I went from 28mm WG to 10mm PENDRAKEN MINIATURES because of costs and size. And for me it was the best decision ever. I love my PENDRAKEN minis because they are detailed and clean when they arrive, ready to paint. And the production and shipping is fast, the service is great. Whenever you have a question or problem, Leon from PENDRAKEN will answer within an hour. Love it. Thanks for the video, wish everyone a great time with this wonderful hobby, cheers from Germany 🎉🙏
I also have some Pendraken miniatures, they are very nice. I would have bought some Korean War Chinese at Britcon this year but already had so many projects.
I have played Waterloo three times now with the epic models. I use three bases for infantry and two bases for cavalry, apart from the savings it also men's that the big advantage of this scale, the massed effect, is not lost as if you use four bases for infantry the width in line is the same as 28mm! I have posted pictures on the Facebook page and when laid out they look awesome, to me.
I have always loved 28mm, but recently my fellow club member (Hull) offered me epic Napoleonic starter army’s at low prices which I could not resist. Really enjoying painting the epic scale, and can’t wait to play a game with them.
Great review, i painted one sprue i got for free with WI and it took me a lot of time, still not convinced if i should continue the warlord range or try out some AB metals. 'How to play black powder in 28mm' sounds a bit harsh. As a newcomer to the napoleonics your videos have been some of the best and most informative i have seen considering everything napoleonic related. I had so many questions regarding all the different unit types and formations and where what goes. You explain everything really well and the plastic kit reviews have helped me a lot with purchases. Keep it up
@wouthendriksen2259 thanks man! I can see where he was coming from to be fair, but I'm definitely open to trying new games, hoping to try out Soldiers of Napoleon at some point!
These figures look much better in person when they're painted than I thought they did from the box images. It's just so many guys, it gives a completely different look to individually based 28mm or 15mm imo. I have six French battalions painted since September (no artillery or skirmishers yet) and am loving it except for spray paint getting a rough texture and stepping on an Imperial Guard command sprue!
I also use figures like the carabiniers for Saxons , Russians and even Austrian cuirassiers. Hussars also work well for some other nations. I use the Guard engineers as Wurttenburgers, at this scale works really well with little work
I will be hosting four epic bug battle weekends next year, instead of two. They will be in March, June, September and November, dates will be out soon foball events which are fee to attend and have feed parking, food, drink and basic accommodation. All events are in Cambridge.
I'm nearly finished making the British Reserve Corp( Highlanders and Hanoverians inc) and a Dutch Corp with most of the Cavalry Brigades ,all on Wellingtons left flank at Waterloo. And D'erlons Corp and Heavy and Light Cavalry who partook in first days action right flank and all the Imperial Guard because you just have to. I must have a Dozen boxes for all this. That's a Years worth of painting at say 4 hours a night( late nights)
I prefer inches for all scales and typically scale measurements in rules to 2/3 so 12” becomes 8”. The Peninsular expansion is understandable, when the Austrians and Russians come, they will be much bigger investments by Warlord Games in terms of the number of sprues needed to be designed.
Suggestion ? Put all the skirmishes figures together on 4 per base x 4 to make them the Light Battalion as well as double as Voltiguers. Paint them in the blue trousers
So the epic event in March will be Ligny and Quatre Bras. The idea is to fight Waterloo on June with the real effects from the previous two battles, assuming the French are still a force.
@NapoleonicWargaming sorry this was in addition to the previous post. I'm running four epic weekends in 2025. The one in March will be Ligny and Quatre Bras. It wil be on different dates to under eagles and in Cambridge.
Sorry if the question's a bit off topic/outside your purview but i just wanted to ask for some advice. Some friends and I are trying to make our own sort of Napoleonic Wargaming system from scratch. Our case is a bit of an odd one, since the wargaming system is supposed to accompany a wider text-based Napoleonic Nation-RP (that's the best way I can describe it) and so we also need to keep into consideration the wider 'game'. Our main point of contention is time: we want to play out battles (in an accurate manner) but at the same time balance it so that these battles don't take 6 hours to resolve since in any given 'campaign turn' (1 week IRL = 6 months 'in-game') we'll have multiple battles to deal with. Do you have any suggestions on how to achieve this balance? Again, our situation is a bit of an awkward one but you're the main Napoleonic wargaming youtuber I know so I thought I might as well give it a shot edit: I should probably specify we're doing all this over Discord since we all live in different countries
I would go for half inches, I played quite a few games with both cm and half inches, and cm feels a bit short at times. Maybe have test before deciding for the event (looking forward to it). I prefer 4 bases per standard battalion for Napoleonics (the spectacle of battle as you said), but I use 3 bases for ACW regiments and it looks great too. Are you reducing the standard size of cavalry and guns too?
