Exploring the feasibility of Transit Oriented Development in Limerick Junction, Tipperary #tod #mayor #ireland #limerick #housingcrisis #tipperary #munster #urbanism #architecture
I’m from limerick and this is a really great idea! Limerick Junction is such a strange place, but turning it into a modern urban space would be very appealing to so many commuters. I think Limerick is always on the cusp so I leashing its great potential- but never actually manages to unleash it. Maybe the new Mayor system will help kickstart new ideas like this.
Brilliant to see you doing this across the sea - we're working on building a big new town near London which will hopefully one day be home to 500,000 people. It's honestly baffling that our regulatory framework makes this type of development more practical than simple infill builds and densification!
I’m liking the progression of this series! I question the value of restricting street-level spaces further away from the station from non-residential uses, rather than allowing them, & letting them be used as non-residential spaces even if for non-commercial purposes. Allowing them to be live-work units would be another way to diversify the street, economy & offerings. I’m also curious to understand some of the policies of Ireland that influence how well this area will live. I really appreciate the info about local vs National government, as an American. Please continue to explore & share these as it’s often different from our experience.
Amazing video, there's a lot of urban planning channels out there but you've done it from a unique angle. Awesome stuff and really appreciate the design of the buildings. Roofs help aesthetics so much in comparison to flat roofs
One feature Ireland's pedestrian streets need is protection from the rain. Could be integrated well if planned from the beginning. You see this is cities like Malaga is Spain, but there they do it to block the sun in summer. Life in Ireland would be improved immeasurable if we put a roof over our urban areas once and for all.
I really enjoy this channel. It’s great to see it grow. Who knows maybe at some point crowd funding could be used to demonstrate on a small level a single building using the architecture principals outlined to demonstrate the ideas to the broader public and promote the idea :) I love the human scale design, the use of architecture that is largely vernacular - ie. the arcades to cover from rain
It's nice to see you included beauty in your vision. In Ireland it seems we only care about building modernist architecture nowadays rather than beautiful buildings.
If there are going to be projects like this nationwide, I believe that nothing should be allowed to be built on abandoned railway lines so that they can be preserved for future restoration and thus, more TOD.
Very beautiful! It looks great and I see you have thought of this (the colonnades, and apts look great) but for a lot of development in Ireland/UK, I see a lot of plans that imagine year round sunshine (everything looks better in the sun). I wish planners would develop aesthetics with grey/rainy/overcast weather in mind (which is also beautiful when done right).
Somehow I had never considered the amount of trains Limerick Junction has, I always just took the name at face value, but it would absolutely make sense for a tod to be making use of the station
I really appreciate the conceptual design work you're doing here, while it might not come about it's definitely helping to visualise what alternative development could be like that aren't just big blocks and semi-d suburbs, though with how baltic cold the junction can get, a good set of trees and streets oriented away from prevailing winds might be needed to stop a wind tunnel effect from taking hold. While on the topic of railways, any chance of a skim over what could be done to connect the effectively 2 sets of rail lines in the country?
Love it. Classical design is the way to go . You have obviously been to Poundbury. However the current treatment plant only has a capacity for 500 people. Don't know if the river its discharging to could take anymore.
Love the video and idea. I’m from close to Tipp Town and now living abroad. I often think that the potential of the area is so incredible. I’d love to see more of this happen at home, because Ireland as a country has so much potential if we could only see it ourselves. With progressive thinking and ideas like this we could have a quality of life similar to the Nordic countries. Untimely though, it doesn’t happen and and for some reason we don’t believe we can achieve that as a country. Sometimes I find it’s sad to look at Ireland from the outside and see us continue to pay for our issues with plane loads of young people to Australia. I hope things are changing. Great video, keep up the good work ☺️
I wish you all the best in realising this development. I find the proposal very attractive. It also provides the solution to an intense need for more housing. Naming the streets after trees anchors the necessity for greenery into the urban context. I would invite you to come to Munich, where you can see your visualisation in real life. Visit Neuhausen (my home), Lehel or Haidhausen to view exactly your vision. I have a theory that dwellinghouses and trees must coexist and relate to each other. The correct size for a house is the grown up size of a linden tree. This interaction is in my view one of the major reasons for Munich's immense attractiveness. In many surveys (e.g. Mercer's quality of living), we are well up the list of sought after places to live. You need to get your mayoral devolution model right - in Munich, the state still has too much say in strictly urban affairs (e.g. new tramlines).
@@polysee We are built to a very high density, but still retain a strong urban flair and we have lots of trees. Our buildings are built to a design code. English cities have a chaotic, unnerving architecture and their suburbs remind me of Russian Dacha colonies (= allotments).
