I am just looking at different sock machines and just watched D & B sock making step by step videos yesterday and you could knit along with the video. I thought their website is excellent. In her video she puts the cable clamp on the knitting with the weight to sit closer to the top of the knitting for tension and not skipping stitches. You don’t have to sign up to watch any of their videos or patterns. You can also download and print any of their patterns, instructions and print them. From my research so far they have the most information available. I have made my mind up on which one I’m buying yet. Thanks for your video.
Thank you for your honest review. For the money, D&B should do better and provide full instructions with the machine. For those commenters slating this video, if D&B mislead customers into thinking the machine is ready to go from the box, that is on them, not the customer.
There are 106 videos on Dean & Bean’s TH-cam in 10 playlists to help setting up that cover yarn mast, installing needles, to bonnet set up, tension, etc -even crank a-longs. Plus they offer zooms. I have a Erlbacher Gearhart Speedster, a D&B ordered and I printed my own, they all -pretty much are the same set up
I would not compare those 2 machines for 1 but the most important reason. Metal parts are more resistant to 3D printed plastic. Watching the video, even the cranking mechanism was not straight in the axis but wobbles. We have have a saying that we are not that rich to buy cheap because you usually but twice. So conclusion made, will order Earlbacher.
@@darinakalinova2180 I'll take $40 to print my own along with buying all the needles and parts first, especially for never even seeing these machines before, instead spending almost $1600 on something I probably won't use that much. I didn't see her comparing them, she just stated they're the same set up. If it becomes a fun hobby I might invest in a better one later. It's just like a sample of what to expect for me. :)
As another Canadian who has looked at this brand I am so thankful you mentioned the customs fees!! That is super helpful I am so glad to know so if/when I buy eventually I can make sure I have the extra money for that. Also very thankful for how in depth you have gone on the extras and how the material feels, looking for information, etc. Thank you thank tou thank you!!
@uyegidgg probably true, but I also do not have the technical skills to know how to use and set up a 3d printer. I have considered buying the files to do it though as my area and nearby towns have "maker spaces" where people can teach you. It's just finding the time and being able to learn what to do putting a block in the process for me.
I don't have a dean and bean sock machine but have successfully used several knitting machines and one thing that I see you NOT doing is tensioning your yarn. I suspect that the fact that you are not tensioning your yarn could be half the problem with your stitches per inch varying a lot.
Hello from Mounds Illinois. I have an Erlbacher Gearhart speedster sock machine, mine came with everything that I needed, you can watch their videos to see how to use your machine. The curved piece is for lifting the needles. I add waste yarn before I take it off the machine. Enjoy your machine.
Mine is metal comes with a instructions book and tools plus there are lots of videos on the machine. Also there is a Facebook group that can answer any questions that you have. I don't know about the plastic version but the one I have was well worth the price.
No she's not. Ther are many videos that show the whole process. All you have to do is look up circular sock machine and you'll find them. Some of those videos I watched several years ago. Dean and Bean also has over one hundred videos that show the process.
Ah, optimism! I've been watching CSM videos and reading blogs for about two years now. Oh, yes, there seems to be a HELLUVA learning curve! In fact, it seems that buying a sock machine and expecting to take it out of the box and start knitting perfect socks right away is comparable to buying a piano and expecting to sit down and start playing expert-level pieces on the spot.
I think she was expecting it to be like an Addi or Sentro. DB may look like a toy but it's not meant to be one. Good thing she didn't try an antique. You're lucky to understand the parts list if it exists.
There is a super high learning curve to a CSM in general. Once you understand the basics you will be able to knit the tubes you want. It is a combo of weight and tension on both the yarn and from the yarn headed into the machine. I often rewind my skeins 2x before putting on the machine. You need it to flow freely. The ravel cord is for putting in between your waste yarn and project to get it off the machine easily. There are many moving parts but once you get it you will get it. It is normal for this process to take many weeks. You will get "the feel" of it and learn to watch the needles. I highly recommend you watch anything Jamie Mayfield puts out. She talks a lot about the troubleshooting and actual mechanisms. Maybe join a CSM group too and lurk there to see what you are missing.
Yeah, they have over 100 TH-cam videos to tell you the step by step. You don’t have to “go all over TH-cam” they have a channel, go there and watch. Sock machines in general are not the same as hand knitting and take time to learn. I’ve had my D&B for about three months and have successfully knit 6/7 pair of socks and 4 toys. For people who cannot afford $1,500+ for the metal machines or antique machines (just the machine, no extras) this it great! PS you need to lube your machine with the recommended lube.
@@debraraiche3327just search for "Dean & Beans CSM" on youtube and there'll be plenty of videos on how to cranck socks and how to knit a setup bonnet and stuff like that. I haven't purchased one yet but I'm about to do it the next few days. The videos are great :)
33:32 the tensions goes off because the weight needs to be near the needles. That's what the small black clamp is for. You take out the weight at the bottom, put the clamp around the tube near the machine to "close" it and put the weight back in so it can pull down the stitches. This needs to be done regularly to keep the stitches down :)
I'm new to this I been thinking about making socks for a very, very long time, and I purchased a sock making kit and am waiting for my other type.but thinking making a pair of socks by hand might be the way to go for me .I really can't wait to see what I decide how to make a pair 😊
I’ve never found many mechanical items will work straight out of the box. Keep practicing keep watching videos, it usually all comes together in the end with perseverance and plenty of patience. That’s what tea ( the British answer to all problems) 😊was invented for lol.
Thank you for taking the time to review your new CSM. I have debated the pros and cons of such a major investment and your review is very helpful. I knew there would be a steep learning curve as I have already taught myself to use a flatbed home knitting machine. Again, your review was quite helpful.
Thank you so much for the video! I seriously appreciate the honest feedback. It’s so nice to watch review videos that are not sponsored. I wanted to know exactly what you went over ie putting it together, getting gauge. I can’t believe there isn’t like a key telling you what each piece is. Thank you again great video! Glad you were able to crank some socks that you enjoy 😊
I am a satisfied Dean and Bean customer. I’m still figuring it out! You cannot expect to to just crank out a sock. Just like anything else you need to practice. Dean and Bean offers not only a free complete sock cranking course, they offer free Zoom meetings as well, not to mention many other free videos and resources on their website. I also spin and weave. Just because I purchase a loom or a spinning wheel, it doesn’t give me the right expect the company to spoon feed me the information I need to successfully use the equipment. Many people pay to take classes, or join a guild. I have many friends who are expert knitters, spinners and weavers. The have created patterns, taught classes, judged fiber arts contests and published articles. They didn’t learn their craft overnight. It takes time. I don’t think your review is fair. Your socks are beautiful! You figured it out! Congratulations!
I also would like to add, there is always something new to learn! My friends and I still take lessons and attend conferences. No matter how much expertise you have in a subject there is always something new to learn.
I disagree. For more than a thousand dollars you can expect a list of what the contents in the plastic bag are with a brief description of purpose. Any machine that requires assembly should come with assembly instructions, as a bear minimum. It should also give instructions to get started. Sewing machines and knitting machines come with owners manual. To create and charge such a price for a machine without telling buyer how to assemble is ludicrous.
I disagree as well. You should receive at the very least some basic equipment descriptions. This a man-made machine and not an art un-to itself. Many people including myself do not live in area where there is a quild or where you can get hands-on lessons. These machines are highly technical.
Good point! Yes, a manual would be a great help. Sometimes I forget that not everyone lives close to an area where there are finer festivals and guilds. You made some very good points! Thank you!
Very helpful and fair review. If you are selling items and advertising that they supposed to work out of box,you are misleading your customers. If you 'forgot' to include instructions manuals how to install things on your ' not ready to work yet' item,you are rubbish seller. Online tutorials are extras,but not the main problem solver. Some people doesnt have internet or computer at all. Yes,I know it is surprising, but also true. Planet saver and getting rid of paperwork? Lovely. Do instructions on the discs, flash,let them download from your website by giving your customers simple link. Plastic details doesnt keep as long as metal ones does,so it is clear that this machine is not for lifetime use. So,it is very important to know before spending such amount of money. Some angry comments are left not by objective mind but emotions only,which are not helpful in any serious purchases. Thank you for your decent review,really appreciated!
