The FIRST TUNING of my grand piano after 51 years - 424Hz to 440Hz
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This is a longer video that contains the full first tuning of my August Förster mod. III after 51 years of sleeping. The tune of the piano was really low and this was a big shock. Fortunatelly everything went well. I will need to tune the piano several times more in order to get a rock stable tuning.
0:00 Intro
2:09 Tuning
1:02:00 The result! - เพลง
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I think this is a testament to German build quality. It still sounds beautiful even after 51 years of neglect.
Awesome to watch!!!!!! Much appreciated!!
When you remove the mute, move it to the next string, saves time
Just learned that trick today. Happy tuning!
I love full tuning videos. this is the first new one since the "full concert tuning' I saw maybe a few years ago. Good job so far. (23:09).
wonderful... I adore piano and tuning! I often tune my upt
upright piano and start by note A central.
Amazing
Good job. Raising the pitch with require 3 tunings. A rough pitch raise tuning followed by two more fine tunings. I did my Kawai 7 foot grand using Piano Meter which is fantastic! I raised the pitch by about 5 cents, and it was flat when I finished. Of course. Any pitch raise will cause it to go flat. So I did another tuning and set the pins at 5 cents Sharp. It was still slightly under 0 ( 2-4 cents ) flat. But sounding very good. However, in checking the 10ths and 17ths there were a few strings ( including their unisons) that had gone flat. So more fine tuning. On playing some Bach preludes and fugues, there were a few unisons out, so I’ve been fixing these for about a week! Almost perfect now. I’ve worked SO HARD AT SETTING THE PINS and giving the note a STRONG WACK to make sure the pin is set. This is so important.
I used PianoMeter on a Kawai electric today, which was a unique experience! The middle octaves sounded beautiful but the bass notes needed a little manual fine tuning by listening to harmonics. PianoMeter will show you when they're all ringing happily, but also I had to drop the bass strings a little flat to get there. It went a little faster than normally thankfully because there are only 2 strings on the treble keys which is so much easier.
the tuning piano is my favourite interesting! hobby and work too! very beautiful
Wow sounds a bit like mine-it’s really meaty with a lot of clarity and always nuanced throughout the dynamic range!!!
I have af190 from Löbau and I love him so much!!!❤😊
I adore tuning to 440hz!
It sounds great! Very happy for you! Now you have to play everything that you played on it when it was not yet tuned... again! 😉👍😂🥂🍾
For the bass strings I also suggest you don’t use the rubber mutes and use the felt one instead.
Is this to protect the dampers from being pinched, or to give a clearer tone when listening to the beating/harmonics? Thanks!
@@Mark959 for me the felt mutes don't slip around as much, it's been much easier to use than rubber for me. Also if you lose one in a piano, it won't rattle
I'm a french horn player and I have 2 kids at a music school. The pianos there have never been tuned I think. I bough a tuning hammer and I'm in love tuning and repairing! But for me it takes so long to tune 1 octave 🤣
You got the same sound I do when I am just to the right of the bass bridge. I knew exactly where you were, and I don't have perfect pitch.
A Czech Forster from 1924? I was not aware that their Sudentenland branch plant was in operation that early. Pity it's not a Lobau Forster.
When I was 5 in school the Nun led a blind tuner in to tune the piano while the whole class kept quiet . Imagine finding all the tuning pins without seeing them .
Hihi... Imagine to see shape of the metalic laque after repeated tuning of a piano.
It is important to strike the hammer firmly, part of setting the pin.
Absolutely!
What is the name of the piece you played after tuning? Was it your own composition? Very nice by the way!
Hello, thanks. It was a random improvisation.
On the video I watched the top octave part to see the gentle pressure down on the hammer handle to drop the frequency . I just discovered that for my top octave .
Yes, you need to tune slightly higher amd the to push the pin little bit in the direction of the string to setle down the pin to get stable tuning.
Can you do a video like this but for upright? I want to learn tuning
Ihave a piano which is an upright one, and it's also tuned in 424,kinda half tone lower. All of its strings are basically its original ones, so I'm wondering if these strings might break during tuning if I wanna change the pitch to 440.do you think it's highly risky or it's a normal thing and I should not be afraid? Thanks in advance 😊
I cannot answer because I don't see and feel the piano. I don't think so that many of the strings will break, if you do it properly. The strings usually rust on the rail so it is good to loose tension a bit before increasing. Otherwise you increase the tension just on the part of the string between the pin and the first post.
Also think about the pin block. Why would anybody tune a piano lower - to decrease the tension on the pins. They can be really loose. So by increasing the tension you would get a forever out-of-tune piano. :-)
👏👏👏
My upright piano has been tuned to 419.5. I believe the tuner didn't want to go up to 440 in fear of breaking the strings. Do you think 419 Hz would produce a decent sound?