I'm from near Ballybrophy station. One of the highest use train station/junctions in Ireland that is not even a village. Would love to see TOD proposal for there!
I like that you chose a modern architecture with ideas of historism.This is a community I´d like to live in. Many tranditionalist videos advocate against modern architecture and then show super ornated palaces and aristocrate houses as a positive example, while they ignore how unaffordable this would be for mass housing.
Incredible lads, you're doing incredible work here. To me, this is the first time for Ireland that current and future mainstream voters won't need to be nerds/hobbyists to put into words their opinions on planning, which, if your ideas can take root, will hopefully will lead to a strong, unified voice on the issue soon. And your proposals are so palatable (great visuals) and readily consumable (on TH-cam as opposed to a blog or a planning authority whitepaper) that the message has a great chance of being broadcast. How to grow from 30k views per video to 300k though is the question, and perhaps more importantly, how not to lose people/create a calcified resistance to the ideas along the way?
There must be some crossover with the blindboy audience here (or pople who watch your content and know him personally), if he were to discuss/collab with you guys on your channel/ideas and the mainstream public warms to your ideas in the same way I have, it could be a paradigm shift for our state. I know he can divide opinion in some circles though, which I would imagine is the last thing your ideas need (organic resistance). BTW, what's going on in the psyche of Limerick people that they've created possibly the strongest hurling team ever, birthed Munster rugby, now they're leading the way in making our country more habitable, and a masked Limerick man is driving the national conversation in so many other areas? Limerick people should be proud and I have to admit I'm envious as a Galway person.
Limited on street parking would be helpful for loading bays and disabled spaces, both for obvious practical reasons. It's also important to note that without heavy enforcement, in the absence of loading bays you'd see couriers etc block roadways as their schedule wouldn't allow for other options.
@@cros13 i agree that those would perhaps be the only two reasonable exceptions (but what i'm getting at is that watching/listening to the video, the proposed plan appears to favour the status quo, in this regard... in other words, it does not seem to include emulating e g Japan's combined mandatory garage certificate + ban on overnight onstreet parking in order to further curb traffic)
I really like this video and the overall concept especially for a place like Limerick junction. However, as with every other infrastructure or housing project in Ireland it would be buried deep under years worth of environmental reports, consultants reports, funding issues, planning objections and judicial reviews to name but a few.
Most street names in Ireland are English first, since we speak in English. Having Irish names below the English names or English names being taken from Irish names is the norm. e.g Glennamuck road is from Gleann na Mhuice. The Irish name has a meaning, the English name has a pronunciation more suited to our day to day dialect
Why have a colonised mentality, are you not a proud Irishman? Why is it that mimicking English ways is the norm. All place names should've been reverted back to Irish a long time ago. I don't understand how this conservative argument about how its good because its the way it is now has any validity. Surely a channel like this which is trying to conceive of a new reality for Ireland shouldn't be held back by conservatism
@@ruairi5433 it's not a channel about street names, it's about urban planning. I agree with place names being in Irish first for sure. And I don't personally like the generic tree names for streets that are found multiple times in every english speaking country but the channel is about Urban Planning and creating a conversation in regards to improving that.
The BEST option would be high density MIXED predominantly making the best use of all the space ABOVE the station and adjacent areas which is what is done throughout Japan BRILLIANTLY🏆 The inner core being the station, then all around from ground level to 2nd floor in adjacent areas devoted to businesses, restaurants, shopping, with residential apartments 3-5 floor thereby preserving the adjacent areas outside to green spaces with a school nestled within. No need for cars as everything would be within 5-10mins and street around the perimeter with just one UNDERGROUND car/bus terminal access street ✅
Cool idea but unfortunately Ireland (outside of Dublin) you really need a car to get places. As someone from limerick, it's a cool idea to utilize the train, but it only brings you to the city center, where none of the industry is. The bus system would to be steped up to bring workers to Castletroy and Raheen. Or adding a new train stop in annacotty, where a new park and ride is planned.
Can’t disagree with that, especially for somewhere so isolated. There would be cars here, though, and as we say the number of spaces would be a matter for designers
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Adamstown, the much-lauded "new town" in West Dublin. A friend of mine lives there and I'm always struck by how it's reality is at odds with its initial proposal. It has turned into more suburban sprawl with no discernable town centre. And then there's Cherrywood... A failure before it's even been started.
Adamstown has in the last couple of years had a centre of sorts developed, although it’s still quite car-centric and doesn’t acknowledge what it is Irish people generally enjoy about an urban centre. I would say Adamstown is exactly how it was planned; not ambitious enough. Vote FG/FF and you’ll get FG/FF policy.
Having stood on Limerick Junction, it is like a place in Siberia! It is ready-made for some environmental living space. As long as the planning focuses on active travel and not another car place. We need a Lime Street in every city and town! Go for it!
