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Kawhi played 60 games demar played 77. I say the raptors get the one seed in the weak east with those extra 17 games and demars last season with the raptors saw a 9.6 win share rate with kawhi having a 9.5 meaning he would’ve won just as many regular season games. This gives them the 1 seed which they were 2 games back of and you get a path to the finals that potentially either sees the 76ers choke under pressure as they also choke in a later round or potential elimination from another team.
As a Raps fan who’s gone back repeatedly to watch the 2019 run, I really appreciate being able to re-live this era of Raptors basketball. DeMar was always loved but watching him give up in the playoffs was infuriating. Hearing him say he’d win the title with the 2019 squad just ain’t right! Loved hearing the likes of Ye and MF Doom in the background btw
Even when I was a teenager and heard that "I'll give anyone who can stop him $100" line I knew it was over. That was a clear sign of defeat aired on TV. He just doesn't have that mental edge all greats have/need to get pass situations like that.
def not all on him. he was always hooping, while lowry was out there taking shots after the game in a hoodie… he’s one of MANY who couldn’t beat lebron. been a baller, still is
It wasn't just Derozan, it was Lowey and everyone else too and the problem was LeBron. It's possible that LeBron leaving would have actually been the ticket to the finals. And it wasn't just Kawhi, Marc Gasol was also instrumental, especially against the Bucks.
Not really true. Lowry was a better player during those years, and the advanced stats confirm that. It was also Nurse, Gasol, and Green who put the nails in the coffin
@@jalynjones9136 game 3 2018 vs Cavs who got benched in the 2nd half of that win or die game and what happened when he was benched the Raptors actually made a comeback in that game the moment Demar got benched
@@benimanah I swear I started the process of this video before that situation was a thing 😂. If I was writing while I happened I would’ve brought up the Jersey retirement thing 😂😭
I love Derozan and his time with the Raptors, but bro was never meant to be a number one option on a competitive team. The Raptors would have been annihilated by the Sixers that year with him instead of Kawhi.
Yeah, they probably losing in 5 I mean if he was getting swept by just LeBron in 2018 with pretty much the same team I don’t think they can get past a better roster
Never meant to be a number 1? So why did the raptors have multiple 50+ win seasons & make it to the ECF with him as their best player lol y’all just be saying anything only person he couldn’t beat was Lebron simple and no they wouldn’t have gotten annihilated
It wasn't just him that led to the Raptors playoff choking... but he was our 1A option on offence, and I feel like we didn't have the supplementary pieces to give him relief against tough defenses when the going got tough. It's hard to be "the guy" and not every player, even great offensive players like Demar, are meant for that role. Unfortunately that was the role that the Raptors asked him to play and it negatively impacted his legacy as a result. In hindsight, he was an amazing player for the franchise and one of the first real "stars" since the Carter/TMac/Bosh days that really gave the franchise an identity and a direction. I'll always cherish his time in Toronto as a lifelong fan.
I completely agree with you! But as I told someone else, this video would’ve never been made if he didn’t say what he said 😂. To think that Lebron was the only issue is nuts. Especially when that next years Eastern Conference was much tougher on the top end.
@@Alvini_Linguine yep this is completely true. To think the Raptors with DeMar could even stand a chance against that Philly team is nuts. People forget how good that 2019 Embiid-Simmons-Butler-Harris-Redick Sixers team was. Not to mention the MVP winner and DPOY candidate Giannis Bucks with 60 wins. Yeah that Raptors team would've gotten obliterated and the rebuild would've started in 2019 instead of 2023
Kyle Lowry got lumped in with Demar on playoff choking when the only reason Kyle played bad was due to injuries in 2015 and early portion of the 2016 playoffs Kyle wasn’t the one getting benched vs Cleveland
I deadass use to feel sorry for da man. But after that stint he pulled earlier this year can't lie he deserves to be chipless. Nothing but faxx in this video my man. Great job!!!
Thank you fellow TH-camr 🫡. I can understand all of his struggles during the time but he simply just wasn’t good enough for that type of mission. Kawhi on the other hand isn’t even human 😂. The right decision was made and the chip proves that!
It sucks in hindsight seeing Demar trying to go against a goliath like those mid 2010 Cavs teams. You could also look at great players in the west during that same timeframe and see they would never get past the Warriors without roster retooling, going to the east or signing with the Warriors themselves. In a league with so many talented players, you'll always have some that are never meant to win it all. Also I see you with the early Kanye instrumental in the middle of the video, Pasta Man.
The Houston Rockets almost broke the cycle. Until they missed 27 straight 3s 😭. That roster was a masterclass in strategy and synergy. But they lived and died by the very thing they loved. Some teams have to wait their turn like you said though, there will always be that dominant force teams have to face to make it anywhere near the finals. And yessir, love me some Kanye 🫡
Stop saying derozan was the best player on those teams, anyone who watched the raps back then knew it was always kyles team, he was by far the best player
When I heard that DeMar DeRozen struggles with depression, mental health, and anxiety. When he helped to jump start the NBA Mental Health initiative program. As soon as I heard that, I knew we would never win with him as our main man. He lacked the confidence in himself at the biggest moments of pressure. You can't win if your leader is out there telling everyome that he feels defeated and depressed a lot.
