Why Man United's Biggest Problem Is Erik Ten Hag
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- Manchester United were a toenail away from arguably the most humiliating defeat in FA Cup history. But despite the manager's assertions that their victory should be celebrated, Coventry City showed four times precisely what is wrong with Erik Ten Hag's management... and why he'll not be able to fix it. FourFourTwo's Adam Clery unpacks the match as a whole, and says it might be time for the Dutchman to move on.
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I thought his name was Moon?!? 🤣🤣 (Brilliant post BTW)
😮Hag seems to achieve the first part
This is one of the funniest comments I’ve ever read on TH-cam. 😂 Thank you. 👍
That Bruno hojlund clip sums it up
genuinely looked like a clip pulled from FIFA/EA Football or whatever the fuck it's called these days
Are we really having a go at a no9 not knowing how to defend on the wing?
@@TmcksnT there's a difference in "not knowing" and players not even following their own instructions after communicating though. no one expects Rasmus to be a top-tier defender at the back, but the fact that Bruno pointed and told Rasmus to defend the man in front of him, only for them to both commit to the ball as soon as it's passed off is...comical. There has to to be some baseline when it comes to defending. Defending is done as a team, up and down every table in every league. If you can't or don't defend as a team, you ship goals. It's not the sole responsibility of the defenders to protect the goal.
@@th3doorMatt I know I'm just saying I'm not surprised to see he was confused or seemed uncultured in that moment. It's like having a go at Maguire for not finishing a one on one.
They were in sync for some seconds too😂@@th3doorMatt
Best football tactics show there is out there and I don’t mean just on TH-cam.
Adam is the goat for real
Are you mad, it's SO basic. Just a load of slo motion hindsight and pointing out that we arent in a low block.
@@samuelford ikr, football tactic videos fail to acknowledge the actual speed the game is played at. Lots of slow motion and STILL IMAGES.
@@docgraal485 'if a player was standing here and not there then xyz wouldnt happen' the basis of 99 percent of "tactical" hipster videos. It's like watching someone say to a bricklayer, just lay more bricks and the house will be bigger, everyone likes a bigger house!'
tifo better
I still can't discern if it's ten Hag being poor tactically or the players having zero tactical intelligence. Most diplomatic answer will be somewhere in the middle. But I trust ten Hag is a tactically astute coach with his proven record at Ajax (people were drooling over his Ajax and often remarked that's how Man Utd should play). The players, well, they've proven record of frustrating 3 previous managers and 1 current manager.
Under ole we mentioned players most of this players had gone pogba and Co even martial not even playing, tactically ten hag is clueless, he can't adapt with premier league football, he is not creative enough.
Why not both?
@@saheedolawlewhat is “premier league football”? 😂 tactics are tactics and you need players to execute
Yup you summed it up very well
@@vidalgutierrez1736Can’t Agree with that becuase premier League is the most physically demanding league which means the football is faster, stronger and more intense. Great example is bringing Antony and Donny from Ajax and they can’t really handle the league, Antony doesn’t do much and gets pushed off the ball like a fly, Donny was just never involved in the game, even at Everton football was too fast.
Spanish league is less phsycial but it’s more creative passing and playstyle or at least in my opinion.
Don't let mark goldbridge see this 😂
I don’t think he likes “hipsters” questioning his dear king 😂
Who cares about his agenda driven shite channel
I will send it too him lmfao
Mark isnt for ETH. he is against the players. even changing managers wont change the shiit
@@kukunase1686exactly bro, I’m against the players too have been for years now
Ten hag ball has always been like that. People are finding this now bc most of them only watched Ajax at ucl but it was the same there. The only difference was Ajax offence were very good and their technical floor was way higher than uniteds. This way they could control games and transition quickly plus the technicality.
ETH got given £400M to sign players to raise the technical floor and he absolutely wasted it. Signed Casie as FDJ type progressor, signed Mount as a creative mid when the guy barely has a creative bone in his body. Also refused to play Donny, sent Pellestri and Alvarez on loan who are all technical players. Fell out with Sancho too. The guy should just leave for his own peace of mind not mine.
@@iwantgoals1566 that's another topic my guy. Talking about his playstyle
@@iwantgoals1566lost ur point 4 words in, he doesn’t spend the money, he got some players he wanted, and most others have been 2nd choices, over payed and are injured
@@notorious3496 And I’m saying he didn’t buy the right players to support his play style bruh.
@@ethan8326 What part of “spent £400m” did you not understand?
Not a mu fan so I’m so wholeheartedly glad to see some MU fans still supporting him ☺️
Then you don't know what you're talking about.
INEOS should give him lifetime extension
trust the process
They will and ten hag will do well again and you lot will cry again
As a Liverpool fan I have faith in ETH.
with no possibility of parole.
The weird thing to me is that last season Ten Hag turned Man U around and they got 3rd place and Champions League when all the pundits (and me) said it would take years to sort out the mess. Now that he has actually been able to bring in a few of his desired players, they are actually playing worse.
I simply don't understand how he seemed so clear-eyed and decisive last season and is floundering like this now. I can only imagine Casemiro had one phenomenal season left in his legs, and Ten Hag made full use of that. Because the system isn't very different than it was last. Also Rashford, whose drop off a cliff I do not understand -- in terms of goals and assists, he always alternates between good and bad in consecutive seasons, but he has always run his socks off. He is now the worst presser in the league probably.