It's all good and nice, but just to mention that it would be better not to use sunny weather for the demonstration becauce nice and sunny weather is not the norm in Ireland and everything looks better in nice and sunny weather... So just to get a bit better feel for the idea, shitty gray and wet weather should be used
Really interesting video, lovely designs. What was the rationale behind the 5,000 population cap? Given the superb rail links, couldn’t you potentially go much larger than that?
I'd like to hear if you've read and have thoughts on the Clonburris development in Dublin? A housing development within the Dublin suburban areas, planned homes for 23k, and connectivity through to the city centre intended via rail
That's actually just up the road from me. I drive past it every day as I live in Clondalkin near the park. It's very well located along the rail line which will be upgraded. A lovely mixture of development too and they've already built some nice open spaces. My only concern is that there isn't enough in terms of schools - two new ones were meant to be built nearby in Kilcarbery but have since got axed which will put great pressure on existing schools. Also in terms of buses there's only the L54 which passes by Clondalkin Fonthill station at present which connects with Red Cow and Lucan but really more lines are needed for others to properly use the station. Another thing is the cost of the houses there is very high but I guess that's everywhere sadly
A good idea but bear in mind that there are already almost 3000 housing units in the pipeline near limericks Colbert station. Although a lot of people are complimentary of the architectural styles used here; it’s worth remembering that these styles are very hard to achieve nowadays using modern materials without well trained personnel. If you look at developments in Ireland using these styles they tend to look like a disnified pastiche rather than delivering the sense of consistency and permanence you’re aiming for. One more recent success using these architectural styles would be Pounbury in the UK but again this town was built with high quality traditional materials by well trained craftspeople; both severely lacking in Ireland.
Thanks for the comment. Yes the 3,000 united around Colbert are welcome, but like a TOD here, are a long way away from delivery. Poundbury looks beautiful and the shortage of stonemasons and the like here is a valid one, something that should be addressed
Have you been to Poundbury? It just doesn't feel very real. There's almost an 'uncanny valley' feel about the place. It's also a weird mixture of rustic rural buildings in one street, a grand London stucco terrace on the next and then a huge Italian style piazza in the centre. It's a mishmash of styles that you just wouldn't find in a town that had developed organically over centuries.
@@ballyhigh11 Although I haven't been there I can get the idea. I wasn't necessarily saying that it is a success, in terms of consistent architecture, just that it demonstrates the skills needed to recreate quality so-called traditional architectural styles. Having lived in houses from a variety of eras in Ireland (Georgian, Edwardian, Victorian and early modern ... a lot of flats😄); the patience and the quality of workmanship required to achieve good quality architecture from these eras and then maintain it is virtually non existent in Ireland. And we see too much of this in Ireland already; espesially during the 'boom' era. fake mouldings and concrete Doric columns with PVC windows all looking like a country and western singers paradise, rather than an honest recreation that is sensitive to it's environment and surroundings. Imagine an entire Irish town of that stuff! And who decides that this is 'peak' architecture or craftsmanship? I've worked in the conservation industry for a good few years in a few different countries and underneath many of these buildings were simply thrown together with whatever junk builders could find at the time. You can achieve so much more with modern materials, methods and styles.
I adore TOD… however, how can you promise that people will only use the rail to get to neighbouring shops? Is Ireland already culturally rail-centric? I can see many people parking on a field nearby and driving to the next town for their shopping, rather than getting the train down… perhaps a parking area near the main road established for while the town grows, which then can be redeveloped into parkland (after a battle with residents) ? Fantastic idea for an under-utilised junction
Good idea, however the town you have planned would need to be scaled back or moved further south-west, as the Draft All Island Strategic Rail Review plans to instate a curve between the Waterford and Cork ends of the Junction in order to speed up journey times.
I think the Waterford->Cork curve will have to either skip Limerick junction station, or weirdly curve out towards Dublin and join the line heading towards Cork on the Dublin side; the station is just too close to the Waterford side of the line to allow you to add a curve of a reasonable radius into the station
As a resident of Ennis, where the council established a development authority (Ennis DAC 2040), your optimism of the effectiveness of such a body seems sadly naïve…vested interests are aligning to fight any progress that ruffles the status quo :( Given proximity to both Limerick and Galway, and a fairly large grey industrial zone near the rail station, I’ve very much wondered about the viability of TOD here!