Been reading Demar’s book. He was having a rough 2017-2018 off the court. He separated from his wife and his dad had a stroke. He was flying back and forth to LA between games to be with his kids and dad. It was in Feb 2018 during the all star break when he went public with his depression. It’s a tough read seeing the pain he had. Sure this all of the court and were taking about his on-court performances and where he fell short. Yes, the team was winning but he was carrying tons of baggage. It’s context worth considering.
Understandable for sure, as I mentioned the game is both as much mental as it is physical. But I hate to say it, but I can't say it would change much in the aspect of this video. And I am not trying to downgrade his mental troubles during the time like Skip Bayless did to Dak. But Masai made a business decision for the sake of the Franchise's goal.
@ Totally doesn’t change much in the aspect of the video. Masai obviously made the right call - and as a Raptors fan from the beginning, I couldn’t be happier. For me, reading what he was going through really opened my eyes to the pressure he was under. It was just timing for me, literally reading the book now and then seeing a video about him choking pop up on my feed.
ye I didnt watch the Derozan Raptors as much during their peak (lifelong Raps fan), but as soon as I saw Kawhi Leonard I knew it was a way better team and player impact, even in mindset. Even if Derozan can admit that Lebron was in his way, how could he expect to beat pre-wall MVP Giannis, Embiid's Sixers, and the GS Warriors? Hate to say that he just never had "It." I credit him for growing as a player after he got traded, but even the best version of Demar we've seen wouldn't have been able to get us anywhere close that year. He also has to get infinite love for his commitment to the franchise and being part of us building a winning culture overall. Kyle Lowry may have even the more definitive element of that as well, despite his own choking record. Kawhi was just different.
No cap, no disrespect to others, but you're the king of the (NBA TH-cam) longform. No bs, I was just thinking yesterday that I hadn't seen a vid of yours for a while for some reason, and then this pops up. Idk if your vids get lost in my algorithm or if i wasn't even subbed, again no disrespect, but I always appreciate your efforts when I tap in.
As a Raptors fan the main thing I hate about this is that Kyle gets thrown in with DeMar's choking when in reality, in a lot of those series Kyle wasn't bad.
Right right, that’s mainly why I only highlighted the games from him. I only said he was bad in the first two. After it he was consistently good once he dropped the weight and actually made himself ready for a long season. I can understand why some Raptors fans say that Kyle was better than Demar since 2016.
@ especially 2017-18 games 1-3 against Cleveland, Kyle was phenomenal. Even in 2016-17 Kyle only played games 1 and 2 against Cleveland and yet he was still great in both games.
Nah man, it's the whole team, and you honestly think they are only ones who "choked" aka realised they are not enough against LeBron..? Even Vince Carter choked against better players, and hey without those two Toronto would be known by a city everyone wants to leave from... So shut up kid and go watch hockey or something, basketball is obviously too difficult to understand for you
@@KalmoK someone's mad, telling someone to shut up while throwing a whole tantrum is just hilarious levels of irony. It wasn't the whole team, in game 3 against Cleveland in 2018 DeMar got outscored by Kyle, Jonas Valanciunas, rookie OG, Serge and CJ Miles off the bench, and had his points matched by undrafted sophomore Fred VanVleet. Get educated.
I’m just glad you recognize demar as the face of the franchise, because since that bkn vs tor series where Lowry shot that 1v5 shot was as awful as it gets. Demar definitely let us down, but Lowry couldn’t ever do anything by himself, kawahi saved lowerys legacy, since lowery left he’s been nothing but a bench warmer for the 76ixers
Bro mentions the Toronto Raptors with Vince Carter and Chris Bosh completely forgets that Tracy McGrady was absolutely phenomenal when he was with the Toronto Raptors he was just overshadowed by Vince Carter.
Watched raptors since day 1 of the franchise in the sky dome. Demar is nowhere near kawhi. I have never seen anything like kawhi ever. That 2019 run was insane by kawhi. Definition of carrying a team to the chip.
Man, this takes me back. Those early "We the north" Era toronto Raptor teams were fun because we knew they were making much noise, we were just happy they were winning lol
@ you spot on bro and you actually took it easy on him. You didn’t even go into the multiple benchings he received in the playoffs. My bro referred me to your video because we often talk about Demars time in Toronto. You’re the only one who’s covered it from this angle. Like I said great video. You got a sub
10000% people forget the bucks were INSANE that year and were tearing the league apart with a 60 - 22 record and they were favoured to win the chip that year. Kawhi locked giannis down. Also philly was stacked! Prime embid, tobias, butler and simmons when he was good. Kawhi's run was insane! Also the gasol trade for jonas was a very smart move. Gasol really made a huge difference too.
Alvini my man, I gotta disagree on the premise. I've always felt DeRozan was miscast as the #1 option on a team trying to make a deep run. I dunno, to me it's like criticizing a fish because he sucks at flying, if that makes any sense.