@@souradeepsengupta95 Yes, it is strange isn't it. I've seen it suggested that his system with a high press needs a mobile back 4 and he hasn't got that without Martinez, leaving massive midfield gaps. Interesting point about Casemiro. It seems as if key players are missing and his preferred system doesn't work, he hasn't got a Plan B. With Rashford I wonder if he's simply fallen out of love with football. He sometimes gets the inspiration again - as for a period under Ten Hag - but then loses it. Snag is that talent isn't enough at the highest level, you need dedication too, and it doesn't feel as if the Man U atmosphere in recent years has encouraged this. That being said it's amazing how they have pulled out some late comebacks - but also late capitulations.
So what? Ole did the same, Mark Goldbridge said Ole should get a statue if he got top 4. He got 3rd and 2nd the first two seasons, where we thought it would take a decade to replace such a incompetent squad and atmosphere. + a bunch of semi finals and finals with a squad EVEN WORSE then this. With key players constantly injured, and players individually choking in key games to an extent never seen before in proffesional football. This is on Ten Hag, the only redeeming thing about his tenure is the easiest carabao cup run we have seen the last 20 years.
Sooooooooo over half his team being injured all season didn’t factor into this?
@@AshBashSneakers Plenty of other PL teams in the same boat with injuries. Man U of all teams should have the squad depth to cope! And Ten Hag's own signings have been available for much of the season but have been underwhelming. So I do feel he exceeded expectations last year but has disappointed this season.
You know it's serious when it's Clery blaming a manager
The thing for me is. This "problem" isn't explicit to Ten Hag. We have seen this with other managers. I think the problem runs a lot deeper.
No we haven’t mate, we’ve never had this many losses this few points, this bad of a ucl campaign and this bad of a style of play under any other manager in the premier league era
@@Musakhan23901 He's got the highest win percentage
@@thesunshinehome and also the highest loss percentage, our worst points tally in the premier league era, the worst ever champions league performance by an English team, 7-0 loss to biggest rivals, no style of play, conceded 20 shots a game
@Musakhan23901 the style of play is clear. The players he has to work with can't execute.
Half the starters are injured and the other half can't be bothered to put I'm a shift (ex. Rashford). ETH had a great season last year coming from where they were. There's growing pains right now. Mfs are so impatient they think years of shit can be reversed immediately in a season with a new manager and new style.
@@jdill2225 no it isn’t, you just don’t understand ball mate, maybe try switching to a more simplistic sport like basketball or something
Spot on analysis Adam. United fans are 50/50 on whether the issue is Ten Hag or the players. But when the players are instructed to vacate the midfield, it causes chaos and confusion! Also, he never changes tactics during games. Look at the Liverpool thrashing. Did nothing. Great vid as always Adam 🔥
He doesn’t instruct them to vacate the midfield that is a lazy misunderstanding.
If ETH has a fault, it is insisting on play his way with such a poor squad.
Yes - the issue is 50% players and 50% Ten Haag.
Ten Hag has no plan B. Look at how Ajax lost the semi final against Tottenham from a winning position. Frustrating to watch
Why doesn't he start his good players who he got like amrabat,mount,Antony to do it🤣even casemiro he got
Only idiots think Ten Hag isn't the major problem.
Excellent analysis as always Adam, great watch
Ten hags chaos end to end football tactics in the premier League is crazy he could do that at Ajax because Ajax and PSV are miles ahead of all the other dutch teams but in the premier league playing with no midfield is madness.
What was the reason Ajax could do it in the CL under him?
@@smartalec18anonymous Because the CL is a cup competition that lasts only 6-13 games depending on how far you go while the premier League lasts 38 games to play like that over 38 games is not possible
@@sagethinker7168 but it worked against major teams in the CL
@@adamstannard7934 It's a bit of a myth when Ajax played Madrid they should of scored 20 goals over the 2 legs but missed so many easy chances and Ajax bottled a 2 goal lead against spurs before going out.
@@smartalec18anonymous For one season. Roberto di Matteo won CL with Chelsea. Where is he now.
What I can't understand is how the players on the field could not work it out themselves. Lack of leaders.
Spot on analysis as usual Adam. Seeing the same thing every game with complete stubbornness from ETH has been exhausting. I don't see how he can stick to his guns so consistently and see the things everyone can see, without doing or trying anything else. Its baffling, and it will unfortunately lose him his job eventually. I dont want an endless cycle of sacking managers but it isn't working.
Been waiting for this video all weekend! **sips tea** Ah!
One thing that did strike me was the lack of shouting/instructions from the touchline, ETH just stood there with a glaze(r)d look in his eyes.
shouting would just confuse them even more. This team is so fucked.
@@TuNguyen-jp8ys Exactly these guys have failed with multiple managers, they are useless
You toxic fans said the same things for 10 years straight lmao
@@vaughan1379 I am a city fan and even I thought ETH simply gave up at that game. He doesn't belong in such a massive club. He has to go.
@@tonmoybaidya2743 Ah yes just like Fergies first 5 years at UTD where he was so bad and clueless too but he was given time and look what happened.
Don’t know how many times we have to keep saying this but he plays this way because of the centre backs. If we had centre backs who were quicker then he’d play a higher line and the space would be in behind not between the defence and midfield. Imagine playing a high line with Casemiro and maguire at centre back..
More common sense than an entire channel dedicated to football tactics...
