criminals. lul
Thats a good thing, ''lul''.
Late answer, but just got this video in my recommendation. :)
It depends. For example, if you take bank robbers, they often use multiple cars in their run away. A Tesla would be almost ultimate as the first car, which they then quickly get rid of. It is quiet and very fast, so no one hears where they are going.
Would be interesting to see the same test with the new models. could you do that Bjorn?
Please drive on the right lane. Only use middle and left lane for overtaking. 200kmh is not fast in Germany.
Proven: Model X can do what iPace and eTron will be able to: Hammer those car's top speed of 200 km/h till battery's empty.
With cw ≈ 0.28 those won't make 100 km though.
Going 180 km/h - EQC's top speed - Model X will also keep up easily.
And - there still is Model S. On the market for 6 years. With even further range at these speeds. And real efficient Model 3 to come.
Could it simply be limiting you simply because of how fast you are going when the battery is low?
I mean it was a cool night and as soon as you slowed down the limit went away fairly fast. It would be nice if Tesla could let us nerds know what the pack and motor temps are.
thanks for the video. I am pleased that the Tesla looks like it is only going 50mph when it is going 2.5 times that. In California there are a few places where you can drive that fast and in fact if you DON'T drive that fast you'll be pushed off the road (Palm Springs, for example.) Cant wait to get my Mod 3 so I can roughly duplicate your demonstration here. Surprised the battery depletes in that short a distance.
your average speed was 176.4 km/h, 108.8 km in 37 minutes 😁
If you subtract the wait time at the traffic lights it is more like 181 km/h. If you consider the round trip average speed from the first traffic light it is 107.9 km/ 35 minutes or about 185 km/h.
If you count the time it takes to recharge the batteries the average speed is more like 1.76 km/h
What are the red lights flashing which you can see on the left of the screen at the 6:30 mark point. :)
lol you do it here in Australia and cops would be like "You will kill the whole country with that much speed" and all that lecture and rude behavior. Also, best case scenario, 2 year license suspension and car seized for 30 days and obviously some couple of grands of fine.
DO REMEMBER it's the best case scenario :D
it so relaxing I don't know why...
what do you think is the optimal speed for model S to drive between superchargers?
Probably 150-170 km/h.
Thanks! Also, I noticed that you have a digital clock on the bottom right of your instrument display. How come I don't remember seeing this on my car? Is this a setting?
mmdday, where do you work if you dont mind me asking and what do you do to be able to afford this car?
Ess he won x in a contest on the most referrals(he had an s before).
A supercharger from Efacec "Portuguese company", tested in Germany Fast Charge network, has the new system of recharging electric batteries. Increase the autonomy of a Porsche Taycan by 100 km in just three minutes. The Taycan, expected to be able to load at 350 kW, reached 400 kW at the Efacec service to FastCharge.
Bjørn did you ever try to get the lowest Wh/km in your P90DL during normal driving but with "eco driving"?
I'm wondering what numbers Model X can get.
I'm thinking of buying Tesla 100kWh but I don't know which to order S or X...both of them are amazing, S is limo X is suv but 6 seats in X is big pros for me but what about a range...
Maybe, when you have time, can you record small video with your opinion about which car will be better in which way?
Till now I only try S70D and I get 163Wh/km so it was good result imo.
In Poland as you know we need good range but maybe 100kWh battery is now the solution no matter if it is X or S?
Check out these videos:
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there are enough super and destination chargers in Poland ;)
take the 100D Model X, it has enough range.
I don't know how but I missed the long version of your compare video earlier.
So after couple of months after your X delivery are you happy owner of X or are you thinking about S as next car ;)?
Cheers
I still prefer X for many reasons.
Maksim what do u mean enough superchargers in Poland? There are only 3 of them now.
Bjorn, that was great! I don't think I would try this with my model S85D but it's good to know you can. I notice the outside temp was 5C and air density has something to do with that consumption. On the other hand, that also helped you keep cool so it's a toss up! Great report!
I think it's funny that I've driven That fast when I was 16 when i made my driver's license. I live in Germany and I drove with a Audi A3 210km/h.
Thanks for the Tesla simulator. I've never had the opportunity to drive one. There are still a few downsides to electric over petrol but the electric car era has barely even begun. There are so many massive improvements to come. It's exciting. I love technology and gadgets so much I think I'm probably just sick.
Rade. LoL!
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In 1985 I bought a new Saab 900T, 2 door, admiral blue. The 1st week I owned it I drove from Bad Kreuznach Germany to Munich for lunch and back home in under 6 hours, and it was a relaxed high carb lunch. The Autobahn was fun to drive, you could hook up with someone and drive together for hours as fast as the conditions allowed. But you always kept your eye on the rear view mirror. I could get to about 127 mph, hit the cruise control and it would set and drop down to 123 and stay right there, drive for hours like a Swiss watch, like a Swedish car.
Germany Roads are too smooth.
England And India meanwhile: AHHHHHHHHHH
With current technology, the battery powered vehicle is for city driving and not for fast long-haul commuting. Based on that, the hybrid car makes perfect sense. The only issue is that the battery size of a hybrid is way too small due to weight limitations when carrying both engine with fuel and the electric powertrain.