@scarfacejosh123 I'm lucky enough to play at a club so for 28mm usually we use full ranges on an 8 x 6 board. When playing on a 6 x 4 I reduce the measurements by 1/3
One intetesting gsctoid from our last Waterloo battle in September this year was that a distant descendant of Grouchy flew in from the Channel islands to the charge of some of the French who dud rather well. I hoping to recruit a descendant of Wellington or Blucher for the next event, anyone know one?
@nickhindley4295 that would be awesome! I know the great great great (great?) Grandsons of the Duke and Emperor worked for rival investment firms in the city at one point...
A lot is made of the "proprietory" scale. I have the full OOB for all three armies of the hundred days campaign and have minuscfrom minfigs alternative armies, Essex, Lancashire games and old glory and they all blend in very nicely. I think they doth protest too much.
@nickhindley4295 yeah, I did a live stream comparing my Essex, who are small 15mm tbf. I wouldn't mix them in a unit, but next to each other is fine imo
I like the warlords but I think width is too long, they should be half so you can do column of march, and even square. slight alternatives in march poses be nicer and artillery crew, rest satisfied
@lazojamal3118 there is a video done by the writer of the game, that's probably the best first stwp. I have been asked for a while to do a step by step how to play, and it's definitely something I'm looking at for thr new year. Welcome to the hobby, and I hope you have many years of fun to come!
I was interested in the beginning but now after the release of more british for a different setting it is not really for me. Could have done Austrians, Russians or even the other Nations of Waterloo, while british peninsular without french, spanish and portuguese are not doing much here maybe once they are expanding again outside the british focus but for now, the available 6 or 10/12mm models and going with Blücher is the more interesting option for the small scale
@kodosdh I absolutely agree. In fact I was looking st the hundred day Blucher set the other day. Very pricey, but I could be tempted... Luckily for the other nations, 3d printing (if you have access to it) has filled the void
@@NapoleonicWargaming I just recently bought the digital rules and going to print everything on my own (planning to go with models anyway) The problem with 3D printing is, if one has access to it, no real reason to even consider the Epic plastics any more as the printed ones will look better (specially piano wargames, he is going to be the next "Perry") and the 10 model stripes are rather inflexibile and 5 model stripes on 30 or 25mm bases work better, so you can print units and command as needed (and some extra spare 5 model unit command bases would help a lot) Just sad because WG plastics would be more accessable, even if you had to cut the stripes in half, as most stores carry them But maybe we see Austerlitz or Borodino in future
So anything smaller than 20mm is 'small' but 6mm is different...? Why not just say 20mm and up is large, 10mm up to (but not including) 20mm is medium and under 10mm is small? It seems silly to call anything 18mm to 2mm (or even smaller) as 'small'. As 18mm is nine times bigger than the 2mms...nine times bigger than 20mm is 180mm and that's HUGE! That said, you summed up the reasons for the different scales well. Btw, I'm almost finished the ACW project, as regards minis, and will be starting Blücher with Baccus 6mm when that's done.
@davidbenton8775 yeah, I consider 6mm tiny I guess. I think you can use the same painting techniques on 10mm as 18mm, similarly 20mm as with 28mm. 6mm I think has it's own techniques.
@NapoleonicWargaming What about games played at even larger scales, 2mm and even smaller minis. Nano-scale? Isn't it simpler to put the centre of the nomenclature at 15mm and minis within 5mm of that? After all, wargaming minis reach down a lot further than they reach up from that size. Many gamers use 2mm minis, seven and a half times smaller than 15mm. I don't think many use minis seven and a half times bigger than 15mm. That would be 105mm minis...are they a thing, even?
I love my 18mm AB miniatures, but am happy the Epic Waterloo plastics are getting more people into the hobby.
I went from 28mm WG to 10mm PENDRAKEN MINIATURES because of costs and size. And for me it was the best decision ever. I love my PENDRAKEN minis because they are detailed and clean when they arrive, ready to paint. And the production and shipping is fast, the service is great. Whenever you have a question or problem, Leon from PENDRAKEN will answer within an hour. Love it.
Thanks for the video, wish everyone a great time with this wonderful hobby, cheers from Germany 🎉🙏
I also have some Pendraken miniatures, they are very nice. I would have bought some Korean War Chinese at Britcon this year but already had so many projects.
@m0ltke582 know the feeling...
Our hobby and the never ending pile of shame😉
I have played Waterloo three times now with the epic models. I use three bases for infantry and two bases for cavalry, apart from the savings it also men's that the big advantage of this scale, the massed effect, is not lost as if you use four bases for infantry the width in line is the same as 28mm!
I have posted pictures on the Facebook page and when laid out they look awesome, to me.
You did a great job explaining all this, as well as providing practical examples. Thanks.