England plays a high line too with Maguire.
@@Ardano62England has Kyle walker to cover
This sort of content is what makes TH-cam outstanding.
Absolutely love your work🎉
Ill stand by the fact that Chelsea have been better than United all season. Would genuinly be top 4 with a quality finisher. United have been shit in every game I've watched and STILL have negative goal difference
I was at Sheffield united v Chelsea and Jackson is just awful. There's 10 other strikers in the league who would have scored but he's clearly got no confidence. If Nkunku was fit all season they'd be so much better
It’s crazy to think they actually have a 100m striker they just loaned him out so now they can’t even buy an expensive/world class striker lmao
@@emilevangheem6165lukaku destroyed every bridge possible at chelsea, they cant use him anymore without a weird atmosphere looming over everyone
@@gsampson97 the thing about Jackson is that he can suddenly turn it on and be really good every now and then. Same with Mudryk. A pity the rest of the time they are absolute shite.
@@duyanhng8430 of course but it shows you how bad things are at chelsea
My first time watching. Finally a channel that tells it like it is. Not only Ten Hag but most of the players must be gone as well. Keep up the good work 👍
Ah yes, the Manchester United RW known as "Garncho". Sounds like a pokemon
Don't agree with you in full. The players at his disposal change from week to week (what was our back line at the weekend again?). How can anyone be expected to produce consistent results relying on the players left with some of those players clearly not upto it? Maguire won't defend a high line, he AWLAYS retreats (for example). Can't think how spaces open up when your senior defender (apparently a 1st choice for his national side) doesn't stick to the game plan.
Martinez out, Shaw missing for large chunks, Mount perma-crocked, Martial the same, Malacia unavailable, Varane susceptible, Sancho throws his toys out the pram, Antony not upto it but fit. McTominay offers little with (look up how many passes he makes per game from centre midfield) and without (see Coventry's 2nd) the ball except a late run when Hojlund's taken the defence the other direction. Then the injury carousel featuring the rest of the defence.
Did you miss him instructing Dalot to go forwards and provide an overlap in the first half, just before Dalot ran forwards and provided an overlap and a cross for our first? Dalot then pointed towards ten Hag during/post celebration?
The options out there aren't much better, the fact that another manager is experiencing difficulties 2 years on from joining for the 3rd time should tell us all something. But some think a manager controls the minds of the players on the pitch who shit the bed and disregard instructions. I'd rather we keep ten Hag over keeping a lot of the players. I like he's brought in Garnacho and Mainoo. I expect we'll see another one or maybe two next season come up and get chances.
I would like to see these players move on:
AWB (too prone to errors and not great on the ball)
Malacia (better using his spot for a young player earmarked to replace Shaw)
Maguire (too slow, not great on the ball, poor communication & awareness, high wages)
Varane (injury prone, as good as he is still, high wages, probably off on a free anyway)
Lindelof (not gonna be better than an option off the bench, prone to errors)
Casemiro (form has fallen from a cliff, still looks off the pace, high wages)
McTominay (see 2nd paragraph)
Eriksen (offers so much on the ball, but little off, wants to play frequently and won't get that here)
Antony (high earner, mentality isn't right, ability for the prem/europe isn't there)
Sancho (see Antony)
Martial (already gone)
At this point we might as well do an Everton/Forest and sell them all on for whatever and spend big take the points deductions.
These people make videos for clicks just like how other news websites fabricating ETH sacking news, what more do you expect from a CoNtEnT cReAtOr? that's why they don't apply for a manager's job.
I find it mind bending that these are ETH’s deliberate tactics when it’s been clear all season (from opening game v Wolves) they don’t work. What is going on in his head??
Delusion probably. Saying it himself that as a manager, he's more interested in the results than the reactions or how the game plays out. Completely unsustainable, and his stubborness (as I've personally expected since his first few months in) will be the end of his time at United.
Long term vs short term thinking. This is how he wants to play, but he needs better players. But he doesn't have another season to transition, so he's implementing it now.
Changing the Manager does nothing. It has been this way for years. Let ETH see out his final year on his contract and go from there. The players are to blame as much as the Manager. The whole team needs to be gutted.
His tactics baffle me.
@@ketainooson2884 I agree, but it’s hard to know how much the player influence a breakdown of his tactics.
Closing down your opponents is essential to the high intensity football ETH wants to play. But closing down players for Manchester United seems to be a huge issue. One of the most simple things in football. Rashford being an example
Changing the manager for a new one who provides clarity and excellent advice absolutely can change things around. Mind you, I don't want Utd anywhere near one of them ))
Thank you he should've played Ronaldo and he is not ready for this type of club. Ten Hag is built for Ajax. The biggest problem is he is supposed to implement style regardless of results but then he ends up trying to be a manager who trying to get results. Because of that reason he should be sacked but I am willing to say give him 1 more chance next season. After 2 chances and this continues next season a manager deserves the sack
Those defensive lines got me cracking up every time.....brilliant!!
Last year we had the best defense in the league, you could say we overperformed in most departments. This year we could almost never field our 1st team from last year (at least at the back). Not to mention the reluctance of certain players to put in a shift. The manager was cooking something until he ran out of ingredients and until some of them decided to spontaneously rot prematurely. There's only so many things a manager can fix, think about it, we've been in this position at least two more times under different managers. Not even Mourinho survived it, what makes you think whoever we'll bring in next miraculously fixes everything? Players need to go way before the manager, and history has shown us that.