It's good for playing for yourself. The recording will sound off compared to 440, but fine when played by itself or with other instruments tuned to it. Only those with perfect pitch should notice.
My piano is 88 years old and was tuned in 1967. Maybe I'll try this. Looks easy.
The first hundred tunings are the hardest. My mentor taught me that and it was definitely true when I started tuning
Why don't you use a felt temp-strip ?
Hello sir, did you use one mute to tune all the keys? Which mean you tune strings after strings? Thank you. I put thumb up!
Hello, I use 3 mutes. Usually need two for the 3-chord. First I tune the middle string, then the side strings.
@@BohumirStehlik thank you!
I didn’t see the other mutes in the video. Actually i also got a new piano, and live in East Greenland , far away from any tuner. Do you think using piano meter, and tuning like you did strings after strings, starting from the bass, can be acceptable for a private home practise piano? Or it’s going to be a disaster? Thank you in advance.
What application or tuner are you using? Cheers
Pianometer
Love the video well done. Beautiful piano. Can I ask what is the app you are using and also the brand of tuning hammer?
Hello and thank you. I use an app called PianoMeter. And I have bought the hammer at Howard Piano Industries. Very good hammer for my needs.
@@BohumirStehlik I've been using PianoMeter and it's been solid. Sometimes the lower octaves still take a manual ear tune to sound right, but for the middle octaves it's fantastic.
What is the name of that piano song in the end
Improvisation...
Was impressed by the previous video. A little disappointed that you are not tuning by ear. But it's evident you've done this many times before. Good luck with your August Forster....
Thanks. As I said in the beginning. This is much faster for such a tuning where you push the piano so much up. And you can tune from the bottom of the piano. I get so much better stability. I did both on various piano when tuned quarter/half tone up and this is clearly way better... Also, today's technology is more accurate than the human's ear. Unfornunatelly. I tune by ear when I need a concert tuning. But thanks for your point. :-)
When you’re done with the first tuning, ( I’m watching only the first part of the video now) how flat was the whole piano?
I think something like 438hz.
@@BohumirStehlik sounds good, as you would know they always go flat. But they are mostly much better than they were! Do you do a few fine tunings?
@@BohumirStehlikthat's the same tuning as my grand piano 😂
I would rather have this piano than a new Steinway, this is my dream piano. It's pretty hard to come across a good one over here...
Buy one in Germany and have it shipped. It's not that expensive. Whilst I love August Förster, also consider Grotrian Steinweg, Schimmel and - especially - Ibach. There are also quite some August Förster and Blüthner grand pianos from the GDR times on the market. Depending on age and condition, you can find a grand piano between € 5.000 (pre-war, 1950 - 1960s) and € 15.000 (1970 onward).
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@@HS-wp5vb lmao "It's not that expensive"
@@lemau8458 A ship container from Hamburg to New York is around $ 300. Obviously, there's more than the price of the container, such as customs duties etc. But remember, all the German pianos WERE shipped to the US in the past and these costs ARE included in the price you are paying today. I still think that given the larger European market for second (third, fourth) hand German pianos, it could be cheaper to buy in Europe. Particularly when it comes to grand pianos, my impression is that the prices asked in the US are sizably higher than in Germany. (A GDR-made August Förster would be sold for $ 15 - 25 k, not > $ 40 k). A larger vendor will ship wordwide.
@@HS-wp5vb Thanks:) Im' from Croatia and here are bunch of those pianos, but it's very hard to find one in very good condition. Haha, I wish I had 5000 euros to spend on a piano
@@HS-wp5vb i prefer the pre war Blüthner, Ibach or Bechstein, also Förster for example. Even in the late 30s and 1940 were built wonderful instruments.
The post war GDR pianos often have not that beautiful sound. They are younger, ok, but the actions are in generally not Renner.
As was to be expected very nice result and superb tone 👍🏻
Did you ever thought about tuning your 1924 build piano to 432 Hz. As the 440 Hz tuning did not become common until more than one decade later (1939/40). For my 1938 August Förster baby grand I am seriously thinking about a 432 Hz tuning. I heard some comparissions between 440 Hz and 432 Hz and I chose the 432 Hz as the 'better', kind of more harmonic sounding tuning - without knowing which one is which before.
Definitelly. The piano wad built for 432hz. But I need to play with other instruments (winds) and therefore I need tk have the piano at least at 440hz. Otherwise I would choose lower tuning.
We’re you able to play the piano before this tune up? Did it sound horrible?
Surprisingly it played quite ok for the fact that it hadn't been tuned dor 50 years. You can find a recording somewhere here..
@@BohumirStehlik yeah I saw your video of the Brahms music from 4 years ago and that piano sounded amazing even without tune up for almost 50 yrs at that time! Amazing! How can it sound so good even without tune up for a very long time?
@@popoymotmot The piano was hidden in a corner, out of the sun and in a constant temperature and humidity. But the piano was half tone lower...