Great video! Keep them coming. I love to paint and listen to your videos. Looking forward to next Napoleonic Figures. 👍
It was my comment, and dammit, I wont stop recommending the channel!
@@MrMajor1996 hahaha, thanks man!
I have always loved 28mm, but recently my fellow club member (Hull) offered me epic Napoleonic starter army’s at low prices which I could not resist. Really enjoying painting the epic scale, and can’t wait to play a game with them.
Great review, i painted one sprue i got for free with WI and it took me a lot of time, still not convinced if i should continue the warlord range or try out some AB metals.
'How to play black powder in 28mm' sounds a bit harsh. As a newcomer to the napoleonics your videos have been some of the best and most informative i have seen considering everything napoleonic related. I had so many questions regarding all the different unit types and formations and where what goes. You explain everything really well and the plastic kit reviews have helped me a lot with purchases.
Keep it up
@wouthendriksen2259 thanks man! I can see where he was coming from to be fair, but I'm definitely open to trying new games, hoping to try out Soldiers of Napoleon at some point!
I love this scale.
Painting the guys is rough, but I love the scale and size of battles.
@nehrigen yeah, I'm kinda getting into it now. Been enjoying painting some printed Romans in that scale too
These figures look much better in person when they're painted than I thought they did from the box images. It's just so many guys, it gives a completely different look to individually based 28mm or 15mm imo. I have six French battalions painted since September (no artillery or skirmishers yet) and am loving it except for spray paint getting a rough texture and stepping on an Imperial Guard command sprue!
I also use figures like the carabiniers for Saxons , Russians and even Austrian cuirassiers. Hussars also work well for some other nations. I use the Guard engineers as Wurttenburgers, at this scale works really well with little work
Im starting epic acw since I have already 28mm napoleonics. I think the regiments look very good on the table :)
I will be hosting four epic bug battle weekends next year, instead of two. They will be in March, June, September and November, dates will be out soon foball events which are fee to attend and have feed parking, food, drink and basic accommodation. All events are in Cambridge.
@nickhindley4295 damn son! Let me know and I'll 100% be at at least 1 of them!
I'm nearly finished making the British Reserve Corp( Highlanders and Hanoverians inc) and a Dutch Corp with most of the Cavalry Brigades ,all on Wellingtons left flank at Waterloo. And D'erlons Corp and Heavy and Light Cavalry who partook in first days action right flank and all the Imperial Guard because you just have to. I must have a Dozen boxes for all this. That's a Years worth of painting at say 4 hours a night( late nights)
I prefer inches for all scales and typically scale measurements in rules to 2/3 so 12” becomes 8”. The Peninsular expansion is understandable, when the Austrians and Russians come, they will be much bigger investments by Warlord Games in terms of the number of sprues needed to be designed.
Suggestion ? Put all the skirmishes figures together on 4 per base x 4 to make them the Light Battalion as well as double as Voltiguers. Paint them in the blue trousers
@Rusty_Gold85 sounds like a plan!
So the epic event in March will be Ligny and Quatre Bras. The idea is to fight Waterloo on June with the real effects from the previous two battles, assuming the French are still a force.
PSSST... using a whisper voice: " Use the Netherlands and Hannoverians's Divisions at Quatre Bras you need the Brits for Waterloo"
@nickhindley4295 epic event is September, it's 28mm in March! (And that's a free for all army wise!)
@NapoleonicWargaming sorry this was in addition to the previous post. I'm running four epic weekends in 2025. The one in March will be Ligny and Quatre Bras. It wil be on different dates to under eagles and in Cambridge.
Love my 10mm WoFun Games minis great for mass effect, storage and cost with the added bonus of no painting :)
Sorry if the question's a bit off topic/outside your purview but i just wanted to ask for some advice.
Some friends and I are trying to make our own sort of Napoleonic Wargaming system from scratch. Our case is a bit of an odd one, since the wargaming system is supposed to accompany a wider text-based Napoleonic Nation-RP (that's the best way I can describe it) and so we also need to keep into consideration the wider 'game'. Our main point of contention is time: we want to play out battles (in an accurate manner) but at the same time balance it so that these battles don't take 6 hours to resolve since in any given 'campaign turn' (1 week IRL = 6 months 'in-game') we'll have multiple battles to deal with. Do you have any suggestions on how to achieve this balance?
Again, our situation is a bit of an awkward one but you're the main Napoleonic wargaming youtuber I know so I thought I might as well give it a shot
edit: I should probably specify we're doing all this over Discord since we all live in different countries
I would go for half inches, I played quite a few games with both cm and half inches, and cm feels a bit short at times. Maybe have test before deciding for the event (looking forward to it).
I prefer 4 bases per standard battalion for Napoleonics (the spectacle of battle as you said), but I use 3 bases for ACW regiments and it looks great too. Are you reducing the standard size of cavalry and guns too?