You say Ten Hag is the problem but also admitting the players are incredibly undisciplined. The back 4 don’t play far enough up the pitch and our best CBs have been injured most the season.
Brilliant analysis again mate! Seeing it put the way you have there's only one option. Laters ETH👋😅
Love this video. So insightful. Can you please do an analysis of what has changed between last year and this year? I don’t understand why it is so s@@t now
Not a United fan but this guy is cherrypicking examples. The fourth example was a backline shape when Coventry were on the counter which throws the bacline shape off completely.
These analyses always revolve around 20-20 hindsight. The fact is players are not good enough, plays get injured / suspended, players tire, players are out of form, players make "mistakes" (I put it in inverted commas as mistakes come in all shapes and sizes with some being more worthy of the description than others). But you do have to also consider coaches over-complicate things and players fail to understand what the coach wants at times.
The biggest problem at united will always be that toxic dressing room where the wrong players are brought to the club and they end up having strops with the manager or go and post crap on social media. The club is rotten throughout. Ten Hag does deserve some blame but then who at the club doesn't?
_How do you put your finger on the shittest part of a turd?_
@@neillynch_ecocidologist I do agree with you Ten Hag also takes the blame but Moyes, Van, Mourinho and Ole all had a stab at it and were kicked out in virtually 2 years. The structure needs to be fixed first off all, then we can sort out the remaining problems 1 at a time. When fergie lost the league to city by goals, all he needed was a goal scorer and he won it back. The team has too many problems all over... from the beginning of the season I knew this season was going to be meh. Ten hag did very well last season but his decision to be a turn over team has really messed up this season, injuries to the defenders is also a big issue which most down play because its united and ten hag but the best defence in the league is Arsenal who have one of the most consistent back fours in the league, most especially centre backs... saliba and gabriel and finally add the toxic dressing room. If I'm ten hag I'd forget about the league and start planing for city because that's all that matters. I think the owners should sort out the structure of the club, the toxic dressing, the players and then come to the manager at the end of next season... by then we will be ready to go on all fronts.
@@mamodeogbewele3376 I've got to say I'm a Liverpool fan - loving every moment of utd's decline whilst more than a little disappointed at my own club's end to the campaign.
I think we agree - mostly - they do need to start weeding out the overpaid problem players and might have to sell at considerable loss. You could of course also do to be rid of the Glazers but don't hold your breath there.
ETH, I repeat, shouldn't be immune to criticism all the same. He needs to pull his socks up but, as you seem to say, if he doesn't get at least another year, things won't be helped by the continued managerial merry-go-round.
I don't know what you mean by 'ready to go on all fronts', I must say, though. I think united are miles from having the consistency to be a real force, with it all coming down to the catalogue of problems we've agreed on.
They might take a cup or even 'flatter-to-deceive' again with an unexpected 2nd place in the title race but I'd say they need to keep things realistic for a decade and just work on getting better by degrees. Focus on quality kids on more modest wages at the outset (saves the club money and takes pressure off the player) and be honest with the fans: The rebuild could take a while.
@@neillynch_ecocidologist yeah that is what I mean by "ready to go on all fronts". Once the issues with the structure of the club in relation to football has been fixed, the players have been sorted then it would be easy to identify which coach would suite the football philosophy that united will take going forward. If done right it may not take so long in my opinion because as we've seen the quality is there but the proper infrastructure, discipline and tactics seem to be missing... but if things are not done well, it may take a long time. As united fan I'm not deceived by some second place or cup whatever... Glazers out is still top on the list but I am aware that ETH has several problems of his own and needs to be more honest in his interviews even though he is trying to save face, the english media is different from that of Holland and wonderfully bias against united because we are the news. And as you enjoy United's current predicament note that Klopp may end his season how ETH began his with united 🙃
This is the first football strategy video i understood to some extent. Thank you.
Do you not think the 60+ injuries matter though? If they had Varane and Martinez then the defence don’t have to play so deep. Glazer’s inability to be smart in the transfer window has hamstrung him.
An example would be them being offered Antony for 40m in June but deciding to wait till the end of august and panic buying him for 90m. How is it possible for any coach to succeed under this incompetence. INEOS are professionals, he deserves some time under them.
He’s been doing everything himself for almost 18 months and already won a trophy as well as getting into his 3rd final. Arteta started with back-to-back 8th place finishes. I think he deserves till Jan under INEOS
You really just congratulated ten Hag for winning the League Cup and compared that favourably against Arteta, who won the FA Cup in his first season.
Great video. Really helpful explanation of Coventry changes & good to point out that players not knowing where they should be is the responsibility of the manager.
I think you’re very unfair to Casemiro and Eriksen at 11.07 in the video though. You say they’re not doing anything but they clearly are, esp. Eriksen. Eriksen has just won the header, goes to chase the ball, sees Dalot going to the ball ahead of him so starts to run to Dalot’s previous man and then when the Coventry player gets around Dalot, he stops where he is to be a block to the player who is now on the ball moving towards goal.
And if Casemiro wasn’t standing where he is, there would just be loads of open space in front of United’s goal.
By the way, you can see in your own video (10.39-10.42) that Eriksen wins the header and starts to chase the ball and in your own video (11.02-11.05) that Eriksen sees Dalot is going to get to the ball ahead of him,moves to cover for Dalot and then stops when the Coventry player gets around Dalot.