You really need to watch a ton of videos to learn what everything is and how to use it. It's not a quick knit-a-sock machine. It's a tedious learning curve and it takes time. I've been knitting socks on my Erlbacher Gearhart Speedster for about 3 years. I'm JUST STARTING to really be comfortable and proficient. Give yourself time to make LOTS of errors, LOL. You will get it if you keep at it...promise. Happy learning!! 🙂🙂🙂
Why do not use the tension mast? Please check your crank mechanism, when the hansle is down it makes a noise, if you watch the wheel (where the crank is attached to) it is probably crooked secured. The accessory, black thing with the screw in it: put it on your diy drill, put a empty cone on it and wind your yarn.
thanks for the honest review. I have been on the edge of getting one of these machines. I know there is a huge learning curve with any sock machine. To be honest the thing that bothered me most, is the wobble of the crank gear, and the noise as it got to the bottom with each crank. To me that abrasive noise at the bottom of each crank is the sound of wear and binding and not a smooth run. being plastic, that kinda concerns me. I think I will try and find more videos and see if anything is different.
Have you considered buying the 56 or 60 cylinder? Your socks would be narrower. They have very detailed information on their website. I have the UK Ashcroft makers CSM and find Dean and Bean’s you tube videos to be very helpful. The owner explains step by step what she is doing. There is NO DOUBT that there is a very steep learning curve attached to any circular sock machine. They require a mass of time, patience and perseverance. Also you must lubricate a filament machine with dry lubricant quite often and clean it to remove lint build up.
I watched part of your video and you mentioned that your machine appeared to only go in one direction. I just watched another video on sock machines and they stated that their machine can not change directions unless half the needles are not in use. Though your machine is a different model I thought it might lend a clue for yours. Happy Knitting
I have a D&B and while they have a ton of videos they are difficult to follow along too. They are broken down in too many short videos, trying to stop and back up as you try to crank is frustrating. Their website and the resources are all over the place. I had to search through the FB site to try to find any information about lub and such. This information should not be so hard to find. I find nothing wrong with this review. There should be a PDF manual, broken down in chapters...one stop shop. They could collect all the stuff they have sort of wrote up on the fly as they have developed the machine and put into a PDF that can be downloaded.
I have used a traditional Victorian sock machine and it looks like you have not threaded this machine correctly, the yarn needs to be threaded through the tension mast, this will solve most of your problems I am sure.
There are many step by step very clear youtubes that have been on the D&B site for the last year. I reviewed many of these TH-cams and also other youtubes on CSM’s for quite a while before I decided to finally order a machine. When you were pulling out the parts I knew what they were just based on the videos that I had reviewed because I am awaiting my machine. Maybe if people would take the time to review the Dean and Bean series of step by step TH-cams, they wouldn’t go through some of the frustration you felt.
And if I put the machine away for a year or two and D&B goes belly up, you tubes disappear as they frequently do, then how do I assemble it. Cheap play by D&B.
I completely relate to your experience. I bought a Erlbacher CSM (spent $2800) and had all the same experiences. Spent hours and hours trying to figure it out. Between trying to learn via a Facebook Group and a hodgepodge of TH-cam videos, I could crank a tube. There was no structured way to learn how to use the machine. No one tells you either at time of purchase about having to teach yourself and the high learning curb. Kind of a secret. After spending so much $ I really wanted to learn the ribber and how to do heels. By then, I said forget this mess and returned the machine. Didn’t want to spend weeks or months of frustration trying to teach myself how to knit a freakin sock, I could hand knit it quicker.
Everyone has a difference of opinions and it is their right to their opinion. Much like a favorite yarn, not everyone has the same favorite yarn. With that being said I have been doing a fair amount of research on these machines and have not yet placed my order because I am still researching. I have been emailing D&B along with watching the videos an reviewing their website for about 5 months now. There are things that some people like and things that others don't about many things. Not everyone learns in the same manner and I can see where some would want written instructions, others that can learn by video alone, and others yet that have to have theirs hands on it to learn. I have quite a bit of experience now with flatbed knitting machines and they are definitely not something that are easy to learn. I liken this machine to a flatbed machine where it takes time, practice and patience to learn! With all of that being said, it is just an opinion and a learning opportunity.
It's interesting that you didn't get an instruction manual. I just purchased a flat bed knitting machine which comes with a pretty detailed instruction booklet, and in addition to that there is a lot of info available online. I like this as a review of the experience of a new machine knitter because there is a steep learning curve that people need to know about because a lot of people might go into purchasing it thinking they can open the box, set it up and crank a perfect tube in like 2 hours, when in reality it takes a lot of trial and error at first to figure it out. If people watch your video and realize it's actually a new skill that they might not have the time to invest in, then that saves them a lot of money.
Also the ravel cord- put in waste yarn, do one row od waste yarn, then add ur main yarn. Once done, take ur scribe and just pull the ravel cord from the middle and it will seperate easy peasy
omgoodness, I feel you just saved me about $800 USD! I think if/when I get into sock machines, I'll save up and get an Erlbacher... D&B must be just assuming anyone who buys one of these already knows all the parts and how to use it... which doesn't make sense.
I don't believe you have this threaded properly. You have no tension on the yarn. Yarn should always be threaded up and over the machine not from the floor. This is what the yarn mast is for.
Thank you for providing your honest review. I was curious about CSMs but know they have a big learning curve. What I appreciated was how you discussed the costs and options. Even though a 3D printed machine costs less than cast metal, it’s an investment. I wonder how this machine compares with other CSMs?
In my honest opinion, i would get metal machine- the 3D looks wonderful- i just cant see it lasting as long as my newly aquired machne which is a 1914.
Better stick to hand knitting socks since you are having so much trouble with a CSM. There is a big learning curve with them. Doesn't matter if you have written instructions in front of you or not. I have a couple antique ones and each one knits differently. So I had to learn how both knit socks. Trial and error is what it takes to learn how to use it. Try buying an $1800 dollar machine that has no instructions. At least this one I can watch videos on their website. And this one is also affordable for someone who wants one for their own use. Keep practicing how to use your machine, you'll get your socks right. If you get that frustrated perhaps you should have not gotten a sock machine. They require patience whether they're 3-D printed or metal.
Well we have ours from the starts, probably the first 300 sold and still work like a charms... Mechanical brain is required for some and lots of practice for others no punt intended but we see B.S here... D & B instructions are great till the end revisit we say. Yarn thread plays a crucial role in ensuring the quality and durability of the finished sock.. We buy our real wool yarn from germany and crank away .... Good luck with your learning....
Thank you for the review of YOUR experience. You helped me a great deal and just saved me about $1000. I really thought I might enjoy a CSM and be able to use up my enormous sock yarn stash, but really don't want to invest so much time, energy and frustration trying to master this thing! I think I'll stick to hand knitting my socks. At least I know I enjoy that!
Thank you for sharing this!! I have been saving up for one of these....still sitting on the fence, but you now have a new subscriber!! I appreciate your honesty and the fact that you followed with your work on the machine. Very nice video!! Very helpful.
Does the machine allow you to make the heel and toe? Does homespun 2ply yarn work in these machines? I have only hand knitted socks so is it possible to increase and decrease stitches?
Dean and Bean has an extensive you tube channel - no searching all of the internet required. When you bought the machine, it came with a list of everything you purchased. Their website has extensive resources. They have step by step instructions on what to do even before you have your machine. Your lack of looking for information/knowing what you purchased is not a bad review of the company or product.