@@polysee not sure - imo it is an Ennis MD problem, a Clare Mayor would have a lot of pressure to develop outside of Ennis rather than continuing to pour money into Ennis. Politics is fun :)
I'm not a huge fan of greenfield development, especially when it's done because the places that actually need housing are refusing to allow it to be built, but if you have a rail station with that much inherent capacity, then this should've been built 20 years ago!
get these lads in the dept of housing and an bord pleanála now! 👏 let’s just hope that typical irish bureaucracy doesn’t cause this to take half a century to get built 😆
Large increase of population during short periods of time, also a lot moving into cities or areas with good transport links and the housing developments aren’t keeping up with demand
@@mickeygraeme2201 Rise in single households. Dispersed rural housing, many in areas of low economic activity i.e holiday homes in connemara/west kerry. Influx of skilled labour for high paying tech industries. Vague/contary local and regional planning policies.
Only a single type of tree per street isn't good imo. No bio diversity so soil and other factors would need to be managed intensively.... Uniformity is beauty only in the eyes of HOAs remember? 😂
Red Flag @ 5:05 why commission a report on mixed use towns from a country that has miniscule experience of such communities? The USA is largely car-centric and prioritises that above the varied needs of its citizens at various stages of their lives. To me that shows a local authority that has no intention of bringing this vision to fruition. If the local authority is serious about implementing this vision go to the Netherlands where there are many such towns and cities that work very well and citizens enjoy living there. What are you scared of?
There are so many ingeius ideas that's olve problems in ireland. Train drivers who know what needs to be done to improve the rail. Engineers who know what would solve the sewage problems in the area...its just that these creative people do not seem to be involved in our system of deciding what to do and funding it. Which is very sad. Its always some stonewall beaurocratic minded dense twat who gets the job and with dullness and no foresight denies anyone with vision permission to even try anything. My whole family is mad into transport infrastructure and archetecture and I've grown up hearing about it all my life. But many stupid choices are made that make no sense to anyone. I hope some day we have more direct democracy that allows creative vision to be funded.
Your imagination and ambition is great but your ideas are very naive. Your ideas would face enormous objection and would realistically would never get off the ground. Developers would never take up your architectural styles as it would be too expensive. As for your community self development thing, it would leave vulnerable communities open to abuse by salesman developers.. You'd get them coming into old communities with lots of elderly people conning them into putting their name to a proposal.
Building enough houses for those of us here today will require work like this; and high density means we’ll use significantly less land than if we continue as we are. And Limerick Junction is not exactly a centre of biodiversity…
I’m from limerick and this is a really great idea! Limerick Junction is such a strange place, but turning it into a modern urban space would be very appealing to so many commuters. I think Limerick is always on the cusp so I leashing its great potential- but never actually manages to unleash it. Maybe the new Mayor system will help kickstart new ideas like this.
Brilliant to see you doing this across the sea - we're working on building a big new town near London which will hopefully one day be home to 500,000 people. It's honestly baffling that our regulatory framework makes this type of development more practical than simple infill builds and densification!
Which new town is that?
Im in London I’m interested !
Where is that mate?
will it have affordable housing?
Is it the one in Kent? Near Faversham?
@@its-eric Wennington, it's between Havering and Thurrock. Early stages, Labour NEC are favourable.
I love such high quality content coming from Ireland! Keep it up! :)
Looks beautiful! Traditional architecture is the way!
Not seeing any traditional archetechture here?
Recreating fussy historic-style architecture in the current era? That's regarded as a thoroughly naff idea in the design world!
Amazing model and design work as always!
As a civil engineering student, I love this
Like the variation in architecture between neighbouring houses look organic. Also, good to acknowledge the need for training future Tipp hurlers
Love these videos, keep up the good work 👏🏾
I’m liking the progression of this series!
I question the value of restricting street-level spaces further away from the station from non-residential uses, rather than allowing them, & letting them be used as non-residential spaces even if for non-commercial purposes. Allowing them to be live-work units would be another way to diversify the street, economy & offerings. I’m also curious to understand some of the policies of Ireland that influence how well this area will live. I really appreciate the info about local vs National government, as an American. Please continue to explore & share these as it’s often different from our experience.
Thanks. Agree with you that we needn’t have restricted usage further away from the station, not sure why we did that!
an absolutely fascinating deep-dive video with amazing examples of potential best practice! bravo
Amazing video, there's a lot of urban planning channels out there but you've done it from a unique angle. Awesome stuff and really appreciate the design of the buildings. Roofs help aesthetics so much in comparison to flat roofs
Also what program did you use to built the suggested development
Glad you enjoyed it. We use Sketch Up and Twin Motion
A great day when you upload! Please keep the vids coming!
Amazing work, love that you included beauty. And supported traditional architecture!!
That's a beautiful plan.
One feature Ireland's pedestrian streets need is protection from the rain. Could be integrated well if planned from the beginning. You see this is cities like Malaga is Spain, but there they do it to block the sun in summer. Life in Ireland would be improved immeasurable if we put a roof over our urban areas once and for all.