@@kevinwillette5161 You’re valid for sure. I wouldn’t have made the video if HE HIMSELF didn’t say that he was capable of that. It was a universally agreed upon statement that he couldn’t. But since he said he could, the idea of the video came to mind and I spoke on it. Consider this extra evidence to the claim 🫡
A good leader needs to make tough decisions and that's what Masai did. Did it hurt seeing DeRozan go? Of course! But trust me as a Toronto native and a Raptors fan, nobody was sad at the championship parade.
I love Demars confidence but I'm sorry, there was no way the Raptors would have won in 2019 with Demar leading the charge. They wouldn't have gotten past Philly, Let alone the Bucks after going down 0-2. Then for SOME REASON if they got to the finals, no wayyy would Demars mental have held up to stop the 3 peat from that battered Warriors team.
That was pretty selfish of Demar. It took a minor prime Kawhi, and a shit ton of luck to get Toronto to the finals, and even more luck to win it all. No way it would've played out the same way with Demsr. He's a good player though.
Correct me if im wrong but masai started as a scout for Toronto, became a GM for the denver nuggets, he did the carmelo trade before Toronto again sign masai to be the president and gm after his nuggets contract ended few seasons later
My favourite player of all time. He made me fall in love with basketball. He’s way mire clutch than Siakam. If Siakam takes the last shot, you know it’s gonna miss. I’m not sure Siakam has a single game winner in his career and I’ve watched him since he was a rookie. I’ve seen him miss a lot and I’ve seen DeRozan call game
Sure completely understandable. But obviously if he was able to compete with Lebron and not get swept two years in a row that trade wouldn’t have needed to happen. Because the risk behind losing Kawhi compared to the loyalty of Demar is certainly something to consider. But that’s just my opinion. Something needed to change either way.
Torontonian here. I believe it's possible we could've made the finals with DeMar. But he couldn't beat LeBron and LeBron lost to gsw a couple times and he probably couldn't handle them. And the east took a leap
Look man, i love DeMar. He’s the reason why I’m watching basketball he a legend of the city, probably of the country. But I can’t deny that he brought us down with him all those years against lebron. Shit hurts but it’s true. I still hope he gets a statue with Kyle. The one where the two of em are together after the buzzer beater, that’ll be the one for sure
The irony of Lebron being on the receiving end of such bamboozlery against Jokic and the Nuggets since 2021 Basketball gods write amusing scripts sometimes
Lmao Harsh, man. Wasn’t expecting a Derozan hate video. I get it, just don’t know that it’s fair. I’m a Derozan fan, but a player like that has to be lucky and on a good team. I see him as a better version of Rip Hamilton, he just hasn’t found his Pistons team yet (but the Kings might be that team for him!) Dude will be a hall of famer nonetheless. Really wanna see him get a ring tho.
I guess I can agree with that assessment. Many words like that (not gonna list them all) have lost their meaning because they are overused due to our current social climate. The wording in the title of the video definitely invites defense if you’re a Derozan fan though. I love your videos, style, and sarcasm, I’m just taking up for a player I like. I want a How the Wizards Are the Biggest Fuckup In NBA History video though. It probably should be a multiparter or at least 5 hours haha
Awesome video! As a long time Raps fan, i've had the experience of living for all those moments and how you captured and spoke the facts about Demar is exactly how I would express it. I was hoping the video would include the clip of Demar in an interview with him after the loss to Lebronto. I forgot the exact words, but it was expressing that he gave up on the team because they're playing against LeBron. And another thing about why Kawhi is such a better player is that he got Lebron scarred when he is on the floor. The Raps litterally traded for a player opposite of Demar to take on Lebron.
Why isn't the Raptors championship respected? Just because KD didn't play most of the finals? Even without KD, GSW was still considered the heavy favorites going into the finals. Plus the Raptors beat two fully healthy championship level teams in Milwaukee and Philly. Most people had the bucks and warriors as locks for the finals at the start of the playoffs with many favouring Milwaukee to win the chip. So it's ridiculous to me that people would not respect the Raptors run. It was one of the best of the last decade - no doubt.
Bro I love your videos, but for the love of me I can’t understand what it is that you say before the video starts, “relic” “rabbit” “ribbit” are you frogging me?
I think the Raptors make the Finals with DeRozan but they don't win a single game. Regardless, they don't win a championship. But they definitely do run through the East. People forget some of the important pieces in the playoffs (Gasol, Ibaka, Siakam, Vanvleet, Powell) etc
If Kawhi had to put up a all time performance throughout that second and third round just to sniff the finals I highly doubt Demar does the same. Those two are in completely different realms as players and there’s a reason Masai chose him specifically to get the job done.
@@Alvini_LinguineMasai made a smart choice to go with Kawhi over DeRozan. Finding the next series of Kawhi-type players is what the Raptors will now have to do although hitting on enough of those draft picks, trades and free-agent signings is another matter, with supposedly winning the last category last NBA-NHL offseason, among NHL teams, having instead backfired on a Nashville Preds’ team that finds itself near the bottom of the NHL standings.