Can't wait until we replace the batteries with some sort of fuel cell so that we can produce electricity on board instead of storing it. Probably the only way to go fully electric.
Either way, thanks for your great informative videos. Keep 'em coming! :)
I wish you a lot of Fun on our German "Autobahn". :-)
heat is produced by the current flowing. If you are averaging 100kw output, at full battery voltage you have less current than when you have 15%.
It makes quite a difference
no one overheats at +5ºC. try California +35ºC
So you can use up your whole battery in 40 minutes if you go at 200 km/h... Interesting.
How to use Cruise control?
I think what people mean is not that it cannot drive at 125mph over distance ... but rather driving at 100% throttle for 50% of the time (as on a track). So basically you get about 100mile range doing 125mph? So you need to re-charge every 48min. Charging to 80% mean 80 mile range re-charging 38min. For sure the weak point with EV. My car does 25mpg @ 125mph (32mph @ 85mph), meaning one fillup every 400miles (or one fillup every 3h15m). I was surprised that it's the heat that was killing the efficiency, I though it was more due to the efficiency of the motors are falling off as speed increases (and torque drops).
BTW: Love that you are so honest and scientific about your tests, understanding the pro and con, and not just being the run of the mill fanboy (I find that people owning said cars are never that fan-ish ...).
53% -> 48% happened very very fast.
led headlights range not very impressive
He is not using high beams, isnt it obvious?
He is not using high beams! daaa
Not using high lights and also you are seeing it from a camera which obscures everything.
You can't decide that though a camera though the internet through you monitor, way to many variables
Model S or 3 would make more kilometres at 200kph as their aerodynamics are far better than the Model X. Maybe even battery overheating would be lower due to the lower consumption
Slight headwind, slight tailwind. Electric car drivers be like 😂
The dotted line is over heating, its the upper KW range of the motors the car wont let you use.
My brain's activity at 3 am
I recognize the gas station where you started driving, because I live near to it. :)
With a product of over 80k$ you shouldn't have to think about it's technical shortages like overheating.
well you dont in normal use
Good video Bjorn. This really shows true range for Tesla, max range being 500km and one should plan his trips to be ~350km max.
If you drive 200km/h and expect to achieve max. range, the problem is in your thinking, not in Tesla. It's the same with every car. More power requires more energy...
I feel as a passenger
So am I Lols 😂
you mean like a passenger
I like this German-English commentary. Felt fresh.
uabir he was dutch...
Yow. I am impressed. Expertly driven.
Daniel Murray Expertly & smartly driven... oh! I also would say that he could read the road ahead rather well, and being smart about it is key. I wish many more drivers would do this in other places, but not always the case.
Thank you for your video Bjørn. Loved hanging out with you at high speeds! :) Gotta take care of that cough.
i wonder what the oil lobby boys will come up with now. The interior again? I'll give them a tip, wind and tyre noise, ice cars don't have any of that at this speed, right? 😂
Bart Goossens: not in the luxury >100k market, no. glad you asked.
I really like Tesla ,but they still need to make cabine isolation better
Model S/X are more expensive because of the new battery technology. Tesla created as such a new
"Technology" car segment which you then compare to the "Luxury" segment. I still think that doing that is disingenuous, no matter how many times it gets repeated.
My model X is pretty sturdy, in fact much stronger than comparable steel cars. And it drives on 100% renewable energy, both from our own panels as well as from our electricity provider. Saying otherwise is just FUD really.
Love Teslas but they need to seriously improve their cabin quality and quietness. At highway speeds the car's interior is too loud. Also Tesla's reliability and service center speed is definitely not a high point.
15:57: Trying to hit that exit is like Luke Skywalker in his X-wing when he's trying trying to hit that target on the Death Star.
Isn't there law in Germany that driver must be able to stop the vehicle within a distance he/she can see to be clear?
You cannot stop that car in area which head lights lit up while driving so fast.
everything is fine. bjorn made a good job. i would drive the autobahn with 285 km/h without high beam without problems.
you are wrong. StVO §3 last sentence: "Er darf nur so schnell fahren, daß er innerhalb der übersehbaren Strecke halten kann. Auf Fahrbahnen, die so schmal sind, daß dort entgegenkommende Fahrzeuge gefährdet werden könnten, muß er jedoch so langsam fahren, daß er mindestens innerhalb der Hälfte der übersehbaren Strecke halten kann."
Yes there is a law who say, you have to stop within the distance you can see.
Enno von Schwerin but no one cares
Enno von Schwerin Thank you for clearing this up. I thought there must be also in Germany this kind of responsibility for the driver.
Come to a full stop in the middle of the highway withing your line of sight. Through bends uphill's blindspots... Have you ever driven on a highway mate?