Having an owners manual is a minimal requirement and you tube is no substitute. There is no guarantee those videos will be there 5 years from now. A thousand dollar machine should come with assembly instructions etc that can be pulled out over time even if the company doesn’t make it.
Thanks for this comment. I’m trying to learn about these machines. I heard her say it wouldn’t crank the other way and was thinking “don’t you need to crank back to turn a heel?” So glad to hear it was probably user error and not the machine.
No CSM, plastic or otherwise, reverses over live needles when they are inside the cam mechanism - you have to raise about a quarter fully up before you can reverse. Plus if they shipped it fully assembled it would probably get broken in transit. I do agree it should come with assembly instructions though! :)
And that really is at the heart of what I was trying to say. It's not intuitive to just unbox and start using without watching tutorial videos and having instructions included in the box would help people get started at least.
The reason ur tension is tight and loose in deifferent areas is because. Ur not using the heel spring or tension rod(where ur lit is) if u use the heel spring the tension will be the same. Ur cake should b on the table and behind the machine
My serious comment is that companies should not assume that EVERYONE has access to computers and mobile phones. WE SHOULD expect full written instructions with our purchases. There are still areas which cannot receive connections to the systems. You just highlighted a serious failing which is becoming the norm. We need information and a checklist with our purchases.
Actually D&B would prefer that you start watching the training videos long before your shipment arrives so that you get ahead on the learning curve. All she highlighted was an unwillingness to use a website from which she was apparently able to use well enough to place an order.
Writing instruction manuals is a skill, it’s an actual job, that companies are not hiring anyone to do, and expecting their customer to deal with the lack of clarity. A link to a video is no substitute to a paper manual to can make notes on and dog ear and keep with your machine. Video instruction often skips over necessary information because they company takes for granted steps they shouldn’t. A manual writer would start with fresh eyes, have face to face access to company representatives as they learned the ins and outs, and be able to professionally transcribe their experience. Any company cutting that basic corner is highly suspect. I just watched a unhelpful colony video on a baby carrier and the only comment was by someone who said, “I’m a literal brain surgeon and cannot figure out what your trying to show us to do.” Amen.
Wow! I got an antique one from a friend and had to basically research everything! I can't believe buying a new one you basically had to start where I did!
Girl, I've only found the Dean and Bean machine web site a few hours ago, but I already seem to know a LOT more about it than you do. The things you haven't quite figured out in your video are baffling. When you ordered it, didn't you read up on what you ordered? What parts are included and what they are used for? Reading, clicking links, and watching videos prepared by the company doesn't seem to be included in your skill set.
Thank you for your review. I probably will not order a sock machine. I have only played around with the idea for 40 years. I see lots of leg warmers in your future, until you get the sock machine perfected.
I don't own a sock machine but I've been lusting over a Dean and Bean for some time. Even though I don't have a machine I know that the D&B website has extensive documentation available about their machines! You're just kind of living in the past and expecting an instruction book rather than online information. They even offer a free online class and it has modules on unpacking the machine and setting it up, identifies all the parts, talks about the cylinders, etc. I think your review is unjust as there is a TON of information available and you don't even need a QR code to find it.
I have a very expensive sewing/embroidery machine. Sometimes I don’t use it for a year. It came with a manual. I use it from time to time. I also have two Addi knitting machines which also came with manuals. Why would anyone spend money on a machine whose documentation on YT can be taken down ANYTIME particularly if the company should go under due to a bad economy or bad business decisions. Do they have a 100 year track record in business? No. And the decision to not include an owners manual is already one strike against them. Nope, won’t be getting my money. In five years they could be gone. Better take notes on assembly etc.
How hard would a set up instruction booklet be? I keep those handy for reference with anything I buy. That is a huge fail on their part....I hope this changes. I was seriously considering a purchase..... I think I will wait.
Yeah think I'll just stick to hand knitting socks. Thanks for the honest review. I couldn't justify that expense and totally agree ith such an expensive purchase I wold expect instructions! That is so poor of the company
Thank you so much for the review. I would love to get one of these as well but I might wait until they improve their instructions or customer service process! 😉
They have a ton of youtube videos that walk you through the set up. Sure there is a learning curve (as with anything new), but the videos are well done and FREE:)!
Their customer service has been excellent for me. As well as all the amazing videos they have. I’m happy I chose a D&B instead of the metal CSM’s that seem scary and intimidating.
search youtube for speedster cms instructions videos. it is a different machine but the mechanics are pretty much the same. There is a learning curve on all sock machines, unfortunately.
I am watching your review now. I really want to be able to knit, but have tried to learn a couple of time, ugh! I saw a post for the ERL machine which sent me down the rabbit hole. That one was so very expensive. I did watch a video from @SweetGeorgia though and she had the stitch dropping issue when she used the CSM and a yarn ball. She noted that you really need to use the cones. I know it's a different machine, but if you have not tried that, you might investigate that option. You have not totally dissuaded me yet on the Dean and Bean Sock Machine, but I am a little leary.
Thank you for taking the time to post your experience with this machine. Would you please detail why you do not think that one would be happy with this product for anything other than personal/minimal use? You made the statement but gave no reason for your opinion. This is vitally important. Have you noticed any wear on gears/cylinders/cams/ anything else in the time that you have been using your machine? Be specific. I'm very interested in any negative effects to the machine from temperature/humidity in different environments as the manufacturer states not to expose the machine or parts to temperatures higher than 100 degrees F due to the limitations of the 3D printed material. Have you noticed any decrease in performance or actual wear on the machine when cranking more than a couple tubes per week? If I decide to invest in a machine like this, I want to know if I'll still be able to use the 3D printed CSM in ten years or if I should have just saved up for the Erlbacher/Gearhart Speedster CSM. I must say, I read everything on the Dean & Bean site and watched almost all of the videos and I thought they did a very good job of explaining things. But I am an experienced knitter and very mechanically inclined so I may not be the average CSM user. I found videos from SweetGeorgia regarding the Erlbacher Speedster CSM one of the best videos out there for explaining the and demonstrating how all CSMs work. A vital thing to understand is the difference between 'gauge' and 'tension'. They are NOT the same thing. Gauge relates to measurement. Tension is a force tending to stretch or elongate something. You can create tension on the yarn in various ways with the CSM which will result in a different stitch gauges of fabric depending on the degree of tension applied to the yarn. Good thing to know, and an important thing to keep track of when dialing in your machine to get the desired result from the yarn you are using. I hope you will produce another video after you feel you've really nailed down using your machine - what you love (and why) and what you don't (and why). Thank you for sharing your experience!
A CSM has a learning curve. A steep learning curve. If you don’t investigate and watch videos, don’t expect to know anything when your machine arrives. To expect the company to hold your hand and tell you the curved piece you held up is a tool to raise the needles, or how to insert the needles into the cylinders is to be intellectually lazy. I know these things and I’ve never put a hand on a CSM or actually have seen one in person. I ordered one. A person has plenty of time to learn from watching videos. Plenty of time! I’m sorry you expected so much hand holding.
I see you have had the csm for a year…how does it perform? How is it holding up? Are you cranking out socks or occasional sock? Thx for any info you can give,
@@TwinStitchesDesigns I ended up purchasing a vintage AutoKnitter, but I am still wondering how people like and if they use this machine as much as they thought they would. Being plastic I thought I might think of it as a toy, not a working machine. Anyway, just curious.
Thanks for the review! I have one of these on order and am looking forward to it. Bummer that it didn’t come with any setup info! And good to know there is a learning curve, I won’t start with my most precious skeins lol 😅🙈
All these people bashing you for not looking at their website or videos to help you are ridiculous. when you spend that much money on something it needs to come with detailed instructions and list of what is in the package. You should not have to go searching! That is laziness on the company.
Agreed, it's funny to see all these people ganging up within the span of a few hours to spew venom (not all of them but some). This is her opinion based on her experience, if others had a better experience, then good for them.