@@Alvini_Linguine I agree both Kawhi and DeMar are in different levels. Kawhi is def better. I think the second round against Philly people forget how important Gasol was for Toronto holding Embiid to 37% shooting throughout the series. I think due to Lowry/DeMar chemistry and Siakam they'll get through Philly. The ECF against Milwaukee I feel like the bucks beat themselves.
Yeah that’s fine lol. But atleast the Raptors can say they made the finals. Ain’t anyone beating that Warriors team without a little help 😂😭. I was rooting for the Raptors the entire time. That Superteam needed to fall
I can agree, but as the #1 in command most of the responsibility is on him. It’s not like the others sucked and he popped off. He just couldn’t get it done and they traded for someone who could.
Tbh people forget that Kyle Lowry was also fucking ass during most of the 2019 run. Like i remember fans cheering when he hit free throw. Also its actually insane how bad Demar Derozan is on defense. In short no a 20 ppg all star with no defense an no 3 point shot could not do the same as Kawhi
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if demar was on the team instead of kawhi they wouldn’t have beaten that 76ers team 🤷♂️
It took Kawhi the absolute most to beat that team in the first place. If it took Kawhi 7 games, I don’t think Demar could win it 😭
As a die hard raptors fan from Toronto I 100% agree
@@Alvini_Linguine they would've been gentlemen swept at best. I don't see them going 6 games versus that team.
Kawhi played 60 games demar played 77. I say the raptors get the one seed in the weak east with those extra 17 games and demars last season with the raptors saw a 9.6 win share rate with kawhi having a 9.5 meaning he would’ve won just as many regular season games. This gives them the 1 seed which they were 2 games back of and you get a path to the finals that potentially either sees the 76ers choke under pressure as they also choke in a later round or potential elimination from another team.
@@beepbop1185 doesn’t matter either way they’re not beating the bucks nor that sixers team
As a Raps fan who’s gone back repeatedly to watch the 2019 run, I really appreciate being able to re-live this era of Raptors basketball.
DeMar was always loved but watching him give up in the playoffs was infuriating. Hearing him say he’d win the title with the 2019 squad just ain’t right!
Loved hearing the likes of Ye and MF Doom in the background btw
Even when I was a teenager and heard that "I'll give anyone who can stop him $100" line I knew it was over. That was a clear sign of defeat aired on TV. He just doesn't have that mental edge all greats have/need to get pass situations like that.
@@Alvini_Linguine he struggled with mental health issues. I guess it wasn't 100% his fault, however, that doesn't mean he wasn't the problem
def not all on him. he was always hooping, while lowry was out there taking shots after the game in a hoodie… he’s one of MANY who couldn’t beat lebron. been a baller, still is
Nah he a choker lol
Kyle outplayed DeMar many times in those playoffs.
@@crazyand2099and derozan outplayed Kyle multiple times too. His playoff performances are greatly exaggerated.
@@nathanielb4985 not really, Kyle, especially post 2016, was better.
@@nathanielb4985 He has like 1 playoff series where he shot 50% or above
It wasn't just Derozan, it was Lowey and everyone else too and the problem was LeBron. It's possible that LeBron leaving would have actually been the ticket to the finals. And it wasn't just Kawhi, Marc Gasol was also instrumental, especially against the Bucks.
thats not true Toronto was actually competitive in the minutes Derozan was benched
Not really true. Lowry was a better player during those years, and the advanced stats confirm that. It was also Nurse, Gasol, and Green who put the nails in the coffin
@@KyleLowryRaptorsGOAT nothing confirms that. Everyone knows demar was the guy stop it
@@phoenixplayz1581 Toronto was competitive with demar on the court shut up
@@jalynjones9136 game 3 2018 vs Cavs who got benched in the 2nd half of that win or die game and what happened when he was benched the Raptors actually made a comeback in that game the moment Demar got benched
Drake putting his hands together like Mr Burns rn
@@benimanah I swear I started the process of this video before that situation was a thing 😂. If I was writing while I happened I would’ve brought up the Jersey retirement thing 😂😭
I hope DD can revive his playoff demons and get a chip. He deserves it.
Unfortunately, no one deserves anything in life. Got to go get/earn it! Just ask that Raptor chip team!😊
Why does Demar deserve over all the other hard workers in the league? That may work harder
I love Derozan and his time with the Raptors, but bro was never meant to be a number one option on a competitive team. The Raptors would have been annihilated by the Sixers that year with him instead of Kawhi.
Came here to say the same thing.
Yeah, they probably losing in 5 I mean if he was getting swept by just LeBron in 2018 with pretty much the same team I don’t think they can get past a better roster
@@Mptappin12that team was stacked
They wouldn't even have beaten the bucks
Never meant to be a number 1? So why did the raptors have multiple 50+ win seasons & make it to the ECF with him as their best player lol y’all just be saying anything only person he couldn’t beat was Lebron simple and no they wouldn’t have gotten annihilated
It wasn't just him that led to the Raptors playoff choking... but he was our 1A option on offence, and I feel like we didn't have the supplementary pieces to give him relief against tough defenses when the going got tough. It's hard to be "the guy" and not every player, even great offensive players like Demar, are meant for that role. Unfortunately that was the role that the Raptors asked him to play and it negatively impacted his legacy as a result. In hindsight, he was an amazing player for the franchise and one of the first real "stars" since the Carter/TMac/Bosh days that really gave the franchise an identity and a direction. I'll always cherish his time in Toronto as a lifelong fan.