I just found it odd that you went so hard in your criticism of those two players for that moment when (a) I think you’re wrong; (b) you’re clear elsewhere in the video that players not knowing where to be in this defensive set-up is the manager’s fault; and (c) these two players are already getting tons of over the top criticism after this match.
Excellent analysis as always. Countdown cutaway 😂😂
Oh also great video as always
It's absolutely pathetic that Viktor Gyökeres, a player that went from COVENTRY to Sporting, is better than the entire Man United roster.
What happened to this club?
There is no 'roster'. There is a squad.
You're in the wrong sport mate.
@@ShredAndPurr That's alright, so is Manchester United.
I very much enjoyed your presentation, to my surprise (don't usually like match analysis).
Class video, as a united fan the football and been difficult to watch to say the least. Would be cool to see what similarities, if any, exist between their current style and the final days of Solskjaer's reign. There's been a lot of chat on whether this is ETH's doing or the consistent thread of the players being absolute rockets.
Spot on Adam. Been saying it for a while. Doesn’t give the players a free pass either but I think Erik has become a larger concern over time
There is a mismatch between what the manager wants and what the available players are capable of
I've been saying it for ages. None of Ten Hag's men really know what they should be doing in the 'system' they are playing. That's partially on the players, but mostly on the manager. It's his job to make sure they have a clear idea of their role and their responsibilities, and if that needs tweaking like stopping players from exploiting space, then the manager needs to effectively communicate that. He's just not a good manager.
Yeah, sack another manager. Repeat it again and again. Sir Alex is considered the best manager in the premier league. We would think Sir Alex had dominated right when he came in, but no, Sir Alex finished 11th twice and was at the brink of getting sacked. They didn't. Look what happened then. I'm not saying never to sack managers, back come on now, if United is that bad, they still have reached 3 finals in 2 years. And have had a trophy. You guys are acting like United have young energetic players who can run on and on. United literally had 8 of their players over 25 playing. How is Erik supposed to do anything else. The team doesn't need coaching to beat Coventry. We had player to player better players. But these players who supposedly have experience don't do anything and stand there. How is any manager supposed to coach a team like this?
You can't compare Fergie's early days. Much different era, much more patient and much less money circulated around Football.
As for this season, so much open space and the players look confused as to who's supposed to deal with what threat.
Good analysis
Scott Mctomminay and Harry Maguire are very much tactically an issue.
If a cdm/cm pushes forward, the RB or LB should fill that space and you shift to a 3 back with two CDMs filling the vertical gaps.
ALWAYS have a solid CM/Def base to strangle your opponents and keep the ball and progress and probe up the pitch to shift the opposition.
5 defenders and 5 attackers with 3 on either side being out and out versions, leaving 4 players to create a strong shape in midfield.
The Brazilian is too slow for any position and Eriksson should never be playing as a defensive cm. Erikson was one of the most influential attacking players in world footy, then he had a heart attack. Not the ideal candidate to add legs to your midfield? The "open" system was great for Ajax when dominating a weak Dutch league . Unfortunately for utd they play in a competitive league.
I was only able to see the highlights so maybe I'm missing something but how the heck was that last goal offsides
Life-long United faithful, you’re 101% spot on! Been talking about this for 14 months. Nobody knows what they’re supposed to do on the pitch. No transfers, no lucky wins, no individual moments of brilliance can change that. Ten Hag is out of his depth and he should walk. The sooner the better. With him, we have become a joke. And his pressers are just unbelievable. After this game he said he must "teach his players" how not to lose 3 goals in 20 minutes in a cup semi. After almost TWO YEARS at the wheel!! EtH OUT!
May I remind you that the same was said with ole, Jose and Ragnick,, it's strange all those manager didn't tell them what to do,,,, united fans are part of the problem, calling for a manager leaving useless players
Thats fine by me,as long as ETH takes half a squad of crap with him including
martial,trashford,antony,ericcson,cass,verane,mcguire,lind,aramabat,sando or whatever his name is and of course mclaren and the sports"phsycologist"
@@jake688 His style of play doesn't work with this team. He wasn't playing this transitional last season and United had more success. He has gone too far too fast with this group of players
For me, the killer is the fact that he can see that however is too stubborn to dial it down and change course. It doesn't matter if his style might work with a perfect group of players, United need a manager who is pragmatic about their ideology.
Life long United fan that wants the club to make the same mistakes over and over, INEOS should not make the same mistake as the Glazers and definitely shouldn’t be listening to you fools and the English media
Can you explain how or why utd were so successful last year? And why the dramatic fall off in performance this year with the same manager
I dont think ETH wouldn't have been telling them to be more structured or compact... I just think there aren't any leaders on the field that call out instructions or manage the game. Like Telling Arron to get back etc. Players being in random position isn't something a coach would be telling them. Its things like McTominay don't doing his defensive work, AWB not being aware or calling for cover when he needs it from Rashy... And Rashy just doing what he wants and no defensive work.
Love the analysis, gamewise it is spot on.
What somewhat isn't said is what did you expect ten hag to do?
You mentioned that they need to control more games, that's exactly why erkisen has been subbed on. (He could have come on 10 min earlier)
Don't you expect the experience of Maguire, Casemiro, Erisksen and Bruno to kill the game at that point.