Pianos must not be in two different pitches it must be in the key of c the b flat is the vacuum cleaner note and the e flat is the dill note
My piano is tuned in 434 hertz
I've been tuning uprights recently and a lot of them are in 432. Middle C used to be 256 Hz and it was a popular tuning fork to have. I don't think anything is special about 432 like some claim, and I prefer 440 because that's what I'm used to. It's just easier to leave the relative tuning frequency where it is, and tune based on that, rather than pitch raising the whole thing. Drastically changing the amount of suspension takes a long time to correct. I worry about breaking strings too if I drastically changed the tuning frequency on an old piano.
Bom pianista, mas para fazer elevação tem uma técnica de subir progressivamente, fazendo o tempero central, 1 corda de cada nota e depois distribuir em oitavas, também 1 corda de cada vez e finalmente igualar as laterais, depois fazer de novo o tempero central e espalhar em oitavas , seguindo os intervalos sem rer o perigo de trincar a chapa. Mas valeu o vídeo, sei da dificuldade em se encontrar bons afinadores.
Is that Saloon Piano?
185cm
튜너기는 청각을 이용하고
확인하는데 필요한 도구로 사용합시다
My grand piano 435 hertz :c
But do all your medle part and then your Tribe soprano part and you laast part is the Bass note
And then go back to Your medle part
And take you your mute Strips one one of and tune one in line with your medle String and next your 3rt sting on your right
Trying it Fun Faster
Enjoy your work and good luck
Hello. Thanks for your point. It is really not the first time I do this. I don't use the felt tuning strip. It bothers me. I start with the bass section by purpose. There you have the biggest tension so it is the best to tune this section first and then move towards much more sensitive top part.
Such satisfaction being able to tune and then play. All pianists serious about music should learn to tune their pianos (especially by ear). Yes, with another pass you can get the tuning close to perfect. I could do with inharmonicity check for top octave. My hearing up there and with overtones is sadly disappearing. Lovely sound btw. What mic are you using for recording? Thanks for sharing.
Omg careful
Is that a baby grand piano
Saloon piano - 185cm long.
For your First time not bat
Do you self a Fawer bay you a Temperament strips a mute Strips
That will make you work very easyr
And faster
You The same with the Strips
What you do with your 2 rubber mute
Way I sed so
You Muted Al your outside 2 Strings
And Start with all your medle strings
It will make you job fun and Faster
And Start bay A 440hz
I had an upright that arrived very flat, hadn't been tuned in years and kept in a damp garage. The piano tuner managed to tune it to the correct pitch without the strings breaking, which said could happen, but some how went ok but didn't hold for long so got rid of it for a digital piano. always in tune!
just what the world needed another person tuning a piano on youtube. To make money??????
Use your ears
Are real piano is probably tuned this low
A mature ear and knowledge is worth much more than messing around with a crappy tuner. I am an amateur tuner, but I would be ashamed to hand over such work. Anyway, you can't tune a piano by starting with the lowest note and ending with the highest note. When done, it looks like it was tuned 10 years ago or more. I admit, you're not a bad player, but you don't understand tuning at all. Pozdrav zo Slovenska, presnejšie z Komárna.
Sorry, I don't agree. This is the first tuning so of course it will sound still bad. I tuned the piano 2 times more and since then it is rock solid. The next tunings were more precise. This is the safest and easiest way how to pull up the piano. The great positive of the tuning from the bottom to the top when rising the pitch up is that you tune the most sensitive strings at the end and you don't mess up so much the middle section when tuning the bass. I discussed this with several tuners, with my mentor (Steinway technician). Also, one of our tuners at the academy tunes from the bottom to the top by ear!
You probably haven't ever used EPT before. It is more accurate than your ear when setting the temperament. Nowdays I am using it for temperament and the rest I tune by ear - I think I make another video about that.
Pozdrav nyní zrovna z Německa...
@@BohumirStehlik Ak dobrý ladič poriadne naladí klavír, digitálny prístroj bude ukazovať, že je donrý. Ale ak to naladíš digitálnym tunerom bez toho, aby si prekontroloval intervaly ostatnými predtým naladenými tónmi, nie je isté, že vyhovuje aj k počúvaniu. Ja mám digitálnu ladičku, ale nepoužívam, radšej som sa naučil ladiť sluchom. Pozorovať si ručičku prístroja je také niečo, ak nevieš variť, a všetko robíš podľa kuchárskej knižky. Výsledkom bude, že navarené jedlo sa dá zjesť, ale nie je také chutné, ako po skúsenom kuchárovi, kto ho navarí bez knižky. Digitálna ladička je pre hluchých, a nie pre profesionálov.
Ideally to show the result after several fine re-tunings. Very good observation of @michaelsmith697
io conosco un pianoforte che è accordato a 425hz!! mmm.... voglio suonarlo!! I would play it...