I completely agree with you! But as I told someone else, this video would’ve never been made if he didn’t say what he said 😂. To think that Lebron was the only issue is nuts. Especially when that next years Eastern Conference was much tougher on the top end.
I agree with you too and it didn’t matter who took the last shot in a one point game the results were ugly..
@@Alvini_Linguine yep this is completely true. To think the Raptors with DeMar could even stand a chance against that Philly team is nuts. People forget how good that 2019 Embiid-Simmons-Butler-Harris-Redick Sixers team was. Not to mention the MVP winner and DPOY candidate Giannis Bucks with 60 wins. Yeah that Raptors team would've gotten obliterated and the rebuild would've started in 2019 instead of 2023
Kyle Lowry got lumped in with Demar on playoff choking when the only reason Kyle played bad was due to injuries in 2015 and early portion of the 2016 playoffs Kyle wasn’t the one getting benched vs Cleveland
My mannn 😃
I was just watching the hornets video like “homie needa drop sumn”. Timing crazy 😂
I drop once a month, but when I do. You know it’ll be a banger 😈. Glad you enjoy my content so much 😁
I deadass use to feel sorry for da man. But after that stint he pulled earlier this year can't lie he deserves to be chipless. Nothing but faxx in this video my man. Great job!!!
Thank you fellow TH-camr 🫡. I can understand all of his struggles during the time but he simply just wasn’t good enough for that type of mission. Kawhi on the other hand isn’t even human 😂. The right decision was made and the chip proves that!
It sucks in hindsight seeing Demar trying to go against a goliath like those mid 2010 Cavs teams. You could also look at great players in the west during that same timeframe and see they would never get past the Warriors without roster retooling, going to the east or signing with the Warriors themselves. In a league with so many talented players, you'll always have some that are never meant to win it all.
Also I see you with the early Kanye instrumental in the middle of the video, Pasta Man.
The Houston Rockets almost broke the cycle. Until they missed 27 straight 3s 😭. That roster was a masterclass in strategy and synergy. But they lived and died by the very thing they loved. Some teams have to wait their turn like you said though, there will always be that dominant force teams have to face to make it anywhere near the finals.
And yessir, love me some Kanye 🫡
This guy basically submitted to lebron in the playoffs no competitive spirit when playing lebron just sad tbh
Stop saying derozan was the best player on those teams, anyone who watched the raps back then knew it was always kyles team, he was by far the best player
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Thanks for telling these people what they need to hear. Lowry was always the more important player
Lowry was the engine but Demar was the consistent offense averaging 26 ppg, they needed each other.
Lowry was the leader but he wasn't the best and most talented player on the team...it was DeMar
Would definitely not say by far, but I agree that Lowry was more impactful as their leader.
Did my GOAT just post about the Raptors! Another great video Alvini keep it up! Always enjoying them! - BowlingDemon
Thank you my guy! Glad you’re enjoying them 🫡😈
Just finished the video it was 🔥🔥
Title got me crying
When I heard that DeMar DeRozen struggles with depression, mental health, and anxiety. When he helped to jump start the NBA Mental Health initiative program. As soon as I heard that, I knew we would never win with him as our main man. He lacked the confidence in himself at the biggest moments of pressure. You can't win if your leader is out there telling everyome that he feels defeated and depressed a lot.
I hear spaceship in the beginning of the vid
u forgot to mention that derozan was also benched in the second half of game 3 in 2018 because of how badly he was playing
Been reading Demar’s book. He was having a rough 2017-2018 off the court. He separated from his wife and his dad had a stroke. He was flying back and forth to LA between games to be with his kids and dad. It was in Feb 2018 during the all star break when he went public with his depression. It’s a tough read seeing the pain he had.
Sure this all of the court and were taking about his on-court performances and where he fell short. Yes, the team was winning but he was carrying tons of baggage. It’s context worth considering.
Understandable for sure, as I mentioned the game is both as much mental as it is physical. But I hate to say it, but I can't say it would change much in the aspect of this video. And I am not trying to downgrade his mental troubles during the time like Skip Bayless did to Dak. But Masai made a business decision for the sake of the Franchise's goal.
@ Totally doesn’t change much in the aspect of the video. Masai obviously made the right call - and as a Raptors fan from the beginning, I couldn’t be happier. For me, reading what he was going through really opened my eyes to the pressure he was under. It was just timing for me, literally reading the book now and then seeing a video about him choking pop up on my feed.
28:05 “here we go again” to go with the kanye chorus, genius.