With Epic 13.5mm scale, I like that you can use 10mm or 15mm buildings...
Hey Tim, what table size do you typically play and do you half your movements and ranges for 28mm?
@scarfacejosh123 I'm lucky enough to play at a club so for 28mm usually we use full ranges on an 8 x 6 board. When playing on a 6 x 4 I reduce the measurements by 1/3
Have a great paint job. 🖌
We like to use inches for strategic movement until within maximum fire range, then a smaller scale eg centimetres.
@ianharman9499 ah that's an interesting idea!
One intetesting gsctoid from our last Waterloo battle in September this year was that a distant descendant of Grouchy flew in from the Channel islands to the charge of some of the French who dud rather well. I hoping to recruit a descendant of Wellington or Blucher for the next event, anyone know one?
@nickhindley4295 that would be awesome! I know the great great great (great?) Grandsons of the Duke and Emperor worked for rival investment firms in the city at one point...
A lot is made of the "proprietory" scale. I have the full OOB for all three armies of the hundred days campaign and have minuscfrom minfigs alternative armies, Essex, Lancashire games and old glory and they all blend in very nicely. I think they doth protest too much.
@nickhindley4295 yeah, I did a live stream comparing my Essex, who are small 15mm tbf. I wouldn't mix them in a unit, but next to each other is fine imo
Love 28mm I have tried epic scale..
The jury is still out for me.
You do know all those lead in pictures of armies formed up were out of focus for the most part?
What brand are the Russians? Desperate to do Russians in this scale
@ovarystripe they are from a guy called MC Miniatures on 3D Wargaming. Put 'w epic scale' into the search bar and they'll come up
I like the warlords but I think width is too long, they should be half so you can do column of march, and even square. slight alternatives in march poses be nicer and artillery crew, rest satisfied
@@Myke... the prints from MC Miniatures are indeed only 5 wide for that reason!
Hey I’m quite new to your channel can u make a how to play black powder or what game is played please I would appreciate a lot as I’m new to like figs
Go back through his old videos and look for " How to play " he has done them all before
@@Rusty_Gold85oh ok thanks u so much
@lazojamal3118 there is a video done by the writer of the game, that's probably the best first stwp. I have been asked for a while to do a step by step how to play, and it's definitely something I'm looking at for thr new year. Welcome to the hobby, and I hope you have many years of fun to come!
I was interested in the beginning but now after the release of more british for a different setting it is not really for me. Could have done Austrians, Russians or even the other Nations of Waterloo, while british peninsular without french, spanish and portuguese are not doing much here
maybe once they are expanding again outside the british focus but for now, the available 6 or 10/12mm models and going with Blücher is the more interesting option for the small scale
I was hoping the interest in Austrians and Russians might have fruitfully turn into sales if they went for them ?
@kodosdh I absolutely agree. In fact I was looking st the hundred day Blucher set the other day. Very pricey, but I could be tempted...
Luckily for the other nations, 3d printing (if you have access to it) has filled the void
@@NapoleonicWargaming I just recently bought the digital rules and going to print everything on my own (planning to go with models anyway)
The problem with 3D printing is, if one has access to it, no real reason to even consider the Epic plastics any more as the printed ones will look better (specially piano wargames, he is going to be the next "Perry") and the 10 model stripes are rather inflexibile and 5 model stripes on 30 or 25mm bases work better, so you can print units and command as needed (and some extra spare 5 model unit command bases would help a lot)
Just sad because WG plastics would be more accessable, even if you had to cut the stripes in half, as most stores carry them
But maybe we see Austerlitz or Borodino in future
So anything smaller than 20mm is 'small' but 6mm is different...?
Why not just say 20mm and up is large, 10mm up to (but not including) 20mm is medium and under 10mm is small? It seems silly to call anything 18mm to 2mm (or even smaller) as 'small'. As 18mm is nine times bigger than the 2mms...nine times bigger than 20mm is 180mm and that's HUGE!
That said, you summed up the reasons for the different scales well.
Btw, I'm almost finished the ACW project, as regards minis, and will be starting Blücher with Baccus 6mm when that's done.
@davidbenton8775 yeah, I consider 6mm tiny I guess. I think you can use the same painting techniques on 10mm as 18mm, similarly 20mm as with 28mm. 6mm I think has it's own techniques.
@NapoleonicWargaming What about games played at even larger scales, 2mm and even smaller minis. Nano-scale? Isn't it simpler to put the centre of the nomenclature at 15mm and minis within 5mm of that? After all, wargaming minis reach down a lot further than they reach up from that size. Many gamers use 2mm minis, seven and a half times smaller than 15mm. I don't think many use minis seven and a half times bigger than 15mm. That would be 105mm minis...are they a thing, even?
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