Actually Dean and Bean offers many more resources than other fiber-arts companies. For example, when you purchase a loom, be it a table loom or a floor loom you don’t receive many free videos on how to wind a warp or dress the loom. You need to either pay for lessons, or hope that there would be someone willing to teach you the skills you need. There are many tools and pieces of equipment that need to be assembled.
Thanks so much for this video, it was very helpful. Perhaps the D&B and/or associate's time would be better spent producing/including a simple manual for the product instead of planting mean-spirited comments for an honest reviewer. It is a reasonable expectation to get a manual with this machine. It is lazy not to include one, period. Who wants to sort through lists of videos for answers? Not me. To the *** who told her to go back to hand knitting - wow! Looks like I will save for a little while longer to spend more for an Erlbacher (metal). For sewing and flatbed knitting machines, I have found metal components last longer. Hang in there Twin Stitches - you'll figure it out!
Have a question, nothing to do with machine. When you do scrappy socks, do you make a magic ball of all the yarns or just stop and start another yarn for the next color.
I'm wondering if this was shipped to you USPS or UPS? I know here in Canada we have trouble with UPS charging brokerage fees after the fact. Thanks for the honest review.
thank you for your real review. i also agree- that for $1000 you should at least have a complete inventory listing and a complete set up diagram and instructions. that would be minimum. i hope they see your frustration. it is my hesitation as well. have fun with your machine. i am sure it will get better and better. looks like you deserve some sock sets for future fun.
I would be soooo pist, at my self for buying this machine for over 1000.00, when I could buy a 3D printer, download load files and make it myself for 500.00. This company should be ashamed.
I'm thinking the extra yellow parts may be a different Handel? Also there is sentro attachments where you can use a drill to crank, so it could be something like that as well. Your right about needing instructions. You don't sell someone something 1k and not give any help. Lol but the socks look good and u can always frog and reuse the yarn, so harm. Really cool machine tho.
D&B's idea is for one to start watching videos and participating in the FB group so that once the shipment arrives you already have an idea of what everything is and how to get started.
Thank you I'm so happy I found your video I was so looking to buy this machine but will not pay for something that is incomplete I will learn to hand knit with needles, looms etc.
It's easy to see when people mobilize and attack in unison, it's sad to watch. I found your review open and honest, it's a very expensive machine for anyone to get and if you need to consult video after video to use it, then that's a failure on the company's part, not yours. The simple fix for D&B is create a user guide, include it in the box and then if you need additional help, the videos are there. To expect a new owner to immediate seek out help online on how to use a product is a bit silly, only the die-hard fans are going to think that's reasonable.
The more you expect companies to provide, the more the cost goes up. If you can order a machine online and make a TH-cam video about it then you certainly can watch a TH-cam channel on how to use the machine. I would think if you are going to spend over $800 on something then a little research prior to the purchase wouldn't hurt.
@@amandag5072 $800 is inexpensive compared to the cost of a metal machine. The free videos take a lot of time to film and edit and are very informative.. There are numerous books out there on how to use a CSM. If you can order a CSM online then you can order a book. The Dean and Bean machines are ordered through their websites, and if you can order the machine than you can go to their website to watch their videos. Not being able to look for yourself and then blame others is laziness.
Honestly I don't understand how you can order this machine, and not have any drive to learn how to use it. It's not a piece of Ikea furniture it's a machine. This is like saying, "I just bought a brand new car but no one at the dealership would teach me how to use it." I ordered one of these and I'm still in the queue to receive it but I've been watching all their videos to start understanding how it works and what I'll have to do to set it up once I get it.
Every car I bought came with an owners manual..When I am stuck on the side of the road I can look at it..Don't tell me I can look on the internet, I don't own a smart 'phone.
I understand they have many videos, however, for the money you pay, an instruction booklet of some kind shouldn’t be a hard thing to do. It is beautiful though. I hope you enjoy.
I was disappointed with this review. There is an entire section on the website as to what to do to get ready while waiting for your machine. When I ordered mine the wait time was 8 weeks. I feel this person should have done her homework as I know the current wait time is longer. Dean and Bean's website has lots of videos and awesome support. Needles are shipped out of cylinders to prevent damage and should not be left in cylinders when not in use out of the machine.
I cannot speak for other people, but I find it is much easier to learn from a video when you have the machine in your hands. Some of us learn by doing. Meaning you are not going to remember as easily as you would if you could actually participate while you are watching the video.
@@michaelinereed3946 completely agree with you, I am the same way trying to watch a video learning how to use a machine before you actually have the machine doesn’t make any sense to me but it may for others.
so it's okay for you to be disappointed with this review but not for her to be disappointed in her experience with the machine with the information she had available...hmmmm something about that seems very entitled and nonsensical
I don't know if you believe in "that stuff" but do you live in an old house? My mom and i watched this video and there were so many orbs floating around in your video!
don't you know that there are freely available designs with the same quality? because if it is as you said, it is not ready to use and the documentation was so bad, then you could use the freely available designs and pay for making it maybe max. 300 dollars
That was an expensive purchase & I would expect to have printed instructions included with the machine. I would contact their customer service requesting this information. Do they have a return policy if you aren’t happy with it? You definitely do not want to have expensive yarn ruined.
I bought one of the first D&B sock knitters and could not get it to work..I was so frustrated and did not wish to spend so much time trying to figure it out..I was able to return the machine with all original packaging for full refund minus the cost of shipping...I realized I much prefer hand knitting where I can do all kinds of intricate patterns anywhere any time..I am one of those who does not always have internet access, so written instructions are important.
I am just looking at different sock machines and just watched D & B sock making step by step videos yesterday and you could knit along with the video. I thought their website is excellent. In her video she puts the cable clamp on the knitting with the weight to sit closer to the top of the knitting for tension and not skipping stitches. You don’t have to sign up to watch any of their videos or patterns. You can also download and print any of their patterns, instructions and print them. From my research so far they have the most information available. I have made my mind up on which one I’m buying yet. Thanks for your video.
That's what I thought...did you buy one yet?
Thank you for your honest review. For the money, D&B should do better and provide full instructions with the machine. For those commenters slating this video, if D&B mislead customers into thinking the machine is ready to go from the box, that is on them, not the customer.
There are 106 videos on Dean & Bean’s TH-cam in 10 playlists to help setting up that cover yarn mast, installing needles, to bonnet set up, tension, etc -even crank a-longs. Plus they offer zooms. I have a Erlbacher Gearhart Speedster, a D&B ordered and I printed my own, they all -pretty much are the same set up
Ooo how did you print your own? Where did you get the files? My husband has a printer and we would love to do that!
I would not compare those 2 machines for 1 but the most important reason. Metal parts are more resistant to 3D printed plastic. Watching the video, even the cranking mechanism was not straight in the axis but wobbles. We have have a saying that we are not that rich to buy cheap because you usually but twice. So conclusion made, will order Earlbacher.
@@darinakalinova2180 I'll take $40 to print my own along with buying all the needles and parts first, especially for never even seeing these machines before, instead spending almost $1600 on something I probably won't use that much. I didn't see her comparing them, she just stated they're the same set up. If it becomes a fun hobby I might invest in a better one later. It's just like a sample of what to expect for me. :)
@@emilymiller40 Thingiverse. It was my first big print! With the needles, bolts, filament and spring it was about $40ish dollars.
Thanks for this video - very informative!
As another Canadian who has looked at this brand I am so thankful you mentioned the customs fees!! That is super helpful I am so glad to know so if/when I buy eventually I can make sure I have the extra money for that.
Also very thankful for how in depth you have gone on the extras and how the material feels, looking for information, etc. Thank you thank tou thank you!!
You are so welcome!
It would cost you less money to buy a 3d printer and print one yourself
@uyegidgg probably true, but I also do not have the technical skills to know how to use and set up a 3d printer. I have considered buying the files to do it though as my area and nearby towns have "maker spaces" where people can teach you. It's just finding the time and being able to learn what to do putting a block in the process for me.