German car manufacturers care for the wind thing because alot of the Germans that drive more expensive cars drive at 200km/h
But Tesla is in 'Murica and they can sometimes go up to 120km/h but mostly they drive 90km/h
They don't need this.
weird flex but ok
Bjørn, have you filmed the road view using your camcorder or the second phone? If it was the camcorder: I recommend you to set the focus to manual and "distant". If it was the phone, maybe a different recording app would help, to set the focus to manual. At some places, the autofocus did weird focussing to the windscreen. However, nice video anyway. :-)
i know your german but your accent sound like chinese
I'm not German.
Great video and test , I'm smoking trees while watching.
have lots of gas money, take any v8 with cruise control - just push it to 250kmh for 400km or so, refill at autobahn gas station, repeat as often as u want. Electric cars must improve to beat that.
IIXMCMXCI V push it to 400km or so”
lol what are you driving a Bugatti or what?
He is obviously talking about going 250kmh for 400km
Sado Plays I’m not talking about the gas or electricity efficiency.. I’m just saying I doubt Tesla can hit 400kmh
fight a tesla roadster 2 i dare you
the bad drawer battery empty before it reaches 200kmh. Propably even after the acceleration xD
Nice open road test. I like the test and review.
my a3 8l 1.9tdi 110hp 140km/h 55 litres fuel 1000km in spain easy
i make like 6l/100km with my 320d 163hp...
Very nice test! Really useful, since this type of test is not performed by the car manufacturers. Even though the fuel consumption for ICE cars is also given during really slow driving tests (for example "highway driving" usually means speeds of like 80-100 km/h), you know that when you buy a car and usually there is no other things to worry about.
But for a car like this you have to take into count for example the heat issues. People who don't like electric cars will of course use that as an argument and exaggerate the problems - but even for us who like electric cars and even likes to drive fast it's really nice to see what a car like this can handle.
Ride84XL the thing is that the ambient temperature here is 4°C and theres no sun try going 200km/h in 40°C with the sun shining for that distance sure youll not overheat or anything like that thats why i like ice cars more
Goodbye oil... goodbye
Valoro85: www.ft.com/content/471cd6e2-60bc-11e7-91a7-502f7ee26895
Saeed Rouhani Yes, Hybrid technology. They will not be fully electric, as there is no space for these vehicles in the market yet.
Goodbye oil.....Welcome to german coal to charge electric cars.
@@audewilkin5659 😂😂😂😂😂
He used about 55 kWh of energy in this video. This costs about 10L of oil to produce. This is something that people seem to forget.
Driving around in a tesla with normal KM in one year (so 20,000 per year) takes the energy of 3 households. (8000 kWh)
I mean if you wanted to show that it doesnt overheat when you drive fast try to do this in 20degreess in sun, not at night with almost freezeing temperature at ground
am loving the progress electric cars have come
that is a cool test. I live in a rural area in america that challenged me to back my words.. 100 miles an hour, for a whole hour. So I did.. and never shared it. It is the future to be going faster. I look forward to electric outcomes. I have a v8 singing at low rpm.. 21mpg.
Try that in Australia on a 45C day, I guarantee it will overheat within minutes and you will roll to a stop on the side of the road until it cools down just like any other car that tries that stunt over here
Какая культура вождения, поразительно.
I think the argument is not about cruising at a constant (high speed) but the rapid accell and decell that is needed in spirited driving around a track or up and down mountains and through switchbacks. There is more energy used this way in higher peak burst and often with less than perfect air flow for cooling. A better test is to try this say up the stilveo pass or through a twisty b road.
nice testing, but i see you had an outside temperature of 4-5°C so i would love to see you redoing this test in summer when there are outside temperatures of 25+°C, would be very interested in overheating differences. Thank you.
Even in Germany you DO have a speed restriction: You can only drive so fast that you can stop in the distance you can see. That isn't more than 100m with normal lights. Which means you're actually not allowed to drive faster than around 80-100 km/h, even at the Autobahn.
Trust me, I'm German. And an engineer ;)
Jemand when you outdrive your car at night nobody, not even the police would care a shit. I dont have to be an engineer to tell you that the things u said are totally irrelevant because nobody would be there to control that law. Bin schon oft genug nachts mit 200 an der polizei vorbei ohne die sicht auch nur annähernd zu haben. Hat man mich rausgezogen? Natürlich nicht..... absoluter schwachsinn den du da redest
This car works for countries with speed limits. In Germany it fails. After 95 km (35min) due to power reduction speed is going down as battery level is very low. I live in Bavaria, where a distance of a hundred km is nothing.
It's not true, that driving 200km/h or more is not possible at daytime. If i would drive right now (at 6.00 pm ) on the A9, A92 or A93 i could easily reach 250km/h or more for a short time. 180-200km/h without interruption is possible for ten minutes or more.
As battery voltage go down you'll need more amps from the batteries leading to increased joule effect, should have no effect on the engine stators. But I wonder what is the sustained speed in summer at 35C, not when outside is 5C.
Wow, the battery range got vaporized at those speeds. I guess wind resistance is a bigger factor than I thought!
Well, wind resistance goes with speed squared. So at 200km/h you're using 4 tines the energy that you're using at 100km/h (which is roughly150Wh/km).