For a development that small, all of the parking could be located on the outside edge, and all of the internal streets could be pedestrianized.
Great video again.
Beautiful! Mixed use buildings are great to create communities and great places to live. Ireland has far enough dormitories.
A very forward thinking approach to housing. I hope it is a success.
I really enjoy this channel. It’s great to see it grow. Who knows maybe at some point crowd funding could be used to demonstrate on a small level a single building using the architecture principals outlined to demonstrate the ideas to the broader public and promote the idea :) I love the human scale design, the use of architecture that is largely vernacular - ie. the arcades to cover from rain
It's nice to see you included beauty in your vision. In Ireland it seems we only care about building modernist architecture nowadays rather than beautiful buildings.
If there are going to be projects like this nationwide, I believe that nothing should be allowed to be built on abandoned railway lines so that they can be preserved for future restoration and thus, more TOD.
Very beautiful! It looks great and I see you have thought of this (the colonnades, and apts look great) but for a lot of development in Ireland/UK, I see a lot of plans that imagine year round sunshine (everything looks better in the sun). I wish planners would develop aesthetics with grey/rainy/overcast weather in mind (which is also beautiful when done right).
This looks great! Well made and brilliant idea :)
Unfortunately a place like this would cost about 3K for a single room in Ireland.
Somehow I had never considered the amount of trains Limerick Junction has, I always just took the name at face value, but it would absolutely make sense for a tod to be making use of the station
I really appreciate the conceptual design work you're doing here, while it might not come about it's definitely helping to visualise what alternative development could be like that aren't just big blocks and semi-d suburbs, though with how baltic cold the junction can get, a good set of trees and streets oriented away from prevailing winds might be needed to stop a wind tunnel effect from taking hold.
While on the topic of railways, any chance of a skim over what could be done to connect the effectively 2 sets of rail lines in the country?
Love it. Classical design is the way to go . You have obviously been to Poundbury. However the current treatment plant only has a capacity for 500 people. Don't know if the river its discharging to could take anymore.
Haven’t been but keen to visit!
Love the video and idea. I’m from close to Tipp Town and now living abroad. I often think that the potential of the area is so incredible. I’d love to see more of this happen at home, because Ireland as a country has so much potential if we could only see it ourselves. With progressive thinking and ideas like this we could have a quality of life similar to the Nordic countries. Untimely though, it doesn’t happen and and for some reason we don’t believe we can achieve that as a country. Sometimes I find it’s sad to look at Ireland from the outside and see us continue to pay for our issues with plane loads of young people to Australia. I hope things are changing. Great video, keep up the good work ☺️
Thanks a lot
Great video. Missed opportunity for Cork.
This is what they should have done in Dublin Docklands instead of ugly empty office buildings
I wish you all the best in realising this development. I find the proposal very attractive. It also provides the solution to an intense need for more housing. Naming the streets after trees anchors the necessity for greenery into the urban context. I would invite you to come to Munich, where you can see your visualisation in real life. Visit Neuhausen (my home), Lehel or Haidhausen to view exactly your vision. I have a theory that dwellinghouses and trees must coexist and relate to each other. The correct size for a house is the grown up size of a linden tree. This interaction is in my view one of the major reasons for Munich's immense attractiveness. In many surveys (e.g. Mercer's quality of living), we are well up the list of sought after places to live. You need to get your mayoral devolution model right - in Munich, the state still has too much say in strictly urban affairs (e.g. new tramlines).
Thanks for the great perspective. Munich is indeed beautiful, I was in Freiburg recently also, very beautiful
@@polysee We are built to a very high density, but still retain a strong urban flair and we have lots of trees. Our buildings are built to a design code. English cities have a chaotic, unnerving architecture and their suburbs remind me of Russian Dacha colonies (= allotments).
Wonderful!
I'm from near Ballybrophy station. One of the highest use train station/junctions in Ireland that is not even a village. Would love to see TOD proposal for there!
I like that you chose a modern architecture with ideas of historism.This is a community I´d like to live in. Many tranditionalist videos advocate against modern architecture and then show super ornated palaces and aristocrate houses as a positive example, while they ignore how unaffordable this would be for mass housing.
Incredible lads, you're doing incredible work here. To me, this is the first time for Ireland that current and future mainstream voters won't need to be nerds/hobbyists to put into words their opinions on planning, which, if your ideas can take root, will hopefully will lead to a strong, unified voice on the issue soon. And your proposals are so palatable (great visuals) and readily consumable (on TH-cam as opposed to a blog or a planning authority whitepaper) that the message has a great chance of being broadcast. How to grow from 30k views per video to 300k though is the question, and perhaps more importantly, how not to lose people/create a calcified resistance to the ideas along the way?