Finally someone noticed it 😈🌚
ye I didnt watch the Derozan Raptors as much during their peak (lifelong Raps fan), but as soon as I saw Kawhi Leonard I knew it was a way better team and player impact, even in mindset. Even if Derozan can admit that Lebron was in his way, how could he expect to beat pre-wall MVP Giannis, Embiid's Sixers, and the GS Warriors? Hate to say that he just never had "It." I credit him for growing as a player after he got traded, but even the best version of Demar we've seen wouldn't have been able to get us anywhere close that year.
He also has to get infinite love for his commitment to the franchise and being part of us building a winning culture overall. Kyle Lowry may have even the more definitive element of that as well, despite his own choking record. Kawhi was just different.
No cap, no disrespect to others, but you're the king of the (NBA TH-cam) longform.
No bs, I was just thinking yesterday that I hadn't seen a vid of yours for a while for some reason, and then this pops up.
Idk if your vids get lost in my algorithm or if i wasn't even subbed, again no disrespect, but I always appreciate your efforts when I tap in.
Oh no, I only upload once a month lol. But I appreciate your love for these videos my guy! You weren’t even a day out from the release 🤙
The choice of the Spaceships instrumental playing in the beginning was perfect 😂😂😂
Surprised I haven't heard anyone say anything about me saying "Hear we go again" into "Everything I am" playing!
@ oh shit I never caught that lol
Demar hit piece. Damn, imagine Demar watching this vid, so much pain 😢
As a Raptors fan the main thing I hate about this is that Kyle gets thrown in with DeMar's choking when in reality, in a lot of those series Kyle wasn't bad.
Right right, that’s mainly why I only highlighted the games from him. I only said he was bad in the first two. After it he was consistently good once he dropped the weight and actually made himself ready for a long season. I can understand why some Raptors fans say that Kyle was better than Demar since 2016.
@ especially 2017-18 games 1-3 against Cleveland, Kyle was phenomenal. Even in 2016-17 Kyle only played games 1 and 2 against Cleveland and yet he was still great in both games.
Nah man, it's the whole team, and you honestly think they are only ones who "choked" aka realised they are not enough against LeBron..? Even Vince Carter choked against better players, and hey without those two Toronto would be known by a city everyone wants to leave from... So shut up kid and go watch hockey or something, basketball is obviously too difficult to understand for you
@@KalmoK someone's mad, telling someone to shut up while throwing a whole tantrum is just hilarious levels of irony. It wasn't the whole team, in game 3 against Cleveland in 2018 DeMar got outscored by Kyle, Jonas Valanciunas, rookie OG, Serge and CJ Miles off the bench, and had his points matched by undrafted sophomore Fred VanVleet. Get educated.
@@KalmoK also half this comment is just deflecting by bringing up how they impacted Toronto, that is completely irrelevant lmao.
I’m just glad you recognize demar as the face of the franchise, because since that bkn vs tor series where Lowry shot that 1v5 shot was as awful as it gets. Demar definitely let us down, but Lowry couldn’t ever do anything by himself, kawahi saved lowerys legacy, since lowery left he’s been nothing but a bench warmer for the 76ixers
Bro mentions the Toronto Raptors with Vince Carter and Chris Bosh completely forgets that Tracy McGrady was absolutely phenomenal when he was with the Toronto Raptors he was just overshadowed by Vince Carter.
He was a undervalued side piece at that point and wasn’t even on the raptors in 2001
Been waiting for this
Watched raptors since day 1 of the franchise in the sky dome. Demar is nowhere near kawhi. I have never seen anything like kawhi ever. That 2019 run was insane by kawhi. Definition of carrying a team to the chip.
Man, this takes me back. Those early "We the north" Era toronto Raptor teams were fun because we knew they were making much noise, we were just happy they were winning lol
Kawhi carried that philly series so hard. We all know defrozen wouldnt be able to do that
Great video. Hope Demar sees this
Would be a very interesting moment for me ngl. I'd stand 10 toes down on it though.
@ you spot on bro and you actually took it easy on him. You didn’t even go into the multiple benchings he received in the playoffs. My bro referred me to your video because we often talk about Demars time in Toronto. You’re the only one who’s covered it from this angle. Like I said great video. You got a sub
All this proves is that LeBron making it 10 straight finals isn’t that impressive. The leastern conference was so weak
Background instrumental always mint. Love dilla and kanye
Alvini for the win
I never understood why demar game never translated to the playoffs
The Kanye soundtracks make this video good bro keep it up 👍🏼👏🏼🫡
Gotta have my personality bleed through the video! Glad you like the music I enjoy!
@@Alvini_Linguine Kanye west fan here
Funny because as a raptors fan, there was truly no point where i ever felt we could win a ring with derozan lol
As a Raptors fan, ABSOLUTELY TF NOT we would have fucking lost to the Sixers or got swept by the Bucks if Demar was still there
10000% people forget the bucks were INSANE that year and were tearing the league apart with a 60 - 22 record and they were favoured to win the chip that year. Kawhi locked giannis down. Also philly was stacked! Prime embid, tobias, butler and simmons when he was good. Kawhi's run was insane! Also the gasol trade for jonas was a very smart move. Gasol really made a huge difference too.