This video seems to insist that Ten Hag keeps telling his players to play this chaotic way even with a 3-0 lead.
The only reason he would do that is because the players are incapable of doing that even against an 'on paper' easier opponent.
So how can you blame the incapacity/inmaturity of his available players on him?
Football is not played in still images, you point out Casemiro and Eriksen did not pick up men but had they left their positions, the spaces that would have opened up would have been absolutley ridiculous. Whilst Man United are far from perfect, to say they don't know what they are doing is an unfair assessment. As if we did not have control of the game for 70 minutes
Totally agree it’s shocking. I do think players are just not capable of playing the way ETH wants to which means other players are trying to cover the missing ground.
We need quick CB’s to move the back line up. We need a CDM or 2 with legs. Also some players who can keep possession. Then I’ll be judging him and not the players.
How is none of this down to the players? He brought on Antony to get fresh legs on the right side that could track back and press and he added Eriksen to stay back and control the game with smart passes out of the midfield. AWB was gassed and left for dead by Rashford who could never be bothered to do any defensive work and McTominay floated around at the top of the pitch hoping to run onto something from Bruno. Bruno kept trying to find another goal with Hollywood balls and too many touches.
Yet all of that is 100% down to the manager? These are professionals playing at one of the biggest clubs in the world and they need to be coached on how to slow down play and make simple passes? If your backline is getting overrun and you're 3-0 or 3-1 up and you're too tired to get back on defense, drop back and help out instead of standing on their backline hoping to get the fourth goal. You don't need a manager, muchless an elite level manager better than ETH, to tell you that. They're footballers at what is supposed to be the top of their game. If this is the top of their game then I see 8 players on that pitch not fit to wear a United shirt. I think they know better and have the quality and it was a conscious choice to cruise and just hope that the full time whistle blow early. It was laziness mentally and physically and as much as a manager can and should address that after a game, he can't come on and slap McTominay awake or take the ball off of Rashford and Bruno when they both get the ball nicked off them fort he 10,000th time in 60 minutes. Its embarassing for the players but still we blame one guy on the sideline for bringing on 2 internationals to see out the game.
Ridiculous, click baity, muckraking video to name all the faults of those players and then say, but that's all 100% on the manager.
Didnt the same thing happen to Ten Hag when he was Ajax manager and they were 3-0 up against Spurs who then came back and drew the game 3-3, surely that couldnt happen again, could it?
He didn't have the players available that he had last season and that means his team can't keep a 3-0 lead against a championship side. Sure, they were unlucky with AWB's touches twice, but if they had been more compact that wouldn't have happened. You can do that even with Eriksen and Antony as holding midfielders(McTominay could do it last season but now he's a shadow AMC). I wanted to believe in Ten Hag but the lack of tactical directions and adjustments in this game shows that he can only manage when he has the best players available because they manage it for him(Like Varane, Martinez and Shaw).
Okay, let's list the games Ten Hagg's tactics have thrown away this season
Arsenal: 1-0 to 3-1
Tottenham: 1-0 and 2-1 to 2-2
Nottingham 1-1 to 2-1
Fulham: 1-1 to 2-1
Liverpool: 2-1 to 2-2
Wolves 3-1 to 3-3 back to 3-4 because of Mainoo
Galatasaray: 2-0 and 3-1 to 3-3 AND 2-1 to 2-3
Copenhagen: 3-2 to 4-3
Coventry: 3-0 to 3-3
Brentford: 1-0 to 1-1
Every single game listed above had United leading/drawing in the 80+ minute before conceding
City: 1-0 to 3-1
Newport: 2-0 to 2-2 back to 4-2
West Ham: 0-0 to 2-0
These games, we had the advantage at halftime before giving away the lead
The only games we've won late into the game due to these "tactics" are the following (no Wolves does not count):
Nottingham: 2-0 down after 4 minutes to win 3-2
Brentford: 2-1 in the 90+ minute
Villa: 3-2
It doesn't work, and if Ten Hagg can't see that he should be sacked.
If United had seen out HALF of the Premier League games (20 points dropped), we would be level on points with Tottenham and 3 points off of Villa in 4th.
We would have made it through in the UCL or faced Sparta Prague in the Europa League.
If United had seen out every single one of these results (unlikely but this is a hypothetical), we would be on 70 points, Arsenal would be on 71, City would be on 70, and Liverpool would be on 73
6 points off Villa with 2 games in hand**
Ten Hag is the last of United’s problems.
The main issue has been no structure higher up. You know this because not one manager we have had has succeeded. Recruitment is woeful, the medical department is stealing a living, the amount of injuries in key positions has been a massive reason for underperforming this year. Then you get to the players, some of which have downed tools others who are simply not good enough, we have no depth. You can blame ten hag for a few strange squad selections, his persistence on playing Rashford but that comes down to recruitment, we have no one better, amad is unproven and antony only performs in flashes. I will say it again, ten hag is the least of our problems.
Love the Countdown clock soundtrack!
Give him a 10 year contract
😂😂😂
I'm an arsenal fan, they should absolutely keep Erik ten hag, genius.
There were really few options for subs, but still when you consider the left side problem, taking Rash out and sending Garnacho there would probably allow AWB to stay back and would do more than just swapping Garnacho for Anthony. Also why not take off Bruno for Erikssen and send Mctominay up, lowers the quality but actually leaves 2 CM that stay back. Watching them nearly bottle the game was quite entertaining though
McTomminay never knows where to be in his own half when United are in and out of posession. His best attribute is his ability to be a threat in the final third. But that is because he was a youth team striker. The wide attackers always look to shoot, so there is no threat as everyone knows where they are going and what they are going to do.