There must be some crossover with the blindboy audience here (or pople who watch your content and know him personally), if he were to discuss/collab with you guys on your channel/ideas and the mainstream public warms to your ideas in the same way I have, it could be a paradigm shift for our state. I know he can divide opinion in some circles though, which I would imagine is the last thing your ideas need (organic resistance).
BTW, what's going on in the psyche of Limerick people that they've created possibly the strongest hurling team ever, birthed Munster rugby, now they're leading the way in making our country more habitable, and a masked Limerick man is driving the national conversation in so many other areas? Limerick people should be proud and I have to admit I'm envious as a Galway person.
Love the channel. What software is used for creating the virtual models?
05:10
"the number of parking spaces would remain a matter for designers"
off street yes, but why include any on street parking spaces at all?
Limited on street parking would be helpful for loading bays and disabled spaces, both for obvious practical reasons. It's also important to note that without heavy enforcement, in the absence of loading bays you'd see couriers etc block roadways as their schedule wouldn't allow for other options.
@@cros13
i agree that those would perhaps be the only two reasonable exceptions
(but what i'm getting at is that watching/listening to the video, the proposed plan appears to favour the status quo, in this regard... in other words, it does not seem to include emulating e g Japan's combined mandatory garage certificate + ban on overnight onstreet parking in order to further curb traffic)
Heartbreak to watch this as I know it would be amazing but its just a pipe dream.
Regards a person living in Ireland.
aye sick youtube video recommend (new viewer)
Great idea and it's the perfect location. But times 20, at least. Annex the racecourse! Tipperary should have a city.
Like the ambition!
I really like this video and the overall concept especially for a place like Limerick junction.
However, as with every other infrastructure or housing project in Ireland it would be buried deep under years worth of environmental reports, consultants reports, funding issues, planning objections and judicial reviews to name but a few.
Great video, one suggestion, why not have the street names in Irish since this is in Ireland rather than England?
Most street names in Ireland are English first, since we speak in English. Having Irish names below the English names or English names being taken from Irish names is the norm. e.g Glennamuck road is from Gleann na Mhuice. The Irish name has a meaning, the English name has a pronunciation more suited to our day to day dialect
Why have a colonised mentality, are you not a proud Irishman? Why is it that mimicking English ways is the norm. All place names should've been reverted back to Irish a long time ago. I don't understand how this conservative argument about how its good because its the way it is now has any validity. Surely a channel like this which is trying to conceive of a new reality for Ireland shouldn't be held back by conservatism
@@ruairi5433 it's not a channel about street names, it's about urban planning. I agree with place names being in Irish first for sure. And I don't personally like the generic tree names for streets that are found multiple times in every english speaking country but the channel is about Urban Planning and creating a conversation in regards to improving that.
@@sundersquare Place names are a part of urban planning. If it wasn't why did Polysee see the need to change the name of Limerick Junction?
I mean, the street signs would be bilingual anyway, the names of trees wouldn't be difficult to translate
The BEST option would be high density MIXED predominantly making the best use of all the space ABOVE the station and adjacent areas which is what is done throughout Japan BRILLIANTLY🏆
The inner core being the station, then all around from ground level to 2nd floor in adjacent areas devoted to businesses, restaurants, shopping, with residential apartments 3-5 floor thereby preserving the adjacent areas outside to green spaces with a school nestled within.
No need for cars as everything would be within 5-10mins and street around the perimeter with just one UNDERGROUND car/bus terminal access street ✅
Cool idea but unfortunately Ireland (outside of Dublin) you really need a car to get places. As someone from limerick, it's a cool idea to utilize the train, but it only brings you to the city center, where none of the industry is. The bus system would to be steped up to bring workers to Castletroy and Raheen. Or adding a new train stop in annacotty, where a new park and ride is planned.
Can’t disagree with that, especially for somewhere so isolated. There would be cars here, though, and as we say the number of spaces would be a matter for designers
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on Adamstown, the much-lauded "new town" in West Dublin. A friend of mine lives there and I'm always struck by how it's reality is at odds with its initial proposal. It has turned into more suburban sprawl with no discernable town centre.
And then there's Cherrywood... A failure before it's even been started.
Adamstown has in the last couple of years had a centre of sorts developed, although it’s still quite car-centric and doesn’t acknowledge what it is Irish people generally enjoy about an urban centre. I would say Adamstown is exactly how it was planned; not ambitious enough. Vote FG/FF and you’ll get FG/FF policy.