@@KNOWtheLEDGE7 to this day Marc Gasol is one of my heroes
Alvini my man, I gotta disagree on the premise. I've always felt DeRozan was miscast as the #1 option on a team trying to make a deep run. I dunno, to me it's like criticizing a fish because he sucks at flying, if that makes any sense.
@@kevinwillette5161 You’re valid for sure. I wouldn’t have made the video if HE HIMSELF didn’t say that he was capable of that. It was a universally agreed upon statement that he couldn’t. But since he said he could, the idea of the video came to mind and I spoke on it. Consider this extra evidence to the claim 🫡
Nor the Bucks, Kawhi’s 1v1 defence was a huge part in slowing down Giannis.
OG was injured at the time.
A good leader needs to make tough decisions and that's what Masai did. Did it hurt seeing DeRozan go? Of course! But trust me as a Toronto native and a Raptors fan, nobody was sad at the championship parade.
good research and video! thx.
As a 30 year raptors fan I approve this video
I love Demars confidence but I'm sorry, there was no way the Raptors would have won in 2019 with Demar leading the charge. They wouldn't have gotten past Philly, Let alone the Bucks after going down 0-2. Then for SOME REASON if they got to the finals, no wayyy would Demars mental have held up to stop the 3 peat from that battered Warriors team.
“I think we just needed one more piece, and that piece came in the form of LeBron going to the west” Bwahhhh😂
Felt like i was listening to Kanye with some basketball commentary. Nice video
Love the Spaceship background music
The Scottie Beam playing in the background 🔥🔥
Shoutout the man Gibbs!
@@Alvini_Linguine YESSIR
Banger video
That was pretty selfish of Demar. It took a minor prime Kawhi, and a shit ton of luck to get Toronto to the finals, and even more luck to win it all. No way it would've played out the same way with Demsr. He's a good player though.
GOATTTEDDD CONTENNNTTT
Correct me if im wrong but masai started as a scout for Toronto, became a GM for the denver nuggets, he did the carmelo trade before Toronto again sign masai to be the president and gm after his nuggets contract ended few seasons later
Correct, I worded it horribly and didn't provide context.
He choked every time the 6ers would of beat them in 6 and if not the bucks definitely would of beat them in 5
44:44 - the Raptors were going into game 15 of the playoffs, and Cavs were going into game 9.
If the raptors and Demar made it to the finals in 2016 and 2019 Steph&Co would have 6 rings by now very probably 😭
That demare caroll picture was so random but funny 😭
For now on if he’s ever mentioned in a video of mine. I’m using that picture 😂
all over that noti
I hear the college dropout sample in the back…don’t make me report you…for being awesome
Gotta make my videos a experience and show my personality through it 🤙. Glad you fw it 😈
so who was going to guard giannas when they went up 2-0? Derozan??? lmaoooooo
My favourite player of all time. He made me fall in love with basketball. He’s way mire clutch than Siakam. If Siakam takes the last shot, you know it’s gonna miss. I’m not sure Siakam has a single game winner in his career and I’ve watched him since he was a rookie. I’ve seen him miss a lot and I’ve seen DeRozan call game
i personally would like a new orleans hornets timeline, since you did the pelicans already
Dewayne Casey wasn't the first coach to be fired immediately after winning Coach of the Year.
Check George Karl of the 2012-2013 Denver Nuggets
As a huge Demar fan, watching this video hurts
He didn’t really “choke his way out”. It’s that they were offended kawhi. They had no intention of getting rid of him before kawhi was in the equation
Sure completely understandable. But obviously if he was able to compete with Lebron and not get swept two years in a row that trade wouldn’t have needed to happen. Because the risk behind losing Kawhi compared to the loyalty of Demar is certainly something to consider. But that’s just my opinion. Something needed to change either way.
Kwahi was better defensively period demar wasn’t stopping Gianni’s
thats an OUTRAGEOUSLY freaky title
The amount of ads put in this video god damn...
Demar defrozen is the best way to put it
If the raptors did not trade demar to the spurs....... then demar will still be ringless 😂😂😂😂
Why cant I find his 2k channel anymore guys ??
27:00 I miss that wizards team
Torontonian here. I believe it's possible we could've made the finals with DeMar. But he couldn't beat LeBron and LeBron lost to gsw a couple times and he probably couldn't handle them. And the east took a leap
1 min ago is crazy
Look man, i love DeMar. He’s the reason why I’m watching basketball he a legend of the city, probably of the country. But I can’t deny that he brought us down with him all those years against lebron. Shit hurts but it’s true. I still hope he gets a statue with Kyle. The one where the two of em are together after the buzzer beater, that’ll be the one for sure
The irony of Lebron being on the receiving end of such bamboozlery against Jokic and the Nuggets since 2021
Basketball gods write amusing scripts sometimes
Let’s not act like Lowry wasn’t a known choker as well atleast till the 19 Finals
Lmao Harsh, man. Wasn’t expecting a Derozan hate video. I get it, just don’t know that it’s fair. I’m a Derozan fan, but a player like that has to be lucky and on a good team. I see him as a better version of Rip Hamilton, he just hasn’t found his Pistons team yet (but the Kings might be that team for him!) Dude will be a hall of famer nonetheless. Really wanna see him get a ring tho.