Shock. Offensive player heat map correlates with space left by opposing team.
Videos like these do numbers with new fans but theres nothing profound to see here.
And no, of course ten Hag isn't a bigger problem than 58 cumalative injuries or 15 years of structural decay by the Glazers.
Man United's defensive and set piece coaches have been stealing a living for years. Lots of injured defenders this year but a team full of internationals should still be able to see out a game when 3-0 up after 70 mins. It's going to be an interesting summer.
Thank you for noticing Cov made substitutions that changed the game
1:23 Good heavens...I haven't seen a subbuteo pitch for 40+ years.
Loved that game as a kid and teen.
Here is the thing he prepared plan then nothing changes at games if we win we win if we lose we lose. He is not proper manager inside games like pep arteta inzagi or ancheloti. And this is from start of the season 2022
Indeed he has no plan B.
It absolutely is the players and injury. Why did no one mention all this last year when he was winning most games and came third in his first PL season?
Last season Casemiro was good and Rashford was getting goals that would make CR7 proud. This season they've both been wank and Lisandro has been injured as well and we've not had a LB all season. I find it extremely unfair to judge ETH this season.
I love seeing Man U continually press with 5-6 players only, with the entire defence way behind them, leaving loads of space for other teams to play through. I'm not sure how long it'll take before it stops being funny. Keep Ten Hag please :)
Not exactly. ETH's not doing great, but much bigger problems are the ownership, lack of any structure and some of these players. I think they all need to go, but if they're about to fire ETH and keep most of the players, it simply wouldn't change anything. Glazers gone would be the perfect start.
To me the biggest crime is there is no learning. This has been happening all season. Every other manager in the league knows that they will have space in front of the defence. Even Burnley go to Man Utd and get 15 shots. It is so obvious and he still does not fix it. How many chances have to be given away to realise there may be a problem to be fixed.
You are absolutely right about the complete lack of control. People talk about Man Utd being inconsistent. But they are very consistent in leaving gaps and not controlling games at all.
And also I don't think that is really eth grand plan fr I think he says it coz it's part of his own rules he implemented, he doesn't bad mouth the club or the players
At this point one has to wonder, has anyone even checked if ETH actually completed his badges 🤷🏽♂️😂
Idk about you but a PL team aiming for European place, who are leading 3 nil at first half should be able to rest Granacho, Mainoo, etc against a championship team. I assure you with slow CBs who can’t play high line and no natural LB the whole season, player like Mctommnay who does nothing but provide areal threat or poaches goal as a “midfielder” and Rashford who didn’t make a single run, fall back to do his defensive duty, no chances created, just tried to run through defenders but ended up bashing into them and losing possession over and over after all the chances he’s been given by the manager. Not even Pep or Klopp can make these players win comfortably.
Great analysis! I completely agree with the conclusion, however I think that he did attempt to control the game by bringing in Eriksen. Not defensive side of the game, but my understanding is that ETH believed that with Eriksen they are going to dominate the ball, which did not happen.
Now question is why it did not happen, and to me the answer is twofold.
First, Eriksen is not concentrated enough, currently just sucks both on the ball and off the ball. Why, would be an interesting question.
Considering how many players have became worse after coming to United, despite managerial changes suggests something about club culture.
Second, poor decision making by offensive players. There was Antony’s unnecessary loss of the ball where he went for glory and achieved nothing. Rashford has been doing that for the whole season. The team is unable to control the game on the ball as well. And I think, that is what ETH wanted and failed. But if experienced players are unable to understand their responsibilities, I cannot reallly comprehend how many things must have gone wrong.
They need two managers, Ten Hag for the attack, and Southgate for the defence 🤪
Love the content mate but the video production quality needs an update…
I don't understand why he took off our one outlet who could cause panic in the Coventry backline (Garnacho) and bring on Anthony who couldn't cause panic by letting off a fire alarm. He's done this in three games recently and everytime he's done it the game has changed for the worse. If you are going to take off Garnacho then bring on Amad, or Pelistri (before he got dumped out on loan) as both can a) run at pace at defenders so keeps them in two minds, and b) use both feet and C) cross a ball, three things Tony cannot do. I just don't get it.
For next season I'd love a manager who doesn't clearly have favourites (yes I'm talking about you Anthony), and puts some faith in the kids, Kobbie, Kambwala, Hannibal, Amad, Garna, Rasmus, Pelistri who show more passion than the likes of Anthony, Rashford and co
Because we were 3-0 up, with about 20mins left against a team from a league below us. Rest him, need him for... midweek, the weekend and the rest of the season. Minimise the risk of injury.
You said Tony can't run?
There's literally zero reasons to watch this FA cup final.
How shit this competition has gotten.
20:20 hindsight and retro analysis is wonderful ;-) IMO the players are not united (literally)....they are, and always have been, a rag-tag collection of 'I love me most' individuals. Glazer prima donna shirt-sellers and social media PR machines. Any 'we are a team' ethic comes second to their 'me, me me culture'.....not all are like that, but many of them are. Ragnick spotted this a long time ago when he called for a need for 'open heart surgery'. These players have done for 5 managers...and you still maintain it is the manager at fault......I don't think so!