I don't have a dean and bean sock machine but have successfully used several knitting machines and one thing that I see you NOT doing is tensioning your yarn. I suspect that the fact that you are not tensioning your yarn could be half the problem with your stitches per inch varying a lot.
Hello from Mounds Illinois. I have an Erlbacher Gearhart speedster sock machine, mine came with everything that I needed, you can watch their videos to see how to use your machine. The curved piece is for lifting the needles. I add waste yarn before I take it off the machine. Enjoy your machine.
I’ve been eyeing that machine but it’s expensive 😬 is it worth it as a hobby/gift/small market knitter? They seem like a good company.
Mine is metal comes with a instructions book and tools plus there are lots of videos on the machine. Also there is a Facebook group that can answer any questions that you have. I don't know about the plastic version but the one I have was well worth the price.
Thank you very much for your video, you are the only one TH-cam who has explained how a sock machine works from beginning to end.
No she's not. Ther are many videos that show the whole process. All you have to do is look up circular sock machine and you'll find them. Some of those videos I watched several years ago. Dean and Bean also has over one hundred videos that show the process.
Also, did you master your hand knitting on day one? Everything takes practice.
For proper tension you really should cone your yarn, fyi.
MY ADDIS CAME WITH MANUALS. No excuse for not having one.
Ah, optimism! I've been watching CSM videos and reading blogs for about two years now. Oh, yes, there seems to be a HELLUVA learning curve! In fact, it seems that buying a sock machine and expecting to take it out of the box and start knitting perfect socks right away is comparable to buying a piano and expecting to sit down and start playing expert-level pieces on the spot.
I think she was expecting it to be like an Addi or Sentro. DB may look like a toy but it's not meant to be one. Good thing she didn't try an antique. You're lucky to understand the parts list if it exists.
There is a super high learning curve to a CSM in general. Once you understand the basics you will be able to knit the tubes you want. It is a combo of weight and tension on both the yarn and from the yarn headed into the machine. I often rewind my skeins 2x before putting on the machine. You need it to flow freely. The ravel cord is for putting in between your waste yarn and project to get it off the machine easily. There are many moving parts but once you get it you will get it. It is normal for this process to take many weeks. You will get "the feel" of it and learn to watch the needles. I highly recommend you watch anything Jamie Mayfield puts out. She talks a lot about the troubleshooting and actual mechanisms. Maybe join a CSM group too and lurk there to see what you are missing.
Thank you so much for the recommendation
Yeah, they have over 100 TH-cam videos to tell you the step by step. You don’t have to “go all over TH-cam” they have a channel, go there and watch. Sock machines in general are not the same as hand knitting and take time to learn. I’ve had my D&B for about three months and have successfully knit 6/7 pair of socks and 4 toys. For people who cannot afford $1,500+ for the metal machines or antique machines (just the machine, no extras) this it great! PS you need to lube your machine with the recommended lube.
which machine did you buy? Which channel are you watching video on? Thank you
@@debraraiche3327just search for "Dean & Beans CSM" on youtube and there'll be plenty of videos on how to cranck socks and how to knit a setup bonnet and stuff like that. I haven't purchased one yet but I'm about to do it the next few days. The videos are great :)
33:32 the tensions goes off because the weight needs to be near the needles. That's what the small black clamp is for. You take out the weight at the bottom, put the clamp around the tube near the machine to "close" it and put the weight back in so it can pull down the stitches. This needs to be done regularly to keep the stitches down :)
I'm new to this I been thinking about making socks for a very, very long time, and I purchased a sock making kit and am waiting for my other type.but thinking making a pair of socks by hand might be the way to go for me .I really can't wait to see what I decide how to make a pair 😊
You can knit a sock in less time it takes to figure out how to use the machine. It’s pretty easy.
I’ve never found many mechanical items will work straight out of the box. Keep practicing keep watching videos, it usually all comes together in the end with perseverance and plenty of patience. That’s what tea ( the British answer to all problems) 😊was invented for lol.
Luckily for me, I absolutely love tea! 😊 and thank you for the pep talk, it’s getting better with time and experience for sure.
Thank you for taking the time to review your new CSM. I have debated the pros and cons of such a major investment and your review is very helpful. I knew there would be a steep learning curve as I have already taught myself to use a flatbed home knitting machine. Again, your review was quite helpful.
Thank you so much for the video! I seriously appreciate the honest feedback. It’s so nice to watch review videos that are not sponsored. I wanted to know exactly what you went over ie putting it together, getting gauge. I can’t believe there isn’t like a key telling you what each piece is. Thank you again great video! Glad you were able to crank some socks that you enjoy 😊
Thanks for your honest review. I have always heard it is very difficult to learn on a sock machine. That is why I never got one.
I am a satisfied Dean and Bean customer. I’m still figuring it out! You cannot expect to to just crank out a sock. Just like anything else you need to practice. Dean and Bean offers not only a free complete sock cranking course, they offer free Zoom meetings as well, not to mention many other free videos and resources on their website. I also spin and weave. Just because I purchase a loom or a spinning wheel, it doesn’t give me the right expect the company to spoon feed me the information I need to successfully use the equipment. Many people pay to take classes, or join a guild. I have many friends who are expert knitters, spinners and weavers. The have created patterns, taught classes, judged fiber arts contests and published articles. They didn’t learn their craft overnight. It takes time. I don’t think your review is fair.
Your socks are beautiful! You figured it out! Congratulations!
I also would like to add, there is always something new to learn! My friends and I still take lessons and attend conferences. No matter how much expertise you have in a subject there is always something new to learn.
I disagree. For more than a thousand dollars you can expect a list of what the contents in the plastic bag are with a brief description of purpose. Any machine that requires assembly should come with assembly instructions, as a bear minimum. It should also give instructions to get started. Sewing machines and knitting machines come with owners manual. To create and charge such a price for a machine without telling buyer how to assemble is ludicrous.
I disagree as well. You should receive at the very least some basic equipment descriptions. This a man-made machine and not an art un-to itself. Many people including myself do not live in area where there is a quild or where you can get hands-on lessons. These machines are highly technical.
Good point! Yes, a manual would be a great help.
Sometimes I forget that not everyone lives close to an area where there are finer festivals and guilds. You made some very good points! Thank you!
Very good points! Thank you for your response!!!
Glad to see this. If i ordered one of these, and there was no info, I'd be on the phone with my wild Karen waving in the breeze.
haha I don't blame you :P
Very helpful and fair review. If you are selling items and advertising that they supposed to work out of box,you are misleading your customers. If you 'forgot' to include instructions manuals how to install things on your ' not ready to work yet' item,you are rubbish seller. Online tutorials are extras,but not the main problem solver. Some people doesnt have internet or computer at all. Yes,I know it is surprising, but also true. Planet saver and getting rid of paperwork? Lovely. Do instructions on the discs, flash,let them download from your website by giving your customers simple link. Plastic details doesnt keep as long as metal ones does,so it is clear that this machine is not for lifetime use. So,it is very important to know before spending such amount of money. Some angry comments are left not by objective mind but emotions only,which are not helpful in any serious purchases. Thank you for your decent review,really appreciated!
You really need to watch a ton of videos to learn what everything is and how to use it. It's not a quick knit-a-sock machine. It's a tedious learning curve and it takes time. I've been knitting socks on my Erlbacher Gearhart Speedster for about 3 years. I'm JUST STARTING to really be comfortable and proficient. Give yourself time to make LOTS of errors, LOL. You will get it if you keep at it...promise. Happy learning!! 🙂🙂🙂
Why do not use the tension mast? Please check your crank mechanism, when the hansle is down it makes a noise, if you watch the wheel (where the crank is attached to) it is probably crooked secured.