The word hate has lost its meaning. This is just criticism of his claim/defense that he said.
I guess I can agree with that assessment. Many words like that (not gonna list them all) have lost their meaning because they are overused due to our current social climate. The wording in the title of the video definitely invites defense if you’re a Derozan fan though. I love your videos, style, and sarcasm, I’m just taking up for a player I like. I want a How the Wizards Are the Biggest Fuckup In NBA History video though. It probably should be a multiparter or at least 5 hours haha
Awesome video! As a long time Raps fan, i've had the experience of living for all those moments and how you captured and spoke the facts about Demar is exactly how I would express it. I was hoping the video would include the clip of Demar in an interview with him after the loss to Lebronto. I forgot the exact words, but it was expressing that he gave up on the team because they're playing against LeBron. And another thing about why Kawhi is such a better player is that he got Lebron scarred when he is on the floor. The Raps litterally traded for a player opposite of Demar to take on Lebron.
1:14:50 - 2028!?! You don’t say!
He can see into the future
Cooked me, idk how I said “2028” 💀
4:50 wrong! he came back here after being the GM for the Nuggets
Why isn't the Raptors championship respected? Just because KD didn't play most of the finals? Even without KD, GSW was still considered the heavy favorites going into the finals. Plus the Raptors beat two fully healthy championship level teams in Milwaukee and Philly. Most people had the bucks and warriors as locks for the finals at the start of the playoffs with many favouring Milwaukee to win the chip. So it's ridiculous to me that people would not respect the Raptors run. It was one of the best of the last decade - no doubt.
Not a debo fan but what else he suppose to say
Bro I love your videos, but for the love of me I can’t understand what it is that you say before the video starts, “relic” “rabbit” “ribbit” are you frogging me?
I say "ROLL IT" then of course the movie reel thing starts. I can understand if you didn't understand what I said lol.
@ ohhhhhhh, that makes so much sense. I feel stupid now 😂
I think the Raptors make the Finals with DeRozan but they don't win a single game. Regardless, they don't win a championship. But they definitely do run through the East. People forget some of the important pieces in the playoffs (Gasol, Ibaka, Siakam, Vanvleet, Powell) etc
If Kawhi had to put up a all time performance throughout that second and third round just to sniff the finals I highly doubt Demar does the same. Those two are in completely different realms as players and there’s a reason Masai chose him specifically to get the job done.
@@Alvini_LinguineMasai made a smart choice to go with Kawhi over DeRozan. Finding the next series of Kawhi-type players is what the Raptors will now have to do although hitting on enough of those draft picks, trades and free-agent signings is another matter, with supposedly winning the last category last NBA-NHL offseason, among NHL teams, having instead backfired on a Nashville Preds’ team that finds itself near the bottom of the NHL standings.
@@Alvini_Linguine I agree both Kawhi and DeMar are in different levels. Kawhi is def better. I think the second round against Philly people forget how important Gasol was for Toronto holding Embiid to 37% shooting throughout the series. I think due to Lowry/DeMar chemistry and Siakam they'll get through Philly. The ECF against Milwaukee I feel like the bucks beat themselves.
Let’s be honest if the warriors don’t get hurt Kahwi don’t win the ship
Yeah that’s fine lol. But atleast the Raptors can say they made the finals. Ain’t anyone beating that Warriors team without a little help 😂😭. I was rooting for the Raptors the entire time. That Superteam needed to fall
omg the KD/Steph Warriors win healthy thank you captain obvious
i dont think it was all his fault but he definently underperformed almost every year he was on the team
I can agree, but as the #1 in command most of the responsibility is on him. It’s not like the others sucked and he popped off. He just couldn’t get it done and they traded for someone who could.
He did get so many chances to win though. I just think his long 2 heavy shooting and playstyle doesnt fit modern NBA.
got the scottie beam track in the back, we major
Shoutout Gibbs, new album was great!
the raptors won 50 in 2020 with kawhi gone, imagine if they had demar
They still wouldn’t won Jack
Tbh people forget that Kyle Lowry was also fucking ass during most of the 2019 run. Like i remember fans cheering when he hit free throw. Also its actually insane how bad Demar Derozan is on defense. In short no a 20 ppg all star with no defense an no 3 point shot could not do the same as Kawhi
Wasn't this guy the runner up for clutch player of the year? Pretty sure the only person considered more clutch than him last year was Steph..🤔
Must be a big Drake fan 😆
The Raptors lowkey disrespected Lou Williams
Dont do this to my Dawg bruh
DEEP FRIED FRIENDS
@@matts8012 BEFORE WE GO ANY FUTHER 🗣️
I mean Demar was right 😂 Lebron was unstoppable
they was playing lebron
sure lebron’s was gone, but he still would have had to beat the curry and the warriors. don’t think he could’ve pulled it off
This dude is most likely a Drake fan from Canada who is salty about Not Like Us...
@@KalmoK By the selection of music I used in my video, I’m actually a Kanye fan and don’t like Drake at all 😭.