Great rundown. So frustrating being a United fan these days. I don't dislike ETH, for what its worth, but I do feel he lacks an alternate plan beyond "this is my way of playing" and because he lacks that plan, this monstrosity is what we're left with. Deep playmaker and a ball-winner as two options for the pivot in midfield, bring in someone like a Todibo or Branthwaite who can actually pass a ball, and finally sign a RW player (Sancho likes left, Antony doesn't possess braincells) and we'll start to click back to looking like a Ten Hag side of old - if he's still here ofc.
Personally I'd give him his final year. One chance to turn it around, no payout when contract ends, and time to allow more managerial candidates to be available. I think he can succeed, but I think he's really missed out by not having INEOS til now and the structure to allow him to spend his time developing his own skillset rather than being a jack of all trades.
Would the situation improve when we have defenders who can defend on the half way line and cover the space in behind? And good on the ball?
You obviously cant do it with Maguire Casemiro Evans Lindelof AWB
Go look at ruud gullit calling TH’s tactics out during the Ajax days and TH would not listen, TH’s teams are easy to counter when they leave so much space
Now the space in the midfield is quite easily why this is happening, mctominay, Fernandez and rashford are not good from a lack of tactical positional discipline. Mctominay’s overall game is lacking, he runs out of position because he wants to bomb up front, he loses the ball allot, when his job is transition the play from the 6 onwards, Fernandez does the same loses the ball and leaves the midfield way to open and there’s no positional discipline from either of them, leaving Mainoo to deal with almost 4 to 5 on 1 counter attack, while rashford doesn’t even counter press when Utd lose the ball in the final third, he jogs and jogs and watches teams start to build up attacks, so when Man Utd get countered rashford doesn’t close down. But mctominay and Fernandez leave the midfield completely open to the counter and Utd are a charity case on giving the ball away over and over and over again.
This video proves these issues, all 3 of mctominay, Fernandez and rashford need replacing which would be a start in helping these issues
Unfortunately we have seen this type of scenario countless of times this season from the beginining of the season in CL games to now, what is a player like Sofyan Amrabat thinking a defencive midfielder sat there whilst ETH is creating is mess at 3-1. There is no way ETH is staying he is too stubborn always poor in-game management; they will not entrust him with another season.
Do not think any manager (willing to come to Old Trafford) will do better.
I slowly realise that Man Utd is becoming a minor version of Chelsea: any player has a good first season (or half a season) and then the form drops. The club has a bad aura.
I'll be here to remind you how you'd swallow those words. It's on the players to wrap their heads around this situation. Maguire being there with an 18 years old or a drunk Casemiro, no amount of coaching is good. It's blatant of you to think you know ball more than ten hag, at least in such obvious situations
I don’t think any other team in the league would swap their manager for Ten Hag. I’m a Newcastle fan so clearly the worse they do the better for the rest of us but Man Utd are a huge club and being their manager should be one of the best jobs you can get and therefore you should be one of the worlds best managers. But he’s so incompetent I don’t think any team in the league would swap their current manager for him. You compare that logic to Klopp or Pep or Arteta or someone like Anchelotti and virtually anyone would want them.
I think says it all.
nobody cares about Newcastle mate. Why are you here commenting on United? Your own staff are quitting just to twerk for United
Yea like anyone would have wanted Arteta during 2020 Arsenal mate stfu
Even Eddie Howe would do better.
Does bro think anyone cares about Newcastle United ?
What you are saying doesn't make any sense. Clubs in the relegation zone would wish EtH were their manager.
Im not really good at tactical analysis but the way he treated players like amad and pellistri really maked me sick and i want him gone now, i wasn't ten hag out but since amad helped him knock out liverpool and still not giving him a chance i became tenhag out
my most said line as a united fan is "why are they THERE"
This man u season has been goals galore
Their GD is has ever-1 and no team conceided so many shots on goal..... please stay ETH!!
I appreciate what youre saying but surely this also simply exposes the depth or therelackof of the united squad?
It's normal to rest your best players, especially when they're teenagers.
Who else could he have brought on for Mainoo? Should he have pushed Casemiro up and plopped Eriksen in defence?
66 injuries this season sums it up tbh - of course these players dont know what they're doing
Adam giving out strong Jon richardson vibes during the countdown thing!
I think the biggest concern a lot of people have, is that if the manager goes again, the same group of players will be given yet another fresh start and a 'chance to prove themselves to the new manager'. And the vast majority of them don't deserve it. Maguire, Lindelof, AWB, McT, Martial, Rashford, Sancho will all get to stay when we all know you will never win the league with them.
The issue with this thought is that the spine of the squad is ten Hag's. The guy has been backed in the market and the output this season has been awful.
I was very frustrated as a cov fan that we started with a back 5 and showed utd so much respect, they've done nothing to deserve it. Also, first half, Bruno was man marking josh Eccles which was an insane to see from my perspective but it really impacted on our capacity to play into our forward players on the ground which is a feature of our play, direct passing on the ground
We all know it is Marcus Rashford but we can't blame just one player on this.
How many coaching changes will it take???
It still baffles me how Liverpool managed to not decimate this team. Its just crazy.
Overthinking they see man utd 2011
Instead of Sheffields utd at old Trafford
Surely good players and good managers change sytems throughout the game depending on score,situation etc but utd dont they just plough on