Halfway through your last presentation I stopped and thought about the problem of Paul and I wrote down the following Paul said in Galatians 3:19 what is the purpose of the law? It was given because of transgressions, till the seed should come. The way it is stated these transgressions must have preceded the law. I see them as Genesis 3, the seed of the woman versus the seed of the serpent. And Genesis 6:1-4 the seed of the disobedient sons of God and Genesis 11 where they gathered in Defiance of God and in Deuteronomy 32:8 and 9 in the ESV he turned the Nations over to the sons of God, Angelic beings, and created his own Nation Israel. The way I understand the ongoing battle between the Creator God and the created God, God's adversaries, because of what was revealed in Genesis 3:15 Satan knew the seed of the woman would be his undoing and he set about to prevent the lineage from Adam and Eve from continuing , and through Abraham God brought forth the nation of Israel , a people God intended to protect to the end that it would bring forth the seed of the woman the Messiah. Because the seed of the other nations had been mingled with the seed of the Fallen Spirit beings the law was given to keep Israel from being polluted genetically, parts of the law were more governmental and held Israel together as a nation, but much of the law was for the direct purpose of keeping them separated from the Nations that carried the seed of corruption. When the scripture says that Christ fulfilled the law it is not just that he kept it, his death, separation from his father for 3 hours, paid our sin debt and his blood covered Israel's disobedience concerning the law. It was that it had fulfilled its purpose in keeping Israel genetically pure enough to bring forth the Messiah. This overarching purpose of the law and the death of God's son was hidden from Satan else he would not have allowed him to be crucified, Christ crucifixion was his adversaries on doing. The law and fully fulfilled his purpose and the spirit the writer of the law has come to indwell us and teach us all things Judaism and the Sunday Christmas Easter corruption have hidden the truth they totally misunderstand and obfuscate the teachings of Paul Paul had a direct encounter with the living Christ much the same as Moses did and many things that God had kept hidden since the foundation of the world were revealed to him. It was hidden from Satan that the death of God's own son would be his destruction. Christ will be a priest, not after the levitical order, but a priest and king after the order of Melchizedek. I would tie that in with Romans 8:2 the law of the spirit of life Part of this really came home to me when you covered your Bible with the towel mimicking the Veil and you uncovered it and said now the veil is taken away thank you for your earnest desire to comprehend the things of God as set forth in the scriptures through the power of the Holy Spirit within you, your efforts have blessed me immensely These are my deeply held thoughts on my position on this subject, whether they are from my fleshly intellect or from the Holy Spirit of the Living God I cannot be absolutely sure especially when sharing with others, I would appreciate your thoughts very much
Dear Joe, I sure appreciate your comments. I've been really struggling with continuing this series because I keep heading off into areas of theology that I think are above my weight class. As long as everybody understands that I'm just a regular guy on a journey of discovery along with everybody else. Regarding your remarks on Gal. 3:19, My understanding is that the explicit moral expectations of YHVH Elohim had to be written down so that no one would have an out. For example: I think a clever lawyer could get Cain out of jail by standing in front of the judge and saying "MY CLIENT IS NOT GUILTY! Where is it written that you can't murder your brother? The only law you gave humanity was the prohibition against eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And Cain didn't even have access to the tree! I DEMAND MY CLIENT BE RELEASED AS HE HAS BROKEN NO LAW!!!" The Torah had to be given so that all humanity could be found guilty before God (Rom. 3:19) Then once the moral expectations of perfect righteousness were written down the seething hatred of sin would be exposed in all of us.(Rom 5:20, Rom. 7:7-25) " It was given because of transgressions, till the seed should come. The way it is stated these transgressions must have preceded the law. I see them as Genesis 3, the seed of the woman versus the seed of the serpent. And Genesis 6:1-4 the seed of the disobedient sons of God and Genesis 11 where they gathered in Defiance of God and in Deuteronomy 32:8 and 9 in the ESV he turned the Nations over to the sons of God, Angelic beings, and created his own Nation Israel." In response to your above mentioned quote as well as your remarks on Rom. 8:2: My opinion is that Rom. 8:2 "The law of sin and death" began at the expulsion from the garden and "The law of the Spirit of life" began at Acts chapter 2. In the backdrop of these two pivotal events is the "Angelic Conflict" For me it is always helpful to remind myself of the unseen warfare that rages just outside our skin. I have very similar understandings as you have regarding the adversary's strategies against humanity. I have a playlist on my channel on Gen. 6 you might find interesting.. th-cam.com/play/PLz8qJcWh7VHk_rF8O_YhAuYI1vffXKDH2.html&si=_xdv9E9AcO7sz_oO I really like your thoughts on the Torah protecting Israel from corruption until the promised seed should come. "These are my deeply held thoughts on my position on this subject, whether they are from my fleshly intellect or from the Holy Spirit of the Living God I cannot be absolutely sure especially when sharing with others, I would appreciate your thoughts very much" In my journey with God I have learned to hold on to my dogmatic theological understandings more loosely. The certain "Sunday, Easter, Christmas." foundation of my upbringing has been completely ripped out from under my feet. That being said, there is nothing in your remarks that I would oppose. Trust that the purpose of the Holy Spirit is to guide us into all truth. He will continue to bring us into greater and greater light as we move forward. I really appreciate the time you took to write to me. YHVH bless you and keep you. Amen JIm
Great teaching Jim!
thanks Nick. sorry I'm so lame at getting back to your comments.