The accessory, black thing with the screw in it: put it on your diy drill, put a empty cone on it and wind your yarn.
thanks for the honest review. I have been on the edge of getting one of these machines. I know there is a huge learning curve with any sock machine. To be honest the thing that bothered me most, is the wobble of the crank gear, and the noise as it got to the bottom with each crank. To me that abrasive noise at the bottom of each crank is the sound of wear and binding and not a smooth run. being plastic, that kinda concerns me. I think I will try and find more videos and see if anything is different.
let us know Please
Have you considered buying the 56 or 60 cylinder? Your socks would be narrower. They have very detailed information on their website. I have the UK Ashcroft makers CSM and find Dean and Bean’s you tube videos to be very helpful. The owner explains step by step what she is doing. There is NO DOUBT that there is a very steep learning curve attached to any circular sock machine. They require a mass of time, patience and perseverance. Also you must lubricate a filament machine with dry lubricant quite often and clean it to remove lint build up.
I watched part of your video and you mentioned that your machine appeared to only go in one direction. I just watched another video on sock machines and they stated that their machine can not change directions unless half the needles are not in use. Though your machine is a different model I thought it might lend a clue for yours. Happy Knitting
I have a D&B and while they have a ton of videos they are difficult to follow along too. They are broken down in too many short videos, trying to stop and back up as you try to crank is frustrating. Their website and the resources are all over the place. I had to search through the FB site to try to find any information about lub and such. This information should not be so hard to find. I find nothing wrong with this review. There should be a PDF manual, broken down in chapters...one stop shop. They could collect all the stuff they have sort of wrote up on the fly as they have developed the machine and put into a PDF that can be downloaded.
I have used a traditional Victorian sock machine and it looks like you have not threaded this machine correctly, the yarn needs to be threaded through the tension mast, this will solve most of your problems I am sure.
And if D&B had provided full instructions with the machine, it probably would not have happened.
There are many step by step very clear youtubes that have been on the D&B site for the last year. I reviewed many of these TH-cams and also other youtubes on CSM’s for quite a while before I decided to finally order a machine. When you were pulling out the parts I knew what they were just based on the videos that I had reviewed because I am awaiting my machine. Maybe if people would take the time to review the Dean and Bean series of step by step TH-cams, they wouldn’t go through some of the frustration you felt.
And if I put the machine away for a year or two and D&B goes belly up, you tubes disappear as they frequently do, then how do I assemble it. Cheap play by D&B.
Looks like a cool machine. I knit my socks on cindwood sock looms. It's not fast but I enjoy it
I completely relate to your experience. I bought a Erlbacher CSM (spent $2800) and had all the same experiences. Spent hours and hours trying to figure it out. Between trying to learn via a Facebook Group and a hodgepodge of TH-cam videos, I could crank a tube. There was no structured way to learn how to use the machine. No one tells you either at time of purchase about having to teach yourself and the high learning curb. Kind of a secret. After spending so much $ I really wanted to learn the ribber and how to do heels. By then, I said forget this mess and returned the machine. Didn’t want to spend weeks or months of frustration trying to teach myself how to knit a freakin sock, I could hand knit it quicker.
This seems so frustrating. You're so patient.
Everyone has a difference of opinions and it is their right to their opinion. Much like a favorite yarn, not everyone has the same favorite yarn. With that being said I have been doing a fair amount of research on these machines and have not yet placed my order because I am still researching. I have been emailing D&B along with watching the videos an reviewing their website for about 5 months now. There are things that some people like and things that others don't about many things. Not everyone learns in the same manner and I can see where some would want written instructions, others that can learn by video alone, and others yet that have to have theirs hands on it to learn. I have quite a bit of experience now with flatbed knitting machines and they are definitely not something that are easy to learn. I liken this machine to a flatbed machine where it takes time, practice and patience to learn! With all of that being said, it is just an opinion and a learning opportunity.
Thank you! Yes, everyone is allowed their own opinions and they may not all be the same.
I thought this was a good review and she was very nice about her review. I have heard it said to get a metal one. I think I will save up.
Thank you!
im amused about the whole pick up my needles and knit it myself, the ribber would be INVALUABLE think about hoodie cuffs sheesh.
Thank you for this video. I’m not willing to spend so much money for something like this.
Glad it was helpful!
It's interesting that you didn't get an instruction manual. I just purchased a flat bed knitting machine which comes with a pretty detailed instruction booklet, and in addition to that there is a lot of info available online. I like this as a review of the experience of a new machine knitter because there is a steep learning curve that people need to know about because a lot of people might go into purchasing it thinking they can open the box, set it up and crank a perfect tube in like 2 hours, when in reality it takes a lot of trial and error at first to figure it out.
If people watch your video and realize it's actually a new skill that they might not have the time to invest in, then that saves them a lot of money.
Hi Knitter, best of luck and welcome in the group. Have 3 at home. If you need anything, let me know. Happy to help . 💐
Thank you!!
Also the ravel cord- put in waste yarn, do one row od waste yarn, then add ur main yarn. Once done, take ur scribe and just pull the ravel cord from the middle and it will seperate easy peasy
Of course the needles weren’t installed. A. Installed, they could be damaged in shipping, and B. They have no idea which cylinder you’d be using first
omgoodness, I feel you just saved me about $800 USD! I think if/when I get into sock machines, I'll save up and get an Erlbacher... D&B must be just assuming anyone who buys one of these already knows all the parts and how to use it... which doesn't make sense.
This was a very wise purchase. You will have it for a long, long time.
I don't believe you have this threaded properly. You have no tension on the yarn. Yarn should always be threaded up and over the machine not from the floor. This is what the yarn mast is for.
Thank you for taking the time to give an honest review and your thoughts on this sock machine. 😊
You're welcome! :)
THANK YOU SO MUCH!! This review was so useful and helpful 😊 Now I feel like I am ready to buy a CSM and use it, because of you!
Thank you for providing your honest review. I was curious about CSMs but know they have a big learning curve. What I appreciated was how you discussed the costs and options. Even though a 3D printed machine costs less than cast metal, it’s an investment. I wonder how this machine compares with other CSMs?
In my honest opinion, i would get metal machine- the 3D looks wonderful- i just cant see it lasting as long as my newly aquired machne which is a 1914.
You are not using the yarn mast?
Do you have video of how you cut in for the heel and toe and the finishing stitches you do by hand?
Thank you, Julie, for the feedback. All machines will have a learning curve. Thanks for sharing some of the learning with us.
You are so welcome!
Better stick to hand knitting socks since you are having so much trouble with a CSM. There is a big learning curve with them. Doesn't matter if you have written instructions in front of you or not. I have a couple antique ones and each one knits differently. So I had to learn how both knit socks. Trial and error is what it takes to learn how to use it. Try buying an $1800 dollar machine that has no instructions. At least this one I can watch videos on their website. And this one is also affordable for someone who wants one for their own use. Keep practicing how to use your machine, you'll get your socks right. If you get that frustrated perhaps you should have not gotten a sock machine. They require patience whether they're 3-D printed or metal.
Well we have ours from the starts, probably the first 300 sold and still work like a charms... Mechanical brain is required for some and lots of practice for others no punt intended but we see B.S here... D & B instructions are great till the end revisit we say. Yarn thread plays a crucial role in ensuring the quality and durability of the finished sock.. We buy our real wool yarn from germany and crank away .... Good luck with your learning....
Thank you for the review of YOUR experience. You helped me a great deal and just saved me about $1000. I really thought I might enjoy a CSM and be able to use up my enormous sock yarn stash, but really don't want to invest so much time, energy and frustration trying to master this thing! I think I'll stick to hand knitting my socks. At least I know I enjoy that!
Thank you for sharing this!! I have been saving up for one of these....still sitting on the fence, but you now have a new subscriber!! I appreciate your honesty and the fact that you followed with your work on the machine. Very nice video!! Very helpful.
Does the machine allow you to make the heel and toe? Does homespun 2ply yarn work in these machines? I have only hand knitted socks so is it possible to increase and decrease stitches?