WAnna get rwally crazy Replace the tram with a multimodal greenway trail. Using that as an addressable road
Having stood on Limerick Junction, it is like a place in Siberia! It is ready-made for some environmental living space. As long as the planning focuses on active travel and not another car place. We need a Lime Street in every city and town! Go for it!
Do you have a separate video for bicycling infrastructure? 🤔
#Cykelslangen
It's all good and nice, but just to mention that it would be better not to use sunny weather for the demonstration becauce nice and sunny weather is not the norm in Ireland and everything looks better in nice and sunny weather...
So just to get a bit better feel for the idea, shitty gray and wet weather should be used
Really interesting video, lovely designs. What was the rationale behind the 5,000 population cap? Given the superb rail links, couldn’t you potentially go much larger than that?
Thanks. That’s just the first phase, the presumption is this development would expand
I'd like to hear if you've read and have thoughts on the Clonburris development in Dublin?
A housing development within the Dublin suburban areas, planned homes for 23k, and connectivity through to the city centre intended via rail
That's actually just up the road from me. I drive past it every day as I live in Clondalkin near the park. It's very well located along the rail line which will be upgraded. A lovely mixture of development too and they've already built some nice open spaces. My only concern is that there isn't enough in terms of schools - two new ones were meant to be built nearby in Kilcarbery but have since got axed which will put great pressure on existing schools. Also in terms of buses there's only the L54 which passes by Clondalkin Fonthill station at present which connects with Red Cow and Lucan but really more lines are needed for others to properly use the station. Another thing is the cost of the houses there is very high but I guess that's everywhere sadly
Thanks for that. Haven’t seen that must take a look
A good idea but bear in mind that there are already almost 3000 housing units in the pipeline near limericks Colbert station.
Although a lot of people are complimentary of the architectural styles used here; it’s worth remembering that these styles are very hard to achieve nowadays using modern materials without well trained personnel. If you look at developments in Ireland using these styles they tend to look like a disnified pastiche rather than delivering the sense of consistency and permanence you’re aiming for.
One more recent success using these architectural styles would be Pounbury in the UK but again this town was built with high quality traditional materials by well trained craftspeople; both severely lacking in Ireland.
Thanks for the comment. Yes the 3,000 united around Colbert are welcome, but like a TOD here, are a long way away from delivery. Poundbury looks beautiful and the shortage of stonemasons and the like here is a valid one, something that should be addressed
Have you been to Poundbury? It just doesn't feel very real. There's almost an 'uncanny valley' feel about the place. It's also a weird mixture of rustic rural buildings in one street, a grand London stucco terrace on the next and then a huge Italian style piazza in the centre. It's a mishmash of styles that you just wouldn't find in a town that had developed organically over centuries.
@@ballyhigh11 Although I haven't been there I can get the idea. I wasn't necessarily saying that it is a success, in terms of consistent architecture, just that it demonstrates the skills needed to recreate quality so-called traditional architectural styles.
Having lived in houses from a variety of eras in Ireland (Georgian, Edwardian, Victorian and early modern ... a lot of flats😄); the patience and the quality of workmanship required to achieve good quality architecture from these eras and then maintain it is virtually non existent in Ireland.
And we see too much of this in Ireland already; espesially during the 'boom' era. fake mouldings and concrete Doric columns with PVC windows all looking like a country and western singers paradise, rather than an honest recreation that is sensitive to it's environment and surroundings. Imagine an entire Irish town of that stuff!
And who decides that this is 'peak' architecture or craftsmanship? I've worked in the conservation industry for a good few years in a few different countries and underneath many of these buildings were simply thrown together with whatever junk builders could find at the time. You can achieve so much more with modern materials, methods and styles.
It would actually be possible to build this but it would have to be across the road (N24) from the railway ( instead of directly beside the railway)
Great video, could development follow the model of the Garden City Movement, in terms of ownership and shared prosperity?
Thanks, I think the aesthetic we’re going for is quite different, but it probably shares the radical bent of the Garden cities
I adore TOD… however, how can you promise that people will only use the rail to get to neighbouring shops? Is Ireland already culturally rail-centric? I can see many people parking on a field nearby and driving to the next town for their shopping, rather than getting the train down… perhaps a parking area near the main road established for while the town grows, which then can be redeveloped into parkland (after a battle with residents) ?
Fantastic idea for an under-utilised junction
YESSSSSSSSS
Good idea, however the town you have planned would need to be scaled back or moved further south-west, as the Draft All Island Strategic Rail Review plans to instate a curve between the Waterford and Cork ends of the Junction in order to speed up journey times.