Excellent word!
Halfway through your last presentation I stopped and thought about the problem of Paul and I wrote down the following
Paul said in Galatians 3:19 what is the purpose of the law? It was given because of transgressions, till the seed should come.
The way it is stated these transgressions must have preceded the law. I see them as Genesis 3, the seed of the woman versus the seed of the serpent. And Genesis 6:1-4 the seed of the disobedient sons of God and Genesis 11 where they gathered in Defiance of God and in Deuteronomy 32:8 and 9 in the ESV he turned the Nations over to the sons of God, Angelic beings, and created his own Nation Israel.
The way I understand the ongoing battle between the Creator God and the created God, God's adversaries, because of what was revealed in Genesis 3:15 Satan knew the seed of the woman would be his undoing and he set about to prevent the lineage from Adam and Eve from continuing , and through Abraham God brought forth the nation of Israel , a people God intended to protect to the end that it would bring forth the seed of the woman the Messiah. Because the seed of the other nations had been mingled with the seed of the Fallen Spirit beings the law was given to keep Israel from being polluted genetically, parts of the law were more governmental and held Israel together as a nation, but much of the law was for the direct purpose of keeping them separated from the Nations that carried the seed of corruption.
When the scripture says that Christ fulfilled the law it is not just that he kept it, his death, separation from his father for 3 hours, paid our sin debt and his blood covered Israel's disobedience concerning the law. It was that it had fulfilled its purpose in keeping Israel genetically pure enough to bring forth the Messiah. This overarching purpose of the law and the death of God's son was hidden from Satan else he would not have allowed him to be crucified, Christ crucifixion was his adversaries on doing. The law and fully fulfilled his purpose and the spirit the writer of the law has come to indwell us and teach us all things
Judaism and the Sunday Christmas Easter corruption have hidden the truth they totally misunderstand and obfuscate the teachings of Paul Paul had a direct encounter with the living Christ much the same as Moses did and many things that God had kept hidden since the foundation of the world were revealed to him. It was hidden from Satan that the death of God's own son would be his destruction.
Christ will be a priest, not after the levitical order, but a priest and king after the order of Melchizedek. I would tie that in with Romans 8:2 the law of the spirit of life
Part of this really came home to me when you covered your Bible with the towel mimicking the Veil and you uncovered it and said now the veil is taken away thank you for your earnest desire to comprehend the things of God as set forth in the scriptures through the power of the Holy Spirit within you, your efforts have blessed me immensely
These are my deeply held thoughts on my position on this subject, whether they are from my fleshly intellect or from the Holy Spirit of the Living God I cannot be absolutely sure especially when sharing with others, I would appreciate your thoughts very much
Dear Joe,
I sure appreciate your comments. I've been really struggling with continuing this series because I keep heading off into areas of theology that I think are above my weight class. As long as everybody understands that I'm just a regular guy on a journey of discovery along with everybody else.
Regarding your remarks on Gal. 3:19, My understanding is that the explicit moral expectations of YHVH Elohim had to be written down so that no one would have an out. For example: I think a clever lawyer could get Cain out of jail by standing in front of the judge and saying "MY CLIENT IS NOT GUILTY! Where is it written that you can't murder your brother? The only law you gave humanity was the prohibition against eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And Cain didn't even have access to the tree! I DEMAND MY CLIENT BE RELEASED AS HE HAS BROKEN NO LAW!!!"
The Torah had to be given so that all humanity could be found guilty before God (Rom. 3:19) Then once the moral expectations of perfect righteousness were written down the seething hatred of sin would be exposed in all of us.(Rom 5:20, Rom. 7:7-25)
" It was given because of transgressions, till the seed should come. The way it is stated these transgressions must have preceded the law. I see them as Genesis 3, the seed of the woman versus the seed of the serpent. And Genesis 6:1-4 the seed of the disobedient sons of God and Genesis 11 where they gathered in Defiance of God and in Deuteronomy 32:8 and 9 in the ESV he turned the Nations over to the sons of God, Angelic beings, and created his own Nation Israel."
In response to your above mentioned quote as well as your remarks on Rom. 8:2: My opinion is that Rom. 8:2 "The law of sin and death" began at the expulsion from the garden and "The law of the Spirit of life" began at Acts chapter 2. In the backdrop of these two pivotal events is the "Angelic Conflict" For me it is always helpful to remind myself of the unseen warfare that rages just outside our skin. I have very similar understandings as you have regarding the adversary's strategies against humanity. I have a playlist on my channel on Gen. 6 you might find interesting.. th-cam.com/play/PLz8qJcWh7VHk_rF8O_YhAuYI1vffXKDH2.html&si=_xdv9E9AcO7sz_oO
I really like your thoughts on the Torah protecting Israel from corruption until the promised seed should come.
"These are my deeply held thoughts on my position on this subject, whether they are from my fleshly intellect or from the Holy Spirit of the Living God I cannot be absolutely sure especially when sharing with others, I would appreciate your thoughts very much"
In my journey with God I have learned to hold on to my dogmatic theological understandings more loosely. The certain "Sunday, Easter, Christmas." foundation of my upbringing has been completely ripped out from under my feet. That being said, there is nothing in your remarks that I would oppose. Trust that the purpose of the Holy Spirit is to guide us into all truth. He will continue to bring us into greater and greater light as we move forward.
I really appreciate the time you took to write to me.
YHVH bless you and keep you. Amen
JIm