Dean and Bean has an extensive you tube channel - no searching all of the internet required. When you bought the machine, it came with a list of everything you purchased. Their website has extensive resources. They have step by step instructions on what to do even before you have your machine. Your lack of looking for information/knowing what you purchased is not a bad review of the company or product.
Apparently hers did not. Her friends weight holder did not have the rings. Maybe there is a problem in their shipping dept.
Having an owners manual is a minimal requirement and you tube is no substitute. There is no guarantee those videos will be there 5 years from now. A thousand dollar machine should come with assembly instructions etc that can be pulled out over time even if the company doesn’t make it.
You're not supposed to be able to crank the other direction without raising the needles. This isn't an issue with your machine.
Thanks for this comment. I’m trying to learn about these machines. I heard her say it wouldn’t crank the other way and was thinking “don’t you need to crank back to turn a heel?” So glad to hear it was probably user error and not the machine.
No CSM, plastic or otherwise, reverses over live needles when they are inside the cam mechanism - you have to raise about a quarter fully up before you can reverse. Plus if they shipped it fully assembled it would probably get broken in transit. I do agree it should come with assembly instructions though! :)
And that really is at the heart of what I was trying to say. It's not intuitive to just unbox and start using without watching tutorial videos and having instructions included in the box would help people get started at least.
@@TwinStitchesDesigns Have you been to the website recently? There seems to be a lot of videos up there now, I am not sure how old they are! :)
yes! instructions are VERY important! I would be so mad if I got that!
The reason ur tension is tight and loose in deifferent areas is because. Ur not using the heel spring or tension rod(where ur lit is) if u use the heel spring the tension will be the same. Ur cake should b on the table and behind the machine
I agree with you Julieanne, I would need full instructions and what the extras for.
Thanks Fontrella !
Thanks for the honest review. I’ve been looking at this machine and I appreciate knowing what I could maybe expect if I bought one.
My serious comment is that companies should not assume that EVERYONE has access to computers and mobile phones. WE SHOULD expect full written instructions with our purchases. There are still areas which cannot receive connections to the systems. You just highlighted a serious failing which is becoming the norm. We need information and a checklist with our purchases.
Actually D&B would prefer that you start watching the training videos long before your shipment arrives so that you get ahead on the learning curve. All she highlighted was an unwillingness to use a website from which she was apparently able to use well enough to place an order.
Writing instruction manuals is a skill, it’s an actual job, that companies are not hiring anyone to do, and expecting their customer to deal with the lack of clarity. A link to a video is no substitute to a paper manual to can make notes on and dog ear and keep with your machine.
Video instruction often skips over necessary information because they company takes for granted steps they shouldn’t. A manual writer would start with fresh eyes, have face to face access to company representatives as they learned the ins and outs, and be able to professionally transcribe their experience.
Any company cutting that basic corner is highly suspect.
I just watched a unhelpful colony video on a baby carrier and the only comment was by someone who said, “I’m a literal brain surgeon and cannot figure out what your trying to show us to do.” Amen.
Thank you for the review.
Wow! I got an antique one from a friend and had to basically research everything! I can't believe buying a new one you basically had to start where I did!
Girl, I've only found the Dean and Bean machine web site a few hours ago, but I already seem to know a LOT more about it than you do. The things you haven't quite figured out in your video are baffling. When you ordered it, didn't you read up on what you ordered? What parts are included and what they are used for? Reading, clicking links, and watching videos prepared by the company doesn't seem to be included in your skill set.
Thank you for your review. I probably will not order a sock machine. I have only played around with the idea for 40 years. I see lots of leg warmers in your future, until you get the sock machine perfected.
I don't own a sock machine but I've been lusting over a Dean and Bean for some time. Even though I don't have a machine I know that the D&B website has extensive documentation available about their machines! You're just kind of living in the past and expecting an instruction book rather than online information. They even offer a free online class and it has modules on unpacking the machine and setting it up, identifies all the parts, talks about the cylinders, etc. I think your review is unjust as there is a TON of information available and you don't even need a QR code to find it.
I have a very expensive sewing/embroidery machine. Sometimes I don’t use it for a year. It came with a manual. I use it from time to time. I also have two Addi knitting machines which also came with manuals. Why would anyone spend money on a machine whose documentation on YT can be taken down ANYTIME particularly if the company should go under due to a bad economy or bad business decisions. Do they have a 100 year track record in business? No. And the decision to not include an owners manual is already one strike against them. Nope, won’t be getting my money. In five years they could be gone. Better take notes on assembly etc.
@@mchevalier-seawell4438 there is documentation you can print if you prefer to kill trees.
I'm sorry but where are they getting their prices from!? That's insane.
How hard would a set up instruction booklet be? I keep those handy for reference with anything I buy. That is a huge fail on their part....I hope this changes. I was seriously considering a purchase..... I think I will wait.
Yeah think I'll just stick to hand knitting socks. Thanks for the honest review. I couldn't justify that expense and totally agree ith such an expensive purchase I wold expect instructions! That is so poor of the company
Thank you!
Thank you so much for the review. I would love to get one of these as well but I might wait until they improve their instructions or customer service process! 😉
They have a ton of youtube videos that walk you through the set up. Sure there is a learning curve (as with anything new), but the videos are well done and FREE:)!
Their customer service has been excellent for me. As well as all the amazing videos they have. I’m happy I chose a D&B instead of the metal CSM’s that seem scary and intimidating.
Can you do socks that have patterns like Christmas trees, for example? If so how difficult is this?
I love mijn B en D machine
search youtube for speedster cms instructions videos. it is a different machine but the mechanics are pretty much the same. There is a learning curve on all sock machines, unfortunately.
I am watching your review now. I really want to be able to knit, but have tried to learn a couple of time, ugh! I saw a post for the ERL machine which sent me down the rabbit hole. That one was so very expensive. I did watch a video from @SweetGeorgia though and she had the stitch dropping issue when she used the CSM and a yarn ball. She noted that you really need to use the cones. I know it's a different machine, but if you have not tried that, you might investigate that option. You have not totally dissuaded me yet on the Dean and Bean Sock Machine, but I am a little leary.
Thank you for taking the time to post your experience with this machine. Would you please detail why you do not think that one would be happy with this product for anything other than personal/minimal use? You made the statement but gave no reason for your opinion. This is vitally important. Have you noticed any wear on gears/cylinders/cams/ anything else in the time that you have been using your machine? Be specific. I'm very interested in any negative effects to the machine from temperature/humidity in different environments as the manufacturer states not to expose the machine or parts to temperatures higher than 100 degrees F due to the limitations of the 3D printed material. Have you noticed any decrease in performance or actual wear on the machine when cranking more than a couple tubes per week? If I decide to invest in a machine like this, I want to know if I'll still be able to use the 3D printed CSM in ten years or if I should have just saved up for the Erlbacher/Gearhart Speedster CSM. I must say, I read everything on the Dean & Bean site and watched almost all of the videos and I thought they did a very good job of explaining things. But I am an experienced knitter and very mechanically inclined so I may not be the average CSM user. I found videos from SweetGeorgia regarding the Erlbacher Speedster CSM one of the best videos out there for explaining the and demonstrating how all CSMs work. A vital thing to understand is the difference between 'gauge' and 'tension'. They are NOT the same thing. Gauge relates to measurement. Tension is a force tending to stretch or elongate something. You can create tension on the yarn in various ways with the CSM which will result in a different stitch gauges of fabric depending on the degree of tension applied to the yarn. Good thing to know, and an important thing to keep track of when dialing in your machine to get the desired result from the yarn you are using. I hope you will produce another video after you feel you've really nailed down using your machine - what you love (and why) and what you don't (and why). Thank you for sharing your experience!