I think the Waterford->Cork curve will have to either skip Limerick junction station, or weirdly curve out towards Dublin and join the line heading towards Cork on the Dublin side; the station is just too close to the Waterford side of the line to allow you to add a curve of a reasonable radius into the station
As a resident of Ennis, where the council established a development authority (Ennis DAC 2040), your optimism of the effectiveness of such a body seems sadly naïve…vested interests are aligning to fight any progress that ruffles the status quo :(
Given proximity to both Limerick and Galway, and a fairly large grey industrial zone near the rail station, I’ve very much wondered about the viability of TOD here!
Interesting, thanks. Councils very weak in Ireland to push back against such vested interests. Would a strong Mayor for Clare help?
@@polysee not sure - imo it is an Ennis MD problem, a Clare Mayor would have a lot of pressure to develop outside of Ennis rather than continuing to pour money into Ennis. Politics is fun :)
Interesting proposal, but you never say what you think should be in the eastern part of the development. What would you put there?
But there's zero enforcement of any parking rules in Ireland. Every footpath will be covered in cars.
What's the Irish root of the town name? From my guess work I'm getting "town with a little bit of wealth" or "Cystine town"
Ballykisteen is an anglicization of "Baile Mhic Oistín" or home of Mhic Oistín which could itself be anglicized as "home of Mac Austin".
@@yermanoffthetelly ahhh, I was working under the assumption that it would have been "Baile Chistín"
I'm not a huge fan of greenfield development, especially when it's done because the places that actually need housing are refusing to allow it to be built, but if you have a rail station with that much inherent capacity, then this should've been built 20 years ago!
get these lads in the dept of housing and an bord pleanála now! 👏 let’s just hope that typical irish bureaucracy doesn’t cause this to take half a century to get built 😆
would Farranfore, Co Kerry be as good place for TOD?
Could be yes, airport to boot, there may have been plans already there we might look into that
Is there a playground for toddlers?
Why is there housing shortage
Large increase of population during short periods of time, also a lot moving into cities or areas with good transport links and the housing developments aren’t keeping up with demand
Low density development and an inneficient planning system that allows to many people to object to new housing developments.
immigrants obviously
@@mickeygraeme2201 Rise in single households. Dispersed rural housing, many in areas of low economic activity i.e holiday homes in connemara/west kerry. Influx of skilled labour for high paying tech industries. Vague/contary local and regional planning policies.
Meanwhile, in the USA, we could solve the housing crisis here by reclaiming about half the land used for empty parking lots. But we don't.
Directly elected mayor makes sense, but then you get to the question of strong mayor vs. weak mayor systems of government.
Only a single type of tree per street isn't good imo. No bio diversity so soil and other factors would need to be managed intensively.... Uniformity is beauty only in the eyes of HOAs remember? 😂
Thanks but the VO says a type of tree that features there, not the only tree
@@polysee Great. Would love to live in such a place.
Possible change to your model. Put in smaller cars to subliminally encourage people to go smaller. Would ease the parking and traffic issues.
TOD means death in german :D
'Promo SM'
Red Flag @ 5:05 why commission a report on mixed use towns from a country that has miniscule experience of such communities? The USA is largely car-centric and prioritises that above the varied needs of its citizens at various stages of their lives. To me that shows a local authority that has no intention of bringing this vision to fruition. If the local authority is serious about implementing this vision go to the Netherlands where there are many such towns and cities that work very well and citizens enjoy living there. What are you scared of?
There are so many ingeius ideas that's olve problems in ireland. Train drivers who know what needs to be done to improve the rail. Engineers who know what would solve the sewage problems in the area...its just that these creative people do not seem to be involved in our system of deciding what to do and funding it. Which is very sad. Its always some stonewall beaurocratic minded dense twat who gets the job and with dullness and no foresight denies anyone with vision permission to even try anything. My whole family is mad into transport infrastructure and archetecture and I've grown up hearing about it all my life. But many stupid choices are made that make no sense to anyone. I hope some day we have more direct democracy that allows creative vision to be funded.
Housing shortage? Hmm! Maybe it has something to do with all of the people in Ireland that aren't Irish and don't belong there?
Some excellent Science Fiction. A world where people want to live in the coldest place in the world
Your imagination and ambition is great but your ideas are very naive. Your ideas would face enormous objection and would realistically would never get off the ground.
Developers would never take up your architectural styles as it would be too expensive.
As for your community self development thing, it would leave vulnerable communities open to abuse by salesman developers.. You'd get them coming into old communities with lots of elderly people conning them into putting their name to a proposal.
People like you are the reason stuff like this in Ireland will never get done
What would you suggest as an alternative?
Our species cannot go on forever expanding at the cost of all other species.
100%. It's up to us to fight for what we need. It'll be a long flight, but a good one.
Building enough houses for those of us here today will require work like this; and high density means we’ll use significantly less land than if we continue as we are. And Limerick Junction is not exactly a centre of biodiversity…