A CSM has a learning curve. A steep learning curve. If you don’t investigate and watch videos, don’t expect to know anything when your machine arrives. To expect the company to hold your hand and tell you the curved piece you held up is a tool to raise the needles, or how to insert the needles into the cylinders is to be intellectually lazy. I know these things and I’ve never put a hand on a CSM or actually have seen one in person. I ordered one. A person has plenty of time to learn from watching videos. Plenty of time! I’m sorry you expected so much hand holding.
Thats nuts to have to pay so much customs!! God bless you! I will sub so i can see how it works
I see you have had the csm for a year…how does it perform? How is it holding up? Are you cranking out socks or occasional sock? Thx for any info you can give,
I'm honestly thinking about doing a follow up video with my thoughts after using it all this time.
@@TwinStitchesDesigns I ended up purchasing a vintage AutoKnitter, but I am still wondering how people like and if they use this machine as much as they thought they would. Being plastic I thought I might think of it as a toy, not a working machine. Anyway, just curious.
Thanks for the review! I have one of these on order and am looking forward to it. Bummer that it didn’t come with any setup info!
And good to know there is a learning curve, I won’t start with my most precious skeins lol 😅🙈
This is the first clip I've seen where the socks shown, the last pair, are proportioned like a true sock.
All these people bashing you for not looking at their website or videos to help you are ridiculous. when you spend that much money on something it needs to come with detailed instructions and list of what is in the package. You should not have to go searching! That is laziness on the company.
Agreed, it's funny to see all these people ganging up within the span of a few hours to spew venom (not all of them but some). This is her opinion based on her experience, if others had a better experience, then good for them.
Absolutely!
100%
@@planty_knitty I agree!
Actually Dean and Bean offers many more resources than other fiber-arts companies. For example, when you purchase a loom, be it a table loom or a floor loom you don’t receive many free videos on how to wind a warp or dress the loom. You need to either pay for lessons, or hope that there would be someone willing to teach you the skills you need. There are many tools and pieces of equipment that need to be assembled.
Thanks so much for this video, it was very helpful. Perhaps the D&B and/or associate's time would be better spent producing/including a simple manual for the product instead of planting mean-spirited comments for an honest reviewer. It is a reasonable expectation to get a manual with this machine. It is lazy not to include one, period. Who wants to sort through lists of videos for answers? Not me. To the *** who told her to go back to hand knitting - wow!
Looks like I will save for a little while longer to spend more for an Erlbacher (metal). For sewing and flatbed knitting machines, I have found metal components last longer. Hang in there Twin Stitches - you'll figure it out!
Have a question, nothing to do with machine. When you do scrappy socks, do you make a magic ball of all the yarns or just stop and start another yarn for the next color.
I just start from a new ball :)
I'm wondering if this was shipped to you USPS or UPS? I know here in Canada we have trouble with UPS charging brokerage fees after the fact. Thanks for the honest review.
I get customs charges everytime I get an order through herschners delivered by the post office
thank you for your real review. i also agree- that for $1000 you should at least have a complete inventory listing and a complete set up diagram and instructions. that would be minimum. i hope they see your frustration. it is my hesitation as well. have fun with your machine. i am sure it will get better and better. looks like you deserve some sock sets for future fun.
Thank you, yes I totally agree!
That's why when you order it they tell you to watch the videos on their site before you get it.
I would be soooo pist, at my self for buying this machine for over 1000.00, when I could buy a 3D printer, download load files and make it myself for 500.00. This company should be ashamed.
What is the price and where we buy
Wow, not my experience at all with this company. Interesting.
I'm thinking the extra yellow parts may be a different Handel? Also there is sentro attachments where you can use a drill to crank, so it could be something like that as well. Your right about needing instructions. You don't sell someone something 1k and not give any help. Lol but the socks look good and u can always frog and reuse the yarn, so harm. Really cool machine tho.
The yellow parts are wrenches for tightening the nuts and bolts
D&B's idea is for one to start watching videos and participating in the FB group so that once the shipment arrives you already have an idea of what everything is and how to get started.
Thank you I'm so happy I found your video I was so looking to buy this machine but will not pay for something that is incomplete I will learn to hand knit with needles, looms etc.
It's easy to see when people mobilize and attack in unison, it's sad to watch. I found your review open and honest, it's a very expensive machine for anyone to get and if you need to consult video after video to use it, then that's a failure on the company's part, not yours. The simple fix for D&B is create a user guide, include it in the box and then if you need additional help, the videos are there. To expect a new owner to immediate seek out help online on how to use a product is a bit silly, only the die-hard fans are going to think that's reasonable.
The more you expect companies to provide, the more the cost goes up. If you can order a machine online and make a TH-cam video about it then you certainly can watch a TH-cam channel on how to use the machine. I would think if you are going to spend over $800 on something then a little research prior to the purchase wouldn't hurt.
@@twistknit1 A machine costing +$800 should already come with a full instruction manual!
@@amandag5072 They give you a QR code with the machine that links you to a library of instructional videos.
@@twistknit1 Not good enough. A QR code is no good if you don't have a smart phone! It's just laziness on the part of D&B!
@@amandag5072 $800 is inexpensive compared to the cost of a metal machine. The free videos take a lot of time to film and edit and are very informative.. There are numerous books out there on how to use a CSM. If you can order a CSM online then you can order a book. The Dean and Bean machines are ordered through their websites, and if you can order the machine than you can go to their website to watch their videos. Not being able to look for yourself and then blame others is laziness.
Honestly I don't understand how you can order this machine, and not have any drive to learn how to use it. It's not a piece of Ikea furniture it's a machine. This is like saying, "I just bought a brand new car but no one at the dealership would teach me how to use it." I ordered one of these and I'm still in the queue to receive it but I've been watching all their videos to start understanding how it works and what I'll have to do to set it up once I get it.
Every car I bought came with an owners manual..When I am stuck on the side of the road I can look at it..Don't tell me I can look on the internet, I don't own a smart 'phone.
Are you happy with your machine? Is it worth it?
I don’t have one of does machines, but yes I understand the frustration if there is no intrusions ( sorry)
I understand they have many videos, however, for the money you pay, an instruction booklet of some kind shouldn’t be a hard thing to do. It is beautiful though. I hope you enjoy.
I totally agree
I cannot ever think of spending that kind of money a 3 d printed knitter; it looks like a pile of junk sorry!
how long did it take to crank the tube?
Less than 20 mins ☺️
I was disappointed with this review. There is an entire section on the website as to what to do to get ready while waiting for your machine. When I ordered mine the wait time was 8 weeks. I feel this person should have done her homework as I know the current wait time is longer. Dean and Bean's website has lots of videos and awesome support. Needles are shipped out of cylinders to prevent damage and should not be left in cylinders when not in use out of the machine.
I cannot speak for other people, but I find it is much easier to learn from a video when you have the machine in your hands. Some of us learn by doing. Meaning you are not going to remember as easily as you would if you could actually participate while you are watching the video.
@@michaelinereed3946 completely agree with you, I am the same way trying to watch a video learning how to use a machine before you actually have the machine doesn’t make any sense to me but it may for others.
so it's okay for you to be disappointed with this review but not for her to be disappointed in her experience with the machine with the information she had available...hmmmm something about that seems very entitled and nonsensical
totally agree with you
I don't know if you believe in "that stuff" but do you live in an old house? My mom and i watched this video and there were so many orbs floating around in your video!
don't you know that there are freely available designs with the same quality? because if it is as you said, it is not ready to use and the documentation was so bad, then you could use the freely available designs and pay for making it maybe max. 300 dollars
That was an expensive purchase & I would expect to have printed instructions included with the machine. I would contact their customer service requesting this information. Do they have a return policy if you aren’t happy with it? You definitely do not want to have expensive yarn ruined.
I bought one of the first D&B sock knitters and could not get it to work..I was so frustrated and did not wish to spend so much time trying to figure it out..I was able to return the machine with all original packaging for full refund minus the cost of shipping...I realized I much prefer hand knitting where I can do all kinds of intricate patterns anywhere any time..I am one of those who does not always have internet access,
so written instructions are important.